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crime [Music] I just feel like I need to you know speak my mind there's nothing new I just
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want to get my site out there cuz everybody's against me it seems like and I'm right that's not what it should be
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like I'm in here president over some stuff that I shouldn't even be here for she seems like people are freaking about
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her obviously the police aren't doing anything I just feel like they're not doing anything I put a Leon the bus
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we did everything ristmas to brought Haley home I cooked dinner I gave her bath we played then we lay down I went
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to sleep and then I woke up I don't I don't know I woke up I woke up and the kitchen light was on and I ran to the
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bathroom I ran to the kitchen to see what was going on Iran was home he wasn't there so I run to my room and get
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my cell phone to call him he went interest for over 20 times turn around and hope she's not in her bed so I'm
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running around I was freaking out because she's not her bed she's not no in the house and then five minutes later
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on I was pulling down the driveway and he didn't even really look like he was upset you just looked like you was more
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messed up on drugs and when I called him like 20 or three times I caught him he didn't answer the phone and then the
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police call it has nothing to do with me I think they were trying to get it back
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at Ronald whoever did this if see what I was told that Ronald used to sell drugs
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a lot when he was before we got together and he told people money see one day we're at this bar he was his family own
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bar and I would sit in the truck I got the truck and was sudden started to walk up to Ronald in his black man was
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talking to him and I was like I need you to go stay back in a truck I said why why can I hear and black man said that
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you knows where Haley is the Mexicans have her and he Ronald paints as much money back then he go get her on Friday
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and that was a wild long time ago I don't know who took her I don't understand why they would have took her
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it just doesn't make sense to me I guess I could talk about the abuse that Lionel
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gave to us all of us need a Lee and junior went through abuse with him he was always messed up on pills they used
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to beat us all the time if the kids if the kids would get in trouble and I would sell him to stop like he snuck his
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son in the face and I got mad at him I said don't do that he said leave me laughed about it and I got beat up for
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it because I stuck up for the kids all the time you know I had them kids 24/7 I took
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care of them kids I gave them that sucked in school fed them done everything with them their
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family didn't do anything and they're out here putting blame on somebody that they shouldn't be putting blame on when
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I watch I do is be a mother Fisher don't get split in having a mother and I just
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hurts me walk around here every day and I think just knowing that the police even didn't that - little girl you could
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ever be with she was so sweet I just love being with her you know he said you go play together ride four-wheelers do
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all all kind of stuff together homework she's on the cook just all kind of stuff
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that she done you miss her a lot I really like that kills me every day to know I was last ones seen her walk
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around most time cry cuz i blaze up my mind and just hurts because Rama should know me better than any of them people
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even his family that I cared about his kids I would do anything for that I give my life for him but you come home right
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now it's been on earth it's in my heart but I have to keep my so strong because I'm not gonna give up Carlos I'm gonna
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fight this and I'm gonna fight to find anything regardless I'm never gonna give up on her and I was one reason I'm being
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strong right now is for her I'll never give up to help injected so they could show me
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I'm never gonna believe she's dead tell me in court if I could just tell them something they're letting me go there's
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nothing I could tell them cuz I knew something they wouldn't know it from day one I care with a little girl woman
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anybody knows I mean I had an okay childhood I guess you can say but it wasn't the best mom dad did try to
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provide for us but they were strung out on drugs and alcoholics or living in Flagler County and that's where I got
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raped in that's when I stopped fighting at school you know I felt I thought ashamed because I couldn't get up and
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read in front of class I felt a shame because I didn't know half the stuff the kids know because my family didn't sit
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with me at work with me they were too worried about only thing I did when I even got with
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honor was smoke marijuana that's the only thing that only kind of drugs every day he introduced me to the pills so I
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thought I was doing better and then when I found out he was doing the pills and everything I just like it says same as
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when I was at home I try to leave so many times but quit it why couldn't you there's the kids I just want you know
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people to see they're not what people put me out there to be because I'm not I'm not this bad person what people
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think I am I'm not I mean mistakes in my life and now I'm paying my consequences for
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it but doesn't mean I'm a bad person they can keep believing what they want to believe because one day the truth
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will come out and of course that they're gonna they're gonna people are gonna talk regardless and don't hurt my
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feelings that they talk anymore I'm so used to people talking saying you did this you did this but them because I
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know and God knows but I didn't do anything wrong so as long as I know that's all that matters
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[Music] police initiated the search for Haley beginning at the trailers open back door
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and down a wooden path where they located what appeared to be a small child footprint in the dirt
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Ron Cummings told police that Haley's shoes were still inside the home the path led to a small pond and then to a
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railroad crossing it then continued past the last residence on Green Lane and ended at a paved road in the
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neighborhood this was a residential area with actual homes as well as trailers along its streets there was no sign of
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Haley meanwhile Ronald Cummings was televised clutching his daughter's photo and making a tearful plea for the return
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of Haley television crews were able to get there quickly because they were assembled for the Caylee Anthony service
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that day this not too far away a visibly upset crystal chef filled Haley's mom was also present she had been called by
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Ron's mother Theresa at 3:49 a.m. and forming her that Haley was missing the family held an evening vigil that night
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as well as on several subsequent nights throughout the day more than 130 officers from county state and federal
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law enforcement agencies commenced a search for Haley searchers scoured the area surrounding the neighborhood
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including miles of surrounding woods the search included helicopters water units
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and bloodhounds which searched a five mile radius around the girl's home including the banks of the st. Johns
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River which is about 300 yards from the residence the dogs were given pieces of Haley's
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clothing to smell one of the dogs hit on a scent immediately and led straight to
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the river along a path that led to the seven sisters boat ramp this is about five hundred yards away from the home
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but the scent ended there the next day February 11th the road to the neighborhood was closed and people
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coming in and out were both searched and questioned 150 police cars scoured the neighborhood the retire
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community nearby was search as well were the woods Texas Equusearch arrived to aid in the efforts to find Haley and
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hundreds of volunteers came out sheriff Hardy said at the end of the day that the search would expand further out
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investigators found several items of interest during a search of the near area but later stated that nothing came
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of these items divers and search boats checked the st. Johns River following initial signs of Haley sent picked up by
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the dogs but they found nothing by 4:00 p.m. on the 11th the Putnam County Sheriff's Office publicly declared the
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case an abduction there was no evidence around the house that led investigators to think the girl wandered away on her
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own when that becomes confusing to me because the footprint I can make sense of she could have left that footprint at
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any time but the scent dogs pick up a scent from her that leader to these docks right yeah so the way that I
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envision this is it's two ways one the footprint I'm sure that they probably are leaning towards the probability that
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it's not even her footprint mm-hmm and then on top of that regarding the scent okay so she didn't wander off on her own
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I'm guessing now we have to keep in mind that the this like so many other things
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that we discuss in these cases this scent that's picked up be it whether she would be walking on her own or somebody
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carrying her we got to keep in mind this is all based off of one the quality of the dog that found that scent and to the
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quality of the handler for the dog so I'm guessing if you have a high quality dog high quality handler they would
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detect that scent even if she was carried from the home right okay now they're not going to have any scent to
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let's say somebody carried her from the home placed her in that boat ramp or used the boat ramp to dump her body
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somewhere in the water the dogs aren't going to pick up the other sense that they have there
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because they have nothing to base that off of they're not going to go okay well a perpetrator then dumped her there and
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took off in this direction afterwards but I think the key thinks to here is also we have Ronald Cummings statements
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to investigators he says there's no way that Haley could have opened the back door by herself he states that it was
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normal protocol for the door to be locked this is with a deadbolt and Haley was not very tall she's very young he
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says she could not physically reach the deadbolt ray and they said it was also very
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difficult for adult to lock or unlock this so one I wonder if this is the type of door I had a basement door one time
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that in order for the door to be shut the deadbolt had to be locked mm-hmm if that deadbolt wasn't locked the door
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wasn't shutting on its own so that's one question but also at time and time when
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I see these interviews it's I'm constantly hearing that that a child could not open up this door but I'm only
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hearing that from him and his girlfriend I'm not hearing that from law enforcement at least I couldn't find
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that mm-hmm I find it interesting that they say she could not reach the the deadbolt hmm I
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think that could be easily deduced by the investigators there rather than the statement of she could not physically
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open it right so furthermore we have statements from the family saying that Haley wouldn't leave at night she was
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afraid of the dark she was afraid of strangers so sheriff Hardy comes out and says publicly all the world's a suspect
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right now okay captain it's time again for the old pervert roundup mm-hmm officials our favorite my favorite time
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officials from the Sheriff's Office and investigators from the FBI began the tedious painstaking process of talking
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to all of the registered sex offenders within a five-mile radius of the house this was 44 individuals that they were
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going to be checking on within two days police interviewed all of these registered sex offenders or confirmed
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their whereabouts on the night Haley went missing do you know when that you when you interview a a pervert you know
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how you interview them right no table you want you want to see them you want to see where their hands are at all time
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because if you start talking about this stuff and they start reaching down and a
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little thick flicky you know something's up according to detectives on the case all of them checked out from the time
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that Haley was last seen up until the time she allegedly disappeared around 3:00 in the morning officers did arrest
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a sexual predator who was living near Haley's home who have violated his curfew in the days after she was
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reported missing but his GPS tracking device showed that he was not in the area of her home the
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night that she was last seen Wade says he wearing something yeah he's wearing a tracking tool okay
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but I mean not all of them are wearing tracking devices well that's that's what we mean by our statement of they either
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spoke to or they were able to confirm their whereabouts on the night in question right detective John merchants
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discovered that another one of these registered sex offenders had left the area but he was very quickly located in
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Nebraska and had a solid alibi now police did say that no one would be 100% eliminated but authorities felt okay
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moving on from this aspect of their investigation right Ronald Cummings made additional TV
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appearances pleading with the public for the return of his daughter he stated repeatedly that he had no involvement in
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his daughter's disappearance that work and that his girlfriend mystique rosslyn was not at fault for being the last
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known person to see Haley no one from Ron to the police seem to believe that Haley's disappearance had anything to do
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with parental custody any type of disputes between him and crystal Sheffield yeah now crystal came out and said one
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he was abusive and he's a giant piece of [ __ ] but she also did state that he did
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love his daughter mm-hmm by February 15th with nothing having been found officers announced that they were
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calling off the ground searches they switched to a different kind of search at this time cadaver dogs were brought
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in to search the area one of the dogs alerted to a large dumpster near the family's trailer home which was searched
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extensively but nothing of note was found inside hmm sheriff's deputies and crime scene units processed and searched
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the trailer home and found a couple of puzzling things there were no signs of forced entry if someone had pried open
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the back door of the home there is no evidence of that investigators wondered if maybe the perpetrator had propped
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open the door so he could just easily slip out carrying the child but how did he get in the door in the first place if
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it was locked from the inside as misty and Ronald beau stated and rain some other things that they found that began
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to raise investigators suspicions one was a small pink shirt this was found in the washing machine or a laundry pile
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the reports vary this was the shirt that Haley was supposedly wearing the night that she went missing her the Amber
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Alert but Missy had said on the 911 call that was dressed in her pajamas so again
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which is it and the beds in the home you pointed this out earlier but I purposely
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waited to go into this the the beds in the home were placed on the floor not on a bed frame mm-hmm so Misty's assertion
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that she searched under the beds this I mean this doesn't add up which is awesome 18 right goddamn Sam
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there's no room under these beds he imagined I searched under the beds really you picked up the beds off the
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floor and these weren't the only inconsistencies in Misty's story while she had told the 911 operator and the
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initial deputies that she had got up to get a drink she later said that she got up to go to the restroom right so again
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I think some of that stuff bothers people more than it bothers me another inconsistency was that misty initially
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told investigators that she had been asleep in the master bed with both kids but later told police that hailey had
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been asleep in her own bed which was a little mattress on the floor in the corner of the bedroom police continued
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to talk to misty Ron and others in the extended families of both everyone was described as quote cooperative but
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detectives noted that Misty's story kept changing you know I just want to bring this up because you hear a lot of times
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when they're interviewing family members that they keep saying she wouldn't have
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gone with the stranger and you know that that Haley when I had just gone willingly that she would have cried or
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she would have done something because she was speaking right so but my issue with that is how many times have these
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people picked up a sleeping child sometimes they wake right up sometimes they don't wake up at all so I just but
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I kept finding that in every interview that I heard that they just kept bringing that up like it was like this
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big thing and I'm like going okay well first of all she might have knew the person or possibly she never woke up
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yeah and both could be going on and whether you have those statements coming from the family or from police that's
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always interesting to me because in some cases it's just the police saying that but these are these are all going to be
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general questions that they are going to ask the family in a way if they're releasing those statements they're
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almost putting some public suspicion on the parents as well that's leverage that
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is to leverage against them but at the same time you come forward and you say everyone that we've spoke to including
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misty and Ron and the families they've all been cooperative right but because they are
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even if they are suspicious of anybody in that circle yeah they want everybody to know that we think that they're being
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cooperative because they they are talking to us and B we're going to let that publicly be known because we do not
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want to put up any walls any barriers we want to keep open those lines of communication because that's where
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they're going to find their clue that's where they're going to find out what's going to lead them to the conclusion of
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this thing now another thing that made police suspicious is that there are no signs of a struggle or any disruption
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within the trailer home itself there was also no blood no signs of any recent cleaning now from what misty was telling
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authorities at some point in the night someone had somehow opened the lock trailer door propped it open silently
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entered the room where misty Ron jr. and Haley were sleeping and carried out the
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child all without making a sound or leaving any evidence whatsoever other than the child's blanket there was a
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blanket that was found outside of the back door of the home there's sneaky yeah well in this just doesn't seem very
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likely well it's weird though too because there was there's the statements from the brother of Haley stating that
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he saw a man with a black hoodie in the room mm-hmm and and and they have since said that those they can't believe those
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statements because his statements have changed too but he's three kid yeah I do want to point out that the you know the
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no one seems to believe that this door was pried open there was no evidence of that but we should also note that
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investigators did remove the back door and they took this away with them but there's this whole back door being
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locked thing with the dad going it's always locked or missed he's saying that this door is always locked
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it's like there's a unless the door does not shut without it being locked there is a possibility that it was just left
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unlocked which is so strange to me because of there not being pry marks and I say that because you have the two
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people who have fallen under the most suspicion as constantly confirming their belief that that door was locked their
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story of an abduction is more believable without pry marks on the door if they would say right we don't know that we
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like we can't say for certain that we locked it there were times that we've left the
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door unlocked right so that that's a weird that's one of those ones where it kind of goes in their favor yeah you put
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a tally mark on their side of the Pago yeah and and they've changed their story it sometimes becomes our he a stupid are
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you a liar right but this one is strange this comment strange because they've changed their story I've never seen once
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in any interview either one of them saying as possible it was unlocked I mean they're dead said that it's
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impossible well let's go through where Ron was that night because this is very important to this case in the course of
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the police interviews it emerged that Ron had left the afternoon before to start his overnight shift at PDM Bridge
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this is about 20 miles away Ron appears to have punched in when he said yeah when he did this is around
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4:15 p.m. and he punched out when he said he did some time just before 3:00 a.m. do they have cameras on this I
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don't believe that there are cameras on this because we do have some other video
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footage that was that police have discussed and this is that they found video footage of him of Ronald at a
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convenience store this is after he got off work after he punched out and drove a bit of his way home he's there buying
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beer peanuts and cigarettes after he got off work part a it does not appear from
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the video that he is in any way agitated upset or anxious or rushing to return to
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his home for any reason hmm but more information also came out in the course of the investigation according to phone
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records Ron had attempted to call misty some 20 times that night and she had not
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answered her phone so what was misty doing while she was supposed to be home with Ron's kids she said she was home
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doing laundry and sleeping but we have to question that as weeks went by investigators said misty constantly
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changed her story she added or took out little details she wavered about the time frame she had no explanation for
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all of the questions detective John merchant he spent hours with her and said quote she has never had the same
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story according to merchants misty tripped up often on the details of that night now
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there has been a lot of talk of polygraphs and who took them and the results of those tests rather than
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spending a lot of time on this we will summarize this by saying the Putnam County Sheriff's Office their officers
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confirm that all of the people interviewed had been offered the chance to take lie-detector test mm-hmm their
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statement is some of those persons took tests but law enforcement would not confirm their identities or what the
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results were right and this is where you're getting different stories because on the Today Show you have the the
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parents coming forward and saying hey we took lie detectors and we passed and that's what the cops are telling us
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[Music] all right we're back Cheers captain Cheers everybody be a pirate despite the police
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suspicions Ron and Misty put on a united front and participated in lots of media
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interviews it seemed like Ron refused to throw misty under the bus and one month
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after Hayley disappeared they got married according to misty Ron had made a surprise proposal at a Chili's
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restaurant their pastor refused to host the wedding at the church so the couple married in the yard of a friend's home
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on March 12 Jillian's very romantic moving on real quick here captain mm-hmm in the summer of 2009 the Putnam County
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Sheriff's Office made a significant public statement the statement said that whoever took Hayley was someone she knew
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the evidence had quote minimized the likelihood that a stranger was involved in her disappearance
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and investigators considered Mystique Rosslyn to be key in Hayley's disappearance saying that her sketchy
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account of the events that night was contradicted by the physical evidence finally officials stated that Ronald
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Cummings and Krystal Sheffield were not considered suspects the feeling among law enforcement was unanimous
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mystique Roslyn knew more than she was saying and she possibly even knew where Hayley was and then we have this a
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serial podcast on the case by a local journalist reports that misty had gone on a three-day drug bender with another
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man known as white boy Greg and cheated on Ron over the weekend that immediately
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preceded Hayley's disappearance okay a white boy Greg mm-hmm okay I just want to make sure I got that correct
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she was also hanging out with friends who were heavy into drugs Ron was pissed off about all of this and
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told misty that she had to babysit his kids that night February 9th while he went to work
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misty did not want to watch the kids but apparently she was forced into it now we
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know on the 9th Ron left for work around 3:30 p.m. we do we know that he tried to
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call misty 20 times that night according to the call records and after a 3 a.m. he returned home after visiting a
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convenience store and frankly that's about the last of the actual facts that we have for the hours before the 911
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call the rest is rumor gossip and speculation and captain I want to take a big dive into that nasty pole well I
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hope you've had your shots well put on your raincoat because there's gonna be some [ __ ] so let's let's start with Joe
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Overstreet ok police quickly determined that Misty's first cousin Joe Overstreet
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was visiting from Tennessee when hailey vanished yeah he was staying down the street with Misty's brother Tommy
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Crossland and his wife Chelsea there were rumors that Tommy and Joe had been hanging out with misty in the trailer
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that night possibly partying Ron jr. told police that a man in black this is the little boy that you pointed out
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earlier pointed said that a man in black entered the trailer and took his sister
00:34:45
now no one put much stock in that statement in the statements of a little three-year-old boy but you have to
00:34:53
wonder is that statement in part confusion from seeing Joe Overstreet and Tommy Crossland there earlier that night
00:35:01
right did he fall asleep earlier according to misty statements no this they would have whipped put the kids to
00:35:09
bed around 8:00 now adding fuel to the fire we have misty she tells investigators that she could not roll
00:35:16
out that Joe had been involved furthermore Joe Overstreet left Florida for Tennessee on February 10th the day
00:35:25
after Haley disappeared now investigators flew to Tennessee and interviewed Joe denied any involvement and they didn't
00:35:33
have any record of anything that would indicate culpability in the abduction of a little girl next we have Tommy
00:35:41
Crossland Tommy is Misty's brother he's one of the people who misty says was at the trailer home with her that night
00:35:51
with the kids just so you know what kind of guy he is he was arrested in September of 2009 on a grand theft
00:36:00
charge for stealing a gun from a neighbor and he had multiple drug arrests in the past officers confirmed
00:36:08
that he was questioned in connection with Hailey's disappearance but both Tommy and Ron apparently told police
00:36:16
that on the night that hailey disappeared Tommy got a call a phone call from Ron saying that he could not
00:36:24
get in touch with Misty and asking him to head over to the mobile home to check on her and his kids now their statements
00:36:33
are that Tommy went over there but there were no lights on and no one responded to his knock when he knocked on the
00:36:40
trailer door so he left right and we'd have record of that for the phone records of Ronald McDonald's phone well
00:36:48
and if he is telling the truth this is what's interesting here we both have Ron saying this as well as Tommy now Ron it
00:36:55
won't be able to confirm if Tommy actually went to the trailer or not right but they were both saying that
00:37:00
this phone call happened and that he was asking Tommy to go to the house so if Tommy is telling the truth then we have
00:37:06
to wonder where is misty because it appears that no one is present at the trailer if he isn't telling the truth we
00:37:14
have to wonder what he is hiding then in the months after Hayley vanished police
00:37:19
received a tip saying that misty attended a house party on the night that Hayley was last seen and that she
00:37:25
brought Hayley and Ron Jr with her to this party this would have been about 15 miles away more than one person
00:37:33
interviewed by police verified that misty was there with the kids on an unverified information gathered by
00:37:40
police stated that hailey was either given or somehow got into some drugs at this
00:37:47
party and od'd right one witness told investigators that Haley died and left the party in the trunk of a car and was
00:37:55
then dumped in a pond the pond that was referenced was about two miles from the party down a dirt road in a thickly
00:38:04
wooded isolated area now this is the one that they're gonna drain yes yes law enforcement emphasized that none of the
00:38:11
partygoers had the same story though so this is where we we have some misses I mean this is this there's piles of [ __ ]
00:38:20
and this story just piles of [ __ ] mmm so we got a piles of piles of [ __ ] got
00:38:25
together and had a party now they're claiming that this this girl od'd and then they dumped her in a pond and what
00:38:33
what kind of pieces of [ __ ] sit around and let this happen well of course this
00:38:38
party theory would explain a lot it would explain why Ron couldn't get in touch with misty that night meaning she
00:38:46
likely turned off her phone or left it behind or or just chose not to answer it would explain why Tommy found no one at
00:38:54
the home when he went there knocked on the door mm-hmm okay here's another possibility in this in this whole mess
00:39:03
it is perhaps misty wanted to go out and party so she drugged the kids and left them in the trailer and Hailey died
00:39:13
because of this misty arrived back at the home knowing Ron would be home soon and discovered the body and hid it in
00:39:19
the dumpster that the cadaver dogs hit on and then thought better of that and carried it down to the river disposing
00:39:26
of the body now law enforcement as you pointed out spent three days draining the pond that we mentioned in that tip
00:39:33
but found absolutely nothing I I believe if the second story was true that they would have the cadaver dogs would hit on
00:39:42
more areas so we have this to remember we stated that there were no witnesses hold on and because this is so close to
00:39:53
Casey Anthony is it is that the Thames here like we don't want a baby sitting by
00:39:58
shrug them zanny the nanny this is Annie the nanny number two well we have at least one person who signed an affidavit
00:40:07
stating that hailey od'd on oxycotin at the party okay this individual is Joe pike Coe I
00:40:17
believe is how you say his name white boy whitey ko this is supposedly a friend of
00:40:23
Misty's he said Tommy was at the party as well and Tommy helped dispose of the body and then we also have this other
00:40:31
individual Christina pre that I believe is how you say her last name again supposedly another friend of Misty's who
00:40:40
was arrested for drugs she supposedly wrote a letter from prison saying that Joe pike ko had told the police that she
00:40:48
Christina had helped white boy Greg put Hailey's body into a black bag and dispose of it in a pond this is all very
00:40:59
confusing it's it's weird it's like we have a whole bunch of people turning on one
00:41:04
another but none of these stories are adding up right now look right but then you also wonder because there is a time
00:41:13
that misty stops cooperating with the police I mean for the most part she's cooperating but then they bring in like
00:41:19
a new detective and he's kind of yelling and telling her that she's lying and blah blah blah and she just says I'm not
00:41:26
gonna talk anymore and so you wonder because she's a kid and his white boy Greg is this guy is he a kid are the
00:41:38
people that she's partying with are they 16 17 years old mm-hmm well how old are they how much
00:41:44
pressure they get in from the cops are the cops getting them to make up stories because they feel you know you see I
00:41:52
mean like we're gonna bring these people into question they're they're pieces of
00:41:56
[ __ ] they're losers they're addicted to drugs and and we can't believe anything
00:42:04
that they're saying but are they just tossing stuff out there you know so they don't get in trouble
00:42:11
well on October 14th Lisa Crossland this is Misty's mother she is arrested on charges of fraud forgery and larceny and
00:42:20
then the next day Misti and Ron divorced Missy misty blamed the stress of hailey
00:42:26
situation or the disappearance of hailey for the demise of the marriage I blame the Chili's proposal divorce didn't seem
00:42:35
to end things for Ron and misty they continued to hang out together and we saw that publicly later Tommy was
00:42:44
arrested Misty's brother after being found with a stash of drugs and Misty's father Hank Roslyn was arrested in
00:42:52
November for fraudulently obtaining prescription drugs this is all leading up to a major event in this whole case
00:43:01
and story in January of 2010 a sting operation netted several people in this case
00:43:08
undercover narcotics agents were able to purchase over 300 prescription pain pills from Mystique Rosslyn and seven
00:43:16
different transactions the whole thing went down on video nailing both Ron Cummings and now 18 year-old misty and
00:43:25
you know what I think this was what I think that they were very suspicious of them and they couldn't connect the dots
00:43:34
and Hailey's disappearance so this was a way to we'll get them but on it on a different level right and it's really a
00:43:45
no-lose situation for this type of operation right because you have individuals that you know are dealing in
00:43:53
drugs and you suspect them of being guilty of of much worse worser crimes and you can go in this and you can you
00:44:03
can go to your superiors and say we can validate our actions and time spent and money spent efforts spent on these
00:44:11
getting these people mm-hmm because we think it's a home run we we can't miss on this thing one and then to this might
00:44:19
end up solving a much bigger crime right because with the weight of these charges will somebody come forward and
00:44:27
actually confess to the truth so throughout these seven different transactions that the whole thing went
00:44:35
down on video this was all recorded for evidence purposes they ended up nailing both Ron Cummings and now 18 year-old
00:44:42
misty but the other arrestees included Misty's brother Tommy someone named hope Sykes this is Ron's cousin and Misty's
00:44:52
friend Donna Brock the group faced multiple counts of trafficking and prescription medications with misty
00:44:58
facing the most with eight counts the st. Johns County Sheriff's Office released hours of video captured from
00:45:06
jailhouse visits involving both misty and Tommy her brother in a visit with his daughter
00:45:14
we have Hank Crossland Misty's father he is seen telling her telling misty quote
00:45:20
misty don't be lying about nothing because it's all going to all it's going to do is bury you dear
00:45:27
the Hali stuff has got to come to an end it has to misty which is so strange there's so many little similarities in
00:45:37
this case to the Casey Anthony case and there remains this one last tale this takes place in August of 2010 new
00:45:45
information emerged misty and Tommy were talking and they were both pointing the
00:45:51
finger at the same person Misty's attorney issued a statement that on February 9th
00:45:57
Misty's cousin Joe Overstreet had come to the trailer home and abducted hailey misty and Ron jr. cowered under the
00:46:05
covers heard Joe take Hailey and heard a van door open and/or closed misty said she saw a black bag placed over the girl
00:46:15
mm-hmm it came out later that misty told investigators a similar story back in January of 2010 this is where she even
00:46:24
described the black bag rope and blocks that were used to weigh down the body she now said hailey was dumped at the
00:46:31
Shell Harbor boat ramp this is about five miles from the Cummings home in an area of the river that had not been
00:46:37
searched right but this is still the area the descent dogs tracked now this this was
00:46:44
not in in that area hmm so so it's a different doc yeah okay and so through his attorney in August of
00:46:52
2010 Tommy Crossland also made a statement similar statement that on the night of
00:46:59
February 9th the morning of the 10th his cousin Joe Overstreet had been looking for a machine gun that he believed Ron
00:47:06
had so Joe and Tommy according to this statement given by Tommy white boy Tommy yeah
00:47:12
they went to the trailer where misty and the kids were this is around midnight now not finding the gun that they were
00:47:20
searching for Joe Overstreet killed hailey Tommy says he didn't see the killing but said Joe threatened misty
00:47:28
with a knife he said he saw Hailey's quiet and limp body and under duress he accompanied Joe to the Shell Harbor boat
00:47:37
ramp where Joe dumped her body into the st. Johns River right by there claiming that that he killed her in the trailer
00:47:46
with a knife no he threatened misty with a knife and then Tommy says that he did not see the
00:47:53
killing of hailey he only saw the body after she was already dead right so the gist of that is that the two men were
00:48:01
going to steal this machine gun and for whatever reason not finding that gun his
00:48:07
statement tommy statement is that Joe Overstreet put a knife to the throat of misty and took hailey and that the body
00:48:14
was dumped near into the st. Johns River right and it's very possible they were on drugs at the Shell Harbor boat ramp
00:48:24
so Joe Overstreet is questioned several times and was the subject of lengthy surveillance and investigation
00:48:32
he has never been named a suspect or charged in Hailey's disappearance he has denied any involvement he was arrested
00:48:40
in August of 2010 on drug charges but there has never been any connection to hailey other than that alleged by both
00:48:48
misty and Tommy Crossland and it makes you wonder also we'll see you know she threatened
00:48:55
with a knife before Hayley is taken what she threatened more to keep you know keep your mouth shut and and maybe
00:49:03
that's why her story kept changing and changing and changing because she's making up as she went along mm-hmm
00:49:10
well in one interview with the media Joe broke down he broke down into tears when
00:49:16
he was asked if there was he had any possible connection to Hayley's disappearance he said quote if I knew
00:49:22
who did it I would go straight and call the cops and tell them who did it and quote his attorney said Joe is being
00:49:29
targeted by family members I do want to point out he's the same guy that left the next day
00:49:35
the day after the disappearance but in all fairness to to Joe Overstreet we need to point out that Joe and Ron
00:49:43
together were passing out Halley's missing flyer before Joe left for Tennessee on the 10th of February mm-hmm
00:49:51
now with these statements a search of the water near the Shell Harbor boat ramp began police brought misty and
00:49:58
handcuffs to the boat ramp and she is seen on video footage pointing to certain areas of the river cadaver dogs
00:50:06
were used divers spent days searching the waters around the boat ramp but came up empty-handed
00:50:13
they found according to the sheriff only alligator toenails according to st. Augustine Beach Police Chief Robert
00:50:21
Hardwick who was the assistant chief investigator for the state's attorney's office at the time in the squad car on
00:50:28
the way back to jail misty Crossland said quote never mind I'm not telling the truth hmm so
00:50:37
basically had she made up the whole thing you have to wonder Jenna again it's another story by very misty yeah
00:50:45
very similar to the Casey Anthony it's also possible where things sit today that that misty may never talk or never
00:50:54
tell the truth about what happened to Hailey or the the truth about what happened to Haley is even worse than the
00:51:02
rumors that we have heard now in April of 2011 sentences were handed down from misty
00:51:09
Tommy and Ron on the drug trafficking charges after they pled no contest Ron and Tommy each got 15 years their
00:51:18
scheduled release date is May 16th 2024 now they threw the book at misty who had
00:51:25
the most counts against her giving her 25 years she will get out on March 29th 2034 but they were hoping that should
00:51:35
break yeah and that's what's very difficult about this this whole thing since 2013
00:51:45
Krystal Sheffield has been arrested for petty theft disorderly intoxication and possession of drug paraphernalia
00:51:52
this is especially tragic because she had custody of little Ron jr. as his father remains in prison I do not know
00:52:03
who has custody of the boy currently well it seems like all their parents were not doing so well either so I mean
00:52:11
it's a sad situation for any of any children involved and in 2010 the Putnam County Sheriff
00:52:18
Jeff Hardy conducted a news conference in which he stated quote over the past few weeks information has been obtained
00:52:25
by investigators that led them to believe Hayley Cummings is most likely deceased the information they had
00:52:32
uncovered has quote minimized the likelihood that Hayley's disappearance is the work of a stranger party
00:52:38
reiterated that mystique Rosslyn is still the key to the case he did say they have some persons of interest but
00:52:46
would not elaborate a year after Hayley vanished remember the case was officially declared a homicide so
00:52:55
primary the primary investigators on this case seem to all agree that misty Crossland knows what happened to Hayley
00:53:03
they they don't necessarily believe that Hayley is murdered or was murdered per their statements but state's attorney
00:53:10
Robert Mathis and detective John merchant believe Haley died accidentally although they aren't sure where or how
00:53:17
saying quote I think that somebody gave the child some drugs or the child got some drugs accidentally and she died and
00:53:25
people panicked and had to get rid of the body and most people agree that it's very unlikely that misty was able to
00:53:32
pull this off by herself so we have other people that are likely involved and it is very probable that she had
00:53:39
some help and that others know exactly where Haley is it's unclear exactly what Ron Tommy
00:53:46
Joe and perhaps others might know about the little girl's fate and that's where a lot of people sit now it's the idea
00:53:54
that it's a four-person conspiracy of this missing girl yeah because I mean those are the four that are often most
00:54:03
mentioned but on top of that within those four you have those people turning on one another yeah so Haley's case did
00:54:12
just observe an unwelcome milestone this was in February of 2019 it was the ten year anniversary of the little girl's
00:54:21
disappearance my thoughts captain I this one really is tough to sift through I know we dropped the f-bomb a bazillion
00:54:30
times in these two episodes but it's because we can't get a straight answer from who I believe and it seems like law
00:54:37
enforcement have publicly stated believe our key is key to the case right that being misty her story changing also her
00:54:46
pointing the finger at other individuals but where where I really go to this is if you could sift through all that and
00:54:54
if you could weed out the lies from the [ __ ] from the truth there there could be
00:55:00
some truths in here and I find it difficult logistically for ron's who have been involved in whatever caused
00:55:09
the death of Haley that doesn't mean that he didn't know after the fact and has chosen for whatever weird reason to
00:55:18
cover-up for somebody else right but his or time unlike a lot of the other people's time is accounted for for that
00:55:26
night right and that makes it very difficult for me I I actually leaned towards the side of of
00:55:34
ronald's tears in frustration and sadness being real and not a put-on while his axe yeah right his ex claims
00:55:44
that anytime that you've seen him be emotional this is fake because when he's actually emotional it's different than
00:55:51
that but again that's a text so you know how can we believe her and she's you know piece of [ __ ] herself but Ronald
00:56:01
McDonald is that he's the weirdest one I mean because one he's an ass clown so if
00:56:06
anybody's wondering why I'm calling him Ronald McDonald's cuz he's asked clown but that's weird because this
00:56:14
four-person conspiracy I agree with you you know at first it's like well I'm at work I'm at work I'm at work so I
00:56:22
couldn't be involved I wonder if the reason why white boy Tommy and white boy Joe are at the trailer that night and
00:56:33
the reason you know if there's some truth to them threatening her and then taking Haley is he the reason why
00:56:43
they're there and that's why he's gone along with it but according to that story the only reason why he would be
00:56:50
there is for this machine gun that they wanted to steal right but we don't know if that is the truth or not is what I'm
00:56:56
saying is we don't know which parts of the story are true or which or not I just doesn't make any sense why he'd go
00:57:04
along with it well I don't know that he has gone along with it yeah it may just be simply that he is innocent and
00:57:12
doesn't know what happened right because the only people offering up that statement is Tommy and Misty and it's
00:57:19
it's bizarre that she would come up with this whole story I understand the threat
00:57:24
level that she's claiming there but it's it's bizarre that she would cover up this story for so long and then we have
00:57:33
the the sheriff's statement that says you know when I'm we didn't find anything in that River in that area of
00:57:39
the river and I'm driving her back to jail she says never mind I'm the whole thing up so how many get it
00:57:47
because there's when she's talking and that clip that you hear earlier from when she's in prison she says she
00:57:56
doesn't care what people say about her what they think is but she knows and God knows it's like but tell the truth and
00:58:03
and there could be some closure for this little girl that you claim that you could cared about and and there's really
00:58:11
no proof that you cared about her but you can you can put some proof out to the world to say hey this is what
00:58:18
happened and and give some closure to her well one thing that's very different in regards to Misti and Ron Misti story
00:58:31
has always changed and it's varied greatly varied greatly Ron's story has always been very simple I went to work I
00:58:41
came home my daughter was gone and then on top of that we have his phone records
00:58:48
if those pings are putting him at work that's why I think that we have police publicly saying Ron is not a suspect but
00:58:57
misty is the key to the case because if they can say all right he punched in we know that he punched out we know that we
00:59:06
have other people at work saying he was there that night we have his cell phone whose being I
00:59:11
don't know how much work he got done during that night because he's calling misty constantly some people have
00:59:17
speculated that was so he could orchestrate everything and give himself an alibi the problem with that is most
00:59:23
of his calls twenty-something of them have not they've gone unanswered so if we believe if we can believe
00:59:30
anything out of all of these different stories there's very there's very little that we need to believe to exclude Ron
00:59:37
from being involved in the demise of this little girl that's not to say that he didn't know after the fact but I
00:59:44
couldn't see any other reason for him to have known at any time what happened and
00:59:49
to hold on to it but if we can believe two things if we believe his statement and tommi statement that they had a
00:59:56
phone call that they shared a phone all together where Ron is asking Tommy to go over to the trailer mm-hmm that
01:00:04
there puts that that puts points in Ron's side where he's less likely to have been involved in whatever happened
01:00:11
to this to the death of this little girl be accidental or otherwise and then on top of that we have a statement where we
01:00:18
have a witness now it is Ron's mother but Ron's mother saying you know I saw the kids
01:00:26
I saw Hayley I saw Ron jr. eating dinner on the front porch at this time this is
01:00:32
after Ron went to work and there's just not enough time for him to leave work go
01:00:39
to the convenience store and then get all the way home to have much involvement at all before that 9-1-1
01:00:45
calls plays but yeah I questioned because of his actions when he's answering questions and he looks like
01:00:53
he's gonna smile or he's concerned about a stupid little chain a stupid little haircut
01:00:59
stupid little mustache and he's almost cracking a smile on The Today Show when he's answering question about this
01:01:07
missing daughter we have proof that he made a phone call to somebody but we don't have any proof on on what that
01:01:13
call was about and why they were going over there if that part of the story is true and the sad thing is here's this
01:01:21
girl that could have grown up and she would've had a lot of versity to get through to have a better life because
01:01:27
she was surrounded by awful people and the sad thing is these awful people are responsible for her death
01:01:35
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