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able to retrace Susan lyall's last steps leading up to her disappearance and I'm
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going to give that an A minus there Captain we did a pretty darn good job we also discussed her boyfriend rich in
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some questionable activities regarding him and his possibility of being maybe a suspect being involved in her
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disappearance well not just his actions but the actions of his family as well Mommy and Daddy are weird
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now before we get into some other potential suspects let's get into another case that made Suzie's case feel
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like deja vu in 1985 13 years earlier a young Sunny Albany student named Karen Wilson
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vanished she was last seen on the same Central Avenue where the Stewart's convenience store was located near
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Colony Place a shopping mall 2.4 miles from the campus Karen purchased some clothing at the
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mall that day and while she had an appointment at the tanning Hut she was not seen there so she was scheduled to
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go tanning no one says that she ever made it to this appointment the last known sighting of Karen was at 7:20 p.m.
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it is believed that she decided to walk back to campus and was abducted near the
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entrance ramp to I90 according to our friends over at the Charlie project a strange man was seen
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in the area but neither Karen nor any of her personal possessions have ever been
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found and a little freaky piece of information Karen Wilson lived in the same dorm building as Susy the colonial
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quad dorm Karen is still missing to this day well we see it a lot of times with college students going missing go back
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to the Brian schaer case and then you know not that far away and not that many years away does Joey leuk go missing as
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well and with these people that just seem to vanish Into Thin Air because you have so many questions it's so easy for
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us to sit on our computers and Link them together because there's not a whole lot
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of details of the why or how was this person abducted or why did they go missing in the first place right now
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let's fast forward to 2013 because police were looking at a 54-year-old man named Anthony Collins Collins attempted
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to abduct two Sunny college students at knife point he approached one of these young women at the CDTA bus stop on the
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sunny Albany Downtown Campus area early in the morning this would be 7:55 a.m. and he threatened her with a knife to
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her back another student saw what was going on and got involved somehow distracted the attacker and this young
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woman thankfully was able to get away but at that same bus stop about 40 minutes later this same man attempted a
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second abduction hey when the first one doesn't work out let's just stick around
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and find somebody else right A Double piece of [ __ ] there you go so he attempted a second abduction this time
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without a knife and Anthony Collins was identified after police reviewed surveillance footage and charged him
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with second degree attempted kidnapping according to the Times Union paper quote
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police are looking into the possibility however remote that Collins could have been involved in the disappearances of
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Albany students Suzanne Lyle in 1998 and Karen Wilson way back in 1985 but eventually police said that
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they had not been able to establish any link whatsoever between Collins who is diagnosed schizophrenic and either of
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those unsolved cases well here's the problem though is like we said there's so many young students in a small radius
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these predators that are looking for that type of victim they know where to go yep it's a it's what you would call
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kind of a high-risk area just because you're around a whole lot of people right you know when Ted bunny wanted to
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abduct someone he went to college campuses he went to the lake where it was just packed that day it was easy to
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find a victim amongst a whole big crowd of people but also what's different though too is you you go to the suburbs
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you have people that are normally on a more set schedule where these students their schedules are constantly changing
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and their whereabouts are constantly changing so by them going missing I think it
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takes a little longer for people to even notice when they're gone mhm that's true
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two other suspects have been mentioned as possibilities in connection with Suzie's case now to be clear these names
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have not been mentioned by law enforcement rather both suspects are theoretical ones named in podcast which
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have delved into 's case one of these we have already mentioned the upstate unsolved the other is True Crime
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[ __ ] the first of these potential suspects is a guy named John rean John rean was a 48-year-old son of a
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prominent and affluent family in Waterberry Connecticut John's wife Ruth was a Catholic school teacher John
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himself he was a traveling salesman for a roofing and sighing company John and Ruth were popular and
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well-liked but in 2004 old Johnny was arrested after cornering a young female coworker in his parents empty house he
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restrained her and tried to sexually assault her somehow she managed to get away this was a huge scandal in the area
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at the time because John was a pretty regular dude he was a a soccer dad a golfing buddy to many people in the area
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a real neighborhood type of guy this was just the tip of the iceberg 11 years earlier in 1993 a
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neighbor of John reagins a working wife and mother named Donna Paloma was home on Friday night asleep her kids were
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also asleep her husband was away on a very rare trip to color colado Donna woke to find a man straddling her back
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he put a pillowcase over her head and tied nylon stockings over it covering her mouth and then around her neck and
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restraining her arms and legs the man wore gloves and a mask he cut off her clothes and he raped her when he was
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done he held a gun to her Temple and he told her that if she called the police he come back and he would kill her she
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did not recognize his voice when she heard him leave the terrified woman realized that the phone lines were cut
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she tried to call for help nothing happened yeah very BTK right on she locked the front door
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and ran to her husband's cousin's house which was nearby to call the police this
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cousin ran to Donna's house with an axe to guard the children while she was at his house calling for help Donna went to
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the hospital that night and of course they did a rape kit but DNA extracted from it was not matched to any known
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offenders keep in mind again this is 1993 right and the police this is this is like double sad this woman is is
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violently attacked in her own home a terrifying humiliating experience and then on top of that the
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police were not so great in this situation [ __ ] there you go yeah that's what they call not so great people they chose
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not to believe Donna in fact they accused her of lying because they're they're questioning you know what is the
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likelihood that this happened on the one night that her husband was out of town they suggested that she was having an
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affair and was trying to cover it up I suggest for every male out there that doesn't understand um sexual assaults or
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or or rape claims to watch I know it's a drama but you could learn a lot from the show unbelievable
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and just the process in which females have to go through to report these assaults and and how many times they're
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not believed uh by family members friends and the system yeah and where my mind goes with this group of guys would
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be you know were their wives cheating on them is that why their mind went to that
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immediately I have I have no idea I don't understand why they wouldn't believe a woman who ran to someone
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else's home to call for help I mean seems bizarre to not give her the benefit of every doubt you could
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possibly have also send one of your family members with an axe yeah to to guard your children I mean yeah he
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clearly believed her so it was an agonizing few years for this victim for Donna as her case stalled because the
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police did not seem to exhibit any interest really in pursuing it I mean they they told her they didn't believe
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her so in 2001 now Donna she's pretty kickass right she filed a civil suit claiming that the water B Police
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Department did not do their job good for her on a with a tape of her interview session with the Waterberry police
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police department where they accused her of making the whole thing up this tape now that she's taken them to court
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magically disappears right but the jury believed Donna anyway and she won her suit against the police department yet
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her rape case still sat dormant with no arrest this was until John Reagan was arrested in 2004 for the assault on his
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coworker and his DNA was found to be a match to that of the rapist of Donna 11 years earlier the news was incredible to
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everyone because she and her husband were friends with the Reagans right close friends they attended each other's
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weddings in fact John rean knew that Donna's husband was going to be out of town that night that's why he knew to
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break into the home yeah sicko so in 2004 this John Reagan he was arrested first for the attempted attack on his
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coworker he's released on $25,000 Bond but was again arrested when Weeks Later his DNA came back to link
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him to that 1993 rape unfortunately the statute of limitations had expired on Donna's rape case so all
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JN could be charged with on her case was kidnapping he pled not guilty and was released on
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$350,000 bail oo yeah big spender better get a better job I hope you got some good income somebody was able to make
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that bail he spent more than a year awaiting trial and in the meantime time well he managed to rack up some more
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charges in the fall of 2005 he dropped off a role of film to be developed at a Walgreens the film
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processor guy well he was a pretty smart dude and he recognized John rean from the local news so he thought I better
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take an extra look at these photos that John dropped off he's either a smart guy
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or he was a sicko himself well I'm going to go with smart good upstanding citizen
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because these were not loving shots of family scenes one that people would expect to see no instead these were
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clearly surveillance style photos of women going about their everyday activities who did not know that they
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were being photographed so Waterberry police worked to charge John rean with stalking but as
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they were putting together their case something else happened in 200 by John traveled back and forth between
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Waterberry and a property owned by his family in Saratoga Springs New York he was living there and working as a
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handyman when the following occurred on Halloween a 17-year-old nationally ranked track star at Saratoga Springs
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High School named Lindsay Ferguson returned her car at the conclusion of the afternoon practice next next to the
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driver's side of her vehicle a van was parked so close that she had to like you know like turn to the side and kind of
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squeeze her way in so that she could enter her vehicle yeah the incident was described in a New York Times article it
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said Saratoga Springs police said she came back to her car after track practice there was a blue gray van
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parked next to her she was putting some things in the back seat feet and she heard the van's sliding door open a man
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grabbed her around the Torso and mouth and tried to drag her into the van she was able to get her mouth free and she
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started screaming for help Lindsay thought for a fleeting moment you know because it's Halloween that maybe this
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was some kind of prank but obviously very quickly it became apparent that it was not she fought kicking and screaming
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good for her and attracted the attention of her coaches they ran over and one of the track coaches
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confronted this guy the attacker gets back into his van Clos the door and now he drives off another coach began
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chasing the vehicle calling the police on his cell phone as he ran telling them exactly where the van was heading and
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telling the license plate number at the same time it's one fast guy running after this van well it's a track coach
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right right police pulled over the van and one of the officers is questioning the driver the driver
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assured the officer that it was all just a misunderstanding his partner is snooping
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around and looking inside the van at the same time and this is this guy this officer finds that the rear re seats of
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the van have been removed in the large space in the back they found a spread out tarp a rope that was pre-tied with
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slip knots booze a saw a shovel photography equipment construction tools and a syringe that was that contained a
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sedative the man arrested that day driving the van was John Reagan oh he had to get all of his crimes in before
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he went to jail well the I think the other thing that here that's so scary is it's obvious whatever this guy was up to
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or whatever he wanted to do he couldn't stop himself even though he's already facing charges and like you said maybe
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he's so damn addicted to this or he so entrenched in these fantasies that he has right that he's got to live one more
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time before they put him behind bars right this is why this type of crime there should be no
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bail because it's you know that uh addiction or drive I mean we've seen it we saw it with Bundy we saw a guy that
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seemed to be very calculated turn into a wild animal uh when he was on the on the
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run now also found in the van were photos of other young women including the young coworker that John had
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assaulted in Connecticut God so it turned out that there was proof that John had not seized Lindsay in a
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simple crime of opportunity he had been stalking her he was found to have looked
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her this is the Young track student or track star he had had photographs of her and it was found that he had looked her
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up on his computer and taken pictures of her beforehand he had targeted her and it had been fing her for an unknown
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amount of time John Reagan was not not able to get bail this time there you go Captain he was charged in Saratoga
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County with attempted kidnapping while in Saratoga Springs jail he tried to commit suicide by attempting to hang
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himself oh I wish he would have been better at that well they should have just had the guards help him out right
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hey what are you trying to do in there okay no tiean not this way get get this man some better sheets yeah he was
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transferred to the central New York Psychiatric Center near udica to await trial meanwhile his connected family
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remember he comes from a a good family uh successful family they hired a powerful Hartford lawyer to represent
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him now after Reagan was arrested in 2005 a 50-year-old woman came forward and reported that at a Memorial Day
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picnic way back in 1981 rean restrained her in his vehicle in an Alleyway and assaulted her in his
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vehicle she said she knew Rian she knew his father his father was her dentist she said that she never reported the
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incident because she was embarrassed in May of 2006 John rigan pled guilty to Second
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deegree attempted kidnapping of Lindsay Ferguson he was sentenced to 12 years in
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prison in New York state in October of that same year here remember this guy's getting charged with all kinds of stuff
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he's in court again this time in Connecticut on the kidnapping and unlawful restraint and stalking charges
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he was not required to admit his guilt at this trial but he did acknowledge that the prosecutors had enough evidence
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for a conviction the old no contest plea I'm guessing the agreed upon sentence in
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Connecticut was for 15 years to be served concurrently with the New York term after John Ran's arrest in 2005 for the
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attempted abduction of Lindsay Ferguson investigators in Connecticut New York and Massachusetts as well as the FBI
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started digging into Reagan to see if they could link him to any other crimes two of these were the unsolved murders
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of Mildred alvaredo and Karen everick this these are sex workers who were strangled to death in Harington in 1988
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and 1989 both of these victims were known to police to work in an area that was one
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mile from Regan's house oh my God but investigators suspect that rean operated on a much wider scope too as an
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interstate traveling salesman remember he's a traveling salesman this for a company called ABC Supply
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well he had access to a wide range of locations where he could have committed rapes and or murders all right now that
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was a long tangent so what does this POS what the captain likes to say piece of [ __ ] John ran have to do with Suzanne
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Lyall when he was arrested in Saratoga Springs the ly very smart parents asked the police to revisit Susie's case to
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see if he could be responsible to see if anything ties him to su's case there are
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some let's say circumstantial evidence let's go through some of this here Regan's family property in Saratoga
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Springs the town where he tried to abduct Lindsay Ferguson the track star was near the sunny Albany campus it was
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roughly a 30m drive okay Susie had mentioned to her coor worker that she thought that she was
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being stalked and she didn't know who the guy was mhm remember Reagan was known to stalk and photograph his
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eventual victims yeah what did I just say about Predators if you're going to go fish you go to the pond with the most
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fish that's right so he could have spotted Susie at the mall or spotted her walking from the bus or at the bus stop
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at any time and fixated it on her yeah Susie told her Co worker that while she didn't know who the guy was she was not
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afraid of him th this is all a very weird but again we got the soccer dad right and as said earlier I mean John
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ran was known to be he's a friendly guy he was well liked by the people that didn't know what he was really up to he
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was an outgoing dude and and if she ever made eye contact with him he might have
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smiled and that might have been just enough where she's like okay this guy's a little strange but not that worried
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about it well maybe that's how he locked in on her right maybe he came in contact
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with her maybe he spoke to her at the store where she worked at the mall and then started secretly following her and
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observing her routines and decided to snatch her after she got off the bus that night did did you say where they
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found the sex workers at um I did not but they were known to work within a mile of his home I don't know that they
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really have anything other than that linking him to those possible cases right it sounds to me like both those
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cases went cold very quickly and they didn't have a whole lot in the way of leads but we also see a pattern of him
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not being able to control these urges exactly this is something he these urges are in control of him yeah the 2005
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attempted abduction of Lindsay Ferguson looks very much like the work of a seasoned abductor or maybe even a
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seasoned killer the materials I mean think about the materials found in his van and the amount of
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preparation that he had to go to a lot of that doesn't seem to indicate that this was his first time in fact we know
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that it wasn't he's broken into somebody else's home raped her in her home and now he's coming very well prepared to
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kidnap assault and do whatever else he decides to do should he get that poor girl into his van well he's so arrogant
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that he believes he can get away with it it doesn't matter who it doesn't matter
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even even if you know him even if he's a close friend of yours and some say that
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he was known to spend time in the area near the campus where Suzanne disappeared now in a terrifying recent
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development John rean remember he got concurrent sentences is not a good thing for
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anybody he was released from prison in October of 2019 3 years earlier can anybody explain
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to me why there's a statue of limitations on rape charges um I don't believe that there is
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today I believe that that has changed um I'd have to look that up and it might vary state by state but I think that
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that is something that changed in the late '90s I I don't have that information right in front of me
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especially like in this case we have definitive evidence that he's guilty of this right so I I would not I just don't
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understand doesn't make any sense um he is subject to postrelease supervision until the year
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2024 he is apparently living in the Saratoga Springs area of Massachusetts and working as a skydiving instructor so uh
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any female listeners in that area should be particularly careful yeah when you're
00:30:10
a skydiving instructor you're strapped to the person's back so you have this creepo strapped to your back what a way
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mates tall cans in the air my friends the other possible suspect in a stranger Abduction of suie Lyle is serial killer
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Israel keys keys has taken on a reputation of almost mythical proportions he is as we like to say the
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catchall killer Herman Webster mudget AKA HH holes and the Ed Wayne Edwards fit this category as well
00:33:27
he is just the newest amongst these three where if this guy was alive and out at the time and we have an unsolved
00:33:34
murder this is somebody you should look at so I find that to be well really just
00:33:41
stupid to be honest with you I don't follow the old suspect zero Theory way of thinking very much but Keys is an
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interesting possibility in this scenario all right so why is that well before we
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get too far along I do want to point out that Keys has it's been floated out there that he is a suspect by the
00:34:04
followers of such cases as Jennifer kessie Russell and Shirley durman and Mara Murray all cases which we have
00:34:13
covered now this is because Israel was a notoriously cunning devious killer who left very little to no trace of his
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crimes it's very likely that he's responsible for who knows how many murders but in the case of Susie Lyall there are
00:34:30
some actual links between the two that could point to Israel Keys being involved now to say that Israel Keys was
00:34:38
a methodical and calculating killer is like saying that Albert Einstein was a bright guy some of you have heard of the
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kill kits that Keys buried around the country in preparation for crimes he would commit much later sometimes he
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would fly to cities across the us then rent a car and drive a th000 miles to find a victim to kill he would select
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victims that suited him at random the ultimate crimes of opportunity as a result his crimes are almost impossible
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to pin down with in regards to Susie ly well when Keys was arrested the FBI spent months interrogating keys there
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are over 40 hours of videotaped interviews with keys many of which are available for viewing on the FBI's
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website now to say that he was interrogated isn't really the right word the FBI agents sucked up to keys in
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every manner bringing him treats like cigars and bagels and doing him favors it's gross but it worked kind of keys
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only told them just as much as he wanted and then he committed suicide in his cell in 2012 leaving investigators to
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try to piece together the rest but here is what we know about keys he is believed to have killed approximately 11
00:36:04
people again no one really knows for sure how many victims he really had he claims his first abduction was in 1997
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when he kidnapped and raped a teenage girl who was whitewater rafting on the dutes River in Oregon Israel let her go
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and said later that he had lost his nerve about killing her this is believed to have been his first actual attempt to
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carry out his murderous fantasies he told the FBI that he had been quote two different
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people for 14 years the experts who have spent years studying Israel agree that it is very likely that this means his
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first successful murder was in 1998 this is also the year that suie Lyall vanished he claims to not have
00:36:54
successfully killed anyone though for a few years after the dutes river abduction no one really seems to believe
00:37:03
this Israel Keys owned property in Constable New York this was a 10 acre parcel of a rundown house on popper
00:37:14
street that he purchased in 1997 okay so this puts him in the state of New York within a year of this young
00:37:25
woman going missing right he was staying at this location during the time period
00:37:31
in which Suzie was taken this is about 200 miles from the spot where she was abducted so it's
00:37:38
still a good deal of distance but we can put him in the same state Israel Keys was known to be very familiar with the
00:37:48
area and spent quite a bit of time there he would later go on to rob a bank in Tupper Lake New York in 20
00:37:58
9 Keys told investigators that one of the ways he planned his murders and to elude detection was to commit the
00:38:06
Abduction the murder and the disposal all in three different states Albany New York is very close to the borders of
00:38:16
each of Massachusetts and Vermont MH seems like a uh preferred location for this man and there is a good chance that
00:38:27
he was in the area of the Suny Albany campus in March of 1998 well like you said he also traveled quite a bit so A
00:38:37
Thousand Mile Drive when he's saying that's not that far for him to drive um you know two 200 miles isn't that far
00:38:46
right and we have a witness who says she can put him in that area in the month that Susie disappeared so this woman who
00:38:56
was in attorney for the US state department spoke with the FBI after Keys was arrested in
00:39:03
2012 she said that she recognized him from an incident when she was loading packages into her car outside of a
00:39:11
Marshall's department store in Albany this in March of 1998 she says a young man with wavy dark
00:39:19
hair who she described as looking like Beaker from The Muppets approached her and they had a very bizarre encounter
00:39:29
with this man she said that this incident was unnerving to her and she would never forget it so when she saw
00:39:36
Israel on the news years later she says she was 100% certain that it was he who she spoke with that night recognizing
00:39:47
both his face and she says his voice seeing the video was traumatic for her because she remembered keys so clearly
00:39:57
the marshals in Albany is across the street from the Army Recruitment Center where a few months later Israel Keys
00:40:05
would enlist in the Army the Marshall store and the Army Recruitment Center are both on Central Avenue the same
00:40:13
street that the Stewart's convenience store where Suzie's ATM card was used just 2 miles down the
00:40:21
road so this all really puts it seems very likely that this man Israel Keys may have been in this area that month
00:40:32
right I find it and it's a huge coincidence that he en enlist in the Army at the recruitment center across
00:40:39
the street from this Marshall store cuz at first I was like am I supposed to believe this woman who says years
00:40:45
earlier she recognized this guy right but it's right across the street from the Marshall's parking lot that she's
00:40:53
claiming she was at talking to Beaker yeah yeah and and then top that off with she's an officer of the Court she's a
00:41:01
you know an attorney with the US state department so she's got some credibility and it seems like the FBI they believe
00:41:09
her to be credible well it seems like he's also planning out his disposals of the body maybe more so than
00:41:18
a lot of killers so I wouldn't suspect that he would dispose of bodies on on property that he owned but do you know
00:41:26
if they've searched that property that much I believe that this property has been searched a good deal he would have
00:41:34
been and look I don't like to Champion these guys um I don't like to Pat him on the back we just called him Beaker so
00:41:41
Keys would have been too smart to bury somebody on his property right he just would have done that I don't think it's
00:41:48
smart I think it's there was a discipline there well one thing that he's doing that is very that shows his
00:41:56
level of preparedness and his level is discipline as you say is it's clear to me that in several occasions of his
00:42:05
crimes that he is choosing the disposal site before he's choosing a victim right
00:42:11
which is in complete opposite order that a lot of other criminals carry out this
00:42:16
type of behavior he loves the randomness of the victim one for his own enjoyment
00:42:24
but two so that he is not detected yeah but maybe there's also a thrill there as
00:42:32
well right his own enjoyment yeah where it's like that's part of his sick fantasy is that he I got a plan where
00:42:42
I'm going to dispose of the body I have to plan all these things out and once that is planned out now I just have to
00:42:50
find the victim and that's I think part of part of his sick game where we see in
00:42:59
Reagan's case part of his sick game is stalking them and taking pictures of them and understanding their movements
00:43:09
yeah it seems that Keys enjoys the it's like it's like a a video game right you know when you play a level on that game
00:43:17
for the first time what your ultimate goal is you don't know what you're going to encounter along the way he knows what
00:43:25
the end result is the end result that he wants he loves the thrill of the uncontrolled unexpected variable of what
00:43:35
the randomness of the victim could throw his way now su's ATM card was used to take out $20 after she was abducted or
00:43:45
after she went missing the person who did this managed to avoid using a machine with surveillance
00:43:53
cameras Israel told the FBI that he was very careful to avoid machines with cameras and he used Samantha's he used a
00:44:02
previous victim's ATM card to take out $20 to be sure that she had given him the correct pen so this was something he
00:44:10
had done on another occasion right when he abducted a a woman took her ATM card got her to give him the pin and then
00:44:20
successively chose chose machines that did not have cameras on them and the final piece of compelling evidence that
00:44:28
Keys could have been responsible for suszie ly on his computer the FBI found searches they have been conducted for 44
00:44:38
missing persons It is believed that this list of names is a combination of both Israel Keys's victims plus other missing
00:44:47
persons cases that he was interested in for whatever reason we know that at least two of his actual victims are on
00:44:57
that list and another name that is on that list is Suzanne Lyle and keys admitted to killing one
00:45:07
New York State victim she also fits this profile of course the statistical odds that an Infamous serial killer such as
00:45:18
Israel Keys killed Suzy Lyle are still very very low but there is just enough there to make us think that perhaps it's
00:45:28
not so unlikely after all I do also want to note here our listeners will be interested to hear this captain that
00:45:36
Jennifer Markham was also on this list as we know she was killed by Scott Lee Kimbell who we covered right so again
00:45:46
it's believed that this list is his victims plus some missing persons that he was interested in whatever reason
00:45:53
jelik rainwalker is also on this list and it seems very unlikely that Keys was the killer of of young jelik
00:46:04
unless he just so happened upon the child after he ran off right now whoever took Suzie it seems almost certain that
00:46:14
it was not just someone who was you know hiding in the bushes or someone who followed her from the mall on the bus
00:46:22
since there's no trace of her that's ever been found except for this ID tag it seems certain that a vehicle had to
00:46:30
have been used in her abduction get her grab her put her in the vehicle and then
00:46:35
drive off both keys and John rean of course were known to have used vehicles in their crimes and in their attempted
00:46:45
crimes as well all right so where do we go from here well we do have some Victim
00:46:50
Advocacy that was set up by Susie's parents her mother Susie's mother Mary ly says that after wallowing in her
00:47:00
depression for 5 years she was finally able to motivate herself to trying to take a more active role in the search
00:47:09
for her daughter she and her husband Doug established the center for Hope an organization designed to provide support
00:47:18
and assistance to other families of missing persons and push for legislation to enhance law enforcement's response to
00:47:26
missing persons reports the center for Hope also helped create New York's annual missing persons day which is in
00:47:35
April each year observed on the Saturday closest to Suzie's birthday the organization which has nonprofit status
00:47:45
also helped produce and distribute 55,000 drink coers to area restaurants and 30,000 decks of playing cards to all
00:47:55
of the county jails in New York the coasters and cards feature missing persons cold cases they were the
00:48:05
brainchild of the ly who heard of a similar program in Florida according to the Times Union the center for Hope also
00:48:14
worked in tandem with New York officials to create the investigative guide for missing college students and collaborate
00:48:23
with law enforcement to publish what to do if a loved one goes missing a guide for Left Behind family
00:48:30
members the ls were directly responsible for getting some significant legislation
00:48:37
passed at both the state and federal level in 2000 Governor George [ __ ] signed the New York State campus
00:48:45
Security Act which requires all colleges to develop plans for investigating a missing student or violent offense
00:48:53
committed on campus this was to avoid situations like that they the ly had encountered where su's disappearance was
00:49:03
sort of dismissed by the campus police and there were no protocols for contacting law enforcement then in
00:49:11
2003 President George W Bush signed Suzanne's law which eliminated the waiting period for law enforcement to
00:49:18
launch an investigation when a person between the ages of 18 and 21 goes missing and in 2007 Congress enacted the
00:49:28
Suzanne ly campus Security Act which requires colleges across the country to have written plans on how they will work
00:49:36
with local law enforcement agencies if you think about all of the missing college students we have covered just on
00:49:43
our show Lauren speier Brian schaer Jesse Ross Mara Murray these important laws could have certainly helped their
00:49:53
families address their tragic situation with more efficiency and expediency a year after suie was taken
00:50:02
Doug L wrote a letter that he published on his blog offering a $25,000 reward for information on his
00:50:10
daughter's whereabouts the letter was addressed to the person who took Suzanne here are some
00:50:19
excerpts I often wonder whether March 2nd means anything to you do you remember the 19-year-old young woman you
00:50:27
took from us do you still have her with you it has been nearly a year since she vanished but she is just as loved and
00:50:36
dearly missed do you know the person you took Susie is a very creative person and
00:50:44
is inspired to write poetry that seems to flow in from outside of her she is a shy but a friendly person whose warm
00:50:53
smile and easy manner can cut through others sadness and put those around her at ease her sense of fairness and
00:51:01
loyalty to her friends are well appreciated by those who know her well you took away a wonderful person someone
00:51:10
who probably would have stood up for you if things weren't fair did no one do nice things for you I have found some
00:51:19
comfort in picturing you not as a mean ugly bad person but someone's child someone deserving and needing love and
00:51:29
acceptance who possibly misunderstood Susie's friendship as a romantic interest if love wasn't shared in your
00:51:38
family I'm sorry every person is entitled to the love and caring that family and friends provide if you still
00:51:46
have Susie I wish for something good to happen to you a success that makes you feel satisfied and positive about
00:51:56
yourself hopefully then you will treat her well I hope you have peaceful moments when you can walk in the woods
00:52:04
or through the fields content not miserable and vindictive I'm not sure what I would say
00:52:13
although after so much time surprisingly I don't hate you I know nothing about you I wonder if you were ever like suie
00:52:23
did you love homemade chocolate chip cookies did you go to rush concerts did you play jokes on April Fool's Day did
00:52:32
you spend time on the computer oblivious to anything else going on around you Susie is more than a girl on a poster
00:52:41
her mom and Dad Steve and Sandy miss her daily she has dreams and hopes and potential for my own Survival I have had
00:52:52
to let go of anger or I would be consumed by buy it but the questions persist the full letter should you wish
00:53:00
to read it is available online at suzan l.com now of course suzan ly is still missing to this day this is an old case
00:53:12
but to this day she's still missing she is 5' 3 in tall and weighs between 165 and 175 lbs she has long reddish brown
00:53:23
hair and blue eyes she has a brown colored birth mark on her left calf and a mole on her left cheek beneath her
00:53:31
Earl she has a surgical scar on her left foot Susie wears eyeglasses or contact lenses she was last seen wearing a long
00:53:40
black trench coat blue jeans and a black shirt she may also have been wearing a polished 14 karat gold fluted bow ring a
00:53:50
frog shaped silver ring and a necklace with a silver medallion inscribed with a character that resembles the letter s or
00:53:59
a lightning bolt I do want to point out to the listeners here Captain this is very important as these items have not
00:54:06
been found and there have been other missing persons cases that we have discussed where it these items are just
00:54:13
as important as finding the person themselves so if you've seen these items have them in your possession or have
00:54:19
information about these items this is something you should be passing on to the proper channels
00:54:26
sadly it seems that we may never know what happened to suie LY if either Israel keys or John Reagan got her her
00:54:35
body may never be found sadly her father Doug who spent so many years fighting for his daughter's cause passed away in
00:54:44
2015 after an illness Mary ly continues to work with the center for hope she still has hope that her daughter will be
00:54:52
found but 21 years later it's harder to maintain optimism whenever a body is found Mary waits for a phone call
00:55:02
telling her whether the DNA matches her daughters or not which is on file another victim we discussed today Donna
00:55:11
Palomo also became an activist for victims rights in 2007 she founded an organization called janeo No More which
00:55:22
Advocates on behalf of victims of SE sexual assault Donna was also instrumental in the passage of
00:55:29
legislation mandating the removal of the statute of limitations in Connecticut cases that have DNA
00:55:37
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