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[Music] crime [Music] see at the trial of Kenneth McDuff who is charged with committing three murders
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in 1966 in Texas we have two separate trials here Captain because obviously Roy green is going to be the states star
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witness against Kenneth McDuff at mcduff's trial and at that trial green takes the stand and McDuff took the
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stand as well now when green is on the stand his voice at times is barely audible you know he's very quiet seems
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very timid very shy very scared but he tells the courtroom how Kenneth McDuff had shot the two teenage boys
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and then raped and killed Edna solivan Green admitted that he too participated in the crimes committed that night but
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he told the jury that he feared for his life and he feared that McDuff would kill him too if he did not follow
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mcduff's orders when Kenneth McDuff took the witness stand he denied any knowledge of all at all of the killings
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and suggested that Roy green acted alone and committed the crimes on his own after borrowing Kenneth's car and that
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Roy green was simply trying to frame McDuff for these crimes well you got to remember this is what green was telling
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him McDuff told him to do deny everything don't talk don't even if they start to beat on you it'll be worse in
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prison than whatever the cops will do to you present in the courtroom each day so
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this trial really only lasted about a week and in my opinion I'm surprised it lasted that long because it was it looks
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to me like a pretty open and shut case now mind you in ' 66 they didn't have the technology that we have today one of
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the things that was a bit of a delay in this trial that really kind of drug it out a lot longer than it needed to be
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was some of the and I want to be clear here that when I say theatrics I'm talking about theatrics on behalf of the
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defense and people for the defendant so so a couple things that happened was Kenneth mcduff's attorney his we already
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talked about what mcduff's defense would be that that he wasn't a part of it he was it was all a lie that the real
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killer took his car and his gun and committed these crimes he's trying to frame him mcduff's attorney on multiple
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occasions tried to push for a mistrial Tred to get the judge to agree to a mistrial I I think when I observe it
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here today it looks to me like the defense attorney understood what they were up against that it was a pretty
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open and shut case against his client and so I think that he really kind of threw his hands up in the air and said
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what the hell do you do here all right I'll just I'll just attempt to get a mistrial I will attempt multiple times
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to get a mistrial on one of those occasions it was because Edna Sullivan's parents had to be removed from the
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courtroom they were so upset and and so distract they they physically broke down
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right there in the courtroom and had to be removed and that's when the defense attorney comes up and says you know
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judge that we got to declare this a mistrial because the jury can't forget that you can tell them to erase that
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from their memories and to not take that those acts into their consideration but
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there's no way that they can't now and True Form true to her form present in the courtroom each day of this trial of
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mcduff's trial is his mother Addie remember she thinks her son is a quote perfect little angel yeah and she
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vouched for her son telling reporters that Kenneth McDuff had an alibi for the time of the murders she says that
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Kenneth was on a date with a young woman from his church saying quote I think she's studying to be a missionary okay
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so but we can't find this individual no we can't find this individual because the mom M and Kenneth refuse to reveal
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this girl's name that he's supposedly on a date with because she's studying to be
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a missionary and if he were to say that she was out on a date right then that would ruin her reputation and that she
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would be kicked out of the church or not be able to go on to study to be a missionary something like that so so I
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mean think about this he's basically saying that hey green I let him borrow my vehicle I let him
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borrow my gun and then he was able to control all three victims by himself and move Vehicles two vehicles at a time he
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was basically able to walk on freaking water and I had no I had no knowledge of this well and his mother just drives me
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freaking nuts here because the way that she stands up for Kenneth and this is again this is not the first time this is
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what's been going on his entire life and if you want to you know it's easy to fault family of these types of monsters
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and point out where they went wrong as well but with mcduff's Mom she's constantly getting him out of trouble
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and sticking up for him and vouching for him even when he does the worst of the worst here you know she's quoted in the
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paper saying he's he's too good for his own good yeah I don't think so too good for his own good too good for his own
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good she says look the reporters say but you know your son won't reveal the name
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of this person who is his Alibi he is on trial for three homicides he is going to
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be executed by the state of Texas via electric chair if he's convicted if he's if he's found guilty in this case and
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yet he won't give up the name of his alibi what say you Mrs McDuff and she says well if he's willing to risk death
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in the electric chair to spare the girl's reputation I guess that's his business no the truth is they couldn't
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find the girl if they named her and if they did find this person they would not this person would not back up the story
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of this horrible monster because the truth of the matter and we all know it was he was there the night he was
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responsible for this triple homicide not only responsible I believe he was the driving force behind all of those crimes
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that were committed that night and then for his mother to stand up for him at court in November of 1966 to me is just
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another great example of either stupid or liar yeah I would go with both so of course we have Kenneth McDuff who is
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found guilty and he is sentenced to die by the state of Texas and he was scheduled to be executed in the electric
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chair and in fact he comes awfully close at least twice actually walking to the chair and gets a last minute stay of
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execution in both situations in fact he was scheduled I believe he was scheduled
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to die within just a couple years of the conviction you know nowadays we know that people land on death row and they
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can be there for 15 18 25 30 years sometimes they're never executed at all he was supposed to be executed they had
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set the date he comes close several times but they never end up executing Kenneth McDuff in fact what
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ends up happening is very much the opposite Roy green ends up getting 25 years his that is his sentence in the
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case McDuff gets the death penalty and then later mcduff's sentence was commuted to life in prison this is after
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the United States throughout the death penalty in 1972 so he commits these murders in ' 66
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six years later what he sentenced to is no longer even an option so it's now commuted to a life sentence yeah I feel
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like he should have got three life sentences but then it's even going to get worse so check this out well and
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then we have an issue here in the state of Texas that goes beyond getting rid of
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the death penalty they have overcrowding in the prison population in Texas throughout the entire State and this is
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an ongoing problem and so what they are forced to do with the overcrowding problem is to increase their parole
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considerations of their inmates and this is handed down by the by order of the governor so before
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long they are ordered to parole 750 of the lowest risk inmates a week right 750 of the lowest risk
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inmates a week now think about that for a second if you have the [Music] 750 the
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750 most low risk of offending again criminals that you're releasing well then that means that the following week
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you're releasing 750 more and they are now considered the most low risk however they were a higher risk than the 750
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That You released the week before right and that Trend continues week after week
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after week after week until you get to somebody like Kenneth McDuff who has killed three people again should be
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serving a life sentence no possibility of parole no matter what no matter how crowded these prisons are individuals
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like this should not be getting out of prison in the end the state of Texas over the course of a a long period of
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time they end up releasing over 60,000 inmates they are eventually forced to release somebody like Kenneth McDuff I
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shouldn't say forced he has to go before a parole board but by the time he goes before the parole board they're pretty
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much rubber stamping these things through they're clearing these guys rather quickly and his crimes are are
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certainly significantly more horrific than a lot of the other people that the parole board would look at and that they
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would examine their case File and review their Prison history right but the problem one thing that that comes into
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the favor of somebody like Kenneth McDuff is by the time they get to him you know they don't start releasing
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people even though that they commuted the his sentence in 1972 it was still believed in 1972 that
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he would spend the rest of his life in prison we're talking about years and years later it wasn't until I believe
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the the mid 80s or late 80s that they started releasing the inmates and rubber stamping these
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paroles but by the time they get to somebody like Kenneth McDuff he's been in their prison system for a long period
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of time he was sent there in 1966 he won't be released until December of 1990 so it's a considerable amount of
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time and what he has on his to his Advantage is that he's now older and for whatever reason they have believed that
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he has been rehabilitated and that he will not be much of a threat when he's released well because
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he also behaved himself pretty well when he was in incarceration he broke a lot of the rules but he didn't get caught
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for a lot of things um it's believed that he was paying off some of the guards to sneak him drugs over the years
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he had a pretty healthy drug habit especially once he got out of prison in 1990 but here's an interesting quote
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okay there there were people that came out of the woodwork when Kenneth McDuff was released to try to tell everybody
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look we're going to have a big problem here this is this is going to be a big problem letting this guy out so this is
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a quote from Bill brand he's the father of one of Kenneth mcduff's victims Robert brand from
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1966 and when he was released when McDuff was released Bill bran said quote he was out on parole when McDuff killed
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our kids he got three death sentences and now he's out on parole again they are going to have blood on their hands
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those people who turned him loose very good point that he brings up there Kenneth McDuff was out on parole at the
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time that he killed the three kids yeah I mean it makes zero sense to me that anybody that would be originally
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sentenced to death by the state would be released is Absol absolutely ridiculous
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and I get the idea that okay okay maybe he's a model prisoner but like you said just a
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prisoner that didn't get caught but records show he's a model prisoner we're going to let him out but
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again this is a this is a triple homicide where in fact then he went on and lied about it wasn't like that he
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came forward and confessed and turned himself in didn't show any sign of remorse I mean hell he was lock Ling
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through his teeth saying I was even there so for them to release a monster like that that's it's the most one of
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the most irresponsible things I've ever heard of our prison system doing well and keep in mind though it's state byst
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state when we talk about the prison system so this is straight up the Texas prison system doing this and according
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to one of my favorite Publications Texas monthly the man who arrested Kenneth McDuff after the triple
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omde sheriff paplin on the day that McDuff was released he shared his opinion Sheriff papini says that he said
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quote I don't know if it'll be next week or next month or next year this is him talking to fellow
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officers but one of these days dead girls are going to start turning up and when that happens the man you need to
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look for is Kenneth McDuff I mean you can't make this stuff up this is this is incredible stuff here that
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people are saying these are almost premonitions of of letting this evil this kind of evil back out on the
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streets and you have the sheriff who arrested him saying one of these days dead girls are going to start turning up
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and when that happens the man we need to look for is Kenneth McDuff well think about that this guy was sentenced to
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death McDuff was sentenced to death and now by releasing him you are sentencing innocent women to death within days of
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Kenneth McDuff being paroled released on parole the naked body of a woman did indeed turn up and this was
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31-year-old sarapa Parker she had been found to have been beaten strangled and dumped in a field near Temple Texas
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according to records Kenneth mcduff's parole officer was based in Temple now he's never been connected 100% to that
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homicide that's still an open homicide to this day but given the location and given the proximity both in location to
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where his parole officer was and the time that he gets out of prison you put two and two together here
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and he looks like a very good suspect for sarapa Parker's murder we do get lucky here for a little bit Captain uh
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brief McDuff is returned to prison this is after he threatened a youth in uh Rosebud it sounds like we have this
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grown man here who was almost in like some kind of physical altercation with a boy I don't know the details of the
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story but it's enough for him to have violated his parole he sent back to prison so once again the state of Texas
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gets the opportunity to keep this guy jailed forever however that's not that's not to be and he ends up getting out
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once again then in 1991 Kenneth McDuff enrolled at Texas State Technical College in Waco Texas and soon after
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that we have Central Texas women sex workers they begin to disappear there's one in particular of Valencia Joshua age
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22 was last seen alive February 24th 199 1 and we have witnesses say that she was
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on campus looking for Kenneth McDuff had asked for Kenneth McDuff or where people
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where she could find him and then later she disappears her naked body is later discovered in a shallow grave behind
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let's get back into it back in early 1991 Kenneth McDuff is back out on the streets again and this is when he
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enrolled at Texas State Technical College in Waco Texas while he was in prison he actually completed his high
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school degree and attended I believe like achieved 45 hours toward college credits while he was in prison and so
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he's going to pick up and try to go to the school here but but again we see a reoccurring theme with Kenneth McDuff as
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soon as he moves to an area as soon as we know that he is in an area well then women start to disappear and in fact we
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get a young woman Valencia Joshua aged 22 she is seen for the last time alive February 24th
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1991 and we have multiple Witnesses who say that they saw her on the Tex Texas State Technical College campus on that
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day and she was asking for Kenneth McDuff if she in fact found him then this is what likely led to her death in
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my opinion now she's missing for a period of time but later her naked decomposed body was discovered in a
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shallow grave in the woods in this area is located directly behind Texas State Technical College this will bring to
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later in the year in 1991 in fact around the around the Christmas holiday of 1991 when a young woman named Colleen
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Reed disappeared from an Austin Texas car wash Witnesses reported hearing a woman scream that night and
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seeing two men speeding away in either a yellow or tan Thunderbird we know that McDuff is involved so it's going to be a
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horrific scene but we we have a really good news report on this crime yeah Captain you're exactly spot on there and
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I wanted to make sure that we read this article that came out shortly after Colleen Reed disappeared because it's
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just it's full of Doom and Gloom there's no hope as you will hear in this article
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and this article is just two days after she went missing so the headline here from the Austin American statesman
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newspaper out of Austin Texas says police think woman was abducted while she washed her car and the reporter here
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is Kimberly Garcia who writes police continue their search for a missing West Lake Hills woman who they believe was
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abducted from a central Austin Car Wash Colleen Reed age 28 was abducted at 9:15
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p.m. Sunday possibly by two men while washing her car and then it gives the address for the car wash and this is
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according to the Austin Police Department's assault unit Sergeant Don Martin here's one thing that I want to
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point out I'm GNA jump in as we go through this article here when you have a report from
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police that is saying this person was abducted at 9:15 p.m. that means it's beyond question by that time it's beyond
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question if this person is missing or if they were abducted police are telling you this woman was abducted and oh yeah
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not just abducted we have the time stamp of when she was abducted and it was at 9:15 p.m. right so the officer goes on
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to tell the reporter quote I don't feel good about this at all generally speaking you kidnap someone to take
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their car money or to sexually assault them Reed's purse was in her car car which was found covered with soap suds
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at the car wash after her disappearance the vehicle's door was open suggesting Reed may have sensed danger and tried to
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return to her car Martin said four Witnesses one two three four witnesses around the corner from the car wash told
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police that they saw two white or Hispanic men in their 30s with dark skin and hair Drive the wrong way on pal
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Street before the Abduction the passenger may have had a beard Witnesses told police they heard a
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scream followed by the slamming of two car doors well I think what the eyewitnesses are hearing is her fighting
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for her life and then they saw the same men Drive the wrong way down Fifth Street again all according to the
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officer the suspects lacked a familiarity with the street directions that makes police think that the men did
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not know re or did not know the area the men were driving a late 1980s model two-door tan car with rounded tail
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lights and a low rear end quote it appears at this time that this is going to be a genuine random kidnapping end
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quote that's according to the assault unit officer Sergeant Martin he goes on to say there's no doubt in my mind that
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she went unwillingly police fears shocked Reeds friends and co- workers they say this is
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real weird because she's Street Smart said her friend Heather Bailey you can be as street smart as you want to be if
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somebody has a weapon they can control you and her friend goes on to describe Reed and saying that Not only was she
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street smart but she was in the Army Reserve so she's been trained to defend herself the newspaper article points out
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that Colleen Reed is five 3 in tall weighs 115b was a certified public accountant
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at the time she's really interesting to me here Captain she was actually a u Louisiana
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native and from my understanding she graduated high school early and started attending
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college at the young age of 16 so a very bright individual that we are talking about and then the police go on to
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describe her further in this article because of course they are still looking for her at this time and they say that
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Reed has shoulder length dark hair and brown eyes when she was abducted she is believed to have been wearing gold frame
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wied glasses a pink and ivory plaid hip length jacket and an ivory wool scarf and they said that Reed our victim
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appear to be running errands on that Sunday night and they base this off of receipts that were found in her car that
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revealed that she had deposited some money in a cash machine and bought food before going to the car wash to wash her
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car and then we believe her to have been abducted from that haunting scene at the
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car wash and so we have a lot of eyewitnesses claiming that they saw two men is it a similar situation with like
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McDuff and green where mc mc Duff is going to be the leader of this crime well it's it
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again it it's similar in the way that it depends on who you talk to right because
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McDuff in the first set of murders says that he's innocent and Roy green says otherwise well in this situation it is
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similar that we end up getting a confession from an accomplice but this accomplice doesn't come forward in the
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way that Roy green did this this accomplice comes forward because he's figured out by police he's picked up by
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police and eventually he caves in with his story what's weird here again you know we talked about the Texas Tower
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shooting and Charles Witman but Kenneth McDuff has always been connected to the yogurt shop murders as
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well so the Abduction of Colleen Reed takes place in the same city in the same month as the yogurt shop quadruple
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homicide yeah and so he's always been connected to that he's been thought of by some to possibly be a suspect another
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way that he's connected is that the great show America's Most Wanted featured a segment on the yogurt shop
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murders this was in March of 1992 they were still trying to figure out who had committed that crime they were still
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trying to figure out who had abducted Colleen Reed in March of 1992 so there was a segment about her case on that
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same episode well this guy definitely has the ability to commit a horrible crime like the yogurt shop murders what
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we have here too is that segment ran in March of 1992 that same month Melissa Northrup
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who was pregnant with her third child at the time she vanishes from a Waco convenience store where she was working
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so she's the only attendant that night she vanishes Kenneth mcduff's beige Thunderbird broke down and was
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discovered one block from the Waco convenience store where this woman vanished from it took a little over 50
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days later that fisherman found Melissa's body floating in a gravel pit in Dallas County this is 90 miles north
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of Waco from my understanding Captain his car breaks down and it looks like to me he goes to this convenience store
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abducts Melissa abducts Melissa Northrup and takes her car and then gets out a Dodge with her and toe right this car
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situation is going to make Kenneth McDuff the target of a nationwide manhunt again to some people to the
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people that were closest to the triple homicide case the law enforcement officers and the victim's families this
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is not a surprise to them Kenneth McDuff out abducting killing women not a surprise to
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them you know the three scariest words that I can imagine hearing together or seeing or reading together paroled
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serial killer pared serial killer and this man he was a he was a killer when he was apprehended and and put into
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prison and he left prison a killer again and he continued to kill after he was released
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now this is where our story really starts to ramp up again you had asked did the Colleen Reed
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abduction did it go the same way as the triple homicide did back in ' 66 I said in a lot of ways it was similar because
00:36:29
yes you end up having an accomplice who breaks down and confesses to being a part of the crimes and says that Kenneth
00:36:36
McDuff was the person that was in control of the crime Colleen Reed her abduction
00:36:47
is I mean is it's something that sounds like it's straight out of a horror flick
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Hank warley is the man who breaks down what happens is is the police get some kind of
00:37:00
idea that Kenneth McDuff was in the area in the Austin city the day that Colleen
00:37:07
Reed was abducted and killed and they figure out that he had been hanging out with this Hank warley guy
00:37:17
they pick up Hank warley and after a pretty lengthy session with him he ends up confessing and he says that he and
00:37:27
McDuff abducted Colleen Reed warley was 34 years old at the time he says that he
00:37:37
thought or was told by McDuff keep in mind neither man is from the area and that makes sense when we read that
00:37:44
article the newspaper article when they kept turning down and going the wrong way on on more than one wrong oneway
00:37:51
street right and that's what the police thought all along that the the abductors
00:37:56
were from from not from that area and likely didn't even know the victim warley story backs that up he says that
00:38:02
he was told by McDuff that they were going to Austin Texas that night so that they could score some drugs that they
00:38:13
were going to meet up with somebody and the details are a little sketchy on that
00:38:18
but he says that they they went there from his knowledge to score drugs and at some point they're now in
00:38:28
Austin they're driving around and McDuff tells him I'm going to take a girl tonight I'm going to I'm gonna find
00:38:37
somebody and I'm gonna take them right and he said it's a short period of time after that that they
00:38:45
spotted Colleen Reed who was alone at the car wash and according to warly story McDuff gets out of the
00:38:55
vehicle and we get gave you a physical description of Colleen Reed we gave you a physical description of Kenneth McDuff
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he's 13 in taller yeah that's a big boy than Colleen Reed and according to warley
00:39:11
McDuff walks very quickly up to her doesn't say a word and he grabs her by the throat and lifts her up off of the
00:39:21
ground she's kicking her legs and warley said that he could see her feet not even
00:39:27
her toes would touch the ground and McDuff just picked her up walked her over to the vehicle and
00:39:36
forced her into the back seat of the car and then off the three of them went into
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the night and very hauntingly and just again just like a horror flick according to
00:39:51
warley right before McDuff grabs her Reed is saying please not me please not me and he throws her into the back of
00:40:00
that car and that's the last time anybody saw Colleen Reed alive so he breaks down tells them the
00:40:08
story now he also tells them that yes he was involved in the abduction yes he was involved in some
00:40:17
assaults on Reed and McDuff insisted on torturing her and to the point that at one
00:40:28
point the victim begs ala Hank warley to to kill her so she doesn't have to go through any more
00:40:39
pain and suffering warley says that he while he did commit these crimes and was a participant in some of these crimes he
00:40:48
was not an actual participant in the the murder of Colleen Reed as McDuff dropped
00:40:55
him off off and ask warley for a knife and he said hey I this you know this is where I'm going to go and then
00:41:07
he used these words I'm going to use her up well that's because McDuff is a piece of [ __ ] so warley doesn't know
00:41:16
exactly what happened after that but it you know it doesn't take much to figure out that that McDuff killed Colleen Reed
00:41:26
that night a short time after dropping off warley it's almost like McDuff has part of the fantasy is to have somebody
00:41:35
involved with him as he's committing these horrible crimes it's very strange yes I agree with you but that there
00:41:43
seems to be a lot of crimes that he committed on his own I wondered that and have been thinking a lot about that as
00:41:50
well and I feel like with McDuff that it's more of a case of whenever the mood should strike him he doesn't care if
00:41:59
somebody's with him or not when he decides that he's going to go for it he goes for it because we read
00:42:08
off the speculation the speculation is that he could have nine victims 14 victims or
00:42:15
more that goes beyond the four victims that he killed with another person present and you're right Captain I don't
00:42:22
know either it's part of his sick Twisted Fantasy or it's just when whenever the urge
00:42:30
takes him over that he's going to do this no matter what and what what is clear though it
00:42:37
could be both but what is clear to me is he seems to believe and the record might
00:42:44
show this to be the case as well it seems to me like once he's made up his mind that he's going to abduct and kill
00:42:52
he doesn't think that there's anything that can stop him well and we don't know what the other victim if there was
00:42:57
somebody that was with him or not because there could have been somebody that's just never come forward well and
00:43:03
you know what's weird too and I don't want to get too mystical here I don't want to get too spiritual on everybody
00:43:10
but in a lot of ways you wonder you wonder both sides of the coin at least I do one had McDuff been by himself that
00:43:17
night would he have on either of these nights 66 or 1991 would he have committed these
00:43:23
horrible crimes personally I believe he would have whether he was had an accomplice or or or not I agree so then
00:43:31
the flip side of that coin is in some way was it a godsend that he had help back in ' 66 and that was our
00:43:39
opportunity to lock up this evil forever to Snuff it out forever right and we failed big mistake and it's only because
00:43:48
of well I shouldn't say it's only because of because it sounds to me like police were pretty hot on the trail of
00:43:54
Kenneth McDuff in 19 1992 right even before Hank warley broke down but it doesn't seem like they had
00:44:01
connected McDuff to the Reed abduction and murder 100% And then once they had warley they they have what is now some
00:44:15
of their evidence to arrest this guy and and God bless America's Most Wanted that
00:44:21
great program because it was their coverage of Kenneth McDuff their coverage of Colleen Reed's
00:44:32
case that ultimately led to Kenneth McDuff being arrested so he had actually High tailed
00:44:39
it out of Texas it was getting too hot there for him one he's racking up too many bodies on his Trail and two police
00:44:49
are now on his Trail so at some point he leaves Texas and he goes to where were we just a a week or so ago Captain too
00:44:59
hot in the hot tub Kansas City Missouri old Kansas City here we come yes he takes he he takes on a fake name and
00:45:09
identity in Kansas City and he's working for the trash collecting company there and one of his
00:45:20
co-workers saw the segment of America's Most Wanted sees Kenneth stff on there calls America's Most Wanted and says I'm
00:45:31
pretty sure the guy I'm working with is actually Kenneth McDuff and we said before you look up a picture of this guy
00:45:38
there's no mistaking him he's he he's easily recognizable he has devil eyes and a big old beak so on May 4th 1992 in
00:45:48
Kansas City Missouri Kenneth McDuff is arrested thank you to the America's Most Wanted program and that individual who
00:45:57
called in with that hot tip that led police and authorities to Kenneth McDuff he ultimately will go and face trial two
00:46:08
more times so he's going to be charged with the abduction and murder of Colleen Reed which is a difficult case for the
00:46:19
State of Texas because when he's sent to trial they don't have her body what they do have is
00:46:28
Hank warley State star witness to explain and tell the judge and the jury what Kenneth McDuff did and what he
00:46:38
assisted Kenneth McDuff in that night McDuff will also face a trial in the Northrup case this
00:46:49
man is the only man to my knowledge that has been sentenced to death by by three different counties
00:46:58
three different juries in the state of Texas he's the only person in the history of the state of Texas to have
00:47:07
two death row inmate numbers yeah piece of [ __ ] number one and piece of [ __ ]
00:47:11
number two and of course McDuff stands by his original statements from 1966 and he continues to make similar
00:47:20
statements in 1992 he simply says he wasn't with with warley and that Roy green is a liar that's his that's his
00:47:30
short statement to to the general public even after he is tried and convicted three times for homicides and he's been
00:47:39
convicted of five homicides in total and in an interview while he is on death row he says the same thing I
00:47:49
wasn't with warley and Roy green is a liar and he goes on to say that uh the the statements contradict one another
00:47:57
because Hank warley gave multiple statements to police and the reason why he gave more than one statement to
00:48:04
police is because he was telling them what they wanted to hear and he didn't know the details of that case he says I
00:48:12
was convicted by the news media the facts of the case didn't warrant my convictions and at the time of this
00:48:20
interview that I'm referencing here he still had appeals in both of his cases and he believed that he would get out on
00:48:31
those appeals well he got out before and the person get conducting the interview
00:48:37
says so the news media convicted you Kenneth McDuff replies none of the cases independently should have been
00:48:44
convictions the news media accused me of having tie-ins in all of them essentially what he's saying is that you
00:48:51
wouldn't get a conviction uh if if these cases were just completely separate from
00:48:57
one another right you wouldn't be able to convict me if they didn't know these other things that you suspected me of
00:49:03
and so the reporter probes a little bit more and says so are you saying that you've been convicted in three separate
00:49:09
murder cases that you are a suspect in half a dozen more that you've been given three death penalties and that in fact
00:49:17
you're as innocent as the fresh fallen snow to which McDuff replies no I'm telling you
00:49:26
what the evidence is there wasn't sufficient evidence in any of these cases for a conviction what a grade A
00:49:35
[ __ ] because he's you you can hear and see in his words he doesn't mind being the monster
00:49:44
big ass he doesn't mind you believing that he's killed all these people he doesn't mind that you believe that he's
00:49:51
done all these horrible things but he wants to point out that even if they got the right guy the
00:49:58
evidence isn't there right there's not sufficient evidence to convict me I am the monster but I'm better than your
00:50:07
system I'm better than your law enforcement they didn't do their jobs well looks like they did he ended
00:50:16
up in the right place in the end yeah a big mistake you know by Texas one that they have own up to and
00:50:26
essentially they get it right in the end but if it wasn't for green one of the things that we learn
00:50:34
from Green that's the most important out of all this is McDuff is going to commit horrible
00:50:42
crimes and and deny deny deny deny deny never admit to be in there never never admit to
00:50:52
anything and that will always leave some doubt in people's mind one of the victims or believed to be a victim of
00:51:01
Kenneth McDuff one of their family members told the newspapers when talking about Kenneth mcduff's release from
00:51:14
prison and then he goes on to kill other people he says the the victim's family member
00:51:22
says they'll never convince me that what they did was right or ethical the only way he meaning McDuff knows how to have
00:51:30
a relationship with a woman is to abduct them rape them and murder them she goes
00:51:35
on to say that he went to prison a killer came out a killer and will kill again if given the opportunity quote
00:51:42
they'll try to convince me in a few years that he's 70 years old and will never hurt anybody again that's [ __ ]
00:51:51
he'll find a way to rape and murder none of us will be safe until he is dead which I absolutely agree and
00:51:58
that's why he is the Texas monster so one of those trials Captain was in 1992 in
00:52:05
Houston and that was for the abduction and murder of Melissa Northrup at that trial we end up with the current Sheriff
00:52:15
from Falls County remember Falls County Sheriff's Department was the sheriff's department that arrested Kenneth McDuff
00:52:23
for the Triple homicide back in 1966 so the current day sheriff in 1992 is at the trial and goes on record saying
00:52:32
quote Kenneth McDuff is absolutely the most vicious and Savage individual I know he has absolutely no conscience and
00:52:40
I think he enjoys killing goes on to say had Kenneth McDuff been executed as scheduled from
00:52:49
his conviction in 1966 there's no telling how many lives that would have saved then we have some
00:52:57
interesting insights from a Dallas psychologist his name is Fred labowitz who after examining Kenneth mcduff's
00:53:09
crimes says McDuff is a guy that has no soul he says there is little in the history of criminal science or the study
00:53:19
of the Criminal Mind to account for Kenneth mcduff's sadistic conduct it goes on to say that this guy goes beyond
00:53:27
the study of human behavior the good doctor goes on to say in some people we can find behavior in
00:53:37
their childhood an absent father a drunken mother an abusive home but it appears
00:53:44
there was none of these it seems his incredible lust for evil appeared spontaneously and
00:53:51
fullblown no matter how thorough the studies of the T Bundy and Charles Manson's of the world none of this can
00:54:00
prepare us for an encounter with Kenneth McDuff I don't think we'll ever know how
00:54:05
many victims in total he actually had it's hard to say and I agree with a lot of
00:54:11
these comments and a lot of these quotes here that we're citing today because I agree I think that if he's out there if
00:54:19
he's a free man if given the opportunity he would kill and kill again and unfortunately he was rather efficient at
00:54:27
doing it and it's very difficult to say how many victims that we have we do know
00:54:34
that later in life as it got closer to his execution date now keep in mind Texas is not going to get this
00:54:45
wrong twice and they are going to make sure that they execute this monster and as they're getting closer to
00:54:54
his execution dat he's a rather physically sick individual by this time he has I believe hepatitis
00:55:02
C and sorosis A A he is having considerable liver problems at this point in his life
00:55:11
he did leave the prison on at least one occasion I believe it was maybe two or three occasions and led them to the
00:55:22
remains of some of his victims now he appeared to be trying to extort money from law
00:55:31
enforcement prior to leaving the prison and showing them where the remains were because he was requesting
00:55:39
$700 be placed into his personal inmate account and once the check cleared he would give them a body those were his
00:55:49
words right um there's no indication that anybody paid him a dime he may have just simply done this because he was
00:55:57
sick he was getting close to his execution date may have bought him a couple of extra days he may have just
00:56:03
wanted the field trip if you will out of prison one last time for a day or two he
00:56:10
did ultimately lead them to Colleen Reed's remains so he can say as much as he wanted back then that warley made up
00:56:21
the story I wasn't with warley well you were able to lead them to Colleen Reed's
00:56:28
remains and War's part of the story was he committed some of these crimes with you but was not with you when you killed
00:56:36
her so it's obvious to me that he's guilty of a lot of these crimes that he's suspected of he's guilty of every
00:56:43
crime that he was convicted of and as you said Captain it's difficult to say how many people he killed it's also
00:56:51
difficult to say how many lives would have been spared had he been locked up in remain locked up after his crimes in
00:56:57
1966 yeah an absolute monster good title for this Texas monster it's also interesting to hear
00:57:05
about when they're on death row and Captain you know me I try to be a positive guy try to be a positive
00:57:13
thinker and I want to be a positive person for everybody else out there but there are occasions when one
00:57:23
celebrates snuffing out of evil we talked about that with Joseph Duncan when he passed away there was a little
00:57:30
garage party that occurred that day we didn't have the garage back in 1998 but on November 17th in
00:57:38
1998 Texas State executed Kenneth Allen McDuff at the age of 52 at their Huntsville Unit in Huntsville
00:57:49
Texas he was pronounced dead at 6:26 p.m. central natural time after receiving a lethal
00:57:58
injection before he was injected McDuff was offered the opportunity which many of his victims were not offered the
00:58:07
opportunity to have a last meal a request for last meal at which he requested two T-bone steaks coca-colas
00:58:17
with all the fixen um it's been stated that the prison chef prepared hamburger and
00:58:26
shaped it into what a steak would be would look like and that's what they served him instead of the two T-Bone
00:58:35
Stakes that he requested I've seen other reports that state that he that he received exactly what he requested but
00:58:42
the other opportunity that he was afforded was to give a final statement or some last words to which McDuff said
00:58:51
quote I'm ready to be released Release Me after the execution one of Kenneth mcduff's
00:59:00
victim's mothers said I'm glad this is over my children are going to rest in peace now and he's going where he ought
00:59:08
to go I know where he's released [Music] to see want to thank you so much for joining us
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Pearlman built during Los Angeles's rapid growth in the Roaring 20s this Cecil Hotel was briefly a glimmering
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