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around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] all right before we get too deep into
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this thing here Captain I want to go through a few notes regarding well let's call them updates regarding some of the
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characters that we have spoke of yesterday and last week you know we did Cover a lot of ground over the last
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three shows a lot to talk about with the boys on the tracks here and yesterday you know with all those mysterious
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deaths and missed dealings going on we're kind of a little bit all over the place but we had to do them in an order
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that made sense to us as far as the way these people were dying and when they were dying off but yesterday we did fail
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to mention that one more of the eyewitnesses the night that the boys were on the tracks is dead as well this
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is Tom Newhouse uh he was the guy remember the boy that was in the bushes he was out with friends claimed that he
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was looking for marijuana on a plants and happen to see teenagers on the tracks with several men one of those men
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he identified as Dan Harmon and he knew Dan Harmon because Dan Harmon at one time had dated his mother so very
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obvious that he would be able to identify him well he one thing that we didn't talk about you know because he
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didn't come forward until 1993. and there there are some questions you know how legit is this story you know he
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comes forward six years after the fact well when he comes forward with this story now at the time the local
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investigators didn't put a whole lot of weight into his story so the FBI brings in Tom Newhouse and they so they conduct
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two lie detector tests with him and he passes both of them to the point where they want to put him in the witness
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protection program and they actually do so and that's why you find that when you
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look early back in this case and you're trying to investigate what's going on his name is actually not not submitted
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in a lot of those reports because he was in the witness protection program at some point he decides that he no longer
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wants to participate in that program but he stands by what he saw that night in his account of what he saw that night
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unfortunately I he's currently deceased and I I'm not aware I couldn't figure out how he died I'm guessing it might be
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natural causes because obviously with all these other mysterious deaths we have some reporting on those situations
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let's discuss some of the key characters that weren't murdered uh well we have Charlene Wilson remember we had said
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she's the eyewitness to Harmon being at the tracks as well remember we said she was locked up this was probably a method
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to hush her up the details of that are she was convicted of a first-time drug offense and because she was prosecuted
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by Dan Harmon she received a 31-year sentence which absolutely seems very ridiculous to me for a first-time drug
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offense but anyway in 1999 Arkansas Governor Mike Huckabee he ended up reducing her sentence which did make her
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eligible for parole which she was then granted so she's she's since been out of prison for that extremely long sentence
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that she received from Dan Harmon so he corrected the situation as best that they could as for Public
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Enemy Number One Dan Harmon in June 1st of 1997 the former prosecuting attorney Dan Harmon was found guilty of five of
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eleven federal felony charges including rackets hearing by he he used his office
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to get drugs and money so this is one racketeering conviction as well as a guilt as guilty verdicts on three counts
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of extortion and one count of possession with the intent to distribute marijuana
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and just quickly I mean this this is key evidence to back up everything that most
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people are speculating about this boys on the track case yeah and and to further that thought the Ives family in
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the Henry family they both said that they've kind of reduced themselves to believing that they're never really
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going to get Justice for their sons yeah which is sad but but they believe that Dan Harmon being convicted of other
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nefarious activity that this kind of it vindicates them a little bit and it for them it at least backs up their beliefs
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and all their hard work that they've done trying to push their son's cases going forward because he ended up going
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to jail for a couple years and then he was released and then he actually went back to jail well so so on that first
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charge on that first bound of charges he got I believe a 10-year sentence on those charges uh but you're right he he
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serves his jail time he gets released and then a few years after that he does get arrested again in February 19
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2010 he was arrested on felony drug charges but we do have to be fair here Captain the state's case in this
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situation was pretty weak this was really a he said she said type of case looking for a conviction strictly where
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your only evidence is the testimony of an admitted drug addict uh she claimed that she had bought drugs from Dan
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Carmen he was acquitted of those charges by a jury of his peers well it seems like there's a little more to that story
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do you want to hear some of the details regarding those indictments against Dan Harmon from the first battle charges
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because I don't mind spending a couple minutes to rub his face in the mud a little bit here uh according to one
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indictment uh Deval and Harman uh Deval was his wife at the time they had broke into the task force evidence locker and
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stole cocaine uh so that was that's one of the details there uh and another one of the acts listed as retaliation
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against a witness this deals oh really yeah this deals with Harmon's May 1996 assault on Arkansas Democrat Gazette
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Benton bureau chief Rodney Bowers right so Bowers is basically a reporter and he's reporting all the bad [ __ ] that
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Harmon's doing and then it pisses Harmon off so he attacks him yeah yeah he goes
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up to harm and trying to get a comment for an article in Harmon physically attacks the reporter right and we've
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we've heard this multiple times with these investigators claiming hey we started digging into some stuff with you
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know Don Henry's case and uh Kevin Ives case and right when we started doing that
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guess who starts making threats I mean Dan Harmon was a I believe a Coke head and a and a real real douchebag well in
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another incident described in the indictment a woman named Tina Davis traveled to Arkansas from Indiana to
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deliver ten thousand dollars to her husband who had been arrested in Saline County on marijuana charges when she
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arrived the indictment says Harman advised Davis that her husband would not be released unless she went and got more
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money the husband was then later released for ten thousand dollars and the couple was forced to sign a
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disclaimer saying that the two had been arrested with the money in hand and they
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had no claim to it I mean that that stuff is just so shady well in another extortion case an indictment alleges
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that Harman took money for releasing defendants from custody or reducing the the charges that they faced in state
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drug cases I think I think the Arkansas times summed it up the best when they they had
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this and end quote it is hard to imagine how much damage Dan Harmon did during the years he held off as his prosecutor
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cases that should have been prosecuted were not cases that should not have been prosecuted no doubt were I think they
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summed it up best well so we have Harmon which like I said is a douchebag but now
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we have his partner Garrett yes his sidekick Richard Garrett the attorney that pushed for Harmon to become the
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special appointed prosecutor well some years after the Kevin Ives and Don Henry murders Garrett sold his home and he
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moved away well sometime after the new homeowner had been living there for some time he discovered a secret room in the
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basement that contained what he believed to be a drug lab the new homeowner reported this to the local sheriff's
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office and he was told to take the items to the local dump and just get rid of them he explains to the sheriff that he
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didn't want to have these items in his vehicle and potentially get pulled over with you know drug related items in his
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car and so the Sheriff's Office offered to escort him to the the dump to get rid
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of these things now at the time that homeowner was unaware of who the previous homeowner was right you know he
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didn't know about the murder case he wasn't from around there and he didn't know Richard Garrett's involvement in
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this actual case I haven't heard from this guy in a while I mean I call I write he never returns my calls
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uh what's going on with my good buddy Fami well yeah Fami Malek the medical examiner that deserves to have been
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locked up in my opinion they should have shot him in the kneecaps but instead in
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1991 Dr Malik was promoted he got a new job congratulations good for you and he was promoted to become a consultant for
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the Arkansas Health Department so apparently when you're just horrible at your job and you you lie and perjure
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yourself in Trials then I guess you can just uh get promoted time and time again
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so one needs to start asking themselves a question how does all this stuff go down in such a small County in Arkansas
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right well this is all connected to an airport yes yeah so let's talk about a small place in Western Arkansas called
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Mina it's about 160 miles west of Little Rock it's a tiny town that has been the
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Locale for persistent reports of drug smuggling gun running and money laundering there's been a number of
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allegations that have been made about the use of mina which is the Intermountain municipal airport as a CIA
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drop point and large-scale cocaine trafficking this beginning in the 1980s several local state and federal
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investigations have taken place in relation to these allegations yeah and a lot of people believe that these
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operations were set up by the Reagan Administration yeah the topic has received some press coverage and these
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include allegations of awareness participation or maybe even a cover-up involving prominent figures such as
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Ronald Reagan Bill Clinton George H.W bush and of course Saline County prosecutor Dan Harmon this is where
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another name comes the light Barry seal yes Barry seal was a name that we mentioned yesterday he was a gun Runner
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drug trafficker and covert CIA operative he was murdered in a hail of bullets by
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the Medellin cartel Hitman outside of a Salvation Army shelter in Baton Rouge Louisiana
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a lot of the stuff that started in Mina started in the 80s this was when seal based his aircraft at Mina's
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Intermountain Regional Airport seal was employed by the Medellin cartel as a pilot and Drug Smuggler he
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transported numerous shipments of cocaine from Colombia to the United States and earned a good deal of coin
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doing so after successful runs into his home base in Louisiana he moved operations to the infamous airport
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facility in Mina Arkansas there he bought sold and operated mini airplanes this included the c-123 transport plane
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supplied to him by the U.S drug enforcement enforcement agency right so let's get this straight he's working for
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the CIA he's also working for a drug cartel yes so he's playing both sides of the fence yeah he's doing double duty
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and and I tell you what we you know you can look into this thing it this is this
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portion of of what's going on in Arkansas is very cumbersome it's extremely cumbersome if you if you
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there's things out there that you can watch you can listen you can read about uh it's pretty well reported Eva even
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though a lot of people say I've never heard of this but like we said yesterday people in Arkansas have known about this
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for 30 years right it's come up it came up in the late 80s quite a bit in the national news and it
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came up again in the early 90s this would be when Clinton was taking over moving into the White House
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but both times it comes up in the national news it kind of quickly dies down and attention is diverted elsewhere
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to other scandals and other other news that's receiving more attention at the time which normally happens when our
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government's involved yeah so you know I think I think the thing here is we can we can break down the generalization of
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what was going on so so this guy Barry seal is he's running drugs he's flying drugs into the U.S and making a whole
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bunch of money doing so right he gets busted okay they catch on to what he's doing and he goes to the DEA into this
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CIA and says look you know I've been doing this successful for quite some time how about I turn on
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some of these people that I'm working for I'll testify against them and I could I could go to work for you guys
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right and they're like okay cool you know and they go to the judge and they basically say look he's willing to work
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with us he's willing to work with the federal government and help us in some things that we need help with so they
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reduce his sentence and eventually he does go to work for these people and now you know there are people out there that
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are going to say no he never worked for them well I can tell you this that after
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he died the IRS went after a lot of money they believe he had right they wanted listen to this number they wanted
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to charge him 86 million dollars in back taxes yes that's a that's a that's a whole that's a whole lot of Rolling
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Papers that's a lot of drugs he was transporting yeah somebody estimated that he may have moved anywhere between
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three and five billion dollars of cocaine into this country well basically he was the drug version of Frank
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Abagnale and for those who don't know how Frank abineale is they might have seen the movie Catch Me If You Can
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there's a guy that was doing a bunch of bank fraud and instead of just you know sending them to jail there said hey why
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don't you come work for us you'll be basically on I think lifetime probation basically right so what happens here is
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the that's Frank Abagnale not abinale so after he's busted he's now working for the CIA and the CIA wants to there's a
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there's a civil war going on in Central America at the time and basically our government figured out that okay
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team a is the good guys and Team B is the bad guys so we want to help team a win this Civil War because it will
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benefit us well our Congress and the Americans right now hold on but that doesn't make them the good team it just
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makes the team that we're going to use no no no I'm just saying what the thinking was at the time it's not
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definitive who was the good guy or the bad guy what I'm saying is that our Congress and the American people said no
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we're not going to get involved in this we're not going to help either side well
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basically our government said you know what we're gonna we're gonna pull in the interest of National Security right
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we're going to help this one side anyway and so they are running guns and running
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parts of guns to this country and they employ somebody like Barry seal to do so because he has this big plane that he's
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running out of the Mina airport and he's this is a c123 it basically looks like an army cargo plane you know one of
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those big heavy planes now he had made modifications to the planes that he was running so that he could travel extended
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distances without stopping for more fuel he's basically rigging up these planes right which is not cheap to do so I'll
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tell you that the thing is here he I kind of found this funny he nicknamed his plane the fat lady
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so he was basically flying guns to or parts of guns to Nicaragua and well he has to fly back home right but why would
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you why waste the whole empty plane they don't want to have a big empty plane when you're flying all the way back home
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on the government's dime do you right so so he's taken the free ride back and he's loading up the plane with drugs and
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bringing them back into the country and making a whole bunch of money Barry seal was not the only guy doing
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this there were other people doing this there were other people that were working for the CIA in the Mina area
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doing different things regarding uh CI CIA operations right that were kept on the lowdown now it's been reported by by
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at least one pilot that he believed that there were multiple Pilots that were not
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bringing back empty planes into the United States and they were bringing drugs into these states yeah it seems
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like these Pilots saw an opportunity and they took it to make a little extra cash
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yeah you have I mean you have some people saying that we we the US government may have been trading guns
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for drugs uh you know there's certainly been investigations that have brought forth some speculation of such I I can't
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say that I saw enough evidence out there to say that that's what was going on um but I what I think here is probably
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more like likely is that you had a few people taking advantage of a situation and trying to make themselves
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millionaires out of something that they were doing for the government yeah and oddly enough this is the time in history
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where the Reagan Administration has gone it's It's A War on Drugs right and but but our government is the one bringing
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the drugs into the country possibly if you believe the speculation this whole thing of course you know anytime you
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have these controversies or things that are brought to light that's going on that we may not be aware of or we're
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told is not happening you know of course this does always create a lot of finger
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pointing so in this situation you have the Republicans pointing toward Bill Clinton and saying you know what this
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happened at a facility in your jurisdiction uh how could you let this happen you're a terrible terrible person
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and then you have the Democrats saying the same about the Republicans going you know what well this happened during the
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Reagan Administration right and it was the this operation by the CIA CIA was the brainchild of George Bush and so
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therefore the Republicans are horrible people in the end you know that finger pointing
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doesn't go anywhere it doesn't do anything to solve the actual problem furthermore you we had investigations
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going down regarding this situation the problem was that these investigations couldn't get anywhere because when they
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try to approach it from the federal level well the federal government basically said it's an Arkansas problem
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and then when you try to go to the state level and present it to the governor to
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to Bill Clinton then he says no this is a federal case you know so it's not only
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is there finger pointing both ways as far as uh as far as different politics goes but also passing the blame at the
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end of the day well and I called Bill Clinton yesterday I called it I I don't know if I called him a [ __ ] stain but
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there there's a lot look a lot of my feelings towards him are based on other information about other cases that I've
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researched so that's why I believe he's a [ __ ] stain um and as far as the Reagan and the War
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on Drugs it wasn't a War on Drugs it was a war on inner city black people is what
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it was and that's all I got to say about that well it this sounds like a lot of stuff that you know that we're just kind
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of throwing out there but that's not the case at all uh you know like I said there's been investigations done on this
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there were several uh newspapers and magazines covering this in the 80s and the early 90s it didn't really go
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anywhere but we know how these things kind of get swept under the rug the situation here though is you know we
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know that Barry seal was by his own admissions was was bringing drugs into the country he he even kind of bragged
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about how much money he was making doing this and I want to say this is this is going to sound a little weird but Barry
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seal I don't I don't know if if many people know who he is but there are you can find interviews and things with him
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on on the internet he's he to me he's one of those guys you know when you when you're watching a movie and there's like
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for some reason there's a villain that you're kind of like secretly pulling for a little bit you
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know I mean like you kind of like the villain a little bit um I I think Barry seal was a bad dude I
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think he he took advantage of a lot of people in a lot of situations um I think he did it solely for uh for
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financial reasons right uh the thing is though he's one of these kind of charismatic guys you know there's a
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there's an interview he was doing where he's talking about himself and he says you know you know I grew up in Baton
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Rouge and maybe for a lot of people uh an exciting life for them is is working nine to five going to the the LSU
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football game on Saturday night and then waking up going to church on Sunday maybe that works for other people he
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says you know that's not exciting to me he's exciting to me is putting myself in
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potentially life-threatening situations over and over again well but we know Captain you know sometimes people go
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into the field of being a pilot because they enjoy the adrenaline of it they're Adrenaline Junkies right but become a
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firefighter become a police officer become a soldier become a Navy SEAL and do something productive with your life
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but what you were my friend was somebody that was greedy about money and you decided to take advantage of the system
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on both sides of the fence and then you're running drugs and how many murders took place because of those
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drugs right you're exactly and so yeah so you my friend are a [ __ ] stain well and the thing with seal here is we know
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that this happened and I can point to why we know that it happened because remember we talked about the CIA
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investigation I'm sorry the IRS investigation into Barry seal wanting to charge him after he died for all these
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back taxes well the CIA and the DEA did come forward to the IRS and said you know what well you can't charge him for
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these blocks of time because he was working for us during that time right so so you can't charge him for back taxes
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regarding that okay so what does all this mean well here's what it means is that not far from where the boys were
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right let's get back to the boys not far from them is is this Mena airport where
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drugs were coming into drugs and guns were coming into and the reports of planes stopping short of the airport
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landing by the train tracks making drops that all happened with Dan Harmon what happens with Dan Harmon oh he's not
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selling drugs running drugs so all that part of the story is true so if you believe so if you didn't believe that
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part there's your proof on top of that so we know why the boys we don't know why the boys were out there whether they
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were hunting whether they're trying to spy maybe they were trying to intercept the drugs we're not for sure
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but we do know that they're out there at the same time that a drug drop was happening so we know that is true and if
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we believe that to be true then we believe that these boys were murdered they were put on the tracks all these
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eyewitnesses that saw things and talked then were killed to cover this up that's what we know that's the right
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well in the thing furthermore on that point is that you have to have boots on the ground in this type of operation so
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you got Barry seal bringing drugs into the country you have another pilot that was working for the CIA saying that he
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believed that multiple Pilots were doing this that Barry seal was the kind of the
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big fish he was the fat lady like he named his airplane right and so the thing is you have to have boots on the
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ground because you can bring drugs into this country it doesn't get you anywhere
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financially unless you can sell them to somebody and once you sell them to somebody then you have to launder that
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money so now you have all these little local corruptive things going on at the same time all right so I think we're to
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the point where we should just really kind of dive into our thoughts and feelings on this matter and let's do
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that right after this quick foreign [Music] [Music] [Music] welcome back to True Crime gear Ridge
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okay now Captain we need to put our thoughts on what actually happened that night 1987 in Bryant Arkansas well I
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just want to First say hey thanks to all the listeners right because this is a you know four-parter it's a whale of a
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case probably the biggest case that we've done um just with the many airport stuff we
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probably Coulda just with that whole drug running and gun running conspiracy we probably could have went on for four
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hours about that me and you are not super fascinated by that portion of this case no I'm not gonna lie doing the
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research on the Mena portion of this and we would be remiss if we didn't bring it
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up because it's certainly part of this case at some part right right but the the problem here is
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it it was a cumbersome portion of the investigation in this case it's it's huge you could spend weeks some people
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have spent years trying to figure out that whole situation uh I found it to be the research portion of that to be
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rather boring to to be completely honest with you and I think our main thing was
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you know when you have a seven you know 16 and 17 year old uh teenage boys uh we
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can relate to that and be in those age and being males ourselves and to want to kind of explore what the heck's going on
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and I think that's the part that we were more fascinated with yeah so now uh Garage Thoughts with your host Nick and
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the captain yeah with Jack Handy uh how about you start so we get the good intelligent stuff first okay because you
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know my stuff will probably not make well that's 70 that's setting the bar a little high but I think you hit the nail
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on the head there Captain so this this case for us was about Don Henry and Kevin knives about those two boys being
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murdered and then it being called an accident you know this case I didn't know anything about the Mena portion of
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this case to be honest with you until several months ago now I knew about the boys on the tracks case from way back
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when when we were kids they they featured this case on Unsolved Mysteries I believe it was in the first season
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maybe the second but it was a it was it was ages ago and that's streaming now somewhere a lot of the listeners were
00:31:08
saying you got to check this out it's like hey if you listen to the show we're big fans of you know Unsolved Mysteries
00:31:15
we've seen it well and there's some things that they talk about I went back and watched that episode and there's
00:31:21
some things that they talked about in there that we didn't really address yet there was some leads at the time of a um
00:31:28
a man in camouflage fatigues actually well let me let me get this right because there's a couple different
00:31:34
stories here there's one story of a man wearing a camouflage jacket having shot at police there's another story that's
00:31:41
almost identical with the exception of they say in military fatigues which to me camouflage jacket military fatigues
00:31:48
means a very different uh uniform or outfit that this person was wearing now the thing here is I I when looking into
00:31:58
this case you gotta follow the leads that was that might have been a lead back then it's not a current lead today
00:32:04
because we know of all these other confessions of all these eyewitness statements that have come out after the
00:32:10
fact the thing here is Captain I I want to kind of talk about this in a sense that it is
00:32:17
I'm going to use the trickle-down effect okay because what I think really happened here as far as Mena is
00:32:22
concerned is that we we have a situation where yes our government was probably doing some stuff that wasn't all on the
00:32:30
up and up were they trading guns for drugs I'm not willing to 100 agree with that I saw more evidence of these these
00:32:39
people doing this on their own these Pilots doing this on their own where they were taking advantage of a
00:32:45
situation now we brought up Barry seal now the thing here is Barry seal was he was murdered and dead before Kevin Ives
00:32:53
and Don Henry were killed that night he was killed about a year beforehand why do we bring him up because we know he
00:32:59
admittedly came forward and said this is what I'm doing you know and we so we if
00:33:03
we believe Barry seal this is absolutely going on and this is absolutely happening now I believe that they were
00:33:10
running lots of drugs into the Arkansas area using these airplanes and the thing
00:33:16
here is like I said before you have to have boots on the ground you can't turn that drugs into money without somebody
00:33:21
on the ground selling it and distributing that that product for you the problem here is the trickle-down
00:33:28
effect when you when you have people at a high level maybe doing some things that aren't completely on the up and up
00:33:34
you know when you set out to do something that that might not be 100 percent right
00:33:40
sometimes you find yourself then doing other things that you never set out to do that are completely wrong too to
00:33:46
cover up that first misdeed and I think that we see a situation here where that started at the top and it worked its way
00:33:54
into a very bad area and the thing regarding Reagan regarding Bush or Clinton do I think that they had some
00:34:03
involvement in this yes yes I do I think that they this was an operation that they were aware of I don't believe I
00:34:11
want to not believe that they were fully aware of all the drugs that were coming
00:34:16
into the the country as a result of what they were doing um the thing here is though you have to
00:34:24
have people in somewhat of power you can't have a bunch of thugs on the ground moving this product for you they
00:34:29
had to have some kind of security in doing what they were doing these are barry seal is not just going to go out
00:34:36
and do something like this people that are cohorting with him are not just going to go out and do something like
00:34:41
this and then put millions of dollars of drugs into the hands of street thugs it's just not going to happen and I
00:34:48
think what we had here Captain is that we have Dan Harmon somebody that that was a person that carried a certain
00:34:55
amount of power he had a certain amount of Leverage on everybody some of that was because of positions that he held
00:35:01
within the county some of that was because he was dealing drugs at a high level to these other people and you know
00:35:09
I I once had a man tell me that that sometimes in some situations law enforcement is nothing but a bunch of
00:35:17
thugs or a bunch of gangsters with a badge and I think in this situation we see that we see that with the two
00:35:24
officers that we spoke of Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I think that they were Dan Harmon's bodyguards they were his muscle
00:35:33
because they could use their toughness as not just their toughness in Brute Force but their toughness because they
00:35:39
carry a badge in their Authority and they misuse their Authority the same way that Dan Harmon did right and we support
00:35:45
fully support law enforcement that believes in the oath of Serve and Protect yes and I think what happened
00:35:52
here Captain I think we have a situation Dan Harmon as I said I believe he's he's
00:35:57
no better than your average Street Thug he's probably even worse because he has the authority to cover things up and do
00:36:06
unspeakable things and get away with them the thing here is I I peg him as a drug user I peg him as a hardcore drug
00:36:15
user that probably used drugs with other people in power in the area and at some
00:36:21
point he realized you know what I can turn this little this little fun drug thing that I got going on I can turn
00:36:26
this into a business and I have the authority to do so and he recruited these officers to get his back and what
00:36:34
happened was we have a we yes I believe there was a drug drop I believe that Dan
00:36:39
Harmon was there to get that drug drop now the thing here is do we do we have a situation where you know there was rumor
00:36:47
maybe Kevin Ives and Don Henry were were you know privy to this information and that they went out there and had
00:36:54
possibly stolen a previous drop and intended to steal an additional drop and that Dan Harmon and his goons were out
00:37:03
there that night to keep an eye on their product and they were going to use whatever Force necessary if they caught
00:37:10
who they believed was was stealing their drugs now the thing here is when you're
00:37:15
doing bad things and you're doing Shady things you're working with other Shady characters there's a good chance I don't
00:37:21
believe Kevin Ives and Don Henry went and stole that drug drop I don't think so I don't even think it was their
00:37:29
intention to go out that night and steal whatever was being dropped from the sky
00:37:33
I think you have a situation where you got a bunch of bad people working together doing bad things that are
00:37:38
illegal you can't report this all my drugs came up missing Who you gonna go and tell that to nobody cares the thing
00:37:45
here is you could have had a guy you could have had a pilot in the plane that said yeah dude yeah Harmon I made that
00:37:51
drop what you didn't pick that up that's your fault right he could have just kept
00:37:55
the damn drugs himself or you could have Harman who who got the drugs and said you know what this [ __ ] was stolen from
00:38:01
me I I can't pay it up I can't pay up to you because I didn't have the product to
00:38:06
sell yet yeah he went out and sold the product anyway we know these things happen on a daily basis on a much
00:38:11
smaller level we'd be foolish to think that they don't happen at a high level I think that the boys were aware that
00:38:18
something was going on I don't think they had a full understanding of what it is right I think that they were
00:38:23
teenagers being teenagers I think that they were curious about what was going on whiskers and I believe Don Henry felt
00:38:30
very comfortable in those woods I I feel like he often went out at night with his
00:38:35
parents permission out on these night hunting trips sometimes by himself and he probably told his buddy you know
00:38:40
because they're at the age where they're discovering drugs we know that they were
00:38:44
smoking some marijuana they didn't smoke 20 joints right they it's it's actually
00:38:49
estimated that they smoked more like one to two maybe even three at a stretch they were found with marijuana in their
00:38:56
pockets so they were they were open to this whole new scene that they're discovering in their in their Hometown
00:39:02
and I think they were curious as to what was going on I don't think they were going around the week of looking for
00:39:08
cocaine or looking to be calm cocaine dealers I think that that's all kind of just things that coincidence it's just
00:39:15
happenstance there might be rumors I think they were out looking for marijuana I think it was a very innocent
00:39:21
thing that they were out doing and they stumbled across the wrong people I wouldn't be surprised if Dan Harmon
00:39:29
believed that these boys ripped him off or even even pushed that aside now these
00:39:36
boys are witness to something and maybe he thinks they were out there trying to steal his drugs and I think that his
00:39:43
goons Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane I don't think that they ever agreed to help move
00:39:50
drugs or or be The Bodyguard for Dan Harmon with the intention that they thought at some point they would be
00:39:55
killing people I think that they chase down these boys I think it got out of hand they used they used brute force on
00:40:03
these on these poor kids and unfortunately the kids probably fought back these guys guys don't strike me as
00:40:10
the type that would not defend themselves and I think it got out of hand very fast and I think one of them
00:40:16
died and I think I think Kevin Ives probably died first and they may have killed the other boy
00:40:23
simply to cover that up because at some point right this you know when you set out to do something bad and just to make
00:40:31
a little bit of money and you think it's all going to be good it's this is a victimless crime it's going to hurt
00:40:35
nobody I know people that want drugs I know how to get drugs I can make money and make these people happy at the same
00:40:41
time this isn't going to get out of hand no one day you wake up and you realize that you're up to your eyeballs in this
00:40:48
[ __ ] and you freak out and something bad happens and I think that's what happened that night now to further this
00:40:54
though they went above and beyond to cover this up why because there happened to be so many people that actually knew
00:41:01
the truth about what had happened that night that this thing got out of hand these boys were killed they were thrown
00:41:07
on the tracks there were people that witnessed it there were people that told other people what they had seen what
00:41:13
they had heard there are people involved involved in the drug trade in the local
00:41:17
area I think this was the thing that started off bad in some missed dealings at the very top and it trickled down and
00:41:25
the further it got down it got darker deeper a little more evil to the point where it got out of hand
00:41:32
so most of this blame lies with Dan Harmon in his goons in my opinion these were the truly evil people involved in
00:41:39
this situation the unfortunate and well unfortunate is not the right word the the extremely disappointing portion of
00:41:47
this for me is that I do believe that there are higher members of society at higher levels in the Arkansas area that
00:41:56
probably turned a blind eye to this thing they kind of looked the other way and they didn't want to believe that
00:42:03
something terrible was going on and and by doing nothing ultimately in my eyes they did something wrong I think this
00:42:11
Fami Malik guy is a terrible dude I think I think that he held up very bad I think he was a guy that held a high
00:42:18
position that didn't have people monitoring what he was doing or second guessing what he was doing I think he
00:42:26
was not qualified for that position to start off with and that that he made some fumblings and screwed some things
00:42:33
up and he started covering for himself and he woke up one day and he was he was eyeballs deep in this situation too and
00:42:40
then at some point he was either able to be bought off with either money or fear
00:42:44
and I think that he lied about a lot of things which ultimately made investigations go nowhere we're in a
00:42:51
situation here where it's been it it will be 30 years come this August that those two boys were murdered and you
00:42:59
know what I don't think that we're going to see any justice for those two boys I
00:43:04
do like that the families feel somewhat Vindicated because Dan Harmon did serve some time
00:43:10
um there are some other people that were probably involved in this that are no longer around we're not going to see any
00:43:16
justice though for those two boys and that's an unfortunate situation when is that your final thoughts uh yeah those
00:43:25
are my final thoughts on what I think happened uh my recommendation to the listeners out there if this is something
00:43:30
that they want to dive more into there there there's a lot of things like we said this is a huge case I'd recommend
00:43:37
though researching the two incidences separately you know I think there's enough of of things that you can
00:43:44
read into regarding the boys on the tracks I think that there's enough stuff that you could dive into regarding the
00:43:51
Mena airport at the same time I wouldn't recommend looking into both of them at the same time because it's just too much
00:43:57
yeah it's definitely a case that I looking back on now we did four parts but it would have been amazing series
00:44:03
all right Captain Garage Thoughts we're your host the captain yeah I don't know if we should allow me
00:44:10
to speak every episode uh let's just you want to start at the top yes we'll just
00:44:15
start I started at the top look I and and look I've said it a million times it's not a political show I'm not left
00:44:22
or right I am normally wrong he always says that right before he gets political right uh start with Reagan I think there
00:44:29
was drug running I think there was gun running I think our government's normally involved in [ __ ] we shouldn't
00:44:34
be we should mind our own goddamn business sometimes I think because of the drug smuggling that was coming in
00:44:41
then they started this stupid thing called War on Drugs which was actually a war on uh inner city Black America
00:44:49
and if you think I'm just talking on my ass do some damn research on it and then
00:44:54
get back with me and then tell me I'm wrong and I actually think that there's there's actually evidence of Reagan
00:44:59
saying hey you know we thought the war on drug was going to be great we didn't know it was just going to give slaps on
00:45:05
the wrist to Middle America you know White America and that it was going to screw up black families for Generation
00:45:12
to generation so uh shameful Reagan for that but we all make mistakes I think a lot of the stuff he did was good
00:45:20
um it was never a big fan of George Bush uh I thought he had some weird agendas then let's go to Clinton I think some of
00:45:28
the research that I've seen on him and this whole pedophile stuff which is a whole separate case is very shameful I
00:45:35
think he's a [ __ ] stain uh I think he's very you know self-centered how much greed can he have how much power can he
00:45:43
have and I think he's done some shady [ __ ] as far as this case goes I don't think
00:45:49
Reagan knew anything about it no I don't think I don't even think Bill actually knew a bunch about it now
00:45:55
I think he knew that there was drugs coming in to Mena airport but but I think he knew that was coming from the
00:46:04
government so how much is he supposed to say and I and I know that the government
00:46:09
probably knew that there was probably some drug running on the side and we just can't do much about that because
00:46:15
we're doing some shady [ __ ] so I believe like you said at some point these these
00:46:21
uh Pilots had this opportunity we can make a little extra money but now we got to figure out places to drop
00:46:28
just so happened that this airport was close to this town and there was some dude there you know named Dan Harmon
00:46:36
that's a bad bad hombre right and that's what happened it got mixed up and I don't I don't think look I don't know if
00:46:45
the boys were going out there to to steal drugs I mean I've done some stupid [ __ ] when I was 16 and 17 years old I
00:46:52
had some stupid ideas right so I want to put it past them but even if they were you shouldn't end up dead right you know
00:47:00
you're 16 and 17 year old kid did they fight back hopefully because look at some point you know if an officer is
00:47:10
using his powers for bad at some point defend yourself and I think that's probably what happened the other thing
00:47:18
that the only question that I have about that is what if one of those boys was wearing
00:47:23
camo what if one of those boys fired at officer hmm they had a gun we know that but either way I think what it came down
00:47:32
to was those boys were dead before they were on the tracks and they put him on the tracks to cover
00:47:38
it up and then anybody that knew anything about it they they murdered and because they paid off this guy and again
00:47:46
I think if you're paying off Fami right well then Fami you're a [ __ ] stain and I
00:47:53
hope you get an ulcer and I hope your head [ __ ] pops off and goes right up your ass
00:47:58
that's what I hope happens uh and then I hope that your dog crawls up your ass and eats your head that's what I hope
00:48:04
happens if you did all this stuff out of fear then then my hat goes off to you because I
00:48:12
don't know what I'd do in that situation all right there's people around you dying left and right mysterious deaths
00:48:18
he had the ability to do something about that though you know he he absolutely did have the ability to do something
00:48:25
about that would it what it had caused his own own demise possibly right uh maybe even likely one
00:48:32
could say um well right but it's hard to sit there and say you know yeah I mean well it's actually
00:48:39
easy to sit there and say you know what I'll do the right thing right you know if people were dying around me I don't
00:48:46
give a [ __ ] I'll do the right thing it's like meh maybe you would I'd like to think I would but I have never been
00:48:54
around a situation where people were dying left and right but you know what if I did die they
00:49:01
would have to bring in another corner and he might not be able to get paid off and they might not be able to do
00:49:08
anything about it on that point but there was all these checks and balances and I think because Dan Harmon
00:49:14
had his hands in everybody's Pockets you know playing away game of pocket pull that that's why all this stuff got
00:49:21
covered up and I think because of the government running drugs and because of I believe Bill Clinton there's enough
00:49:29
evidence that proves that Bill Clinton you know it's the 80s a lot of people of power were doing cocaine and so I think
00:49:36
because of the government running drugs in and out of Mena Airport their hands are almost tied where they
00:49:43
can't they can't even go after the scumbag Dan Harmon because what does that do to you I mean yeah they put him in
00:49:50
jail and stuff but you gotta go after him for murder because that's what happened there's two boys that are dead
00:49:57
16 and 17 years old not they never got to the point where they're old enough to vote for you know the left or the right
00:50:05
they don't have that right they didn't they didn't make it to the age where they could drink a couple beers in the
00:50:11
garage and talk about some crime they they never made it to that point and their families never got to see them
00:50:20
get to that point because of what because of some some douchebags that wanted to make a couple
00:50:27
extra bucks because they got into normally when you get into a political power and a
00:50:34
political system you're there to serve right that's your job yeah but all these people the the paycheck was too small I
00:50:42
don't want to just serve it's about me it's about me you know in this country you know on a side rant we're all
00:50:49
becoming a little too much me me me me and I think it's [ __ ] it's horseshit well and it's it like I said for me it
00:50:58
starts off with Dan Harmon and other people at his level being drug users I think that's where it starts for me is
00:51:05
that they they were already compromised people because they were drug users they
00:51:11
weren't able to clearly understand or or should have clearly understood what their power meant and that they are
00:51:18
there to serve the people they're there to protect the communities and this drug
00:51:23
addiction this drug habit got in the way compromised them from the very beginning
00:51:28
and that's what led to him selling drugs and others in the area selling drugs and
00:51:34
you know if somebody asked me you know what well Nick why why the hell would so many people be quiet about this we're
00:51:41
not talking about you know when we say Barry seal and they estimate between three and five billion that's with a B
00:51:49
not with an M that's a b three to five billion dollars that he brought into this country now he was bringing those
00:51:56
in through through multiple States but the thing is it we we believe other Pilots were probably doing this as well
00:52:03
we're not talking about fifty dollars or a hundred dollars here or there to this
00:52:09
guy or Joe at the local supermarket look the other way we're talking about potentially really
00:52:15
hundreds of millions of dollars that's being spread around because of the stuff that's being brought in and you know
00:52:21
what guess what you know Tim down at the grocery store I'm not asking you to do anything wrong
00:52:28
but here's here's here's some free drugs here's two grand I'm just asking you to
00:52:34
say you don't know anything about the situation right I'm just asking you to keep quiet just keep my name out your
00:52:40
mouth and we'll be fine it's it's very frustrating I can tell by the way you're stomping around the garage here as you
00:52:46
gave up that that very angry uh Speech there but the thing is you know we set out to we set out the mission was to set
00:52:55
out to figure out who killed these boys was it a murder to begin with yes we we can we establish that right who killed
00:53:02
him we both at the local level we both agree what we think happened that night we think Dan Harmon and some other guys
00:53:08
uh most likely Jay Campbell and Kirk Lane were all involved in this situation and then they spent almost two years
00:53:16
covering this thing up you know so I think at the local level we set out to to kind of figure out what happened to
00:53:22
these two boys we did been set out to you know uh correct 40 Years of the U.S government's foreign policy but
00:53:31
regarding the boys on the tracks I think we we agree what happened that night right and I think at the end of the day
00:53:37
that people of power and people of money get away with a bunch of [ __ ] and and I
00:53:45
just want to take the moment to say uh you know to to Don Henry to Kevin Ives to their family members if anybody's
00:53:53
listening to this we we are sorry for your loss and we're sorry that there wasn't Justice you know for you and your
00:54:01
family and your loved ones all right now it's uh it's time for many beers yeah well I'm all worked up it's
00:54:08
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