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let's talk some true [Music] crime on September 18th 1984 two young girls left their homes in South Dakota
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the next day the two were in the area of Casper Wyoming this is 12-year-old Sharon bald eagle from Eagle and her
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15-year-old friend from Hot Springs in Casper they are hitchhiking looking for a ride when they are picked up by Royal
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Russell long and taken to his home in Evansville Wyoming there he feeds them a meal and
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after he offers them $100 for sex both of the girls refuse well that doesn't seem to work for because he then pulls
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out a gun and ties both of the girls up after a while the 15-year-old girl manages to break free she flees the
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house and runs to the neighbor's home when the police arrived at the home long and bald eagle were both gone
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12-year-old Sharon bald eagle was reported to have with her a red bag and she was wearing a black yellowish tiger
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striped top and black shoes well not only are the police looking for the little girl they are looking for Royal
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Russell long as well long is reported to be in an early 80s beige pickup truck with a cowboy camper long while he's on
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the Run he starts to call friends and relatives in the area of his home he is asking for them to wire money transfers
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to him police Trace these calls to Albuquerque New Mexico later in early October Royal Russell long is a Ed at a
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parking lot pay phone in Albuquerque New Mexico but the girl Sharon was not with
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him in fact long had a much different story than the 15-year-old girl that called the police on him of course he
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did long said he picked up the girls he believed they were both 18 he offered them money for sex and they accepted
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afterward the two girls revealed to him their real ages and they were attempting
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to blackmail him for more money when the older girl fled he panicked and he left
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with Sharon Royal long maintained he drove Sharon bald eagle to Cheyenne and found her a ride to Texas this is a
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trucker he said he knew who agreed to drive the girl to Dallas Fort Worth area and let her go police searched all over
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and they never found Sharon bald eagle and they never found this trucker if in fact he even existed at all right Royal
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long denied knowing bald eagle's whereabouts Royal long later pled guilty to kidnapping and assaulting both of the
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girls for this he was given life sentences there was no trial now what took place after this we have Casper
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Police they start noticing similarities between their case that they've recently
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solved and the unsolved Kenzie pallet missing person's investigation and they contacted OKC
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detectives so now we have okah City and they are interested in talking to Royal long he says he had nothing to do with
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this disappearance now keep in mind this is 3 years earlier and many many miles away from his home however we still have
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those eyewitnesses the two OKC boys they positively identify Royal Russell long as having been the man the older man
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that took the two girls away in a vehicle right now remember they were unable to do this with a prior suspect I
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think this adds to the validity of this identification that they are now positively making mhm investigators they
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start searching because what they need to do is we have these eyewitnesses but we also need to place Royal Russell long
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in OKC or at least the area of there the day of the disappearances what they find
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is is they find that long had rented a vehicle they rent he rented this using his name his identification driver's
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license right the vehicle that he rented was a 1981 beige Pontiac Grand Prix the
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same vehicle described by the two boys shortly after the abduction which makes them pointing him out as the suspect
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even more likely yes and it seems like they've got their information correct that they're providing to police
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immediately after the abduction and then several years after the fact yeah what police surmise in their investigation is
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that we have this individual Royal Russell long Who We Know by his own admission is capable of abducting two
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young girls and sexually assaulting them we now can place him in Oklahoma City we
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have the witnesses who identify him we have his having rented the vehicle for that day they believe that at some point
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while he was in the area he either came across or stole Donald Corey's ID badge which he used to show to the children
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when he was pretending to hire them to offload this truck the police search Royal Russell Long's home and what they
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find there is interesting it's blonde hair that seems to be consistent with that of Charlotte Jun kiny police this
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would take some time Captain but they somehow managed to track down the rental car that was used 3 years prior right
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with this rental car they find blonde hair again consistent with that of Charlotte Kinsey's this is under a mat
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in the vehicle the trunk they found someone had painted the trunk the inside of it well when they lit the thing up
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with luminol looking for blood it glowed what it showed was an outline and and the outline almost looked like there
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was two bodies placed in the trunk that would have left their own blood from each of these bodies there is a little
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bit of an issue with this the stains or the luminol findings in the trunk however they couldn't prove that this
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came from human bodies in fact you have the investigators that say that it could
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have been animal blood it could have been two animals lying side by side in the trunk right but they believe it to
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have been the girls and then in February of 1985 Royal Russell long he's by now suspected in
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this disappearance obviously of the Oklahoma City teenagers he tells a Wyoming newspaper that he was in the
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area that he was at the fairgrounds on the day that the two were abducted however he states he was there to
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conduct some business okay so we we have eyewitnesses that say he's the guy mhm we have the rental car and now we have
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him himself Russell saying hey I was there yeah I was just there to do business correct cuz I'm a businessman
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well and he wouldn't elaborate as to what that business was and of course investigators couldn't find any reason
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for him to be there business-wise and he does I think his business is murder yeah even though
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admits to being there he he emphatically denies any knowledge of the girls their
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whereabouts or even having seen them on the day that he puts himself at the fairgrounds police now believe that they
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are probably working with a serial killer here yeah okay they believe this guy abducted four different girls and is
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responsible for the murder of three of them because three of them have never been seen again and one we know was last
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scene with long and then we have these eyewitnesses putting the other two girls with long as well yeah this trial is
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going to take place in 1985 and there's going to be a lot of issues with this trial okay so first we have this man
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long who is already in prison he's admitted to kidnapping two girls he's serving life sentences they're going to
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have to extradite him back to Wyoming and I think the way that this worked out is that they put a bit of a time frame
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on how long they were willing to keep him there as he awaited the trial and I think the Judge put a 180 day limit on
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reviewing the evidence to determine if this guy was guilty or if in fact that the trial should proceed at all so they
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extradite him back to Wyoming and as he's there we have investigators that are still collecting evidence and
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prosecutors that are now trying to build a case against this man and they have an
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uphill battle against them because at this time what Wyoming is going to see is a murder trial with no bodies and I
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believe that this is the second only the second time that they have faced such a
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trial the other thing that they're going to face Captain is what would be considered a lack of evidence in this
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case MH because we have a judge presiding and he's going to determine what is evidence that can
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be introduced at trial and what is going to be thrown out well at the Crux of this whole thing at the start of this
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investigation is the Casper Police that contacted Oklahoma City Police and said hey look we just solved this case we
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have the guy and this is a whole similar scenario to what we believe happened in
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Oklahoma City right and of course OKC Police they went along with it because it is it's it's it's a very similar
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story however and I think rightfully so in this situation the judge says that's not evidence you can't just because this
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guy admitted to doing this thing elsewhere in another state that seems similar to all of us that's not evidence
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that he in fact did this other crime no it just kind of points you in that direction yeah and I guess even though
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they could put him there with eyewitnesses and the rental vehicle and all of that right right so let's go over
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this again so we got the rental car we got the eyewitnesses we got his statements saying that he was there yeah
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well we have hairs that were found that were the hairs that were found they're not identified to being that of one of
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the missing girls but they're identified as being consistent with one of the girls at his home and in the rental
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vehicle itself we have the blood we have we know that there was blood at some point point in that rental vehicle and
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it looks to have come from two different sources right again the the experts would say we can't prove that that
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wasn't animal blood we can't prove that it was human blood MH um but there was blood in that vehicle at some point and
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somebody took the time to paint over it so a couple things here that you really have to wonder about because you have
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this judge who's who's trying to decide what is circumstantial evidence and what
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is just what is Hardcore evidence and you could really make an argument I think for both sides when you look at it
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from the prosecution side and from the investigator side it it seems like you have this mountain of evidence against
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this guy but this mountain is going to start to crumble okay because you have you have the experts that are saying we
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we don't know if this animal blood or human blood right how much can you do with that at trial right and then we
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don't have the bodies we don't have the bodies and back then they wouldn't have the capability to determine if in fact
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it was was the hair that belonged to one of the missing girls MH also remember we
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have the daughter Long's daughter who was willing to testify against him in court well that gets thrown out by the
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judge and this is because you know the judge is going to say look these are separate crimes that she is accusing her
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father of if in fact you want to charge him with those crimes you can but then again you have to have evidence this is
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now her word against his word so the daughter's testimony is not allowed at court and much of what looks
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to be good evidence is thrown out all you're really left with is knowing that he rented a vehicle and he was in the
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area at the time of The Disappearance of these two 13-year-old girls so what ends
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up happening Captain very this is very frustrating but the judge throws out a lot of the evidence and long story short
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dismisses the trial for lack of evidence so now we have long who is saying well I
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was you know they extradited me to another state I was held there I would receive death threats while I was there
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and now he's going to sue the state he says he's going to sue the state of Oklahoma for $10
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million that's a lot of money should he be awarded that as he sits in prison and
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serves life sentences yeah that's a lot of uh well I guess they get cable some places get cable and you get
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snacks oh yeah the commissary you could you buy a lot of uh Paul malls with $10 million well and you could also buy like
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other people in prison snacks too that way like your buddies yeah you got some people protecting you so there is a what
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I could find on this regarding this lawsuit was a one-page document and it seems to be a very brief overview of of
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how this whole thing transpired it said it was entitled oh hell no right right that's what it said right
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at the top of the page all hail no um I think that and and I'm not positive because I did didn't print off that
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one-page document I think it might have been the same judge for the lawsuit as for what have would have been the
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criminal charges he was facing for the double homicide he was awarded uh Victor in
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that lawsuit $10 million they gave him $1 because I think that I think the way this things works is that if you are
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able to prove you know so much so that I I think this is a way of making this lawsuit go away right because you could
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then keep filing and filing and filing and what he was suing for was a lot of different things not only the wrongful
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potential wrongful conviction or indictment he's charging for you know he says he
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received death threats while he was there for the 180 days he also had to have counsel he had a hire counsil for
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all of that time so when this is all said and done he gets $1 he goes back to the beautiful state of Wyoming to rot
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away in a prison cell for the rest of his life there's so much troubling stuff here captain and I I think that I lean
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toward the side of the judge's findings that maybe just wasn't enough evidence to carry this trial all the way through
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the problem is and we've seen this in cases that we've discussed and and maybe even cases that we've recently talked
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about where you have to wonder does the double life sentence weigh a factor into
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the judge's decision and I know that that it's not supposed to technically probably does when he's making that
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determination but is it one of those situations where it's like we know this guy's locked up he can't do any more
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harm hopefully I know the judge shouldn't be thinking this hopefully there's some prison Justice going on and
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rather than rather than take this case and get a conviction that might be later overturned maybe let's toss this one out
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yeah um no I agree but I mean I think it's difficult I mean but like you said at the end of the day no matter
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what happens you already have two wins mhm as as far as the two life sentences so I I think it plays a factor no matter
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what they say it doesn't play a factor and today so when they're searching his home you know that they're going there
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looking for specific items that would really sh up their case against him right you know they didn't find the ID
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badge that they presume he stole or found they would have hoped to have found anything clothing wise or anything
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that the girls would have had on them that day in his home they didn't find that and the other thing too is we don't
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have DNA back then that we could use to on the hairs or any of the items potentially found or evidence found in
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that car right so with DNA if they would have found something of the girls at his
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home you could have got a conviction also the bodies there's no bodies and I think that's also the the
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tough thing for the judge to get over in that situation I understand that but also if you process the the evidence
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correctly then we have that stuff to process later mhm and then we could at least get some closure for the family or
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friends or or whoever I I hate using that word closure because I don't think there is closure
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right but I you get some answers and so I I think you get answers at least in the one case because we have the
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eyewitnesses and we also have him saying I was there we also have the rental car
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we have a lot of stuff even though the judge threw that out I'm not going to be able to forget about
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that and even though they didn't get a conviction I know both sets of parents were truly hoping at the end of the day
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to bring their daughters home to lay them to rest at home right and that didn't get to happen in fact I know the
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one girl her father traveled all over the country and this was when the remains would be found he would go to
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these different states he spent a lot of time and a lot of money a good portion of his life trying to track down his
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daughter be it if she were alive or deceased right now I should point out here that the whole defense that long
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had and I think this was a this was a good defense presented by his defense team and the attorney was that the state
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had such a problem with having no bodies in this murder trial so what the defense
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suggested was look shortly after these girls went missing we have tips that were coming in saying oh I saw these
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girls here I saw these girls there there were tips that came in even I think a year or so later that they track down to
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Florida now these tips never went anywhere it never produced the girls obviously and most likely we've seen
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this in a lot of cases where you have people they want to see something they want to help therefore they call in you
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know you see something you say something they call in and and likely these weren't credible eyewitness accounts but
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they are just good people trying to help assist in some way but it's just like the Jamie Claus case where there was
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eyewitnesses that possibly saw her in Florida mhm and there it's like and now we know that that's not the case there
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was no chance that she was in Florida so I I don't know but I me I think they get
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some answers though whether or not the Court gives them answers I think the evidence gives you answers MH and and
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maybe that can be enough for him I mean it it is sad that he's the father was flying everywhere and traveling
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everywhere to try to bring back the remains but it's also a tricky thing here because he's not convicted of a double
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homicide or a murder yeah so then it becomes did they get away was it another botch thing or or did he murder them M
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but so but I'm I'm assuming uh he did I think all signs point toward unfortunately that they were killed at
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some point they've never resurfaced they these two girls that we're discussing now were 13 years old they're they
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weren't unlike the 19-year olds they have less the ability of start up elsewhere and the other thing too that
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we have to point out is it's very clear from those two boys that they were with at the fair that day they gave enough
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correct information that the police were later able to verify to me that really shows that Russell long Royal Russell
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long was with those girls and he was very likely the last person they were ever seen with so there for me I I think
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that's enough of all the arrows pointing to this guy being involved in their abduction and if they've never
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resurfaced you have to believe they've probably been killed right and also there was a bunch of blood in a
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front has hit the Midwest everybody bring your animals inside don't leave your pets out too long it is fre I lost
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the finger we were just outside of the garage I'm now down to nine fingers I got the nine good ones eight good ones
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eight good ones that's right has a funky finger so Captain I'm going to Pat myself on the back here I think I did a
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fairly good job of laying out the facts of these missing persons cases we have eight
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abductions we have two bodies that are found we have five girls that are never seen again no remains to this day have
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been found and we have one Brave girl who gets away and at the center of this seems to
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be this potential serial killer who he could be potentially responsible for all of these cases he also could be
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responsible for cases we are unaware of right but he he's dead yes died in prison he died of an apparent heart
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attack in prison this was in 1993 so whatever Secrets he was keeping he kept he still has them we will not know uh
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what he may have confessed to later in life or what they would be able to get him to um you know confess to any of
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these or offer up evidence as to what could have happened to any of these girls well I'm going to I'm going to say
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something and uh we go back and forth on the death penalty right and no matter what you say about it either way you're
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going to get hate mail but the one nice thing about having the death penalty is that if that is on the table that
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sometimes can get people to confess to other crimes mhm therefore or having answers to other crimes right and so
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that is a part of it that I do like about it but the part where that you know innocent people die on death row
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because our justice system got it wrong I don't like at all right there's there's problems both ways yeah yeah so
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uh but yeah this this one's difficult because he had no he was he had two life sentences yes and so there's no
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negotiating he had no reason to come forward and say hey you know what I did these other crimes MH and I'm
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responsible especially when there aren't bodies found right it's like why would he admit
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to any of these things but now obviously we have the two that he's convicted of mhm uh now we didn't find her body he's
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not convicted of murder but let's just go ahead and say he's piece of [ __ ] and guilty of that
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agree and then as far as the other two in Oklahoma that he was tried for and they
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you know basically tossed out all the evidence which again that doesn't make a lot of sense to me but I'm going to go
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ahead and say there's enough evidence in my eyes and the and the the jury is out
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as far as the garage jury you're a piece of [ __ ] not once but twice in that case
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so you to me he's responsible for those murders we have enough evidence I think to convict him well before we move on
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from those two the two girls 13-year-olds in Oklahoma I think that really all we have to State here is that
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if you if you believe the two boys the two eyewitnesses who I think gave very good information to investigators and it
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was later proven to be true and backed up even though it didn't work in the court of law right I think that as long
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as you believe those two boys and we already know what he's capable of long because he confessed to two abductions
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and sexual assaults already I think that that's an easy no-brainer that out of these eight abductions he's responsible
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for four of them and and and within those four there's three dead people there I mean there's three dead victims
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here they've never surfaced from that day yeah yeah so that leaves the four that took place within a 7we time period
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in Rollins Wyoming now we know that he was roughly in the area at that time three of the abductions have one thing
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in common they all took place at a rodeo yeah and we have Royal Russell long who
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was known to frequent rodeos he was also known to have worked at Fairgrounds I mean he had a truck with a camper on it
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mhm Cowboy camper Cowboy camper they could they should call them creeper campers because I mean they
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the I mean you want to talk you want to talk about stepping up the game ban the van ban the creeper camper cuz there's
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maybe nothing creepier those are more creepier than the creep Vans well one thing I should point out here in is that
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you own one of them is that where there's not a lot of information especially on these earlier victims
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there's also not a ton of information on Royal Russell long himself now what I was able to find what images
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I were was able to find of him it seems to be like this guy was switching vehicles an awful lot throughout his
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adult life and that's always a big red flag right once you murder somebody and and blood gets everywhere you have to
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sell the vehicle or if you if you believe that there may have been a witness to seeing your vehicle right you
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you got to change the color of it you got to change the plates you got to get rid of the vehicle switch to one all
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kinds of things that he would have been doing should he have been responsible for all eight of these now as far as the
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two the the Rawlings rodeo and the other Rodeo I'm going to say he's my number one suspect in those I agree Prime
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Suspect the 19y olds um they were at the rodeo yeah no no but what I mean by the 19 is maybe
00:33:53
old as far as his victim profile goes older but uh it's still in that range I think so he's my number one suspect in
00:34:04
those and then the other Rodeo case the I'm forgetting her name this uh Baker Baker or Banker I'm sorry um the the
00:34:14
young girl the 14-year-old girl the one that was walked by herself that's not out of rodeo yes he's in the area but
00:34:23
there's a lot of creeps out there yeah you're referring to Deborah uh Meyers case yeah sorry Deborah Meyers
00:34:30
case 14 years old that's the only one that I wouldn't have him be my number one suspect in I I
00:34:37
feel that he's guilty you know of murdering the first girl murdering the two uh that we have eyewitnesses for and
00:34:46
then every all the other cases number one suspect if if you're looking for an answer that's probably your answer mhm
00:34:55
but as far as the Deborah case I it's just there's no there's no information on her there's no
00:35:01
information on him we have no clue if he's in the area you know and it's not at a rodeo or Fairgrounds and I think
00:35:08
that was his in yeah and and I wouldn't be surprised if there's other cases in surrounding
00:35:17
areas that have other state fairs that there's missing people that he might be connected to well and he he was a truck
00:35:26
driver some point in his life as well which adds a whole another set of problems you know how far was he
00:35:32
traveling how often was he traveling and if he was simply an OP opportunistic serial killer right I don't think that
00:35:41
it needs he needs much pushing to find an opportunity to snatch somebody well no he
00:35:48
he yeah yeah he's creating the opportunity cuz he's going to these events I mean I'm look that's a clever
00:35:57
idea steal somebody else's name badge I mean and he might not have stole it so that the boys saw that but he might have
00:36:05
stole it to get access into like the fair mhm and so and especially back then you're talking about a time where
00:36:14
there's just less security there's just you know people kind of turning the well
00:36:19
there's less surveillance being recorded and you know there's less means of doing
00:36:24
so and I I do want to throw something out here though uh as I go through this but I think to me it's very obvious I
00:36:30
agree with you 100% the last four abductions he's got to be responsible for all four of those even though not
00:36:37
convicted in court for two of them but he's convicted in the court of the garage that's right
00:36:44
use you sir we sentenced you you're a piece of [ __ ] wrapped in a piece of [ __ ]
00:36:52
well and then we have the issue of the four missing girls from just a 7-week time period in 1974 in Rollins uh
00:37:02
Wyoming where I think that you could probably make him your Prime Suspect and at least three out of those four I'm
00:37:08
with you with the Deborah case I think that the problem I have there is yes he's in the area for all four of those
00:37:15
and that makes it difficult to rule him out and I wouldn't rule him out for all four of them however with Deborah's case
00:37:20
I'm just so frustrated at the lack of of information regarding that I think that
00:37:25
there's any number of Poss posibilities that could have happened right and I think that we're we're really left
00:37:31
guessing on that one so I kind of toss that one out and and save it for a later day and hope and pray that somebody
00:37:37
provides some more information in that case but at least that's a lead mhm you know that's pretty amazing there's
00:37:44
nothing on that case but hey guess what we offered you up a lead here's a guy to
00:37:48
look at well and while we're tossing some things out I should also point out that some people think that the infamous
00:37:55
Ted Bundy might have been involved in some of these cases this would have been the 1974 cases as we all know Bundy was
00:38:02
a rapist kidnapper and serial killer who assaulted and murdered many young women
00:38:06
and girls during the 1970s and these some of the states that he was active include Utah and Colorado among other
00:38:14
states and he confessed as we know shortly before his execution to possibly 30 homicides between 1974 and 1978 the
00:38:23
true total remains unknown could even be higher as far as we know but the interesting thing here is what is
00:38:31
between Colorado and Utah when we have Interstate 80 and we have Rollins Wyoming now Bundy has never officially
00:38:39
been tied to any of the missing Rollins girls but also something to take into consideration well as we're talking
00:38:46
about that dick bag of [ __ ] um cuz the the Bundy tapes were released as as far
00:38:53
as Netflix and I think it was put together well I think they they missed some stuff I mean it was pretty long
00:39:01
from could they could have done a little bit better job there but now you got this new movie where Zach hafron which I
00:39:08
have no problem with him he's just doing his job being an actor here's what I'm worried about and this is saw on a
00:39:15
little soap box so give me about 45 seconds based on the trailers though they're it's almost like they're
00:39:25
glamorizing it mhm and I that's what I'm afraid of I think people are going to walk out of
00:39:31
that movie and and really think oh man this guy was like some kind of rock star he wasn't he was a dick bag of of [ __ ]
00:39:41
is what he was and so when you're watching this movie and they're painting him with these rose petal glasses
00:39:47
remember that he had sex with dead bodies yeah so you know I that I don't know I I every time I see the trailer
00:39:57
for that movie and I was excited to that it was coming out because I'm a true crime fan but not list glamorize it and
00:40:05
I hope that's not what happens I hope people watch it and say hey that's not what they did but that's the direction
00:40:11
the trailer makes it seem they they make it seem like it's a a mix between a serial killer movie and 50 Shades of
00:40:19
Gray well it's going to be 50 Shades of [ __ ] that's what I'm telling you well and then you have to wonder why have we
00:40:26
not found any of these remains all these years later and I found some statement regarding the prosecutor that attempted
00:40:34
to prosecute long for the double homicide in the two missing girls case in Oklahoma City and this was after the
00:40:43
trial and he says look and I love when these guys go on record and and state what they believe even though he wasn't
00:40:49
victorious in the court of law he says what we're dealing with here is a serial killer we're dealing with a guy in his
00:40:55
opinion is someone that is not only capable of murder but has done it multiple times and he even States three
00:41:02
that we that we're pretty convinced of he even states that he's convinced that there are other victims out there that
00:41:08
are not even tied to Royal Russell long and regarding where the bodies could be regarding these victims I have a quote
00:41:17
from the prosecutor that says that he truly believes that he thinks that he could show you that the bodies are
00:41:23
likely within 45 miles of where they sit right now and I I don't know where he was sitting when he said that but he
00:41:30
states that he believes that they would have been in Rat holes and this comes from a statement of a fellow inmate that
00:41:38
served time with royal Russell long now long was a trained meat cutter and I guess he told according to this inmate
00:41:47
told this inmate that if you cut the bodies up small enough and shove them down a rat hole no one will ever find
00:41:54
them and the prosecutor goes on to say that he believes that within 45 miles of wherever they were that you could
00:42:01
probably find all of those bodies we know that we know that long worked for some time delivering equipment to drill
00:42:09
rigs in the area right and he believes that if there were if there were time and and the proper resources to do so
00:42:17
upon further investigation you know they would find these bodies eventually in these rat
00:42:23
holes the problem with that is as he point points out in this article is there's tens of thousands of them in
00:42:29
that area where long worked and you know over the years we have changing um you know we have changing Landscapes
00:42:40
overgrown grass things of that nature that makes it only harder and harder and as the time passes unfortunately I don't
00:42:47
think we're going to find these remains and the other sad thing too is it seems to be a a good lack of information
00:42:57
regarding these missing girls that you might not be able to tie remains should you find some next week next year 10
00:43:04
years from now to these actual victims we have cases where we don't have information regarding what items they
00:43:11
had on them you know what were they wearing did they have jewelry uh we have a lack of dental records and in fact one
00:43:18
of the cases where they found the body they outwardly say we we connected this girl was missing for 9 years can you
00:43:26
imagine the state of the body by the time they found it right only to be told that we we matched this to her through a
00:43:33
partial Dental record I would love to know the specifics of what that partial Dental record uh was to match it to that
00:43:42
girl and and I I don't say that to to to sound Doom and Gloom here but did they actually match it was could it have been
00:43:52
somebody else right and could in fact her body be disposed of in a similar manner to the
00:43:59
her friend that was with her that has never been found to this day well that's one of the things with law enforcement
00:44:05
and crimes in general as we get into the future is technology more surveillance more DNA you know touch DNA a lot more
00:44:16
testing that we can do and then also just as far as medical records what they're collecting from people before
00:44:22
you know before God forbid something happens to somebody but there's a lot more records now MH so at least I think
00:44:30
going into the future we're going to look back on the 70s especially the the late 60s and the 70s and think wow man
00:44:39
that was very primitive I mean if we didn't get a fingerprint we're not solving cases MH so I think a as far as
00:44:48
you know that's a good thing as far as advancement in technology well and I do want to give a Kudos a a my take my hat
00:44:56
off to the parents of the missing that stayed involved and kept their cases alive we saw a very big contrast between
00:45:05
some of these victims here where some of the victims have no information at all about them or about their disappearance
00:45:13
and then others where there is more of a wealth of information right and I don't
00:45:18
mean to mean that in a negative way towards the cases where we don't have any information towards those parents
00:45:25
maybe they didn't know how to do certain things how to keep the case in the Public's eye plus we're also talking
00:45:33
about small town America or didn't have the means or didn't have a job that let them take not only that what about the
00:45:43
what about the resources within those towns where they're from you know what I mean what what I mean by that is what if
00:45:48
those news articles are out there and they did exist at one time but they never got sent down the wire throughout
00:45:55
other cities throughout states in America and so I don't mean to blame the parents there but I do want to give a
00:46:01
kudos to the ones that did stay involved in and that we do have information regarding them well I mean just think
00:46:08
about that though too I mean and if if a crime happened today and and somebody went missing and maybe you don't find
00:46:16
that person but they find some evidence they can test that there's hope that there could be some um answer that
00:46:25
you're going to get back in that day it was like okay she went missing and we have no
00:46:32
eyewitnesses what do you just talk about you just keep going well she's missing somebody has to help us find them when
00:46:39
do you when do you give up because again there's so much lack of Technology at that point you know it's like I feel for
00:46:46
him and also just lack of media especially early '70s you know not everybody was having a TV in their house
00:46:55
right you know where where you start getting into the 90s and and everybody has a TV and everybody has a computer
00:47:01
and everybody's connected through this social interwebs I mean um I'm not I'm not
00:47:08
saying that you are are talking trash about the parents but I'm just saying think about the time period And it's
00:47:14
like and what if your newspaper's lazy and they're not writing anything up or they just don't care we don't want you
00:47:21
know there's towns that somebody goes missing in and then they everybody rallies around them and there's other
00:47:27
towns where they're like we don't want to print this we don't want people in our town to be fearful of their kid
00:47:33
going missing mhm so and if that doesn't happen in 1974 well story's done well until
00:47:41
there's a break and if you have a girl that's from out of town and nobody's really certain what
00:47:46
happened I mean is is was hers just a story not on the front page somewhere and then it's been lost through all
00:47:53
these decades well yeah and what I'm saying is is if that town is going hey she's not from around here we don't want
00:47:59
to print this up and then her Town's going well we don't want to print this up cuz she went missing in another town
00:48:05
mhm I mean it's not like now where you you take like a case like the deli murders and it's like it's going to be
00:48:11
constantly on people's brains and constantly people are going to be searching for leads because it's
00:48:16
constantly in your face you're constantly reminded of it well and really the only information out there on
00:48:22
most of these cases is available on the missing person sites that we all know and we we uh referenced several of those
00:48:30
along the way and telling the story of this of all these missing girls there I mean there's so little information that
00:48:37
you know and I love you and I have said this several times we love web sloths big shout out to the web sluth Community
00:48:44
we love Reddit big shout out to that Community too but if you get on there you know often times when you research
00:48:51
cases or look for leads on those two sites there's a lot out out there there's a lot to be presented to you a
00:48:58
lot to digest and you can run with it regarding these cases very few post because there's just no there's no meat
00:49:06
on the bone right you know there's no nothing to these disappearances there's not a big story to it there's not a big
00:49:14
investigation to be had by armchair detectives or web slle to this day because there there's just not much
00:49:21
there now while we're handing out thank yous and kudos to people I do want to give a uh kudos to Janet Franson who we
00:49:30
mentioned earlier who she has worked and she's still to this day looking for uh potential family members of carlen brown
00:49:41
who was adopted and the way that that works is that once you're adopted and you've been in your your new situation
00:49:48
for years your adopted parents and the parents that put you up for adoption they can equally agree to toss out those
00:49:57
records they can be thrown out right and because of that and because that was agreed upon at that time they can't find
00:50:05
her birth parents and therefore that's why they don't have DNA samples to try to put together a DNA profile and the
00:50:12
reason why I give Janet fransen Kudos is because not only did she work that case
00:50:17
in many many other cases throughout her years of service but in searching for information on these cases I would go to
00:50:25
these different sites and I would see several times where she posted a comment on one of the very brief stories that
00:50:32
said hey I was looking for or I am looking for family members of carlen brown if anybody knows any information
00:50:39
here's my email address and so thank you to her for going above and beyond and I
00:50:44
hope that if you know the case is that she's still working I wish her good luck in all those I do want to quote her
00:50:50
regarding uh her statements that she has said publicly about Royal Russell along
00:50:56
she says there are similarities between those cases and the Rollins case and she
00:51:01
says these similarities and her opinion are strong she added quote not only did he drive trucks but he killed girls all
00:51:10
over the country there's no doubt in my mind there are more victims of his than we will probably ever know she also says
00:51:17
quote the only good thing is that I know the son of a gun is in hell and he won't
00:51:23
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