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foreign [Music] we discussed three murders yesterday and unfortunately there will be more today
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we start off with neural Renfro who was a 50 year old millionaire his business Gold Coast Realty and investment was
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booming Renfro was not out in fact none of his friends had any idea that he was gay
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he apparently liked to hang out in the company of young men entertaining them at his home or at his mountain cabin
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on December 19 1982 Renfro was hosting 18 year old John Oren Biggs who answered an ad placed by
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Renfro for a live-in caretaker for his house this was a house in a modest but nice neighborhood of Bakersfield but
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this house was noted for its fortress-like bars on the windows and neighbors said that the shades were
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always drawn anyway Renfro and Biggs were playing pool and Renfro made a pass at Biggs
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Biggs said he let it go but when it happened again a few minutes later Biggs grabbed a fire poker and bludgeoned
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Renfro 40 times over the head Biggs was then rifling through the house looking for cash and then he stole
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renfro's car and went and picked up a friend this is 18 year old William Blankenship
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the two returned to the house and stole a safe but were later very disappointed when they found the safe contained
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nothing of value Biggs was arrested and charged with renfroe's murder his defense was a
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variation of the quote gay Panic defense they allege that Renfro was a pervert and Biggs attack on him was prompted by
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renfro's advances it turns out and it appears that neural Renfro had a history he on at least three prior occasions
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lured young men to his house using the ad for employment made advances and then actually raped one of these men
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his house was found to be missing interior door knobs the doors required a deadbolt key to open them so one could
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not always leave of their own free will once inside it's kind of like the Bundy method that he used in his car but
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inside his house a Renfro the Pierce may have been a violent sexual predator Biggs was ultimately convicted for
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killing him but only for voluntary manslaughter and he served only three and a half years even though he had a
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rap sheet going back eight years this is going back till when he was about 11 years old he didn't get a
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double charge for manslaughter plus you know robbery my notes only state that he was
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convicted of voluntary manslaughter it might not have pressed charges if they stole the safe and there was nothing in
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it though so that's a possibility well his rap sheet going back to when he was 11 this included things like assault
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and battery shooting at police extortion robbery and burglary wow so this is viewed as basically a slap on
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the wrist and it did outrage many people at the time particularly gay rights activists who believed that Biggs got
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off easy because simply because Renfro was gay yeah but see here's here's the issue
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again we have we have a case where somebody ends up murdered and then we have robbery and some other things that
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went down during the commission of that murder we have allegations that are brought forward against the man who is
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is now dead and unable to defend those allegations it's this is a whole big messy story
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and around that same time we have William tayak he threatened shot and killed two gay
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neighbors after some kind of Confrontation and it appears he did so simply because
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they were gay right it's hate crime yeah yeah so this has a similar outcome tayak was convicted of only involuntary
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manslaughter of one of the men despite having threatened to kill them and then bragging about it afterwards one writer
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said of the result quote this case would reinforce a national impression of Bakersfield in Kern County being a place
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where violence against gays is tolerated end quote in the wake of these verdicts
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the State Attorney General was convinced to take a look at whether homosexual victims of violent crime were being
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shortchanged in Kern County well there were a lot they were for a long time in history 60s 70s 80s it seemed that there
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was a contradictory history in the Kern County Justice System some killers of gay men got light sentences despite the
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Law and Order approach Kern County prided itself on while some well-connected powerful gay men escaped
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scrutiny or got off easy to despite having sex with minors it's really a situation where you see
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all this going on and you have to I mean you can only throw your hands up in the air and go what is going on here
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right what truly is going on here then we have Attorney General John Van de camp
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he established a commission on racial ethnic religious and minority violence Los Angeles attorney Thomas Coleman
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headed up the investigation of the Biggs and the tayak trials in which the defendants received light sentences
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allegedly because of the homosexuality of the victims Coleman said quote what you're talking about is corruption
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whether the victim is gay or not the presence of sexual orientation as a factor has in the past at least given
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the appearance of unequal treatment end quote after studying the situation he established a campaign against hate
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violence and encouraged stiffer penalties for cases involving violence against certain groups including gays it
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was a start but it did not address the systemic problem embodied by the Lords of
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Bakersfield yeah and this is going to heat up too because one of the activists and one of the people leading this
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charge for stiffer penalties uh is actually going to be murdered Marshall Jacobson was a 48 year old millionaire
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real estate and criminal defense attorney in Bakersfield and he spoke in front of the Kern County Crime
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commission urging these harsher sentences for criminals who perpetrated violent crimes
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against homosexuals Jacobson himself was gay and known to frequent the baker's field Greyhound bus
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station apparently this was a popular meeting spot for men and where Ed buck had also been known to frequent
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Bakersfield Police knew about Jacobson and had looked into allegations of sexual misconduct made by an underage
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boy but charges were never filed then at the bus station he met Randy Ray backin
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who was 19 years old and this man went on to live with him for eight months Jacobson provided food lodging and a job
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including tuition for school but required sex in return yeah he's a sugar daddy beckon wasn't gay and he said
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later that he was disgusted by the relationship but he needed a roof over his head
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he resented Jacobson and he broke the house rules in fact he skipped school two days in a row when this happened
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Jacobson kicked him out and back and left the house he returned a week later demanding entry
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into the home and even climbing Over The Back Fence then he went inside the unlocked sliding doors
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once inside he stabbed Jacobson in the stomach 10 or 11 times and then he proceeded to rob the house
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he drove Jacobson's car full of stolen goods all the way to Los Angeles and he sold the car then he tried to escape to
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Mexico but he was turned in by a friend of Jacobson's who he had called for help
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here the lenient sentencing ran out back in got life without the possibility of parole but again it was a case of an
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older man surrounding himself with young men and one who ended up killing him and
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yeah this is going to bring us to the year of 1998. so depending on who you talk to
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a number of years passed before any more murders occurred this seemed to have anything to do with the patterns
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surrounding possible members of the Lords of Bakersfield as you said Captain 1998 we have Sid
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Sheffield who was a prominent education and health activist in town he was found
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stabbed to death in his mobile home the murder weapon was a knife and he was robbed police discovered that he was
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leading a secret life one that did not go with his Public Image at the time he was promiscuous very social and was said
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to have no enemies and possibly was last seen with a young man in a cowboy hat at
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a local bar this case to this day remains unsolved and to be perfectly fair and transparent
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no one is really sure whether it has a connection to the Lords of Bakersfield or not but it's often brought up during
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those discussions yeah it's a similar situation we have a tough time figuring out what
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cases to include and what not to include and again who depending on who you talk
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to that can change drastically so let's go to 2002. because this is where things really
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really start to to fall apart okay we have 57 year old Bakersfield assistant district attorney Stephen tauser
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he had a public image of the caring do-gooder the public servant a good samaritan
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who took a drug addicted youth under his wing this kid was Lance Hillis who knew
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Stephen since Lance was five years old his father Chris worked for Stephen tauser as a district attorney
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investigator after he spent several years in the Bakersfield Police Department tauser was gay it was considered an Open
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Secret and he seems to have fixated on this young man Lance who was under the age of 18 when
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talzer started grooming him got involved with meth at the age of 16. and was not welcome at his home at his
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parents home because he was doing drugs talzer took advantage of this situation and offered Lance a safe haven a place
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where he could stay at first Lance stayed at tosler's home for several months but he told a friend he wasn't
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comfortable there and he was there just for the food and for the clothes and for
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a place to sleep now he would leave but he would always end up going back to tallser's home this
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mostly when money ran out for the drugs that he was yeah it seemed like as one of his
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only options once in a while when he left he would take one of tulsar's cars to which
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Stephen talzer would call the police but would never end up pressing charges for
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a stolen vehicle the police knew that talzer was spending a lot of time with this young man when
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Lance finally got his own apartment tallser co-signed the lease and it doesn't seem like anybody's really
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sure how Lance was actually paying the monthly rent but you don't have to use much of an imagination to come up with
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an idea so speculation of course was talzer was paying and he was a regular visitor to
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Lance's home talser continued to supply Lance with food credit cards lodging a car and a
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friendship such as it was yeah he was providing him with a little FNS well Lance continued into a downward
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drug spiral he was stealing he was crashing cars and he was injecting drugs into his veins
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his family was extremely anxious among other feelings for him to kick this drug habit they actually wanted him
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sent to jail they thought that this would be truly the only way to break the cycle of addiction that really had
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had a hold on this guy right so taller used his assistant district attorney influence to get Lance off
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anytime he was charged with stuff [Music] so Lance would just be facing rehab rather than facing jail time gone this
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is I mean it's not that far of a stretch to look at this situation and go like but
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this is like sexual trafficking in a sense you know by by enabling this person or possibly
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giving them the money for drugs maybe you're not injecting their form but you're basically creating the situation
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now that you have an addict that they're dependent on you for drugs are dependent
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on you for financial situations and then you're they're you're using them for sex
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I mean that's sex trafficking well it's also believed that Not only was Lance being sent to rehab because of
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talzer rather than jail but it's also believed that like any time there was a chance that Lance was going to encounter
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a tough judge in one of these charges that he would conveniently have the case moved to a different Court
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so again he could just get rehab so this happened repeatedly to the incredible frustration of Lance's family
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whenever Lance was in rehab talzer was a regular visitor even when Lance assaulted a worker at one of the rehab
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facilities tulsar had the incident buried Chris Hillis new tosser for years both in his role on
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the Bakersfield Police Department and at the DA's office and because he had done
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extensive renovation work at Stephen tallser's home he was getting desperate to save his son
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Lance he had Lance arrested in an attempt to save him from his meth and heroin addictions
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already a man with a temper who had been written up for the use of excessive force five times as a police officer he
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lost it when he was confronted with the reality that Stephen talzer's relationship with his son was far from
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that of a mentor relationship but was really a sex for drugs and money Arrangement the Hillis family realized
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that tallser had preyed upon their teenage son's desperation for drugs and abused him Chris Hillis confronted
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talzer in August 2000 and demanded to know what the obsession was with his son this ended in a violent confrontation
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which we have Chris who ends up hitting talzer and then calling the sheriff's department
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when the responding officers arrive he's telling them that tallser was inappropriately involved with his son
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Lance the sheriff's department refused to file a report rallying around the district attorney
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the assistant district attorney tosser ended up with a black eye and nothing else
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when Lance continued to be arrested for drugs and thanks to tosser's intervention to
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be sent to rehab instead of jail right the Hillis family truly felt that their hands were tied and that this man
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corrupted their son and there was little if anything that they could possibly do
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about it yeah well he corrupted their son and now he's corrupt in the system which is consistently enabling their son
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yeah and because their son is an adult and when a lot of this is going down it gets complicated for them to step in and
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try to get involved or you know take the reins and and really steer what's going on here now
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Lance's grandfather did just that he was a former Bakersfield Police Officer his
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name's Don Hillis he recommended to Lance's probation officer in January of 2001 that Lance
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should do six to nine months in jail just to get him cleaned up Lance's brother a probation officer for
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Kern County himself agreed to this and multiple probation officers continually recommended jail for Lance
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but tallser continued to intervene and once again Lance avoided jail time in July of 2002 Lance was enrolled in
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progress house this is a rehab facility in Sacramento this time Lance escaped from the rehab house
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he stole a car and he crashed into a truck unfortunately he died instantly during
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this accident this was on August 7 2002. this ripped up his family overcome with
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grief and rage Chris Hillis Lance's father murdered Stephen talzer on September 13th
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talzer was found dead in his garage with a knife sticking out of his head the Hillis family believed that if it
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were not for Stephen Tozer then their son Lance would still be alive yeah initially the father denied being
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involved he eventually pleads guilty to the crime and he is hit with 10 years for involuntary manslaughter right for
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voluntary mans for voluntary manslaughter and which is going to be a little bit different because the other
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charges those guys were getting about three years he's going to get 10. yeah Chris Hillis got out of prison in 2013
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he runs a drug rehabilitation facility in Bakersfield called Lance's Haven now the tulsar Hillis case brought to
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the Forefront some of the Old Wounds dating back to the late 70s and early 80s to the time when multiple murders of
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male Predators occurred by the hands of younger victims but now it was 2002. a different time
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what was overlooked back then was recognized in 2002 as pedophilia yeah illegal sex with minors and an old boy
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network of corruption and cronyism that talser had continued to get away with using his considerable power and
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influence to control the life of this young man to do him favors with big strings attached was shocking and
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disturbing and the fact that so many impositions of public service and influence looked the other way was
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horrifying they didn't protect Lance Hillis instead they handed him back over and over again to a predator
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the case gave rise to the expose in the Californian that dredged up all the old lords of Bakersfield tales and people
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realized that much of those old Legends were rooted and true [Music] [Music] all right cheers everybody and make sure
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you you don't be a douche canoe go to the store Page and except pick up a koozie or something
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the hat is awesome there's there's actually several hats there's several awesome things pick up the hats I'm
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sorry I'm just lost in this whole story I mean I'm I'm like swimming Through The
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Madness of what what this could be or what it completely is not you know what I mean yeah all right well here's the
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difficult thing is what was happening wasn't recognized correctly on what was actually happening
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and then but but does that mean because of all these um basically you have the murder victim
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was actually victimizing somebody beforehand or accused of doing so right and all those murder victims are
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um of gay orientation or is it files and there's a big difference and then on top of that just because they're of
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power doesn't mean they're necessarily connected and you know what we're going to get to some some bigger things
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regarding this story here in just a second but really truly Captain I feel like there's
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a hundred different angles that you could look at this story from and I'm not certain that any of them are well
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the correct angle to approach it from there's a lot of angles that you don't want to look at this that's true so but
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but the major point of the story is to buy the Hat yes no get the Hat do that all right
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let's get into uh one time Bakersfield district attorney Ed jagels Chris Willis says that he begged those
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are his words I begged jagel's in multiple phone calls to and letters to take steps to reign in
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his second in command which was Stephen talzer what you're talking about Willis and get him away from his son Lance
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Hillis jagel's response was that Lance is an adult and in interviews when asked about
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the Scandal that culminated in tulsar's Murder jagels insisted that talzer was like a
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Godfather to Lance who saw the young man as quote a project and who only had Lance's best interest at heart
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the district attorney for Kern County is a powerful position right but he this guy also seems
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a little bit like a [ __ ] bag so what he's stating he's the prosecutor right it's a district attorney
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they technically both can be prosecutors okay so the district attorney his second in control is saying to him
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hey you did wrong here right and he's saying no I did not do anything wrong that's where in these situations it
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makes you wonder is it just because of the high power they're in or is it the money
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right is he protecting the person because of the high power or the protecting the person from the money but
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either way it seems like this a district attorney is a little bit of a [ __ ] bag
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it goes back to back to all the different angles that you could look at this from to where you
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you could also make the argument that what Ed jaggles is saying is the truth that Lance was an adult
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and that I mean we don't know how much he may have known or what he did know and was
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turning a blind eye to right the the the thing here is when this man retired after more than 25 years as a
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D.A Ed jagel's famously boasted that during his tenure Kern County had the highest per capita prison commitment
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rate of any major California county his mission was a Law and Order crime policy
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sort of ironic since the Lords of Beggars field in many cases seem to be allowed to do their thing with virtually
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no legal consequences and this did occur too under his watch right several of them should have been prosecuted for
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rape statutory rape and crimes against children district attorney Ed jagels was in office since the early 80s and it's
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the opinion of many that jagels was complicit in helping brush the Lords of Bakersfield Scandal completely under the
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rug he may not have just been looking the other way he as you pointed out may have actually helped to protect some of
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those people that should have been prosecuted jaggles is best known for his campaign
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that he initiated in the 80s to root out child sex abuse right so with all these
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rumors going on about the Lords of Baker Fields instead of investigating this they're going to go after
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the middle class well lower middle class citizens okay for so-called Satanic ritual child sex
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abuse and molestation that this is so bizarre was not actually happening so jagel's put
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26 people these were teachers and even parents in some situations behind bars on felony child sexual abuse charges
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this all during the 1980s this was during the period of a national child sex abuse Panic where daycares and
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schools were accused of horrific abuses of kids this was sort of a satanic Panic
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involving children now under jaegel's 26 convictions were secured on what is arguably zero to little evidence
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of these 26 convictions 25 were actually eventually overturned Kern County has paid out over 9 million dollars in
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wrongful conviction settlements a 2008 documentary called Witch Hunt narrated by Sean Penn details this story I
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actually believe uh Sean Penn was one of the producers on this as well and to be
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clear it wasn't that there was little to no evidence what a lot of in these a lot of these
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situations were happening was they're rounding up these kids and basically getting them to just confess to anything
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but not ever coming up with the story themselves so they coerced all these uh stories and all these allegations
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basically out of thin air right they didn't bother to go find any evidence to back up these right accusations or these
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stories by by children and so what this leads to is all of these well 25 of the 26 convictions
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being overturned and then in 1999 a Pulitzer prize-winning book entitled mean Justice a true account of a Town's
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Terror a prosecutor's power and a betrayal of Innocence exposes jagel's tactics including presumption of guilt
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manufacturing or embellishing evidence persuasive interrogations prosecutorial misconduct
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despite all of this Diego's continued to be re-elected and Bakersfield embraced its role as the poster City for the
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quote tough on crime movement its Mock's slogan was come for vacation and leave on probation lost better than their last
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slogan um come on vacation but only if you have some money and you're of power so what does all of this have to do with
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the Lords of Bakersfield Legend well what's being pointed out here and has been pointed out by many is that the
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lock Em Up D.A seems to have overlooked the activities of various businessmen politicians and social Elite that were
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going on right under his nose many believe he was complicit in shoving The Dana Butler murder and the Glenn Fitz
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situation his likely involvement in that murder under the rug by refusing to prosecute and investigative reports by
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Rolling Stone magazine stated that many Bakersfield residents concluded that jagel's child abuse campaign was
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possibly intended to divert attention away from illicit sexual behavior of the city's ruling Elite right a former
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investigator for the DA's office under jaegels told the magazine Rolling Stone magazine that the 1980s molestation
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trials were simply jagel's allies among the Lords of Bakersfield covering their tracks by going after other people
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now we should mention here that Robert mistrell the the man that we've mentioned a lot throughout this
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case yeah he actually named jagels as one of the men who sexually abused him I'm going to step in for a little bit
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and throw my own two cents in here on this this my my humble opinion if you will
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it seems to me and I talked to a friend about this who agreed we were discussing
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this case and it just it seems like Robert mistrell while I believe him on some level it seems like he has just
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spewed out so many names over the course of all of this it just doesn't seem plausible that they
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were all sexual abusers of children at some point it at some point you really got to
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question these allegations now Ed jaegel's retired from the DA's office in 2009 and he's never been
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prosecuted for all of the wrongful convictions he inflicted upon innocent people right which is pathetic
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so the legend of the Lords of Bakersfield truly it's it's just a vague Specter of
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predatory alliances and abuses of power to me and to others I I got to say man it
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doesn't seem that there is real tangible punishable uh ring of abusive men it seems more like this might be a wink
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wink Association and a look the other way type of Tolerance yeah it's a difficult situation here
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because one you know he's naming what 150 possible Predators [Music] um you know the average Predator I don't
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know the exact number but I know it's the high 200s of roughs rough estimated victims a predator would have
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so if you have 150 possible predators in that area would probably see then 20 000 victims and why aren't we having
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more of these victims come forward uh and and present this so I think but then it's it's a sticky
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situation no pun intended with the Lords of bakerfields because you wonder a couple things one
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is it these people in power that are using this sick fetish of pedophilia to control each other
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and have one have something on top of each other right have something over the other person who can to be able to
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control them or blackmail them or is it just they're protecting these Predators because of wealth
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or or their or their position of power so it becomes and I would lean to the latter two then
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that it's some giant group with some giant conspiracy if that makes any sense at all well no I
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think it does and it's only because because I've been you know waiting in these weird waters
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for for a while now and really trying to come up with an answer myself and thinking that you know what the more I
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look at this case and the more that I dive into these different avenues that go off the main road of this case here
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that I think that I'm going to find my answer unfortunately I didn't like I said there's also other cases that that
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some consider to be connected to this and I may not have gone down the right Road
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off of off of the main road yet to find that but in the end my my general opinion is the
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look there was illegal activity going on we can't deny that we also can't deny that there were plenty of murders going
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on as well yeah but there's also a situation where some people may just not have known everything that was going on
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or known what was at the root of a murder or at the root of of this whole mess and and therefore didn't take
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actions against any of that you know there is a certain there's one thing to turn a blind eye to
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something and there's another to just be blind to it and not know what is going on
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and I think in this situation I was really going to try to avoid giving my my personal opinion
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but I I think that I think I've walked down that path enough where I I think I gotta try to to
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give this some kind of conclusion it's gonna say we're good we'll just stop here okay
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buy the hat look it's it's very difficult with so many characters misdeeds and variables to really figure
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out and state what was really going on in Bakersfield for all these years was there in fact an underground Network
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hiding in the shadows and pulling strings and were these murders many of them still unsolved connected to the
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legend of the Lords of Bakersfield from where I sit after reviewing this whole mess
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I see a name that is repeated throughout this story and a general theme that seems to follow him this is Robert
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mistrell by his own admission and others he had a horrible childhood he was selling himself at a young age
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trading sexual favors to men for money drugs and anything else to get him by right and while of course I find the
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actions and behaviors of the men who chose to employ him as illegal immoral and frankly disgusting
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it's very tricky for me to go as far to call those specific situations abuse I understand he he is
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a child and not of legal age but to me it somewhat appears that Robert was able to end this sex for
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higher relationship at any time with these men and in fact did so when with the help of another brutally murdered
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and robbed one of these men and could be suspected in another case as well so this story obviously just I mean it's
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just full chock full of victims and a lot of predators Robert just might fit into both of those
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categories I'm not certain as for Glenn Fitz the second murder that we discussed
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I have to wonder if he is the outlier in this story was this like a budding Dean Coral situation
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or is it as simple as once his wife passed and left him alone we have a sick man that turned his home
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into a playground for teenagers filled with alcohol and they simply did not prosecute because
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they lacked the ability to do so right that there wasn't something to cover this up they just didn't have the
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ability to prosecute him and therefore did not bring those charges forward and had fits not died
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be it suicide or be it murder who's to say that they wouldn't have drug him into court at some point for Dana's
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murder eventually I also went to state that the double homicide committed by William tayak who planned murdered and
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then bragged about doing so just because two gay men were his neighbors that today likely would be prosecuted as
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a hate crime and it's very difficult to figure out if those crimes had nothing to do with the quote Lords
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of Bakersfield or if the lack of proper punishment and what should have been a death penalty case very likely does have
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something to do with it you know what I mean it's it's tough to figure out if the Lords of Bakersfield are at work in
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some of these situations or if it's just someone else interfering with Justice for unknown reasons what I do think that
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we have is in fact a network of men who frequented the same locations in search of similar entertainment they lived
00:43:01
Secret Lives and desired the company of young men and or boys now keep in mind something very simple that we have to
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remind ourselves when we start to look into conspiracies conspiracy theories and these pedophile rings and all these
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people possibly In Cahoots with one another anytime you have a person or persons
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committing illegal acts you will have those same people covering it up whether it's they're covering it up for
00:43:32
themselves or if they're helping someone else and that's where it gets very difficult to truly discern
00:43:41
what is going on in this situation and in other situations that we look at is in fact there's no doubt that there's
00:43:50
a cover-up it's just to what extent is that cover-up how many people are involved is it just one person is it a
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whole Army right of predators that are out there it's there's no doubt to me that most of
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these men very likely knew each other again they frequented the same locations they were
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in search of similar things you have to you just really have to look at this when when they all know that
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their behavior in a lot of cases is wrong and illegal yeah and if we believe Mr Robert Mistral
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well then they've very likely formed a ring of corrupt abusers that protected one another and if they did that it's
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very hard to say what they would not have been capable of doing yeah I I agree that that's a possibility
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and you again you'd have to believe Robert on some of this stuff but I think you'd have to back down the number of
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the accusations that he's probably making Robert mistrell was released from prison earlier this year after serving
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35 years he's now 52 years old he's married and is hoping to start his life over again this after getting his GED
00:45:07
while he was incarcerated although he recognizes his complicity in the murder of Edwin Buck he also recognizes that in
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many ways he was not fully at fault for the circumstances that led him to the murder while I just want to be clear in
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these cases that these older gentlemen are using drugs alcohol money all these briberies just because the
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child agreed to it agreed to their Arrangement does not mean it's anything less than child abuse and
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pedophilia agreed now as far as the legend of the Lords of Bakersfield and the cases that
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we have discussed today we have just simply an implication of a possible connection in my opinion and
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what we have here is we have Robert Price the journalist for the Californian who helped expose
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this sword underbelly of Baker's field he put it in a May 2019 article that the cases had the same ingredients quote a
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troubled and compromised young man a persistent much older male sponsor and homicide
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