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person's case in Dallas County Missouri 33-year-old Cassidy rainwater is missing
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she went to high school in Harrisonville her case is drawing a lot of attention on social media due to the circumstances
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investigative reporter angrew Rono has been tracking the developments and joins us from The Newsroom there is so much
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mystery and Intrigue in this case that has fueled social media speculation two men have have been charged with
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kidnapping inflicting injury and terrorizing that's James Phelps and Timothy Norton the sheriff posted on
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Friday more charges are expected in the coming days we are watching for that the
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sheriff previously released a statement saying due to the extreme nature of the crime he's not providing details here's
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what we do know pictures have been found of Cassidy partially nude and in a cage
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the FBI has been involved Cassie rainwater is still missing her Trail led to this rural property owned by suspect
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James Phelps investigators have been searching the grounds while the men are in jail the Springfield bomb squad was
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called in and a fire broke out last week the house burned to the ground speculation is there was a trip wire and
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that's why the bomb squad was called in this case is all over social media videos are being made on Tik Tok reic
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has threads bloggers are speculating about cannibalism the sheriff blasted all of the attention and speculation on
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this case saying much of it is not true although he used a more colorful word he
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reminded everyone investigations take time in the real world and this isn't a TV series or movie Cassidy rainwater's
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own mother went missing back in 2007 her remains were eventually found scattered
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in a field by a farmer according to the Associated Press we will keep you posted
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on charges and developments in Cassidy rainwaters case reporting from The Newsroom Angie Rono KCTV 5
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news when we left off yesterday Captain we were about to go through the rumors coming out in this case but before we
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get to those rumors a couple coup of updates that I was able to confirm in regards to some questions we had about
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the case this is in regards to the tip that came in we were wondering how that situation all came about there's a
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little bit of information on that and regarding the photos that were found on phelps's phone so couple quick
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statements that I found in September the FBI's Kansas City office so it was the Kansas City FBI office that received an
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anonymous tip from a person who says they shared photos including one of what appeared to be rainwater's partially
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nude body inside a cage so it doesn't completely clean that up for us but again this story is not necessarily
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breaking news but it's still very new and we're still waiting for a lot of information to come out so now that we
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have some confirmation as to how that tip came about wanted to make sure we included it here also in regards to his
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phone there's a statement in article that now says authorities arrested James Phelps on September 16th after seizing
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his cell phone and discovering seven photos of partially nude Cassidy rainwater being kept inside a cage
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according to court records so They seized his phone before they arrested him finding those photos right now again
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some of the rumors in this case include the finding of meat hooks on the property on the Phelps property by law
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enforcement officials Act of cannibalism additional victims possibly the remains
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of up to 12 or 13 people found on the property additional suspects caged victims and transporting kidnapped
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victims or remains across state lines and that these two may even be responsible for the missing Springfield
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3 may have been involved or responsible for the Springfield 3 case we'll address
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each one of these as we go along here but just in case someone is not familiar the short Wiki version of the case the
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Springfield 3 case details are that the Springfield 3 refers to an unsolved missing persons case that began on June
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7th 1992 when friends Suzanne streer and Stacy McCall and streeter's mother Cheryl levit all went missing from lit's
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home in Springfield Missouri all of their personal belonging ings including vehicles and purses were left behind
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there was no sign of a struggle except for a broken porch light Globe there was also a message on the answering machine
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that police believe might have provided leads in the disappearances and as you remember captain that was inadvertently
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erased so the police were only able to be told what the message said secondhand now long time listeners know that us two
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your boys the garage guys we covered the Springfield 3 case back in April of 2017 wow that that's starting to feel
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like a long time ago this would be episodes 97 and '98 should anyone want to go back deep into the catalog and
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listen to those fascinating episodes in those episodes we reviewed a lot of suspects in the Springfield 3 case but
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of course not James Phelps and Timothy Norton because these two who it looks to me are obviously guilty of something and
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unfortunately it appears to be that the something or some things that they are guilty of are some pretty heinous and
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horrific acts but Phelps and Norton were unknowns back in April of 2017 unknowns
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to us and everyone else now we are not saying these guys are good for the Springfield 3 case but let's pretend for
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a second that they are well they are [ __ ] bags that's what makes these rumors Beyond terrifying because if they are in
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any way responsible for the kidnappings of three persons from Springfield in 1992 well Cassie rainwater does not go
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missing until July of this year 2021 some 29 years later and no one in their right mind I believe would think for a
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second that these two kidnapped three people and did God knows what to them in 1992 and then just took a long break and
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decided in July of 2021 29 years later oh I'd like to resume my Dirty deeds and pick up where I left off right Done Dirt
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Cheap Done Dirt Cheap well also this property kind of reminds you of Todd coip and also the murder that took place
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in Northern Ohio around Finley Ohio guy that had a barn with the freezer well unfortunately these kind of Acts and
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what some of these individuals you know serial killers and serial abductors and rapists want to do requires a certain
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amount of privacy requires a certain amount of seclusion so you can do these things and carry out these horrible acts
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and so these types will they desire a property similar to this and that's why I think to me the hair stands up on the
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back of my neck when I hear oh well Phelps was renting this property and he has other properties what what is this
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creep need other properties for or what is he doing with multiple Properties or this one in particular now a couple more
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things on the timeline here captain on October 4th 2021 from the news report a home near Lebanon Missouri connected to
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Phelps was burned to the ground we had mentioned that on yesterday's show the Dallas County Sheriff's Office says
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Phelps 58 was renting the home a Dallas County Deputy had alerted a firefighter after discovering a trip wire near the
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home and then a call went out to bring in the Springfield bomb squad so hours later the bomb squad detonated this
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suspicious device whatever it was now Rachel Nicholson who moved to Lebanon recently says she saw the home go up in
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Flames from a distance quote all of a sudden the house collapsed and the Flames got bigger and we could feel the
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heat said Nicholson everything was on fire and we sat there and watched it collapse I called 911 because I was
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worried about it catching the woods on fire and like going to the other houses end quote the Missouri State Fire
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Marshall's office is investigating the fire caused which caused a total loss to the home now you know me Captain I'm not
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one to believe or even want to believe rumors but I do think that the local scuttlebutt can have some meaning in an
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unsolved case or offer some possible lead but one thing that our talks with John Douglas told us is that normal
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people don't just wake up one day and kidnap and kill there are things crimes behaviors and such in their background
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that lead up to those types of extreme acts but also Captain what makes me pause and wonder if there could be some
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truth to some of these many rumors is normal people also don't just wake up one day and arm their properties with
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trip wires right that once activated will burn the whole damn place to the ground right but back to what you were
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saying about these local rumors a lot of these cases that go unsolved take for example the mara Murray case you get
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this rumor that these three individuals worked at Lon mountain and didn't show up to work the day Mara went missing and
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and when you're investigating a case like that you don't know if there's much weight or validity or anything backing
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up these local rumors but I don't like to dismiss those because normally where there's smoke there's fire and now we
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have a situation in that case where they're they discovered uh skeleton remains and hair remains that was buried
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in the Loon mountains and now we're just waiting for confirmation on on who that
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individual is verbatim from one report in a Springfield bomb squad report investigators say that they found an
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incendiary device during a fire at the home at the center of this kidnapping case in the report it claims
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investigators found the explosive device in a mortar tube with a balloon cover it
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featured trip wires thankfully no firefighter was injured in the Battle of this fire according to the incident
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report the incident is labeled as second degree arson I'm guessing that there's probably some additional investigation
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that needs to be done to confirm if they want to move forward with second deegree
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arson or Elevate that charge to something else the report also says around $40,000 was lost from the fire uh
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$40,000 in Damages I guess from the fire and the classification is undetermined and criminal currently as it sits on
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October 5th Phelps and Norton both appeared before a Dallas County Judge via a webcam both represented by
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different public offenders during this hearing prosecutors asked for 45 days until the preliminary hearing due to the
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number of Witnesses needed the state asked for 45 days but the defense objected based on state supreme court
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requirements that allows for only a 30-day period this is because they're being charged they're being held in the
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jail they can't leave until they have this preliminary hearing and at their defense they're going to point out look
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if these guys aren't guilty you can't keep him here forever right Dallas County prosecutor Jonathan Barker said
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that if he still isn't ready to proceed after 30 days that he will file a motion
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for more time a judge set a preliminary hearing for November 5th starting at 9:30 a.m. so convenient or not
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convenient this fire goes down right before they're about to have their first encounter with the judge via
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webcam after that goes down the investigators they return to the scene of the fire during daylight hours to
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analyze the area trying to figure out how the fire started to begin with unfortunately having the task of looking
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for more trip wires right to make sure that they themselves are not in danger while being present on this property a
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woman who lives near the home she wanted her to conceal her identity for her own
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protection of course says quote if these people have committed such horrible crimes as they are accused I hope the
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legal system prosecutes them to the fullest extent I am very upset by it Captain let's get into the rumors and I
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want to start off with just the location itself wyville spookyville some call it
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now depending on where you are in the Great City of Springfield Missouri and the small unincorporated town of wyville
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we are talking about an hour to an hour and 20 minutes drive time from Springfield to windyville so to me when
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one of the rumors says that these guys might be or may have been involved in the Springfield 3 case I mean it does
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sound like a stretch a bit but keep in mind the proximity and I'm happy that the good folks of this area refuse to
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just forget about three missing women no matter how old the case is yeah it's it's one of the most popular True Crime
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cases all time you can't just let it go correct and I think that it's not just the proximity that some think that these
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could be these guys could be involved but the key thing here is the van there was a van that was found on the property
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so there's overhead photographs that were taken of this property that was burnt down basically and and people saw
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this van well there was rumors to believe that that's how the Springfield 3 were abducted was a guy using a van
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but I also think you put these two individuals in a time frame they're old enough that they could have been
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involved and also they're being two of them right it would make sense or at least it was considered at the time in
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our episodes we we reference several suspect some of them were groups of people or more than one individual and
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anytime you have a case where you have multiple victims especially trying to Corral them move them from place to
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place that can be very difficult and it gets a little easier the more perpetrators that you have involved
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unfortunately so with this speculation here it's not just the proximity and as you pointed out these guys are old
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enough to have been involved in something heinous back in 1992 but the major connection is the van
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we have a van in the Springfield 3 case and now we have one being found on their
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property the van found on the Phelps and Norton property that's that's the big big link here in my opinion and uhhuh
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some people are saying online that this resembles the van that police were looking for back in the summer of
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1992 here is the infamous van tip received by police in 1992 in regards to the missing three women from Springfield
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and this is taken from our old episode Another tip this one came in about 9 or 10 days after The Disappearance but
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around 6:30 a.m June 7th 1992 this would be just hours after the last time the three women were last
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scene a woman was sitting on her front porch she says that she saw a green Dodge van or a greenish Dodge van and
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she believed that the van had been from the mid 1960s to the early 1970s she also said that the van was out of place
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not a vehicle owned by any of the Neighbors on the Block furthermore she noticed a young woman in the driver's
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seat that appeared to be very distressed the witness claimed hearing an unidentified male voice speaking to the
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driver saying back out slowly and don't do anything stupid the delay for her reporting this was just simply she was
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unaware that anything was going on when she finally heard about the missing women that's when the witness made the
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call and told authorities the woman driver she saw was definitely Suzanne streer one of the Springfield 3
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considering this testimony to be credible local police at the time decided to buy the same model van
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painted the color the witness believed it to be and parked it out front near the police station with a phone number
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to contact the police for any tips and information so they want to make sure that nobody misconstrues the information
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that they're putting out there this is the type of Van that we're looking for we have a we're not just going to draw
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it for you we're not just going to put it out on a post poster for you this is a physical representation of the van
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that we believe that we're looking for in this case have you seen it do you have any information let us know it's a
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really smart idea because it's similar to like when you buy a a Jeep all of a sudden you start seeing those Jeeps
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everywhere mhm and even that color like maybe you're like well I'm going to buy that charcoal Jeep I don't ever see a
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charcoal Jeep and next thing you know that's all you see so I think it's a very smart tactic by law enforcement
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with this move from the Springfield police back in 1992 Traction in the case started picking up again this when a
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paper boy doing his deliveries described seeing this similar type of van but he says the one he saw was brown and states
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that he saw the van when it was dark outside so could not be certain of the actual color of the van over time more
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tips came in and the color of the van changed several times so this really great lead ends up turning into
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confusion a bit in the Springfield case but again as said that tip was really at
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the center of the Springfield 3 investigation so it's no wonder that it has stayed in the minds of locals and in
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fact when we were researching that case and retelling the story and talking about the case here in the garage it's
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one of those weird stories that you almost can visualize what that witness says that she was seeing early that one
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morning which again would have just been hours it's speculation but it's speculation coming from law enforcement
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just hours after the believed time that they were removed from the home well and
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all law enforcement can go off as eyewitnesses of the past and and eyewitnesses of a event that took place
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so long ago it's not like they can test this van in some way to let them know that it's the same van that was used and
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The Disappearance of the Springfield 3 the thing with the photos that I saw Captain it looks to me like the van may
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have been inoperable before the fire right that nobody was using the van it actually looks to me like somebody taken
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the tires off of this thing but if it's inoperable then one has to Wonder Don't You Get curious and go well why are you
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holding on to this thing why are you so reluctant to let it go is there something that you're trying to hide now
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again I can't tell because I'm just looking at photos and we don't have any of the police or fire members to tell us
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what we are seeing but it does not look to me and I hope so I hope this is correct it does not look to me that the
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van was destroyed or ruined in the fire itself that the fire appears to me to have primarily damaged and literally
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destroyed the cabin it I mean it was burnt to the ground you can see a wood burning stove that was once probably in
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the center of that cabin you can see the wood burning stove metal and still standing there and the the debris the
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burnt remains of what was the cabin surrounding it if this fan has carpet lining maybe you can take the carpet and
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test it for DNA and as maybe as far-fetched as this idea or this rumor possibly is this is not the craziest of
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let's get on to some of the rumors here captain and look there's going to be some people that want to throw tomatoes
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at me and you for jumping in on the rumors but uh or for just being handsome we have a garage show to run here and
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this is a case that we can't take our eyes off of and so we're going to talk about it now the first of the rumors
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that I want to address is the finding of meat hooks on the property by law enforcement officials obviously until
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the police start telling us the things that they saw witnessed or found at the property in regards to this we're just
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going to be spinning our tires right we don't know if they found meat now the online speculation has gone as far or
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the rumors have gone as far to say that police found or someone saw body parts hanging from these meat
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hooks that could be visible through either through one of the windows or just outside of the cabin itself it's a
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little foggy on the actual details of that I didn't spend a lot of time sifting through the details or the
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different stories because I mean if that was true there's no charges to justify what somebody claims they saw right and
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again I understand the reason for the speculation the theories and the rumors because of the sheriff's statements and
00:29:10
the Sheriff's Department's statements it sounds to me like we're going to have additional charges there is some
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evidence that is unclear there are things that they found at the scene on the property that have not been told to
00:29:23
the public so they're they're speculating at this point now to me some of these rumors sound very
00:29:32
Texas Chainsaw Massacre is you know something that you would see in a on the big screen and not even in that great of
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a horror film uh to begin with meat hooks with parts hanging from them I don't know well that kind of goes along
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with some of the claims of cannibalism this is all over the map as far as the rumors go of cannibalism one that they
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that Phelps is participating in this that that's part of the reason why he's killing people uh that he has victims to
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begin with that Norton might be involved in this cannibalism as well consuming human remains that yeah I think people
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know what cannibalism is that one well no but I mean there's there's a lot of these different rumors out here so I'm
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kind of sifting through them one at a time here make sure they're clear one that they may have served some human
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remains to another individual or individuals that unknowingly W consume them one of the
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rumors is that they found human meat being stored on the property other rumor is that he was
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consum he was in the act of consuming that Phelps was in the act of consuming human remains when police arrived on on
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one or if not their first visit again these are all things that sound like they're not just out of a movie but but
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out of a really bad movie at that yeah but meat hooks isn't that far of a stretch I mean a lot of people use
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things like that in hunting if they kill a deer they they would hang the deer by
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the meat hooks that's right they sell meat hooks for other purposes uh than committing these horrible crimes and as
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we stated earlier that's interesting that you bring that back into the fold here Captain because we do know that one
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of these individuals that was living on the property has been charged with some type of game warden misdemeanor charges
00:31:31
at some point in their life so this these could be active Outdoors men I I do want to give our promo code for the
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victims and specifically it's been stated that possibly the remains of up to 12 or 13 people have been found on
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the property I think that this rumor comes from speculation that the police well the sheriff's department they spent
00:32:03
a lot of time at this scene well I think the first thing that you do you look you're still looking for Cassidy right
00:32:10
right so you're going to bring in Scent dogs but on top of that worse you know worst case scenario you're looking for a
00:32:17
body so you bring in kadav dogs now kadav dogs could hit on different parts of the property and that would lead them
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to have digs to look for her and in that process they could have found other remains possibly the the other thing
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that I wonder too that I think fuels the fire a little bit again that the amount
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of time that they've spent on this property that doesn't mean that they found a bunch of stuff it could mean as
00:32:46
you're pointing out here Captain simply that what they're looking for they have not found yet and they're refusing to
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leave that property until they either find it or know that it's not there and that item could be as you said Cassidy
00:33:00
rainwaters remains but there's no reports from law enforcement that they discovered her body yet or anybody
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else's or anybody else's for that matter which again makes me wonder who they're
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connected to as far as these the the sex offenders that are connected to the property and who are their connections
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and is it possible like you said here here could be a situation where Phelps is renting this
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property he kidnaps the person then they they cage the individual and then because what Timothy is a truck driver
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that he then transports the victim somewhere yeah that is one of the thoughts and and one of the other rumors
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here as far as additional suspects go and as far as the registered sex offenders go it could be something as
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simple as years ago a registered sex offender rented that same property that that has nothing to do with Phelps or
00:34:00
Norton at all that they don't even know that individual what we do have that kind of clarifies or clears up some of
00:34:07
the additional suspects statement is we have a statement from Sheriff rice who says look everybody that we believe to
00:34:17
be involved in the Cassidy rainwater disappearance case is currently in jail without trying to piece his words
00:34:26
together for him I've got to believe what he's saying there is we believe these two
00:34:32
individuals are responsible we have evidence that shows that they are solely responsible the two of them right and we
00:34:39
have them in custody right now the courts are going to shake this thing out and figure out what exactly happened
00:34:46
here don't be don't be running wild with your thoughts and your theories with additional suspects no matter what you
00:34:53
found or what report you read because we have two individuals that are Li locked
00:34:57
up right now no and I understand that but what we do know is and what I'm saying about the sex trafficking we
00:35:03
capture this individual we are going to then sell her to another individual but that individual is not known yet and
00:35:09
that's possibly where law enforcement gets their tip because we we know that these images of cidy were shared online
00:35:19
why the heck would you share these online you can sift through all the reports and at the very minimum we know
00:35:26
that at at least one of these images made their way online somehow some way right right and what's the purpose of
00:35:34
that you're exactly right here Captain if you got concerns about human trafficking or selling an individual for
00:35:41
any reason at all it seems like the dark web would be a place or Marketplace to do such activity right how did a
00:35:49
photograph like this make it onto the internet and if Phelps and Norton were the only two that knew about this then
00:35:58
one of them would have had to put the photo online at some point right now in relation to the the Caged victims and
00:36:06
transporting kidnapp victims or remains across state lines there's been some speculation in regards to the
00:36:14
cannibalism that maybe they were even selling human meat somewhere somehow again seems
00:36:21
very Friday the 13th Texas Chainsaw Massacre is to me but but what I think is more interesting when we talk about
00:36:30
state lines right we have Timothy Norton he drives a truck he's crossing state lines all the time I'm more concerned
00:36:40
with the idea and the probability of him procuring a victim and transporting them
00:36:48
back to this cabin this secluded cabin with creep number one and creep number two sitting around the old wood burning
00:36:55
stove right that seems like something that would be far more likely and when we talk
00:37:02
about state lines and I guess if you're wanting to hide evidence he has the ability that he has reason to be out on
00:37:09
the road constantly he could be he could be dropping evidence all along the way I
00:37:17
guess from what I found is that his truck is on this property and that there was some type of his trailer it's been
00:37:27
reported was one of these refrigerated trailers so one of the rumors is that human remains of some
00:37:35
sort were found in this trailer again this is speculation but uh certainly adds to the just the
00:37:45
horrific thoughts that you can put into this case and the possibilities in this case but yeah but it's not out of the
00:37:52
realm of possibilities we see these individuals all the time there suspect in one case and that leads to the the
00:38:00
discovery of several other victims well and that's interesting Captain because it it it makes me think of a few
00:38:05
different things here right um first is something we've talked about plenty of times before linkage
00:38:13
blindness right for years John Douglas and his team were trying to point out to sheriff departments and police
00:38:20
departments across this country to not be blinded to the possib ility of linking these unsolved homicide cases
00:38:30
together right here you have what we've seen in some cases which is the reverse of that where the public sees a case and
00:38:40
then starts tacking on every crime unsolved murder kidnapping that they can think of to this being almost a suspect
00:38:48
zero type of situation we've seen that with the Zodiac right his his crimes he committed them using different murder
00:38:55
weapons in different Loc cows so it's easy to just kind of tack on a bunch of unsolved homicides that it took place
00:39:02
in California or surrounding areas at around that same time and say all right well the Zodiac remember when he told us
00:39:10
it was zodiac score 35 and the San Francisco PD score was zero right well here's your other your other homicides
00:39:21
that get us to that 35 number your boy Cold Case Cameron he's told us that Ed Edwards killed every person you could
00:39:28
ever think of he's not my boy I know I know and I I joke I joke funny Theory Cold Case Cameron he's got some
00:39:37
interesting theories on Ed Edwards maybe it's like shooting fish in a barrel at some point if you just throw enough of
00:39:42
them out there you're going to be right on one or two of them yeah th this reminds me also of uh Bruce MacArthur
00:39:50
from Canada the Canadian serero killer he was putting them putting the victim's remains in planter Planters right he was
00:39:58
just burying them in the Planters right because we had the Jimmy Rice case which
00:40:02
that monster that killed that boy he he put He cemented or concrete I don't know
00:40:08
that there is a difference between the two I'm a dumb guy that hangs out in a garage all day I don't know the
00:40:13
difference between cement or concrete and we sniffed glue but he huffing paint so yeah I
00:40:20
can't MacArthur was just burying the the remains in these large Planters from my
00:40:26
understanding yeah and the Bruce MacArthur it's Toronto's missing men part one and two is episodes 191 and 192
00:40:36
on your garage radio dial but I also think that maybe some of these rumors are coming from the severity of I don't
00:40:44
even know if severity is the right word but it's a horrifying image to see yeah the
00:40:52
pictures from the fire and whatnot yeah I think when you see those pictures of Cassidy in the cage or law enforcement
00:40:58
sees those pictures it makes you speculate on what these animals and monsters capable of doing because you
00:41:07
know they're capable of this horrendous crime well and it makes sense too when you
00:41:14
reference a woman being held captive in a cage the thoughts that go through everybody's Minds out there in listener
00:41:21
land and in Parts Unknown it's your imagination runs wild but it runs wild because we've been trained to think that
00:41:30
way we've been told to think that way and rightfully so when we spoke with John Douglas what did he tell us that
00:41:37
the number one thing that he found to be true in most of the cases of these serial killers especially especially the
00:41:44
sexually motivated Predators was that ideally this is their goal they would rather have a sex slave or a captive
00:41:54
victim that they can victimize again and again right they're only serial killers
00:42:00
because at some point they take it too far or they're forced to kill their victim because they don't have a victim
00:42:05
captive or do not have the ability to do so in fact you talk to a lot of old retired FBI agents that have worked
00:42:13
serial cases and they'll reference an old I believe it's an English novel The Collector it's a story about a psychotic
00:42:21
man who abducts a young woman and holds her captive and they reference this because they believe that that is the
00:42:28
the general fantasy that is shared by most of these types so I think that it's it's fair for all of us to think this
00:42:38
way and to speculate and to to want to know the truth behind these rumors whether they are true or not and I think
00:42:47
we're going to find out a lot more about this hopefully we find out more about this stuff when this court date rolls
00:42:54
around next month now we have KY3 News who we are being told from KY3 news that their team of
00:43:03
reporters has been in constant contact with the Dallas County Sheriff's Office specifically with the sheriff himself
00:43:11
Scott Rice however no further details are being released pending those forensic results that they're waiting on
00:43:19
they being the reporters are basically on standby waiting for more or if anything new pops up they will be on it
00:43:27
so right we will be hearing something should anything come out or come of any of this information now we should give
00:43:35
the good Sheriff his due and voice his opinions of the rumors swirling around we know some of his thoughts because in
00:43:42
a Facebook post Sheriff rice addressed Rumors in the investigation Into The Disappearance of Cassidy rainwater he
00:43:49
wrote that he's upset with social media and bloggers thinking that they know what is happening and says quote there
00:43:56
is a lot of misinformation circulating in the case an online article from officer.com I took some little pieces
00:44:05
from this article here they are one says 3 weeks into a massive criminal investigation that's drawn viral
00:44:12
attention the Southwest Missouri sheriff leading the probe went on a rant on his
00:44:17
Department's Facebook page Dallas County Sheriff Scott Rice took aim at fake news
00:44:23
social media and people who he said are too impatient and entitled to wait for the justice system to work quote there
00:44:31
is a lot of misinformation and rumors regarding the Cassidy rainwater case being circulated across social media and
00:44:38
various news platforms rice wrote while I understand the impatience and curiosity of the people I'm going to
00:44:45
give you a piece of advice it's not a good idea to listen to a crime reporter blogger or Tik Tock view or Tik Tok
00:44:53
videos that is sitting in their apartment or their mommy and daddy's basement eating Great Value cheese puffs
00:44:59
and drinking box wine well well excuse me sir we're in a garage with grand intentions of being a social media
00:45:06
Superstar and and hold on and we have no intentions of being any kind of Superstar I I don't think he's talking
00:45:12
to us specifically maybe or maybe he was he criticized the quote crap posted on social media about the case he dropped
00:45:20
the first tidbits of news that have been released within days uh that was the statement that we kind of reviewed
00:45:27
earlier Captain where he says that quote I can tell you we have all parties involved with Cassidy rainwater's case
00:45:34
in jail end quote and he did say quote we expect additional charges to be filed in the coming days again it's it's
00:45:42
statements like that though that I think fuel the fire a little bit for some of these rumors I'm not faulting the
00:45:47
sheriff I'm not even faulting anybody else out there in that live nearby or or live in California Florida New York City
00:45:55
or what have you for speculating on this case I personally think that it's somewhat healthy to to do so it's a
00:46:02
mystery we're concerned that well yeah and we're we're trying to figure out what exactly happened so well at the end
00:46:10
of the day we're we're humans and there was a human that was in these pictures in a cage KY was a real
00:46:20
person we want to know what happened and we don't have answers to that so yet we're going to speculate but we got to
00:46:27
remember what John Douglas told us remember when he said True Crime garage you guys are the best to ever do it
00:46:35
number one true podcast of all time I'm sure he appreciates you making up statements for him but um in regards to
00:46:43
this here Captain it's on record I I understand the rumors that are coming out here he's saying that um
00:46:51
99.99% of what has been posted on social media is crap his statement about we will have or will be
00:47:00
seeking further charges is interesting but again does not necessarily mean that they found anything that they've not
00:47:08
told us about because those addition those additional charges May simply come from a couple possibilities one the
00:47:16
arson itself right they've already I don't know that they've 100% declared that it was absolutely arson or they
00:47:24
just are suspicious of it so far right from my understanding what is what the charge would be on that is involuntary
00:47:34
second degree arson charges well that very easily could Elevate itself to first degree
00:47:43
involuntary or premeditated arson so in relation to the arson we could see additional charges also in The
00:47:51
Disappearance case of Cassidy rainwater herself we could see additional charges again right now they're only being
00:47:56
charged with kidnapping that could be elevated to unfortunately homicide or additional charges so it's likely and
00:48:05
the sheriff is it's likely that we will see additional charges I think that and what I hope is that they didn't stay on
00:48:11
that property for as long as they did because they couldn't find anything else right and again that that goes back to
00:48:18
to my thoughts I I don't necessarily think that them being there so long indicates that they were finding things
00:48:26
that were useful to their case I'm worried that they weren't finding what they thought they would find there when
00:48:33
they arrived well maybe the spookiest thing about this case is not only did Cassy go missing but her mother went
00:48:41
missing as well yeah so cassidie rainwater's mother Tracy wa wasak went missing in
00:48:49
2007 based on previous kr1 reporting her mother tra Tracy her remains were found scattered in a field
00:48:58
near Lebanon a year later so went missing in 2007 her remains are found scattered in this field that's not
00:49:08
incredibly far from wyville it's not you know real close to this property but it's in the same part of the state as
00:49:18
where these two individuals live the this article that I found goes on to say here Captain quote it was unusual some
00:49:25
of the statements made by people that will have to go on with the New Evidence we have here and see where it leads us
00:49:33
and this is what the lle County Sheriff Richard wrinkle is telling the news and this was his statement to the news after
00:49:45
the remains themselves were found now for my understanding Tracy's disappearance was reported as suspicious
00:49:51
but no cause of death has ever been released on her case and no one has ever been arrested in that case yeah but her
00:50:00
remains were scat pretty much assume it's homicide we do we do have the lley County coroner Steve mural who tells
00:50:10
Ozark first it's still an open case this in regards to Cassidy's mother and Merl
00:50:16
says that at this time he does not believe that there is any connection between Cassidy's disappearance and her
00:50:22
mother's death um again her mother went missing in 2007 and then remains were found the following year maybe it's not
00:50:30
likely but it's not impossible and hopefully we get more answers for Cassidy rainwater as these two monsters
00:50:38
go on try thank you so much for joining us here in the garage thanks for being our best
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