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[Music] The Most Dangerous Game also published as the hounds of Zaroff is a short story by Richard Connell the
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fictional work was first published in January of 1924. the story features a big game hunter
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from New York City Who falls off a yacht and swims to what seems to be an abandoned and isolated island in the
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Caribbean where he is hunted by a Russian Aristocrat the general plot of The Most Dangerous Game
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is one that has been adapted many times over the years the story is inspired by big game hunting safaris in Africa and
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South America that were particularly fashionable among wealthy Americans in the 1920s the most dangerous game has
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been called the most popular short story ever written in English upon its publication it won the O'Henry
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award here in the garage we do our best to Advocate and fight for the victims of
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True Crime but as embarrassing as it is sometimes the draw are the villains the villain of the most dangerous game
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is a big game hunter General Zaroff who's been hunting animals since he was a boy
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he has decided that killing big game has become boring so he moves to an island and sets it up to trick ships into
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wrecking themselves on the jagged rocks that surround it he takes the survivors captive and hunts
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them for sport Zaroff gives them food a knife and a three-hour Head Start and then hunts
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them down with a small caliber pistol any captives who elude zoroth his servant and a pack of hunting dogs for
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three days will be set free unfortunately for many of the stranded Sailors that find themselves on the
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island Zaroff proves to be an incredibly successful Hunter the once Big Game Hunter General Zaroff
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turns serial killer as he hunts the most dangerous animal of them all man he kills for sport for the thrill of the
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hunt for the pleasure of the kill Zaroff is the hunter the Trap Sailors are the hunted and the island is his
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hunting ground and playground many of our listeners will think of the Zodiac Killer when they hear the title
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The Most Dangerous Game because of the possible reference in ciphers that the Zodiac Killer sent to
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newspapers in the San Francisco Bay Area when decoded by husband and wife Donald
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and Betty Hardin we learned that the monster calling himself the Zodiac said quote I like killing people because it
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is so much fun and is more fun than killing Wild game in the forest because man is the most dangerous animal of all
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to kill something gives me the most thrilling experience and in the 2007 film zodiac the film version of the most
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dangerous game is mentioned a number of times in this week's case the story of the hunter killing men on an island
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is even more relevant but really anytime we are discussing humans hunting humans
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it is relevant especially when discussing organized and methodical serial killers
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because that is what they do essentially they hunt the majority of these types are obsessed
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with sexual violence legendary FBI profiler Roy Hazelwood called these types the great white
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sharks in his book dark dreams he goes through all the theories about what goes into
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the creation of a sexual criminal an organized sexual and hate motivated serial killers
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in the end he reminds us that the most obvious and the most frightening explanation of all is that some
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offenders commit sexual violent crimes simply because they want to they like it and they have no regard for what the
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rest of society thinks John Douglas may be the most famous FBI profiler of all wrote in his 1995 book
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mine hunter serial killers play a Most Dangerous Game the more we understand the way they play
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the more we can stack the odds against them this is true crime garage [Music] no one knows for sure when it all
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started it being young women going missing in and around Anchorage Alaska some say it was 1980. others say it was
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as early as Christmas of 1971. the only person who knows for sure ain't talking we will start off in the winter of 1981
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in Anchorage Alaska Us in the lower 48 when we think of Alaska we think of the cold and the snow
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the average temperature in Alaska in December is between 13 and 25 degrees the population of the city of Anchorage
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at the end of 1981 would be right around 175 000 people on December 2nd 1981 Andrea Altieri was
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reported missing by her girlfriend she told police at the time of filing the report that Andrea worked as an exotic
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dancer in Downtown Anchorage and she was last seen going to meet an unknown male
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for a photo shoot Andrea never returned home she was last seen taking a checker cab to the
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Boniface mall around 11 pm this is in Anchorage Alaska according to our friends over at the Charlie project
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Andrea Altieri was also known by her stage name enchantment and by a nickname fish the young woman is described as a
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white female adult with a medium complexion 24 years of age she was reported as being five foot five inches
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tall and 120 pounds Miss Altieri had medium to long brown hair that she wore straightened and had
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brown eyes she was last seen wearing a black leather jacket red sweater blue jeans
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brown cowboy boots and may have been carrying a small flowered makeup bag and a black zipper purse
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Andrea was also reported to have been wearing some very distinctive items and anytime captain that we're talking about
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a missing person we've always said this if you can't find the person you hope to
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at least find some of the items that they had on their person when they went missing and it helps to have distinctive
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specific items seen that in several cases that we've covered here the distinctive items that
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are listed are a gold colored ring with one Pearl a golden colored ring with two
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pearls an antique wedding band set with a rose set top and a custom made golden necklace shaped like a salmon with a
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diamond set as the eye the rumors I saw say that she was offered three hundred dollars for a photo shoot with this
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unknown mail so that's a lot of money that's an attractive offer to someone to go out on this photo shoot be probably
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roughly around three thousand dollars in today's money yeah that was nearly 40 years ago so I don't know the the
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translation here if you would about the bunny but 300 bucks is is still a lot of
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coin today now we have no one that says that they ever saw Andrea again and we have her friends we have her mother and
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the Alaska state Troopers who have looked for Andrea for years and of course Foul Play is suspected in
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altieri's case due to the circumstances involved now we say we don't know when it really started because it is anyone's
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guess it could be when young women started to go missing we have Megan Emerick Mary thill and Roxanne easlin
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these women range in age from 17 to 24. all three were reported missing between July 1973 and June of 1980. all were
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reported missing under similar circumstances and they had all made some type of arrangement with an unknown mail to meet
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for money some were offered money for a photo shoot some for lunch some for sex just like Andrea Altieri they have never
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been seen again so all these women go missing in the 70s and 80s and we don't know if it's by the same person we know
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all the women were propositioned with an opportunity do we know how these individuals were connecting with these
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women because obviously there wasn't the internet back then I my guess would be at their work or however they were
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earning their money would be the where this opportunity came from in each of these circumstances I
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can't say for certain we're going off of somewhat vague details that are ranging
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from 40 to almost 50 years old the other thing here Captain is when we talk about
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it when it started it also could be when bodies started to turn up now there was
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a girl found on Christmas Day 1971 this was 17 year old Celia vanzanten and then
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there was the unidentifiable remains that were located in July of 1980. workmen discovered skeletal remains in a
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shallow grave while working on some power lines the body was very decomposed indicating
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her death had occurred months earlier authorities hoped that maybe some of the items found with the remains would lead
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to an identification of this individual these items were a brown leather hip length jacket a light colored knitted
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sleeveless shirt blue jeans and red knee-high high heeled zip up boots a box of Salem matches were found in a
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pocket of her jacket indicating this person may have been a smoker the victim was also wearing several pieces
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of jewelry a handmade metal bracelet with three turquoise stones a copper necklace containing shell beads and
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heart pendant and a Timex wristwatch and gold-plated Twisted Metal hoop earrings
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when this person is found these items are listed pictured and sent out to the public asking for the Public's help can
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you help us to identify this person that we have found the autopsy report concluded that she was likely killed by
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a stab wound to the back and revealed that the victim was petite probably between four foot eleven to five foot
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three inches tall and most likely white although she may have had a degree of Native American Heritage her hair color
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range from light brown to Strawberry Blonde again these remains are very decomposed they don't know who they're
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looking looking at some of the things that they are observing and taking note of they cannot say for certain because
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of the decomposition that has taken place right they believe that this individual would have been most likely
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between the ages of 16 and 25. now the interesting thing that jumps off the page here to me Captain is she's falling
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right in that age range of women that have gone missing right and the body that has already turned up one just like
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you were saying because of their ages because of the manner in which they're found or
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not found you can't rule out the possibility that they're all connected so this person
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whoever she may be to this very day is yet to be properly identified and she is known as eklutna Annie and this is
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simply because she was found near aklutna Lake Road in aklutna area of Anchorage Alaska
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the same month in that same very area and with this one the authorities will have much more luck
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there were additional remains found there were remains found in a gravel pit and they were listed as badly decomposed
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as well she was later identified as Joanna Messina two months later 41 year old Lisa
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Futrell was reported missing Lisa was reported to last be seen leaving her job for a date Lisa was a dancer at a club
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in Anchorage then in November of 1981 23 year old Sherry Morrow also known as Sherry
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Graves and known as Georgia at the club where she danced she danced at this busy
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show bar on 4th Avenue in Anchorage we have these people going missing and we have some bodies turning up and all of
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this with the bodies turning up this takes us right back around full circle to the lady that we first discussed
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Andrea Altieri reported missing early December 1981. notice in the missing persons
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reports as far as the months go when these young women are going missing they are sort of all over the shop right
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they're going missing in all kinds of different months throughout these years but it's no surprise that given the cold
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temperatures and the amount of snow in Alaska that we are finding bodies when we are finding bodies it is limited to
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the summer months or at least the warmer months well this story will really start to heat up in September of 1982.
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remember Sherry Morrow that we just discussed so this is when the body of exotic dancer Sherry Morrow was found
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near the Nick River by two off-duty police officers who were out moose hunting I want to read this article
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because it really lays everything out nicely especially when it comes to the thoughts of the investigators when
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Sherry Morrow's body was found now the headline reads more Graves sought after dancer found and the article reads
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Alaska State Troopers are expected to search for more Graves on the willow scrub sand bars of the Nick River where
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moose Hunters discovered the body of a missing dancer earlier this month but Troopers and Anchorage police say they
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doubt the murder of 24 year old Sherry Morrow is related to The Disappearance of at least three other dancers from
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Anchorage since June of 1980. Trooper lieutenant John shover said quote there's nothing now to indicate that the
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disappearances are anything other than a coincidence as Anchorage police investigator Maxine
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Farrell put it quote we don't believe that we have a mass murderer out here some psycho knocking off girls but we
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have to cover every possibility Miss Morrow also known as Sherry Graves worked at a club on anchorage's Fourth
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Avenue she vanished November 17 1981 leaving her belongings behind her body was found
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September 12th in a shallow grave on a sandbar a mile below the bridge on the Palmer alternate Highway
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quote we've got to keep those other girls in the back of our minds said Trooper homicide investigator Lyle
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hogsman the Moose Hunter said he was checking the area around his campsite to see if I could stir something up before
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dark when he discovered Miss Morrow's body the Hunter and off-duty officer said at first he was unsure what he had
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found but was suspicious because he had also found a boot and a jacket nearby two of the other missing dancers have
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been identified as Roxanne Eastland last seen leaving for a date on June 28 1980
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and Lisa Futrell last seen leaving her job for a date on September 7th 1980. yeah this all seems pretty familiar we
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have these women that are either working as sex workers or they're working as strippers getting opportunities by some
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guy and not just a decent opportunity these are lucrative opportunities never seen again but Alaska is a big
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area so how how much distance are we seeing between where the bodies are discovered I don't have the information
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right in front of me here Captain it's probably a good amount of distance the the difference is in a couple of the
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cases there's not a lot of distance they're they're found in the same area I'm just wondering how close to like the
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Gilgo Beach well in that situation they were they were walking distance apart I mean you walk down the street and you're
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finding another another body doesn't seem familiar to like the Long Island serial killer murders well that's just
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it with all these serial cases they usually seem very familiar they've there's a lot of similarities that go
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into the procuring the victims and the disposal of victims and so forth and so on and
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then when you get knee-deep into it then you start to really realize the complexity of each case and that there
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are some things that are very unique to each case and that's what we're going to
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see here what is not so obvious is that you can't just look at a situation and go okay well we got a bunch of women
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that are missing and wait now we got a bunch of bodies that are turning up and the missing are
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not the same as the bodies that are turning up because unfortunately the bodies that are
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turning up are no longer missing right and you can't just look at that situation and go well we got a Serial
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offender here we got one guy that's as the one officer put it in that article so bluntly we don't think that we have
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some psycho running around knocking off girls you have three different officers that
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were there looking for additional bodies that's what's interesting we found one body Sherry Morrow's body
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in this area we're here not only looking for additional evidence in her homicide
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they publicly State we're also here looking for other bodies that is of course because we have the missing women
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that have still not been found so in this case I think it's weird because you have three officers stating
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we don't think we're dealing with anything that's connected here and I think what's going to back up those gut
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instincts that they're having when interviewed for this article in September of 1982
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is that they don't find any other bodies in that immediate area but what they are going to find is going to
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be related to the forensics so in Sherry Morrow's case it took about two weeks to
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identify her remains to figure out who are we looking at here now you heard what was said in the
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article this victim and the other missing dancers are probably just a coincidence
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but it's the forensic work conducted that will tell us otherwise and that is because investigators found
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a spent 223 shell casing the casing makes sense okay considering that they were able to determine that
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Sherry Morrow was shot in the back right the strange thing with Sherry Morrow's case
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she was shot in the back but she didn't have any bullet holes in her clothing that was found on her body meaning she
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was shot naked and then her clothes were put back on her yes of course a strong suggestion that she was nude when killed
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and then someone took the time to dress her before burying her in a shallow grave
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so of course they would hope to find a shell casing and they did they found it near Sherry Morrow's body
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but what makes this even more interesting and of course investigators are going to learn this fact after this
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article was printed they find out that two years prior to that incident two other women
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had been found in similar circumstances the first was that eklutna Annie who's never been identified
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the second was a topless dancer named Joanna mosena and the occlutna Annie case evidence showed that the body had
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been buried at one time but had been Unearthed by animals so when she was discovered she's above
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ground but they have all this evidence that someone took the time to bury this victim Joanna was the one that was found
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nearby the glutenant Annie in a gravel pit so they found a 223 shell casing at one
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of these sites as well so now things are starting to look a lot different you have two bodies found near
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one another one body is out of a dancer and you have a 223 casing from one of the burials
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then two years later you find the body of another dancer Sherry Morrow and find a 223k
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a 223 casing in the dirt alongside her body so you might have a bunch of missing
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young women and bodies popping up but now you have strong reason to believe that these three at least these three
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homicides are connected foreign [Music] [Music] welcome back cheers to the people in the
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front and in the back and cheers to you colonel the people in the back get some seats up
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front they were so down they were sold out all right we talked about now we have
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some things showing us that some of these cases are probably connected so let's fast forward about a year okay
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this is going to take us to September of 1983. when the body of 17 year old Paula
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Golding was found in a shallow grave on the bank of the Nick River she too had been shot in the back but again they
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find no bullet holes on her clothing so she too had been shot and then someone dressed her before burying her in a
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shallow grave now we know by reviewing the list of the missing and the bodies that have turned up that we likely have
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a higher body count than that of what has been recovered but now a fourth victim is recovered and the remains were
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left in a very similar manner as remains that were left at a previous body recovery site so
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we're seeing a lot of a lot of connection between some of these victims and then you know
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you still have several that are out there and that are missing and as you pointed out earlier Captain this is a
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big area there's lots of space to hide things should one want to well and the weather doesn't cooperate with the
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discovery of the bodies either if a girl is taken and she's murdered and then placed into the woods and then you have
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weeks of snow and weeks of winter that really hinders the the investigation well and in some of these cases you feel
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like maybe there's a little luck involved for the investigators because the bodies weren't
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buried very deep these are extremely shallow graves right and animals are plentiful in this area and have
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Unearthed at least one of the victims and you wonder had somebody gone to a a more greater effort than maybe these
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bodies may not have been ever recovered right now let's get into some info this is
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from another news article this time listen to how the general thoughts and suspicions of the case how they have
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changed somewhat dramatically in the last year and some of these officers and detectives that are quoted in this
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article are the same that were quoted in the previous one that we reviewed this article is titled two more names may be
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added to list of missing bar dancers and it reads homicide investigators are trying to determine whether two more
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names should be added to the growing list of bar dancers who have vanished from Anchorage since 1980. frustrated
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police fear Six Women on the list may be dead their bodies hidden in the vast Anchorage expanses
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they already know that a seventh woman is dead while they say there may be more than
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one killer investigators suspect that one man may have murdered them all quote he's still here says Maxine
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Farrell she's an Anchorage Police Homicide investigator who's been tracking the missing women for at least
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two years she goes on to say the publicity might have pushed him under a little but he's here
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they the victims they're going off with somebody they trust she says I believe he's in his late 30s early 40s probably
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clean cut and soft-spoken to where the girls feel really safe with him he may be affluent if not he pretends to be
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These Girls Aren't stupid he's got to be able to show he can pay I don't think they just ran away these
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girls are leaving behind things they would not normally leave so far at least seven women most in
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their 20s with light hair most new in town new to Anchorage have disappeared under strikingly similar circumstances
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an eighth woman whose body was found near acclutna in 1980 is on the list but little is known of her
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the women often are transients and when they turn up missing nobody calls it in this according to miss pharaoh hunters
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in 1982 found one of the seven that was the 23 year old Sherry Morrow buried on a sandbar
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near the Nick River this is about 25 miles north of Anchorage she was fully clothed and had been shot
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by a rifle investigator said her shallow grave was located in an accessible area
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a second partially decomposed body has yet to be identified was Unearthed nearby earlier this month she too had
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been shot and appeared to have been dressed her grave was in a nearly inaccessible remote area police think
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she is one of the missing dancers but are awaiting dental records from Hawaii to be sure miss Farrell says records
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checks now indicate two more women may fit a profile compiled by police they are Kathy disher age 23 who disappeared
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late last year and delene Frey 20 who was reported missing in September but may have vanished in March
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Miss Farrell goes on to say they make me suspicious enough to take a closer look
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also missing are six other women the first was reported missing in August of 1980 the most recent in April of 1983.
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most are dancers at topless and bottomless clubs and bars police say one worked in a massage parlor at least one
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had been arrested for prostitution and others were known to the members of the Anchorage police vice squad
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many of them had close contact with their families and friends before they dropped out of sight she says that's
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interesting to me Captain because what the officer is telling us there is that these women as transient as they may be
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right they are keeping in contact with their loved ones and loved ones have not heard from them so something
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dramatically has changed in their lives to put them in a situation where either they're choosing not to contact loved
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ones or cannot contact loved ones well I was going to bring up the point because
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Alaska is one of the places people go so other people don't know where they're at they
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go missing on their own uh but like you said what a great point these people were yes they're in Alaska
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and they're working and they could disappear at any point that they want to but the recent passed they were in constant
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contact with friends or family members so it wasn't like they just went off and became Alexander Supertramp I want
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something on the record right here right now Captain if I go missing or I disappear I want to squash all
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suspicions right away I will leave a note I will tell someone all right put that on the record if you don't hear
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from me or you don't find a note something happened to the colonel something bad somebody got him now she
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goes on to talk about the missing again and she said one told friends that she was going to meet a man at noon
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listen to all these similarities again meet a man at noon at a downtown restaurant and then go to a photo
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session with this man another said she was meeting a man at noon who offered her three hundred dollars for one hour
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of her time police reports indicate a third woman told friends she was meeting a
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really neat guy at a restaurant around noon on the day that she went missing neat very neat another was going to a
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lunch date by cab and one was meeting a man she said was a doctor the detective goes on to say of the missing women with
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one exception they all were in their 20s between five foot four and five foot seven inches tall weighed about 120 to
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125 pounds and we're slim usually busty Sergeant Lyle hogsvin and Alaska State Trooper investigator working the cases
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says police are trying to assemble a psychological profile to assist the investigation he says one man possibly
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from the Anchorage area may be responsible for the killing of two women whose bodies were found on the Nick
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River quote the graves were so similar shallow he says no great effort was made to bury them there may not have been
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time just to know the area where he took the girls yeah it's a local meaning the
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suspect Searchers stocked the rivers sandbars during the past weekend looking for more
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bodies but came up empty-handed checks with other states for similar crimes have added nothing meanwhile Troopers
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are compiling a list of names to feed into a computer in hopes of finding another thread quote it's extremely
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frustrating you think you've got things going but then boom you're back to square one hogsman says
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if it is a mass Killer maybe he's on a mission or something maybe he's got a fetish he's got to do but they are
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coming more frequently meaning the bodies when he says they at the end of the article now that article is a
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little long and I apologize for that but there's a lot of interesting things in there
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and to me this is something that I've believed for years and had several discussions with others about
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specifically some detectives who hold profilers and FBI agents in very high regard and sometimes higher than they
00:36:23
hold themselves and I've always kind of thought like yeah there are people that go to school
00:36:30
that are educated that are trained in the ways of criminal profiling right but Captain you and I have been looking at
00:36:37
cases that are much older then when profiling really came to be and one thing that I've always seen in this
00:36:45
article fully shows that that really at their core detective's profile a case they
00:36:54
profile the offender the area where a body is found the circumstances under which the person went missing they
00:37:01
profiled the victimology right we see that right here in this article where one of the officers is talking about
00:37:07
what types of girls are going missing and turning up dead where they're working about their ages and really
00:37:15
making a connection between the victims that they're they don't know each other may not know each other but they're
00:37:21
similar people living similar lifestyles in similar areas then the other officer goes on to say
00:37:27
look this might be why one person would be out here killing all these women and I believe he's a local and here's why
00:37:35
and backs it up with some some thoughts and suspicions so in a way they are profilers well at this point in
00:37:43
the case that's all that investigators can do is profile but we get a break in the case because one of the victims gets
00:37:52
away yeah that's what's so interesting in this case because here we have two newspaper articles that are almost
00:37:59
exactly one year apart where the investigators who one were tracking the missing women and two are investigating
00:38:09
the bodies that they they are finding say two completely different things first a year ago we don't think these
00:38:16
are connected there's enough we know enough about the streets we know enough about the victims and the area that
00:38:23
we're working that our gut tells us not connected fast forward one year later completely different song and dance
00:38:31
all of them are saying there's a chance that they're not connected but now we feel based off of what we've learned
00:38:38
about the victims in the last year what we've learned about the forensics and the evidence right that we're finding at
00:38:45
these body recovery sites that they very likely are connected so much so that they're going out of their way to tell
00:38:52
the general public the women that are still missing that we've not even recovered yet we think are probably
00:38:58
connected to what we are finding here so when you think about all that has changed in the case over the course of
00:39:06
that year the evidence has changed and there's more concrete ways to link the victims together
00:39:11
they are from the same area living similar Lifestyles some are missing under similar circumstances bodies are
00:39:18
being found near one another and killed and or left in the same manner all of that is happening but the other thing
00:39:26
that happened in this case is Cindy Paulson Cindy Paulson happened Cindy was only 17
00:39:34
years old and she is scratching by working as a dancer and sex worker and living in Anchorage Alaska
00:39:41
on our timeline technically we are going back about three months Captain so now it's the middle of June 1983. right
00:39:50
Cindy is out working and she gets in this guy's car the guy is fairly average looking a
00:39:59
little on the ugly side he's got pock marks on his face and glasses and wears glasses
00:40:06
he offers Cindy 200 for oral sex now this is quite a bit above the normal street rate and she accepts yeah because
00:40:16
because in Columbus you can go to Main Street and get a [ __ ] for a cheeseburger well the two of them agree
00:40:21
to drive somewhere and at some point this man pulls a gun on her he tells her that he is going to take his time and
00:40:30
they are going to do what he wants and if she cooperates no one will get hurt if she doesn't do as he says or if he's
00:40:40
going to create problems for him he is going to kill her yeah he basically says look you're going to chalk this up to a
00:40:47
bad experience you picked the wrong guy and maybe from now on if you do what I tell you to do I'm going to let you free
00:40:56
you're you're going to be safe and from just now on you're gonna you might want to be more careful on which individuals
00:41:03
you pick up he then put some handcuffs on the young woman and then drove her to what she could only assume was his home
00:41:11
where he sexually assaulted her and tortured her at one point he raped her on a black
00:41:17
bear-skinned rug she was in this guy's basement for a couple of hours he even briefly took a
00:41:25
nap during the ordeal she of course was handcuffed and chained up during that but she could see all
00:41:31
kinds of hunting trophies mounted on the walls of the basement the man first told her his name was Dawn
00:41:40
but then hours later maybe after the nap he's saying his name was Bob but she didn't have any reason to believe either
00:41:47
name would be his real name unless he did absolutely intend to kill her then it wouldn't matter if she knew his
00:41:57
name or not just like the two hundred dollars he had promised her wouldn't matter either
00:42:02
she knew he was going to kill her so after the guy took a short nap he wakes up and he tells her that he likes
00:42:10
her he really likes her he said that he had done this sort of thing before he gets a girl takes her to his house and
00:42:19
then he takes her up to his cabin out in the middle of nowhere the two of them will spend a couple days
00:42:25
there and when he is done he flies the girls back gives them some money and lets them go
00:42:33
but he said he really liked her so he might be spending more time with her than he did with the others
00:42:43
eventually the guy drives the two of them to a local Airfield this is Merrill Field airport where he has a small blue
00:42:52
and white plane waiting the man parked the car and got out and told the still handcuffed Cindy
00:43:00
you're not to move or else because if you start moving and making a bunch of noise well then you are going to get me
00:43:09
very angry and when I get angry I shoot girls so she better not upset him after he left the car to load the plane
00:43:20
Cindy Paulson threw her body into the driver's seat and opened the door she doesn't have any shoes on
00:43:27
her hands are cuffed but she sprinted to the nearest road that she could find the man turned
00:43:35
around and saw her running now keep in mind this is in the middle of the night well early in the morning it's still
00:43:44
very dark out the man goes running after her with his gun she runs out onto Fifth Avenue at
00:43:53
about 5 a.m in the morning she's beat up and handcuffed thank God there was someone out on the road a trucker
00:43:59
driving his big rig and thank God again this guy stopped to help Cindy she jumps
00:44:06
in the truck and the two speed off now the guy chasing after Cindy got so close to the truck close enough that the
00:44:15
Good Samaritan driver could see that she was being chased by a man with a gun right not just a man
00:44:24
this man was armed and looked like he was ready to use it once in the truck they're driving off
00:44:32
Cindy asked the driver to take her to a motel where her boyfriend was staying there's
00:44:39
some arguing back and forth between the trucker and Cindy about where they should be going the trucker really felt
00:44:46
like they should be going to the police station right Cindy wanted nothing to do
00:44:50
with anything and only wanted to get to the motel during the course of that argument it
00:44:58
does of course come up that Cindy had some reservations about going to the police station because of some of her
00:45:06
activities that she was involved in leading up to this horrific event right now let's go back to the Airfield right
00:45:16
the man that took Cindy captive after he sees her jump in this truck and drive off now he's going to make his way
00:45:24
back to his vehicle and he's going to drive off and get out of Dodge as quickly as he can
00:45:30
but a security guard took notice of all of this strange behavior that was going on
00:45:37
and he wrote down the license plate number on this guy's vehicle now back at the motel
00:45:47
Cindy Paulson still hand in handcuffs she got a hold of her boyfriend and someone working the front desk decided
00:45:55
that at that point you know whether she wants to or not I'm calling the police so the front desk worker calls in the
00:46:05
Anchorage Police Department yeah I also heard that the truck driver drove to the
00:46:10
police department as well I think he did after dropping her off at the motel yeah
00:46:17
when police arrived at the motel Cindy provided a highly detailed account of the abduction this included information
00:46:24
about the man's car his home possibly even what street it was on and the small airplane
00:46:32
she described her attacker as a white male medium build five foot six inches tall 170 pounds with short brown hair
00:46:41
with crossed front teeth and acne scars on his face now at this point in the story Captain
00:46:48
Cindy is in a police car they are heading for the hospital as is standard protocol for a victim of a sexual
00:46:56
assault while in route to the hospital they drive past the same Airfield this Cindy said she had run from this is
00:47:05
just an hour or so earlier [Music] she God bless this woman I mean she is amazing to be in such a horrific
00:47:14
situation and be able to remember such good details she was able to remember what the plane
00:47:23
looked like that he was attempting to load her into and where the plane was parked at the
00:47:32
Airfield she walked the police to a little blue and white plain and this was identified as a Super
00:47:44
Cub aircraft tail number n3089z now around this same time the security officer that made note of some strange
00:47:56
Behavior earlier well he is speaking with police this man's name is Brian Demers he told the
00:48:05
police that at 5 14 a.m that morning he observed a white male running to a vehicle the man was wearing a green coat
00:48:13
and hat and ran to a green vehicle Demers was able to provide them with the plate number Alaska plate number
00:48:22
bjz775 yeah so at this point it's kind of like ah got him but is this the guy that is responsible for
00:48:33
multiple women going missing yeah is he responsible for these other disappearances is he responsible for the
00:48:39
bodies that are turning up he's obviously going to look very good for this case and how quickly you have all this
00:48:46
information about this dude because the beautiful thing about things like tail numbers and license plate numbers they
00:48:53
usually lead you directly to somebody right and you're hoping it leads you directly to the somebody that's
00:49:01
responsible for abducting this young woman assaulting her and trying to take her to
00:49:09
God knows where well in law enforcement's not going to hesitate they're going to just go right to his
00:49:14
house yeah because very quickly the police discover that the plane was registered to a Robert C Hansen who
00:49:22
lived it 72-23 old Harbor Road now let's cross reference that with our other tidbit of information here the
00:49:30
vehicle license plate was registered to a Robert C Hansen as well yeah now as far as this investigation is
00:49:38
concerned we're cooking with gas now by this time Captain we have had several years of dancers and others reported to
00:49:46
be missing plus we have about three years of bodies turning up so of course police and detectives are fully aware
00:49:54
that something is going on they believe they have some cases that might be connected maybe they're not
00:50:02
that is in part because when we are investigating the disappearances and the homicides
00:50:08
they took to the streets and to the show Bars into the clubs asking the traditional questions is
00:50:16
there anyone you suspect of harming so and so or were there any Johns that this victim
00:50:23
was afraid of and told you about maybe somebody got rough with her or maybe somebody roughed up this woman
00:50:31
and after doing the leg work police detectives had themselves a list of 15 to 20 suspects depending on which
00:50:39
detective you spoke to this Robert C Hansen whose car was seen at the Airfield where Cindy escaped her Captor
00:50:48
Cindy independently of the security guards account identifies the plane that belongs to Robert C Hansen
00:50:57
the security guard independently of Cindy identifies the vehicle as belonging to Robert C Hansen right so
00:51:07
again things are lining up nicely for police that this abduction and rape case should go
00:51:13
quite smoothly for them but is it connected to any of the other cases that's the big question mark because
00:51:20
Robert C Hansen was not a name that the responding officers and more importantly
00:51:25
detective flothy who would catch the case none of them are familiar with this name and the name Robert Hansen
00:51:32
certainly didn't appear on any current suspect list and on top of that when law enforcement goes to talk to Hanson he
00:51:39
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