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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] a quiet period ends today in the deli double murder investigation it has been
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more than 2 years now since the murders and two weeks since the release of new clues in the case State Police said
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theyd wait to say more until New tips came in and and give time for the families to absorb the new information
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well that period's passed now State Police Superintendent Doug Carter is here good morning sir good morning Scott
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uh we've been reporting on Daybreak some 3,000 probably more Now tips have come in since the release of the new
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information has any of it different is any of it useful well it's all useful it's all useful and it's all uh at least
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the vast majority of it's different M so I'm I'm thrilled with what's happened since then uh we still have a lot of
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work to do but but we're not near done when we first got word and it was on a Friday that we got word that that there
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would be this new information some of the things struck me as unusual you invited the public to this you weren't
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taking questions at that point again to wait those a little bit later and then in that that briefing it seemed like you
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were speaking directly to whoever did this with the sense that that person might even be in the room do you think
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that person was in the room I think if he wasn't in the room he was close by but I'm 100% convinced he was watching
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why because of all that's happened over these last 30 months um the information that we had
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received the information that we knew um and I hope to one day be able to tell that story uh you you said something dur
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during the briefing that struck me that you feel like the investigators may have
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talked to him do you think that at some point or since then that that one of your guys has gotten front of this
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person and asked him questions and and if so then then how at that point did it not lead to an arrest and how could it
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moving forward well I think it's likely I I think it's likely there's a lot of opinions out there there's a lot of
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subjective opinions there's a lot of analysis being done which were trying to to encourage folks to not do those kinds
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of side-by-side analysis um but I I really believe that over time we're going to have an idea that we were on to
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something early on but remember this isn't a 43-minute TV show we have to we have to we have to understand that's not
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just science but it's also human intelligence what people know somebody knows whose body that is Scott somebody
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knows if you take the head head off of a person that you know you'll recognize the body whether it be your dad your
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brother your uncle your friend your neighbor your cooworker that's the piece we're waiting on and I I I believe that
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that we'll get there it's there there is an extraordinary group of people up there that that's doing this work and I
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believe they're going to come to a successful resolution you mentioned the body and the release of of video and
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this is only two or three frames of video but it shows the movement of the person um it's been asked and I'm sure
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it's been asked of you as well why not release that sooner you knew right away you had a picture but a picture is
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different than video why wait that long yeah a picture is different than video and a sketch is different than a
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photograph so you're right you're absolutely correct we'll be able to one day tell
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you what we know and why we didn't release it we don't want to show our hand we don't want to show the the complete
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picture of what we know versus what we think we have to be very very careful there remember it's easy it's easy to
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give an opinion if you don't understand the factual basis for what we've done and why I don't mean that in a critical
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sense but we have to protect the Integrity of what we know and um gez we're going to stay at it the the
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sketch um and to be clear and you did clarify this after but Cas folks didn't hear it you don't want them to look at
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both sketches anymore you only want the newly released sketch correct that's correct but remember a sketch is not a
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photograph right it's something similar to a resemblance and um the the likelihood of this being something
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between the two is probably pretty strong but again that's a subjective opinion based upon what I what I believe
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um and and and certainly you've shown frustration at at the the the killer uh at the fact that it takes a long time
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sometimes to find this the families have got a feel frustration as well and one question that occurs to me if they are
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Fielding rumor that you said you don't like that you could had some of that off by by sharing some of the Grim things
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that a family shouldn't have to share why is it that we don't know how these girls died why is it that we don't know
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if for instance they were sexually assaulted because only the killer knows that and so do we that's why that's why
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and you're right it's the frustration for the family is something I can't even begin to to Fathom or understand and we
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tried very very hard to stay connected with them Scott throughout this entire process um but but remember while people
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starve for information particularly for sensationalized events like this um we can't show our hand we just can't will
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there be a point where things change because it's been two years you changed strategies now you have to be looking
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down the Horizon if you don't get the resolution you want um you know you may think it may be because people want to
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sensationalize things i' I've heard from people very close to those families who
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say we're tired of answering Facebook posts about did this happen did that happen right I I can't understand their
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frustration but we can stay connected with them and I didn't mean sense sensationalism in a negative sense at
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all because I'm thrilled about what you've done what you've allowed us to do today because this is why we'll be
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successful this is why we'll be successful but but we we can't turn this in um uh to a to a wide open schematic
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of what we know and why we just we just can't but I believe that one day we'll be able to you've been involved in
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investigations that have led to convictions you've been involved to some of Ed in frustrating cold cases do you
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think someone will go to trial for this case someday yes that's your superintendent of Indi
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State Police Doug Carter talking about a very difficult Tale the deli double murders Abby Williams Libby German died
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just a little more than two years ago we'll continue to look for more information as you can release it and uh
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ask tough questions when necessary but we appreciate you coming in to visit with us thanks for having me absolutely
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Brandy that was from News 8 out of Indiana just last Thursday when they had the uh
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Indiana State superintendent Doug Carter on their show Daybreak and I think a very interesting interview one it's not
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really providing us with any new information per se but there is some more thought that he adds to things that
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they talked about when they did their press conference weeks ago and so kudos to the Indiana State uh police for
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staying involved with the media and being upfront with the media to keep this case alive and well and as Doug
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Carter points out that's how they're going to be successful that's how they're going to nail the Killer and
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connect him to the victims and to this crime right and he's he's stating that they don't want to show their hand but I
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believe those comments basically let everybody know that they don't have DNA if they're
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relying on somebody coming forward and saying hey I know that person that is my brother or that's my dad or
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whatever you know I would assume that they don't have DNA because that would not
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be if they had DNA then that's what would be the the na on the coffin well that what I think he might
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be saying there is there's still a chance in my mind that they may have DNA they just have nobody to connect it to
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at at this moment and if that is in fact the case you're right it will be the DNA
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that will get the conviction of the killer right but they might need if they can't have have it match with anything
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they need the Public's help to put them across the table from the right guy right but remember what he said he said
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he believes that they have already talked to this individual mhm if they already know who the individual is then
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they could test that person's DNA what but again though I also don't know that that means that they know who this
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person is I mean they they could say we've spoke to I don't know it pick a number between maybe 2,000 and 12,000
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people right this is how many people we've spoke to not everybody has submitted their DNA to us probably the
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majority have not some of them probably not even asked to do so and so now you have this pool of people and you're
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still not 100% sure that you've spoke to this individual because I think what they were saying at the the press
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conference was that they were under the belief that they being law enforcement were under the belief that they spoke to
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either have spoke to this individual or has spoke to someone or someone's close to him right so well it's also weird too
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cuz there was a lot of rumors saying that there was this tone in the room and just like that news anchor said was he
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there the belief from the police was that the person was there yeah that was a rumor that was told you know probably
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hours afterwards and and also you hear his demeanor there very cool calm collected not so much during the press
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conference M well when you know what happened to these girls you know how VI that was you know how sick and sadistic
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that is and you know that this animal's possibly right in front of you and and the Rumor so everybody's aware the rumor
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that I heard and I heard this through you actually was that there was one or two persons in the room that they that
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law enforcement is quite suspicious of right and and I think that's pretty much the extent of the rumor right yeah and
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the fact fact that they think well the rumor was that one or two individuals showed up and when they did there was a
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physical change in the room and so it's almost like the cops knew those are our our guys and to maybe
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expand on that rumor a bit what I've heard and I don't know if this part was from you or not but I also heard that
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these this individual or these individuals that that were in the room for the press
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conference mhm that they may have been somebody that did not cooperate with the investigation they didn't they didn't
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cooperate with police when they were spoke to yeah I mean it's very difficult here too because it seems
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like you know with the press conference and with this conversation here that they're looking at one perpetrator mhm
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but then you hear these rumors that two men showed up well and then you have two
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very different sketches yeah and is that two men and then now with the extra release of the audio footage you have um
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it says like hey guys down the hill and a lot of people think those are two different individuals that one guy is
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saying hey guys or whatever he says something guys and then down the hill and now a lot of people are coming out
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on social media saying those are two different voices again we don't know what they have so is there two people
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involved mhm um well and if they found two forms of DNA different forms whether even if they can't match them to anybody
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they know that they're different so maybe the police know maybe law enforcement knows that it's actually to
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individuals and and that being something that only they and The Killers would know no and one of the things I can't
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get over is during the press conference when he when the superintendent is that what yeah Doug Carter when he starts
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talking about some obscure movie uh and he calls it the cabin or something right and it comes out of
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nowhere there's no setup he just kind of starts talking about this movie and it's
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in from what I heard it's a kind of this weird religious movie where um this girl
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is taken to a cabin and she's tortured and um but it has something to do with religion like maybe she's tortured
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because of her religion I'm not really for sure but I keep going back to how weird that was in the press conference
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and it's like to me that's purposely done yeah it it wasn't just insert this in here yeah make sure
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you reference the cabin while you're up there talking yeah and there's a guy that is in custody he's
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arrested um he's in jail now he um there's some you know I I don't want to put too
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much out on the table but there is a guy that's arrested he's going to be charged
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with the murder of a girl that uh they tortured and left in a cabin of a woman yeah yeah and
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um and his his girlfriend or possibly ex-girlfriend lived in Deli uh he also worked on I believe Logan's property um
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the guy that found him and um and he also changed his appearance pretty drastically two years ago went
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from curly hair to shaved head had a goatee at one point now it's clean shaven um and and we just know from the
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crime that he's going to be charged with this guy as a piece of [ __ ] animal yeah yeah his um that case is of
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of itself is is a bit of a weird one and there's not really a lot of information
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out there as to what they think happened or or why well ba basically what they believe happened is that this
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girl um did something and this was like a Revenge but he it's not just him that's involved there's multiple people
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involved and helping him do this I don't know if they actually were involved in the torture or or the killing of her but
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I know there were multiple people involved as far as the setup and I believe there's three people that are
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arrested in connection with the with that case mhm so yeah I didn't know if those people are thought to have been
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involved in the setup or if they were thought who have been involved in helping him run from the police mhm but
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anyway um so the thing here that that's interesting he they mentioned 3,000 or over 3,000 tips that have come in since
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the press conference right mostly different as Carter points out uh also he he does say 100% he believes that if
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the killer was not in that room then the killer was 100% watching the press conference on TV he also references
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saying nearby If he if he wasn't in the room I believe he was nearby and watching meaning they don't think that
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this individual has left the area um talk to the killer he said it's likely based off of what they know but
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again they don't doesn't necessarily mean that they know who it was and then the good reminder here for to watch the
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walk to watch the movement of the Bridge guy in that video is what he really wants to point out there saying you know
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forget about the face look at the way that this guy walks in the face and if you know somebody that walks like that
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we need that person's name you need to come forward and give us that person's name now regarding the different
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sketches I've heard a couple rumors about this and I don't know if this is just armchair detectives playing with
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some ideas and around with some possibilities yeah or if it's actually you know sometimes there's truth and
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rumor so when I say a good rumor that's what I mean um but the the rumor that I have heard or read somewhere and I can't
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remember recall where I found this can't remember crap today but well I don't have any information in front of me I
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have I have one half page of notes and remember um plus with some of the stuff I we
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never know where the conversation's going to go but regarding the separate sketches the the the very obvious
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different sketches yeah the rumor that I saw was that this one of the sketches and I don't know which one that they're
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referencing because I think where I found this different people were saying it was the first sketch and then other
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people were saying it was the second sketch but what they were saying is that the sketch one of these sketches is not
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of somebody that they fully believe to be the Killer um not necessarily the man that they
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have video of on the bridge but it's somebody that was spotted by other people in the area at the time it's
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somebody they would like to talk to not necessarily meaning that he is the killer but it also does not mean that he
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could not be the killer this is somebody that um was seen in the area and I think
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it was multiple reports or mult multiple eyewitnesses that said they saw the this
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guy that looked like this in the area the day of and and and it could be let's say a friend a friend of the perpetrator
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right right or it could be somebody that saw something and for whatever reason they've not come forward but like you
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said or acquaintance you know it'd be more likely that the person somehow knew the person that's responsible or somehow
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involved right and says but let let's just say that they know he wasn't involved right but you're friends with a
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sicko or you knew a and he just did this you know there's there's some people that go hey I'm I'm
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minding my own business you know I don't want to I don't want the I don't want it to have
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somebody come back on me you know and and that and that's very possible you know just did an
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interview for this other podcast and it was a they they talked about a a clus case and and I won't mention the name
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CU basically you have a guy that does not live in Columbus worked in Columbus but
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took a trip to Columbus and he's found dead in his car shot shot multiple times and
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there is a lot of speculation that he was lured there by somebody he was seeing and
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the the family doesn't really want to discuss that or put that out to the public because they're afraid of
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retaliation mhm but it's the biggest lead that you have MH you know so it's you know
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um you know so who who knows about this uh this sketch because that's that's very confusing is it the same guy and
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it's just a bad sketch or are they're different people um well here's what Wonder
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because he does reference something Doug Carter references in this interview where he says um we may have been going
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we may have been down going down the right path or something like that he says we may have been going in the right
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direction early on and then we shifted gears onto something else right he references that in some form and what I
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wonder is is that kind of the thought with the sketch where now we have this new sketch yeah
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before we had the old one but it's technically not a new sketch though let's say that that early on they were
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looking for somebody that looks like the new sketch that it wasn't new to them that that they've had this for a while
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know we know it wasn't it's a two-year-old's cetch yeah yeah nobody nobody's nobody's denying that um what
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I'm what I'm saying though is is there a chance that they were looking for somebody that looks like this sketch
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that is new to us the public mhm at one point early on in the investigation and then once they got the
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footage and the picture did they then shift gears in the sketch that that we thought to be the original mhm was of
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was made from the footage and is there a chance that he's saying is that kind of revealing the
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fourth wall or whatever they say that that it it could be this is the guy we we probably should have been looking for
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all along but the sketch that came out is of is is based off of the footage but it's it could just be a bad
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sketch yeah and then also that they want to know what the gate MH and the and the
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Walk of this individual again we don't know if that's a perpetrator or not right right I mean
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he they're not clear on that not 100% and again another rumor that I heard and I think we've talked about this before
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was that you know you have to wonder what did the girls consider consider to be the Threat Level before
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this before this individual approached them right you know were did they already feel threatened at one point
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enough to the point where they started videotaping and taking pictures on their phone because that's the rumor I heard
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that that that somebody was following them around right and at some point they got weirded out and they're like we're
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going to take some video of this of this uh creepy guy that's following us around
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right because something had to prompt that unless it's just playing on your phone and you happen to catch that
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person yeah but that's it seems strange it seems like they're must some Threat Level for them to decide to be very
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extremely Brave and C capture that person's likeness on their phone right but it could be happen staning because
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look the universe works in mysterious ways where they just go hey here's these two girls playing on their phone and we
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they capture information that could lead to solving their murders MH and and I fully believe in that you know and and I
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think I do like the demeanor uh of the superintendent I do like um I think he's saying the right stuff I
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mean again it's they're in a very difficult situation and he says what three or four times I hope that one day
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we can explain what we know mhm and that's the tough thing is how much do you give to the public and how much does
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that hurt your case and at the end of the day this sick individual this animal needs to be locked up mhm and and we
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have information that we can't give that might even bring us to the guy but we can't give that because then we got
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nothing mhm again I'm leaning on no DNA the reason why I'm leaning on no DNA because you could give more if you had
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DNA if you had DNA you could give more because hey this is the this is the time of CSI and if you have DNA that matches
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well those would become a little more o open and shut cases mhm so uh of course they
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could argue well well that was you got my DNA because of whatever reason but it's it's interesting and and but to
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to me this conference seems like or this news clip or whatever it seems that they
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are getting closer that stuff is happening he seems a little more sure of what they're doing well and to be
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clear on something too that that you were talking about just a minute ago when we covered this case two years
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ago one thing that we pointed out and this was this was ripped from the newspaper articles from the local
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newspapers and one thing that I found very interesting was a statement of the guy in the video the man that you
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see in the video is considered a suspect in this double homicide and then there's
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other statements where they say the audio that you're hearing the voice that you're hearing in this audio is the
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killer of the two girls yeah that's that's that's very interesting um that that's interesting in the fact that you
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know what we're kind of talking about here that the bridge guy who we have video of may not be the same guy later
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heard talking yeah that it's very different vocabulary I think it is I don't want to discourage anybody out
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there from coming forward and and telling us who this bridge guy is so I don't know because it seems like look he
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just said you know take the head off and that's a brother or a f a father or whatever right mhm and uh and that is
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going to be one of the keys to cracking this case so it doesn't matter if that's
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a perpetrator or not he's telling you we need to know who the [ __ ] this guy is
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right we need both we we need both guys or if they are the same we need we need need that information do do you
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recognize the walk do you recognize the voice well on somebody is sitting there and that's what's so sick about this
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world is that there's not just one I bet there's five 10 people that have saw that and they been too scared to
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call or they've brushed it off they brushed off a feeling Universe works in mysterious
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ways but that universe is telling you you know who that son of a [ __ ] is and you need to
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call and it's sad that a lot of people go well that's not my business and and I believe there's I
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don't know that a lot of people would say that no I think that's painting a very Bleak picture of humanity I I think
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that's how it works I we we can have different opinions and this is an opinionated
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statement that you're making nope it's not factual that most people would choose to say nothing in the double
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homicide of children yeah and murders in general and and like most people with information in a homicide case won't
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come forward because they are scared or they're just a piece of [ __ ] themselves yeah I that that's what I
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believe and look but again when my friend was murdered on 11th Avenue and they had you say that's how it works but
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then you say this is what I believe that's not the same thing it's an opinionated statement that you're giving
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I'm giving a different opinion of I I actually think that most people are good people and most people want to help
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especially in horribly tragic situations like this again the people that have this feeling they're not those people
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aren't awful people they have this feeling and they just too scared whether it's a retaliation whether it's about
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being wrong right I just think that that is the the normal state right you have that side
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and then you do have the piece of [ __ ] people that go I'm I don't want to get involved this is done in my business and
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that's a big difference between somebody not wanting to get it wrong you know call tell the police if you know if it's
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your brother let's say or if it's your father or if it's a cousin or whatever and he's not the
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killer well he'll get set free for the right if they have DNA evidence or whatever but I think that's
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that you know I I I do think there there's two states of that and I think there's a lot of people that have gut
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feelings but again our system is not perfect so what if you're the guy that calls and says man this kind of you know
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not 100% but 75% this looks like my cousin and next thing you know your cousin's arrested and he's in jail and
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then he's on death row and you can't get him off and maybe he's not the right guy
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so you know but I think you'd be surprised how many people know about things that never State anything and
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never and never tell on anybody [Music] the [Applause]