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[Music] thank you [Music] mother is pleading to keep the unsolved murder of his daughter and
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daughter-in-law in the Limelight news specialist Mike Anderson talked with him about his concerns the case could get
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lost in the shadow of Gabby potato's disappearance Sean Paul Schulte says it's hard not to
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consider the kind of attention that Gabby patito's case got when compared with that of his daughter Carolyn
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Schulte and Crystal Turner and he's asking people to remember that their killer is still out there for the past
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three weeks Sean Paul Schulte has been right here here's a spot where I would sit and wait for the girls
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they'd come around the corner on the Harley and come rolling up a Sentimental spot at Swanee city park where he's
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maintained a booth for collecting tips from the community these Clues are time sensitive and now so much time has gone
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by and while petito's case grabbed so much more attention he doesn't begrudge it he just believes other cases like his
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daughters need that same Focus I know what it's like to have someone missing and I know what
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it's like to not have closure yet so I really feel for Gabby's family and hard as it may be
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several weeks later he's asking people who passed through the Moab area between August 13th through 18th to consider
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what they might have seen in the area near LaSalle Loop Road where the two women were shot and killed if anybody
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saw anything there a vehicle a description of a person person with a dog a weirdo with a gun whatever it is
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Schulte says dozens of people have brought him Clues and through his time here in town he's seen how much Kailyn
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and Crystal were loved the town cherished those girls the Grand County Sheriff's Office says they continue to
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follow leads in this case and have even called on additional labs and technicians to go over the troves of
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potential evidence and they say they could still take months to complete [Music]
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thank you thank you Sean Paul Schulte was the anxious parent you heard in the clip from KSL News
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there his daughter kylan age 24 had been out of touch for days this was totally unlike her but Sean Paul lived in
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Montana his daughter was missing in Utah hardly a hop skip in a jump away when Sean got worried he started calling
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people who knew kylan hoping to round some people up to get some help going to find his daughter both kylan and her
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wife Crystal were no call no shows at work two days in a row now which was unheard of from the young women when
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there was no trace of the women Sean Paul reported his daughter in Crystal missing to Moab police on the 16th of
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August the following day August 17 2021 the father of kylan Schulte posted a panicked message on Facebook that read
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kylan and Crystal are missing they must be in the silver KIA van because the black van and Harley are at McDonald's
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please help look for my girls or their Kia haven't been to work haven't called not in hospital not in Moab jail please
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have an ATL out little did the Frantic father know that by the time he posted this message it was far far too late so
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we have this situation here Captain where on the 16th of August he reports that his daughter and her wife are
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missing the following day is the 17th of August 2021 when he posts that frantic message to his Facebook now on this same
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day we're going to have him reaching out to persons that he knows in the area that know both of the girls to help him
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kind of keep an eye on things from afar and maybe somebody can find one or both of the girls who have been missing for
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some time now but unfortunately unfortunately what we would end up learning later is that a double murder
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had taken the life of his daughter and her partner this really began one of the most bizarre crimes in recent memory in
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the peaceful area of Moab Utah so on August 17th we have Sean who speaks with speaks via phone with Cindy
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Sue Hunter to check in Cindy was kylan's boss and also a longtime friend of both
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kylan and her wife Crystal Sean Paul knew her as well Cindy was a long time family friend Sean Paul Schulte was
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begging people in Utah to help find his Girls Sean Paul told Cindy that no one that he had talked to had seen kylan or
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Crystal and maybe up to three days and Cindy had some more bad news for him kylan had not shown up for work the day
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before on the 16th she assured him that she would personally go looking for the women and get back to him with some
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answers very soon so on August 18th Cindy goes over to the McDonald's where Crystal worked this is might be a little
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confusing but it's all quite simple actually Cindy is the boss for kylan she works at a business that is very near
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this McDonald's where Crystal worked and she knows both of the girls obviously and so she goes over to the McDonald's
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she's asking has Crystal been in since the last time we spoke the co-worker of Crystal tells
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Cindy no Crystal had not been to work that day the day before or in several days of course this is all a very bad
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sign not what Cindy was hoping to hear you know you know these girls are missing you're hoping that it's
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something simple you show up to the work and boom somebody says crystal is here or was here since you've last been here
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and just to put some perspective here kylan was 24 at the time and Crystal was 38 at this time and this is really bad
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news for Cindy because Crystal just didn't blow off work as a rule and remember Crystal's wife kylan worked for
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Cindy and kylan didn't just blow off work as well so these are neither of them had shown up for their shifts over
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the past few days and neither had called their employees for time off or for an excused absence there's no communication
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with either of the missing ladies and we know when someone goes missing there are
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unfortunately these natural progressions of things right at first you think oh this is simply a misunderstanding we
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just can't get in touch with that person especially when you're talking about an
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adult or in this case two adults and two adults that are pretty free-spirited people with that but that's why they're
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ages to me are important because if a two 18 year olds blew off work and maybe went you know on a vacation spree or
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something that that would make more sense but somebody that's 24 and somebody that's 38 is less likely to
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just leave their job and and leave their security just to go you know missing yeah and then you hear everyone saying
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that they're free-spirited ladies well free spirited or not these neither of them neither of these people miss work
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and that's one thing that we're told time and time again about each so the concern level is high of course yes it's
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Threat Level Midnight Cindy is trying to figure out what's going on so she goes out to the parking lot and notes the
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Ford Econoline van and the Harley motorcycle that we've that we already referenced from his Facebook post the
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father's Facebook post but the Ford Econoline van and the Harley motorcycle that belonged to Crystal and kylan were
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parked at the McDonald's parking lot right but only one of the ladies works at McDonald's correct right so so we
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have they have more than one vehicle they have this van they have the motorcycle and they have another vehicle
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they have a Kia so but it's pretty strange that two of the vehicles that they own are parked at one of their
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Works no actually this was not unusual at all the couple often left one or more of the vehicles in that's a public lot
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over there right and so they would comment they would commonly leave one or more of their vehicles in that public
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lot while they used another mode of transportation so that's why the father's saying well they must be in
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their Kia right because these two the Harley and the Econoline van are both parked at the McDonald's and in fact at
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times during the year they would live out of the larger van sometimes in these public Lots so while it's not so
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concerning because this is typical Behavior but you know that people are looking for them and when locating their
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vehicles and just seeing them sitting there sitting there for days your hope being
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you're hoping to find vehicles or any kind of lead to lead you to the people that are missing and these vehicles
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sitting there is of no help to to finding either girl well like you said they live out of the Econo line but is
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that their travel vehicle that I don't know right we have two people using three vehicles total they're they're
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living out of these Vans at some times of the year you kind of picture like a nomadic lifestyle right but they they've
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both worked at these jobs for a considerable amount of time right now so Cindy's still looking for the ladies she
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packed up some water snack supplies and her three dogs she gets into her car she
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drives out to LaSalle's which is a large mountain range that is a very popular hiking and camping destination this is
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just outside of Moab Sean Paul told Cindy his friend Cindy that the police had carried out some
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cursor researches of the mainstream campgrounds in lasalles but he knew that his daughter and her wife that they were
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known to camp in locations that were more off of the beaten path right so we need somebody to check these
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other locations that they might be camping at and Cindy told the times Independent Newspaper quote we had no
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idea where they were camped we didn't know where to look and Cindy was worried that maybe the women had been in some
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type of accident driven off the road and were stuck somewhere but needed help she had packed digging tools and
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blankets in her car just in case that scenario is one that she found them to be in she basically started driving
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around to some lesser-known campsites or places where people might Camp glancing
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at Ravines and ditches as she did and in case there were you know they were in a
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wreck somewhere well not only that but I mean there's there's hiking grounds there's there's places that like you
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said people go to camp and it could be they don't want to be missing they're not on vacation that they maybe they
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went somewhere to camp but they got into an accident or like you said a car accident or they went hiking and there
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was an accident when they were hiking and Cindy's saying hey while I'm out there I'm showing pictures of the women
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to everyone that I encounter but that's not a whole lot of people eventually heading toward the sand Flats
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Road at Lake Warner still looking for the girls this is where she says that she saw a flash of silver through the
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trees she saw a campsite down a little dirt side road and so she decided to park
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there she gets out and she recognized one of the vehicles shared by the women this was the Silver Kia mentioned in the
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Facebook post but there are no signs of life other than the pet rabbit named Ruth that Crystal and kylan took with
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them everywhere so the rabbit Ruth is still in her cage there's a tent set up but it appeared to
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be empty there's a makeshift rabbit shelter that was still in place so this would have been like some type of setup
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so that the they could let the rabbit out you know so she could be out of her cage but not run away right
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um Cindy pulled out her phone she calls the Grand County Sheriff's Office this is at 11 20 a.m this is
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after she told them that she had found the missing vehicle and they pinned her location so that they could dispatch
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officers to that location yeah but this is becoming pretty scary and serious we have two missing females
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but all their vehicles are accounted for now and their pet as well that they it said that they never left this pet alone
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so the officers are now enroute to that location Cindy's going to call Sean Paul to let
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him know that she found the Kia the missing vehicle with Sean Paul still on the phone she's walking around as one
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does you know both the captain and I are known to Pace quite a bit when we can be
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on on the phone especially when there's a lot going on and she is walking around
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this campsite as she's talking to Sean Paul on the phone bringing him up to speed on everything that she has just
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found and letting him know that the authorities are on their way out to this campsite I found their campsite I found
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their vehicle during this conversation unfortunately she sees something lying on the ground in the ditch which is next
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to the campsite this catches her eye and it was it was kylan she was laying in a
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water-filled ditch nude from the waist down riddled with bullet holes and clearly dead her arms and legs were were
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in a awkward position in awkward angles Cindy shrieked to Sean Paul that Kalyn was dead Sean
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Paul to his credit was like get back in your car roll up your windows now lock the doors now get out of there you need
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to get out of there Cindy told the later told the times independent that she got
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in her car and locked the doors and waited for the cops to arrive so we have these two missing ladies but who are
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they who are who is Kalyn and who is Crystal yes before we get too far into the the case in the investigation itself
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to to understand the story we need a little bit of background right so let's give some background here on crystal
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Michelle Turner and kylan Carol Schulte the women had met while kylan was on a hike with her father Sean Paul he later
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said that at the time kylan was depressed she had had a number of abusive relationships and was quote shut
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down down and even contemplated suicide then she meets her soul mate Crystal and
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so everything changed for her and he says she told me that moving to Moab saved her life according to her father
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the women were truly Kindred Spirits they both they both espoused a life devoid of material things and avoided
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being tied down to one place for this reason they didn't have a home base preferring what is known as the van life
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migrating from campground to Campground living out of tents or their Econoline converted to camper van
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and generally living off the grid in Moab and its surrounding areas they shared photos on Instagram with hashtag
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van life and hashtagwifelife they enjoyed flying around on their Harley and hanging out with a close group of
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artsy and similarly minded friends but mostly they enjoyed being together just the two of them so much so that
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they married in a tree house in Hot Springs Arkansas this is Crystal's Hometown they got married in April of
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2021. Kaelyn's family hailed from Billings Montana but her father spent some time in Moab which is how she came
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to meet Crystal and as you pointed out Captain Kailyn was only 24. when she was killed but
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Crystal was 38 and she had lived quite a bit before settling down with kylan she had three
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children of whom she lost custody due to addiction issues she had struggled with
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substance abuse for years but she seemed to have pulled herself together this thanks to the love and support of her
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relationship with kylan both kylands and Crystal's parents had seen their share of tragedy
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um we have a situation where sadly one of the parents had lost several children before these horrific murders took place
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once the two became a couple both Crystal and kylan seemed really happy and devoted to one another Crystal
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worked at the Moab McDonald's as we already said and kylan worked at the moonflower Community Co-op where she had
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been a cashier for four years there was no one who wished ill will upon the women who were just living their lives
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together in peace and harmony with nature when they were gunned down well like you were saying so they they're
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living it's not really a nomadic lifestyle because they're they do have a home base essentially is their van
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and they have a home base as far as the town goes and one or one of the ladies has a job for four years so we have some
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Roots there when the Grand County deputies arrived at the location where Cindy awaited them they saw kylan and
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then unfortunately they quickly found Crystal's body as well Crystal lie and the same condition as kylan details of
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where exactly Crystal lay in relation to kylan have not been released all we know
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is that she was nearby they had both been shot they let Cindy go after determining that she was not a suspect
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they asked her to take Ruth home the rabbit and later she said that Ruth drank four containers of water and ate
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an entire bowl of greens and innumerable carrots so this suggesting that the rabbit who
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was found in a cage likely had not been cared for in quite some time yeah possibly or I I don't know how feeding
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rabbits work but like with Frank he can give him treats and just keep giving him treats and he's
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going to keep eating as long as you keep giving him treats a news release on the
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Grand County Sheriff's Office Facebook page on August 19 2021 stated the following on August 18 2021 the Grand
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County Sheriff's Office was notified of two deceased females located in the South Mesa area of LaSalle Loop Road in
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Grand County Utah the two deceased individuals were transported to the medical examiner's office to determine
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the cause of death the preliminary investigation conducted by the medical examiner's office determined the cause
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of death to be from gunshot wounds investigators with the Grand County Sheriff's Office were able to determine
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the identities of the two deceased females as follows Crystal Michelle Turner age 38 Kalyn Carroll Schulte age
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24 the immediate families of the victims have been notified of their passing the
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Grand County Sheriff's Office would like to express our deepest sympathies and remorse to the victims families and
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friends at this time the Grand County Sheriff's Office is conducting an ongoing homicide investigation we are
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currently following up with any and all leads that come to our attention during this investigation and will continue to
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be available to people who come forward with information the Grand County Sheriff's Office believes there is no
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current danger to the public in the Grand County area foreign [Music] [Music] [Music]
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we are back cheers mates to the windows to the walls notice that the sheriff did
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not disclose right away the details cheers Cheers Cheers okay now now you can go
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that's the order I say we're back and then you cheers I don't know why you're looking at me funny cheers I noticed
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that the sheriff did not disclose right away the details of the killings that each woman was shot multiple times we
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now know more the wounds were located on the backs sides and or chest of the victims This was later stated in a
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warrant but it was immediately clear based on this release that the women had been shot by someone else this was not a
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murder suicide at this time the Grand County Sheriff's Office is conducting an ongoing homicide investigation for their
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words we now know that this was because no gun was found at the scene so immediately no gun we know that there
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has to be somebody out there with that gun somewhere per KUTV Sheriff Stephen White said it does not appear to be a
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murder suicide and investigators believe someone else killed the women in led the
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area we do think it was an outside party there has not been any Firearms recovered from that area at this time
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but the perplexing part of the release is the Grand County Sheriff's Office believes there is no current danger to
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the public in the Grand County area really no danger to the public what is this about
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expounding on that per WTKR Grand County Sheriff's Office Captain Shan hackwell said the evidence
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that we've gathered at this time that's what it's led us to believe was an isolated incident right an isolated
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incident how on Earth could they know that we don't know what they found at the scene or what the scene told them
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yeah this never makes sense to me we have two girls murdered in a park I mean this happened in Delphi two girls
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murdered in a park and we are not worried about the public safety it just doesn't make a lot of sense to me yeah
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this is very similar situation they're killed at a campsite and then we have you know there's a case out of Rocky
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River from a couple years ago double homicide at a park in the middle of the day broad daylight right no public no
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the general public that we saw that in the berry and honey Sherman case as well so it's very common but again we don't
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know what they found at the scene that indicated that to them if they did well they actually find a note from the
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killer that says oh by the way I I killed these two women and I only kill people I know so don't worry about it
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correct but I'm just going off of their words where they say the evidence that we gathered at this time that led us to
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that statement right of this being an isolated incident so using their words I'm simply pointing out we don't know
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what they found at the scene their words are that something found at the seam made that indication to them yeah so so
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I look when there's a killer on the loose there's a there's a a possible Danger this guy killed two people
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and if unless they caught him there's there's danger I don't know why they make that statement or both victims
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found in the same manner yes and so that's what I am looking at their words and and questioning the investigation I
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want to know what they're not telling us and so in many people did want to know what they may not be telling us what did
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they see that they're not telling us so to examine this for a little bit many people at the time wondered whether
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there was some kind of evidence that this was a hate crime right something found at the crime scene that indicated
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that the murders were either personal or some form of hate crime because the the
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ladies were gay the State medical examiner conducted autopsies on the women and concluded that the women were
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each shot multiple times and that shell casings and bullet fragments found at the scene were consistent with the
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wounds and evidence collected from the bodies of Crystal and kylan furthermore while the sheriff didn't address this at
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the time we know know that kylan and Crystal were both found naked from the waist down of course all of our
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listeners and all of our true crime Minds go right to sexual assault and that would be a possible motive for
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the murder some depraved Predator targeting the women for his own perverse satisfaction and then killing them to
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prevent the discovery or killing them so that he can he or they can get away with
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it right but what's weird here is again based off of the words of the investigators even
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though that's what looks like may have happened it doesn't appear that that is what happened this per KSL news it says
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Grand County Sheriff's Captain Shan hackwell said Thursday he did not know if the women were sexually assaulted
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hackwell said detectives are still waiting for final reports and tests to be returned from the Utah Office of the
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medical examiner and State Crime Lab but a January 2022 press release from the sheriff's
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office would later State well and clearly State there was no sign of forcible sexual assault of either victim
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right so what the murderer could have done is it could have been a hate crime and but if I stage it as a sexual
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assault or sexually motivated crime then it kind of throws off the public throws
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off law enforcement onto who I I could be the identity of the murderer yes exactly and there there's I think that
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it's not clear based off of the information that they release at the crime scene what the motive would in
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fact be now right to me it's really curious that they go out of their way to use the word forcible
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in their statement there was no sign of forcible sexual assault to either victim
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so why why is that forcible word in there what based off of law right the state of Utah does that matter because
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we've and I'm not going to go down this road because I'm very confident that some of the victims family members will
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probably be listening to this and so I don't want to go down a road of speculation where it's not really
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necessary but just before we move on from that we have seen other cases there was a case and and Maryland that we
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covered where there were things that the crime scene that indicated to police that yes some type of
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assault that was sexual nature may have occurred but it wasn't force it wasn't forcible
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sexual assault and that's what that was their words at the time because the victim had already
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been killed so you know without dancing around that too much more um way to paint a picture there well so
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let's talk about the area the location where this all went down Moab Utah is a largely unspoiled Natural
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Area with a small town of 5200 surrounded by incredible National Park land it is a mecca for mountain bikers
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campers hikers and tourists but it remains uncommercialized and Untamed that's perfect for hashtag van life the
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LaSalle's range where the girls were camping now Captain it seems like they lived in
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the van in the winter or the colder months and camped in the summertime so the lasalles range where the girls were
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camping is the second highest range in Utah the campsite set up by Crystal and Kailyn where they were killed was not a
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designated campsite where one signs in with a ranger and is assigned a numbered site this is what is
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called dispersed camping okay so you you find a spot that you like they found a spot next to a drainage ditch and put up
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a tent this is allowed as long as it's on public property which there's was so no charge right to be specific their car
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and tent were found in the South Mesa area of LaSalle Loop Road off FR 4651 SS Mesa Road estimates are that it
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was about a 30 minute drive from Moab which again is pretty remote seems like a very interesting and adventurous life
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that they were living and as said their campsite was not an official one but being next to a stream some shade this
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was a good spot for them right so it looks to observers at the scene as though Crystal and kylan might have been
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in the process of packing up to leave to leave that site and move on to another one and we're basing this off of
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the rabbit Ruth was in her travel carrier with no food or water and we also know that the women had been
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missing for days a few days by the time that they are actually located Cindy mentioned that they were full there were
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full Gatorade bottles that were found on the ground at the crime scene some were
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missing labels and it was her thought that this site to me looks like they were in the process
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of packing up and had been interrupted at some point so the police searched that area they're
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processing their crime scene they later release a press release that states the Grand County Sheriff's office
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immediately secured the site and spent the next several days processing the scene they searched the irrigation ditch
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both before and after draining the ditch by shutting off the water to the ditch evidence collected at the scene included
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the victim's tent and personal belongings inside and outside the tent their vehicle they found blood shell
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casings bullet fragments and video evidence from nearby properties within two days the scene was released and
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according to someone on websleuths sorry I don't mean to chuckle but you can't make some of this stuff up it's okay
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you're known for laughing at funny things the scene is released in two days and according to somebody on web sluice
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there were tourists camping in that same spot two days later that had no idea that this horrific event took place
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right so but you're saying that they were able to get surveillance footage from local residents
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and and there might have been possibly trail cams around these campgrounds that was one of the things that they were
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they were looking for and yes we're in the process of collecting there was a large Ranch about a half mile away from
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the scene this is the Whispering Oaks Ranch and we'll get into the timeline here in a bit but I think it's
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pronounced the whisper but even early on police knew that the women were likely killed over the
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weekend the ranch was hosting a wedding that weekend with about a hundred guests
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and according to locals posting online there is a direct line of sight from some areas of the ranch compound that
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overlooked the crime scene area specifically a lodge with a pavilion had anyone at the ranch seen or heard
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anything is what police wanted to know gunshot sounds would easily travel that distance in this location sheriff's
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deputies had to Canvas everyone at the wedding after obtaining the guest list from the host they were looking for
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Witnesses they were looking for photo evidence sometimes people are taking photos and they capture something in the
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background of a photo they were looking for videos you know weddings a place that a lot of people will take a quick
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video they wanted anything that would help them to shed some light on what happened to these two women yeah or
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social media post one complicating Factor here captain that could have compromised the crime scene was that in
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the days before Crystal and kylan were found there was bad reportedly bad weather in the area right this is from a
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a podcast interview with one of the victim's father Sean Paul the host asked do you know if there was any DNA
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fingerprints or even tire tracks that were found at the scene he's asking about evidence and Sean Paul says no
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tire tracks I can tell you no on that same as boot tracks or footprints and he goes on to say that this is
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because they weren't found until five days of rain and hail so after five days of rain and hail and then as far as
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other evidence goes Captain Sean Paul posted on Facebook their evidence is on a complete total lockdown they won't
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tell me anything at all about DNA fingerprints gun ballistics any of it they're super tight-lipped about it well
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one thing I think law enforcement has going for them and and then the loved ones of these ladies is that they did
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have three vehicles and they would move around these vehicles and basically like
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you were saying storing the vehicles in a public spot where people would be able
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to see those so we'd have at least eyewitnesses of you know the girls and their actions and the the actions of
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these vehicles so let's dive into um kylan and Crystal's timeline yeah police are now trying to figure out what
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were the last steps of the women trying to nail down when exactly they were killed so we know that they were found
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on the 18th and they were believed to have been dead for a few days at that time
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when had they last been seen that's what we want to know well there was some confusion but it
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sounds like investigators eventually settled on a date of Friday the 13th and they have a specific event on that
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day too this takes place at Woody's Tavern and Moab this is from the following is from The Daily Beast that
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reported the couple who got married in April they're talking about our two missing and then later found murdered
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women were semi-regular customers at Woody's Tavern in Moab said bar manager Arielle
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Beck they weren't big drinkers said Beck explaining that they came in maybe once
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or twice a month they showed up at the bar around 6 p.m on Friday August 13th and left around 9pm
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she went on to say that she didn't see anyone but a Kayla borza and another friend speak to Schulte and that that
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night nobody followed them out the door when they left she goes on to say that they left around 8 30 p.m well there's
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more of that story and and a possible lead from that story so it sounds to me Captain that the knights events were
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pretty much like this Crystal and kylan they're going to meet up with their friend Kayla borza and another friend
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and they're going to spend a couple hours having some casual drinks and catching
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up shooting the breeze right and actually The Daily Beast has surveillance footage uh you know silent
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video footage that you can see of all of the girls sitting and talking and laughing it
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looks like a typical very typical Friday evening Friday night kind of hangout situation but it's what the women told
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Kayla that stood out to investigators later now the surveillance video obtained by The Daily Beast shows a
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slain Utah couple at a local Tavern the night before they disappeared laughing and chatting with friends to whom they
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complained about a quote weirdo camping near them in the wilderness and the friend goes on to say we were
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just having a great time having a couple drinks and all they said was there was a
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creep staying next to them Caleb borza was one of the last people to see kylan Schulte age 24 and Crystal Beck age 38
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alive and she says and that was it borza said that the women didn't seem overly frightened they were more just
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discussing the creepy guy kind of laughing about it but there is indication that after that the women
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became increasingly distressed about the creep the following is from ksl.com they
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had a review of some of the documents that were filed by law enforcement Captain this is from a search warrant
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affidavit filed in the 7th District Court that says the women were last seen on Friday August 13 about 8 30 p.m
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leaving Woody's Tavern on Main Street in Moab they drove to a campsite in the LaSalle mountains at some point during
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the weekend friends say the women called to inform others that they were moving to a different campsite because of a
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weirdo nearby who was quote freaking them out investigators were informed that kylan
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had mentioned to her friends that if something happened to them they were murdered
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Thailand had continued by saying there was a creepy man around their camp and they had been intimidated by him
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there are some reports that there are texts from one or both of the women's phones saying that the creep was camping
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near them and was making them uncomfortable and they were thinking of moving and we really don't know whether they
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did move since we only know where they were found not where they had started out right but clearly there was a man in
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the woods or in the area whom the woman could see and possibly even interacted with who was quote creeping them out and
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kylan had even gone so far to joke about being murdered to her friend but the other issue is packing up and unpacking
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look very similar that is true that's absolutely true so the way that I I don't know the full details of this man
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who's creeping them out other than what they stated here yeah the only other story that I heard was
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that one of the knights they this is after Dark they are not in their tent sleeping they
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are on a hammock and I I'm guessing that they were awake or something startled one of them to to
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to wake them up but the way that that story goes is that at some point on one of the nights they're in the hammock and
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they see the man like walking through their campsite now I didn't get any better description of that you know did
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they see him like look in their tent or looking at their you know going through their objects
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their items or or anything at their campsite from the way that The Story Goes is he was unaware
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that they were in the hammock that he likely thought that they were still in their tents right but they have
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this vehicle and they have their tents out and it's obviously that they have their space
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it's also obvious that there's a lot of space around them so for him to even walk that close even close to their
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campsite is kind of a No-No when you're camping yes yeah exactly this is this is
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not a spot if if in fact they're having these problems at the spot that they're later found
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this is not a place that they're surrounded by other campers that you would you would almost be forced to walk
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through somebody's campsite right like you said it's obvious they're camping there it would be obvious to not walk
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through somebody's campsite now when this story first broke everyone assumed that the women were killed at their
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campsite Friday night after returning from Woody's Tavern they had talked about moving their campsite to their
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friend that night and for From The Scene It looked as though they were getting ready to pack up or were in the middle
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of packing up but as the captain say it says and I agree packing up and unpacking look very similar the middle
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of the night seems like the logical time however for the murder out in the open but this was not disclosed until January
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of 2022. investigators narrowed down the date of the double murder to be that of
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Saturday the 14th and I know it's a remote area I mean it's a campsite I mean by definition it's a remote area
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but you would think that somebody would have heard these gunshots because there was multiple gunshots fired and
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that just may be the case so when we learn of investigators narrowing down the date of the double
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murder to Saturday the 14th the way that that works is that a private investigator working pro bono with Sean
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Paul with one of the victims fathers appeared on a show called closing arguments with Vinnie politan on the
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court TV network the private investigator his name is Jason Jensen shared some new information stating that
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investigators were now focusing in on late morning the late morning of Saturday the 14th the day after the
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women were seen at Woody's Tavern stating that rumors that there were rumors that at 11 35 a.m there were
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gunshots and screams that were heard Jensen said that he got his information from a quote reliable source saying that
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they meaning the authorities had audio of the shooting with the sounds of gunshots and screams reported at 11 35
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on the morning of August 14th which is that Saturday so after that segment aired the Grand County Sheriff's Office
00:47:59
did confirm this they came forward and reported to ABC 4 news saying yes we do have audio recordings from the area with
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some gunshots on August 14th but they go on to say I am not going to say the specific time but let's say it
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was in the AM we can't specifically say if those gunshots are related to our homicide so the officer would not
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address whether the screams were heard and he would not elaborate on how they possibly had or acquired these audio
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recordings in the first place we can speculate it could have been somebody at the wedding a half mile away recording
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something and the shots are captured on their audio right which would give you the time yeah or did the phone that was
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found at the scene did it possibly contain audio no one was saying at the time but of course this is
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very a very intriguing development to this investigation because if Jensen is correct then there
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were gunshots at 11 35 a.m meaning that the women were killed in public and broad daylight this does change things
00:49:12
it makes it a much more Brazen crime a more likely you know more likely that there would have been a tourist dash cam
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or some kind of sighting of a vehicle speeding away from the area this might help with
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potentially more ear Witnesses or eyewitnesses to somebody fleeing the area so we have eyewitnesses and friends
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that saw them at Woody's Tavern the night before but it seems like we have some evidence
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that they also woke up that next morning and probably went into town for something and then came back before they
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were viciously murdered right so this is this is expanding on the idea that it's
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not just the audio of these gunshots at 11 35 am that might be leading investigators to believe that they were
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killed on the morning of the 14th and so this last little bit of information was
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uncovered by the private investigators stating that the women had driven back into town and had ridden their
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motorcycle around so and then parking it back at the McDonald's before hopping in the Kia and
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going out to wherever they were camping at the time and so the investigator goes
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on to say that they were seen because they were pulled over they had a light-hearted conversation they were
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bragging that uh Kalyn learned how to drive the motorcycle so this is it seems like it's a little bit of an
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unconfirmed sighting but it would seem pretty official if they were pulled over and had some kind of conversation with
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someone from law enforcement right so just to recap here quickly Captain the women were at Woody's Tavern on Friday
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night until about 8 30 or so and then they presumably returned to their campsite the next morning they went into
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town this is unconfirmed by law enforcement they must have returned to the campsite where they were killed at
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11 35 am by an unknown person at least this is what we think happens foreign [Music]
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