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true [Music] [Music] crime [Music] the year is 1964 and in the United States of America
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president Lyndon B Johnson declares war on poverty the Warren Commission reports
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their findings stating that Lee Harvey Oswald was the lone gunman Cashes Clay defeats Sunny Lon to become the
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heavyweight boxing champion of the world the Civil Rights Act of 1964 is signed Dr Martin Luther King wins the Nobel
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Peace Prize the first Ford Mustang hits the streets and amongst the popular films is
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the unforgettable Mary Poppins the rock band The Rolling Stones released their debut record self-titled The Rolling
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[Music] Stones The Beatles make an appearance on The Ed solivan Show and they have 13 singles in
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the top 100 a little more than 75 years after Jack the Ripper in the UK they abolished
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the death penalty in the Streets of London there were a string of murders that quickly became known as the London
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nude murders the suspect became known as Jack the stripper in Scotland yard was about to unleash one of the largest manh
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hunts London would ever see and unfortunately there would be victim after victim how many total well just
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like Jack the Ripper the victim count is Up For Debate this is true crime garage and
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this is the case of the London nude [Music] murders [Music] okay almost everybody knows the story or
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at least has heard of Jack the Ripper and of course no one really knows who Jack the Ripper was mhm uh but few have
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heard of the killer that became known as Jack the stripper uh we're talking about
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the London nude murders you might know of the name Jack the stripper it's a there's a rock band called Jack the
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stripper and there was also a rock song by Black Sabbath which was an instrumental tune called Jack the
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stripper and that's why on our intro when I introduced the captain there I said Fairies Wear Boots that's because
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on the album paranoid uh the they pair those songs together it's Jack the stripper SL Fairies Wear Boots which was
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one of my favorite Black Sabbath songs so um but just like Jack the I'm sorry just like Jack senior Jack the
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Ripper Jack the stripper too is an unknown serial killer Jack the Ripper is not just a clever name Jack named
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himself in taunting letters to the police and to the public and some have argued are those from the actual killer
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and others would suggest that they are simply a hoax for some sicko or from someone or someone wishing to increase
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newspaper sales but Jack the Ripper uh he didn't just kill he ripped he would rip his victims apart meaning he would
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cut the victims sometimes a lot slitting the throat cutting into the abdomen uh and actually removing body parts you
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know uterus liver the tip of one's nose or clipping the ears now Jack the stripper he did not cut his victims he
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strangled them and he did not rip them or remove any body parts he left his strangled victims nuded or pretty much
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fully exposed this of course leading to the name of the unknown perpetrator but the crimes in remain unsolved and it's
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unsolved murders of seven of London's working girls go ahead so let's go back a little bit I mean so the stripper part
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makes sense but using Jack the stripper is just because of the area that these crimes took place in MH yep and uh they
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would also be called the London nude murders as well as the Hammer Smith murders our story starts at 1964 London
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England um now earlier I did say seven victims but as you will see when we go through this that there is some debate
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regarding the actual number of victims here yeah it seems like the consensus is that there's six confirmed victims and
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possibly another two maybe even more but so when you see this uh normally if you're looking up this case you'll see
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six confirmed possibly eight during the years of 1964 and 1965 six women are found dead in or around the river tames
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the first victim that we're going to talk about is Hannah tailord uh she was 30 years old at the time of her death
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Hannah was excluded from several schools when she was a young girl uh as she was
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pretty disruptive at school when she was a teenager she ran away to the big big city of London uh it was not long after
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her arrival that she started getting into more trouble she was convicted a a couple of times of for
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soliciting now apparently she was quite desperate or just a terrible person because on one occasion she placed a
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classified ad in a local paper offering to sell her unborn baby to the highest bidder uh it has also been reported that
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Hannah had told some friends she was being paid to participate in bizarre orgies hosted by some of the more
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well-to-do londoners she was known to have been offered money to have sex on camera and
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it's speculated that she in some she was in some stag films Hannah also told a friend she had attended an orgy at the
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home of a French diplomat named Andre now on one occasion after having been paid she was taken by a limousine to a
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house where a man in a gorilla costume had sex with her while a crowd of rich and wealthy onlookers cheered um that's
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a definitely strange yeah that's you know usually when I throw a party I turn on a football game and put out some guac
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and uh you know but no gorilla suit I normally have the gorilla suit but just not all the other stuff cuz gorilla
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suits are fun we mentioned these things to show what kinds of ties she may have had and what kind of suspect pool the
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police could have been dealing with because on February 2nd 1964 her the body of 30-year-old Hannah
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tailord was found by rowers on the tames shore near Hammersmith Bridge mhm she was naked except for a pair of stockings
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and she had been strangled several of her teeth were missing and her underwear had been stuffed in her mouth during the
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investigation police interviewed hundreds of people who they knew to have had dealings with prostitutes including
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an international soccer player and several members of the clergy two months later this was April 8th Irene
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Lockwood who was only 26 years of age was found a few hundred yards Upstream in the river tames now so that she's
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found very close to the first victim that we just discussed Hannah tailord MH they were able to determine that Irene
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had been in the water for less than 48 hours and like Hannah she had been strangled with a leature possibly a
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piece of her own clothing she had been stripped before being placed in the water like Hannah the police had some
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strange leads to to follow things she may have known or things that she may have done could have played a big part
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in her murder only about a year before the young woman was found dead one of her friends had been found beaten to
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death this is Vicky Pender and her body was found in her North London flat Vicki
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had tried to Blackmail some of her clients over photos she had taken of them and I guess Irene Lockwood had some
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of her own tricks Irene would take clients to a flat and she would insist that the man remove his pants and then
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leave them outside of the room before entering to have sex when he would go into the room someone would go through
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the man's pockets and steal any money or valuables that were found another trick
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that she did this was very much like that from the Seinfeld episode where George met a woman and then they went to
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a hotel room and she handcuffed him to the bed and robbed him well Irene she would uh agree to go to a private room
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room with a man and she would tie him up and then she would Rob him sometimes taking his clothes police suspected that
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these two murders may have been connected to two previous murders these are the deaths of Elizabeth fig also
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known as an Phillips Elizabeth's body was found in the early morning hours by officers on their regular beat on June
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17th 1959 she was kind of sitting up she was like slumped against a tree and her
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dress was torn open exposing her body as well as you know easily visible scratches around her throat right she
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had been strangled I guess her boyfriend in the beginning was she he was a suspect early on her boyfriend was a
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boxer and was Elizabeth's pimp as well he was known to have slapped Elizabeth around but for some reason he was ruled
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out fairly quickly into the investigation the other murder that was that of 22-year-old Gwyneth Reese Reese
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was found about a mile from Elizabeth's body on the riverbank now gwyneth's body
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was found November 8th 1963 but the weird thing here she was last seen almost 6 months before so she's last
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seen getting so she was missing for roughly six months yeah she I'm sorry six weeks before I apologize but yeah no
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one had seen her in 6 weeks and then she turns up on the shore still a long time
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I mean 6 months would be obviously a lot longer but 6 weeks for no to see you um
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again as far as this profession goes um you're working mostly at night so I I would assume that there'd be weeks at of
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the time where that your normal crowded people would not see you exactly and this is only when she's reported to have
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been last scene who knows um but she's last seen getting into a car with a man uh this is way back in September of that
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year uh this is at the end of September of 63 police suspected strangulation to be the cause of her death but this was
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never 100% determined to be the cause of death mhm and this is why it should be one of the one of the victims that they
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don't confirm as one of the victims at uh of Jack the stripper yeah Elizabeth Elizabeth fig uh murdered in 1959 and
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Gwyneth ree murdered in 1963 some debate that they are part of Jack the stripper's case and other very similar
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very similar and then it looks to me with all these cases so far it looks girls that have uh some sort of
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desperation and then seems like a either one man or a group of males that have power that have money and uh like to
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also hum humiliate not just have sex with but to do almost like I'm rich and I'm powerful let me take this to the
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extreme or just I'm in control of this situation uh so Gwyneth re just like the other girls uh again it wasn't 100%
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determined that she was strangled but strangulation was suspected uh she was found naked and she was missing some
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teeth like in Elizabeth's case gwyneth's pimp now he is not not believed to have
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been her actual boyfriend uh but her pimp was suspected this is Cornelius Whitehead and he was a violent criminal
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with Gangster ties right he was suspected of being violent with women as well we don't know sometimes You' see
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this as a way to teach the other women that are working for him like don't get out of line right he's he's running his
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little you know criminal business and this is how criminals behave well yeah and you're messing it up so you mess up
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uh you'll end up dead and this is a warning to all the other girls that that instills fear and then they they're
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never going to leave I couldn't find any record of him actually having been violent
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with her with gwynth um but we do know that she did say uh that she intended to leave him I guessing you know not work
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for uh Cornelius Whitehead anymore uh but shortly this happened just shortly before she disappeared and he was
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reporting looking for her uh after she had disappeared MH another possible he's looking for his paycheck well another
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possible lead here too was the abortion angle abortions were still El Al in the UK at this time but much like we had
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discussed in the Black Dalia case you could find someone an an illegal abortionist uh to carry out these things
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and Gwyneth had already had she already had two children neither were living with her and relying on her for Care at
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the time which is probably a very good thing surprise surprise and uh but she had some illegal procedures before the
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summer before her disappearance Gwyneth had become pregnant and after her disappearance some other prostitutes had
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said that she had been looking to contact an illegal abortionist well and also at this time it's
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1964 birth control is probably a lot harder to get and probably more expensive and I don't know what forms
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exactly what forms they would have had so it's probably limited as well uh but right now Captain what we're seeing here
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is a couple things okay so we got two cases that the police are saying are very much connected we have two that
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they suspect could be part of this whole thing uh but what we can see by the lifestyles
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that these four women have led and the people that they have known and furthermore things that they had done to
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other people I mean a couple of these girls had you know robbed people and uh you know done a couple things to
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humiliate their customers or blackmail people uh so we're already starting to see too many suspects you know we have
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four dead women all working the Streets of London and we can immediately see an issue with the investigation of each of
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these cases yeah but when you overstep your B boundaries I mean when these uh clients are paying for kind of obscene
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almost degrading types of actions you know it's you know it's one thing to go have sex in a room it's another thing to
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go hey well this guy's going to put on a monkey suit and we're going to have um a
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crowd sharing it on now look if you're into that thing that's that's on you but I could see um being treated like this
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being treated even less than that you expect to be treated that hey I'm going to pay you back you know like you think
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you got one on over on me well I've been stealing stuff from you or taking pictures that I shouldn't have been
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taking and uh I'm going to get mine yeah and the the first off the obvious is the
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high-risk lifestyle of the profession and you know that leads to this large suspect pole and we're not talking about
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just an investigation into the deaths of all four of these women whether they're
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connected or not we could be talking about them even in an individual case we could have a large suspect pool now
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victim similarities there are a bunch of similarities here so far all four women
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were 5'2 or less so they're shorter women all four had suffered an STD several of them had several missing
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teeth now that may not be part of the actual crime this could this could just be the the part of the life style yeah
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which is totally just simply point out how poor they were or unable to afford certain products or personal hygiene
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products one of this is also the time where they wouldn't they wouldn't do implants or do crowns and stuff like
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that they would just yank the tooth MH and three of the four women were pregnant and at least two of the
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pregnant women were trying to cancel the pregnancy Irene had been taking pills to
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achieve this and she believed that they were working because she said that the the pills had made her tummy move move
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oh that's horrible so police were pretty convinced that they are dealing with the
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work of one killer who has gone out on four separate occasions and murdered a woman and stripping and dumping the
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bodies in or around the river mhm keep one thing in mind though here uh he may have been forcing the women to strip
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before strangling them or he could have been stripping them of their clothing afterward now police would suspect that
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he's stripping them afterwards because yeah a postm they they are familiar with the
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prostitutes in the area and they say that the working girls in the area are mostly using vehicles to spend their
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time with the Johns and most of them would not strip at all or they would not need to strip all the way for for the
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act right uh they were hike up the skirt yeah they you know they could just remove whatever necessary clothing they
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could or or lift something up or pull something down oh by the way if uh your kids should not be listening to this
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children anyways but one thing they have figured out and one thing that they suspect is that they don't seem to see
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this killer as some kind of crazy maniac uh he doesn't seem to be out of control
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uh there are not really any known sightings of the killer having been with the women right before their death or
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the last time that they are seen But the killer seems to be in control of himself
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do you think it's uh the manner in which they're found do you think it's almost like planned if we
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do if if the body is found like this a b c and d that the police will assume that
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it's a mad man I think that it would show I think what they're talking about here is that each victim seems to show
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almost identical an identical form of attack um where he is not you know it's not a it's not a stabbing one one time
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it's not a strangulation one time somebody's not Beat to Death it's it's seems to be the same attack over and
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over again where he's really he's really just it's an ends to a means almost like
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you know or means to an end I'm sorry where he it's just part of what he's doing right so this is how I kill
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somebody I I follow this plan and he's getting better at the plan as he goes along and what they mean by this too is
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that he would be very messy if he were a maniac you know if if he was out of control out of his mind obviously this
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guy's a sicko but if he was not in control of himself he probably would have been seen disposing of the bodies
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or seen with the women the last time they were seen yeah I know that but I'm just saying I wonder if the person that
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is committing these crimes going oh I'm going to rip up their clothes and do some things pop possibly postmortem is
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is that for a motive to throw the cops off for some reason this is what yeah and that's one thing that I had wondered
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about as well and a good thing to bring up you know was he removing the clothing
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just to destroy you know just so that there's less evidence or was it just something that
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he needed to do again the police wanted to figure out was he forcing them to strip in advance or was this something
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he was doing afterwards and so now we're at four possible victims of the total uh
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break cheers my friends cheers let's talk about some of the additional police efforts involved in the investigation in
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the London nude murders so police are going to start strategizing which is what you have to do right you have to
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figure out how are we going to find this guy how do we find the criminal no duh we have seen some patterns and some
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repeated behaviors and tendencies of the person that you're are hunting so what do you do you're going to try to use
00:27:48
those repeated behaviors and tendencies to track him down and apprehend him or if you can't track him down you must lay
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a trap and try to lure him Out of the Shadows right and you know so little where a victim was last seen or who was
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with that person you know so it's going to be hard to track this down this guy down so Captain let's start setting some
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traps right the police hire additional officers they increase their police force and the new officers are brought
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in with one simple purpose they are to watch and Patrol the river we can't stop him from killing again but
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maybe what we can do is we can limit this to only one more victim right well and they could also deter him from if
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you know he's probably patrolling the area himself and so you start seeing more cops beefing up security you know
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uh and and then you start thinking well is this the best place to to leave my next victim mhm and but if he does
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continue to do what he does he should be returning to the River's Edge Ed with another body soon and if you're
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patrolling and watching the river maybe you can catch him with a body in his arms yeah or if these girls are you know
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walking the street or maybe they even walk this river that maybe they'll see somebody leave with one of the the
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victims mhm well just as much as the police can set their trap in the in the killer again he seems much in control of
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himself and somewhat in control of this case they zigged and now the Killer is going to zag he dumps his next victim he
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dumps the next body of his fifth victim in an Alleyway this is away from the river April 24th 1964 this is only about
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2 weeks after the finding of the fourth dead woman Irene Lockwood so on April 24th Helen bartholomy she's only 20
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years old uh she was found dumped in an Alleyway which is a little younger than the other victims mhm she was nuded and
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signs of strangulation or exix iation were present Helen was a short Street worker who had suffered an STD again we
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see the same pattern and she but again it's 1964 so there's less um options for pregnancies and and and Contra
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contraceptives but there is also probably less Health Care as far as uh sexually transmitted diseases go as well
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MH and Helen she was known to have frequented or worked some of same areas including some pubs underground clubs
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and drinking dens as some of the other girls police find some forensics at this crime scene though they find microscopic
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specs of a different of different colored paints on Helen's skin analysis of the paint
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reveals that it was identical to paint used in an automatic paint spray uh when they spray paint into cars or onto
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furniture or any type of metal work it's identical to that kind of paint so police have their first lead and now
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they will employ a call to action this was unusual especially for the time Scotland Yard made a public appeal for
00:31:10
prostitutes to come forward and they were promised absolute secrecy and of course they were reminded too that this
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was in the prostitutes best interest as they may be the only source of information that the police could have
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right also that are being targeted they're also in the most danger of being hunted by this monster yeah he he's not
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at this point he's not hunting anybody that doesn't work in that industry there the police statement saying uh police
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are fearful if information is not forthcoming by other prostitutes that other prostitutes will be killed they
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were particularly interested in interviewing anyone that had been made to strip and then was assaulted
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afterwards right within the first two days uh their efforts they they see some reward for their efforts they have over
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40 female prostitutes come forward and over 20 men came forward to speak with police so the response was good they
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also start logging the plate numbers of cars that they see out after dark M they
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also have female officers walking the streets they are disguised as prostitutes some of them armed with tape
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recorders you know so if they get into a situation they can they can record anything that go
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which is interesting for 1964 and the prostitutes were arming themselves as well you know they they
00:32:34
were carrying knives or some kind of weapon when they would go out for the night and if if I were a prostitute I
00:32:38
would just arm myself regardless of what's going on but that's that's just me uh July 14th the body of Mary Fleming
00:32:45
is found in a sitting type position at the entrance of a garage this is in an area that is now being heavily patrolled
00:32:54
by the officers this seems like something he would have only done as a necessity to me or he's trying to taunt
00:33:02
the police which they they believe that at the time that you know we're we're watching this area and he just puts one
00:33:08
in our backyard but they well yeah I believe that too because like like we were talking about they beef up Security on
00:33:16
the river so now the guy's gone well I can't dump him here so then he dumps in the alleyway that's fine he chances are
00:33:24
he has his body it's in the car he goes down to the river and he sees Patrol men
00:33:29
and he's like oh [ __ ] takes her in the car drives somewhere else dumps her there now he's on the lookout for more
00:33:36
security and as he sees more police officers patroling the area and I'm sure he has some knowledge of what's going on
00:33:43
because he's hearing from other prostitutes he's probably hearing from other Johns he's he's hearing from all
00:33:48
these people what's going on and he's listening to the news yeah and the news is is the big thing at the time and so
00:33:55
now yeah it's it's it's a toal move of I'm going to put it right in your back pocket and you can't stop me yeah yeah
00:34:03
it's definitely a taunt but the police they will get lucky again here because Mary's body contained the same paint
00:34:09
evidence that was discovered uh earlier you know this this evidence is on her body yeah is but now are we assuming
00:34:17
like you said this is some kind of spray paint which um so maybe automobile worker or Furniture worker or something
00:34:27
of that nature so we think it's a laborer yeah and this is pretty much confirming their suspicions that they
00:34:34
got what they believe to being you know they were believing all along that these
00:34:39
cases or most of them are in fact linked right yeah I I don't like the fact that
00:34:44
they dismissed the two but uh we we'll continue down the path now on October 23rd 1964 two prostitutes had been
00:34:54
working together for their own safety they were going on these things together uh they were approached by two cars each
00:35:02
with a driver uh this is where the two of them split up each of them going in one of the vehicles Kim Taylor reported
00:35:11
to the police that her friend Francis Brown got into either a Ford Zephyr or zodiac and she had not been seen since
00:35:20
she had not seen her friend since she got in that car weird coincidence with the Zodiac so but now here's what we're
00:35:27
starting to see we're starting to see things loosen up and work more towards the police fa favor because we've
00:35:34
already said hey we've made this call out to the people working the streets and said you know you're sworn to
00:35:39
secrecy we'll keep your information you're not going to get in any trouble by coming forward this is the only way
00:35:45
that they have a chance at catching this guy well and then the obvious chance is
00:35:50
him just completely messing up but this guy seems like somebody that's in control so now they have the paint
00:35:55
evidence and now now they believe they have what could be a description of a vehicle the body of Francis Brown she
00:36:03
was the girl that went with the with the other car in the Ford Zephyr or zodiac now you said there was a driver so
00:36:09
there's a driver of each car correct like I just wanted I wanted it to be clear that it wasn't two guys pulling up
00:36:15
in one car it was uh two two separate vehicles pulled up to talk to both of the girls not like a professional driver
00:36:22
correct it one person right there's one person in the car okay EX exactly the body of Francis Brown the girl that went
00:36:29
in the car in the the Ford Zephyr or zodiac she was found one month later on November 25th she is found on a side
00:36:38
street again a this victim is a short prostitute an STD carrier and paint spots are again found on her body now
00:36:47
Taylor her friend Kim Taylor tries to provide a description of the man to police they use what's called an identic
00:36:55
uh to put together a description of a round-faced man of medium height and a sturdy build um this description doesn't
00:37:03
provide them anything other than they're able to release this General description
00:37:08
to the public yeah they don't do a composite sketch at this time no this the I think the way that the identic
00:37:16
works is that they show you like a shape of some eyes and they say does this look
00:37:20
like his eyes and you say yes yes you know yes or no and then they put those down then they show you a shape of a
00:37:26
nose and you go through there and then at the end they put them all together and this
00:37:30
is what your guy looks like or somewhat well the sketch of this guy if you seen it or you know the the probably the most
00:37:36
popular sketch of Jack the stripper he kind of looks like uh like a little more handsome version of of The Goonies of
00:37:46
the the the crazy guy from The Goonies yeah uh sloth okay yeah with a little more hair too yeah he has yeah he
00:37:54
definitely has hair but that's what I'll post that on Instagram stagram if anybody wants check it out okay so what
00:37:59
do we have on this guy so far we have a general description of his appearance we
00:38:03
have a vehicle which was the Ford Zephyr or zodiac uh we can also surmise that he
00:38:09
is probably dumping the bodies in the early morning hours here's the problem with this whole Theory though is she was
00:38:16
gone for a month and a half so this is just the last known sighting we right I mean she could have actually went
00:38:24
missing two weeks after this but it sounds to me like this Kim Taylor was friends with Francis Brown if they had
00:38:30
already made plans that they're going to go out and work together you know one would assume that Kim Taylor was
00:38:36
probably going to go out and work another night and she would look for her friend to go out with her right so she
00:38:41
would see her before the the month and a half exactly and she's come forward I agree with you she's come forward to
00:38:46
police before her friend's body's even found again though let's go back to U the thinking that we're on here right
00:38:55
that that we might be able to figure out that he's probably dumping the bodies in
00:38:59
the early morning hours and this holds a little bit of weight here Captain because when Mary Fleming's body was
00:39:06
found right several of the people that lived in near in the nearby area had reported hearing a car reversing down
00:39:14
the street just minutes before the body was found the body was found by a chauffeur driver at about 5 a.m. yeah
00:39:22
and what's interesting here is I mean yeah it's 2016 so so not used to this lifestyle
00:39:28
what we're used to is 24 hours a day everything's open you can go get Taco Bell at Taco Bell at what 12:00 on a
00:39:36
weekday sometimes later fourth meal fourth yeah and so this is 1964 this is 1964 and
00:39:45
1965 this is back in the day where once it was dinner time once the street lights came on the the activities
00:39:52
normally died down more now this is London so this is you know their version of like New York City city that never
00:40:00
sleeps but it still was like that you know people had to work the next day people would shut down earlier so you're
00:40:07
looking at a window from like you know 900 p.m. to the following day about 6: a.m. where everything becomes very very
00:40:16
calm and so if you hear a car at 2:00 3:00 in the morning you're going to remember it you're going to take notice
00:40:23
of this yeah and I hope you know what I hope that the chauffeur driver was fully
00:40:28
vetted and figured out whether he had any kind of involvement at all um but that's a whole another story now the
00:40:34
other thing going on here is they noticed that after this killer heated up the last few murders that he had
00:40:41
committed they were no longer than 3 months apart so by January of 1965 the police were really thinking that we are
00:40:49
going to find another body any day now well something may have thrown the killer off of his game because
00:40:57
this time it was almost 4 months you know we we see a little bit of a a waiting period here it wasn't until
00:41:03
February 16th of 1965 that the naked body of 28-year-old bridey oare was found behind a storage shed this is just
00:41:13
less than a mile from where they found the last victim Mary Fleming had been found and of course she is found again
00:41:20
with the same paint specs on her so if you can't find your killer you need to find where the paint is located or
00:41:28
coming from right yeah they had been searching for the paint location for months in fact they had searched over a
00:41:36
24 square mile for the origin of the paint it was after the discovery of Brio hair's body that they were able to find
00:41:45
a matching paint s sample this was beneath a covered Transformer and they find this very near where Bri's body was
00:41:54
found so this Transformer is near well it's opposite a paint spray shop that is located here in Estates they also figure
00:42:03
out that briy had been mummified and this would have taken a heat source to occur so again the Transformer here it
00:42:10
meets all of this ceria right puts some heat yeah the Transformer would have heated up the body so someone was
00:42:18
keeping Bri's body there and had done so for some time and probably the other bodies as well and they find a paint
00:42:27
sample not this paint you know this paint could have got there any number of ways right right but I'm wondering if if
00:42:35
this wasn't simply downwind you know if the Transformer was just downwind of the
00:42:40
of the paint shop uh where specs or flexs of the paint would would travel and get airborne and I wonder if they
00:42:47
just got airborne and traveled a short distance to the Transformer and did the killer even know that the paint was on
00:42:53
the bodies until he you know heard from police yeah and the thing is is this again this is the 60s so we don't have
00:43:01
all these ventilation systems and and all these things to catch all these particles with inside a warehouse so
00:43:07
it'd be more likely that you know cars parked outside this building would have paint specs on it um people possibly
00:43:15
even walking by would get paint specks on them so so we got a couple things to consider here are are the paint specs
00:43:23
getting onto the bodies because they're stored near the paint shop and and it's just getting airborne and carrying down
00:43:29
wind on them or is the killer bringing those paint samples to the body uh that he's in that paint shop and bringing
00:43:38
them there when he visits the body or goes to dump the body yeah or depending on how he paints I mean maybe he doesn't
00:43:44
use gloves so he constantly has paint on his hands then there would be a transfer
00:43:49
process there so these are considered to be the sixth or eight murders that are involved in this case depending on who
00:43:56
you talk to some say that all eight were involved some say that three or four were involved only the ones with the
00:44:02
paint were involved to me they just seem very connected you know it seems like the motive motive was the same they're
00:44:09
they're found in similar locations the strangulation is pretty much the same and if there's any differences between
00:44:17
the the eight they're very small and so it's not like oh we got two that don't make any sense and then these other six
00:44:24
make complete sense together cuz the you know towards the end they're not being dumped by the river now you could say
00:44:32
well that's because security beefed up but again that is something that is different in every uh victim story yeah
00:44:39
and sometimes with these killers they either get lazy or they get complacent you know they feel like oh well I've
00:44:45
done this before I haven't got caught I don't need to go to all these extreme lengths to not get caught you know throw
00:44:52
the body in the river or carry it all the way to the river um I just put it right here you know um because I can
00:44:59
because I've gotten away with it before they're not going to catch me now I think it's more likely that he knew the
00:45:04
cops were patrolling heavier and they beefed up security and and he had to find a different option and one thing
00:45:10
that we alluded to earlier which which you will see if if you study these uh serial killers especially the ones that
00:45:18
are involved in uh taking of prostitutes and and getting high numbers of kills they're very involved in watching the
00:45:26
news listening to the news reading all the newspaper articles about their case because they're they're playing a game
00:45:33
you know they're they're trying to to not get caught to do what they want to do yeah it's the extra bonus on top of
00:45:39
what they're doing yeah their plan is to kill these people for for whatever reason whatever their motive is on top
00:45:44
of that all now this has become big news I also think a lot of these people I think if you look through history of a
00:45:51
lot of these serial killers a lot of them are loners MH and so the fact that they're getting attention even though
00:45:57
it's uh for a negative reason they kind of get off on the attention you're exactly right the attention they get off
00:46:03
on that but they also get off on thinking they're smarter than the people investigating them they also get off on
00:46:08
the fact of well I know something that nobody else knows look at all these people that are interested in this thing
00:46:14
look at all these people that are trying to figure out who I am and what I'm doing well and that some of that is the
00:46:22
society's fault because we've done this thing where a serial killer um you know has a high kill count and then we start
00:46:30
saying words as genius or Mastermind it's really like well it's it's it's definitely a lack of intelligence that
00:46:37
you're going to kill somebody like just that uh idea in general I think would be
00:46:43
a lack of intelligence and then you look at situations like Silence of the Lambs
00:46:47
or something where then we even you know now we got this guy that's extreme genius and all by the way he was a
00:46:55
killer right right and actually that movie I even though it's one of my favorite movies the bad thing about that
00:47:00
is when you talk to a lay person that doesn't really know much about true crime or know much about serial killers
00:47:07
they seem to think that it requires a high level of intelligence to be somebody like that and to get away with
00:47:13
it for so long when actually when you study it for a very long time you will figure out that most of the killers are
00:47:19
of average intelligence some of them are above average some of them are below uh
00:47:23
it does doesn't really hold true don't have to be of superior intelligence to get away with this stuff sometimes it's
00:47:30
just luck um and sometimes it's just you know people people most of the people are good right so when when somebody's
00:47:39
just not the SE Killers right but when somebody's doing some horrible stuff we just we don't assume the bad usually we
00:47:46
assume the good so we do become a little bit blind to some of the things that are
00:47:51
going on around us because of that because you know there's only a small population than God God that are that
00:47:56
are bad evil people so speaking of bad evil people let's talk about some of the suspects in this case right so earlier
00:48:04
on we had saw a couple of the boyfriends or pimps were suspected of those murders
00:48:09
of course um do you think they were called pimps in 1964 that something that came later in
00:48:17
the 70s uh not only that I actually think that because it was uh England that they were probably called something
00:48:23
different uh I think they were called pounces or P I read the word and it didn't really it didn't really didn't
00:48:30
register it didn't register well any of our London listeners just uh send us a message tell us what the technical term
00:48:37
is over in London uh they might use pimp now but I pimp is pretty Universal now right uh but anyway so we had seen a
00:48:46
couple of the boyfriends in some of the pimps uh that were that were uh potential suspects and they were for
00:48:53
whatever reason once they were only considered when their case was an individual murder case right and once
00:49:01
the police figured out and started connecting these things and now we have a string of unsolved murders a lot of
00:49:07
these boyfriends or pimps were no longer considered right because there it would
00:49:12
make no sense and there would be no zero connection with the pimp to these other
00:49:16
prostitutes yeah other than the fact that they are pimps and so they are in the industry mhm and but other than that
00:49:23
there were however a few more in suspects uh so in the case of Irene Lockwood police had found a business
00:49:31
card for a man that was simply named Kenny on the business card accompanied by a phone number and we'll give out
00:49:37
that phone number right now no we we don't have that phone number it's 444 yeah 44 44 well of course the phone
00:49:44
number makes sense uh makes it very easy to find this Kenny character whether that's his real name or if it's a
00:49:52
nickname but when they do track down the man it lead leads them to a former Soldier and his name is guess what
00:49:58
Kenneth archal okay so we are cooking with gas right he at first denies having ever
00:50:08
known uh the victim Irene Lockwood and he says that uh the only way that she would have got his card his name his
00:50:16
number uh they found this in Irene's apartment right yeah he says that she would have had to have got this from a
00:50:23
third party that she received it from somebody else which is very possible CU you have somebody that what you know
00:50:29
some services that maybe he can offer and somebody says oh you call my buddy K Canon and here's his number and
00:50:37
but then here's the thing later he's brought in again he's brought in again at a later date for questioning and this
00:50:43
time they get an entirely different response all right he kind of freaks out on them and he shouts out I killed her
00:50:50
I've got to tell somebody about it what yeah I've killed her and I've got to to tell somebody all right lock him up lock
00:50:57
him up I mean even if he didn't kill her if he felt the need to scream this then
00:51:01
just lock him up well he says that the two of them had argued about money and that he had must have lost his temper
00:51:08
and strangled her he said that uh he must have see it seems like he's assuming he blacked out yeah I think uh
00:51:16
Kenny's got quite the drinking problem um and so it sounds like he's a little unsure of what he's done uh but he did
00:51:24
say that he took off Irene's clothes and he put her in the river and he said that
00:51:29
he took the clothes home and he burned them uh this sounds promising right right we got we got a guy here yeah
00:51:37
where's the validity there's probably some questioning as far as the validity to his story so what happens is he does
00:51:44
go on trial and when he goes on trial he retracts his confession a surprise surprise and this of course screws
00:51:51
everything up because they have no evidence on him other than the confession now Kenneth archal is a
00:51:58
57-year-old former Soldier and once they lose the confession well they lose the case and they also did state that and
00:52:07
they didn't State exactly what it was but they did state that they found some inconsistencies in his confession anyway
00:52:14
yeah and I think part of this could be one the drinking problem and then possible uh PTSD as far as being a
00:52:22
soldier is concerned um we you know a lot of people are asking us what what the what the deal is with false
00:52:29
confessions and I don't think there is a real answer I think some people get pressured and they just don't know what
00:52:35
to say um I I don't have a Rhyme or Reason uh that seems to come up over and over it seems like there's varying
00:52:44
different reasons but more or less it's the pressure that they're being put under I you know I spoke to a detective
00:52:51
about that one time and he told me that he you know he didn't have the ability ility to do it himself but he said that
00:52:57
he knew of a detective that that that he swore that if you spent a certain amount
00:53:02
of time in a room with this detective in in interrogation and uh and you got nervous enough he could probably
00:53:10
convince you that you had done something that you didn't do right and I don't know the psychology behind that but that
00:53:16
you know that's that's what he said that's a nice little power to have yeah it's like Jedi mind trick right uh now
00:53:23
again I couldn't find out exactly why the police ruled him out but again there were inconsistencies in the confession
00:53:29
they lose the confession they lose the case and it does sound like from the things that I've read that police were
00:53:35
starting to doubt Kenny's confession before he even retracted it well good good on them for doubting it cuz we've
00:53:42
seen in case after case where you get a false confession and the cops never let go of that mhm and then they constantly
00:53:49
go back to those we got this confession well the confession doesn't make any sense at one and then two when they
00:53:56
confess again there's no logic between confession number one and number two and they just never let it go and that
00:54:02
really hinders finding the truth yeah well the thing here too is you know it could be something as simple as he got
00:54:08
some dates wrong right maybe he says well I killed her on this night or I killed her on this morning and she's
00:54:14
actually been seen walking around on that time or after that time right um and the other thing we got to keep in
00:54:21
mind too is he's admitting to one of the deaths right yeah we have eight total and the police are pretty certain that
00:54:29
they are dealing with a Serial offender so and the other thing too with Kenneth's confession that that kind of
00:54:35
throws a wrench in the whole thing is there was another girl that was found dead this girl was found dead you know
00:54:42
right around the time he's confessing to it uh this was Helen bth bolamy uh we had talked about her earlier uh she was
00:54:50
one that they had discovered with paint on her so uh he may not not have had the
00:54:55
opportunity to be part of her murder they figure out that he couldn't have been part of that murder and she's got
00:55:01
the paint on her so we know that this this is connected to all the other ones and the person that he suspected of
00:55:07
killing has that same paint on her as well right the one that he confessed to and these police you said it's there's a
00:55:14
possibility that the paint is just getting onto these girls for some other reason it could be but he would have to
00:55:20
have taken his victim to the same location or brought the same paint to the victim as this other killer is
00:55:26
bringing to all the other victims so the the the you know the math there is blowing my mind right now um so these
00:55:34
are other reasons why he was probably ruled out and we'll talk about some other police tactics and there was
00:55:40
another confession right how many confessions we got in this case well there's like 50 there's 50 well there's
00:55:47
probably a lot of people too that after the fact years and years later just kind
00:55:51
of like with the Black Dalia and zodiac and stuff like that where people come out and say my father it was my father
00:55:57
that did it cuz this was a pretty popular case yeah well uh John D Rose and I probably got his name wrong but uh
00:56:06
he was the head of Scotland yard's murder Squad back then and he was in charge during this investigation and
00:56:13
after his retirement he would go on to write a book called Murder was my business he had some he he had a cool
00:56:21
nickname all right so they called him 4day Johnny because when he was involved with cases they were solved very quickly
00:56:29
in his book this case is featured quite extensively which of course makes sense as it's one of the largest
00:56:35
investigations I mean probably even one of the largest investigations of the 1960s so John 4 day Johnny as we'll call
00:56:42
him he decides he's going to turn up the heat right this is during the investigation he knows his man is still
00:56:48
out there and he's going to try to shake the bushes and see what comes crawling out so John States that Scotland Yard
00:56:56
this is to the public they had a very large list of suspects and after uncovering the latest evidence and
00:57:03
further factchecking that they were able to whittle down the list to three suspects and soon that would shrink to
00:57:12
just one suspect well yeah but they did this thing in this case where they would
00:57:16
say oh we have now narrowed it down to 40 we narrowed it down to 20 and then and they kept getting smaller and and
00:57:24
you know then the the big one was we got it down to three but a lot of people think that this was all just horeshit
00:57:30
anyways well I mean come on you and I captain we've seen this tactic this was used in our lifetime it was used by the
00:57:38
Boulder Colorado police in the investigation of the death of John Ben Ramsey right and of course uh it's
00:57:44
probably been used in many investigations where you just say yeah we got this big list now it's down to
00:57:49
three and pretty soon it's going to just be you buddy yeah and if you turn up that
00:57:54
heat you're hoping that they make a mistake or they just get so scared that they turn themselves in mhm yeah yeah he
00:58:00
John was thinking that maybe somebody would come forward and confess or that the perpetrator would panic and do
00:58:05
something crazy or something to get himself caught but regardless the murders did stop John D Rose now he is
00:58:14
the captain of the murder Squad that we've been talking about so now I'm the captain let's talk about 5 years after
00:58:21
the last murder D Rose is on a BB C television show he's doing an interview and in this interview he claims that he
00:58:30
knew the identity of Jack the stripper now furthermore he says that detectives had been preparing to make an arrest in
00:58:39
March of 1965 when news reached them that the suspect that they were looking for had
00:58:44
committed suicide the he had gassed himself in a locked up Garage in Southwest London now he explained that
00:58:53
the press in the television publicity that had been orchestrated by the police it was intended to frighten the suspect
00:59:01
and to make him run and he go on to say eventually it did have the effect that they desired because the killer became
00:59:09
so frightened that he took his own life in his 1971 Memoir murder was my business Ford a Johnny he rep he
00:59:17
repeated his claim saying that the man had left a suicide note explaining that he was unable to take the strain in
00:59:24
longer at the end of the suicide note Captain he says uh if the police are looking for me or I'll do the police a
00:59:32
favor I'll be in the garage he says something to that extent and that's where they find him well first of all
00:59:38
he's not invited into this garage he they find himself he's gassed himself in the garage um another author Brian
00:59:45
mcdonal he fleshed out the suspect further in his 1974 book called found naked a different suspect no this is the
00:59:53
same suspect we're talking about the same guy okay it's just he goes into a little more detail in his book and his
00:59:59
book's called found naked and dead he nicknamed the murderer as Big John and he described him as a respectable man in
01:00:06
his 40s with a wife and several children uh that had suffered a grim childhood in
01:00:11
Scotland characterized by an extreme Puritan puritanism and frequent beatings uh at the hands of his parents while
01:00:22
this big John was serving in World War II developed a habit of using prostitutes and would often turn to
01:00:28
violence when he drank and vet his feelings of self-loathing beating up the prostitutes right this happens a lot of
01:00:35
time uh with Catholics as well and after he got out of the war he later joined the police force and eventually he was
01:00:44
turned down hold on let me just say the self-loathing part of being a Catholic okay so thank you you're not the kill
01:00:51
part you're a Catholic you can speak you can speak for yourself speak for own experiences so after he gets out of the
01:00:57
war this this this standup citizen citizen who's beating up prostitutes decides that he's going to join the
01:01:05
police force uh eventually he is turned down for a promotion he's seeking the rank of detective he's turned down and
01:01:12
at this point he starts drinking again and he turns to the bottle and eventually he quits working for the
01:01:19
police eventually John he finds work as a security guard and he worked at the herin TA trading estate where the bodies
01:01:28
were believed to have been stored for some time now remember we talked about this this paint Spraying Company it was
01:01:34
a part of this here in estate and he worked as a security guard there so I think this is so he's a failed cop works
01:01:42
out as a security guard yeah it but but both uh for day Johnny and uh the author
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McConnell they did refuse to reveal Big John's true identity for the sake that they claimed that the Killer's living
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relatives Who Remain oblivious to his Crimes of the you know he's a suspected killer and and they they left they
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didn't want the the family to to well yeah well and logically victims right and logically this makes sense I mean
01:02:11
there's all this heat gets turned up on this guy he's had um some failures in his life he has a lot of self-loathing
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and as they think they're getting closer to you know capturing this guy and identifying him
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possibly not so much to save himself but possibly to save his family his kids and
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everything like that well I'll just kill myself if I kill myself chances are well
01:02:35
one I won't be killing anymore so that could be part of the Rel religious uh background into him where he is uh
01:02:43
remorseful um because of the drinking maybe he feels like because of the drinking and because of uh my childhood
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and everything I can't stop this I've become some kind of monster and so to rid the world of me being a problem and
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then to take away the burden on my family I'll commit suicide so I think logically it it all lines up it does all
01:03:06
line up and I think those are all factors as well plus the thing is it looked to this guy if this is the right
01:03:13
guy it looks to me like they were zeroing in on him pretty well and that he was going to be caught and again if
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if he has connections with police officers he could still have uh personal relationships with them possibly
01:03:27
drinking buddies that are police officers so he's hearing more first firsthand information um this seems like the clear
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path I mean like you said is they go by the name Big John or whatever so no real
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name there my thought initially when reading all this stuff and looking into this case was there's a lot of
01:03:48
connections as far as the the sex scene and I'm going to call it the sex scene or the sex industry because it's not not
01:03:54
just prostitutions but possibly uh sex movies and things of that nature but there's a connection between that and
01:04:01
people of power in London and so there was a lot of uh rich men and powerful men using the services of the
01:04:12
prostitutes then leading for the the um opportunity that they could blackmail the people of power and so I always
01:04:22
assumed not always but the last week of looking into this case was that I would be looking at somebody that was actually
01:04:31
not connected to the prostitutes at all somebody similar to this big John Guy where he's possibly not using the
01:04:39
prostitutes but that he is hired by the higher ups to hey take care of these problems these girls are these girls are
01:04:47
trying to Blackmail us or maybe something got out of hand or they didn't pay them again we're going to go to the
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to the press and and so they're hiring somebody that's taking care of all these problems yeah and and possibly with the
01:05:03
higher ups the rich and Powerful having connections with the police maybe that's
01:05:07
why they never solved it because it did just stop because they stopped hiring them but also maybe the rich and
01:05:14
Powerful took proper measures to stop doing this foolish the foolish behavior of like going above and beyond what you
01:05:21
know just uh the sex act you know I'll pay you for sex and and you be on your way and so to me there's something still
01:05:30
there uh I'd have to read these guys books to dive into that their Theory more uh it just sounds very logical
01:05:36
where they're coming from and again it's not just one author looking into this this is another author diving into it
01:05:42
more and one of those authors being the captain of the murder Squad at the time and now like you mentioned there was a
01:05:51
pretty big sex scandal going on in London at the time and it did have some ties to this case but when I looked at
01:05:57
when I looked at this and this is the only reason why we didn't discuss it more than what we will now was I didn't
01:06:03
see ties to every every victim well I mean you the tie would be the sex industry right right I I get that but I
01:06:12
I only saw one instance where somebody was reporting things or was willing to testify against somebody in court um you
01:06:20
know these other people could have had these other victims could have had some I to to the samex Scandal I think what
01:06:27
I'm seeing here though is I'm going to go with the with the lead investigators opinion of of that at the time for day
01:06:36
Johnny and exactly and and what we were pointing out here was all the extra steps and precautions and all the extra
01:06:43
effort that the police put into this search while it at the end it didn't it didn't bring the killer forward it
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didn't bring the killer to Justice however the the guy in charge firmly believes that their
01:06:58
tactics eventually leaded to led to their guy yeah and and the the Justice here was him taking his own life so if
01:07:06
you'd like to dive into this case more you're going to hear about this uh big-time scandal in London called the
01:07:13
perfumo affair and if you can just Google it go down a couple different rabbit holes it's also on the Wikipedia
01:07:21
page if you look for the London nude murders or if you look up Jack the stripper dive into the pumo affair if
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you like we could have spent a whole hour or two talking just about that and not got to any of these victims or sus
01:07:35
other suspects uh for this case and I think yeah there but there's definitely when you're going down the rabbit hole
01:07:40
there's definitely stuff that you run into dead ends so yeah and and I think that they're trying to make it bigger
01:07:47
than what it even was at the time and I think that you know hearing our opinion I think that this guy has uh there's
01:07:54
more ties to him to this case than what you will find in the the affair case recommended reading for this week
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