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human torso and foot were found inside a building in the Bronx the suspect has been identified as Sheldon Johnson a
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criminal Justice activist who previously served time in prison all right Fox 5 Lind Schmidt live in the Highbridge
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section of the Bronx tonight with more on this surprising turn of events Linda yeah certainly surprising well
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first of all this guy said he had turned his life around after spending most of his adult life in prison in fact just
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last year he started working with the Queen's public defender office well now he is accused of shooting a man in the
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head in the apartment building right here behind me and then dismembering his body 48-year-old
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Sheldon Johnson of Harlem is charged with murder and concealment of a human corpse this is Johnson recently on Joe
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Rogan's podcast talking about how he had turned his life around after a life of crime he was working with troubled youth
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with the Queen's Public Defenders Office the shirt he is wearing says Queen Defenders I got into school I got my
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GED um from there I got involved in um correspondence courses I started interacting with God who were teaching
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art aggression replacement training and I started to begin to understand how these Concepts Works what's positive
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visualization is um deep breathing how to remove yourself conflict resolution well police say Johnson's Life Of Crime
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apparently was not over he is accused of shooting 44-year-old Colin small in the
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head in Small's sixth floor apartment on Summit Avenue and then dismembering his
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body detectives combing over potential evidence again today inside the apartment in the Highbridge section of
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the Bronx a law enforcement Source telling me they found a man's torso and foot in a plastic storage bin
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investigators also found the victim's head legs and arms in Johnson's freezer in his apartment building in Harlem the
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superintendent of the victim's apartment building saying a neighbor heard gunshots and surveillance video tells
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the story the tenant of the apartment when he came in he never came out so I called police because it's suspicious
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the super providing me with these surveillance pictures inside the building that allegedly show Johnson
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carrying bags in and out of the apartment building the day of the murder and changing his clothes several times
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as well as wearing disguises now today I also reached out to the Queen's public defender office where Sheldon Johnson
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had been working but they had no comment back inside to you [Music] [Music] that clip there is very recent news it's
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a clip from Fox News 5 out of New York and here is your headline this is from the folks over at The Daily News New
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York's Hometown newspaper the headline reads from jail to antiviolence leader to busted in torso sleigh freed
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after 25 years he becomes Advocate but now faces wrap in gruesome dismemberment that's the crazy headline
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they are talking about 48-year-old Sheldon Johnson Jr a man who goes to prison and is there for roughly 25 years
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due to his repeated violent behavior and crimes he gets out and then less than one year later according to New York
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courts is charged with murder well Sheldon is arrested for murder and dismembering the corpse when
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he's arrested he is photographed by the media his hands cuffed arms behind him he's being held by detectives wearing a
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suit and tie one on each side of Sheldon Johnson and he's wearing one of those Hazmat looking suits no face covering
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but a white ha matat type suit I believe this one is a tyvec brand suit with a hood and he has on his eyeglasses this
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whole story is shocking to a lot of people of course due to the nature of the crimes but we're also talking about this
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because this dude was thought to be a champion of Rehabilitation the poster child for reformed convicts who very
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briefly became a community leader now before we get too far into the weeds here Captain I'd like to say that the
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reporting on this story is a little difficult we should point out that there that we're getting varying accounts of
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some of the details here from the different news outlets now this is not because of anyone doing a poor job the
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story is just very very new the news teams are attempting to get the information correct but as we know the
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police are going to be holding on to information here like we would expect Johnson has been charged with killing
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another man in a New York City Apartment chopping him up and leaving his head in
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a freezer dismemberment has become a new theme on this show unfortunately and I'm
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hoping it's a theme that we can move on from at some point but yeah maybe next week we could do a missing person case
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the the stories keep finding themselves to us finding their way to us and this one was so startling in the
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news that we we had to discuss it here in the garage it's because it the unique nature of this story yeah and the short
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of it is that Sheldon Johnson Jr aged 48 he's a former felon who got out of prison less than one year ago he is also
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a prominent Criminal Justice Reform Advocate just last month in February of 2024 Sheldon Johnson was a guest on The
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Joe Rogan podcast he was interviewed extensively mainly for Joe and Sheldon to wax poetic discussing how screwed up
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the justice and prison systems are Sheldon was working with the Queen's Defenders Legal Group in New York before
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the arrest the NYPD is now accusing Johnson of shooting 44-year-old Colin small in Colin's Bronx apartment I'm
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going to read for you Captain a an article that provides a little more detail here so this is from the folks
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over at CNN and it says police were called to Smalls apartment that's Colin small the victim here after neighbors
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overheard gunshots coming from inside this is just from less than two weeks ago neighbors heard two gunshots
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and then two more shots The Source said police told CNN that when officers arrived they found an unidentified human
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Coro at the apartment the office of the chief medical examiner will determine the cause of death according to the
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NYPD Sheldon Johnson was at Colin Small's apartment when officers arrived okay so let's fill in the blanks here
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and paint this picture a little more Bob Ross likee let's be thorough right please do paint a couple Happy Trees the
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way that this story is being told in the news and from my understanding while it's seems like
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we're laying out facts yes these are the facts of the case I do think that there
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is still some mystery here in this case and in this story that I I'm hoping that
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we'll get all of those all of the blanks will be filled in as this thing makes its way through the court system right
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but the way that this is being reported is that neighbors heard some gunshots then they hear someone like pleading for
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their life and then they hear two more gunshots so to be clear two gunshots someone ping for their life a man's
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voice saying something to the effect of please don't I have family and then you hear two more
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gunshots now what was the first the first thing along the long road of surprising things in the story
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is those neighbors reportedly called the super the superintendent of the building
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yeah don't do that call 911 yes I and and I I do wish that those persons were here to tell us why they chose to I'm
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sure that there's some reasoning involved in why they chose to take that action but right let's not fault them
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they took action instead of doing nothing instead of fleeing instead of turning away or going oh that's probably
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nothing they at least called somebody notified somebody yeah they heard something they said something for all we
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know they call the superintendent and say I think you should call 911 now the cool thing is the superintendent has the
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ability to Grant access to the apartment to law enforcement so in a sense they're
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they're they're helping to provide that step right right away police don't have to show up and ask people what what's
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going on what's going on oh we can't get into the apartment we got to get a hold
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of the super so the superintendent calls 911 police show up on the scene they're
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giving access to the apartment now I want to say here Sheldon Johnson has said he's innocent of these charges and
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we'll get into the charges here in a minute the problem for Sheldon Johnson is that when police arrive at the
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apartment Sheldon Johnson is in the apartment the person who is living at the apartment Colin
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small is dead they find him dismembered with Sheldon Johnson in the apartment definition of caught red-handed this
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definition is going to get going to get it's like a you have a burrito and you have a burrito supreme this is
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red-handed Supreme buddy I I don't even know how this guy could say he's innocent but look he's this's a piece of
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[ __ ] we've said this plenty of times here in the garage one one problem you have with career criminals a person who
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who spends their lifetime committing crimes and reoffending reoffending reoffending most of the time
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those types the way that they're brought up and the way that they conduct their activities their offenses and their
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lifestyle is never admit to anything because the rest of the population some of them will break down and admit to
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something some of them their conscience will get the best of them and they will they will admit to something and for the
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most part you can never take that back right you're going to be sitting in court one day you're going to have
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appeals you're going to be sitting in a jail cell prison cell one day you can never take that back because anytime you
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have an argument for your innocence or a plea for leniency there's always the argument on the other side where they
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they immediately go but you told us you did it you said that you did it well if you're Jesse Miss Kelly you can confess
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and recant at least six times yes you could you could certainly do that I would I would wager a Franklin here that
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uh Sheldon Johnson while he's certainly not my favorite person in the world I would wager Franklin that he would be
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able to beat Jesse misskelly 10 times out of 10 in a game of tic-tac-toe so that's the problem with
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Jesse melly's uh confession so when police arrive on the scene they find the person that they are later
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going to charge with the murder in the residence in the home in the apartment of the person that they believe that the
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suspect killed Callin small when they show up they say we've all seen Law and Order we know how this plays out right
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police show up they go hey who are you are you the are do you live here no I don't live here and then the super
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standing behind him going yeah that's not uh that's not Colin small I don't know who that man is and then Sheldon
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Johnson tells the please oh no Colin small I know Colin I'm I'm here for reason a or Reason B maybe he's says
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he's collecting the mail or or doing something but he tells the police Colin's not here he's Upstate New York
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right now okay well inside the apartment with the person that they're later going to
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charge with the murder they find one of those those totes when it's a blue bin with the it's like a rectangle shape
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with the lid right right picture a giant a giant piece of Tupperware they open this thing up they
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take the lid off God inside they find a torso that's the unidentified torso of course immediately they're going to
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think they're going to just using the old eyeballs they're going to look at it and go that appears to be an adult male
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black torso the person that's missing from the apartment that lives here is is an adult African-American male so of
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course he's arrested now one part the reason why I went into the description of the picture that we see when he is
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being cuffed and being walked out by detectives he's being walked out that's not from the apartment building this is
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after he's been questioned read his rights and they went through all the formalities that you need to go through
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as said he doesn't admit to anything I imagine that when he has to be wearing that Hazmat type type suit when the
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police walk into the apartment right that that's a little bit of a red flag yeah not good right you don't usually
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find somebody just standing in an apartment wearing a hazmat suit all by their Lonesome now doesn't law
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enforcement find other body parts yeah so th this is where the reporting is a little tricky
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because and it's not really important what there's no again I these stories I do not like telling for for the sake
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that it's there's no comfortable way for me to say these words in these sentences
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you're just going to have to I have to say say it we have Colin small who's living in an in the Bronx we have
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Sheldon Johnson the suspect who's living in Harlem they both have their you know
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individual apartments and the Torso and some other parts are reported as being found in Colin Small's
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apartment in that bin in that that blue tupperware type large bin but then the other part
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that's going to make this very difficult for Sheldon Johnson to be found innocent
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by any jurors anywhere is that they found other parts of the victim at Sheldon Johnson's apartment in Harlem
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it's been report and and I don't want to get into all the the different reporting
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here but what seems to be consistent Captain is that the Torso of our victims found in the victim's apartment and the
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head of the victim is found in the apartment of the suspect yeah so let's think about this for a second please
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show up Hey where's the guy we're looking for not here oh well his torso is here and you're here oh you know
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nothing about this well let's go check out your apartment oh we find more body parts you don't know what happened you
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don't know how these body parts just ended up in your apartment you don't know how the
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victim's head showed up showed up in your apartment I mean some of the reports were saying that the victim's
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head was found in a freezer the icing on the cake is he's wearing this weird tyvec Hazmat type suit he's carrying a
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gun when he's arrested right so do you think his thought was that I'm going to take these body parts and and put them
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in these this Tupperware and then I'm going to walk out with a hazmat suit like to
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me the Hazmat suit maybe they're not going to be able to see your face maybe they're not going to be able to identify
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you but people are going to know you're going to draw a lot of attention to yourself wearing that stupid suit I
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think the suit he was only wearing it while he's in the apartment to handle and package everything up right to say
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politely because clearly what he appears to be doing to me he's making this large
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package smaller and he's slowly Johnny Cash one piece at a time removing it from victim's apartment
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returning to his apartment and then my guess is from there he would slowly his next move is probably to
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slowly discard these items somehow some manner throughout the city probably drive around throughout the city tossing
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them in random dumpsters unfortunately what Sheldon Johnson is not is dumb but also unfortunately what Sheldon Johnson
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is is evil and he's smart enough that I think he thought I'm going to make this guy
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disappear right and then there's no if if he disappears there's no body there's no m murder there's no suspect they will
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they will likely only investigate this so far if they hit the roadblock of going well we can't even determine if
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this guy was killed or not right A lot of times I think these criminals think if there's no body you can't have a
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conviction and they would be right in most cases we we have seen cases no body convictions is what they like to call
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them a nobody conviction but on the grand scheme of things when you look throughout the history of Law and
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convictions in the United States that's a relatively small percentage of the homicides in this country that that get
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a conviction with no body if you're playing the percentages you stand a better chance of not not being convicted
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but also think about the problems that that creates just for the investigation to figure out yeah even who the suspect
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is or should be and we don't know what he was going to do with the body parts I mean he could have mailed them out to
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people this guy is the evil twin of PCA not had yes a a a different version of another evil evil guy and the other
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strange thing here too that's alarming and this is another giant red flag remember red-handed Supreme here right
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burrito police very quickly obtain surveillance video of Sheldon Johnson entering the victim's AP apartment
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multiple times so he the victim lives on the sixth floor of this apartment building in the Bronx yeah so what that
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means is Sheldon Johnson after the night that he killed him so there's a there's
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a good period of time that goes by before he's actually caught red-handed in the apartment later and
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arrested he is seen on surveillance footage they have at least one camera that's positioned on the sixth FL floor
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that shows Sheldon Johnson or someone that looks identical to Sheldon Johnson yeah going from the elevator into the
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victim's apartment and then coming out of the victim's apartment and going back into the elevator and what he's doing is
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he's and you see in every little video and every picture there often times he's arriving getting off the elevator
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empty-handed and when he's leaving the apartment now he's got to he's got a what appears to be a gift bag in one
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picture he's got a trash bag in one picture he's got something that he's carrying it almost looks like a bowling
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ball bag in one picture so he's slowly taking a couple pieces at a time and getting them from the six floor
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apartment hopping onto the elevator and and he's dressed different every single time some of the reporting says that in
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at least one of the videos he appears to be wearing the victim's clothing clothing that belonged to the victim and
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in one of the videos a person who appears to be Sheldon Johnson looks like he's gone to Great Lengths to disguise
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himself he's wearing like the something over his face and a long blond hair wig and it's actually a very freaky
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scary looking image of him walking off of the elevator in this disguise I mean he's going to have to travel throughout
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back yeah people in the back get getting a lot of love yeah you notice uh this guy has more outfit changes than a
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Taylor Swift concert I know it reminded me of uh Sarah Jessica Parker when we were kids when she hosted the MTV Music
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Awards it's like every 15 minutes she she came out in a in a different outfit that was even better than the one before
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yeah so I'm looking at six different images of him leaving arriving to the apartment or leaving the apartment and
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all of them are clearly him he's in different outfits as you said and we talked about the one disguise in
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particular which is alarming I'm guessing he he would have had to enter the building dressed normally and then
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put the disguise on in the elevator because there's no way he would have been able to walk throughout New York
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City dressed in that freaky outfit the one with the long blonde hair and something strange blacking out his face
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yeah and just like that he was dressed like Sarah Jessica Parker but that is the image and that's the video that I
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first saw that Drew this case to my attention and went oh this is strange and the more I read about it there's so
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many similarities to the Luca magnata case in one of those images surveillance footage images he's seen arriving to the
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apartment with that blue bin that large Blue been that later they find the Torso
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and in some reports they they may have found a an arm other Reports say there there's the Torso in two feet where in
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can you imagine at trial what's going to happen when he tries to deny that that's
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not my tub well we have it on video you carrying the tub into the victim's apartment we now have the victim in
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pieces dismembered and parts of his body are found in this blue tub that you brought
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yeah so if I'm the prosecutor the first question I'm asking if he takes the stand and if he doesn't take the stand
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the first question I'm going to throw out to the jury is I would really like to know sir did when you arrived with
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the blue bin was the Torso already in there or did it not get in there until you got into the apartment right could
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jump in there by itself yeah it there is no defense for this guy is the way that I see it now I
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guess where there's some mystery that's still involved the the way that this man was killed
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44-year-old Colin small the the report is that he died from a single gunshot to the Head makes
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sense execution style makes sense with the evidence is what I'm saying because we have ear Witnesses who are saying we
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heard somebody pleading for his life unfortunately that's what you have here when someone's pulling off a murder
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execution style what doesn't make a whole lot of sense is that those same earwitnesses at least according to the
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reports I don't want to muck anything up for the courts here but according to the
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reports it's two shots pleading for his life followed by another two shots but this man's only killed with a single
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shot to the head as what has been reported so I'll give you verbatim one report here specific L the
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superintendent was called by a tenant who reported hearing two gunshots at around 1 a.m. after which she heard a
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man shouting please don't I have family end quote followed by another two shots the superintendent checked the closed
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circuit TV footage on Colin Small's sixth floor which captured a man later identified as Sheldon Johnson repeatedly
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exiting and entering the apartment in different clothes including hats a blonde wig and the same outfit the
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victim had been wearing when he entered the apartment they also found cleaning supplies so they believe that he was
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also arriving with cleaning supplies along with that blue bin and so this Hazmat type suit you can see how this is
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playing out he killed the man he's probably dismembering him in the bathtub oh God or shower would be my guess he's
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putting on this suit so he can dismember make this L package smaller one large package into many smaller
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packages not to get a bunch of blood evidence all over his clothing taking off that Hazmat type suit leaving in
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plain clothes with some of these small packages now the the reason where there is some mystery here is why the four
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shots and maybe later we're going to find out that that it wasn't just a single shot but the tenant is reporting
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several shots there's also a bit of a delay as it sounds here captain in the as far as the reporting goes that that
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the ear witness or ear Witnesses heard this stuff and then some time went by before it was reported to the super
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again we already talked about the confusing part that it's called into the superintendent who then calls
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911 I don't I don't see any mystery in the superintendent in the delay of him calling 9911 because as we know he's
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saying well I went and I checked the surveillance footage and then called 911 there is a a little bit of time that
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expires before police are at the scene and then Sheldon Johnson is caught as as you and I are saying red-handed
00:34:47
apparently these two knew each other for a long period of time and there's different reporting here again that some
00:34:54
reports state that Colin small and sheld and Johnson were friends were childhood
00:35:00
friends I can tell you on at least one day that they weren't friends that was on uh March 6th or March 7th I mean
00:35:08
that's how new this information is other reports state that they were Rivals I don't know I'm telling you
00:35:16
listening to the interview on Joe Rogan show look Joe Rogan does a great job as many listeners it's a good podcast he
00:35:27
does not need us to spend 10 seconds to tell people to go listen to his show I would love for him to spend 10 seconds
00:35:34
telling his listeners to come listen to our show yeah Joe but that episode in particular now I okay I'm sitting here
00:35:43
with the advantage of knowing what we know now when listening to that episode and I'm trying
00:35:52
very I'm giving it all my effort here Captain to not bring up the problems that I had with some of the
00:36:00
statements made by Sheldon Johnson and Joe Rogan during the course of that 2hour and 20 minute interview or
00:36:07
whatever it was like my God man that thing could have been 35 minutes and we would have walked away with the same
00:36:12
information but yeah the first thing here is even had I not known what I know today there was some Sheldon Johnson in
00:36:20
that interview comes off as sounding very intelligent very driven and and in a way I could see how he could Inspire
00:36:30
others to change or to grow as he claimed he did clearly we know that he didn't change clearly now we know that
00:36:37
he didn't grow yeah but there was something there was always that little hint there was always even and I I
00:36:44
kicked it aside and said ignore what you know now but there was something that didn't seem right and I thought you know
00:36:51
what I'm G I'm going to have to do a little background check little research on this guy prior to the event of of
00:36:58
this month right remember in the interview he spends a good deal of time talking about his sentence being injust
00:37:07
it was an unfair sentence what he was charged for he should have been sentenced to 25 years but he instead got
00:37:16
charged in sentenced to 50 years and I know what a lot of people were thinking immediately like yes I I want to be
00:37:24
clear here are there is our justice system perfect no it's not I would never say that is our prison system perfect no
00:37:31
I would never say that is it as screwed up as Joe Rogan and Sheldon Johnson spent two and a half hours telling you
00:37:40
that it is absolutely not absolutely not but my first problem with the interview
00:37:46
in itself is why are you going to have somebody that hasn't even spent a year out of prison he got out I believe in
00:37:54
May of 2023 yeah no23 look it makes sense if you want to talk about this subject with somebody
00:38:05
that has some intelligence and can speak to it from the opposite side of the law
00:38:12
right somebody that been through the system yeah talk to somebody that has been out of prison for 20 years 10 years
00:38:21
5 years and has committed no other crime there's a lot of people that they could
00:38:27
have talked to or he could even talk to individuals that they did a prison sentence and they weren't even guilty of
00:38:36
the crime take like the Central Park 5 if you want to talk about this subject but he had this person on and look
00:38:45
there's no fault to Joe it's not like Joe Rogan knew that this guy is going to go murder somebody and then dismember
00:38:54
them but come on the guy hasn't even been out out for 365 days of not committing a crime that's just somebody
00:39:02
I would not want to talk to well to expand on that and burrito supreme this thing a little bit Captain so yeah where
00:39:10
I don't I I agree with you 100% on what you just said I but I think and again I'm kind of making an assumption here my
00:39:18
guess is that the actual guest is this Josh duban who I believe from the interview my takeaway was that Joe has
00:39:27
had him on multiple times and he is the he's spearheading this uh fight wrongful
00:39:35
convictions create reform and and and resources for these persons to work themselves back into society and that
00:39:44
he's been on the show many times and that that he often brings a guest along with him right so I guess in Joe's
00:39:52
defense I don't know 100% how much Joe knew it about the the tagalong guest which would
00:40:00
be Sheldon Johnson and Josh Dubin does and the reason why I say that I know that Josh Dubin has been on the show
00:40:06
before I've listened to the show a handful of times it's a good show but I don't I'm not listened to the show
00:40:11
enough to have heard Josh Dubin on there before but he starts off the interview saying look Joe usually I bring somebody
00:40:17
with me that's been wrongly for wrongly convicted today I brought somebody with me who who was guilty and but this is a
00:40:24
different experience and we can talk about this and there's a lot of information there's a lot that America
00:40:30
can learn here where I would fault Joe Rogan and his team is maybe vet the guy even if it's after the fact because some
00:40:41
of the stuff that Sheldon Johnson was saying on the show just isn't true you know he's saying I was in justly
00:40:48
unfairly sentenced to 50 years when I should have only been sentenced to 25 and when you hear an africanamerican
00:40:57
man saying this of course sorry if I'm being small-minded here but I jumped to the
00:41:03
idea well did a bunch of white people unjustly sentence him to 50 years when it should be 25 and then I find out no
00:41:13
that the judge was African-American I hear Sheldon Johnson saying well I was I was charged for an
00:41:20
assault I I had a gun at the time of the assault I robbed a guy with a gun the guy owed me money he his claim is I gave
00:41:30
this guy on consignment I fronted him a bunch of drugs I got picked up jammed up
00:41:36
for something else something small time and this guy probably got it in his head
00:41:42
well he doesn't have to pay me back once he sells those drugs he can just go out
00:41:45
and spend the money because yeah Sheldon got jammed up well Sheldon gets out and
00:41:51
he tracks him down where's my money I don't have your money I spent it oh so now he's going to rob the dude
00:41:58
robs him at gunpoint and according to Sheldon Johnson's story as he tells it on the Rogan
00:42:03
podcast he hits the dude with the gun this is his words hits the dude with the gun I got 50 years he got two stitches
00:42:13
let's examine this a little bit further I found several reputable news sources reporting on that story back when he was
00:42:25
arrested and convicted of that situation that Sheldon Johnson explained to us in
00:42:30
his version of the story the real version of the story is he shot at the man he shot the man in the back like a
00:42:39
coward and he was actually charged with not assault and he wasn't just convicted
00:42:44
of assault he was convicted of attempted murder right this man is running from him he shoots him in the back so if he
00:42:55
got two stitches that could that could be the truth but those two stitches were stitching up a wound that for all we
00:43:03
know very likely Sheldon Johnson's intent was to fatally harm this man to shoot him to kill him if you're shot in
00:43:13
the back I don't care where it is on the back unless you're 15t tall that bullet
00:43:20
is about 6 in to 12 in away from from killing you anywhere could be the head could be the
00:43:27
heart could be the lungs lower admin is a horrible place to be shot at to to be shot as well most of those people bleed
00:43:33
out and that's not a way that's no way to go so he wants to spin it and tell us that oh I got 50 years because I hit
00:43:41
this dude with a gun yeah you hit the dude with a gun you hit him with a bullet from the gun well the main reason
00:43:47
why he got 50 and not 25 is after he shot the guy he yelled Bazinga well the the other problem I had with some things
00:43:55
he was saying on there was he was saying look the system is set up he's a real piece of [ __ ] is what this guy is he's a
00:44:02
cowardly piece of [ __ ] and the thing that I didn't like what he said was he even said let me try to be good for a
00:44:08
while and if that doesn't work out I can just always go back to doing bad [ __ ]
00:44:13
well he had said that you know part of the the system that's flawed is that you get picked up and you get a slap on the
00:44:22
wrist right you get get get a small charge you get a small punishment but what he says the problem
00:44:31
is is that the problem is that These Guys these young guys and other people don't know you get picked up on
00:44:40
something they're this is building a paper trail against you so when you get picked up again and again and
00:44:47
again eventually you can get 20 25 years for a simple assault and he says this is
00:44:56
entrapment and I say no Sheldon Johnson that's called a second chance it's called a third chance yeah yeah you he's
00:45:06
right you get picked up on a small charge you get a small punishment and he's right you could get 20 years on a
00:45:13
simple assault but guess who gets 20 years on a simple assault charge someone who has assaulted and assaulted and
00:45:19
assaulted and reoffended and reoffended again and again and again and that's who
00:45:23
Sheldon Johnson was so when we sit here and have to listen to him say that he was unjustly sentenced that it was an
00:45:31
unfair sentence of 50 years guess who got it right the judge has sentenced him to 50 years because if he had to spend
00:45:39
all that 50 years in prison Colin small might still be alive that's my big issue
00:45:44
when people want to com complain about sentences well they sentenced me for 50 years but you didn't serve it and that's
00:45:53
one of my big problems and I think one of the big flaws if you get 10 years you serve 10 years period oh you were on
00:46:00
your best behavior who gives a [ __ ] if you're not on your best behavior we're going to give you extra time that's how
00:46:08
it should work I mean if your kid is acting up and you say hey Sheldon go to your room and he goes to
00:46:17
his room and he starts blasting music and yelling curse words and whatever you go into his room and go hey you're going
00:46:24
to knock it off and if you want to keep acting this way way you're going to spend longer and and how many cases have
00:46:30
we covered where somebody got 15 20 years for rape or whatever they were charged with and they let them out in
00:46:39
five years or six years and then they went on to rape more people or to start killing people like maybe that's one of
00:46:46
the ways we could fix the system is what you're charged with is what you get and I don't understand that again I
00:46:53
just don't understand this notion of if you behave will give you less time nope if
00:47:00
you behave you're going to do the time that you were sentenced for if you don't behave we're going to give you more time
00:47:07
well that's that's the other part of it where where I want to go hey uh Mr Johnson rather than going on and on
00:47:15
about this unfair sentence of 50 years it the sentence of 50 years doesn't mean anything when you serve 24 of that when
00:47:23
when when you're when you I hear you telling me that the maximum I was supposed to be sentenced to is 25 years
00:47:28
well guess what that's what you served I don't understand what you're complaining
00:47:33
about 24 but if he was sentenced 25 he should have he should have served 25 what he's really trying to say maybe he
00:47:40
did serve 25 I don't know but it was it was roughly that yeah you know some Reports say 24 some say 25 he probably
00:47:47
got some time served for while he was waiting for this thing to go to trial right then the on and on talk about
00:47:56
being from a multi-generational family that that is has all gone to prison you know the the
00:48:05
his father went to prison his son went to prison his son attacked a a 24 year-old college student for no reason
00:48:13
they they didn't know each other he picked a guy at random on the street and and and started beating him up and that
00:48:20
that man tried to run from Sheldon Sun ran out into the street and got hit by a car and got killed
00:48:27
Sheldon Johnson's son got 10 months got 10 months for that one Sheldon Johnson's
00:48:33
father Shelton Johnson's father raped on more than one occasion his seven-year-old
00:48:43
stepdaughter um so I I look there is evidence to suggest that a person coming up that a young Sheldon would have a
00:48:53
more difficult time coming up if if his father's in prison if he's raised for a portion of his childhood without a
00:49:02
father but when we're when we're really trying to look and examine at all this stuff this this is what angers me and
00:49:10
why do we so quickly get away from the root of the problem the root of the cause the root
00:49:18
of the solution right it's not fair to say that there is evidence to suggest that somebody is
00:49:27
more likely to offend and commit crimes and end up in prison because their father was in prison you know why it's
00:49:34
not fair because why isn't the argument it's more likely that the child will end
00:49:40
up in prison not because his father was in prison but because his father was a piece of [ __ ] who was a rapist who broke
00:49:48
the law multiple times and that and that he had that this child had to spend time
00:49:54
with that person that this child was raised by that P person for at least a portion of their life I'd rather them
00:50:01
not be there to influence a young Sheldon well and I always tell people when we talk about parenting and and
00:50:11
things of that nature I always say I I believe kids learn more from seeing your behaviors than they're going to learn
00:50:19
from you saying do this or do that so you want your kid to read well just read around them and they'll see this
00:50:29
behavior and then they'll go oh well maybe I should read if if I'm going out and committing crimes the person goes
00:50:38
well maybe I could do that well I got good news for you Captain I have a book recommendation for you at the end of
00:50:44
today's show but the the other thing that angers me and I and I want to I want to jump
00:50:49
off of this here in a little bit because I'm getting worked up and uh uhhuh maybe
00:50:54
Circle back to the story a little bit it's time for you to eat a burrito and maybe an
00:50:59
enchilada yeah and maybe a qualude so I can calm down don't do that it's illegal
00:51:06
the other thing here too is they spent a good deal of time talking about how many
00:51:12
inmates this country has and look there's no getting around it I'm not trying to put I'm not trying to make a
00:51:20
great argument for oh I love the prison system I'm not trying to say that at all
00:51:24
what I'm trying to point out is that a lot of these problems that are discussed and brought up constantly are not such a
00:51:30
big problem okay yes at one time did we have the highest percentage of inmates population in out of any country in the
00:51:39
world yeah we did this country is a young country and it's had a violent history we we came in and and revolted
00:51:52
against the persons that that we fled from we a large portion of our history is Cowboys in the wild west we're not
00:52:04
too many generations removed from that but guess what today we don't have the highest
00:52:09
percentage so are we starting to correct if you think that's a huge problem I don't if you think it's a huge problem
00:52:17
maybe pump the brakes a little bit because we've worked to correct that we're we're slowly moving down that
00:52:23
list and here's one thing I want to point out like so they discussed that the the prison
00:52:33
population and they're going off of 2023 numbers because we're early in 2024 1.9 million people are currently
00:52:42
incarcerated in the United States Joe Rogan's response is God the system is so [ __ ]
00:52:50
up hey brilliant analysis there Joe that's some real in in-depth thinking why don't we pump the brakes a little
00:52:58
bit and and and look at the picture the whole picture 1.1 million people are currently
00:53:05
incarcerated in this country this is a country with a population of 330 million people that's not even 1% of not even 1%
00:53:15
of our population yeah is in prison and look 109 1.9 million people in prison if
00:53:23
that's a problem fine but can we examine this as it should be examined if I took
00:53:29
you would have to get up to look my I I didn't go to MIT or anything but my my math would tell me that you got to get
00:53:37
up to 300 and about 4546 million people to get this number to be two million people if you're going
00:53:48
to you know put together the math and the the percentages to get this number to be 2 million people so let's pretend
00:53:54
that it's 2 million people let's play with some some easy math here that does not seem like a problem to me think
00:54:01
about this equation let's take 330 people or if we want the math to be correct 345 people let's put them on an island
00:54:12
and then let's introduce things that are natural well natural or unnatural or undesired behaviors and influences and
00:54:20
variables but that actually exist in the real world yeah because we're not Bean counters these aren't just numbers these
00:54:28
are people in real living situations that we're discussing here let's put 345 people on an island and then let's
00:54:36
introduce money drugs sex guns greed perversion and the list goes on and on I would be surprised if you're only
00:54:50
kicking two people off of the island cuz that's all prison is we've decided guess
00:54:55
what that jerk and that [ __ ] they're too terrible they're too violent they're a menace to society they cannot live in
00:55:00
our society they cannot live on our Island we voted them off right send them to Australia I'm telling you man if you
00:55:09
would be surprised at how well behaved and how good that system appears when you look at it from that angle they're
00:55:17
kicking off more than two people from that Island I'm telling you right now in fairness to Joe Rogan though his show is
00:55:24
live and I think sometimes you could say something like oh man that's a lot of people or wow man the
00:55:32
system's so messed up and then he might you know an hour later go well actually when you do the math it yeah it could
00:55:39
just be a knee-jerk reaction didn't have a chance to think it out um yeah I mean
00:55:43
I've talked you know politics or cases people come up and say you know Scott Peterson I I think he's innocent and
00:55:51
this is why XYZ and you and in the moment you're just kind of going well that's interesting in and I don't agree
00:55:58
with anything that they were telling me but so I I I would I'd want to have the benefit of
00:56:06
the doubt so I'll give Joe Rogan the benefit of the doubt but and that's fair and that's right to do because and I I'm
00:56:13
sorry and I will do so as well because it's not easy to talk with a microphone in front of your face anybody that
00:56:20
thinks that it is I I would suggest maybe give it a shot look the captain has told me Colonel I can tolerate you
00:56:28
as long as you say less than dumb less than three dumb things an episode and every time when we hit the stop button
00:56:36
he goes well you met your quota again this week um so you know it's not easy and I certainly say some dumb
00:56:43
things and probably said a few things uh that are dumb today and as you pointed out Joe Rogan show is live I would
00:56:50
imagine there's some editing involved but his Show's live I'm maybe after this episode he'll want our show to be dead
00:56:57
no Joe Rogan's a big fan of people from Columbus Ohio well here's okay so here's
00:57:02
some other suspicions and some things that I want and the things that will need to get sorted out
00:57:08
so Colin small while he at times in his life has not has not been in an angel as
00:57:16
well I mean he ended up in prison for a long period of time as well but this and
00:57:23
his family didn't deserve this no absolutely not and and and look he might have actually changed his ways he might
00:57:30
have actually grown up and changed his ways where what we have the flip side of that coin is a Sheldon Johnson Jr age 48
00:57:39
who clearly has not changed his ways all he did was repackage his bad self and he
00:57:45
sold us his the new Sheldon Johnson which was a lie it all was a lie Bazinga and so some reports that they're old
00:57:56
childhood friends other reports are that they were Rivals we do know that Sheldon
00:58:01
Johnson was what he says was a high ranking member of the Bloods and that he walked while in prison he walked away
00:58:10
from the gang life I it it looks I actually believe that he probably never did he just convinced the rest of us
00:58:17
that he did well and he said he told everybody on the show well I was going to try to be good for a while and then
00:58:24
if I can't do that I'll just go back to being bad that's that is a person that's
00:58:29
a pile of [ __ ] it's not that hard to be good it's not that hard to live a life
00:58:36
of kindness to try to treat other people the way you want to be treated I mean there's so many simple rules that if
00:58:45
this country would just start following them it would be a way better place just
00:58:49
treat people how you would want to be treated show people a level of respect stop being such fragile men the best way
00:58:59
to determine and expect what could be future behavior is looking at past behavior and what did Sheldon Johnson do
00:59:10
in the past he got locked up for something small got a short little time in jail and by his own words his own
00:59:18
admission he tells us I got out and then I went after the people that I fronted drugs to or that did did something to me
00:59:27
before I went in because they thought that I'd never they thought that I got jammed up and I wouldn't come after him
00:59:33
that's what he did he and he according to his interview he says he he did that not on one occasion when he hit the guy
00:59:39
with the gun which we now know means shot him in the back he did that on multiple
00:59:44
occasions according to his interview and now let's cross-examine that or or examine that thought with the
00:59:53
idea of what we're being told that Colin small him they've known each other since
00:59:57
childhood whether they were friends or Rivals it's hard to say it's been reported both ways both served lengthy
01:00:04
prison sentences were they rivals or friends in prison were they both at sing sing at the same time did he get out and
01:00:11
then decide to go after this guy who may have changed his ways who who the Colin
01:00:18
small was out for years several years before he was killed by Sheldon Johnson right so we talk about past behavior
01:00:28
that suggests to me maybe he did actually change his ways unlike Sheldon Johnson who gave Sheldon Johnson a gun
01:00:35
that's the other mystery that we need to figure out here because regardless of him being out being paroled he's not
01:00:41
allowed to have a gun I don't think Sheldon is that concerned with following laws but have fun with flags in prison
01:00:50
you pile of [ __ ] he tells us in the interview that he's uh an authoritarian that he likes rules that he's a big rule
01:00:57
guy Well turns out no no no you're not Sheldon he also likes to lie yeah you're a big liar is what you are why is what
01:01:06
we need to sort out now and I'm sure that I'm sure the NYPD they're a good outfit they'll figure this thing out the
01:01:13
the detectives that they showed in the arresting photos of Sheldon Johnson and from from what little words
01:01:23
they have said to the media they appear to be on top of it I have a lot of confidence
01:01:28
that they're going to get this thing right it helps it yeah red flag Supreme here with this guy red-handed
01:01:35
Supreme and I I think that they'll make short work of Sheldon Johnson he he thought his last sentence was
01:01:44
unjustified with 50 years instead of 25 he only served 25 from everything we're being told it it doesn't matter what the
01:01:51
words are right it really matters the time and it turns out that that it all equaled out in the end and unfortunately
01:01:57
he hit the streets again and he showed us his real true colors and it's a shame because when I heard the interview I
01:02:06
thought this guy sounds like somebody who's very capable of doing some good things and the persons that he was
01:02:15
talking with Joe Rogan and Josh Dubin two persons that are not only capable of doing good things but have done good
01:02:24
things yeah yeah have done a lot of good things it's it's just a shame because you hear something like this and while I
01:02:31
did not agree with everything that they were saying while I did not agree with everything that they were that they were
01:02:37
picking apart and had a problem with I liked to hear the discussion taking that at least we're having the discussion and
01:02:46
at least it's in a a in a forum and on a platform that thousands hundreds of thousands if not millions of people
01:02:55
could hear it well no and I think it's a good way to live life if you start thinking if we could just
01:03:02
change one% get 1% better every day if I can just treat people a little bit better than I treated people yesterday
01:03:11
if we can get the prison system just 1% better every day if we could get Washington just 1% better every day
01:03:22
where would this country be at where would we be at as as a race a human race so we are all capable of it and we're
01:03:30
also all capable of more but like you said I I totally agree it it does start with having a conversation because you
01:03:37
need to take a good look of where you're at and where you want to get to and what
01:03:44
steps you have to take to get there and this guy was given you know he complained that
01:03:50
there's no resources there's no breaks to these people when they get out which again it's hard to take him at his word
01:03:58
because we know he's a liar and number two he right after saying look there's no resources for when these guys get out
01:04:06
and then he shouts out five six people organizations that helped him when he got out so right both can't be true but
01:04:15
what what's a shame here and very disappointing is this Colin small lost his life he he pled and begged for his
01:04:24
life this man showed him no mercy didn't even have the human decency to to spare his
01:04:31
life didn't didn't have this man is evil he deserved every minute of that 50 years that he was sentenced to I'm
01:04:41
confident he will never get out again he will never have the opportunity to reoffend outside the walls of a
01:04:48
prison but beyond the loss of life here it's really a shame that people like the Queen's Defenders who he worked
01:04:59
for who's an organization that I'm sure is doing great work for those persons that he shouted out and organizations
01:05:06
that he gave a shout out to for helping him when he got out they're doing good work too and it's
01:05:14
not easy work because a lot of times doors just don't open up for these organizations that want to represent
01:05:21
convicted persons felons convicts doors don't just most of the time they don't just open up they got to do a lot
01:05:29
of work and a lot of effort and they got to show they got to show that this is a
01:05:34
good thing that we are doing good work to earn the the The credibility and the respect of funding and and where that
01:05:43
funding comes from and Shelton Johnson may have taken a big huge you know one giant step for
01:05:50
man one big leap for mankind or whatever that that saying is this is a giant leap
01:05:54
backwards for those organizations with with somebody who was in ways the face of some of those those
01:06:04
groups and so while he this guy got every Advantage he got all these people helping him and working for him and
01:06:13
helping him to get out and become a free man and this is what he did with that [Music]
01:06:24
freedom [Music] you could be anywhere in the world and you're here with us and we want to thank
01:06:34
you Colonel do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful listeners yes of course we do Captain this week we are
01:06:40
recommending in the belly of the Beast by Jack Henry Abbott it was funny when I was listening to The Joe Rogan podcast
01:06:49
interview with Sheldon Johnson I kept thinking about this book and then it some point this book is actually brought
01:06:58
up during their conversation this book is truly like it's like the prequel to what we are talking to talking about
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today so Jack Henry Abbott the author was in prison when he wrote the book and the book consists of letters that he
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wrote to Norman maylor about his experiences and what Abbot was calling a brutal and unjust prison system Abbott
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gets paroled in 1981 the same year that in the belly of the Beast was published the book was very successful but that
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same year shortly after his release Jack Henry Abbott kills Richard Aden during a
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dispute at a restaurant in the East Village of New York City he is arrested convicted and ever so quickly finds
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himself back in prison this time for the rest of his life check out in the belly
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of the Beast you can find that great recommendation along with many other great recommendations on our recommended
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