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let's talk some true [Music] crime 30-year-old kin louder is reported missing on October 1st 2014 and last
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scene on surveillance footage from Saturday September 27th the louder family organized a search for Kalin that
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started at 2: p.m. on Thursday the day after she was officially reported missing the family also hired a private
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investigator to help in the search now I do want to point out something here that
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the family really stuck to and I'm proud of them for doing so we often say and hear in our lives that actions speak
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louder than words and that was the situation regarding this missing person's case where the public
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perception was we have a young woman who appears to have a potential break with reality that could have been delusional
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and now she's missing and what I think we need to be aware of is here is a situation where I believe that the words
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were more important than the actions I believe that the words should have spoken louder and that is the louder
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family they State look what we see in this footage is actually her bending over to talk to her dog Phyllis saying
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come here here go outside so we can use the restroom right and her brother parley says it doesn't matter how she
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went missing but really what is important is where she is she is still gone no matter what people's opinions
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are that's all we're here to do is to find her and they will find her but it is not the outcome that everybody was
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hoping for yes unfortunately on December 1st 2014 kayn's body was found by workers they were working in the Jordan
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River now depending on which report you read this is approximately 5 or 6 miles from her condo Kalin louder's body was
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found by a city worker who was inspecting drainage pipes in West Valley City Utah when he made a Grizzly
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Discovery the body was floating but mostly underwater in the Jordan River the body which police believe have been
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there for a very long time was obscured by leaves and other plant debris and then we have the autopsy findings after
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they confirmed that it was in fact kin louder the autopsy the louder family they had to wait four months to learn
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how she died but the autopsy results are inconclusive and leave no closure for the family the family released the
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following statement regarding the medical examiner's report on kayn's death M quote after waiting 4 and 1/2
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months kin's family received the autopsy report it l undetermined as her cause of death due
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to exposure to the water we knew this was a possibility but we are saddened not to have more information or closure
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her toxicology report indicated nothing fatal or illegal in her system Murray police officer Kenny bass said that
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determining cause of death will be very difficult extremely difficult the news devastated the louder family who held
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out hope for her safe return right and then we made a statement that this type of autopsy is very FY malic type of work
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well possibly the the the problem is you know we we talked so much on off the Record about the case against Adnan SED
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the the four-part series on HBO right and the last episode was titled time is the killer well in this situation you
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you can look at the water is the killer for a number of reasons one is a possibility that she somehow had an
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accident and fell into the water and that took her life but you can look at it from another angle and go okay well
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we don't really know what happened something else could have occurred here and the water her time her body being in
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that water for that long right could have washed away any evidence and made it very hard to determine the actual
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cause of death well let's start with this question how far away is the Jordan River from her apartment or condo okay
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so I think the reason why you see different um conclusions regarding the distance between her condo and where her
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body was found is if you were to drive the streets I believe it's 6.5 or 6.6 miles
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okay but as the crow flies it would be more like five five and a half miles maybe six tops that is still a long
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distance to carry a body let's say by foot not that far if you're carrying the body by car right so let's
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let's start to dive through some possible theories as to what could have happened to Kin and one theory that is
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often discussed and this is kind of the number one go-to Theory here is the creek Theory so there's a creek that
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runs what you cannot see in that surveillance footage is there's a creek that runs right by her condo right and
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that Creek from my understanding from reports I've read feeds into this Jordan River so one theory that has been
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presented many times is could she have there there was bad weather from most reports that day not as bad as they
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report but there was bad weather there was rainy weather could you have a combination of bad weather and her
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running around maybe even acting erratically at times who knows right and this ends up being some kind of very
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simple answer she slipped into the creek and had some type of accident and eventually the creek carries her to the
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river right that's a possibility it's an interesting Theory but as John Lorden points out on brain scratch him and his
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researchers did a very good job of pointing out look they showed pictures of several obstacles that would have
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been between her condo and where the body was eventually found and they're simply pointing out look how difficult
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it would be for the water to have carried her this far without getting snagged or caught on this obstacle here
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and then you go okay well maybe maybe it passed through that or got over that somehow and then they put point out
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another obstacle and then another obstacle and after a while you start going what's the
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likelihood that she makes it that far by just falling into the creek near her home
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the other thing that I want to point out here too is the argument that some people present is say they say well
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maybe she fell into the water much closer to where her body was found well her car was still at her condo right
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okay and for her to have traveled that distance on foot I've done the Google Map search I was I was flying around on
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there like crazy and I'm telling you this is a heavily populated area there's no one to say
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that they saw her well I want to say this to be very clear right there's no 100% proof positive eyewitness statement
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of somebody saying that they saw her anywhere near that area right and this is somebody would have seen her right
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and if she's acting erratically cuz let's say she gets there by foot mhm well what does that mean then she had an
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accident there right why did she go there was she acting erratic and if she was we should have more eyewitnesses
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saying because she would have stuck out like a sore thumb mhm well and other people would point to possible suicide
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you know that maybe she ingested something to take her own life and put herself in the water before she died
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right um again the problem is all those obstacles that lie in the way and again the other problem is if if she went into
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the water closer to where she's found there's no one to say that they saw her walking around mind you people have
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pointed out how strange they think it is that she's out walking around in a tank
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top jean shorts and no shoes in the rain on that surveillance footage therefore I
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feel like she would have stuck out like a sore thumb if she was walking the streets of town before she ended up in
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the water uh closer to the point where she was found well and another question that I have is there just seems to be
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when you look at the surveillance footage you hear all these rumors of how bad the weather was and then you see it
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on this footage and and it doesn't look that bad it just looks rainy right and most of the time look appears to be a
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light rain and again we don't have those time stamps but what we can do is weather is general information you can
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go back and look up the reports and it is that's what we did I mean I well I looked up the weather reports for
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September of 2014 right all the way through October of 2014 and I do understand that she would
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have been in the water longer than that but the thing is regarding the day that she went missing so the weather report
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for that day on September 27th is rain at times the rain was considered heavy cloudy there was fog that day which I
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think adds to some of the thought that there could be an accident a misstep um the visibility was not great at portions
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of that day so the fog lasted from 5:00 a.m. almost to 6:00 p.m. on that day and
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the rain lasted from 5:00 a.m. to almost 6: p.m. as well there was only heavy rain during the 11:00 a.m. and 300 p.m.
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hours the high that day was 65 the low was 56 so the reports and everybody saying man the weather was so bad that
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day there was so much rain so much thunderstorms I that doesn't seem to be the truth it doesn't seem to be the situ
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situation right and the then regarding that we did have some rain afterwards because I'm trying to look
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for a situation where somehow she ends up in the water and maybe the water levels are extremely high and the water
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was extra powerful the current was extra powerful and able to carry her through or past some of those obstacles yeah
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again it would make more sense if the dog was loose we have the dog the dog was left behind if it was a case where
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the dog ran away and we didn't know where the dog was I could then say well maybe the dog went a little too far off
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a path tried to chase after the dog and something bad happened mhm but other than that why is she even going down
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there well and the other thing too is a lot of people ask the question was her condo when with the next person that
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someone next time that someone entered her condo was the condo found locked the door and the statement I could find was
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that the roommate said that the door was locked when she returned and the reason
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why I think people pose that question is they're wondering could she have just quickly run out left the door unlocked
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with the intention of returning and then somehow slipped into the water right and
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I think that's it's an interesting angle but the problem with that is even if the
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door was locked we have a statement from the family saying that they didn't find
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her keys so maybe she did lock the door behind her or as I kind of believe maybe
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she had intentions of going somewhere I know she's not dressed for the weather but maybe she had intentions of going
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somewhere or meeting someone any of that could be a possibility yeah and I wonder
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is she friends with anybody that lives in this unit I mean they say that there's six I I think six units M and so
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is she friends with anybody is she have any romantic relationships well and this is an area
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where there's going to be more than just those six units be it whether they're part of that condo complex or not there
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this area appears to me to be surrounded by other condos or apartments right but
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think about it this way you're friends with somebody that lives a couple houses down or a couple maybe even blocks away
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and you're just going to grab your keys lock your door go hang out with them for
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a little bit come back and and you could be in your house clothes no big deal you're going to go watch a movie or
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whatever well and there is some indication that she might have been well I should I don't want to say might have
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been heading to a friend's house on foot there's some indication that she had at
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least one friend that lived in another condo in that complex right and I want to be talking to them and and then also
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it just keeps drawing me back to that do we know who's in that maroon car do we know
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who's responsible for that car mhm cuz that to me is a little fishy that it shows up and disappears and then shows
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back up again in footage well we're we're going to dive into that car big time I have some strong opinions on that
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vehicle but regarding the weather and regarding the situation of the water level for the creek and for the river um
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on the the 28th the day after there were scattered showers for part of the day on
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the 29th there was light rain for about 3 hours strong thunderstorms for 1 hour on the 30th light rain for about 4 hours
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and then on October 1st light rain for 3 hours and then we have no rain for about
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5 days okay um so I can see a situation where the water level might be higher than nor normal however I'm not seeing a
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situation where we're having day after day of hard rain right and leading up to that leading up to her disappearance
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there's not a considerable amount of rainfall during that time either and I'm only you know I'm going out um 26 27
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days before she went missing right but I don't want to rule out the possibility to to me it's less likely
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that there was some accident that she slip and fell but if there was some kind of Foul Play I don't want to rule out
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the fact that they could have disposed of her body in that Creek and that could have led to the river mhm I still think
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it's a possibility whether the weather was extreme or not it seems like there's definitely a lot of rain so therefore
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the water level should be a little bit higher which would make it easier for or more likely for a body to go from that
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Creek to the river well and the other thing too is there's a possibility that if someone if there was Foul Play
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involved and someone did dispose of her body in the water or in the creek itself they could have disposed of the
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body in the creek much closer to where it flows into the river right and that might potentially avoid a lot of those
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obstacles now here's the thing though I I want to talk about one thing that I think is very key here is the family
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statement of saying that the toxicology report says that there was nothing harmful nothing fatal nothing illegal
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found in her system right and that makes you wonder about alcohol well that's that's very important to me for a couple
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of reasons because when you find a body in the water and you have no known cause
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of death what that means is we're not seeing a lot of damage done to this body right we're not seeing obvious signs of
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skull fractures or cut mark marks or anything of that nature well right and some of the wounds that she might have
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they might have a hard time determining if it's a wound or if it's something that was caused by the water well that's
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that's what I I'm kind of getting at here is that I think that the the mind immediately goes to well she could have
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taken something that could have killed her and then slipped into the water and they're saying they're outwardly saying
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that's not what the toxicology say or or suggest that did not occur so then you have individuals that will say well she
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could not have been murdered because there's no obvious signs of Foul Play there's no obvious signs of of damage to
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the body skull fractures Cuts things of that nature I would also argue though if
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she had an accident and slipped and fell into the water wouldn't you expect to see the same I mean we're talking about
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a situation think might inj we talking ay Old Woman Who very eily I what the current was at
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that time it's a creek it's it's a creek it's not the river if she slipped into the creek near her condo she very likely
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without sustaining a a severe head injury or some other type of severe injury could have very likely pulled
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herself out of that Creek well she's also 5'8 which so it's not like she's 5 foot tall and the water goes up 5 foot
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so there's a good chance she could have just stood you know stand up and and and
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you're safe so my where where some people point out the argument of she couldn't have been killed by someone
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because there's not these obvious signs of murder I would point out the same regarding a possible accident slipping
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into the water what about like the higho bone is that what it's called yeah the a break to the hyid Bone
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yeah cuz normally you find that during Str strangulation I think that would have
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been an obvious go-to yeah I think that that would have been a quick way to rule
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Foul Play in or out now if you find a hyid bone intact does not necessarily mean that they couldn't have been
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strangled correct it just is you know again and then you wonder if there's bruising around the
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neck but that's that's where the water is the killer right because even if the water didn't kill her the water is a lot
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of stuff here I agree but I think that's why it goes back in my mind to these phone calls is there somebody in her
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apartment is she acting erratically is she acting abnormal and the family is saying no and I understand that the
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family is going to lean to that probably anyways mhm but I think if there was clear-cut decisive proof that she was
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acting strange you know you take like a you you know Kena Jenkins in Chicago walking
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around the hotel her friends family everybody will say that's she was walking strange
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acting strange looking like she was on something and in this case you have a family that's saying
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no and I just don't see the proof of it mhm and and I thought I was going to I thought by diving into this case we're
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going to see tons of this and that's going to be the explanation and it's going to probably be some accident you
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know it's kind of a a mixture between a Brian Schaefer case and Alisa lamb M and
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I just don't see evidence of that well one thing I want to point out here too is a case that we covered in what uh we
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no longer do seasons but I think we called this season two or if you were to look it up on on the Stitcher app for
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free it would be under 2016 okay where we covered Joey labute's case right Joey leut disappeared from
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Downtown Columbus and he was eventually found his body was eventually found like
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30 to 45 days I don't have the information in front of me but many many days afterward in the river and the
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thing is they could find no known cause of death no obvious cause of death to Joey because of the water and what what
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it does naturally to a body that remains in there for so long and with Joey's case no one no one has ever really
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suggested that we thought he might harm himself and so I think we have a situation here where we're looking at it
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from not you and I captain but some are looking at it from a different angle under a different light where they're
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saying well she could have harmed herself but yet the result is the exact same that we saw in Joey labute's case
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right so one thing I want to point out here that I do think is a little strange and maybe maybe the truth of it
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underneath of it all is not strange at all it's just we have no explanation for such right I'm going to go back to the
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surveillance video there's six of them now remember that I was quick to point out in two in at least two of them you
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see what appears to be a maroon or red car to the left of the screen on the left side of the screen slide to the
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left now knowing the layout and the Landscaping of that condo complex and the position of that surveillance
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camera I want to point something out here I I strongly believe that there's a very good chance that that car that
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appears to be maroon is actually a red car and it's on the left there and I say that because
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the position of the camera in Rel relationship to the layout of the condo complex and the driveway there and the
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Landscaping on the left side there that's a heavily covered area there's a lot of trees there so where a vehicle
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that is in the light would appear to be red it may appear to be maroon when it's
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under the cover of those trees when it's in the shade of those trees and if you look very closely you can only see a
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little bit of the the plastic rims or you know the the hubcaps on the wheel but those hubcaps appear to be very
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similar to the red car that we see later go into the garage right I actually think that there's a good chance that
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that is that car is one in the same and if that's the case I believe that that's
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the roommate that we see going out to the garage and entering the garage and then later we see the red car come in
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and park in a garage that's in the same place as where the roommate enters the garage and with there being no sound or
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no speculation or anything to go off of I almost wonder why were those two videos released to the public is that
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some kind of weird way of saying we don't know what was going on here but but what's up with this red car
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and what's up with the roommate what's up with that what's up with that yeah yeah o we so that I found that to be a
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little strange and I bring that up for another reason too because in the in the one video I think it's in the second
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video m where we see her running out and this is the one where people say she she's running from something and I said
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I believe her to be running to something and it looks to me like she might have something in her hand is it is it it's
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conceivable to believe that she might be jogging out to hand something off to the
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roommate or to who whoever's in her roommate's vehicle very Poss because she runs over towards that red car right and
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it's out of frame at that point right and again we don't have any statements from the roommate telling us what was
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going on there was more going on whether it has something to do with the demise of this young woman or not we don't know
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but there was other things there were other activities going on that day and I I'm repeating this because I believe
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that some of her actions only seem to be strange or bizarre to us because we don't know what was going on I think a
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lot of those actions that are deemed strange or bizarre are very likely easily explained Away by very normal
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behavior right I I don't see most detectives of average to above average IQ looking at this evidence and
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telling me that she is in some form of psychosis or something mhm it's just not [Music]
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this cheers mates cheers captain and like we said before all the links for the surveillance footage in the 911
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calls will be on our website at True Crime garage.com so let's go back to her brother for a minute because his story
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is not done and I think because of some of the erratic behavior that people claim that they're seeing I think
00:31:33
they're kind of tying it also to her twin brother because he has some situations in his life and I think
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they're trying to make those parallel well I might be trying to make them parallel I've not seen many people
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really connect the two but I think it's something that we should make sure that we point out cuz they're twins they have
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similar DNA makeup right I don't understand how science works but I'm hard enough to figure out that there's
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some similar DNA makeup right so this is from a news article and uh I'll just read the article for you and then we'll
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we'll kind of dive into it a bit a man who has been returned to prison a couple of times since his original
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incarceration in 2009 for manslaughter conviction is getting another chance at parole Colton Jesse louder aged 34 has
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been granted parole and will be released from the Utah State Prison louder was told at his last parole hearing that if
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he were to be released he'd either have to succeed or be locked up for life and will have some strict conditions for his
00:32:36
release the Utah Board of Pardons and Parole has ordered louder to be put on a GPS ankle monitor for the first 90 days
00:32:45
of his release and also be subjected to random drug and alcohol test four times a month during that time louder was also
00:32:54
ordered to abide by adult probation and parole curfew and complete vocational training
00:33:01
after he was paroled the first time he was convicted of a DUI just 13 months later and was sent back to prison in
00:33:09
2016 in 2017 he was sent back to prison again after being this is this is where you
00:33:17
got to follow along here sent back to prison again after he believed a quote Stranger In the Shadows end quot told
00:33:26
him to cut off his GPS ankle monitor this according to Utah Board of Pardons and Parole during his last parole
00:33:35
hearing he was told that the decision to let him serve out the rest of his life term in prison or give him one more
00:33:43
chance at Freedom was a difficult one they also noted that louder has continued to have the strong support of
00:33:49
his family from his original Court proceedings through his latest parole hearing now Colton louder gave a
00:33:56
statement in which he said quote I'm sure my family is sick of it I'm sick of it I can't imagine any rational normal
00:34:04
person not being sick of it it's hard to look at your behavior and know how toxic
00:34:11
it can be right how destructive it can be I want to start building a life that I'm proud of and I want to start
00:34:18
building a life I wouldn't imagine sacrificing by being high now the board told louder it's clear when he drinks or
00:34:27
does drugs he engages in high-risk behavior and they said you're going to have to be at not a drop of anything for
00:34:35
the rest of your life the key thing that we got to Circle in here on is the statement that he gives to the Board of
00:34:43
Pardons and Parole when asked why he cut off his GPS ankle monitor yeah he says that he was told to do this by a
00:34:52
stranger in the shadows yeah pretty strange pretty strange that there's stranger
00:34:59
danger in the shadows yeah so a a situation where but I think that you know that's it's a leap because yes
00:35:08
they're twins they got simil similar DNA makeup yes of course they do but and they also have the same family history
00:35:17
that's the probably the more important thing here as far as mental health goes but as far as kin goes we don't have any
00:35:26
knowledge of drug use of her like heavy drug use we don't have her having run-ins with the law he has heavy drug
00:35:36
use sometimes we all probably know somebody that got into drugs and that they're a shell over the person they
00:35:45
once were it's almost like they broke their brain mhm and so that's something that we have to take into consideration
00:35:53
here was it a moment of psychosis possibly was that drug induced possibly but have it go all the way down is it is
00:36:06
it still possible that it was hereditary or some mental health issue and and does
00:36:15
his sister have the same uh infliction well and then there were some post by commenters on some of the armchair
00:36:25
detective sites okay and these posters were saying that called yeah there's this one called uh we know a lot of
00:36:32
shit.com there there were some post that said or suggest that at some point kin was seen either hiding from cars or
00:36:41
trying to get into cars I couldn't find any news article be it a reputable one or not right or even
00:36:51
fake news that was saying that they had eyewitness reports of this OCC uring my thought is I'm wondering if people see
00:37:00
the surveillance video and then they're filling in some of the blanks right so that leads me to to this here captain
00:37:08
and this is some more disturbing information okay we have klin louder who went missing and then ultimately her
00:37:18
body is found couple months later but we also have a young woman named Jerica Binks she's been missing from this same
00:37:28
general area for more than 13 months she's still missing to this day now she went out for a jog actually not too far
00:37:37
from where kin would have went missing from or is believed to have been missing from this young woman is 24 years old
00:37:45
missing since February of 2018 the one of the last areas the general vicinity where she was seen
00:37:53
would have been North Country Boulevard in Utah State Route 92 last scene around
00:37:59
1:30 p.m. so daylight hours and this is only about a 35 minute drive between the
00:38:06
two distances of where where jerich Banks was last seen and where kayin louder was last seen and I bring that up
00:38:15
for this reason when you do some searching if you go to City data.com what you're going to find here
00:38:24
in this area is there are Pockets where you have a very high and when I mean very high I mean
00:38:33
alarming rate of sex offenders living in the area so a very high amount of sex offenders in Draper City Utah the
00:38:44
estimated population of Draper is 47,000 people and there's 47,000 offenders well it might as well
00:38:53
be it it has a 22 to1 residence to sex offender ratio whoa 22 not moving there hey so if you your kids hide your wife
00:39:06
if you put 25 random people in a room in Draper Utah according to this data you've got at least one sex offender in
00:39:15
there I don't know why anybody would live there I can't figure out why so many of them live there or there no
00:39:20
schools in Draper what the hell's going on there but I point that out well I guess you know if going to have them
00:39:27
live somewhere have them all live in the same town and they could play flicky flicky with each other you know yeah and
00:39:33
the thing that I'm pointing out here Captain is a scenario that we have seen more than once
00:39:40
unfortunately could both situations actually be true and what I mean here is regardless if you think that kin was
00:39:50
having some type of break with reality that she might have been delusional or as you know she tells the the 911
00:39:59
operator my roommate says that I'm delusional says that I'm seeing things do we have a situation here where this
00:40:07
poor young woman is suffering from something that that we might not fully understand and that she happens to cross
00:40:16
paths with a very bad individual that sees an opportunity or either she approaches a vehicle or approaches
00:40:24
someone and they go you know what I can get this person I can get this woman I can get her in my car right and people
00:40:33
say people point out so often you know I reference back when we were really looking into the mara Murray
00:40:41
disappearance yeah and so many people point out what would be the math on a scenario where you have a woman in
00:40:49
distress Mara Mara Murray wrecked her car mhm that she would in that brief window
00:40:57
of time that she happens to come across a serial killer I understand that the math on that is crazy it's the
00:41:05
likelihood is is so thin I don't I don't see how you you don't understand science
00:41:12
at all but this crazy mathematics you seem to have your head all wrapped around I think what people get confused
00:41:21
in that Mara Murray situation is she does not have to C cross with a serial killer to end up dead it could just be
00:41:30
one bad dude that's never killed anybody that's looking for a woman to attack right and there's a lot of times that
00:41:38
there are sex offenders they're motivated by a sexual assault and then that turns into a murder and maybe only
00:41:45
one but again we have a missing girl that's already from that area and look is it possible some crepo
00:41:56
walked into her apartment what what if she talked to somebody outside and then she came back
00:42:03
inside and some creepo just decided I'm going to just walk into our apartment MH
00:42:09
and I I kind of believe here Captain after really looking and diving into this to be honest with you the first
00:42:16
couple days I really kind of just thought that some kind of accident occurred I think that this is something
00:42:23
bigger I think that the family is correct in their statement that they something weird is going on here is were
00:42:30
their words and they weren't referencing kin's actions right now I and I don't see evidence of that myself and when you
00:42:38
have another missing girl that you have not found and you have all these sickos right around them that's your
00:42:47
motive and so it's almost like well we don't have any leads and we don't have much evidence so let's bring up I don't
00:42:57
know if it's coming from the cops or if it's coming from the media because it makes this this sensable story of oh
00:43:05
well look at her talking to herself and look at her just running off and and this doesn't make any sense if if you're
00:43:13
look watch the videos people you're go if you can see something that I I don't see I mean we all know I mean it's
00:43:22
documented I'm certifiably insane I can't see the actions that she's doing that would cause somebody to go wow she must
00:43:35
be in a state of psychosis cuz even the 911 call she's answering every question she is not just going off on tangents
00:43:46
she doesn't want say like oh I think they left so now I need to go see if uh if they left any of their UFOs behind M
00:43:56
you know or I wonder if they left their big Bigfoot stick she's not saying that she's going I'm just going to go check
00:44:02
to see if they took anything right so everything that she says makes sense I mean she the the her roommate opens up
00:44:12
the door hey lock your door okay you're not going to lock your door come here okay well now I don't hear him
00:44:18
anymore maybe they're gone and again maybe it's just a simple mistake and from that one call
00:44:27
well you know there was three calls but I'm three calls in the course of less than 12 hours but with that longer call
00:44:34
then they just go well she was probably in some form of psychosis and I just don't believe she was and and like I
00:44:42
said I I'd also be interested to know what their family mental history was mhm and I think if
00:44:51
there was more mental history in their family family mental illness in their family
00:44:57
that the family probably would have came forward and said hey yeah this is a possibility but that again you brought
00:45:04
up a great point that does not rule out the fact that there's not some sicko that goes oh well this uh girl seems a
00:45:10
little out there I'm going to take advantage of the situation well and you know what the the majority and I mean
00:45:19
the vast majority we're talking in the in 90 95% of the time a stranger on Stranger abduction a stranger on
00:45:26
Stranger murder is simply a crime of opportunity for the perpetrator yeah it's somebody
00:45:34
that sees someone that is they deem to be an easy target at that time and they only have to be an easy target long
00:45:42
enough for them to abduct them right and I I think that what we have here is you
00:45:49
know this scenario is quite different from the Jessica Johnson case that we talked about a few weeks ago go but it's
00:45:58
similar to me where I think that we have a mysterious death and I get the medical
00:46:04
examiner findings and I understand and I have the backs of the police involved they don't have any evidence that
00:46:13
anything regarding Foul Play occurred here so it makes it difficult for them to say well we have to investigate this
00:46:20
as a murder that's not what the evidence suggests to them but what I think we here is what we said with Jessica
00:46:27
Johnson we have a mysterious death we have an unexplained death and until you can explain a few things that that
00:46:35
actually did happen or seem to be more plausible then it remains a mysterious death and should remain an open case and
00:46:44
that's where you and I here in the garage we're doing a mar like a Marco Polo situation right we're calling out
00:46:51
Marco to Marco to everyone out there and we're asking if if you saw something if
00:46:57
you think you know anything at all and maybe it doesn't seem like a big deal to you maybe it doesn't even seem like
00:47:03
important information to you you have a family that's very hurt that's heartbroken and they've they've received
00:47:10
no answers right but public opinion can shape things we've seen this time and time again and I think it's
00:47:18
irresponsible of the media to be saying this stuff oh she seems erratic and blah
00:47:23
blah blah watch this footage listen to this footage make comments known on the internet if you don't think that she was
00:47:31
acting and and like I said some form of psychosis then it's this is more likely a crime of opportunity and also look at
00:47:41
that situation they're in when you look at the surveillance footage you have a giant Mound that they poured concrete
00:47:50
over which is basically blocking these condos mhm what a great opportunity that you could grab somebody and somebody not
00:48:00
see you because you have this giant boulder in the way like I said this is a heavy populated area you can see a lot
00:48:08
of apartments and condos in that area so you have a lot of people living together
00:48:11
in close quarters right it's not too farfetched to believe that someone may have seen her out there right in front
00:48:20
of her condos and that's why we don't have anybody to say well we saw her elsewhere at a different time that she
00:48:27
may have been picked up very close to where that surveillance footage was picked up at yeah and you know there are
00:48:34
some rumors that either she and I can't back this up with with legit information
00:48:39
but there are some rumors that either she was abducted near that site or that she was picked up by someone meaning
00:48:47
maybe she was running out to talk to somebody or had intentions of of speaking with somebody at some point
00:48:55
right and like I I said makes sense if you're just going to go hang out with somebody for a minute or maybe they're
00:49:00
just like hey I'll pick you up we'll go for a ride and talk all I got to do is grab my keys when they drop me back off
00:49:08
I'll go inside leave my leave my wallet leave my purse leave my dog so that all those
00:49:16
things make logical sense and uh I feel for the family because it seems like they're screaming at the top of their
00:49:23
lungs and it seems like not too many people are listening well and when you have a situation that is this this is
00:49:32
the exact situation that we have here when you have an area when you have a city that is a 30 minute to 35 minute
00:49:42
drive away where the sex offender to ratio the the citizens the residents to sex offender ratio is 22 to1 when it's
00:49:52
that big and you have another missing woman that's about the same age as our victim here kin
00:50:00
louder look you want to talk about the the unlikelihood of a bad man crossing paths with a woman in distress or an an
00:50:10
unknown victim or an easy target well guess what Jerica Binks who was out jogging in daylight in February of
00:50:20
2018 the likelihood that she came across a a bad horror individual it's the same mathematical
00:50:29
equation as kin louder coming across some bad horrible individual in the parking lot or near the parking lot of
00:50:37
her condos yeah and I and I think both families should actually team up and I think these are connected and I
00:50:47
think if they don't do something about it we're going to be discussing another case from within this area well and I
00:50:55
want to point out too before we close out here today captain that sadly the louder family experienced another loss
00:51:03
earlier this year uh this is taken from an obituary that states we lost our amazing son uncle and brother colon
00:51:11
Jesse louder on January 13th 2019 he was born along with his twin sister on January 21st
00:51:20
1984 to Jesse and Suzanne acrian louder Colton had a big heart and loved everyone he was happiest when he could
00:51:27
be playing his guitar he found peace and happiness in his talent and would play anytime he could he was an Avid Reader
00:51:35
and a talented writer he loved outdoors and nature he has survived by his parents Jesse and Susie louder a brother
00:51:43
parley and sister Maddie he was preceded in death by his sister kin who he missed
00:51:50
terribly we will never be the same without you continue to find peace until we we can be with you
00:52:02
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