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let's talk some true crime [Music] oh [Music] Borman Ohio and 1970 the suburb of
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Youngstown had a population of about 30,000 people and that population would grow to almost 40,000 by
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1980 in the early '70s board men experienced what fortunately most cities and towns of its size rarely if ever
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experience the homicides of three youths the victimology was similar three boys similar in age ranging from 12 to
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15 all from similar neighbor neighborhoods and backgrounds and all three abducted or
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attacked while walking home as the sun was going down or shortly after all three cases are still
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unsolved two cases are considered to be very much cold cases the leads have seemingly dried up over the decades
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anything left open-ended it appears those options have only been left that way because they were looked at explored
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Bo and examined and there either is likely one if not two results either no evidence to back the
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theory or we just can't put someone where they would need to be to have committed the murder or
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murders however one of the cases is still very warm and as we hinted at last week one
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of the cases may be getting warmer as we speak 15-year-old Thomas be was the first of
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three victims he was attacked on his way home and later succumbed to his injuries
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in December of 1970 he was found by a police officer having been badly beaten by an unknown
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as salent Thomas was placed in intensive care where sadly he passes away Days Later never regaining
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consciousness police were never able to question him about the attack that led to his
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death Brad Bolino age 12 was abducted on the last day of March 1972 And he was killed after leaving his
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friend's house his body was not found until April 4th when a refuge collector spotted his
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feet sticking up in the trash in a collection bin behind some businesses in a busy section of of
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Boardman the third Boardman boy victim is 13-year-old David Evans who goes missing on Friday January 17th
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1975 all signs point toward abduction his hat was found trampled in the snow at an intersection in his
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neighborhood just blocks from his home his lifeless body was found near an office
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building his little body frozen stiff sadly the boy died from his diabetes he was abducted and held
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somewhere and denied his much needed insulin shots regardless of how he died or the
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coroner's ruling he was murdered he was abducted and then died from disease as his captor denied him treatment and then
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his body was dumped of course the good people of Borman could not help but think that
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that these three murders may be connected maybe even committed by the same person or
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persons in fact even now 50 years later the case that is still showing promise of likely being solved the Brad Bolino
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case detectives have openly suggested that a break or an arrest in that case may lead to much needed information in
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one if not both of the other homicides in early February of 1975 just a little over a week after the
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Evans boy body was found the Boardman chief of police received a letter mailed from the greater Youngstown
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area it was double stamped with the word important on the front of the envelope the single page handwritten
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letter reads to whom it may concern please don't don't let that man out of jail and
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Struthers as he is the one responsible for three boys' deaths the one that was found along a
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street that Bolino boy and Evans boy that 11-year-old girl would have been dead by now if he had gotten away
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with it mister as you know one makes just one wrong move and gets caught these kind of men must be kept
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out of circulation now I cannot tell you who I am as I want to keep on living someone would kill
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me but if he is found guilty I will talk to someone and tell you how I know it may even come as a shock and I
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know you won't want to believe me the letter is signed please help save the children this is true crime garage
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[Music] last year in a four-part series we covered the Boardman murders still unsolved at that time over 50 years
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later in the cases of Thomas be and Brad Bolino and coming up 50 years of the David Evans case as well yesterday we
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covered the updates in the Brad Bolino case and thankfully here today we have updates in the David Evans case as well
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well for our update we're going to go to The Vindicator and the David Evans case
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they have been on this case since the beginning they were the ones that actually printed the famous pictures of
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the dumpster behind the store that's correct and we know how important it is in these
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cases for media coverage to get the answers and to find the persons responsible to keep these stories in the
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spotlight and keep them on the minds and in the hearts of the public who might be
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able to help law enforcement ultimately solve these cases and give these families some form of closure so go to
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The Vindicator or to vindy.com if anybody wants to look this up and the headline of this article is cold cases
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cracked in Boardman killer of two boys and the article reads the previously unsolved murders of two young boys from
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the Boardman area in the early 1970s have been solved Ohio attorney general Dave yast in Township Police
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announced during a news conference at the Boardman Township Government Center in the case of Bradley Bolino who was 12
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at the time of his death Boardman officials announced that he was murdered after extensive DNA analysis over the
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course of 50 years in 2001 bolo's clothes were sent to the Ohio Bureau of Criminal investigations forensic
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laboratory for testing a DNA profile was obtained from the evidence left on the victim and over the years that DNA
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profile was Advanced for checking against several Suspects at the time all of which came back negative this is
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something that we talked about Captain when we did our coverage in 2022 we knew that in the Bolino case
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that they had a list of I believe 15 suspects right they have to make a short list of suspects I think they whittel it
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down to about 15 and of that 15 I believe they had tested nine DNA comparison over the course of the years
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between 2001 and then leading up to actually solving the Bolino case in January of this year and a reminder
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police saying that no connection from the killer to Brad Bolino so Joseph Norman Hill the perpetrator in that
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homicide was not one of those 15 suspects that they were looking to comparison test DNA against if I'm law
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enforcement I'm putting him on the list because again it's not the connection as
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far as like a friend or family connection the connection would be the community that connection would be the
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town well of course certainly he becomes a a person of interest and a suspect in
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the David Evans case but he was not on that short list for the Bolino case until the DNA evidence confirmed and led
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them to him earlier this year right the laboratory developed several different investigative Avenues including parabon
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Labs which we've discussed here on the show several times according to Boardman police chief Todd worth and with the
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assistance from the Lee County Sheriff's Department in leeburg Georgia they were
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heavily involved in the scientific and forensic physical evidence angle of this investigation of recent the BCI
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laboratory of Ohio identified a DNA match that enabled the police department to recognize Joseph Norman Hill Senior
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as a person responsible for Brad bolo's murder Hill who was 32 in 197 to this article some new information here on
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Hill said that he lived at1 Shadyside Drive in Borman but moved to California around 1978 and died in
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2019 from natural causes however on Thursday this was this is in June actually but they're referencing the
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Thursday those in attendant learned more about an additional case with similar circumstances to Brad Bolino 3 years
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after the uction and death of Brad Bolino 13-year-old David Evans also of Borman Ohio was reported missing about a
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mile away from bino's residence Evans was reported missing at midnight on January 18th 1975 after his father told
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police that he was gone for most of the evening before he was diabetic missing for longer than 6 hours and later found
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Frozen lying dead on his back in the backyard of home on Crestline Place in Borman on January 23rd keep in mind some
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of this while it's while it's all true may just be a different description of what
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we had previously the description we gave last year which seems to be accurate in my opinion was that he was
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found behind some bushes near a business because we know that it was a realtor and and his wife that reported finding
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the body after after leaving their place of business on January the 23rd that makes sense one day after his body was
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found former Mahoning County deputy coroner Dr William Johnson ruled that the investigation quote held no element
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of criminality and the immediate cause of death was due to diabetic coma according to the chief worth at the time
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several police officers from around the area felt that evans's death was a homicide and we went into those reasons
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why yesterday and in our original coverage last year and continued to pursue this investigation this death
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investigation as a homicide the autopsy also found that Evans showed fractures to his left radius and a puncture wound
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in his lower back that were suffered after he died the report also mentioned multiple abrasions on his face and upper
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part of his back but no blood or semi fluid were found on his clothing after being reassigned the case Sergeant
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Michael Hughes and gentleman who we spoke about yesterday Captain Albert kesich met with current Mahoning County
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coroner David Kennedy who reviewed the case and determined Evans cause of death a homicide due to his broken bones and
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postmortem puncture wounds so this is our current day police in Boardman the current day detectives who then went to
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the current coroner all of these years later and said hey would you please review this file would you please review
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the report taken of where and how the body was discovered would you please review the report by the original
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coroner in the coroner's office so to be clear what we had we had referenced uh Dr David Blinky yesterday and in our
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original coverage and here this report States County deputy coroner Dr William Johnson ruled that the investigation
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quote held no element of criminality and the immediate cause of death was due to
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diabetic coma yes that's absolutely true but Dr David binki signed off on that ruling after the fact right and to be
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clear there's postmortem wounds correct so it's you know this kid goes into a a coma right he didn't he
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didn't yeah he didn't go into a coma and die and continue to injure himself after
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after death and very rightfully so back then in 1975 again the police are telling the
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coroner no this is signs of a homicide this is signs that this kid died while being held captive by somebody after he
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was abducted and all of these injuries postmortem are due to somebody trying to cover up that crime trying to cover up
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con and conceal this body and get rid of his body after the fact right now current day after several DNA tests
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conducted by BCI on the clothing still in the police department's possession again kudos to Boardman for not giving
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up on this case this would have been a case easy to give up on when two coroners sign off on well he died of
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natural causes there's no element of ality here in this case Boardman said nope and they never gave up on David
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evans's case just like they never gave up on Brad bino's case the clothing is still in the police department's
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possession they get it tested by BCI a profile contained in evans's underwear matched the DNA of Joseph Norman Hill
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Senior surprise surprise and confirmed his connection to the additional murder so regardless of how David Evans passed
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away to find this man's DNA in this kid's underwear to find this man's DNA on the person of Brad Bolino who was
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killed three years before David Evans and I tell you look up a picture of these two boys if you want to do some
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further investigating some f some further sleuthing these two boys you want to talk about a victim
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type yeah it's dark at night yeah they might have been wearing hats and but these two boys look like they could be
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cousins and another thing that's incredibly scary about this is look it's scary anytime somebody is
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is picking a a child victim there there's no greater loss of life than that no greater loss than
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this but Evans was 12 I'm sorry bolina was 12 and Evans was 13 and again these two boys were small for
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their age and they looked much younger in my opinion than their than their age would indicate again crime of
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opportunity if you know you're going to try to abduct the child the smaller the child the easier it is probably to
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abduct them yeah and to look at where they believe that David Evans was last seen and his his hat his
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his winter hat being found there lying on the ground trampled in the snow that to me indicates that this kid
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was snatched somebody ripped this kid off the streets and put him in their vehicle and so you compare that we now
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know that the same guy did this murder as well you have to wonder did he do the same thing to Brad Bolino 3 years ago go
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did he did he did he snatch that kid rip him off of the streets pull him into his
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goldcolored Monty Carlo and drive off with him the article goes on and it again they're talking about uh Captain
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worth here who commended the Ohio Attorney General David yoast and Ohio BCI forensic
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scientist Erica Y menz and Stacy Viola for their continued service and commitment to E each of these cases the
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Bolino case and the Evans case quote a lot of different efforts went into that case not only the Boardman police
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department but a lot of different agencies that have supported us in that one end quote attorney general Dave
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yoast also praised the families of the victims and the team that worked on the second murder saying superheroes don't
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always wear capes sometimes they wear lab coats our role at the Attorney General's office is not to be in law
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enforcement it's to provide support Logistics expertise and forensics and so forth to help them do their jobs losing
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a loved one is tremendously difficult especially when a family has to wait over 50 years to actually get the
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answers that they always knew existed this is a quote from Mahoning County prosecutor and saying that David was the
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victim of homicide at the hands of Joseph Norman Hill Senior this is the same man who took the life of Bradley
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Bolino many years ago investigating these cases is not easy and it actually was impossible until certain techniques
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related to DNA were developed and refined several years ago end quote so as the captain said when we let in here
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a bit of a side note Kudos too to The Vindicator who covered these two cases from the very beginning and did Gang
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Busters work on their continued coverage throughout the course of what amounted to over 50 years of media coverage in
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the homicide cases of Brad Bolino and David Evans well again at the time we didn't know if there was a personal
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connection between the Killer and Brad Bolino but there was still some speculation that these crimes were
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connected yeah and that was certainly our belief as well and I was very happy that we were able to put our stamp on
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that because that that's something that people would kind of hemmed and haed and limped in about giving their
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opinion on are any of these cases connected and it I thought when we reviewed them and looked at them very
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closely that the Bolino case and the Evans case looked very similar to me well the victimology seemed very
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similar exactly victim type they're both walking home they were both in neighborhoods you know we don't know
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exactly where unlike David Evans we don't know exactly where Bradley Bolino was picked up or pulled into that
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vehicle but what we do know is he was leaving Applewood acres and he was heading back to his neighborhood so they
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very likely could have been abducted in similar settings right at nighttime walking home a lot of similarities and
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then discarded of the even even the getting rid of the bodies very similar one in the dumpster one behind the
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bushes in in this area Town not far away from where Brad bolo's body was found either I also go I might go a step
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further and question what else was done to David Evans we do know that the this coma
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diabetic coma seems to have taken place but you know did did Joseph Norman Hill did he learn anything by leaving that
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belt with the previous victim did he learn anything about about what not to leave with the his next victim could
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that belt have made him nervous when he knew that the investigators were really honing in on that piece of evidence that
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key piece of evidence in the Brad Bolino case the other thing when we're handing
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out Kudos here captain that gets lost in the sauce on this story is David evans's
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father unfortunately in the Bolino case the parents were not still alive to see their son's homicide solved and closed
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after all of those years and unfortunately in David evans's case we have the same thing while siblings are
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still alive we don't have the parents of David Evans to have seen this CL case closed all these years later and
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especially my heartbreaks for his father so his father was one of the first to stand up with police and and
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maybe even encourage police to stand up at the beginning of the case and tell the coroner no this there's something
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terribly wrong here this is a homicide we need to be looking at it as such investigating it as such and David
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evans's father never stopped fighting for his son he attempted to rally the troops
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time and time again he opened up his own investigation that lasted years he wrote
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letters to the mayor to the governor to the president of the United States on behalf of his son and his son's case
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trying to get this case right the ship and get it to be investigated as a homicide and we know that bardman PD
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they were treating it as such all of those years but again limited on what resources they could P pull in based off
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of the coroner's conclusion and and ruling and so David evans's father was even communicating writing letters to
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inmates looking for an informant looking for information about his son's murder meeting with with violent people and
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career criminals behind prison bars in in in rooms interviewing them conducting his own
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investigation this great man never gave up on his son and I would want nothing more than for his for for him to have
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seen this to to witness that yes we we not only have changed our ruling all these years later but we also
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found the guy that was responsible and then you raised all these other questions right this just we had these
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questions when Joseph Norman Hill Senor was connected to the murder of Brad Bolino but now you have to double down
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on all those questions he killed so he killed another boy the Bolino case wasn't just a
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oneoff it was one of two it was one of how many you have to wonder at this point so he kills Bolino in 72 kills
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Evans in 75 and then in 1978 he moves from bourman Ohio out to California and I don't have a list of
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everywhere that he lived during that time San Bernardino is definitely referenced by police in their
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information about Joseph nor Hill but also they state that he lived at in at least 14 different residences that they
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can find in the state of California and so you have to wonder who or if did he kill anybody
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before Brad Bolino and who and if did he kill after David Evans and police rightfully so were now saying at this
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second news conference where they give us the information about David evans's death and their investigation into that
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homicide that we're not only looking for information on Joseph Norman Hill here in Ohio we're not only looking for
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air tall cans in the air for the good people of Boardman and all the work that was put into to these two cases over the
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course of over 50 years to finally get them solved and get some answers and now left here with some answers but more
00:32:33
questions you you were talking about given some Kudos these are cases that are almost 50 years old for them to
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still have the evidence I mean how many cases are only 20 30 years old and they go well H we think we lost the evidence
00:32:49
in a in a move or there was a fire there's they come up with a lot of excuses why they don't have the evidence
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anymore yeah it's it's like that old story that you hear with the uh the records right like so you talk to a
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school an orphanage a church uh really any building and you always hear that story
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of well we kept the records in the basement and in 1997 there was a flood and we lost all the records um so it it
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happens in in all forms of of business and all forms of uh municipalities uh so yeah you're right kudos to them for
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still having the evidence in these cases but then we talked about how police stated that the facts of the Thomas bar
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case they believe suggested that that bar case is much different than bolo's case and evans's case now couple things
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that we do know while we don't know a lot about Joseph Norman hill we do know that he was living in
00:33:51
Borman when Thomas bar was killed in 1970 it seems like he had a stretch there for about 6 Years or or maybe from
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what I can tell he may have grown up in the area um again they're still trying to
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piece together the timeline the Joseph Norman Hill timeline and put put him in different places and then examine any
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kind of cases that he could be connected to now we will hear from the experts we
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will hear from law enforcement that will say we're pretty confident that he's not
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responsible for any other murders in this area uh before leaving for California what they're not confident in is in is
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once he left Ohio but I want to throw this out there because I had I was able to team up with
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a couple of people and I want to give a some shout outs here first up a shout out to Carolyn berardino she wrote a
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fantastic article on the Boardman murders case for the porch light project years ago and it's up on on porchlight
00:34:58
online.org if you want to go there and read her article I highly recommend it it's one of the best articles about the
00:35:04
Boardman cases and also she's a local so she discusses what a lot of the suspicions were at the time even the
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local rumors at the time who could be responsible for the murders of these three
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kids so I spent a lot of time speaking with Carolyn and also a lot of time speaking with my friend Brian Smith the
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reason being is Carolyn was able to provide True Crime garage with the David Evans case File police case File and she
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provided that to us and I mean that that's big for us to be able to get a hold of a case File it
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happens maybe a dozen times or so to get a complete case File like that the David
00:35:47
Evans case same as the Brad Bolino case it didn't go unsolved for a lack of effort it didn't go unsolved for 50
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years due to a lack of effort right it's just a lack of technology and I can tell
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you that having reviewed that file so I called upon Carolyn and and Brian to help me review this file and track down
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any possible leads in it when this case was still unsolved because that case File 400 Pages approximately
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filled a lot of them with vehicle descriptions possible suspects and things of that nature and some of those
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suspects looked really good and now we sit here and we know that Joseph Norman Hill was ultimately responsible
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for not only the David Evans case but the Brad Bolino case so I don't know that I'm so quick to say
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hey we're confident that he wasn't responsible for anything else and I also want to throw this tidbit out there when
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we were reviewing that file and when we were reaching out to other people involving the Bolino case and and mind
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you we're reviewing this file before any of these cases were closed reaching out to other people
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about the Bolino case and even the beard case because the be case while we had always heard this story that police
00:37:03
think it was he was jumped by a group of kids from from another high school on his way home that there was some kind of
00:37:09
kafuffle that broke out at the skating rink and then he's on his way home and they must have attacked
00:37:14
him one piece of information that we came across that makes you really wonder what happened is we found in the police
00:37:26
Poli report that when Thomas bar was found having been beaten severely that his his pants were either
00:37:35
off or down around his ankles right was it clear whether or not he had a belt or not that's a good
00:37:43
question um I we might have to save that for off the Record because when I'm driving to the garage this morning
00:37:49
that's what popped in my mind I'm like what can I find you know I wish I had brought that report with me to
00:37:57
review for you because I can't remember if they they mention a belt or not but what stood out
00:38:05
was the pants down around the ankles or or completely removed or in the process of being removed because we know that
00:38:13
the Abduction of David Evans the murder of Brad Bolino were sexually motivated homicides by Joseph Norman Hill
00:38:22
Senior I'm not saying that a group of kids or older boys didn't attack Thomas Barett I'm not saying that what I'm
00:38:31
saying is it's confusing for me and it's difficult for me to wrap my head around
00:38:35
the idea that they beat this kid up and then pulled down his pants well I agree and but I also disagree because if these
00:38:44
kids were trying to if they were trying to humiliate him that's one thing I I get it I get that but what I'm saying is
00:38:52
we know that these other two homicides a child homicide in bourman Ohio in the 70s extremely rare extremely rare and we
00:39:00
now know that two of the three cases are 100% connected the same perpetrator involved sexually motivated homicides of
00:39:07
a child I just I'm not trying to sell it to anybody but I'm saying until the evidence tells us otherwise we should
00:39:15
not completely disregard the idea that maybe Joseph Norman Hill came across Thomas beard on his way home walking by
00:39:25
himself right picks him up or gets him into his vehicle and somehow a a fight breaks out
00:39:34
between the two of them or Thomas bear decides to defend himself and he's larger than Brad Bolino larger than
00:39:41
David Evans older maybe puts up a a better fight if you will and that this is the end
00:39:50
result I don't think we can just disregard that and to say to that we have the information now that we know
00:39:59
that bar was able to communicate with the investigators not verbally but communicated that yes he knew his
00:40:07
attackers or knew his attacker you talked about it the connection before we knew from science
00:40:15
and from DNA that it's the same perpetrator is the area could Joseph Norman Hill have known
00:40:23
Thomas bear did Thomas bear get into his vehicle because he knew Joseph Norman Hill so I wouldn't I wouldn't go be so
00:40:32
fast to disregard that what's very interesting to me though Captain is as soon as the Bolino case was C was closed
00:40:40
with this evidence they immediately jumped back on the horse and went after the David Evans case right so you have
00:40:47
to wonder if they have DNA in the beard case you know what they're doing right now they're working that be case
00:40:56
and it could be any day that we find out who's responsible for the murder of Thomas beard Joseph Norman Hill or
00:41:04
otherwise well obviously with these developments and these cases we're going to have statements from law enforcement
00:41:10
yes both the the current uh prosecutor and the Ohio attorney general had very interesting comments about closing out
00:41:18
the David Evans case and some of this will Echo statements that were given in the Bolino case here we have the
00:41:25
Mahoning County prosecutor stating quote I was comfortable we would end up getting an indictment if Mr Hill was
00:41:32
still alive this in regard to the David Evans case so two cases where she is confident that they would get an
00:41:39
indictment from a grand jury and then we have Boardman police Sergeant Mike Hughes who's talking more
00:41:47
about 1975 and the community at the time he's saying we had two young boys dead Hugh said that in the case file on
00:41:58
David Evans it indicated a large amount of panic at the time in the township and
00:42:04
after having reviewed that file I can say 100% yes that file had portions of it decent percentage of that file was
00:42:13
filled with letters that were to either to the newspaper or to the police pointing the finger at other
00:42:22
people or saying look what what what do we have here what's going on in our community it's not safe for my children
00:42:29
to play outside anymore the prosecutor goes on to say quote Mr Hill ruined So Many Lives I only wish that he had lived
00:42:37
long enough to have been brought to Justice and then David Yos said the investigation has conclusively linked
00:42:44
both homicides to Joseph Norman Hill in both cases the Mahoning County prosecutor's office determin that the
00:42:50
forensic evidence would be sufficient to present the cases to a grand jury for indictment
00:42:56
if Joseph Hill had remained alive quote while Hill cannot fully be held accountable for these horrendous crimes
00:43:05
our hope is that after almost 50 years knowing who is responsible for Bradley and David's deaths can bring some sense
00:43:13
of closure to the families and friends Yos called Joseph Hill a serial killer and said that other victims are being
00:43:23
sought well this can take some time because again he moved to different locations and you're going to have to go
00:43:30
through a pretty large part of his life I I don't believe he just started killing people at the age of 30 yeah he
00:43:38
would have been 32 when Bolino was killed and one thing that the the data tells us and this is this is not the
00:43:49
biggest of sample sizes I think this is across maybe 90 serial killers or so and
00:43:55
of course throughout his in the United States there's been unfortunately more than 90 serial killers but the data in
00:44:02
that sample size tells us that the average age that a serial killer starts killing is in their late 20s and that
00:44:13
the average age of an active serial killer before being caught or killed or before they stop the few that
00:44:21
do stop would be their late 20s so we're talking 25 to 29 or 30 is that prime meridian age that we're looking at
00:44:35
and so this could be two years four years seven years before we know that Joseph Norman
00:44:42
Hill Senior killed anybody and the thing is too that I wouldn't just because we have two boys here given their young age
00:44:52
and and their very young appearance I wouldn't Li limit my investigation to just
00:44:58
males I think you have to look at any potential young girl victims too and unfortunately we sit here we're a month
00:45:09
away from them closing David evans's case scratch that a month and a half almost two months away and we still know
00:45:17
very little about Joseph Norman Hills life and part of that is any children that he has I know I kept saying that he
00:45:25
has one child he I believe it's you know it's been reported that he has one child and that
00:45:30
seems to be very accurate from everything I can find but that relationship was estranged for for many
00:45:36
many years on top of that the person that likely knew him the best who may have been fooled by him just like the
00:45:43
rest of us would be his wife and his wife unfortunately passed away in 1993 so any suspicions she had or any
00:45:52
blanks that she could fill in for us we don't have that resource to go to right I sit here
00:45:59
and I don't think that this guy does two of these and may maybe he moved out to California and started a new maybe he
00:46:07
said I'm going to walk away from this life and I'm never going to do this again but he wasn't able to stop himself
00:46:12
on that night in 1972 and he wasn't able to stop himself again three years later
00:46:17
in 1975 so when did he start when did he stop and then the other troubling thing
00:46:25
is his occup we don't get a lot of information about this occupation I've done some digging
00:46:29
on this and the information is just not there that he drove a truck for a a bottling company for a bottled water
00:46:36
company further digging actually says that he he may have been delivering produce at the same time or delivering
00:46:44
produce uh at other times in his life so he had a job that put him out on the road what were those routes how
00:46:52
far did those routes go were they limited to Boardman or Youngstown or that general area or did they go outside
00:46:59
of those areas and when was he not prowling for a victim you don't just shut this thing off you don't just say
00:47:05
you know what I stay pretty busy between 8:00 a.m. and 400 p.m. I don't abduct kids during those times you don't just
00:47:13
shut these things off and the scary thing is we've you know this Captain we've seen it time and time this guy
00:47:20
looks like a normal dude he looks like a normal guy that you would see out washing his car in the driveway in your
00:47:26
neighborhood and would probably say hi to him and probably say hi back he looks like a normal friendly guy and if Brad
00:47:33
Bina was hitching a ride that's probably why he got in the car with this dude because he looked like a normal regular
00:47:39
guy but he wasn't he is a serial killer exactly yo said it we're saying it and like David yoast and the police chief
00:47:51
for Boardman said we need to to find out more about this guy for the state of Ohio his time in California and all
00:48:01
parts in between it's you it's [Music] you well it's such a privilege that you join us here each and every week and
00:48:20
it's a privilege that we're able to have some positive updates on these cases yeah it's so rewarding and I hope it's
00:48:29
equally rewarding for the listeners because you're a part of all of this when we can review a case and then later
00:48:36
it gets solved yeah it's I mean there is a weird sense of satisfaction for us here in the garage and I hope that you
00:48:45
all feel it too and while we don't sit here and pretend that we had anything to do with the solving of either of these
00:48:52
cases we cover these stories our job is to s the pot keep them in the spotlight and we wouldn't be able to do that
00:48:59
without the audience and so just it's another good day here in the garage so many of the cases that we've covered
00:49:06
have ended up being solved and even solved relatively quickly after our coverage so yeah really good news for
00:49:14
the people of Boardman I know that this has haunted many of them for so many years in the families and unfortunately
00:49:21
the the parents not being around to see the the resolve in both of these cases do we have any recommended reading for
00:49:29
the beautiful listeners this week we do Captain this week we will be recommending a novel this is Nas Fatu by
00:49:37
the great Joe Hill and side note not the Jose of Hill that we've spent the last two hours talking about here in the
00:49:45
garage we have author Joe Hill this is a novel Nas Fatu is a dark fantasy horror
00:49:51
about a woman trying to save her son from a vicious super natural killer his name Charlie Ms III who kidnaps children
00:50:00
across the country in his 1938 rollsroyce wraith normally Captain when we recommend something other than True
00:50:08
Crime it is for those looking for a little escape from the heaviness and the Heartbreak of true crime stories but
00:50:15
this one reads very much like a supernatural crime and murder fiction so this recommendation is more for those
00:50:22
looking for a dark Journey with hints of True Crime so check out Nas Fatu that's Nas the
00:50:30
number four the letter A the number two by Joe Hill you don't have to write that
00:50:36
great title down right now no because we will have it listed on our recommended page on True Crime garage go there and
00:50:42
find a lot of other wonderful recommendations as well and until next week be good be kind and don't
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