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talk some true [Music] crime [Music] you know the family did always hold on to hope that they would have a miracle
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and that maybe jbz would be found alive but as we mentioned uh this all came to a tragic end here earlier today uh there
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is this has plagued the community for a year and a half The Disappearance of J Bez the a 14-year-old went missing on
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September 4th 2017 Sarasota police telling us tonight in a late night news conference that as soon as they made a
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positive ID on jaz's body they called his family with this sad news investigators telling us that they
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identified his skeletal remains using dental records and that he was actually found Saturday in a rural part of
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Manatee County just west of Interstate 75 we're told a man was out there just putting up a fence around 4:30 in the
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afternoon when he saw the remains he called 911 police at this point do not know how long those remains were there
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but we are told that forensic investigators are working right now to find out exactly what happened if
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there's any evidence on his body that they can use to catch whoever killed him it's not somewhere that we believe he
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would have wandered off to and then uh just sat down and and passed away we believe that well we will and those
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facts will come out later on but we do not believe at this point that he left Sarasota under his own valtion and went
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to menate County where his body was found jz's mom told us tonight that the family's just too distraught to talk
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about the developments they learned of what happened here just a few hours before they alerted the media of this
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break in this case the mom did convey that she wanted to thank members of the community who for the past year and a
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half have held search parties passed out flyers and tried to do everything in their power to find job as I know that
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they've been wanting this conclusion but not in this way we'll keep you posted as
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this as a story continues to develop we're live here in Sarasota tonight Michael paloa ABC Action
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[Music] News the heral Tribune reported on November 24th 2017 that jabz witnessed
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the murder of Travis Colmes and was seen by the suspects just a week before he went missing on Labor Day the article
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confirmed that this information was contained in a police report indicating that the rumors about jabz seeing a
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crime were true apparently Sarasota police detectives were informed about the connection between the Colmes case
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and jaz's disappearance by a Sarasota pastor named Calvin lumpin who told police that he had information about the
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connections between the two cases but it seems possible that even this pastor became afraid to talk in a weird
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situation when the police tried to talk to him about what he knew they were served with a letter from his lawyer
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saying that he would invoke his Pastor privilege and refused to answer any questions the strange thing is that the
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lawyer who wrote The Letter shutting down the questioning is also the mayor of Sarasota who happens to have a side
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business a law practice lumpin later told the Herald Tribune quote it's not true no one came to me specifically
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about jabz span end quote on November 27th Sarasota Police Department released a statement acknowledging the possible
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links between Travis colm's murder and The Disappearance of jabz span the statement said quote the Sarasota Police
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Department continues to investigate all avenues regarding these two cases both cases and their possible connections to
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one another remain under investigation they are both Active cases Sarasota Police Department is not discounting any
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possible connections between the two cases and continued to seek additional information and leads in both cases end
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quote meanwhile jaz's 15th birthday came and went with no no movement on the case
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Sarasota py doubled the reward to $50,000 hoping that someone would talk in exchange for cash but after 3 months
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jabz had still not been located the family continued to hang jaz's number three football jersey on the clothesline
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outside Lucille's home where it had been since he disappeared Genevie judge a public information officer for the
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Sarasota Police Department told Dateline quot we've done all sorts of searches and we've partnered with the FBI and the
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Florida Department of Law Enforcement to do that unfortunately at this point we have not come up with anything of
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significance so technically they could charge the pastor with the same thing that they charge Reginal but because of
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his religious privileges they can't do so correct plus they don't have any sworn statements from others claiming
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that he told told them that he had Direct knowledge about the case right in the months that followed as 2017 turned
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into 2018 the number of tips submitted to Sarasota Police Department obviously they dwindled drastically Sarasota PD
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interviewed a number of people but had not named any suspects or Persons of Interest in this case then in May of
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2018 some potentially new information came in toana span told us that a female witness reported seeing jabz with two
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other boys around 1:00 a.m. on September 4th this technically would be September
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5th she said that this eyewitness said that they saw jabz with these two other boys on Martin Luther King Jr way toana
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knows one of these boys this boy had also been one of the boys who also witnessed the colm's shooting along with
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jabz according to what Reginal Parker told the family and the private investigator toana wanted to know
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whether this boy who had been with jabz right before he vanished knew anything about what had happened to her son
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whether the boys met up with somebody whether jabz got into a car with someone whether someone took him she confronted
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this boy the one we have been calling Jay and when she did she told us that Jay flew off the handle and screamed at
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her saying he did not have anything to do with what happened to jabz he didn't know nothing or something along those
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lines toana does not feel that Jay's overreaction is typical of someone who really knows nothing it seems likely
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that Jay is scared could he be afraid of what happened to jabz will happen to him
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according to toana Jay and two other miners were prevented from talking to police by their parents with whom no
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doubt were scared for their kids' safety two of these kids witnessed the crime according to the affidavit and jabz
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almost certainly talked to these friends about what he saw one of these kids ended up in juvie and told investigators
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that jabz was not in Sarasota but would be found in Bradenton although no one knew why that would be the case and he
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said that he warned jabz to not smoke with everybody which could be an indication that jabz was lured Away by
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his abductors with the promise of pot or cigars one of these men who the pjr believes is responsible for what
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happened to jabz admitted that he gave the boy a cigar this is a man with the initials JJ who at the time of the
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Colmes murder remember there were three perpetrators according to Parker had dreadlocks apparently jabz told several
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people after Colmes was shot that he saw a man with dreadlocks at the scene and he knew who JJ was as he was from New
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Town in fact JJ was dating Travis's cousin one of the men who ran away toward Palm Medallia Avenue after Travis
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was shot weok was also known to jabz but that's not all you see jabz knew one of
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the men named by Parker and the unnamed female witness very very well this was the man named Curtis and Curtis was best
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friends with jaz's older brother the one in prison in fact Curtis practically grew up with jabz and his brother even
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calling Lucille grandma jabz told people after Colmes was murdered that he knew who killed Travis at the end of 2018
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jaz's case was featured in people Magazine's list of missing people this was in November of
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2018 and then in February of 2019 there was a break in the case on February 16th a man working on a cow
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Pastor fence on the 4100 Block of Canal Road in in Bradenton this is in rural Manatee County Came Upon a skeletonized
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human remains a joint press conference by the Sarasota Police Department in the Manatee County Sheriff's Office
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announced that the remains were indeed those of jabz span he was identified using dental records the location was
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quite far from his home in New Town 16 miles and was outside of the search area and they did not believe that he left
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Sarasota under his own power according to statements at the press conference it was unknown how long the remains which
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were fully skeletal were there whether the body was dumped there and or if they were transported to the rural area after
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jabz was held and killed elsewhere deputy chief Robinson emphasized that they were still seeking
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tips and leads and the reward remained available well the amount of eyewitnesses that could have put these
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guys away that aren't coming forward is absolutely ridiculous and I understand that they're afraid for their safety but
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again my argument would be if law enforcement doesn't get involved these guys are going to be out running the
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streets and controlling the streets and you're going to be um that threat is always going to be there and then on top
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of that you then have not only witnesses that Saul um witnessed him see a murder
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but you now have people also saying oh you'll find him and you're going to find him in this other City and then they
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find him so there's a lot more people that know what happened and who's responsible that are just not coming
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forward well and we say that he was found outside of the search area which he was found 16 miles away and that's a
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good distance but some would say well hey it's just 16 miles away he was missing they could not locate him for 17
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months almost 18 months that's a long time for this family to be I mean really clueless as to what took place and to be
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just miserable the whole time but I want to make sure that everybody understands
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that the search efforts for jabz were were large were massive there was a lot of searching for him going on they were
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constantly searching over the 17-month period in fact his mother says that they searched Sarasota they search Bradenton
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Palmetto and they even search just north of Venice and search Northport so if you
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look at all those spots on a map this is a pretty large area that they were working on covering they also ran into
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some problems during the search efforts some of these searches were with the Sarasota Police Department and others
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involved but some of these searches were with volunteers from the community and the problem that they ran into with
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these volunteers from the community look they're they're so grateful that all these people came out to help the
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problem with that was there were people that they suspected either knew what happened to jabz or possibly were
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involved in whatever happened to him Andor Travis that were showing up to volunteer at these searches because they
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want to keep an eye on what's going on and report back to whomever or just for their own information so at some point
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they had to make these searches very private and that means really reducing the number of people searching in these
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areas and I do want to give a shout out to the Peace River search and rescue group uh they provided a lot of help in
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the efforts to find jabz and they provided a lot of help to the family pro bono so a big a big high five goes out
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to them now once jabz is found once his body was located the cause of death has never been released official would not
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even confirm that jabz was wearing the same clothes that he was last seen in um this is reported to be a turquoise
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t-shirt and some other items but I couldn't couldn't locate exactly the description of the other clothes that he
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was wearing yeah we asked detective Megan Buck whether she could tell us the cause
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of death and of course she would give no comment on that for what it's worth the
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man who called 911 about finding a body told the dispatcher he did not see any signs of a weapon at the site just a
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skull and some bones but what's also interesting and this is here to for unreleased information was that rope was
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found with the skeleton and police do believe that jabz was bound in the press conference deputy chief Robinson also
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said that people in the community are scared to come forward saying quote the folks that did it We Believe are from
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our community we know that people in our community know things they haven't shared yet he refused to speculate as to
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the connection to any other crime in response to a question about the Colmes case he said we will be going back and
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basically starting from the beginning scouring our case files to ensure every lead every tip was followed up on we are
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going to run this thing to the end well it's a lot easier for for us to sit you know in our high chairs and and and say
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well we would have went to police and we would have stopped this but I think um when the threat is right
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around the corner and the threat is like I said it's a lot easier to to say than
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to to do I agree with that I think though the issue here is the the perception the the wrong perception that
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is out there in this case and the the the problem here is that this this criminal element that is
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responsible for one or both of these murders or maybe even more plus right 100% no doubt about it other crimes as
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well this criminal element we're not talking about the you know the Irish mob or the the mafia or even something as
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big as like the the official Bloods or the official Crips or anything like that this we're not that's not what we're
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talking about here this criminal element that's responsible for these crimes and
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these murders you can be protected from the Sarasota Police Department could absolutely protect you from these guys
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that's all they are is a bunch of a couple of thugs they could protect you from these
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guys the thing that you run into a little bit of trouble with if you are the witness or if you have information
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is okay if what I tell police or detectives if if what I tell them is it going to be good enough to get these
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guys to lock them up and to bring charges against them because just because I say I saw something may not
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mean that it provides them with any of evidentiary value other than me saying so yeah we have one eyewitness but in
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this case like you've talked about there's multiple eyewitnesses but if all of them came together now you're
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building a way stronger case but then it becomes this very odd situation where it's like well nobody really wants to
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come forward and they'll leak stuff to the family to try to make the family feel better but if all those individuals
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uh went and made sworn statements that they'd be building a way bigger case against these individuals 100% And this
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community is is starved for this thing to be over with this community I that's that's where that's where I'm
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trying to rally the troops in a way of saying you know what let's it takes a community to raise a child let's in this
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situation it might take a community to get Justice for a child and it also might take a community to come together
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and get Justice for Travis Colmes as well jaz's body was found just feet from the road it's really hard for me to
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understand how he remained there for so much time undetected now the people that I spoke
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to who are close to the case and know some of the inside information about it and this is just their opinion I I don't
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know that this is scientific fact nobody told me that but every one of them seemed to believe that he was there for
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a very long time even though I'm having trouble wrapping my head around it they say trust me Nick he was there for a
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very long time he was missing for 17 months now that doesn't mean he was there from the moment he disa appeared
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it could have been days afterwards and that's what I suspect and I think that there's information out there to suggest
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that he was Elsewhere for a short period of time but unfortunately he there's no
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nice way to put it he he lied there in that area in that location for a very long time and that's one thing that his
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mother is very upset about and rightfully so uh but as we said the police are not saying whether they
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believe that jabz was there the whole time or whether the body was dumped there after he was kept elsewhere
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they're just not they're not commenting on that they've not even released the cause of death but we do have
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information that a virtually complete skeleton was found with with just two tiny bones and a front tooth missing we
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also know that police impounded and searched the vehicle being driven at the time by who I'm calling the suspect
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JJ so perhaps they have suspicions that his vehicle was somehow involved now Jr the pi the private investigator told us
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that it is his belief that jaz's phone which has never been found was thrown out of the window of a vehicle as it
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traveled this accounting for why it pinged in an area that was not near where the body was found at all the
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phone continued to ring for about 36 hours after jabz went missing this before the phone went dead so usually
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late in these episodes Captain we start getting into some of our thoughts or some of the more popular theories out
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there in a case and when we talk about popular theories in this case for jabz span what could have happened to him so
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what there there's only one real Theory here and to me there's only one that makes sense based off of eyewitness
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reports and what the locals know from those who are talking it's the no snitching rule if you talk you'll be
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punished or you'll be killed which well sometimes in a missing person case there's just theories and there might
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not be a lot of evidence in this case there's evidence that points you know it it funnels you into the theory yeah and
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it's just I think it's just a a small matter of tying all this stuff together and lying it all out in a way that makes
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sense and it tells the complete story and then we can start putting people where they belong which is behind bars
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so when when we explore this Theory and and I hope I'm not speaking at a turn uh
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for you here Captain I when I say I only believe there to be one Theory I think I
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think you probably agree with that is that correct well there's too there's too many eyewitnesses to assume that
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there's other theories so if we're going by this what I'm calling the no snitching rule
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Theory you know if you talk you could be you could be killed or you could be harmed in some
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way look I get it we we've you know I'm not going to claim to be from anywhere that I'm not or to claim to know
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anything more about certain Lifestyles or or certain neighborhoods or anything like that that I just don't but you do
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have that but you do have that Thug Life tat across your I mean there's just there's
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just some stuff that can only come with real life experiences that I just don't have and but what I can say you know
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from seeing it on TV watching the movies or hearing hearing other people's real life stories I know that this no
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snitching thing is a real thing in in some walks of life but in this particular situation in this particular
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area look I've spoke to some of the locals they've told me this this is unheard of in this area that there can
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never think of another time in the history these are people older than me that have told me I can never recall
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another crime that was reported that it that somebody was killed because they knew something or because they were
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talking and the thing that makes this so damn stupid here in this particular instance is a couple of things one Bez
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may have witnessed something it seems almost a certainty that he did witness something the problem is he was walking
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around of his own free will for a week before he went missing he wasn't going to police he wasn't even communicating
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what he saw to his family he was just talking to his friends like a normal 14-year-old kid would talk this kid was
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not a snitch in in the sense of the word or or in the sense of the term right he
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but again it could have been a situation like they said one of the friends is saying I'm I told him not to smoke with
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everybody it could be as as far as these you know quote unquote thugs they they killed
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Travis maybe it's a robbery gone bad or whatever but like we stated before it ends in a murder and then maybe it took
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him a week to realize we we have a eyewitness and we're smoking with that eyewitness
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something was said something was done and then and then he stands up for himself and says hey well you guys did
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this and if I have to go to police I will we don't know that information right he he could have said the wrong
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thing to the wrong person I I get that I just I don't know it seems to me like there is a chance that these morons who
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killed Travis panicked and they took it to another level and and and somehow tricked Jaz and then killed him as well
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which may have been totally unnecessary is what I'm one that I'm getting at and then two the other thing that makes this
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no snitching rule that these guys pretend to be living by so freaking stupid to me is that we have evidence we
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have reports that all three of these guys and I I want to be clear about that I'm pretty certain we we have witnesses
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saying three people involved in Travis Colmes is is murder I believe all three of those guys plus maybe one or two more
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people may have been involved in the whole jabz span mess which that means a some form of abduction probably some
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form of holding him and then of course killing this young boy but we have reports that all three of these guys
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they themselves were talking yeah they weren't talking to police but they were telling others what they did who killed
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who who you know who was involved in what so these these guys that pretend to be
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living by this no snitching rule they're all talking they're all telling people what's going on now to further out this
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Theory a bit an aunt of Travis Colmes this is Teresa Richardson told the media that jabz was killed because he
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witnessed her nephew's murder Travis's murder right outside her door she said jabz knew Travis well and and he started
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to talk about what he saw and her opinions that's what cost him his life toan span agrees she believes that her
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son was silenced because of what he knew and because he wasn't following the unwritten no snitching rules he wasn't
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actually naming names as far as anyone knows but he was telling people that he knew who had done it at least one woman
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that Jr knows of told bz to keep quiet for his own good well these three guys these three individuals are three pieces
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of [ __ ] and and also though I think it's it's the community making a statement
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the the community is making the statement that this 14-year-old boy that had some promise had some Talent had you
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know was making the right decisions going to school getting good grades being kind to other people this kid well
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we're not backing him up we're backing up the three pieces of [ __ ] that robbed a guy and murdered a
00:31:02
guy in front of everybody and that are probably stealing from their own community and they're bullying people
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within their own Community that's we're making a stand for them by not doing anything by not standing up you are
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making a stand you're saying this is acceptable and and if uh this kid died because he saw something he shouldn't
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well that's just fine that's this the statement that this community is making toana actually feels
00:31:33
that it's likely that jabz did not feel he was in any danger from The Killers of
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Travis Colmes because some of the suspects were pretty close to jabz and his family these were people he knew and
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could identify but also people that he probably did not think would harm him she also believes that it's possible
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that someone told his abductor where he would be that night or even arranged for him to be
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so we need to announce have we officially announced that we are going to be at this year's crime Con in
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Orlando Florida that was supposed to be top secret oh we are uh they have forbade us from telling you that we will
00:35:08
be there the crowds they didn't want the crowds to get out of hand yes we'll be in Orlando Florida you're going to be in
00:35:15
Florida half the year then right all right so if you want more information here's what you do you just simply
00:35:22
Google crime con 2020 that will take you right to their website and you can find
00:35:28
all the information there there are going to be other wonderful people there as well but we will certainly be there
00:35:34
and the dates for that May 1st through 3rd in wonderful Orlando Florida and please use our code if you're looking to
00:35:43
buy tickets you can save some cashola by using R code TCG 2020 TCG 2020 cheers to you captain don't have to
00:35:57
go to Crime conon all weekend they actually have day passes as well so if you're in the local area it might be
00:36:04
something you want to check out for a day and plus we'll probably do a outside of the crime con Meetup at some bar like
00:36:12
we normally do and one thing that I will say real quickly here is I've been asked
00:36:17
many times by people they say look I've never gone Nick is crime conon worth it and I always say yeah I'm Blown Away by
00:36:25
the amount of events in the amount of things that they have to see and do there it's like going to an amusement
00:36:31
park where you just can't do everything that they have to offer so we hope that you will join us in Orlando for this
00:36:38
year's crime con now jaz's mother toana span I think she's a very very brave woman in fact she told us that when you
00:36:50
are trying to locate your missing child you do not feel any fear perhaps this is
00:36:56
how when jabz first went missing and rumors were swirling about who was involved she was able to confront Curtis
00:37:04
remember he's one of our suspects and ask him quote do you know what happened to my son who loved
00:37:11
you she says that when she asked him this Curtis's first response was who told you that she also talked to the
00:37:20
third suspect who was seen running away with Curtis this is Curtis's friend who we've already mentioned Wheelock who
00:37:28
denied having anything to do with what happened he did say to her I thought they would have found jabz by now this
00:37:37
was a long time before jaz's body was found toana took this to mean that Wheelock knew that they had dumped jabz
00:37:47
somewhere where he was likely to be found and probably likely to be found fairly quickly Street rumors tell us
00:37:56
that Wheelock very recently confessed to someone while he was partying while he was high or drunk that he was paid to
00:38:05
take care of jabz and wock and Curtis were both picked up by police after jabz first went missing well before his body
00:38:14
was found but neither were arrested now I want to be clear here we do not know because this is Police business Official
00:38:21
Police business we do not know whether they were picked up to be interrogated about jabz being missing or if they were
00:38:29
picked up for other reasons we we just don't know yeah or Travis's murder correct that could be a possibility as
00:38:37
well now JJ the other suspect was also picked up and questioned about jabz that's what the reports are he told Jr
00:38:47
the private investigator that he didn't have anything to do with what happened to jabz but the other guys Weck and
00:38:55
Curtis I want to clear something up up here JJ refers to Curtis by his nickname which is tank so his exact statement was
00:39:04
but the other guys Wheelock and tank might have see this is where I get into this whole thing of if you're living by
00:39:13
this no snitching rule why Don't You observe this rule yourself and quit telling everybody else what you've done
00:39:19
or what you've seen or what you they're dumb asses they're dumb asses that's why
00:39:24
they're committing crimes cuz they're not smart enough or capable enough to do anything else now apparently I've been
00:39:32
told that JJ also told someone that he that he personally was afraid that what happened to jabz could happen to him
00:39:43
personally now toana and Jr the private investigator of course have other theories now that doesn't mean that they
00:39:51
have other theories in regards to jabz this is not about who killed jabz it's pretty clear it is one of these
00:39:59
guys Curtis Wheelock or JJ but about what or how deep this whole plot could go they do not believe that the robbery
00:40:11
of Travis Colmes was spontaneous and they cite this because they say Travis had not planned to be in
00:40:20
Sarasota that day for reasons we cannot get into and so whoever targeted him knew that they may have known that his
00:40:30
plans had recently changed I was being told that his plans changed the night before or even as late as the morning of
00:40:37
it's possible that whoever robbed him and killed him that somehow they had knowledge about where he would be and
00:40:45
probably Insider knowledge that he would have money and or marijuana on him at the time yeah or
00:40:55
maybe even something bigger I mean just because the the rumors out there or the speculation out there is that he just
00:41:03
sold weed there's look you got into that because of the money and could you got into something else CU you're going to
00:41:11
make a little more money but what we do have is Witnesses hearing people say give us whatever and Travis saying I
00:41:20
don't got it you know so so like you said these guys playing something out and they were looking for something and
00:41:28
Travis was claiming he don't I don't have it yeah it it seems to me like there's there's enough talk enough
00:41:36
evidence here that the three men who surrounded Travis's vehicle who killed him and disposed of the car I think they
00:41:45
they planned this event whether there was anyone else involved behind the scenes who set Travis up or ordered that
00:41:53
jabz be taken out that's I think purely speculation but clearly someone orchestrated the robbery and then wanted
00:42:01
to send a message and chose to use jabz to do it one of the truly terrible things about this case and there's many
00:42:10
terrible things about this case but one of the truly terrible things about this case and you've mentioned this already
00:42:17
Captain is how many people seem to have Intel about what happened to jabz and who did it but won't talk it's one of
00:42:25
the few cases we've covered where there are known suspects but cops just can't pin the crime on them we know that one
00:42:34
of jaz's friends told Lucille that jabz was in Bradenton which is where he was eventually found how did he know that
00:42:43
another witness told the private investigator that the family was not going to like what was done to jaz's
00:42:50
face this was before his body was found remember he was missing a tooth that we know of that was one thing that was
00:42:57
reported again how did he know this how did he have this Insider information and
00:43:03
some witnesses were shut down from speaking with authorities altogether by their parents now I want to go on record
00:43:10
and say I get that I get that I get the parents saying you know what I I don't feel comfortable with you
00:43:18
talking um I understand that but every every like I said everybody here everybody that's not coming forward with
00:43:26
information they're they're making a stand whether they think they are or not they're basically saying the bad guys
00:43:33
win the innocent kid that died who cares and and that's what I want for my community that's what they're stating so
00:43:43
if they say well that's not what I want but that's what your actions prove you know so it doesn't matter if you I
00:43:51
always tell people don't don't give a [ __ ] about people's words it's their act
00:43:56
ACS their actions prove and everybody's actions here prove they don't they don't
00:44:01
want a safer Community they don't want a community that people feel safe to go to
00:44:06
law enforcement and and to say this crime happened they don't want that because if they did they would take a
00:44:14
stand the the sad irony here is the result of all of this fear and silence is that the bad guys are being protected
00:44:22
the bad guys are being protected while an innocent young boy paid the ultimate price now a community activist in New
00:44:31
Town named Wayne Washington who was a contact person for the family and led several of the search parties for jabz
00:44:39
he asked community members to reconsider the so-called no snitch rule he said we
00:44:46
let our kids kill each other and we don't say anything about it they tell us not to snitch and that is wrong
00:44:54
detective Megan buck one of the two detectives currently on the case said to People magazine quote somebody knows
00:45:02
something it's so sad and no one is helping his friends aren't talking nobody's talking yeah but on top of that
00:45:10
you also have a a pastor that comes forward with some information and then backs off it's it's absolutely
00:45:18
ridiculous you know it's oh well if you if you question me more I'm I'm going to
00:45:24
use these little Loop holes there's supposed to be a separation of church and state but we create these loopholes
00:45:30
so the pastor then can just say I don't need to talk to police that God that you're praying to every week uh might
00:45:38
have some kind of judgment for you at the end of all this for not coming forward not taking a stand yeah I I
00:45:45
agree with that but he's the pastor is not the only one that gets to invoke this privilege now in his defense what
00:45:53
his public statement is is that he had no real knowledge of he's saying nobody came to him directly specifically about
00:46:02
jabz spans right so he's just hearing Rumblings in the community he yeah he could be hearing rumors and he may have
00:46:08
thought hey maybe they have no idea maybe they you know their investigation is a search in the dark right now they
00:46:16
they you know they have no breadcrumbs at all maybe I could at least pass along some rumors that I heard well great now
00:46:23
I sound like a pastor hater [Laughter] well I don't think you're aor but I I get I won't speak for all the listeners
00:46:31
I'm sure somebody's uh very upset with you right now but one thing that I think we all should be very upset about is I
00:46:38
want to reference another crime that took place in this community and you know this is this is a situation where
00:46:47
there's there's a young man who his name was Christopher Ramos and I believe he yes he was 26 years old at the time that
00:46:55
he was killed this is an article from uh September of last year of 2019 it says two charged in Sarasota
00:47:06
murder deputies seek more information well the result of this whole thing and I won't read the entire story but they
00:47:15
arrest two young men this is sha Thomas and Devon Lee well these two young men are suspected of killing this other
00:47:26
man Christopher Ramos who was just 26 years old this is important this story is important to the jabz story and to
00:47:35
Travis coles's story for many reasons for me and and and first of all is Rayos this Christopher Ramos there are plenty
00:47:45
of Rumblings that he ran around with our three suspects that he was known to hang
00:47:51
out with that group probably even committed crimes with these guys I don't know that there's enough out there to
00:47:57
suggest that he was involved somehow in Travis's death or jaz's death but he's somehow all wrapped up and tied into
00:48:06
this thing his name is weaved in and out of the storylines of this big case well
00:48:13
he's killed and he's he's a thug I I mean I'm sorry to the to his family I'm sorry that you lost him and I you don't
00:48:22
deserve that he didn't deserve to lose his life either but the problem that I have here is this article clearly states
00:48:32
it was the community it was tipsters that provided the information to detectives that led to the arrest of
00:48:39
these two other guys of of this uh Thomas and Lee characters so what you're saying that the community then spoke up
00:48:48
and said hey this Thug this Thug that was doing no good right he he it's protecting the bad
00:48:56
guy yeah a bad guy was protected people were were willing to come forward and here here's the in the information I
00:49:03
have is basically Christopher Ramos robed somebody and somebody that was either tied to one of these two guys or
00:49:13
both of them or one of these guys directly yeah he robbed them this guy is picked up on other
00:49:21
charges and has to serve eight months in jail okay he gets out 8 months later and goes
00:49:29
and retaliates against Christopher Ramos and kills him for for robbing him right
00:49:35
that's really the underlining story that's the behindth scenes story of why that young man is now not with us and
00:49:45
again it's like C can you can you come forward who whoever came forward in that particular
00:49:52
case should be an inspiration for these people to come forward for jaz's murder and for Travis coles's murder and look I
00:50:01
understand that Travis Colmes was out pedling weed um and I understand that jabz was not you know may not have been
00:50:09
a saint I'm not a saint we all were 14 years old at one time and we all smoked a cigar or did something stupid with our
00:50:16
friends we all did that yeah jez is an innocent child at the end of the day he's an innocent child and he was taken
00:50:24
from us by some of these some of these real [ __ ] who can't even follow their own quote unquote Street code and
00:50:33
it's time to put them away and look here's the other thing these guys the three that we're talking about they
00:50:40
commit crimes on The Daily on The Daily it's part of their it's part of their regular weekly routine they're always
00:50:49
looking to rob somebody they're always looking to take advantage of someone they are always looking to hurt someone
00:50:56
they are bad terrible horrible people and if you don't know anything about jaz's murder or Travis colm's murder but
00:51:03
you know that one of these three or all of these three have done something else that's terrible go tell the police go
00:51:09
get them locked up for anything anything it doesn't have to be for the murder of
00:51:13
jabz or for Travis Colmes get them behind bars that is where they belong your streets will be safer if you do
00:51:21
that your community will be better for it these are bad people do not convince yourself otherwise yeah and don't
00:51:29
convince yourself that you're safe either as long as these pieces of [ __ ] are out on the street nobody's safe
00:51:36
because like you said they they don't follow their own code and so guess what if you're protecting a piece of
00:51:45
[ __ ] guess what you smell something that's because you use a piece of [ __ ] and then when a piece of [ __ ] possibly
00:51:55
is murdered and then you stand up and then you you protect him by then going after his Killers then what doesn't that
00:52:03
make the community too shitty well no I'm not going I mean you can do that but I'm not going to
00:52:09
fault anybody for coming forward in saying hey I know who killed Christopher Ramos that's the right thing to do no
00:52:14
what I'm saying is it doesn't make any sense doesn't make any sense it doesn't make any sense the people the people
00:52:21
that have information about the murder of Christopher Ramos may have no information about jabz or right I age I
00:52:27
we we can't believe that we don't have anything or any reason to believe that those are the same people and and here's
00:52:34
what I firmly believe if in fact that I wish they were the same people because those people would have came forward
00:52:40
obviously against jabz or what have came forward I mean for jabz or for Travis and I mean
00:52:50
really there's just a lot of there's a lot of activity here there's a lot of rumors there's a lot of things that are
00:52:57
going on in the streets a lot of Talk Amongst these these circles and here's the thing that I I
00:53:05
want to take this even a step further to not even to go beyond the good people in
00:53:13
the community because this is a community filled with lots and lots and lots of good wonderful people lots of
00:53:21
good families but here's the thing I want to go beyond that and I want to talk to the three suspects that we have
00:53:28
called out on this show if you're one of those three guys everybody knows you know your
00:53:37
buddies are talking you know you've told people what you've done or what you've saw what you've witnessed what you've
00:53:43
been a part of if you want to do something good for yourself it's time for you to go to
00:53:52
police and for you to go to detectives because guess what what it's only a matter of time before one of your
00:53:58
so-called buddies one of your so-called friends who think about the other two in
00:54:06
your group for a second think about all the terrible things that they've done or
00:54:09
been involved in think about what kind of what kind of person they really really are they're not going to have
00:54:16
your back at the end of the day they're not going to have your back when they're
00:54:19
pushed into a corner it's only a matter of time before one of these turds turns on the other two
00:54:25
and if you want to be the smartest guy in that terrible group you better be the one that turns first do something good
00:54:34
for yourself now the other sad sad sad thing here that that just breaks my damn heart is
00:54:45
is that the tragedy of this case is that jabz span was truly just in the wrong place at the wrong time he was last seen
00:54:56
less than 200 yards from the vacant lot where he came out of a friend's house and witnessed the shooting of Travis
00:55:03
Colmes right in his own backyard both his case and that of Travis colm's case both of these cases remain unsolved
00:55:13
these are unsolved cases jaz's case is an open active homicide investigation according to the private investigator
00:55:22
Anto jaz's family Jr and toana had a meeting with detectives this took place in early November of last year this to
00:55:32
exchange information and toana says that law enforcement is diligently working on
00:55:38
her son's case that they are all on the same page and she just tries to stay out
00:55:44
of the way of the investigators unless she has information to relay we spoke to detective Buck she did tell us that the
00:55:53
investigation is open and active and that the $50,000 reward for information leading to an arrest is still available
00:56:04
but the fact remains the same men who were suspected in the early stages of the investigation Remain the suspects to
00:56:12
this day yeah although they've never been officially named as such authorities just need that little bit of
00:56:20
additional evidence before they can make arrest in the murder of say spam in a surprising turn of events prosecutors
00:56:30
dropped the accessory after the fact charges against Reginal Parker now he does remain in jail on charges of
00:56:39
failing to report in as a sex offender yeah where he will be until 2022 but he isn't getting any legal
00:56:49
pressure to talk about jabz span's case that we know of yeah again like I said I
00:56:54
think that's a a lot of pressure or if you feel a threat of death to come forward again what information do some
00:57:03
of these individuals have is it just secondhand information but if these people could
00:57:09
come together collectively I think it would be a lot more powerful and they'd probably feel a
00:57:15
lot more safe as well but again easier said than done I am I am so hopeful and I'm very optimistic and I think there's
00:57:25
plenty of reason to be optimistic that this case will be solved and I feel and I have had people tell me that it's as
00:57:33
plain and as simple as this if you can solve Travis coles's murder you'll solve jabz span's murder if you if you can
00:57:41
solve jabz span's murder you will solve Travis colm's murder that's the only way
00:57:47
for your community to heal let's get these cases off of the books Let's get further closure for these families these
00:57:55
families are still trying to live their lives and still trying to cope they're still grieving they're still trying to
00:58:02
in a sense you never truly can move on but they're trying to move on and I I thank God that jabz span was finally
00:58:11
found and I and and my heartbreaks so much for his mother and grandmother and extended family that they had to wait so
00:58:18
long and go through that misery for 17 almost 18 months again I I want to make sure that I give a big big shout out to
00:58:27
the Peace River search and rescue team uh for their fantastic efforts for for efforts over the course of many many
00:58:36
many months donating time efforts uh a lot of people came together to try to find this young boy now to learn more
00:58:46
about what they do and they are doing so many so many good things and or to make
00:58:51
a donation you can visit them at PR RS ar.org now jabz jaz's mother has created a nonprofit foundation called the jabz
00:59:04
span foundation in his memory it acts as a resource for families of missing children the website isn't up and
00:59:12
running yet but you can follow the foundation on Facebook if anyone has any information on either of
00:59:23
these unsolved cases on the unsolved murder of Travis Colmes or if you have any information about the unsolved
00:59:31
murder of jabz span please please call detective Kim lter at 941 364 7327 or call the Sarasota Crim Stoppers
00:59:46
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