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grab a beer. Let's talk some true crime. [Music] [Music] Thomas Quick has been convicted of
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unspeakable crimes. He has confessed to stabbings, stranglings, rape, and cannibalism.
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He confessed to tricking young Charles Amanowitz into his car, driving the boy to the forest and raping and killing
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him. He confessed to snatching up little Yan Aspelin on his way to school, never to
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be seen again. Thomas told of the time that he attacked an unsuspecting married couple in the
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middle of the night. He told his doctors and then told investigators about the time he took a
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24 year old tourist captive because he liked the way that he looked. [Music] He shocked the courts when Thomas
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admitted to chopping up a little girl, but adding he had wished the victim would have been a boy.
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Quick confessed that while traveling in Norway, he killed a prostitute and kidnapped and murdered a 17-year-old
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girl. [Music] In all, Thomas Quick confessed to over 30 brutal murders, making him Sweden's
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most evil and worst serial killer. This man is better known by the name of Thomas Quick, but his birth name is
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Stuart Bergwall. And he was born in Sweden in the year 1950. Born into a large family, he had a couple brothers
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and a couple of sisters. >> One of them was his twin sister. There were seven kids altogether. For the sake
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of this episode, we will refer to him as Thomas Quick. Thomas became aware at the
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age of 14 that he is a homosexual. And you know, most of us can imagine that in the 1960s was a pretty tough time for a
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young man to be coming out. Back then in Sweden, being gay was considered well, basically a a disorder. And, you know,
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people were treated with therapy for being homosexual. Thomas started getting into trouble at
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an early age. His grades were not very good. And he was getting in trouble for things like touching and grabbing
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classmates. >> Mhm. He also became a drug addict at an early age. But Thomas started to feel
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like there was a place for him in this world when he was still a teenager. He fell in love with an older man. This guy
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was like 15 years older than him. M >> they had a relationship for a few months and then the guy ends up committing
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suicide and of course this destroys Thomas and he starts going well pretty hard at the drinking and with the drugs
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after this and right before Thomas's 19th birthday he would be high on some drugs and what he claims and he'd be
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walking around the town of Fallen and he would grab a a kid by the neck. >> Yes. This was an 11 yearear-old boy. He
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grabbed him by the neck and he took him into a garage. He told the boy to pull down his pants and Thomas then touched
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the boy inappropriately. >> Two other such events occurred as well shortly after this. After which Thomas
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got himself into a lot of trouble regarding an incident at the fallen hospital >> where Thomas Quick was an employee of
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>> Yeah. One night while he was working, he saw a 9-year-old boy sleeping in his
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hospital bed. And Thomas touched the boy and sexually assaulted the boy. The boy
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woke up and started screaming. Thomas put his hand over the boy's mouth to silence the screams. And it sounds like
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Thomas was choking the boy as well. Regardless, he tried to silence the boy so long and so forcibly that blood
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started coming from the boy's nose. At the sight of blood, Thomas fled, believing that he had killed the boy. He
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had in fact had not killed the boy. >> Because of this, Thomas was sent to live in a mental hospital. And for the next
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few years, Thomas was in and out of residential treatment of this hospital. So, Thomas is a drug addict now. And it
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it seems to me like Thomas is heavy into the drugs, and when he is heavy into the
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drugs, he's out of control, and he's very dangerous. Mhm. >> When Thomas is clean and sober, it seems
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to be a whole different story. >> Well, it seems like he he's using the drugs as a way to deal with uh his
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homosexuality. >> Yes. And and other issues that he might be having >> right >> now. Thomas gets clean, you know, while
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he's receiving treatment and he gets better and this leads to outpatient treatment. However, after Thomas is
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being treated as an outpatient, he gets hooked on drugs again and we start to see this outofcontrol monster growing
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inside of him. When Thomas Quick is 23, he's in the town of Upsula and he goes out clubbing. He went to a place that he
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considered to be a gay hangout. There he met a student named Leonard. The two of
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them hit it off pretty good. They spend the evening drinking and talking, and they end up going back to Leonard's
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place. Now, Thomas is still very much a drug addict at this time, and he was sniffing a solvent. And he would sniff
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this because it would make him hallucinate. So, he starts off sniffing this stuff after a night of drinking.
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And I believe he's doing this unbeknownst to Leonard. Leonard goes to the bathroom and when he comes out,
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Thomas starts attacking him. He has grabbed a knife that he found in the apartment. He's stabbing Leonard over
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and over again. >> Yeah, I believe he stabbed him 12 times. Thomas would later claim that he was in
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fact hallucinating quite a bit that night and that Thomas believed that he was defending himself, saying that when
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Leonard came out of the bathroom, he didn't see Leonard at all, but instead he saw a very large monster that he
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believed would attack and kill him. >> Mhm. >> Leonard watched as Thomas washed off the
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knife after stabbing him, trying to clean the knife of blood and fingerprints. Thomas stuffed the knife
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into his leather jacket and left Leonard there to die. Thomas had stabbed Leonard, like the captain said, 12
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times, stabbing him in the liver, intestines, and the left lung. Police would later find the knife in a canal.
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And somehow Leonard survives this attack. >> Right. >> In 1990, Thomas Quick is still drinking
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a lot and he's severely addicted to drugs. He's 40 years old by this time and he's in trouble financially. this
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most likely because of the drug addiction and he decides to try his hand at a little bank robbery. Thomas and an
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18-year-old man go to the home of the bank manager. Thomas is wearing a Santa Claus mask and the partner is wearing a
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ski mask. The two knock on the door at 5:45 a.m. and the manager answers the door to his home. They then force their
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way inside. Thomas is waving a knife at the man and Thomas's partner has a gun pointed at the man.
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>> Mhm. >> They then grab the man's wife and 10-year-old son and herd them into a
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bedroom. Thomas's partner takes the bank manager to the bank where he's going to
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take money from the safe and as an insurance policy. Thomas is going to stay behind at the manager's home,
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basically taking the wife and the kid hostage. While the man and Thomas's partner were gone, Thomas yelled and
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screamed, waving his knife at the woman and her son. He kicked over furniture. He stabbed the bed and stabbed the walls
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several times. >> He had a broad face with a little round belly. He shook when he laughed like a
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bowl full of jelly. >> Well, he's being very violent and he's threatening both of them with his knife.
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>> Mhm. >> He also tells the woman and her son that he is infected with the AIDS virus and
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he only has a very short time to live. So, it really doesn't matter to him if the two lived or died that day. It It
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wouldn't bother him one bit. He's got nothing else going. >> Nothing to live for.
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>> Nothing to lose. Of course. >> Well, right. Nothing. Yeah, that's better. >> Of course, Thomas. This is not a really
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wellthoughtout plan. Uh it really kind of just spirals out of control. And he's actually caught later that day for this
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crime. and he ends up going to a psychiatric hospital, a place called Seder. Now, I believe this time that
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it's going to be quite different for Thomas, though, because this place is described pretty much as a place that is
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somewhere between a hospital and a prison. So, it sounds to me like this is a little more hardcore and deservingly
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so for Thomas. Now, at Seder, he is going to undergo a much different type of therapy and treatment than he has
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participated in before. >> Mhm. It sounds like this type of therapy involves a lot of drugs and a lot of
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lengthy therapy sessions. It is here at Seder that he would change his name from
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Stir Bergwall to Thomas Quick. And there is some reasoning behind the name Thomas
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Quick. Quick is his mother's family name. And Thomas is >> maiden name. and Thomas. The name Thomas
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comes from someone that we have not talked about yet, but Thomas was the name of Thomas Quick's first victim, a
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14-year-old boy whose bloody lifeless body was found in a shed with his pants partially removed.
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>> And Thomas Quick was actually 14 at the time of this murder. And he didn't confess to it till years later.
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>> But because Sweden has a statute of limitations that he could actually be charged for this murder,
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>> right? He was never charged or convicted of of this actual crime. >> And as we know that in United States
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there is no statute of limitations on murder. >> We're going to hold you accountable for
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the rest of your life. >> And it seems like the doctors or the the treatment that he was receiving it was
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kind of like this cuttingedge idea. >> And the idea was that you have probably these repressed memories or these
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repressed, you know, a a repressed memory of you seeing a crime. And so if we can open up this repressed memory
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that it would also open up this repressed uh time where you actually committed a crime.
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>> Yeah. That that this violent behavior that you would repress some of these memories and later due to the treatment
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be able to recall some of these acts that you've committed or witnessed before. >> Now it's during this therapy and
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treatment that Thomas Quick starts to open up and he's offering a confession of sorts. In June of 1992, he tells one
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of the caregivers at the psychiatric hospital that he has done something very serious, right?
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>> And it's almost like he's going to be playing a game. He doesn't come right out and say it. Uh I can't figure out if
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he was just reluctant to say it and wanted someone else to say the words. Uh but first it's like he wants the
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caregiver to guess what he's about to tell her, >> saying that he would give her a clue.
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And the clue is mu. >> Yeah. So he's basically trying to confess to a murder. >> Yes. He's he's saying that he possibly
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has committed a murder and he might be willing to confess this to his doctors. >> Mhm.
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>> Well, after doing so, the the doctors at Seder, they get some investigators involved because now they have a crime
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to report. And once the investigators sit down with Thomas Quick, they're able to go through some crimes that he's
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saying that he has committed. >> Right. But before this actually takes place, because he says, "I I want to
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talk about a murder that happened," they're actually going to start giving him a lot more attention. They're
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actually he's actually going to see receive more therapy treatments uh to have him open up his mind so he can
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recall these events. >> Mhm. They they want to make him comfortable so he can explore and
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confess these items to them. >> Mhm. Eventually, this this investigation will lead to the trial process, and the
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trial started in 1994. This was for the murder of a 15-year-old boy named Charles Zamanowitz.
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Thomas explained how he and a friend were looking for a boy in November of 1976 when they saw Charles walking along
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the road late one evening, visibly distressed and alone. Thomas pulled over to offer the boy a ride home. Charles
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accepted the ride. During the ride, Thomas starts touching and feeling Charles's hands and body. He convinces
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Charles to fool around with him. So, they stopped off and parked. Thomas's friend who was driving and now that they
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are parked, well, he wanted to join in. But then Thomas Quick became angered at something that Charles had said, and he
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put his hands around Charles's neck and he choked the boy until he was dead. Afterward, Quick played further sexual
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games with the dead body. Then the two of them carried the body into the forest. Quick had a knife and a saw.
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Quick is going to use this saw to cut up the different body parts. Reason being is his doctors would claim at trial his
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sexuality was actually driven by this. that each body part symbolized a different value system.
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>> It seems to me, Captain, like they're trying to apply logic to complete craziness here. You know, stating that
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basically he knew that Thomas Quick knew before he started cutting up the body that he what parts he wanted to remove,
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maybe what parts he wanted to take with him. Um, at the trial, Thomas Quick described the way that the body uh
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seemed to have it groaned as he cut it up. >> He also described what he called a sweet
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odor that was released from the body as he was cutting it up. He explained how he cut off parts of the body and took a
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leg and a hand with him and put them in a gray plastic bag and then covered the rest of the body with debris and moss.
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>> Yeah, I'm sure it's this beautiful smell. Oh, I mean it smells as good as Nickelback.
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>> After the murder, a short time later, the accomplice came to Thomas Quick and
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he said that because of his participation in Charles's murder and the dumping of the body that he was
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having a lot of suicidal thoughts. Now, Thomas says that he advised his friend that he should follow through with these
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thoughts and the friend ultimately committed suicide. >> Yeah, that I I think that's reasonable.
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Well, and that this is Thomas Quick's way of explaining why he he tells this story of him being with a friend. They
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abduct this boy. They do terrible things to him, and now all of a sudden, this this friend is nowhere to be found.
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>> How about this one? Kill yourself before you do something like that. >> This was the first confession, but it
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would not be the last. And same with the murder trials as well. There were going
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to be many more confessions and several more murder trials. Thomas went to trial
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again, but this time he was facing charges for a double murder. This is for a husband and wife named Marinus and
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Janney Stagen House. Now, they were tourist and they were murdered at a secluded lakeside campsite in 1984.
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Thomas Quick explained how he had snuck up to the tent very quietly and then in a frenzied attack he stabbed the husband
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through the tent canvas and as the man lie there bleeding. Thomas then went inside the tent. He gave a detailed
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confession as to what took place from there, but we don't need to go through all of the details of this horrific
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attack. Well, not only did they do confessions, but they would always take him to the scenes as well. And they'd
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actually set up like a tent >> and they'd have him reenact it. >> Yeah. >> And he'd make all these noises where
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he'd, you know, he'd start stabbing, but the whole time he'd stab him, he's going,
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>> he's he sounds he sounds like a some kind of animal, you know, when when this
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is going on, but he's reliving it, >> right? He also acts like he's in this like trance like state like because they
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were able to uh take these these thoughts that were repressed and they bring them to the surface because of
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that he it puts him in a translike state. >> Mhm. >> It's very dramatic. >> Mhm.
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>> All in all due to his confession and the forensic evidence it is known that he
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stabbed the husband 25 times and the wife after which he had stabbed 20 times. This appears simply to be a crime
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of opportunity to me. He He happened upon the two and attacked them. They didn't even know what was happening
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until it was too late. >> Right. >> Thomas stated that this was >> Have fun camping this weekend.
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>> Well, this was a very very much a psychological thing for him that in some way he was attacking his own parents and
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that killing that married couple. It was like he was killing his parents who he,
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you know, ultimately blamed for a very nasty childhood. >> So, the fourth crime that he would be
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convicted of that Thomas Quick would also confess to would be a crime that took place in 1988.
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>> This was for the murder of 24year-old Israeli student Yen Levy, who was visiting family and sightseeing. Thomas
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Quick told how he kidnapped Levy at a train station and took him to a vacant home. Once there, Levy tried to escape
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and made it out of the house and into the yard, but Quick soon caught up to the man, recaptured him and killed him
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there in the home, >> which is surprising because, you know, Thomas Quick just looks like a bag of
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skin, you know, no muscles. And Yen was 24, so you'd think that he would be able
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to outrun, you know, this he basically looks just like a like a bag of skin, you know, filled with poop.
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Yeah, he He doesn't look strong. He's not strong or athletic looking by any means. No,
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>> he looks very soft. >> The first The fifth murder that Thomas Quick would be convicted of was for the
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murder of a 9-year-old Norwegian girl. Her name is Theres Johannes, and this took place in 1988 as well. Thomas Quick
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described how he had seen the girl somewhere near her home. Now, the day that he saw her, it was raining very
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hard, and she had taken cover while she was waiting for the downpour to finish. Quick pulled over and engaged the girl
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in light conversation before grabbing her and taking her down a slope to a secluded area.
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>> Is this the girl that he actually assumed at first was a a young boy? >> I think so. Yes. Uh he he then smashed
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her head against a rock until she was unconscious. He reported that her last words were her crying out for her
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mother. He later recalled how he was extremely disappointed after taking her body back to the car because she turned
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out to be a girl and not a boy. After dismembering her, he then hid different body parts in different places around
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the area. He said that he returned to where he had buried these parts the following year and he burned the
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remains. And at one of the sites, he identified what investigators found to be a a bone fragment and it was sent off
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for analysis. Now, I do want to specify here that this was a an extremely small piece that they found and it was too old
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or too degraded uh for any type of DNA analysis. >> For the sixth and seventh murders, he
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would be tried for, he would be tried for both of those at the same time. Both of these murders, just like the last one
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that we discussed, took place in Norway. Uh the first was for a 23-year-old female prostitute named Gray Stovvic,
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and this took place in 1985. He said that he had he had basically taken her captive, and he forced her to
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strip, he tortured her, and then he described how she vomited as he beat her. He basically beat her to death. M
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the seventh murder was that of 17-year-old Trine Jensen, who Thomas Quick killed in 1981. He stated that he
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violently stranged her, strangled her with a strap from her handbag. His last murder conviction was for a
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very famous case and one of the first murders that Thomas had actually confessed to. This is for the murder of
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an 11-year-old boy named Johan Aspen, which took place in 1980. Mhm. >> Johan had disappeared November 7th, 1980
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in Sunsville, Sweden. He was supposed to be having a friend stay the evening with
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him that night at his parents house. The boy's friend arrived at the home before
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Yan did. >> Yeah. >> And the boy was told that Johan had not yet returned from school so that the boy
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should run down and go back to the school and meet up with him and the two could walk back to the home together.
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>> And this was a hugely popular case in Sweden. Mhm. >> This would be very similar to a case
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that we had here, not as far as the details, but as far as the popularity of the case, our case here being um the
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Adam Walsh case. The boy then after being instructed to go find his friend and walk home with him, well, he comes
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back to the home and he says that he had learned that Johan had not actually gone
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to school that day. Uh the disappearance of this boy very quickly was te televised and many people came out to
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lend their time to look for the boy. Hundreds of people searched for him and he was not found. Uh over 10 years
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later, Thomas Quick then confessed to doctors and then to investigators that he had saw the little boy on his way to
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school that November morning. Thomas Quick spoke to the boy, saying that he had hit a cat with his car and asked if
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the boy could help him out. The boy agreed to help Quick. And when Johan bent over to look under the car for the
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cat, Quick grabbed the boy by the hair and he smashed his head into the car. He then pulled him inside of the vehicle.
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He drove the boy to the countryside where he sexually assaulted him and then strangled him. quick cut up the body and
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he buried some of the internal organs there on the countryside, but he put the hands on the on the car's front seat and
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the head and the legs in a plastic bag and then the remains of the torso in another bag.
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>> He then disposed of one hand along the roadside as he drove away. He buried the
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other hand in a stream. He tossed it in a stream. >> He kept the legs in his attic for a
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while. And he states that some of the other parts of the boy, he ate them. >> All right.
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>> Well, he these are the murders that he was convicted of. There were eight of them. He went to trial six times to be
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tried for eight total murders. >> Now, the thing here is he did confess to many more. He confessed to over 30
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murders. Some of those were not brought to trial because of the statute of limitations.
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>> Others they could not verify that he had actually committed the murders. Now, in
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these cases that we just discussed here, now I apologize for the graphic details
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and the graphic nature of some of those confessions, but these were statements that were taken from
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>> It is a true crime show. >> Yeah, the these are statements that were taken from these trials. Um, and I did
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summarize them quite a bit to leave out some of some of the other stuff that that just wasn't necessary. But the
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thing here is not only do we see a guy confessing time and time again to to different murders and keep in mind these
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are murders. Some of these are taking place in other countries and he's confessed these to his doctors and then
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he goes forward and confesses them to the investigators and to the police afterwards
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>> and then sometimes reenacting them. >> Exactly like you had said. They take them out to the scene. They they kind of
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restructure everything. You know, we saw the one the one set where they built the
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tent, >> right? >> And uh he's describing how he's stabbing the it looks like a man just standing
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next to a tent, stabbing it. >> He starts grunting >> and you learn that inside there there
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are people sleeping. Now, the thing here is we see these multiple confessions, uh
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eight convictions, but on top of that, not only is he confessing to these crimes, but he's confessing that to them
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in detail. You know, he's not saying, "Oh, I went out and I grabbed >> somebody."
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>> Billy Bob, you know, just making up some random name. >> The captain >> and yeah, in in the middle of nowhere. I
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don't know where I was. >> And I don't know what day it was or or what year it was.
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>> Show comes out on Tuesday, >> but I killed these people here and these people there. No, we're seeing detailed
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confessions where he's stating, you know, I picked up this specific person >> and this is how I killed them. I got
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them into my vehicle. I took them elsewhere and I and I did what I wanted with them. Now, the other thing though
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too here, Captain, we also see a victimology that is clearly all over the map. Uh it it sounds to me like his
00:29:15
ideal victim would be like a teenage boy or a younger boy. Uh but he doesn't seem
00:29:21
to be able to control himself at all. And and he he's killing adults. He's killing, you know, women, girls, boys.
00:29:29
It's the victimology is really all over the map. And he because of these confessions and because of these eight
00:29:36
murders, he becomes a bit of a a legend in Sweden. You know, they're they refer to him as Sweden's Hannibal Lectar. You
00:29:44
know, he's he's their most evil. He's their worst serial killer that the country has ever seen. You know, and and
00:29:52
the thing here too is some almost refer to him as the first serial killer. like like his crimes are so they're such a
00:30:01
large number of them and they're so heinous that if there were any other serial killers, they almost forgot about
00:30:06
everybody except for the very evil Thomas Quick. [Music] All right, we're back. Cheers, mates.
00:30:29
>> Cheers. Now, I tell you what, Captain, we have to talk about the therapy and the treatment that Thomas Quick was
00:30:36
receiving at Seder. And we touched upon it a little bit in the first half, and unfortunately, we had to go through all
00:30:43
the gruesome details of some of the murders that he confessed to, but these were ones that he was actually convicted
00:30:48
of. Mhm. >> Now the thing here is captain I don't want anybody to get the wild idea that
00:30:53
that this is our wheelhouse that we fully understand this type of treatment that he was receiving. But the basic
00:31:01
thought that I pulled away from what it was how it was presented to me was that because he was in this psychiatric
00:31:08
hospital because he had con you know he was convicted of violent crimes. You know, we saw the attack on the
00:31:16
9-year-old boy that took place at the hospital where he worked, right? >> We saw the the stabbing of the young man
00:31:23
that he met at the at the bar. >> I mean, that's basically two attempted murders.
00:31:28
>> Yes. Very, very violent attacks. Uh, in the first one, you could argue was a,
00:31:33
you know, it was a sexual violent attack as well. Mhm. >> So, the way that he's going to be
00:31:37
treated is they're going to be treating him for his sexual violence uh that he's
00:31:43
in for. >> And because of this, they might have some preconceived notions that he might
00:31:49
he might be guilty of some other events that that they are unaware of. You know,
00:31:54
if he was capable of stabbing a man 12 times, if he was capable of almost strangling a a young boy to death, who
00:32:01
knows what else this person could have done. Yeah. So they once they start treating him
00:32:09
>> and he starts coming forward with this idea that he may have possibly murdered
00:32:14
somebody and he wants to talk about that. Well, it's shortly after this that it seems like the floodgates just open
00:32:21
wide up and he and he and now he's he's said, you know, I've I've committed over
00:32:27
30 murders. >> I've been doing this since I was about since I was a teenager. I've been
00:32:32
killing people. And mind you, for a good portion of his adult life, he's in these
00:32:38
he's in this hospital, >> you know. So we're so we're talking about a a a specific window here where
00:32:46
he would have had to have killed over 30 people in several different countries. The way that I understand this therapy
00:32:53
to be is that once they come up with these confessions and they learn that he has done these terrible things, you
00:33:01
know, we we talk about he's confessed to stabbing people, to choking people to death, strangling them,
00:33:09
>> raping, and even eating some parts of some of his victims. >> Uhhuh. They start to say that, you know
00:33:15
what, this violent behavior, this sexual, this way that his sexuality and violence has all gotten mixed up
00:33:23
together must have stem from things that happened in his childhood. >> Now, I would say there's probably some
00:33:31
validity there. We have heard many serial killers come out and say that, you know, they they have sexual
00:33:37
fantasies and they all involve violence that that some of them can't seem to achieve gratification without the
00:33:45
violence in those sexual acts. And we even hear people talk about, you know, from a very young age that they had
00:33:52
sexual fantasies that involved violence. Well, what is the root of that is what they're going to look for. Where did
00:33:59
that come from? Why is this guy an adult and he's he's strangling people? He's killing people and he's sexually
00:34:06
assaulting them as well. >> Well, you're right. And their their theory is basically that this is
00:34:11
something that was learned or seen. They weren't just born with this, you know, appetite for a violent sexual appetite,
00:34:19
I guess. Right. >> Right. >> But that they saw something in their childhood. Maybe they saw their mother
00:34:24
being raped. And so therefore by seeing that event it caused them to want to go out and rape others.
00:34:31
>> So in some ways it would be a learned behavior, >> right? Or or in a way they're also
00:34:36
reenacting this trauma. So that's basically what it was is that because there was some kind of trauma that they
00:34:42
repress that image, they repress that vision and that memory and all that stuff and that we have to do this type
00:34:50
of therapy to make them be able to relive that trauma. Mhm. Yeah. Because until they can relive it, well, there's
00:34:58
no way to learn from it, overcome it, and become a better person. >> And the thing here is we we kind of
00:35:04
touched upon it a little bit in the first half, >> right? you know, where Thomas Quick
00:35:08
explains that he believes that the the reason for the double murder at the campsite where he where he stabbed the
00:35:15
husband and wife to death, >> that he believed that it was because of he had a nasty childhood growing up and
00:35:21
that in some way he was almost killing his own father and his own mother that that night at the campsite.
00:35:29
>> Right. Claiming that they're very abusive. >> Exactly. So now we should be clear here
00:35:34
though because these confessions, you know, it took it took lots of therapy, lots of sessions to get these
00:35:42
confessions to come out. And what ends up being presented about his childhood takes quite an extensive amount of time
00:35:51
to come forward as well. But with the help of the doctors, um he is able to to basically retell a a a traumatic event
00:36:03
that happened in his childhood. >> And this is supposed to explain to us why he is capable of these things as a
00:36:11
teenager and as an adult. >> Now, I I'm going to apologize in advance as we try to talk about this event,
00:36:19
>> but it is a true crime show. So, >> it's a true crime show. The first half was pretty gruesome. This next few
00:36:25
minutes might be even more gruesome. >> Um but but Thomas Quick starts to describe abuse that's happening at the
00:36:34
hands of his parents from a very young age and there is one extremely horrific event uh that that he that he brings
00:36:44
forward that is extremely traumatic and it goes something like this. He we don't
00:36:50
know at what age. I don't know that they were able to specifically say what age this occurred,
00:36:56
>> but young like six years old or so. >> He would have been pretty young at the
00:37:00
time. And apparently his father was abusing him, not just physically um but sexually as well.
00:37:08
>> Sodomizing them. >> During this event, he is being raped by his father. And for whatever reason, um, his mother goes
00:37:20
into acute labor. >> Well, yeah. So, he he is being raped by his father and the mother comes in and
00:37:27
she is pregnant at the time. And so, when she sees this event taking place, it's the shock of seeing, you know, her
00:37:36
husband raping her son that brings her into labor. >> Mhm. And this is a violent rape as well.
00:37:43
It's it's, you know, and the thing here is sends her into labor way, you know, way early in the pregnancy. Um, and the
00:37:51
baby is I I don't believe the baby is alive, >> right? Maybe it's still born or >> Yeah. But but the baby is still
00:38:00
attached to the mother. Um. >> Right. And what then happens is that the mother freaking out because of this
00:38:09
situation and and who knows what else uh starts to abuse Thomas as well. >> Um and this is physical abuse, you know,
00:38:20
violently hurting him as well as the father at the same time. >> And they the two parents react to the
00:38:28
birth of this this baby >> uh >> Simon. >> Yes. they they give the name Thomas gives the name of Simon uh that would
00:38:36
have been his brother. Um they basically start abusing the baby immediately after
00:38:43
the birth >> um to the point of dismemberment. Um and during the course of this they
00:38:50
are um >> just say it. >> Okay. uh they they the parents may have been consuming parts of the baby and
00:39:00
forcing Thomas to consume parts of the baby. >> And when he says consume, he means eat.
00:39:08
>> And and then the you know, let's just say what there what it is. I mean, you know, he's Thomas is now making these
00:39:16
crazy allegations about his family members >> and mind you that he has other he has
00:39:21
another six siblings. >> Correct. Yeah. And when this event is over, what happens is the father is
00:39:30
going to dispose of of Simon who was just born, >> right? And what he's going to do is make
00:39:35
Thomas go with him. They they bundle up the baby into newspapers and they head out to the woods and they bury the uh
00:39:44
the fetus into they bury the baby into the woods. >> Yes. Yeah. They wrap the baby up in in
00:39:51
newspapers and then they bury the baby at a place called Framby Point, >> right? And so then the doctors are going
00:39:58
to then start concluding, well, a lot of these crimes that he's confessed to, they they took place in the woods.
00:40:04
>> Mhm. >> So that would be the link there. Uh any of the pedophilia stuff or the sexual
00:40:11
fantasies towards children would be based off of the fact that he was raped by his father.
00:40:15
>> Yes. And then any of the dismemberments would have been the dismemberment of Simon. Any of the cannibalism would be
00:40:23
because of the parents eating parts of Simon or that he ate parts of Simon. He was forced to.
00:40:29
>> Yes. >> And the these are the connections they're drawing. Now, mind you, what the
00:40:33
whole time these investigations were happening, they're trying to explain this idea that all these thoughts are
00:40:39
repressed memories. Now, a lot of this doesn't make sense as far as the true crime listeners will go because, you
00:40:45
know, one thing that I I don't believe, but that's just because I have a horrible memory. So, if you ask me what
00:40:50
happened, if you ask me what case we covered 3 weeks ago, I couldn't tell you. Boys on the track. Um
00:40:57
but but most what we've seen through time and through the cases that we've done a lot of research on it seems like
00:41:03
these serial killers maybe they can't remember a lot of stuff that was going on that year but they could tell you
00:41:09
about that day and and and and a lot of details. >> Yeah. So what you know, so what these
00:41:15
doctors were saying and what these therapists were saying was well this is a whole different case and that this guy
00:41:21
Thomas Quick is actually he's repressing all these memories because he had this early childhood trauma that he
00:41:27
repressed. So he's repressing all the murders. >> Mhm. >> But uh so when he's telling you this
00:41:34
stuff and he's confessing to some of this stuff, some of the details are wrong. >> Right.
00:41:40
>> Right. So then now the investigators are going, "Well, uh, hey doc, this doesn't
00:41:45
line up." >> Mhm. >> And the doctors are saying, "Well, look, it's repressed. It's a repressed
00:41:50
memory." >> It's all coming back to him. >> It's all coming back to Thomas at the
00:41:54
same time that he's trying to tell you and walk you through what he done. You know that this this is this is a person
00:42:01
that's been traumatized over a lifetime. and because of this trauma has repressed
00:42:07
any horrific memory that he may have. And whether it's something he's done or whether it's something he's witnessed,
00:42:14
he's tucked those memories away even from himself. And now we are pulling those forward. We're bringing them to
00:42:21
light and he's able to tell us things that he has done and things that he has witnessed in his lifetime.
00:42:27
>> Right? And so what we have to do, this is what the doctors say. What we have to
00:42:31
do is these confessions are going to be a little different. We can't just sit down with Thomas and have him tell us
00:42:36
all the details and expect for them to be right. We're going to have to have a confession. You're going to have to talk
00:42:43
to him. You might have to interrogate him. Then we're going to have to go back to therapy.
00:42:47
>> Mhm. >> And we're going to have to try to get some of the more of the details out.
00:42:51
>> Yes. Because not only are these memories unclear to him, to Thomas Quick, but
00:42:58
there are so many of them that they could be muddled together and the details of such could be, you know, all
00:43:04
mixed up into one another. And we're going to have to really kind of pull these pull these apart and take what
00:43:11
what you know, what facts you know investigator about the case and what Thomas is relearning and what he is
00:43:18
remembering about himself and about his crimes. And we're gonna have to kind of we might have to fuse them together in a
00:43:27
way. Uh because >> do the best we can >> because we we know he's a violent offender and we know that he's he's
00:43:34
having these confessions and we know that he's he's he's confessing to people that we know have been murdered that
00:43:41
have either disappeared or they have been murdered. >> Now mind you, the whole time Thomas
00:43:46
Quick is not in a prison. He's in this mental facility and uh you know he becomes a star patient. He becomes a
00:43:55
person of interest. >> Yes. >> He becomes somebody that they they they want to talk to on a daily. Oh, and by
00:44:00
the way, you get some perks. Oh, you're murdering people. You murdered some people now and now you're telling us
00:44:07
about it. Oh, well, here's extra room. Now you got your room. Now you got a den. Oh, you need the internet to do
00:44:15
some research to maybe jog your memory. We'll get you the internet. >> Yeah. Where most of the patients would
00:44:21
have had a a a smaller room. Um, and like the captain said, it's not a prison. It's it's a it's a psychiatric
00:44:28
hospital. Um, it has been described by some of the patients as partly a prison, partly a hospital. Well, I it it looks
00:44:36
to me like there is some form of lockdown, you know, that they're not just roaming free out out in the public
00:44:43
uh and then coming back at night. No, they're they're confined to this property. Um but like the captain said,
00:44:51
you know, these these perks come in in different ways. And this is not perks for murdering people. We're not
00:44:56
rewarding you for murdering people. However, what we are doing, we're going to reward you for really working hard at
00:45:03
this treatment and really focusing on this and and bringing these things to light. Uh we're going to reward you
00:45:10
because you're working so hard on your therapy and you're working well with this treatment.
00:45:13
>> Right. And the whole time through this too, Thomas is is very heavily medicated. Uh taking medicine as much as
00:45:20
like 8 to 10 times a day. >> Mhm. For years, Thomas Quick was confessing to these murders. And between
00:45:26
the years of 1994 and 2001, Thomas Quick was convicted of eight of these murders.
00:45:33
Now, >> eight of the 30. >> Correct. Now, shortly after this, Thomas Quick goes silent. He decides one day
00:45:41
that he's no longer going to work with the investigators. Uh he's no longer going to help them solve their crimes,
00:45:48
their cases that they're working on. Mhm. >> He's not even really open to the same
00:45:53
form of treatment and therapy that he's been receiving for years at the hospital. He he basically shuts down. Um
00:46:02
and he he has stopped confessing to murder and he stopped cooperating with the doctors at Seder,
00:46:09
>> right? The doctors and law enforcement. >> And during this time, it's it's around
00:46:13
the same time that he now remember Thomas Quick was not his birth name. It was a name that he gave himself once he
00:46:20
started receiving treatment. And it's about this same time that he decides he wants to return to his birth name. He no
00:46:27
longer wants to be referred to as Tomic Thomas Quick. >> Yeah. And now he wants to be referred to
00:46:31
as Batman. >> It's during this time as well that he's going to start severely backing off of
00:46:37
this medication that he's taking. >> Well, he's probably on a bunch of stuff he shouldn't be on.
00:46:41
>> It's during this time that Thomas Quick, he sees a documentary. Now, this is very
00:46:46
interesting here, Captain, because it has a lot to do with with his life. >> He he's watching this documentary on
00:46:53
confessions, and it's murder confessions. >> It's why as basically why do people
00:46:58
confess to crimes >> to crimes that they have not committed? >> Mhm. >> And the the curious thing here is he's
00:47:06
intrigued by this documentary. And the documentarian reaches out to Thomas Quick. He had re reviewed
00:47:15
Thomas's story and watched some of the trials and he was aware of Thomas and he wanted to speak with him and he wanted
00:47:24
to find out more about Thomas's cases and his confessions and his memories. >> And one of the things that he actually
00:47:30
did was they took all the confessions and they took all the evidence and they actually gave it to a profiler.
00:47:36
>> Yes. Now, this profiler reviewed all of the statements, all of the documents.
00:47:42
Mhm. >> And he didn't believe in all of his experience, he did not believe that they
00:47:48
actually had something there that he felt like they were on the wrong track that this guy Thomas Quick may not have
00:47:55
committed >> any of these crimes, >> any of the crimes, let alone all of them. And it's through this
00:48:02
documentarian who reaches out to Thomas Quick. And Thomas is a he's not so quick
00:48:07
to respond to to him is what it sounds like to me. But they end up talking and they end up working together. And it's
00:48:14
through this correspondence that we learn what, Captain, that these confessions are a bunch of horseshit.
00:48:23
>> They're a bunch of horseshit, >> right? So where do we go from here? Well, Thomas starts by, and again, for
00:48:29
the sake of it, even though he went back to his original name, we're going to keep calling him Thomas for the sake of
00:48:34
the show. But so Thomas reaches out to his siblings. Uh, pretty interesting way to reach out to him. He he takes
00:48:41
postcards and he writes one word on it, sends it to all of them and it just says
00:48:47
sorry. Yeah. And I think you know the the reason why this is so heavy here is he didn't have a good relationship with
00:48:55
any of his brothers or sisters. It it seems like once he was locked up and especially after these confessions
00:49:02
started, >> right, >> that they all just believed their brother to be a very evil person that
00:49:08
they didn't want >> well not actually true. A lot of them actually just believe that he was lying
00:49:13
about all this stuff >> and and then some of the the ones that actually believe that he was lying
00:49:18
because he was confessing to crimes where they said, "Well, he wasn't in Norway at that time, so he couldn't have
00:49:25
done that." And I think what really got the siblings was when he started, you know, making allegations saying that,
00:49:31
you know, my my father raped me, that uh they had this unborn baby and they and they ate parts of the baby, right?
00:49:38
>> I mean, we're talking about some pretty crazy claims here. But whether they believed him or not, the thing here is
00:49:46
though he had some pretty nasty interactions with these with with his siblings while he was confessing to
00:49:52
these different crimes, you know, and and so even if they believed him or or or not, he was pushing them away. They
00:49:58
were already at arms length. He he was pushing them further away. They didn't have a great relationship when he
00:50:04
finally reached out to them >> apologizing with by just simply saying sorry, >> right? So, he's going to get a new
00:50:11
lawyer because now he's, you know, he's in this mental facility. He's not technically in a prison.
00:50:17
>> Mhm. >> U, but he's going to be spending the rest of his life there. But now that he didn't do these crimes,
00:50:23
I mean, he did do crimes, right? He we we do know that he tried to uh strangle a boy.
00:50:29
>> He was he was in there for good reason, >> right? So, what what we do know for sure
00:50:33
is that he did try to strangle a boy at his work. >> Mhm. >> Almost killed him. And what we do know
00:50:38
for sure was that that, you know, when he went to the gay club and they went back, uh, when he was huffing, whatever,
00:50:45
he was huffing, stabs the guy 12 times, left him for dead. So, there's two accounts of attempted murder.
00:50:52
>> Mhm. >> So, it's not like we're saying Thomas, oh, poor Thomas quick. No, you you're a
00:50:57
piece of [ __ ] before you went in there. Well, and the thing here is though regarding the lawyer, you know, he's
00:51:02
with with these murders, he's going to be granted appeals, and it's when he changes his lawyer that through the
00:51:09
appeal process that the new lawyer is able to point out that in most of these cases, I mean, I'm looking at all eight
00:51:17
of them right here, and it it's basically there's little to no forensic evidence in any of these cases,
00:51:24
>> right? >> All they had was his confession. In some of these cases, they never found the the
00:51:30
person that was believed to have been killed. Uh, in the in the one situation, remember where we talked about them
00:51:36
finding a very small bone fragment that could it was so small and degraded that it couldn't be tested for DNA,
00:51:42
>> right? >> It was later determined that that was not even a bone fragment. Uh, that they
00:51:46
were mistaken. Um, in in some of these other situations, you're exactly right with what you said about the his
00:51:52
siblings where they the new lawyer was able to show that Thomas Quick was not even in the area when where this person
00:52:00
was killed that he had a solid alibi for this time. And furthermore, when they really started digging into the
00:52:09
confessions themselves and reviewing them at at a whole rather than just what he's stating at trial, they learned that
00:52:17
many times he got details. He didn't just not know them. He got them extremely wrong. You know, in in one
00:52:24
case, the the the girl was beat to death with with what was believed to be a wooden club. Well, he had guessed
00:52:31
several different weapons before arriving to that conclusion. It's the power of suggestion. And we see it with
00:52:38
the doctors and we're seeing it again with the investigators. And the thing here in the beginning, he he didn't even
00:52:45
know that the girl was beat to death. He thought that that it was a knife or an axe that had had committed the murder.
00:52:51
>> Well, a lot of this is just a perfect storm. you know, it it was these doctors
00:52:56
that they believed they knew uh this cutting edge and and and we're going to uncover these traumas and therefore
00:53:03
we're going to be able to, you know, know why these things take place and we're going to be able to spot this.
00:53:09
>> Mhm. >> And so when he starts confessing to these crimes and they're not lining up,
00:53:14
like I said, as the law enforcement, they're going, "Well, wait a second, doc. This this stuff don't line up,
00:53:21
>> right?" Mhm. >> But then the doc's saying, "Well, but there's a reason for that." So again,
00:53:27
you there's a part of you that's like, "Who the hell do you blame?" You know what I mean? Like
00:53:33
>> I think it's everybody. First of all, the the the doctors shouldn't have been
00:53:37
>> so naive. They We see this all the time when with mental health. And I I understand. Again, I'm not a I'm not a
00:53:46
doctor. I'm a captain. But but you see this all the time where they have to try something first to see if it works.
00:53:54
>> Yep. >> And sometimes that you know so you got this guy that has issues. This Thomas
00:53:59
Quick has issues. First of all, I believe that he has uh pedophilia thoughts. >> Yes.
00:54:05
>> Those don't go away, right? So th those are there. Uh he tried to kill a guy. Now he's in this
00:54:13
mental facility. He's hopped up on some drugs and he's he's he's lonely. I mean he even states so he what he said was I
00:54:22
was a very lonely person when it all started. I was in a place uh you know where violent criminals and that that
00:54:30
that he noticed that the worse and the more violent and the serious the crimes that the more that the physicians would
00:54:37
take notice. >> Yeah. >> And so there's a part of me that look I'm sorry you're lonely but you confess
00:54:44
to these crimes and there's a bunch of problems with this. a whole lot of problems. First problem is that you sat
00:54:51
in the courtroom and these families had to listen to this [ __ ] that you were saying
00:54:58
and they had to relive this traumatic experience for them that you're just one just making up and
00:55:08
then on top of that. So they do get some closure at some point but then years later when you come out and just go just
00:55:16
kidding, >> right? Then they get then they relive the horror again. And the fact that, you
00:55:21
know, the statute of limitations is up. So there there's a bunch of these crimes
00:55:27
that law enforcement could have kept working, but they thought the case was closed because you confessed to it,
00:55:35
>> right? Yeah. The the thing here is regarding the family members, it's it's unimaginable that they had to sit
00:55:43
through a trial and not only hear these horrible things that he says he did to their loved one,
00:55:50
>> but then they're not even true. I mean, he completely fabricated these events
00:55:57
and they unnecessarily had to sit through something and hear that and lived with that in their minds and in
00:56:04
their memories and in their hearts for years and years and years until he says, "Well, I didn't do it."
00:56:10
>> Uh, and furthermore, they're never going to solve the the case of your murdered
00:56:16
loved one because I I took the blame and I got rewarded for it. And on top of that, now there's no there's nobody to
00:56:25
investigate this case now because of because the statute of limitations has passed. Um,
00:56:31
>> well, and >> it's it's it's suffering beyond belief. Well, to be clear to the listeners, so
00:56:37
then what happens is when they once they actually get the lawyer and they retry all this stuff, all all those charges
00:56:44
are dropped. >> Mhm. >> And and Thomas then goes out to the public and actually one of his brothers,
00:56:50
which I feel is >> it's very kind of his brother to say, "Well, you know, you are my brother. you
00:56:57
did all this stuff and I don't know why you did it, >> you know, >> but uh you know, we can try to rebuild a
00:57:03
relationship and they kind of do rebuild a relationship. My question is is why wasn't he charged for lying under oath?
00:57:11
Why isn't he charged, you know, for something for that, you know, wasting people's time um hurting family members
00:57:19
for no reason? >> Yeah, we want we want to be very clear here. We, you know, there might be some
00:57:24
people out there that are of the mindset that that Thomas Quick is some kind of victim in this whole thing. Um,
00:57:32
I I can't help it, Captain, but I don't feel any pity towards him. Um, >> well, no, look, here's here's the thing
00:57:39
that I, you know, I I can think of, you know, like we said, you know, to to be at a really young age and to discover
00:57:47
that you are, you know, homosexual >> in a time where that's not >> well received or welcomed at all.
00:57:55
>> Not only a time, but also the place. >> And I could not even imagine what that must feel like.
00:58:04
>> Right. And I think because he didn't know how to handle that and society wasn't accept accepting of that which
00:58:15
they should be and should have been that he turned to drug use to try to combat these feelings that he was having or try
00:58:26
to I think to just try to cope with it, self-medicate. Mhm. >> And that turned into again
00:58:34
that him attacking that boy is not a homosexual activity. >> No, >> that's pedophilia.
00:58:40
>> Yes. >> That and you can lock that guy up or you can put gasoline on him and light that
00:58:48
[ __ ] on fire. I don't give a [ __ ] >> Well, remember the the young man uh that
00:58:53
he stabbed 12 times. you know, this this is now a a very old man as well as Thomas Quick is, but he's
00:59:01
>> he's extremely angry that Thomas Quick is out and walking around. You know, he
00:59:05
he says, you know, this guy, he ruined my life. He stabbed me 12 times. >> Tried to kill me.
00:59:11
>> He tried to kill me. He hit organs inside my body with a knife. >> He left me there for dead. He's
00:59:18
physically changed me forever. And now he's out walking around. The thing is, this is such a tough case though,
00:59:27
Captain, because you know, you you you kind of sit on the fence and you wonder, you know, did would Thomas Quick, would
00:59:34
he have eventually went on to kill? I I think he was going that route. >> Yeah, I think he was going that route.
00:59:40
>> If he would have stayed on the drugs and the drinking and everything, it looked
00:59:43
to me like this was going to happen, that he might have potentially turned into the monster that he claimed to be.
00:59:50
Well, well, furthermore turned into the monster. I think he already was >> Yeah.
00:59:55
>> that monster. I mean, when you >> look, you any attack on a child, like I said, douse that [ __ ] and
01:00:03
gasoline. I don't give a [ __ ] you know? Got better things to do with my life. Um
01:00:09
th those people shouldn't exist to me. So anyways, but but yeah, so he has these things and they let him go and
01:00:17
maybe through some of the therapy he's reabil, you know, maybe he's somewhat rehabilitated, I guess. But uh and I and
01:00:25
the tough thing for us here, you know, we we normally do, you know, cases in the states.
01:00:30
>> Yeah. So, it's kind of hard to understand what their laws are and why this took place, but it's like and I and
01:00:37
I and and I'm all for the idea that some people just have some mental issues. And
01:00:42
so, that needs to be there there needs to be that separation where okay, yeah, this was a crime, but this was a crime
01:00:48
just due to mental illness. There you go. >> You go to the hospital, the secure hospital.
01:00:55
>> Uh, this one was because you're just a piece of [ __ ] You go to prison. >> Mhm. I I look I understand that but uh
01:01:02
but some of their stuff with Sweden I don't understand so it's kind of hard to comment on it.
01:01:07
>> Well and it's also pointing out the fact that we we have seen time and time again
01:01:11
in these different cases the ramifications of false confessions and this is kind of seeing it from a
01:01:18
different angle under a different light uh the way that it can affect people. >> All right. Well, but what are your final
01:01:24
thoughts on this matter? H I think we have a situation here where we have a guy that um you know people can people
01:01:34
falsely confess to things for different reasons. Sometimes it's because you have
01:01:38
an overaggressive investigator who's interrogating you and you're in a high stress situation and you're trying to
01:01:44
relieve yourself of some of the stress. Some people confess for that reason. for
01:01:48
the for here we see >> I believe somebody that was seeking reward >> and almost seeking to be a part of
01:01:57
something >> or be somebody >> or be somebody. You're exactly right. I don't know that he was seeking fame. You
01:02:03
know, sometimes people will confess to famous crimes because they want to be famous.
01:02:07
>> Well, I think he enjoyed some of that as it was happening, >> some of the notoriety that came along
01:02:12
with it. But I think ultimately he I I think we have a person that was on a bad road with with drugs and alcohol and it
01:02:21
was leading him to some extremely violent um and illegal behavior. And I think that it could have progressed to
01:02:30
murder at some point had he not been locked up and and started receiving treatment. The problem is that during
01:02:36
this treatment he starts confessing to things that he didn't do. Why? You know, at at the same time when he's
01:02:42
confessing, think about what's going on in the world. Silence of the Lambs was coming out. Jeffrey Dmer was was in the
01:02:48
news constantly. >> Yeah. Well, you know, one of the confessions, the one of the things that
01:02:53
he said he did to one of the victims was actually something he stole from American Psycho.
01:02:59
>> Yes. He's he's reading about this stuff and a lot of the >> But he's reading about that stuff cuz he
01:03:03
also had access to it. So, not only could he confess to something, he could actually look up certain crimes and then
01:03:11
when they start doing the trauma therapy. Oh, by the way, guess what? I just realized that this this crime that
01:03:18
I was looking up last week on the internet that you weren't monitoring. Yeah, I did that one.
01:03:22
>> Right. Right. And you're exactly right. He he was reading about, you know, finding these crimes in in old
01:03:27
newspapers and magazines and on the internet and he was he was getting some details about them and confessing to
01:03:33
them. And I think >> Yeah. And what they do, give them a larger room. Give them an extra room.
01:03:38
Give them the internet. >> And I think it's somebody that that was >> this guy's living better than people
01:03:42
that do podcast that did bad things and found themselves in a situation where they felt that, you know, they could
01:03:49
manipulate the situation and and receive reward by falsely confessing to things.
01:03:54
>> Well, let me tell you something right now. So, the doctors wanted to believe that they were correct.
01:04:00
>> Yeah. They wanted to be like these breakthrough. We're coming up with this this stuff
01:04:04
that's light years past anything you guys are doing, >> right? And the law enforcement wanted to
01:04:10
believe it. >> I think part that part I'm I'm not putting more blame on them cuz they're
01:04:15
trying to listen to doctors. But it's just laziness. You know, if that if it doesn't line up and he's confessing to
01:04:22
it, you go, "Hey, dummy." >> Yeah. This this doesn't line up. >> You're right. You're right. But it it
01:04:27
does get tough for these investigators that are being pulled aside by the doctor constantly going, "Well, just
01:04:32
give it a chance. Just give it a chance." You know, you're you're listening to another trained
01:04:36
professional. You you believe their opinion. >> Yeah. And and part of it is that they
01:04:40
also think they're doing a good thing. >> You know, like, well, you know, we're going to get justice for this family.
01:04:46
And so I I I feel for them on that part. Um but I think at the end of the day, uh
01:04:54
he has a lot of guilt. he has to deal with it and and what he said um because what is that documentary called because
01:05:03
people could check out that documentary if they're interested. >> Confessions of Thomas Quick.
01:05:07
>> Yeah, the Confessions of Thomas Quick. That's on Netflix. But what he said at
01:05:10
the end, which I thought was pretty interesting. He said, "I bear the guilt and will do so uh to my grave uh towards
01:05:19
the victim's families. They listen to me and my voice and my [ __ ] in the courtroom.
01:05:26
that guilt and dismay is something I will carry until I die. >> And as he should, it it offers no relief
01:05:32
to any of these families. But it it gives me some relief to hear that he is remorseful for this.
01:05:39
>> Well, and our thoughts and and our hearts go out to the families and and all the people that were affected by one
01:05:45
a tragedy, but then also the the tragic second coming of a tragedy because of Thomas Quick. Uh, and so yeah, he he
01:05:54
will have to live with that. And I I would not be surprised if he did commit a crime uh later on in life. Just
01:06:03
wouldn't be I I hope not. >> I hope he's learned his lessons. I hope he's >> rehabilitated as well.
01:06:09
>> Well, I've hope that he's dealt with some of his demons and and maybe with the support of his family and support of
01:06:15
friends that he that will stay on the right side of the law. And uh that wraps up this case, which is kind of
01:06:22
interesting for us because we've been doing so many two-parters. >> So uh but we'll be back tomorrow with a
01:06:28
little special >> a special episode >> 100th episode of True Crime Garage. >> A little party. We'll throw a bit of a
01:06:38
party in the garage tomorrow. >> All right. Do we have a recommended reading for this week?
01:06:42
>> We do, Captain. And I picked this one because, you know, we we we talked about
01:06:46
the Thomas Quick case. We see eight eight murder convictions where there's no physical evidence. So, I wanted to
01:06:53
pick a book that was more about physical evidence. And this is a great one. It's
01:06:58
by Dr. Wet and Donna Kaufman. It's called From Crime Scene to Courtroom: Examining the Mysteries Behind Famous
01:07:07
Cases. >> Interesting. If you think that the media has told you everything there is to know
01:07:12
about Michael Jackson and Casey Anthony and other famous crimes, think again. You'll want to check out this page
01:07:18
Turner from Dr. Wet and Donna Kaufman. Again, that's from crime scene to courtroom examining the mysteries behind
01:07:26
famous cases. And you can pick that up by going to our website true crimegar.com. Click on the recommended
01:07:31
page. check out all of our recommendations there and go through the Amazon banner and pick up those books
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today. And thanks to all you fine, beautiful people for listening to the show. Congratulations. We're going to
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