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get into some more information that the arim police have stated publicly Taylor was dating someone at the time she
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disappeared detectives told the Beacon Journal that this young man was cooperative with their investigation so
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the young man that she is dating at the time that she vanished this young man was helpful and Cooperative to the
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detectives and to their investigation on the flip side of that coin there was an ex-boyfriend and this
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guy was not Cooperative the inv investigation initially focused on him and detectives searched his car and used
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special chemicals to search for bodily fluids although the report is that they found nothing then the ex lawyered up
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his attorney said his client spoke to detectives and gave a statement in which he denied any involvement in Taylor's
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disappearance Lieutenant Rick Edwards of the AC PD told News Channel 5 that police were continuing to try to to
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obtain information from this man but the Beacon Journal reported in 2014 that the police interviewed or
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tried to interview two men who were close to Taylor one reportedly struggled while taking a polygraph test and the
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other has refused to cooperate both men have lawyers and both men are no longer talking with investigators and it sounds
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like maybe one of them wasn't really talking much to begin with and just like the old Native American proverb says
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beware the man that does not speak and the dog that does not bark here in this situation the man that does not speak
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means one of these guys that refuses to speak with the police with no news of Taylor theories
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abounded could she have stepped out of the house with no shoes to make a call and been grabbed
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had someone been watching the house and was aware that she would be there virtually alone that night had someone
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come to the door and grabbed her when she opened it did someone come looking for her there or did she leave the house
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on her own valtion there were no answers and of course police weren't talking about their
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investigation 2 weeks after Taylor went missing Taylor's cousin the Reverend Sharon Wilson said she believed her
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relative was being held captive by someone somewhere we don't know if that was just wishful thinking or based on
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specific information Crim Stoppers announced a reward for tips as to Taylor's location yeah but what a sad
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world we live in that somebody would hope that their loved one was being held captive somewhere and not dead
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somewhere right and I think I think that's part of you know the news coming out of Cleveland
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just days after Taylor went missing and Taylor she missed Mother's Day in May of 2013 she never missed
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spending this day with her mother in all of her 19 years of age about a month after Taylor went missing her ex
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contacted police and reported that a group of people riding in three different cars had threatened him
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outside of his a family member's house this police report was filed on June 15th and indicated that the persons
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named by the ex as quote threatening him included members of Taylor's family but
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the Robinson's and Ruckers never came out publicly well this come goes back to my um remember my game show about the
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killer clowns where you go around and you you rough up these possible suspects MH and we get some answers I I think
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that's probably what was happening on some level that they've talked to police police have then tried to reach out to
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these ex-boyfriends or or people that are connected and they're not talking or there's some confusion as about the
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polygraph and you hear these rumors at some point you're like well let me talk to him cuz maybe I could get him talking
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so I think that's probably what it was well I don't know what happened but what I wanted to make make sure that I point
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it out in all of these years and all the opportunities that the Robinson Rucker family has
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had they've been nice enough to not name these individuals publicly right or accuse these individuals mention them by
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name so I think there should be something said for their character for choosing to not do that because they
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very well could have right in August of 200 13 the family received tips this is quote from people who knew what was
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going on with Taylor these tips are that Taylor had been the victim of Foul Play
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and Searchers should be looking in a heavily wooded area around First Energy substation in the 700 block of West
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Thorton Street and West akan some pants and a sheet were found in this area they
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followed up on this anonymous tip or I guess it's not Anonymous but this weird tip that comes
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in but it was determined that they likely came from a nearby homeless encampment they didn't belong to Taylor
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and there was no sign of Taylor at this location but on September 9th 2013 4 months after Taylor vanished from
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the home where she was working her family's worst fears came true two hikers and some stories say they were
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joggers were enjoying some outdoor time in the kyoga Valley National Park this is a
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massive Federal Recreation Area North of akan they came across a recognizably human
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jawbone and nearby they found the rest of a skull the hikers reported this to the National Park Service there is a
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ranger station about 2 mi down river View Road the FBI evidence Response Team arrived on site and began Gathering
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evidence in the woods early reports were just that human remains were found and the body was so decomposed as to they
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couldn't they couldn't distinguish whether what they were looking at was male or female mhm and the tattered
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remnants of what appeared to be some type of clothing was found and they believed this to be a
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brawl now although initially police believed that the body was too decomposed to be Taylor okay so she's
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missing for just four months by this time and I I say just four months but that's in regards to the remains that
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were found they're saying we don't think that Taylor was gone long enough for this to be her right but dental records
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quickly confirm that the body was that of Taylor Robinson no weapon was found at this scene and we
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should also state that not all of the remains were found this is a 4mon difference from the time of The
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Disappearance to when she's found and we know that scavengers and things like that in the area can compromise this
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scene let's talk about where Taylor was discovered although the remains were within kyoga Valley National Park they
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weren't located in the middle of of miles of dense forest in fact the bones were found in
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what is reported to be the valley picnic area off of Riverview Road in Boston Township they were found you know kind
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of kind of in the woods but not deep back in the woods M this is one of the 23 townships in Summit County located
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between akan and Cleveland only about 1,300 people reside in this town the majority of the land appears to be part
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of that Park the picnic area is on the western side of the portion of Riverview Road that connects
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Everett which is where the everit ranger station is that we pointed out and Peninsula it lies about 1 mile south of
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Route 303 the picnic area is basically a visible patch of open space on Google Maps admidst miles and miles of heavily
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forested land it lies about 150 ft off of Riverview Road accessible by a small access road that appears to be
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unpaved the upshot is that this small picnic area is not somewhere that someone looking to hide a body would
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stumble upon they would almost certainly have to have been there before quote we're not talking about a distance where
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someone gets on on the highway and jumps off end quote this is from akan PD detective Gary Shady he goes on to say
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that this was a pretty long ride the location of her remains was more than 15 miles away from the point where Taylor
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was last seen Taylor's remains were found to the north of this picnic area just off of a hiking trail in what the
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Beacon Journal described as a Thicket of woods the area is sloped and heavily covered with trees and vegetation the
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hikers had stumbled on the bones when they ventured off the trail besides the brawl no other remnants of clothing or
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other items were found according to that newspaper bones were found for several days of searching scattered around a
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wide area and as said Taylor was identified by The Summit County Medical Examiner via dental records on September
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11th her bones were then sent to an anthropologist at Mercy Hurst University in Pennsylvania to try to determine the
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cause of death this means that whatever happened to Taylor was not immediately apparent from her skeletal remains Chief
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ranger Chris Ryan said quote at this point we do not know how the remains ended up to be there whether or not they
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were dropped off there or even if there was a potential homicide there we don't know and indeed captain Daniels andell
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of the acam PD said that on September 12th quote it's too early to rule as a homicide he said the case was being
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investigated as a suspicious death the FBI returned to the picnic area where Taylor was found for several days that
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week continuing to locate bones and additional evidence that spokespeople would not discuss well I want to stop
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you here and just and I don't want to spend too much time on a on a soap box but we've had a couple cases lately of
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these suspicious deaths and you have law enforcement that comes out initially and
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says we don't want to rule at anything we don't want to rule it a homicide we don't want to rule at this and I've been
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seeing that law enforcement and and the detectives have been getting a lot of Kickback for that in these cases that
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been hit hitting the news lately I I think it's just the responsible thing to do like if you don't have the evidence
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to rule it one way or the other why would you come out and and and make those statements to the
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public oh yeah I mean their their whole job is in in determining and labeling things is based off of evidence well and
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their job is to label something or call something not what it is based off of evidence that does not
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exist is incredibly irresponsible and in fact you're you're not doing your job I mean
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right their job is to get it right not you should be reprimanded for doing so right their job is to get it right not
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to get it as quickly as possible yeah they're not the media they're enforcing the laws well the wait hold on the M the
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media's job isn't uh to be as quick as possible their job is to get it right as well we hope so right but it doesn't
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appear that that seems to be their top priority now in January of this year in January Captain the
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garage received an email we received dozens and dozens of emails every week but this one stood out the email was
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from a longtime friend of the show Rachel who works up in Northern Ohio she has worked with someone and they thought
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that they could get some help from True Crime garage the person seeking help was
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a guy named Tim Tim fired off a friendly and informative email introducing himself in his line of work and
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professional background Tim has extensive experience as an investigator Tim asked if we could meet the next time
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he would be in town in our area in Columbus months went by and it came time for our arranged meeting during the
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passing time covid-19 was spreading across the states and the nation and shutting down
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businesses this forced us to call an audible but we were able to keep the meeting this was the first business
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meeting in my lifetime that involved me wearing a mask and gloves and did not involve the usual
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handshake instead we greeted one another with a weird elbow bump and shared a laugh as that is the only real normal
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way to finish off an elbow bump greeting Tim is a gray-haired man who speaks very
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matter of factly he's a straight shooter but chooses his words and polies them carefully Tim knows from his background
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something that gets lost on most of us that words have real meaning and words also have real consequences in his work
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it's the same as ours here at the garage but sometimes on a heightened level there are victims out there that need to
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be considered and respected and there is the Integrity of an investigation and it
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would be rude to the victims and harmful to the investigation to not choose your words carefully Tim
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demov is a private investigator and he is the president of a private security company and former akan Ohio police
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detective I asked him several questions and I was impressed with his knowledge and how motivated he is in helping
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victims he explain that sometimes he is hired by victim's family searching for answers and sometimes he is doing proon
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work now Tim has that little thing inside of him that all of the rest of us have that thing when you see a case in
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the papers or you hear about it on the news and you just can't shake it it sticks with you Tim said sometimes when
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that happens he will actively seek out a case that he can't shake and he and his
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firm SS Consulting will take on a Case his reason for wanting to meet with True Crime garage well he was looking for new
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and interesting ways to get some cases back in the spotlight out to the public the type of cases that the captain and I
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gravitate toward solvable cases that just need a little push they need that tiny missing tidbit of information and
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someone out there has it so we discussed several cases some from down here in Columbus but most of them in the
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Cleveland and akan areas Tim was passionate about the cases he has worked Taylor Robinson's case
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instantly fascinated me with little information I started seeing very easily how this case could be solved if we just
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had that one little piece we elbow bumped again imp parted ways we agreed we would meet again after
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I had some time to review the case Tim told the the garage he will talk Taylor's case anywhere anytime with
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anyone he is that driven and passionate about solving Taylor's case and more importantly getting answers for Taylor's
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family and mother that meeting took place last week armed with questions and Tim armed with a good-sized case File we
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sat down I first wanted to know how and when Tim became involved in Taylor Robinson's case he said he saw
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the case it was all over the news at the time when Taylor first went missing and
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his normal protocol is to sit back let the authorities in the investigating agency
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take the case and if it doesn't seem to go anywhere then a phone call is made fairly early on really just several days
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maybe a week after Taylor went missing Tim ands got involved taking on the case charging Taylor's family just $1 dollar
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to look into Taylor's inexplicable disappearance he and another Pi this is Tom fields of accurate Investigative
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Services looked into the case for a month returning to the house where Taylor had worked the night that she
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disappeared in interviewing several people about Taylor demov then publicly released a criminal profile of the
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person he felt was responsible for taking Taylor he told the media whoever was involved knew Taylor very well and
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likely had a personal relationship with her and the two had a confrontation that
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night demoff believed that this person knew where Taylor was working that evening and was someone she was
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comfortable enough with or at least willing to meet this person outside of the house in her bare feet late at night
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or let this person into the home according to de off's Theory this was not someone who just stopped by and the
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two got into some kind of argument but this was the result of an ongoing issue something that had been brewing for a
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while what happened to Taylor was likely not premeditated but rather precipitated
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by a fit of rage after her killer did not receive the response he wanted from her this person was not
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believed to have committed murder before but he maybe on the edge of uh criminal
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activity as Tim put it Taylor was murdered but it is possible that Taylor's death was an accident as a
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result of this fit of rage adof told the media that through interviews he had learned that Taylor
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had some conflicts going on in her life including with a former boyfriend according to the Beacon
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Journal quote there were also Communications with someone that were so difficult she broke down crying but
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would not confide the source to friends or family I strongly believe there was a
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conflict between that person and her that was taking place before she disappeared I believe that this was a
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culmination of that conflict that this person wanted to confront her Dem off said said further demoth theorized that
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several people this is where we can help Captain several people know what happened to
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goodness right there Captain so let's discuss the cause of death because now we've found the remains but it's not too
00:28:47
hard to figure out with the amount of time that took place between The Disappearance and when they are finding
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the remains that a cause of death is going to be difficulty to determine based off of the level of decomposition
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right and for a while I you know I've seen this reported a few different ways one states that the cause of death
00:29:10
Taylor's cause of death has never been released there is a ABC 5 news story out of Cleveland that reported that the
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Summit County Medical Examiner was not able to determine how Taylor died and often when you're finding remains that
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are just skeletal remains well unless there's obvious damage to those bones or to the skull you're not
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able to determine in fact how the victim did die right but you do know that it's
00:29:39
probably a homicide because well if if we can believe that her gone missing is suspicious and then her remains are
00:29:49
found 15 or so Miles Away out in a place where she didn't end up on her own then
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we were probably looking at a homicide here and that's just how they've been treating this case ever since she's been
00:30:03
found and the sad part of it too is we have her family Carmela Robinson has said publicly she does not want to know
00:30:11
how her daughter was killed now Taylor's mom and stepdad spoke to the public outside of their home on September 11th
00:30:20
after receiving the dreaded confirmation that Taylor had been found Carmela thanked the hikers for having the
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courage to report their Discovery saying quote you brought our baby home Taylor isn't a Lost Child anymore end quote she
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seemed to intimate that Taylor had been taken by someone whose motive was something other than murder quote I just
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don't understand why you felt you had to hurt her Carmela said you could have just given her back you could have just
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brought her home just let her go yeah I wonder what that means well I think it means again she knows more about this
00:31:01
crime than what's been reported and released publicly and so does Tim demoff the private investigator and after
00:31:09
Taylor was found he made some public statements that were interesting he said that he remained committed to solving
00:31:16
the case and quote this would not have been done by a stranger and per Fox 8 news he said we know for a fact in the
00:31:26
weeks leading up to her disappearance she was having disagreements with certain people according to the Beacon
00:31:32
Journal demov said that two people would have been required to move Taylor's Body
00:31:38
and speculated a struggle in the house preceded her death this is intriguing because we've heard nothing in the media
00:31:45
about any kind of altercation or attack in the home even though those were our suspicions and reports were that there
00:31:52
was no forced entry mhm well I mean why are they saying that it take take two individuals to move her I mean she's
00:32:02
53 maybe weighs 150 lb so I I don't understand why they're saying two people would have to be
00:32:12
involved in moving be because she was so far away from uh like the road well that that would be correct
00:32:21
they're not saying that it would be impossible for one person to move her mhm they're just taking a look at the
00:32:26
land cape and a look at at the the route from where she went missing to where her
00:32:33
remains were found and going through the logistics of moving the victim along the
00:32:39
way right yeah you would need two people to do this that's what all probability points to well it makes you curious what
00:32:46
what the motive is I mean again they they got to hold back certain things because that's the way they're going to
00:32:52
get more information and then connect the dots and that's how they can bring a case against somebody but you it makes
00:33:00
you wonder as as a listener well what would two people have to argue with her about and you wonder on some level you
00:33:11
know is this a past relationship you know how how long has she been with the new boyfriend was
00:33:19
there um um separated separation period um was she possibly even pregnant so let's let's really get into this because
00:33:29
there's there's a really good working theory on this case and I believe that it is absolutely
00:33:36
spoton and we are going to be calling up on the public for their help we're going
00:33:41
to be doing that so I want to be clear about something we are not specifically stating that
00:33:47
the most recent ex-boyfriend is the prime suspect okay we are saying that the inex
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boyfriend yeah one of she you know she had several ex-boyfriends she's 19 years old one of her ex-boyfriends is
00:34:06
considered to be the prime suspect and in fact there are two that it has basically been narrowed down to Tim
00:34:13
demoff and his group started with about six suspects that they liked and over the years they've narrowed it down to
00:34:21
two then we have the police they're conducting a separate investigation but it look looks like it looks like both of
00:34:29
these agencies share the same thought well yeah or the evidence is poting into the same direction and I think that's
00:34:37
what we have here so without getting some of the things the specifics I cannot get into I've I've been sworn to
00:34:43
secrecy as they say but there is evidence that says that something happened inside that house whatever
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happened to Taylor took place inside that house mhm what they believe believe is again we have her phone's never been
00:35:00
recovered but they have her phone records and they went through those very very with a detailed investigation MH
00:35:11
fine tooth com there you go and they've confirmed that every person that she was
00:35:16
interacting with via that phone and those phone records were people that she knew we don't have like some weird
00:35:24
random call that night right every interaction leading up to her disappearance was with people that are
00:35:30
known in her circles and that knew Taylor so the working theory is this there there is no motive for murder
00:35:39
there's murder is the motive for hiding the body meaning Somebody went there with no
00:35:46
intention of harming hurting or killing Taylor at all this was a matter that was brewing
00:35:53
for a while and it could not wait any longer this person felt that they needed to confront or discuss this matter with
00:36:02
Taylor in person and right away Taylor knows this person and very likely knew them for a long time so
00:36:10
accepts the hey can I drop by and talk to you she accepts that invitation this person comes by what we
00:36:19
can't figure out here Captain was this person alone or with somebody else right most seem to believe that either this
00:36:27
person was alone or he came with a friend well what I what I mean by alone is somebody could have been waiting out
00:36:35
in the car mhm or this person was completely alone and then called for help and called in the assistance of
00:36:44
somebody else this person entered the home with Taylor they discussed whatever the matter was and I believe I have
00:36:53
reason to believe that Tim and his group know what the matter was but we're not nobody's telling us what the matter is
00:37:00
right and I believe police know what it is as well and so well that that really helps us okay what do you mean it really
00:37:08
helps us well it'd be nice to know what the matter was well I we can't because it it could be jeopardized jeopardized
00:37:17
investigation thank you so the person enters the home willingly was invited into the home by Taylor come
00:37:27
on in take your shoes off whatever they're discussing doesn't go the way of the person that would turn out to be our
00:37:35
killer what the way that they wanted it to go and one of the I think one of the most
00:37:42
interesting kind of breakdowns of of why some murders take place was one that I heard years ago and
00:37:50
I thought it was it was truly I mean it was very simple but it was also very interesting
00:37:57
the person this was a a a son of a a murder victim and they said that you know often that that murder is just a temper
00:38:09
tantrum like when you think of a little kid that doesn't get their way and they just freak out right they're they're
00:38:15
pounding on stomping on the floor pounding on the wall screaming and crying their eyes
00:38:20
outm and you look at the kid and you go what happened oh so and so took away his toy so and so
00:38:29
uh was is putting him in timeout whatever is happening this kid does not want it to happen and so they are
00:38:35
throwing a fit right and murder sometimes unfortunately is just a person that cannot handle a situation does not
00:38:45
know how to deal or cope with normal human being things and throws a temper tantrum murder is in fact the biggest
00:38:54
temper tantrum you could throw or suicide and so here what we have is just that and that seems to be what Tim
00:39:01
believes and what police believe as well as Taylor's family you heard the words of her mother
00:39:08
saying we don't think that you intended to kill her that that there was no motive for murder why didn't you just
00:39:16
give her back why did you have to hurt her so whatever happened whatever disagreement or whatever was going on
00:39:23
between our victim and the killer didn't go the Killer's way the killer reacts the only way he knows how to and that is
00:39:32
to to violently violently attack this woman and then kill her now yeah but hold on it it makes it seem like there's
00:39:42
some kind of attack and that that she was still alive and then that this suspect would have uh taken her with him
00:39:51
and possibly she wasn't dead at the time am I nuts for for saying that's what it
00:39:58
seems like coming from the family coming from the family well why they why couldn't you just give her back you
00:40:05
could have just gave her back that's what I'm saying so that that does that imply that they believe that he took her
00:40:11
no I I believe that they all I think that that's just a a grieving mother speaking talking and talking with her
00:40:21
heart and questioning everything this is truly a senseless act and you there's just no way to to to
00:40:30
handle this to deal with this so there is there's a lot of things that indicate that that she was killed in that home
00:40:40
and then needed to be moved and where our profile goes is one of these two individuals that they've narrowed it
00:40:48
down to has a link to the area where Taylor's body was found the park correct it's a
00:40:57
and the thought being that look when something bad happens when you find yourself in a in a state of panic and in
00:41:03
a situation where you feel like you have to do something to get yourself out of hot
00:41:09
water hot tub you lose the ability to think far and wide you narrow your focus and you very quickly go to what you know
00:41:17
go to a place of comfort and that's what it is believed happen here now so okay so that we got this big National Park
00:41:26
but they believe that this individual is connected to that Park one of the two people that they've narrowed it down to
00:41:34
they don't believe that he's connected to the national park they know they know they know by um witness statements that
00:41:42
this man frequented the park on occasion okay so one thing where my mind goes then a step further with this Captain is
00:41:52
I wonder like if you have people telling invest tigators this individual goes to
00:41:58
this location and may just go there to clear his mind or to relax or escape the the
00:42:07
real world here my mind goes to is he also kind of returning to the dump site to see if they've found her yet or if
00:42:16
things are as he left it I bet he would have so yeah so that's one thing I think
00:42:22
of but the interesting thing here that we need to focus on and where we're going to ask the public for help is that
00:42:29
investigators firmly believe that there are people in the community that know who did this yeah this this this sounds
00:42:37
to me coming from again Tim and the family and then probably law enforcement as well you go there there's too much
00:42:46
little details that they know that they probably shouldn't know that means that there's rumors swirling around the
00:42:52
community right and we also have the belief that at least one person help helped to conceal the body to move her
00:42:59
and conceal the body so there's at least one person that knows yeah and look you
00:43:05
you you thought you're trying to help your friend but this is not how you help your
00:43:10
friend this makes you a criminal this makes you you moving the body with your friend that makes you a bad dude and the
00:43:22
only way to to write that wrong is for you to come forward and say what you did and a lot
00:43:32
of times if if you just were the one to help move the body law enforcement will work out to deal
00:43:40
with you but if you don't come forward they're not going to work out nothing with you and and this guy that you
00:43:48
helped he will turn on you well and the things that I can say when we talk about
00:43:54
having narrowed it down to two suspects our killer is still in that immediate area he still lives there yeah
00:44:03
and he's not married he would have roughly been about Taylor's age when this went down so now we're talking
00:44:11
about somebody who is well seven years later would be in their late 20s yeah this is somebody that cannot cope cannot
00:44:23
handle normal adult situation as seen by his actions on that night back in May of 2013 there's probably
00:44:33
signs of this yes this this person would be to those who know him best he has shown signs of intimidation and violence
00:44:43
towards those that know him best yeah and he will always be capable of doing this again given a situation that he
00:44:54
cannot handle this was a knee-jerk reaction and I guarantee you he's learned very little from that knee-jerk
00:45:00
reaction meaning for anybody out there that could end up in a relationship with this guy at some point or end up married
00:45:12
or the mother of his children you this this type of person needs worked on needs consequences
00:45:22
cannot be raising children cannot be he needs to be cannot be in a relationship with a woman
00:45:30
mhm and that's the scary thing here the other thing too that's really hindered the the
00:45:39
investigation look we got one person that that very likely helped this individual move the
00:45:45
body what we also have is that we have people that are lying for this individual there are family members who
00:45:54
have provided a false Al Alibi for this person yeah and you know what that makes
00:46:00
them just as guilty as him a [ __ ] turd is what that makes them well [ __ ] turd
00:46:07
yeah and the thing is too you you can't look and if people don't come forward and they don't talk fine I hope you all
00:46:13
go down for trying to cover up this individual's actions MH mhm you know come forward I mean this is a young this
00:46:22
was a young beautiful talented smart beautiful girl right and it's just um and look going to
00:46:32
school working multiple jobs for what you know guy can't handle himself couldn't
00:46:40
handle not get in his way so you murder somebody MH that person needs to be locked up I don't
00:46:49
care if that's your family member or not you know pathetic well and even in 20 8 the frustrated family of our victim
00:47:00
spoke to the media and Carmela acknowledged that police had told her that they have
00:47:07
Persons of Interest and know that certain persons had lied to police in their interviews and statements again
00:47:16
that's going back to lock up the false aliis you you ly the police lock you up well late send in the killer clowns late
00:47:24
last year in 2019 an article on Fox 8's website said that authorities uh in regards to authorities police and the
00:47:34
famili family's Pi are seeking fresh leads on Taylor's now Cold Case Summit County Crim Stoppers also
00:47:43
announced a partnership with a group called Silent Angels that's also a group that that Tim is very much involved with
00:47:50
to provide a $7,000 reward for information leading to the arrest and conviction of the person or persons who
00:47:59
are responsible for what happened to Taylor and I want to take that a step forward because that's late of last year
00:48:09
and here we find ourselves in the middle of 20120 and 2020 is well it's been a really sucky
00:48:16
year and yeah well like like I told you yeah like I told you a couple weeks ago the
00:48:24
two smartest people on the planet M left and the thing here is we had all this time where where everything just
00:48:34
went dormant where everything just kind of stopped and I'm so thankful that Tim reached out to you and I to the garage
00:48:42
and wanted to bring Taylor's case back into the spotlight because he was busy doing this in January he was starting to
00:48:51
ramp up this investig not just the investigation but the the the the reaching out to the public for help
00:48:59
back in January and then everything stopped everything shut down and so picking up where they left off in
00:49:05
2019 will not happen until the late summer of 2020 but if you're the person that did this the water's going to get
00:49:15
real hot for you real quick because in the hot tub they're they're going to be putting up Billboards seeking
00:49:22
information in Taylor Robinson's case they're going to increase the reward money for information in Taylor
00:49:29
Robinson's case one our listeners right now are going to be sharing it on social
00:49:32
media that's right so all your friends can see as well so it's it's very interesting and I think I feel good
00:49:40
knowing that there are people like Tim knowing that there are good folks in the uh detectives at the ACM PD that are
00:49:49
passionate about this case and they're not going to just let it remain cold well this is very Sol if somebody comes
00:49:56
forward and does the right thing and the Robinson family is to be commended for their activism in keeping Taylor's case
00:50:03
in the public eye they received significant support from the mayor and other community leaders and the local
00:50:10
media that kept Taylor story front and center Taylor's stepfather who never tired of his efforts to find Taylor lost
00:50:19
his own 17-year-old son in a shooting in 2006 hopefully he and Carmela will eventually see the killer of Taylor
00:50:27
brought to Justice Carmela has said of her beloved daughter quote she wasn't a child who deserved to have her body end
00:50:36
up in a park end quote no one's daughter is but Taylor seemed particularly undeserving of her
00:50:44
[Music] fate [Music] all right Colonel do we have any recommended reading for this week
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Captain we do it's time to recommend a novel Because unless you're as crazy as I am then too much True Crime is not the
00:51:16
Escape you are maybe needing right now well here's a good one I just started reading this one and I'm locked in it's
00:51:23
a novel by Kaye white titled the monsters we make it just came out last week it's a fictional story based off of
00:51:32
the 1980s De Moine Register paper boy kidnappings that's the monsters we make find that title and many more on our
00:51:41
recommended page at truecrime garage.com all right so this Loosely base maybe ties in some of the Johnny
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gosh stuff there you go very interesting everybody tough times hang in there be good be kind and don't
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