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and let's talk some true crime [Music] a this past Sunday night 9:00 did you know
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where your kids were in St Joseph Minnesota the wling family thought they did but their 11-year-old son on his way
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back from a nearby convenience store was abducted by a mass gunman for 4 days a massive search has been underway tonight
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our David Lee Miller reports on that terrible crime that has brought Terror to the country's
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Heartland St Jo of Minnesota is the type of town where folks don't bother to lock
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the front door a 2-hour drive north of Minneapolis St Paul here the police chief doesn't even carry a gun but now
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everything is different Sunday night just outside of town 11-year-old Jacob wling was abducted by a masked man with
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a gun it is a crime that will forever change this community and one that has terrorized Jacob parents this shouldn't
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happen anywhere it's the type of it it shouldn't happen anywhere all I could think of is who who would take a child
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away from their parents I I couldn't fathom it it it was total shock total disbelief even uh in talking with the uh
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Sheriff's Department here uh it's it's they seem to be as almost as amazed as amazed as we are we taught him that
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people are good we've worked for peace all our lives and this is a real violent act and I don't understand
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it he's bright he's got a real clever sense of humor and quick mind he's very um he's he plays goalie he's he's cool
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Under Pressure he's all these things give me hope that if there's an opportunity this boy will
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be home is he a survivor he's is a Survivor Jacob's disappearance is especially shocking because he was with
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his 10-year-old brother Trevor and an 11-year-old friend Aaron lson when the abduction took place according to the
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boys they had just leased a videotape from this convenience store and were walking their bicycles down this road
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when suddenly a mass gunman appeared out of nowhere we were coming down this road
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here and we're just talking and everything and then this guy just came out and he had a gun and it and it
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didn't it I thought it was some kid pulling a prank on us or something and then he but it wasn't then he told he
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looked at Trevor and he told Trevor to turn off his flashlight and then he told us he had a gun and he told us to turn
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around and go over into this ditch and put bikes in there and lay down then he came over and he he um asked us all our
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ages and then he he told Trevor to run as fast as he could into the woods or else he'd shot shoot then he looked at
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me and then he grabbed Jacob and he told me to run as fast as I could in the woods where he'd
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shoot what did this man look like well he was wearing he was all in black he had a mask on and you couldn't see his
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face uh-uh he had he had a nylon mask or some kind of mask did Jacob say anything
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to the man uh-uh just just his age when you ran did you look back yeah once we got way down there what did you
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see nothing no he wasn't there anymore here at the county Communication Center authorities have received more than 300
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tips and while so far nothing has panned out they continue to be optimistic Jacob
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will soon return home an awful lot just depends on the type of person that we're
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dealing with that uh that abducted the boy uh some of them keep him around for quite a while some of them don't uh so
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we're hoping that this type of person is going to uh keep Jacob alive and somewhere along the line that he's going
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to get a chance to get to a telephone or get away from him despite a massive effort in the air
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and on the ground police have few Clues and don't even know what type of car Jacob's abductor used to flee the scene
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residents are understandably terrified and say children here in St Joseph have lost a part of their youth I know my
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little boy he's five and he won't go outside just yday didn't want to go out and play and he was up last night and
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it's you know it's scary for the kids anybody really the sheriff's department meanwhile has established this Command
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Center to coordinate assistance from State investigators and the FBI but despite all the Manpower authorities do
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not know why the boy was taken so far there has not been a demand for ransom and the family has never received any
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type of threat Dr wling is a chiropractor in town who in this predominantly white middle class
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Community heads up the local chapter of the NAACP they are kind gentle caring people
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who want nothing more than the return of their son can you think of any reason anyone would want to harm your family or
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your son no nothing I would only say that we really want Jacob back for Jacob's sake for our
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sake and for everyone's sake please give him back to us there are so many people praying that
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if I were God I would bring Jacob home safely very soon tonight the wetterlings are asking
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for your help in locating Jacob in a moment we'll give out a special phone number but first here's the FBI profile
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of Jacob's abductor they believe he's a white male between 25 and 35 years of age and may have attempted a similar but
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unsuccessful abduction in the recent past anyone who may have any information about Jacob's abduction is asked to call
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the sheriff's department Task Force at 612 259 3981 there is a $25,000 reward for information leading
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to his safe return all tips will be kept confidential and you can call collect once again the number 61
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12259 3981 myy I hope this is one story that's going to have a happy [Music] [Music]
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ending back in August we covered the case of Joshua gimond now it's not absolutely necessary to listen to that
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episode before this one but if you haven't already you might want to check that out that's episode number 47 anyway
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The Disappearance of Joshua and The Disappearance of Jacob wling and because of the close proximity to one another
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and some had suspected that maybe the two disappearances were connected so when we covered the Joshua giman case we
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received a lot of requests to cover the Jacob werland case most of the time our cases are mapped out you know well in
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advance so we didn't get to it uh shortly after this there were all kinds of developments in the Jacob case now
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Jacob's case never ever really left the news it is arguably one of the most famous child abduction cases ever so now
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there is this really big case and it's really heating up in the news again so I thought with it being in the news that
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much that everybody would not be interested in us covering it but then in late October we covered the Johnny gosh
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case this is an abduction uh the boy was never seen again young teenage boy that
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was abducted and in this case we made reference to the Jacob wling case and once again we received a lot of feedback
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from the True Crime garage Army again with request for us to cover this case so here we are Captain covering the
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Jacob wling case mhm I'm here too so today's case takes us to St Joseph Minnesota uh and this is back in October
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22nd 1989 which is a Sunday evening Jerry and Patty wling are out at a dinner party about 25 to 30 minute drive
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from their home at home is their 11-year-old son Jacob wling his 10-year-old brother Trevor their
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8-year-old sister Carmen and their friend Aaron lson who is 11 years of age as well this case really takes me back
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though I you know I hate to date myself here Captain but but Jacob is pretty close in age to you and I uh well now
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you're dating me thanks a lot well Captain he was a little older than us but we like Jacob his siblings and
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his friend Aaron were all children of the'80s I I love the'80s I mean I was so young back then that everything seems
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very innocent looking back now but you know remember when your parents would go out and they would leave you home alone
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or even where there is someone there to watch you a babysitter or maybe a relative parents left a phone number
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they would write it down on a piece of pap paper and leave it on the countertop or by the phone and say this is where we
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will be this is the number for the restaurant or this is the phone number for our friend's house yeah if you need
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anything call us at this number you know and then you would also get the list of
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rules read to you you know like uh you are not to leave the house no fighting with your brother or sister no food on
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the nice furniture M don't wear underwear on your head well this is exactly what Jerry and Patty werling did
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before they went out to their dinner party well sure enough the kids come up with a great idea and so they are going
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to call and ask Mom and Dad if they could go out for a bit their friend Aaron is going to stay the night that
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night there was to be no school the next day so they called because they want to
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go to the Tom Thumb store down the street M now for those of you too young to know this back in the day grocery
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stores and convenience stores did the greatest thing some of them would rent movies or even video games and of course
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this portion of the store is always the danger zone for parents because there's no way you're going to walk through that
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that aisle without uh the child begging to take home a movie or a video game yeah I mean this is time before cell
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phones and being able to access anything at your fingertips so Trevor calls the dinner party interrupts the dinner party
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and he asks to speak with his mother and he's going 10-year-old yeah he's going to ask if they can go down to the Tom
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Tom Thumb store to pick up a movie now the mom says no Patty says no it's too late it's it's after dark um this is not
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a trip that you should be making after dark and uh you know Trevor says well let me speak to Dad you know the the old
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uh everybody's done that bit right right and um I think my household dad was always a little easier to get to say yes
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than mom so I can certainly identify with Trevor here he talks to his father and um Jerry agrees to let the boys go
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to the Tom Thumb store uh he seems to be more concerned about it being dark rather than anything nefarious happening
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to them but uh so they they equip themselves with um you know bright clothing and uh a flashlight and they've
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already mapped out the perfect plan they have their sister at home their little sister who does not want to go to the
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store with them and probably you know the older boys don't want the little sister tagging along anyway so they've
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already made arrangements to have their neighbor uh girl her name is relle she's
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14 years old she's going to come over and babysit their little sister Carmen while they will head down to the store
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to retrieve their movie so the three boys set out for the Tom Thumb store two of them on bikes and one on a scooter
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this is just before 900 p.m. so it's dark out and this is a country road so no street lights probably the only
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lights you're going to see would be those from the houses you know the house lights and lights near the Tom Thumb
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store I wonder if the older boys made the little kid do the scooter uh I I think Trevor may have been on the
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scooter yes yeah you know what I mean like it's like low man on the totem pole gets the scooter yeah you're lucky to be
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hanging out with us yeah so uh they go to the store they rent a movie The Naked Gun um and good movie they are returning
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for home and this is right around 9:15 p.m. when they are startled when they see a man this man he is dressed in dark
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clothing and he has some some kind of face mask or or something over his is covering his face and he is armed with a
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handgun and he kind of just pops up and appears out of nowhere they're not really for sure where this man came
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from the man tells the boys to stop he then tells Trevor to turn off the flashlight that he is carrying he has
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the boys push the bikes and the scooter in the roadside ditch he tells them to lie down face down in the ditch he asked
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Trevor his age to which Trevor replies 10 the man then asked ask Aaron his age Aaron says 11 yeah and then he asked
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Jacob his age and Jacob says 11 he tells Trevor to get up and run to the woods but don't look back or he's going to
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shoot yeah then he kind of lifts up each of the two remaining boys heads one at a
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time to get a look at their faces he grabs Aaron's crotch and then tells Aaron to run to the woods and don't look
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back or I'll shoot then the man grabs Jacob by the arm lifting him up a bit and drags him away and yeah and the
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sexual assault onto Aaron was not reported originally yeah and what so now the two the two boys have run to the
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woods and Aaron will eventually catch up to uh the younger boy Trevor MH and by this time the boys are in the woods and
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they look back but they they don't see the man and more importantly to them their brother their friend Jacob is gone
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as well and this is just gone without of Trace they don't see they don't see anything yeah they don't see a vehicle
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by this point the boys are only a couple blocks from their home from the werling
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home as I understand it to be this is a simple trip it's really just like one country road and you know a turn here or
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there uh the werling house down to the Tom Thumb store is pretty much a straight shot so Trevor and Aaron they
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run to the wetterling house once there they tell the babysitter Melle what just happened and she calls her father then
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the the father calls 911 and he even puts Trevor on the phone to tell his account of what had just happened the
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babysitter's father then calls Jerry and Patty wling and tells them that two of the boys came home and Jacob has been
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taken and is still not home and he has notified the police the wetterlings of course leave the dinner party
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immediately now we said that 911 call was placed and the receiving on the receiving end of this call is the steer
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County Sheriff's Department yeah by the babysitter's dad Merl correct and the sheriff's department is on the scene
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within minutes this is all happening very very quickly the report comes in quickly the sheriff's department
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responds very quickly the sheriff's department they arrive and they see the bikes in the ditch and they start
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searching the area for Jacob they search the woods as well and they're sech searching that night and in the early
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morning hours this is like around 3:00 a.m. they decide to call off the search you know they are searching in the dark
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um in in a very dark location and hunting for Clues you know if they can't immediately find the boy at some point
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you wonder how much you're trampling over the crime scene if you're losing any evidence or if you're going to cause
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damage to to any potential evidence so they start searching again around 8:00 a.m. this is a full-on search deal here
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we we have you know a helicopter ATVs blood hounds the dogs track Jacobs sent to a gravel
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road at this same spot there are fresh shoe prints and tire tracks so now we have the possibility of a car used in
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the abduction now we are going to do a drag net here this is when you start checking with anyone you can think of
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that could be involved in a particular crime and interview them to see where they were at the time of the crime was
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off at uh Jacob was abducted we now have two eyewitness accounts we have the 911
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call place we have the cops out there now we have a search going and we also have um the eyewitness accounts and what
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we're looking for in the suspect MH yeah and I mean think about this for a second
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put this in your mind you know there we have these young boys you know 10 11 years old three of them they're out
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together they're having you know a great day in every sense of the word up to this point because you know we we've
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read and heard about what they were doing that day well one it's a Sunday right they don't have school the next
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day right so that's it's a bonus day off uh also you know your parents are going
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away you got your buddies spending in the night so that's a fun thing and then uh and this is not uncommon this is 89
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this is not uncommon to be sent off to a grocery store down the street um or you
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know in my neighborhood we had a a big bear um you know which is a grocery store that was about U less than a mile
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away and your parents might send you off with 20 bucks to go get some snacks and
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then right across uh the street from the Big Bear was a movie rental and so it wasn't that uncommon to uh send your kid
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off even sometimes it would be a Friday night you know the the it was dark but you know uh your parents still seem
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okay especially if you had numbers you know if it wasn't just you if it was if I would have said hey I just want to run
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to Big Bear and get some snacks my parents probably wouldn't let me but if I had a friend spending the night or two
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friends spending the night or have a friend spend the night with with a uh with one of my siblings hanging out
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they're more likely to say go you know go out there and and just be back pretty quickly yeah they and they had a great
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day they so far you know they they had some kind of thing earlier that day they had watched the Minnesota Vikings
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football game pizza for dinner friends staying the night no school the next day then this thing happens is and and why
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is this you know there are other child abductions that happen um this becomes huge news though and I think part of
00:26:49
that is because of the severity and how scary the situation is I mean we're talking about first of all a a stranger
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abducting a child is very rare first of all you know usually when a t a child is
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taken it's by somebody that they know or the family knows so we have a stranger abduction here which is very rare but
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then on top of that like the captain said this is a witnessed abduction which is extremely rare you know this is this
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is not a situation where you have you know little Timmy didn't come home he he went out on his own and he and he didn't
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come home well he's probably lost or uh maybe he he left on his own accord no this is two boys
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saying our brother our our friend was taken by gunpoint you know this this is an immediate danger immediate
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immediately scary and the abduction itself is somewhat sexual nature as well yeah yeah with the with the friend being
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grabbed in the in the genal I mean that's uh I think you know especially in 1989 uh a lot of the reports were hey
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this boy was taken and by the way we have no Ransom note we have nobody calling M and and that it seems to me in
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the 70s and 80s uh the first thought was always why did they take this kid and was it for ransom and now we have the
00:28:14
situation where we do have a sexual assault at the crime scene and so now we're assuming we should assume that
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this is not uh taking a kid hostage for ransom this is this guy is taking the kid for um sexual acts you know and and
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so then what what is going through the parents head at that point well and you think if your kids are good if your kids
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are smart this thing's this kind of thing's not going to happen and as as a child you think you know if you do
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certain things these things are not going to happen we're talking about things like you know tell your parents
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where you are tell your parents what you are doing they did that they they they made the extra effort to reach out to
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their parents and ask for permission to go to the store and they even arranged for a babysitter to come over and watch
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the younger sibling you know that sort of thing's not going to happen and then one thing you touched upon too strength
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and numbers we're always taught strength and numbers you know when you go off to
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a an amusement park or somewhere when you're a child yeah you might get to go off on your own but it's always because
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you have somebody with you right and uh or that your parents just don't care much about you and then they just let
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you off on your own but this was this was three boys leaving together that should have returned together and there
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should be no reason you wouldn't expect a child abduction to be witnessed like this well it's not like Jacob made a
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mistake no not at all it wasn't like it wasn't like they're in the you know Renning a movie and and Jacob just
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happened to strike up a conversation with the wrong guy you know it all three of the boys could have been taken
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captured you know and and and I think it's strange I mean like in the account when he says oh well you know he pulled
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both of of he pulled both of us up and looked at our faces and then it's almost like that the guy
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chose mhm you know and and so and then it's also all by gunpoint yeah and uh and if that and look there's no reason
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for me to believe that the story is not true you know I would say the only thing
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is if he threw in the my only question is one if he threw in the gun but we got the other account from the brother so
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but sometimes it would be like well we couldn't do anything cuz he had a gun MH um but then like maybe also if there's a
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little fudge in the story was he actually mask you know or or does he just feel bad cuz he he can't tell you
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what the guy looks like MH chances are his story is correct in my mind yeah yeah I I would agree so as well um let's
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back up for a second here because something else happened that night that Jacob was taken uh whomever came up upon
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the boys he encountered them on this dark country road but this is is right at the end of a family's driveway U this
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is the rassier family uh but this is a country road so the driveway is about a quarter of a mile long mhm and on
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October 22nd 1989 Dan rassier a grown man in his 30s he's living with his parents and he's home alone his parents
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were away vacationing in Europe sometime after the sheriff's department began their search for Jacob Dan is awakened
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it's about 104 p.m. and his dog is barking as there is some disturbance at the end of the
00:31:31
rassier driveway Dan looks out the window and he sees several flashlights moving about in the darkness near the
00:31:39
family's wood pile and he assumes someone or someone's are trying to steal wood from their property Because he
00:31:46
believes that he's outnumbered Dan calls 911 to report the incident the dispatcher informs Dan that there has
00:31:53
been a kidnapping that was recently reported on that road in which he lives and the lights he is
00:31:59
seeing is that of the sheriff's department searching for the boy Dan then goes to where the sheriff's are and
00:32:06
and has a brief conversation with one of the deputies and tells the deputy that he will go look around the area himself
00:32:13
and attempt to assist in the search MH now let's go to Monday October 23rd we had mentioned that the search picked up
00:32:21
where the sheriff's department had left off the previous night well early that morning uh now this is around 8:00 a.m.
00:32:28
on Monday and the search uh for Jacob continues the search for the abducted boy the search for the abductor this
00:32:36
continues now on this same day Dan rasier first off Dan is a music teacher at one of the local schools Dan is
00:32:44
called out of class and the sheriff's department they search Dan's car and they question him for about 45 minutes
00:32:52
um and this is kind of where this where this ends for Dan on that day now now 6 days later investigators search the
00:32:59
rassier farm Dan takes a lie detector test to which he is never told the results of the test which I don't think
00:33:06
is a strange thing um you know we have seen in some cases that we've covered like the West Memphis 3 where they
00:33:12
immediately tell you oh you failed this thing miserably and that's where they Grill you further my guess is that he
00:33:18
probably passed the lie detector test and that's why they didn't tell him of the results um but he yeah but you're
00:33:24
probably freaking out at this point oh yeah I mean as you're a music teacher so just even being suspect of this crime
00:33:33
could cost you your job cost you your livelihood well and when you're being called out of class you know and you get
00:33:39
there and there's a Sheriff there you probably assume I'm being interviewed because I live right by where this took
00:33:45
place and had I seen anything this is my opportunity to tell them even though I went down there and spoke to a deputy
00:33:51
that night and they didn't seem very interested in talking to me at that point um it could be that the sheriff's
00:33:57
department really expected to find the boy that night is what I think I think they thought maybe they'd find him in
00:34:02
the woods or find him nearby um I don't think this is something that they were familiar with or maybe not even have
00:34:10
having the capability of dealing with it well and then the music teacher probably
00:34:14
freaking out because he's going you know I live with my parents and my parents just happen to be gone the day that this
00:34:19
kid goes missing now my career possibly is in Jeopardy like we said I mean this is 89 it's not like you know I think
00:34:26
people are more uh understanding of that if you knew somebody or you lived in a close proximity you might be pulled in
00:34:33
for questioning it I think that's more likely that people understand that nowadays in 80 ' 89 they're probably
00:34:39
going this guy kills children or abducts children yeah it's pretty but it's pretty obvious to Dan at this point that
00:34:46
he is become part of the investigation whether he likes it or not and he tries to tell the steer County Sheriff's
00:34:54
Department that he is innocent and that he was he was yes he was home alone that
00:34:59
night but he was busy he was sorting through his extremely large record collection uh and he also tells them
00:35:06
that well I wonder if he was doing one of those things have you seen High Fidelity yes where he'd like decide hey
00:35:13
tonight I'm going to reorganize an alphabetical order and then the next day he'd say I'm going to reorganize based
00:35:21
on when I bought the record yeah and I think I think you might be right there because he he says something like he was
00:35:27
filling out uh index cards or something he's making some kind of catalog of his extremely large record collection but
00:35:35
you know he also tells them that he called 911 that night that he had placed a call to 911 that night and that should
00:35:43
prove that he's innocent well that doesn't prove anything well and but see it from Dan's seat here this this is the
00:35:49
way he's thinking uh the investigators tell Dan that the 911 call actually proves the exact opposite stating that
00:35:57
he manufactured the idea that someone was stealing wood from the property as an excuse to call 911 making him look
00:36:04
innocent and that on the call he sounded far too nervous for the real issue to be
00:36:10
theft of firewood well he's a music teacher right so I mean he's he's probably not like a big MMA fighter or
00:36:17
something and he's probably he probably was scared Dan also tells investigators that they should be looking for a
00:36:25
vehicle that he had seen a vehicle turning around in his driveway the evening that Jacob was taken Dan is able
00:36:33
to give a vague a very vague description of the car and because of the distance he did not get a good look at the driver
00:36:43
uh right because his house is so far back from off the road again you know if you're the cops I mean put yourself in
00:36:51
the cops position you know we got this guy that maybe maybe he's a little funny uh um lives with his parents he's older
00:36:58
gentleman in his 30s living with his parents he's a music teacher um not saying that there's anything wrong with
00:37:05
that um but then you make a 911 call saying hey guys somebody was stealing wood possibly yeah I got people on my
00:37:15
property that I don't know who they are with flashlights right and then you're going hey uh well and then there's a
00:37:21
flashlight the kids were holding a flashlight so is he just mixing up events and and but then he's then
00:37:28
telling you heyy you might want to check out this car that I saw well you didn't
00:37:32
mention the car the day before you know because if you went out and he said hey Sheriff by the way uh there was this car
00:37:39
that I saw earlier you didn't bring that up the day before right so I think that's why they started zeroing and more
00:37:45
on him my guess is that he probably was not given any information about the the abduction you know they they didn't say
00:37:52
this is what happened you know and it sounds like they didn't even care to talk to him that night night so I I
00:37:57
don't see him going out of his way to say well by the way I happen to have seen a vehicle turn around in my
00:38:02
driveway now I'm sure that he told him that during the 45 minutes of questioning the right that I mean Monday
00:38:07
that makes logical sense to me and you but I think you got 11-year-old boy that was taken by gunpoint these cops have to
00:38:14
do everything they can to just pick a direction and run in it as fast as you can until you hit a brick wall and then
00:38:22
pick another Direction and then keep running in that direction as well but I also think that at this point Dan is not
00:38:28
an actual suspect you know he's somebody that they're are they're interested in talking to him but I don't believe that
00:38:34
he's any form of a suspect and then he's mentioning this car this and I can't see
00:38:39
the driver uh and here's a description of the vehicle you should be looking for this car because this took place about
00:38:45
the same time as what the kid would have been abducted and you know this to me seems like a good enough lead you know
00:38:54
because the sheriff's department found Jacob S near those fresh tire tracks and they decided it was most likely that J
00:39:02
that Jacob was taken by vehicle which which is extremely plausible because that's how these things happen
00:39:08
especially when you're out on this Dirt country road you know and you know Jacob
00:39:13
should be if he's not there then he he has to have been taken by a vehicle or he would be in one of the yeah well it
00:39:19
seems nearby homes right it seems like you know aniv individual was driving by saw these three boys saw it as an
00:39:28
opportunity or possibly even knew these boys saw them at the video store and then said well I'm going to on their way
00:39:35
back I'm going to grab one of them Parks the vehicle gets out of the vehicle then
00:39:40
walks to wherever they are grabs one of the boys they walk back to the vehicle and then they leave by that vehicle mhm
00:39:47
yeah he ambushes them on their way back he's away from his Vehicles right and if
00:39:51
he's wearing all black and he's has a black you know nylon mask of some nature that they didn't even see him come
00:39:59
creeping up on them and not only you are you exactly right because we know the history of this case but it but think
00:40:06
about this too this is this is a wellth thought out plan this and I I agree with
00:40:12
you I don't know if it's a wellth thought out plan well well here's what I mean by that okay I I understand that
00:40:18
that he probably the as salent probably saw an opportunity and took advantage of
00:40:23
that opportunity however there has been some planning done in this he's he unless he just happens to be wearing
00:40:30
dark clothes that he just happens to have a mask or something to cover his face that he just happens to drive
00:40:36
around with a gun in his car and that he's got the the foresight to to decide you know what I'm going to park my car
00:40:43
elsewhere I'm going to put myself someplace else where I can take one of the boys so that the two that I'm
00:40:50
leaving behind they can't they can't see my vehicle or they don't see my vehicle
00:40:54
right right yeah I mean I think a lot of this I mean I don't like I said I don't
00:40:59
think it's actually planned I think this is just part of the guy's lifestyle this
00:41:03
is what he does he's a he's he abducts children you know and and and he's been setting his life up you know to put
00:41:12
himself in those opportunities and when those opportunities arise well I I got my van or car or whatever I'm driving
00:41:19
and I have all my tools um you know to abduct these kids in that in that van in the coming weeks and months the
00:41:26
sheriff's department and the wetterlings would continue to go to the media asking
00:41:31
for tips and leads or to see if anyone had seen Jacob and the tips I'll I'll put that in quotation marks the tips
00:41:39
pour in uh people say they have seen Jacob um people call about strange Vehicles strange men so the police are
00:41:48
tracking all of these tips they even set up a phone with a recording device on it
00:41:54
at the werling home so that Jerry and Patty could record the phone calls that are coming in and then we have the
00:42:02
psychics Captain uh one of be psychics love missing person's cases I think you and I have not always just WN to be
00:42:10
psychics well some some legitimate psychics yeah if you believe in that thing I I I do I'm not I'm not
00:42:18
discrediting anybody uh by name here or as a whole but what I'm saying is I see a lot of in these cases I see a lot of
00:42:25
wannabe psychics no I understand that but what I I just want to go on record to state that the majority of detectives
00:42:31
I've talked to they use psychics and the majority of the detectives that I have talked to said that after they found the
00:42:39
body or you know one okay the recent one I just we talking drinking coffee I just
00:42:47
said hey have you ever used psychics and yeah yeah and every time I do everybody
00:42:51
in the police department makes fun of me so he went to see one of the psychics she told him all this stuff it none of
00:42:59
it really made sense mhm then they find the girl and after he finds the girl everything that the psychic made sense
00:43:08
everything that she presented made sense after they found the girl and now everybody in that department doesn't
00:43:16
give him [ __ ] anymore because this lady has been right multiple times was was this the skipper that you were talking
00:43:23
to or a different different detective okay because the the fun thing here is I thought was a sheriff it was not a
00:43:28
detective okay I thought you were referring to the skipper at first who who we both know and he's a very
00:43:34
skeptical person he does not I mean is that fair to say he doesn't believe in a whole lot of mysticism or maybe even
00:43:42
spirituality I don't know but uh uh he has told me that that on occasion he's spoken to a psychic which blew my mind
00:43:49
because I thought that he wouldn't take a phone call or put any effort into that
00:43:54
at all but he said from his perspective that he didn't mind talking to psychics because he wanted an outside of the box
00:44:03
kind of opinion or maybe there was something that they hadn't thought of yet a possibility that they hadn't
00:44:08
thought of now in this particular case you know the the detective some of them one in particular said that he did talk
00:44:15
to psychics because he wanted to know how did they come to their conclusion how did they are they are they really
00:44:23
just holding on to information that they know hand rather than something they dreamt or or believe to have happened
00:44:30
they want to know is this person actually coming forth with information because they've actually done something
00:44:34
bad right right and look I I'm not suggesting that people go you know uh speak with a psychic on every little
00:44:42
thing I'm just saying that detectives do use this to you know kind of drum up some different ideas just like we talked
00:44:49
about with the skipper now here's the thing Captain I think you and I have covered enough of these cases to know
00:44:55
that the psychics seem to come out of the woodwork for murder cases but especially for these disappeared or
00:45:02
abducted cases they they really come at and and come at the family and come at law enforcement with ideas and thoughts
00:45:08
and dreams that they have had yeah well and and if you look at that this we talked about the Brian Schaefer case and
00:45:14
when they had the psychic kids do that case one of the things I was freaked out about and now maybe they do maybe they
00:45:20
knew maybe they didn't know but when they said that this guy was in this building and then he left the building
00:45:25
and came back now we know that to be factual later now where those kids fed that information I'm not really for sure
00:45:32
the the host in that particular incident claims that the the children the psychic
00:45:36
kids knew nothing of the actual incident they they were taken to a location and told somebody disappeared from this
00:45:42
location now go right and so if you're going to call a psychic to try to get answers on for your life I'd say don't
00:45:49
do that maybe try a therapist you know maybe have some Mentor or counselor but I I think there's nothing wrong with uh
00:45:57
using psychics in in this capacity but on the other hand there's been so many psychics when especially with these
00:46:04
YouTube videos these guys claiming that oh I know where this missing person is and it's based off of nothing and it's
00:46:10
just it's so they get a bunch of clicks on their YouTube video and those people are pieces of [ __ ] you know yeah well I
00:46:16
I will tell you when the world will end the exact date and why and then when it doesn't happen I'll disappear for a
00:46:22
couple years and give you a new date right just but so in this particular case there were a ton of Psychics that
00:46:30
came out of the woodwork here and presented their thoughts Visions theories and a lot of them were
00:46:36
communicating with the parents with Jerry and Patty wling well and some of that is just wrong too because if if you
00:46:42
are a [ __ ] artist and you know maybe some of these people actually think they have visions you know but I I just think
00:46:50
some of it is wrong to uh you know give the parents false hope exactly I mean I would say reach out to the law
00:46:58
enforcement you know don't bother the family they're going through something here that nobody should have to
00:47:03
experience and getting false hope is really kicking somebody while while they're at their lowest right now we
00:47:10
said that there was a whole bunch of Psychics that that came forward to law enforcement to the wetterlings hold on
00:47:15
we just got off on a crazy tangent sorry about that so about that I'm actually leading somewhere with this I have no
00:47:23
okay so there is one such psychic that came uh came about amongst the Sea of Psychics that presented their theories
00:47:31
their thoughts their Visions uh the the wetterlings had psychics calling the house at all hours some even would go to
00:47:38
the house to meet the parents of Jacob some asking for one of Jacob's toys or an article of clothing to better help
00:47:45
them Channel Jacob or Jacob's Spirit uh but one psychic that does go to the home
00:47:50
of the wetterlings is a man in his early 40s from Wisconsin and his name is is Vernon seats uh Vernon actually visits
00:47:59
Patty wling on two occasions well look when you name your kid Vernon he he's going to grow up to be like a librarian
00:48:06
or he's going to grow up to be a psychic well he he visits P Patty werling on two
00:48:12
occasions and on one of those occasions one of those visits he gives her a painting that he had painted of Jacob um
00:48:21
yeah so unfortunately you and I have heard some of the recorded calls um Captain these are all false leads
00:48:29
that we know of now um some of them calling the wetterlings in the middle of the night and saying some you know
00:48:34
absolutely horrible things telling Jacob's parents that he has been killed and how he's been killed according to
00:48:41
their Visions or he's alive but he's being held captive and he's been raped repeatedly I mean I don't know how a
00:48:48
parent in this type of situation has the strength to go on I guess the hope that
00:48:53
your kid could still be alive and the thought that I better be here doing something and of sound mind so that if
00:48:59
he is still alive I can help somehow some way W what a helpless feeling though I mean it's like you know if if
00:49:05
your kid falls down and then you can clean up the The Brute you know the the cut and you can and you can Comfort them
00:49:14
but your kid's just gone you know and I and I couldn't imagine the the thoughts that were raising through your heads and
00:49:20
then there'd be a part of you that would just want to hit the streets and just start looking and start driving around
00:49:26
and I I think personally for me I'd go crazy it'd be 10 years of me driving around looking for answers I mean I
00:49:33
think it would just be so horrific unfortunately helpless is the word is I think that's how you feel in this
00:49:42
situation you're you're helpless your child if your child is injured you nurse them back to health if if they're ill
00:49:48
you nurse them back to health if they're gone and taken from you you you're you're helpless you there's nothing you
00:49:54
can do uh you feel like there's nothing you can do in the situation well not only the helplessness of the parents but
00:50:02
you know your little brother was with you you know I mean if you're the little brother your older brother of a year or
00:50:09
or more um you know because one was 10 and one was 11 but I mean it could you know it's like he could be a year and a
00:50:18
few months older but it's like so you're your older brother possibly your hero or whatever
00:50:25
he's just been taken from you m and what and then then you witness all that not to mention hey lay down in this ditch
00:50:32
not to mention run to this Woods or I'm going to shoot you you're 10 years old I
00:50:37
mean I couldn't even imagine that or on the other side of things it's your best friend you're spending the night at your
00:50:44
best friend's house and he you like same thing you know and you have to deal with
00:50:49
the whole thing and then you have to deal with this guy grabbing your genitals you got to deal you know this
00:50:54
guy stole P your best friend away and then the the the stuff that he had to be going
00:51:01
through like now we're searching for my friend and I hope he's found but this is
00:51:07
probably all the kids are talking about in the community well and it's survivors
00:51:12
guilt even though you don't know the outcome of your friend or brother being taken you have this survivors guilt and
00:51:17
it's you know all these things are probably going through your head that oh why why was he taking and not me or what
00:51:23
could I have done different at that exact moment to change the the current situation that we're in you know
00:51:32
maybe should I have not run right maybe should I have pushed the issue maybe should I have looked the man in the face
00:51:38
um him off yeah all these things or tried to and like you said it's the it's the brother you know feeling guilty and
00:51:46
it's the the best friend you know well and then you got the parents on the on the idea of the mom said no mhm and then
00:51:55
you know and then Trevor went back to the dad the dad said yes yeah that that absolutely I mean this is a
00:52:01
heartbreaking story anyway but that portion of the story breaks my heart every time because you know when people
00:52:08
when people are in a situation where they can't control anything some people want somebody to blame and um the father
00:52:15
did absolutely nothing wrong here there's no reason why this should have happened at all no um nobody could have
00:52:20
foreseen this happening well and nowadays I mean this just people just don't let their kids do these things but
00:52:26
you know we're also raising a bunch of monsters now I mean like you know that was one of the best parts of my
00:52:32
childhood was running you know run down to the Big Bear and pick up some snacks I'd always get fudge rounds for some
00:52:38
reason cuz I think it was a buck and then need to eat like 20 fudge rounds and drink Coca-Cola but
00:52:45
um you know it's sad that we live in a world that we can't just send you know your 10 11 year-old kid you know a
00:52:54
couple blocks away to to run a movie but but again stranger with child abductions are
00:53:02
extremely rare um this isn't something that's happening you know yeah but right but also you know I I understand what
00:53:10
parents are doing though don't run to the store don't be by yourself don't play outside without anybody watching
00:53:15
because now we're not giving anybody an opportunity unless face it man there's just more sickos today well the you know
00:53:23
this situation it there's nothing that the parents should have done differently there's nothing that they could have
00:53:29
done differently this is not their fault no one they're not at fault here the the
00:53:33
brother's not at fault Jacob's not at fault like I said right what could have what could have Trevor done differently
00:53:38
and you know you pulled Clips to for our trailer at the beginning of the show and
00:53:41
you hear the brother I assume that's Trevor saying that no that's his friend is that Aaron saying that that I thought
00:53:48
this is just some like older kid playing a prank on us or something yeah you know
00:53:52
um the kids didn't even they're too young to even understand understand the situation that they're in well and one
00:53:58
of the things I thought was interesting I was watching this YouTube video and it
00:54:02
was a report from back in '89 and they were walking the same road with Aaron and Trevor and to see the news anchor
00:54:10
right beside them you realize how small these kids are yeah you know what I mean
00:54:15
and that and it's um it's it's sad that we have these monsters out there well let's fast forward a little bit here
00:54:23
Captain because Jacob case it goes cold in a sense uh for some time uh it's still in the news especially locally um
00:54:32
the anniversary you know that that October 22nd date every year brings the reminders to the public locally and
00:54:38
nationally but it won't be until about 2003 when the sheriff's department get the phone call that they have been
00:54:47
waiting on in 2003 a local man contacted the authorities and he's got a story for
00:54:54
them he tells them he was in the area the night that Jacob was abducted the man had been listening to a police
00:55:01
scanner and had heard about the missing boy and he decided to drive to the scene
00:55:07
he told them that he had got close enough with his car you know he's driving in his car he got close enough
00:55:12
that he saw the bikes and the scooter in the ditch he did speak with a deput a deputy that night asking if if the
00:55:22
sheriff's had seen or knew about the bike and the deputy said yes they had now are you hip to these police
00:55:30
scanners um my grandfather had one growing up uh which I always thought was kind of cool that he he listened to it
00:55:37
uh I don't really have any any kind of uh experience with them other than thought about getting one might be kind
00:55:44
of neat chasing ambulances and stuff no just you know just to hear what's going on just listening in you live in a
00:55:51
suburb so I don't it's could be like strange calls um but but Captain this is the phone call that they've been waiting
00:56:00
for because this man and his car could possibly account for the vehicle seen by Dan rassier that night and the and this
00:56:09
could account for the fresh tire tracks near the abduction site as well the man could not be 100 he couldn't 100%
00:56:17
remember the make in the model of the tires that he was driving that night no [ __ ] Sherlock well this is 200 three
00:56:25
well and this is my problem with the whole thing so you come out how many years later 14 years L 14 years later
00:56:33
yeah well you you come out 14 years later and you go hey guys I got a story to tell you really well well let you
00:56:41
want you want a little more background on this yeah I want to know why it took him 14 years why he was like oh I've
00:56:45
been busy could couldn't make a phone call no what happened was he had a lot of laundry to do you know being a 14 14
00:56:52
years older than what he was at the time he was at a party okay he was at like some some work function or something
00:56:59
like that and he was talking to somebody that that is in law enforcement maybe FBI or something I don't know the the
00:57:06
background I think he was a marshall the person he was talking to and he tells somehow the Jacob wling case comes up in
00:57:12
conversation and he says to the Marshall he says those are our people though right I mean think about every time
00:57:18
we're at a bar it's so great when a a true crime thing actually comes up then we don't have to feel like a weirdo uh
00:57:25
he he's in this conversation okay and he says you know I was I lived in the area
00:57:30
and as a matter of fact I I heard the call go out on the police scanner so I drove to the location I actually saw the
00:57:37
the bicycles and I told a deputy that night you know did have you guys do you guys know about these bicycles over here
00:57:45
should do you need any help should I get you the bicycle should uh should I show
00:57:49
you where they are and he said that the deputy told him we are aware of the bicycles know what's going on it' be
00:57:56
best if you just go home right right so he went home and he was never contacted they didn't take his name phone number
00:58:03
anything to contact him in the future they should have exactly and and he says that uh you know I just assume that
00:58:10
everything I knew they knew and so I never Conta that's not a bad assumption and the Marshall says well you know this
00:58:17
this case is ongoing it's a cold case it seems like nothing what you're telling me sounds like not a whole lot of
00:58:24
information here but you should contact the police and talk with them at least tell them what you know and he actually
00:58:30
said you know I I maybe it was because of the uh you know because of how he was greeted with it that night that he felt
00:58:38
uncomfortable calling the uh police department discussing this with them and the Marshall said well I know some guys
00:58:44
over there and let me arrange this for you because the Marshall thought that this was something that the sheriff's
00:58:49
department needed to hear well and I we've all been there we've all done that where we get pulled over by a cop and
00:58:56
their attitude is bad mhm right and and again you know I I I'm all for law enforcement I'm all for law enforcement
00:59:03
doing their job they're great people but let's just remember Serve and Protect that's that's that's what you're signing
00:59:10
up for not to harass not to you know try to teach everybody a lesson not to you know if you were picked on in high
00:59:17
school there should be a rule if you picked on in high school you shouldn't be able to be a cop there should be a
00:59:22
rule about that but uh no it's it's to Serve and Protect and and you don't have to Serve and Protect with a negative
00:59:29
attitude towards people and if this guy you know yeah maybe they thought okay we
00:59:33
got this crime scene and we don't want anybody to mess it up I get that go home please but this guy obviously thought
00:59:41
well for 14 years you know well these guys gave me some attitude and they probably know what I know yeah does
00:59:49
matter or at the very least they don't they don't care you know they the the information I have is not valuable
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to them or their investigation so what am I you know right right um just a nice reminder just be nice to people that
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goes for everybody just try to be kind okay don't don't be don't be walking around like a dick face you know well
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and if if what the captain says should be true if you pick on every kid in your school if you don't grow up to be the
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police officer then nobody is allowed to be a police officer um so again the man the first
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thing that the sheriff's depart they want to know are you know what kind of tires did you have on that vehicle do
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you remember because we have a photograph of the tire track we have tire tracks and if we can track down a
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model that's similar or the same of that tire we can we can conclude that you were the one that left the tire tracks
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here now because the Impressions were were so they they constantly say fresh tire tracks well but what I one thing I
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think that they mean on that is not that they were just recently left there that
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on top of that they probably came from newer tires given the amount of the impression mhm uh because their
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follow-up question when he says I don't remember what kind of tires I was driving on they say well do you remember
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if they were old or new tires and he said I can tell you that I had recently replace the tires on that vehicle okay
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so now they believe that this vehicle this accounts for the vehicle that Dan rassier had seen the one that they were
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kind of looking for you know they were looking even though they had questioned Dan and made him feel like a suspect
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they were still looking for this vehicle now they now they believe they've tracked down this vehicle and this man
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is innocent he's he's not the person that took Jacob so they can account for several things that happened that night
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that they were looking for and since they could clear this man of any wrongdoing this now meant that they
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believed that the abductor had most likely fled on foot with Jacob so this now means that we are going to look for
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not only a suspect that is local but someone that is so local that he would have had the ability to take Jacob into
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the attacker's home into his home and or property and had the ability to conceal
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Jacob so once again the sheriff's department has Dan rassier in their sights Dan lived probably the closest to
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the abduction site than anybody he had no alibi for his whereabouts or uh for what he to for what he was doing prior
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to him talking with the police that night right uh and he he not only you know he was left home alone that night
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and furthermore according to his own story he's roughly a quarter of a mile from the crime scene right so if if the
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suspect left on foot then I mean here's our closest suspect yeah so once again Dan rassier is finding himself in the
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hot seat of this investigation right and I and I get all that but there's another
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part of me that that just goes okay well you found Tire prints and that was not of the suspect's tire Prints but that
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doesn't mean that he he fled on foot mhm you I mean like maybe you just don't have the tire prints maybe the person
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never left the road maybe the person just put on their blinkers walked out grabbed the kid put him in the car and
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took off well there's been a lot of people to throw scrutiny at the sheriff's department because of this
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issue you know because now we've taken Dan rassier and Not only was he once somebody that we were interested in
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talking to regarding this investigation and regarding this crime now he seems to
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be the most likely person now the sheriff's department has made him a let's call a suspect they never call him
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a suspect but they're treating him yeah but he was a suspect they're treating him like a suspect but not only that it
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seems like they've narrowed their Vision to the point where they're they're honing in on Dan rassier completely
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right and what I said in the first place is the cops need to you know pick a path
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pick a direction run as fast as you can until you hit the brick wall so 14 years
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ago they didn't do that they didn't they didn't you know they should have looked
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at Dan from every angle to as much as they could and he's either our guy or he's not a suspect I absolutely agree
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with that stat they should have done that in the beginning the problem is that they didn't now where I don't fault
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them and where I don't think we should have thrown scrutiny at the sheriff's department is because a lot of people
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were saying you know well a new sheriff took over the same time and so the new sheriff says that we're we're going to
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spend a good amount of time on 2003 yeah roughly around that time so the the new
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sheriff kind of you know they've set their sights on the investigation now on Dan rasier but here's here's where I
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think that they're fine to do that because no it's fine because because here's the thing like you said run till
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you hit a brick wall Unfortunately they didn't do things properly in the beginning in my opinion but they've been
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hitting a brick wall for the last 14 years so then what you do is you have you know new sets of eyes these are
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probably you can assume that there's some new investigators on this case by this time you have technology you have
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this person that comes forward that can account for this ghost car that Dan rassier says he saw so now you're
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pouring back over the information and you're going what did we miss what did we get wrong well we thought there was a
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car maybe we've got this whole thing wrong the whole time because there was not a car right maybe this gu been right
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under our THB the entire time and we just didn't even we didn't see him because we assume there was a car now we
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have this new information I don't blame them for for changing gears here and pivoting and focusing on Dan rier
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sometimes you go down that path and you hit a brick wall and then sometimes you get a little more information and you go
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down that path again and when you hit that brick wall it collapses and then you know and that's where your suspect
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is I mean we've see that time and time again but yeah it just seems like they um but you
01:05:55
know small town 1989 seems like they just made a you know some mistakes here and there you know and that's going to
01:06:05
look we're human so we're going to make mistakes you know not every not every podcast that we put out is perfect I
01:06:11
mean most of them are but uh you know especially this one but yeah so I can't blame them too much I mean that I'm sure
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their intentions were to get this writing to get this solved all right so I mean only at 2003 in this case and and
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we know that there's more information that came out in 2016 and a whole bunch of stuff between
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that right right so we got can you stick around for a little bit and we'll just uh knock out another podcast I got an
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hour or so all right so we got a recommended reading for this uh yes I want to recommend this week a HomeTown
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killer um this is a similar story to the one that we're telling today um this is
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about a case that took place in the early 9s 90 s in Springfield Ohio um the author calls it the All-American Town
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much like where Jacob was from uh this is the hometown killer a peaceful community stalked by a remorseless
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Slayer and you can pick that up by going to our website true Crim garage.com click on the recommended page you will
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see Hometown killer as well as all of our other recommended books we will be right back tomorrow in the garage
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reporting more yeah well yes well we're going to do it tonight well we're we're going to record it tonight I'm going to
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