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someone with a 715 area code called 9-1-1 there's no mention of anyone asking for help but according to this
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log dispatch could hear a lot of yelling it's unclear if whoever called hung up or if someone else did but the log says
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quote call number back and was unable to leave a voicemail it goes on to say voicemail indicates
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the phone lists to Denise Jamie kloss's mom dispatch apparently tried Denise's phone several more times but no answer
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they tried to call the landline but the phone was disconnected they also pinged the phone to an address the Kloss family
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home when police arrived at 104 a.m they thought it was a suicide attempt police
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reported a man was down and that there were multiple rounds spent minutes later they said the door had been kicked in
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and that the man who was down had answered the door then at 111 two subjects down and just after three
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o'clock the call changed from attempted suicide to homicide almost an hour later a juvenile we would
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later learn is Jamie Kloss was reported missing [Music] all right Captain well we've done this a
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couple of times where we have a case planned for an upcoming show usually we cover a cold case or sometimes a
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criminal profile but then we have these cases that are all over the news and we get many requests to cover them kind of
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as they are unfolding in front of our eyes hundreds of requests so if you didn't recognize the name Jamie Kloss
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then you've not been paying attention to the news and I can't say that I blame you if you haven't been paying attention
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because I too avoid the news Captain sometimes it leaves me depressed or angry and that's not feelings that I
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love having that's why I avoid you well let's get into this case and you heard the trailer there let's go through
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a general timeline of events and we'll go through this and then we'll kind of get into some certain points in more
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detail so on October 15th at approximately 12 58 a.m Barron County Sheriff's Department receives a 9-1-1 call from
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1268 U.S 8 so that's Highway 8. a residence just outside of Barron the dispatcher was not able to make contact
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with the caller on the line now deputies respond to the home and find two adults
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dead inside a 13 year old girl named Jamie Kloss is presumed missing at this time
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investigators from Barron County the Wisconsin division of criminal investigation the FBI and the national
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Center for missing and exploited children show up to help at the scene Fitzgerald he's the lead [ __ ] lead
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Sheriff there Sheriff Fitzgerald announces that the Kloss home was searched by drone an infrared camera but
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there were no signs of Jaime investigators also go to Jamie's School in Barron to interview teachers and
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classmates for potential information so what I think we can deduce from this here is that after arriving on the scene
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finding two adults dead inside the Kloss family home they're covering their bases
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and making sure that they presume the 13 year old daughter who was thought to have been home with her parents at the
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time of the attack to be missing but they're going to the school and checking the neighborhood to confirm that she's
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not somewhere nearby one this is Sunday night going into Monday morning correct yeah
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so at 3 30 PM a nationwide Amber Alert is sent out for Jamie Kloss she is described as five foot tall a hundred
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pounds with blonde or strawberry blonde hair at 6 PM an updated press release from the sheriff's department identifies
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the deceased as Jaime's parents which is 56 year old James Kloss and 46 year old
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Denise Kloss now the next day on the 16th of this month at 11 A.M law enforcement hold a
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press conference stating tips have continued to come in and investigators have continued to
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investigate however there are currently no suspects residents of Barron and neighboring communities were asked at
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this time to be on the lookout and think about if anyone they know has been acting in a different manner missing
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work or school missing appointments changing behaviors or wanting to skip town and if so they are to notify the
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Sheriff's Office Sheriff Fitzgerald explains the 9-1 call 9-1-1 call Monday morning
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saying it was made from a cell phone now at that time he said his dispatchers weren't able to make contact with anyone
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on the line but it was apparent that a disturbance was going on the FBI is and continues to monitor Jamie's social
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media accounts for any possible leads and investigators have returned to the home several times to take a second look
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at the crime scene to make sure nothing was missed then we have this interesting thing here
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captain on that same day we have a possible sighting in Florida the Miami Police
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Department announced receiving a tip that an individual who gave the tip believes that they saw Jamie Kloss at a
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gas station Monday afternoon riding in the back of a black Ford Explorer with what with a Wisconsin license plate of
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160-w-e-r this was in the area of Northwest 27th Avenue and 11th Street and here's a news clip witness claims to
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have seen Jamie Kloss inside this black SUV yesterday afternoon at a Miami Gas Station 1700 miles away from Jamie's
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last confirmed sighting Sunday afternoon in her hometown of Barron Wisconsin you
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can briefly see a teenage girl sitting in the front passenger seat as a driver pulled up to a gas pump she doesn't
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appear to be restrained at the time moments before a man got out of that same vehicle and walked up to another
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SUV in a truck to talk with others Miami Police shared the update last night via
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social media we are actively researching that tip but what I'm telling you is I'm
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the face of information you can sense frustration from Barron County Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald today that the claim
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got out before confirming it was actually Jaime every tip continues to be followed up on and if it's something
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that we need to get out to you we will get that information it will come directly from me and what I like about
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what he's saying there is okay we have this report that comes out early we don't know if it's her we haven't
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confirmed it but hey anything that's important is going to come out of my mouth at these press conferences yeah
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that's uh the head guy in charge Sheriff Fitzgerald of Barron County Wisconsin they're talking at the end and like you
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said Captain I think that's very smart because he's seeing very early on look first of all description of the area
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this is not you know Murder is not a common situation and then on top of that we have two people killed and a
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kidnapping that take place right all impossible kidnapping yes so now we have the sheriff who's recognizing that guess
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what information may be coming out from all different angles from all over the place including Florida right where he
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sees that and it's going to be social media it could be newspapers it could be TV but what he's stating is if something
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real happens you will hear it from me right I might not be the first to report it but I'm
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going to confirm or or um clear up the situation before you hear it from me and what's great about
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what they're doing already is their involvement with the FBI yes and so FBI is um kidnapping is in
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FBI crime as well as taking somebody past state lines so what I like here is that we have them working together and
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working from from my perspective working well together because the sheriff's department have several problems one
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they have a double homicide to investigate they currently have no suspects in that double homicide or the
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believed kidnapping of this 13 year old girl right they have a lot going on right in their own backyard going to
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Florida and investigating this eyewitness claim of seeing Jamie Kloss with two men
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is something they're not going to have the manpower to work therefore the FBI gets this tip and the FBI is the one
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that's going to look into this and you hear the newscaster who's describing what is seen and what is shown on
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surveillance footage that was taken at that gas station this is pretty clear surveillance footage what they didn't
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say was that police were told by the possible eyewitness that two well-dressed men with beards were inside
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this vehicle and that these men were reportedly in their 30s and between five foot seven and five foot nine and 200 to
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250 pounds now it was later that same day that sheriff Fitzgerald says that that the tip that they received from the
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Miami Police Department has been investigated and ruled to be quote not credible right he also said that the FBI
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was the team that looked into the video and investigated now this caused me some concern early on
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Captain because my first thought was we have a license plate number and this license plate number was given by the
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eyewitness and it usually we don't have that we get a description of a vehicle right and this one we get a
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160-w-e-r so my first thought was if they quickly again I don't think there's a dash in there so 160 w e r right okay
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so if if you look into this my first thought is if they're saying so quickly that
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it's not a credible uh sighting then there must be something very quick that they were able to dismiss this and
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maybe they talked to the owner and that's why they're so confident in this dismissal of this sighting yes and my
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first thought Captain was either that plate number does not exist or maybe that plate number is on a different
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vehicle than what is described by the possible eyewitness I did do a little checking and that plate number does line
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up with a Ford Explorer a black 2017 Ford Explorer and we won't go into that any more than we need to
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like you said they may have spoke to the owner of this vehicle the the big question that this raised though too was
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that her being cited in Florida the thought was maybe this has to do with sex trafficking there's thousands and
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thousands of girls missing and their parents aren't dead their parents weren't shot to death in their homes
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well what we have here too is the sheriff coming out at the same time saying that hey we don't think that that
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was a credible sighting number one but number two says that there's no clear-cut information that proves that
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the case has anything to do with sex trafficking and Fitzgerald also said that there was no information yet now
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mind you this is the day after yet that can clearly show that this is an abduction however he continued to
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reiterate that Jamie is missing and in danger well and they have not released the 9-1-1 call that came from Jaime's
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mother or came from Jamie's mother's phone they haven't released that on what the speculation is they do believe that
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Jamie was home at the time that the the shootings took place the murders took place all we can speculate is that they
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hear something on that call for them to believe that I mean and all the reporting right now is we believe she
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was there yeah so let's get let's go ahead and get into that we'll we'll Veer away from the timeline for just a second
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but that's an interesting thing because there is the police constantly saying that we have reason to believe that
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Jamie was home at the time of the attack now we did have a neighbor that came out
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and said that the police or the sheriff's department may have accidentally leaked some information to
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her during the course of their questioning because she states that she was told by the sheriff's department or
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whoever she spoke with that they believed Jaime was heard in the background uh either screaming or
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yelling for help right and like we said there was nothing but commotion going on
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during that 9-1-1 call but that's what the neighbor is stating that that might be their evidence or their reason to
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believe that Jaime was home at the time of the attack on October 17th Sheriff Fitzgerald said
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autopsies conducted on James and Denise Kloss on their bodies determined that they died from gunshot wounds their
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deaths were of course ruled as homicides officials believed Jaime was still at home as we said at the time of the
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homicides on the 18th a search party is in action and Jamie Kloss is added to the FBI's top missing persons list
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I'm joined this afternoon by local state the federal Partners along with our school district special agent in charge
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FBI special agent in charge Dustin talamayo Brian O'Keefe the administrator of the Wisconsin Department of
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Investigations and Diane Trembley our superintendent of the Barron Area School District
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want to encourage people to continue to use their tip line as of 3 pm today we've received over 200 tips
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again that tip line number is eight five one eight one eight five five seven four
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four three eight seven nine we will continue to provide incredible information from this Podium through
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press briefings in our Facebook page there has been tips and information that are being released that does not come
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from this Podium that is not credible information the FBI is here to support the investigation and the community in
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the safe return of Jamie we are providing a number of resources investigative technical tactical and
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intelligence as well as agents from our child abduction rapid deployment team the FBI along with our law enforcement
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partners is committed to finding Jamie quickly and ask for the Public's help in making
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that happen on Monday October 22nd at 4 pm the sheriff's department holds another press
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conference releasing multiple vehicles of Interest Sheriff Fitzgerald shows three images of two vehicles of interest
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that were in the area of the Kloss home at the time of the incident one of the vehicles was reported as either a 2004
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to 2010 black Acura MDX or a 2006 to 2010 black Ford Edge the other vehicle was reported as a 2008 to 2014 red or
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orange in color Dodge Challenger Fitzgerald asks if anyone has seen these vehicles to report them to the tip line
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the tip line number which is in today's show notes is 1-855-744-3879 and we will repeat that
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at the end of the show you don't want to say it like the sheriff said it well I think so once seven four seven five yeah
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Fitzgerald unfortunately he he makes the number a little confusing in that press
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conference or the press release says he's sometimes people just they they are troubled if they should put the one
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before it or go straight into the area code I always go one right and then area code so these vehicles what's
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interesting here Captain is one we should point out that the black Ford Edge is not the same vehicle that we
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discussed earlier the the Ford Explorer that was cited they're very similar though yeah they are similar so I would
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describe a black Acura MDX or black Ford Edge as a small uh kind of a compact SUV
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sporty SUV sporty SUV that's a good good uh answer and then we have the Dodge Challenger which is very much uh an
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American muscle car yeah baby now the reason for giving the range in years is because they're talking about a specific
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body style so I would imagine with those three to different models of vehicle that they're stating we can't say if
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this is a 2004 five six seven eight or nine or ten but the body style of the Acura MDX for those years would fit what
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we saw on camera right so and what do we mean what we saw on camera well we got to keep in mind here they are saying
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that these vehicles were spotted in the area of the class home at the time of the incident this is not like they're
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not saying these vehicles were in the driveway of the cloth family home unlike we saw with the Molly Tibbetts case a
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small community comes together and you have a lot of people that might own a pizza shop or might own a gas station
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and they're going to turn over their surveillance to the cops in this case and obviously they don't have license
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plates for either of these vehicles but it's probably too far away too far away and what we're also seeing here is
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they're not perfectly certain of the color of the Dodge Challenger you know so this would have been at night time
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under the cover of dark and this vehicle would have appeared to be red or maybe even orange at times
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I saw one newspaper article that stated that their Sheriff's Department was a bit divided when seeing the footage of
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these vehicles where about half of them swore that it was orange and the other half say no that's a red Dodge
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Challenger well you gotta watch out for those cops that are colorblind well yeah
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yeah um but just to be perfectly clear those are three images three descriptions of
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vehicles but there are only two vehicles that were cited so the black Acura MDX and the black Ford Edge are very similar
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looking Vehicles the next thing that we really need to dive into is this dispatcher call log there's a lot of
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discrepancies where the police say well they show up and it's a suicide but then
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they think it's a homicide so there's a lot of discrepancies there let's get into that right after this quick beer
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break [Music] Stacy and John Edward Downing says he prays multiple times a day hoping that
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Jamie Claus is safe he says all the family can hope for right now is that whoever has her releases her unharmed
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Edward Downing says he's lived in Manitowoc for around 40 years and he says the last time the family saw the
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Claus family was around three months ago for a family wedding and when she disappeared Downing says he didn't want
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to believe it at first it's been over 48 hours since Kloss went missing and he describes Jaime as a shy but kind person
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who has friends with everyone she Mets and every time he would see her she'd always have a big smile on her face
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very good in school lots of friends in school the kind of person you really like to
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know because every time you've seen her she had a big smile for you and uh you know she'd come up and talk and
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same with her mom it was it was just a very good family very good family [Music]
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Captain it was early last week I actually believe it was on October 23rd that the 9-1-1 dispatch call log was
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released by The Barron County Sheriff's department now the 911 call came in the dispatcher heard a disturbance and a lot
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of yelling in the background according to Sheriff Chris Fitzgerald nobody spoke directly to the dispatcher the log shows
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the 9-1-1 call was made from Denise kloss's cell phone when the call was dropped or when it
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ended the dispatcher called the number back and was unable to leave a voicemail the phone pinged to the class address
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and three police cars were sent to the address the dispatcher tried calling the cell phone several more times but did
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not receive an answer an attempted call to the landline at the residence was made but the phone was disconnected from
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the time they got the call to the time that they arrived at the scene do we know how long that was well actually in
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full disclosure here Captain that's been reported several different times right okay so I've seen it reported as early
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as the 911 call came in at 12 53 and as late as 1am and then I have them arriving on the scene as early as 12 58
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and as late as 104 a.m so this is roughly four to ten minute response time right not bad okay so it
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according to the call log at 103 a.m they were advised of a possible suicide attempt requested EMS at that time at
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104 a.m advise one mail down multiple rounds spent at 105 a.m advised the door had been
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kicked in advised that the male who is down had answered the door unknown if anyone is missing 107 advised they would
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be clearing the house all right so let's just kind of unpack that real quick here and a lot of this
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is going to be uh police jargon this is going to be the way that the dispatcher and the police and the sheriff are used
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to communicating with each other uh to get to get proper information as quickly as possible well I have faith that the
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colonel can unpack that jargon for us well the first thing I want to point out here which is a little confusing because
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at 103 they're saying they're advising the dispatcher of a possible suicide attempt they need to request EMS so
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they're calling for medical services Emergency Medical Services to arrive on the scene right obviously they believe
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they have someone that is injured dead or in the process of dying um the problem here is they believe it's
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a suicide attempt my guess I'm going to have to just to kind of guess here captain
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they would find James Kloss basically right in front of the front door uh on the inside of the home right
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I wonder if there was a window there that maybe they were able to see into the home and could see that there was a
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male down right in front of the door thinking maybe it was a possible suicide attempt because when they're arriving on
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the scene they're probably not hearing anything they're not seeing any side anything inside moving inside of the
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home all they can see before they've entered the home is that they have a man down near the front door then they we
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know that they enter the home and this is when they state that they're advising the dispatcher that the door has been
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kicked in and also advising that they believe that the male who is down uh had answered the door or was near the
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door and they also State it's unknown at this time if anyone is missing and that
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they advised that they would be clearing the house so what does that mean they've
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not fully entered the home at this point they've not gone into every room but what they have is they now have the door
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open they can see that multiple bullets were fired and that this man is dead in front of the door they're probably
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shouting in Sheriff's Department sheriff's department and they're getting no response from anybody inside of the
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home what we need to think about here is because a lot of times us as armchair detectives will sit back and look at a
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crime scene or look at a cold case and go how the hell did the police not solve that how the hell did the sheriff's
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department screw this up right look at the call log they're on the scene at 103. they're advising by 107 that
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they're going to be clearing the house meaning they're going in guns drawn and they're going to enter every room of
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this house four minutes after arriving on the scene they've found a dead person door kicked in multiple rounds spent
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they don't know if anybody's missing or if anybody else inside of the home is dead or that the Killer is inside the
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home try to process that in your mind for a second that a lot of times sheriff and police are arriving on a scene and
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they don't know what they're walking into yeah the way this house is laid out it's it's a ranch
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but the garage is like you go around like a hill it's inside it's like in the basement but you can drive it might be a
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split level home it looks to me like the yard would be quite dark at night as well like it doesn't look to be a a
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bright spot on the road let's say it's kind of tucked away back there well we do know that the neighbors heard some
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gunshots but it's such a rural area that people are hunting that people are shooting guns all the time so they
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didn't even they thought that it was a possible uh homeowner shooting at a bear was what their statement was right I
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mean well and my point though is you know when you live in an area like that you hear gunshots and you automatically
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don't assume the worse right well at 108 a.m they advised that two subjects are down and unresponsive at 119 requested
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to have a search team ready to go advise two subjects down no gun located at this time
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so I think that's where we're going to see a shift in the thought of what they believe may have happened at the home
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because if this was a suicide or a murder suicide you would expect to find the gun on one of these people or at
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least the very least somewhere in the home at 138 they requested photos of the property and shortly after they
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requested a pull Cam and a drone to help them get some different visuals of the house and property here's a really weird
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thing on the call log and I'm not certain exactly what this means Captain but at 2 am car number
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325 which is one of the vehicles on the scene advised the dispatcher that Cheyenne
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person's name Cheyenne and jlr were asked to leave as they were driving by multiple times
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neighbors could be neighbors I looked through the newspaper articles to try to see if there was any mention of a
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Cheyenne or jlr if anybody out there comes across that name or initials email the show put it on the blog let us know
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who they are but whoever these people were they were driving past the scene multiple times and asked to leave again
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I would I'd chalk it up to nosy neighbors at 2 36 um the type of call changed this is when
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it switched from suicidal person slash attempted suicide to a homicide and then about an hour later they entered Jamie
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Kloss as a missing juvenile at 402 they sent a TTY to Eau Claire County requesting their assistance with 9-1-1
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call clean so Captain you know what this means there they have the audio from the 9-1-1
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call and they're looking for somebody to try to clean it up and decipher what is
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being said on that call right which that's why I was looking to see if it was released yet so maybe we could do
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that ourselves the following be on a lookout for call goes out attention dispatch reference missing endangered
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juvenile abducted by stranger subject name Kloss Jamie L sex female Race White date of birth July 13 2005 height five
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foot weight 100 pounds eye color green hair color blonde or strawberry date of last contact 10 15 2018 and they do stay
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in this be on the lookout that the they believe the subject was abducted from her home in Barron Wisconsin
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uh and she is considered endangered due to the unknown status of the suspect and states that they were unable to
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issue an amber alert at that time for some reason uh that Amber Alert would go out the the that day but it would be 3
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20 p.m so fairly quickly they get an Amber out Amber Alert out looking for the missing child and they are
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canvassing the local area to interview residents and the neighbor Neighbors in the neighborhood one neighbor told
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police that they were called hearing two distinct gunshots ring out around 11 53
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p.m on the night of the crime and that's about an hour earlier would be made sorry yeah roughly an hour earlier so I
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question I questioned that time or if that was a misprint in the article that I read but regardless like you said
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there is a neighbor telling police and Sheriff that they recall hearing two distinctive gunshots but if that is true
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then these perpetrators could have spent quite a while in the house they could have the thing here though is
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I'm assuming by what's going on here the if Denise we know the call came from Denise Claus's cell phone right if she
00:33:19
was the one in fact making that call I don't know how long it would have taken to
00:33:24
a shooter I'm sorry there's no nice way of saying this so there was some more information that came out and that was
00:33:34
all stuff that we can kind of deduce from that call but the Simplicity of it is that the door to the home was kicked
00:33:40
in and there's visible bullet holes that were evident to the police responding and once inside they discovered the body
00:33:46
of 56 year old James Kloss and it appeared to them this is their words as though he was fatally shot while
00:33:54
answering the door or possible knock at the door 46 year old Denise Kloss was found dead in the bathroom
00:34:01
it sounds to me like this bathroom I haven't seen a layout of the home but it sounds like this bathroom is down a
00:34:08
hallway somewhere near that entrance to the home right um and it sounds like she may have
00:34:14
barricaded herself inside of this bathroom an attempt to hide from the attacker at
00:34:21
least while she can make the 9-1-1 call she could have been also told by her husband hey people are trying to get in
00:34:27
the house hide right now the family dog was left unharmed um and the firearm used to kill James
00:34:35
and Denise was not recovered from the scene all right so whatever gun they used and
00:34:41
we're assuming at this point based off the what we're being told is one gun correct not multiple guns and now we
00:34:50
have a dog do we know what kind of dog I don't I don't believe that they've outwardly stated that it was one gun
00:34:57
that killed both individuals right but like you said it said they say the gun right that killed these two has not been
00:35:04
located um I do think it's pretty general knowledge what type of dog this was but I didn't
00:35:12
include it in my notes I know that it's been reported I just wanted to see if it
00:35:16
was a dog that somebody could easily take control of or if it would be a dog that would put up more of a fight or
00:35:23
where the location of the dog was right because you know some people put their dogs up at night this is fairly late you
00:35:30
would think that maybe these two were getting ready to go to bed at some point or were already in bed right maybe
00:35:36
they've put their dog up for the night and you know the attacker or attackers never even saw the dog but heard the
00:35:42
Barking coming from you know closed doors and again it's confusing because we don't know the layout of the house
00:35:47
just the way I look at the house um let me pull that up so you can see that real quick yes and I will put this
00:35:55
on um all the social media and and the website as well alright so when I look at this house oh yeah you're right to me
00:36:04
it looks like a ranch and then it's where the the basement is a walkout but also you would park instead of it being
00:36:11
a full basement have that basement would be dedicated to a two-car garage I see what you're saying it definitely looks
00:36:18
more Ranch on top of a basement than what I said earlier about it being split level
00:36:23
so should we get into some of the theories here Captain let's do it well a popular Theory early on and may still be
00:36:32
to this day depending on who you talk to is that Jamie had a boyfriend and was somehow involved with someone who killed
00:36:40
her parents and convinced her to run away with them now obviously friends and family refuse to entertain the idea and
00:36:48
although nothing can be ruled out at this point in time police do believe that Jamie is not a suspect they have
00:36:56
publicly stated that she is not a suspect and that she was taken against her will well even though this seems
00:37:03
like maybe a unlikely a scenario her being also 13 we have seen cases like this in the past yeah we
00:37:13
we certainly have there's been situations where a boyfriend will kill parents or some type of Guardian of a
00:37:20
girl or the girls involved in it as well and then they run off together to another state
00:37:27
um continuing on I don't know I don't know how I feel about that Captain like that that theory
00:37:35
um I will state this when the news first broke within the first few days I hadn't seen anybody state that
00:37:42
publicly that Jamie could have been involved in there was that little True Crime guy in me that was saying hey
00:37:50
man I've read cases like this before and I it's possible right it's possible um and then that sighting in Florida I
00:37:58
was glad that they discredited that that Florida sighting for several reasons one
00:38:02
it looked like one of two things to me either she was involved in some manner because remember they state that the
00:38:11
girl seen in that black SUV doesn't appear to be restrained in any manner so either she was involved or the her
00:38:18
captors had control of her in a sense that they weren't worried about her running off and maybe this next Theory
00:38:26
which has been a very popular one as well maybe because of the location that it hinted towards something like this that
00:38:33
and this is one we've already kind of discussed that Jamie is still alive but she's in the hands of sex traffickers
00:38:39
right which still odd to me and and just when you factor in this possibility that
00:38:47
the father was opening up the door and possibly telling his wife hide or the wife knew to hide
00:38:54
what were they afraid of what were they involved in who did they know that they would be fearful for their life
00:39:03
um and and then then the question becomes okay why did you murder these individuals and then why did you take
00:39:10
their daughter I will say this and I understand that um look I'm not I'm not going to pretend
00:39:16
that I'm an expert in sex trafficking or understanding those types of crimes that's not what the FBI thinks but what
00:39:23
I will state is this that the the times that I have looked into similar crimes if this was a sex trafficking crime
00:39:31
it seems to me like they fit a very similar Mo in a sense that they usually will wait for the Target to be alone
00:39:39
right and they're abducted usually off the streets or in a public place or maybe from their own home but at a time
00:39:46
where nobody else is home this seems very different to me in a sense that it feels to me like whoever went to that
00:39:54
house that night expected somebody to be there right and may have expected more than just even if they were thinking
00:40:01
Jamie was there and wanted to take her for any number of reasons almost like they were expecting that the
00:40:06
parents would be there right they obviously were expecting to be met with some kind of aggression and some kind of
00:40:13
uh pushback in defense because they were armed right and that's why I believe the
00:40:19
murderer knew them well um maybe didn't know that Jamie was going to be there and and so
00:40:28
maybe you have a feud with the mother and father you want them dead but then Jamie sees you
00:40:36
right and then you have to take her but maybe you don't want to kill her so that could be a possibility as well
00:40:43
well and that's that's really the core of this case isn't it that we have a situation where the parents are killed
00:40:50
Jamie is assumed to have been taken and Alive yeah you would think these two individuals are killed in Cold
00:41:00
Blood like this person not kicked in the door which I actually talked to a retired police officer about this case
00:41:11
a little bit this week and I was really surprised for them to say yeah it's not that hard to kick in the door no it's
00:41:18
not it's it's disturbingly easy and that's why you see that you know most of the objects that are going to prevent
00:41:25
people from pushing in your door they're all on the same spot of the door frame you know they're all right around the
00:41:32
doorknob itself and if you can get a good amount of pressure right there in that point you can probably you'll you
00:41:39
don't have to break down the whole door you only have to break down that little uh six inch to one foot range of the
00:41:45
door itself right and that's why you know it's nice to have deadbolts that are up higher on your door as well as
00:41:51
there's uh you have the ceiling one and the floor one I have the little floor boot thing whatever you want to call
00:41:58
that um and those things are pretty pretty solid man um but the thing to to me at the core of
00:42:07
this case is Jamie is kept alive Jamie is alive at the end of that attack but the parents are not well this is what
00:42:15
they believe right and for me there's a reason behind that now it could be any number of reasons there could be many
00:42:23
bad reasons why she was taken and kept alive or there could be less bad reasons and what I mean by that
00:42:30
is like something you hinted on earlier just saying that maybe they didn't intend for her to be there right and for
00:42:37
some reason this is a person or persons that didn't intend to kill a child let's
00:42:42
keep in mind she's 13 she's a child yeah and we don't know much about their history or background as of yet because
00:42:49
this is all you know relatively new but we also do know that they were at a family function before and and how many
00:42:56
of us have been at family functions that turn out to create some kind of argument
00:43:01
so I'm sure that's something that law enforcement and the FBI is looking into you gotta wonder how strong are they
00:43:09
looking at their place of employment because we have a weird situation here too where the two of them worked at the
00:43:16
same space you know same location they both worked for that Jenny O's turkey uh company right and then so if there was
00:43:25
some kind of fight at work or some kind of argument at work did that carry over and and and
00:43:32
that's why they were murdered again it's also a weird time and we've got Sunday going into Monday to me that's just kind
00:43:40
of an odd time but again they're coming from a family function was there something more uh heated that was
00:43:48
involved there could somebody have been waiting and watching the house or are they striking at a point in time
00:43:56
where they fully believe and expect the you know James and Denise to be home because but in that scenario too that
00:44:04
you ex you would expect that Jamie would be home her parents are home she has to go to
00:44:10
school the next day you'd assume that the perpetrator would know that this 13 year old girl is going to be home would
00:44:18
you think that that we're really kind of looking at two scenarios I know there's a whole lot of
00:44:23
possibilities and theories to go over but really do you think this boils down to two scenarios one where either
00:44:30
Jamie might have been the Target or or or part of the reason for the way that this went down or two that Jamie was
00:44:40
unexpected that either Jamie was not known about to the offender or or they didn't expect her to be there for some
00:44:48
reason like you said that that is a good possibility where they assume that um the mother and father are home but
00:44:55
they don't even know about Jamie that would be uh that's something I actually haven't really thought of so I think
00:45:01
that's a good point that law enforcement is going to have to look at as well I did read an article that states that
00:45:08
there are 32 registered sex offenders within just three miles of this home now that's kind of a weird statement because
00:45:16
you could take that any number of ways 32 depending on where you live may seem like a high number may not seem like a
00:45:22
high number but in this area I gotta call this a large number because once you take into account that the
00:45:30
population of the location is only about three thousand people so that's 32 registered sex offenders in a
00:45:37
concentrated area which is certainly cause for concern yeah I don't think I would want to live in that area
00:45:43
especially with the 13 year old daughter if you get on the internet and you start
00:45:47
looking and I shouldn't have laughed when I said that but if you get on everybody everybody gets on the internet
00:45:52
and looks up sex offenders if you look it up you're always I've always been shocked every time I'm like that
00:45:58
number's higher than I expected there is only well that's what's nice about where
00:46:03
I live I'm kind of a little secluded a little bit a neighborhood that's secluded but uh one
00:46:10
within like I don't know Six Mile eight mile radius one and you've put a tracking device on his
00:46:18
vehicle no I don't have any kids so I'm not worried on that level but uh but you know I know
00:46:27
what he drives I know where he lives well according to John Lieberman he's a reporter and former investigator for
00:46:34
America's Most Wanted he states that this community is uh meth is the number one public safety issue in the number
00:46:43
one drug problem so he says that he's speculating that they are probably looking at anybody who is attached to
00:46:51
the meth community and seeing if anyone there possibly could be involved well there was a crime that we covered
00:46:58
hopefully you can remember it but it was um the house was taken over during the day
00:47:05
the father was tied up in the basement yeah uh they went to the bank the Cheshire murders the cheshires yes I
00:47:13
leaned towards that where it was going to be a maybe a burglary for drugs or there's some involvement
00:47:21
with her parents and these drug dealers or drug addicts they break in they killed mom and the dad they see
00:47:32
this 13 year old girl one of them has some sexual desires or fantasies or whatever I want to call it some
00:47:41
perversion and says now we're taking this and she's going to be a victim of a different crime yeah in in that crime in
00:47:49
particular there's uh what I've always considered a hot debate as to why the family was targeted were they targeted
00:47:56
because they were perceived to be wealthy or were they targeted because the one individual the one offender
00:48:02
murderer rapist saw the 12 year old girl that he was attracted to and targeted them for that
00:48:09
purpose it's hard to tell I mean based off the pictures of this house and we don't have a bunch of pictures of of
00:48:16
houses surrounding this area so that points out John Lieberman points out a couple of different options here that
00:48:22
are interesting because one the thought that maybe there was meth involved or somebody attached to the meth community
00:48:29
that is involved in this crime and you said maybe there could have been a beef between one of the parents or both
00:48:34
parents and whoever pulled off this crime or do we have a situation where it's a robbery gone horribly wrong and
00:48:44
this could be and that's kind of what I was trying to say earlier yeah and this could be a couple different Avenues you
00:48:51
could take from this so first of all the door was kicked in so clearly there's forced entry into the home or at least
00:48:58
we are being told that the door was kicked in so that to me would point to something like a robbery
00:49:05
um the the things that don't point to something like a robbery is there's no reports of anything of value being
00:49:13
missing from the home there's really no reports of anything at all missing from the home other than Jamie and the dog is
00:49:20
kept alive but again I think we kind of put that to bed didn't we by saying look
00:49:25
it's late at night the dog could have been locked up right you know most situations if you kick in a door that
00:49:31
door that dog if there's a dog home will come charging at whatever has kicked in
00:49:36
that door and usually the dog is the first thing to be put down I think we have a situation where maybe the dog was
00:49:43
in a location where it would could do only It could only bark at the noises that the dog was hearing so
00:49:51
with the robbery gone horribly wrong that would take us down two avenos the first being that they targeted the class
00:49:59
family or home for some reason or did they hit the wrong house do we have a situation here where that's
00:50:07
possibility they were thought they were going after somebody else and they hit the wrong house
00:50:13
[Music] and for whatever reason they took Jamie with them the other thing too that's interesting
00:50:20
Captain is there's not a lot of violent crime in this area uh John Lieberman and
00:50:25
I wanted to dive into this more but you think there'd be more if they're if there's a lot of meth going on in the
00:50:33
area well there could be a lot of crime but he specifically States violent crime
00:50:38
right you know so there could be thefts in car break-ins things of that nature those aren't described as violent crimes
00:50:46
but one thing he does mention in his interview is that there is two unsolved cases in the area and I
00:50:55
guess he's lumping these in as violent crimes one is a murder so of course that would be a violent crime the other other
00:51:01
is a missing person's case from 1996. he states that happened in that general area and they're both unsolved as well I
00:51:10
he didn't provide enough information in the interview for me to go back and find
00:51:14
out what those cases were or the details of such but then there's this other weird super weird situation this is not
00:51:23
sitting well with me at all oh yeah uh pumpkin head yeah what are you talking about so there was an arrest made over
00:51:29
the weekend and that's when usually the captain and I would jump out of our chairs and scream got him and we have
00:51:35
all kinds of fun with that the problem is they arrest this guy pumpkin head well it look at his picture
00:51:43
and I look it looks like a pumpkin head now he he's a he's a super creep he's super creepy yeah well this thing
00:51:55
Captain this dude what's his name can you pull up his name for me rather than calling him pumpkin head
00:52:01
like for us it kind of looks like Pumpkinhead no he definitely does and he has those weird glasses he almost looks
00:52:08
like he talks to the side of his mouth a little bit well I'll break this down for
00:52:13
you the police were fairly quick I say police it's actually the sheriff's department but the sheriff's department
00:52:18
were fairly quick to say that he's not a suspect in The Disappearance of Jamie nor the homicides of her parents so on
00:52:26
Saturday was the funeral yeah on Saturday there was a funeral for both on that day is when the house
00:52:32
was broken into yeah like in the middle of the night the super creep comes creeping in the back door apparently he
00:52:38
found an unlocked patio door now somebody had set up motion detecting cameras I believe it was probably the
00:52:46
Sheriff's Department he went into the home to steal clothing and it sounds what's being reported is
00:52:51
that he was stealing underwear of our missing girl yeah you know most most reports State
00:52:59
clothing but there are some that state underwear of the missing girl now he's not a suspect
00:53:05
five nine pumpkin head uh stuff two tank tops a girl's dress and two pairs of girls underwear and his
00:53:14
coat pocket so this is 32 year old Kyle Jank Annis and I'll spell that last name
00:53:20
because it's tricky for me looks like it's j-a-e-n-k-e Dash is that a dash or hyphen what do you call it
00:53:30
a-n-n-i-s so this 32 year old super creep was arrested over the weekend and as the captain was saying this was on
00:53:37
the same day as the double funeral and it was also on the same day where they doubled the reward money that's being
00:53:44
offered for information on the case specifically to find 13 year old Jamie Kloss right and let's hear this
00:53:53
he tells authorities that he was curious about what size Jaime was okay that's a little weird and then he
00:54:01
says you know what I didn't know the family although he worked at the same he worked
00:54:07
oh turkey store yeah so I'm wondering how much of the population in this area work
00:54:14
at that Jenny O's because like you and I can go to the store here in Columbus Ohio and buy Jenny O's turkey like so I
00:54:22
don't know how big of a operation that is and there's a chance maybe he didn't know them but it's quite the coincidence
00:54:29
that he has an interest and 13 year old girls underwear he works at the same place or same company at least as the
00:54:38
parents and he's Brazen enough or dumb enough or both I don't know how you want to look at it to go creeping in their
00:54:45
home could this place be on any more of a high alert yeah well you're talking dude
00:54:51
you're talking about a desire for girls underwear that's so strong that you can't stop yourself from going into a
00:54:58
home where two individuals were murdered a girl was taken and your desire for girls underwear so strong that you go
00:55:05
into this location that's on high alert yeah to me I'm telling you I I want some
00:55:11
more information as to why this guy was cleared yeah yeah yeah pumpkin head has his head so far up his anus
00:55:20
I mean and again like you said like you just said why was he cleared because this just seems strange
00:55:29
especially on the day that they're having funerals who was it um a handful of years ago in Ohio
00:55:37
there was an individual that broke into a home and he would later claim that the
00:55:43
family came home while he was in the process of burglarizing the home he ends up killing the adults that startled him
00:55:50
and he he abducted a 12 or 13 year old girl at the time it's Matthew Hoffman is the name of the offender what's what's
00:55:59
weird here is I kind of look at this case the way that I'm looking at the the current state of this case right now of
00:56:07
Jamie kloss's case and what I mean by that is if my memory serves me right I think Matthew Hoffman after he was
00:56:15
apprehended he sat pretty damn quiet about what had actually happened for several days he wasn't willing to and
00:56:24
they basically caught him red-handed because they found the abducted girl with him
00:56:29
so they know he was guilty right yeah but again this could be this could be law enforcement playing a hand that's
00:56:35
what that's what I mean could we have this could we have this 32 year old Kyle super creep guy
00:56:41
sitting there quiet for now and not willing to fess up to anything and maybe they didn't find anything at his
00:56:48
apartment his house is dwelling wherever and so they have nothing to tie him to the case but this is an area where
00:56:56
there's a lot of there's land there's outbuildings could he have some other place that um
00:57:04
he does this super creepy stuff you also have to wonder we mentioned 32 registered sex offenders in the area
00:57:12
in that general area you have to wonder does he fall on that list does his name pop up on that list well check this out
00:57:20
over the weekend the sheriff is going to say that hey the reward is fifty thousand dollars for information on this
00:57:27
case and then a Facebook post on Monday he said more than 2 000 tips poured in this weekend
00:57:35
so hopefully this was a case that so many people said hey check this out and I think it's because we're only getting
00:57:42
little bits of information right and I at first it was uh missing girl then then you find out well no not only is
00:57:51
she missing but her parents were murdered probably at the time that she went missing and then you hear this
00:57:56
thing about that maybe she's in Miami Florida and and so it's really difficult to cover a case
00:58:03
that's this new and as things are coming out uh and it's hard to know what direction really to go in because law
00:58:11
enforcement is going to keep a lot of this stuff close to their chest and maybe if there is some
00:58:18
voice identification some voice identifiers on that 9-1-1 tape maybe that would be released at
00:58:26
some point you know what you might not even need voice identifiers you might be able to just decipher who it is based
00:58:33
off of the words that are said meaning that if we have if their words were said if we have gunshots fired they obviously
00:58:41
know how many gunshots would have been fired during the course of this if they hear that number of of shots fired and
00:58:50
then hear a voice saying please help or no stop or anything that you would expect the victim to say and not the
00:58:58
perpetrators then you know she was home and she was alive after the the parents were no longer alive and really the
00:59:07
whole thing here is look no good can come of this this is a tragic horrible horrifying case that has
00:59:15
ripped apart a community but there is still time there could still be time to save this little girl
00:59:23
so real quick here Captain Jamie was Jamie is described as being quiet shy and generous friends and family told the
00:59:32
media that the the mother and daughter relationship was extremely close that she was very close to her mother and the
00:59:38
two were inseparable Jamie Kloss is described as we said earlier as five foot tall and around a hundred pounds
00:59:45
she has green eyes and blonde or strawberry blonde hair anybody who sees anything you know like we talked about
00:59:53
that sighting that came up in Florida and even though there's been press releases to state that it's been
00:59:59
discredited I want to take my hat off to whoever made that phone call because they always say if you see something say
01:00:05
something there's never been a better time if you see something damn it say something well there's a lot of people
01:00:12
saying stuff this weekend I mean 2000 tips come in so hopefully law enforcement is on the right track any
01:00:19
tips sightings or information can be reported to the following number one 1-855-744-3879 again police do not
01:00:30
believe that she has voluntarily run away and instead believe that she may have been taken against her will again
01:00:37
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01:01:22
this week we are recommending operation devil horns the takedown of MS-13 in San
01:01:28
Francisco this is the story of a dedicated team of special agents Federal prosecutors and local police who took
01:01:36
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01:01:59
everyone out there as well make sure you check for those razor blades in your kids candy till next week be good be
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kind and don't live foreign [Music] [Applause] [Music]