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[Music] unfortunately Amy Baker is no longer with us and 33 years ago someone took
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her life after she ran into car trouble on the side of Interstate 95 way back in
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1989. now police have been up front and investigators have been up front with the public here captain and telling us
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here is what happened and the reason why they are telling us in this case and which is a little bizarre because we've
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seen in other cases where they tell us nothing about what they know that happened and still ask us for our help
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us being the public the older we're going to keep the information close to the vest statement in this case they're
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saying here is what happened public now please help us out and you'll see why they are desperate for information from
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the public based off of the evidence what the evidence suggests to them in this case so police have said repeatedly
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in the case of Amy Baker that what happened that night was that Amy ran out of gas she decided to leave
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her vehicle she walked started walking toward the this gas station that was nearby and someone unknown to her
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abducted raped and murdered her along her way along the way to getting help for her vehicle we have several reports
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that will back up this statement from the local law enforcement the first being from the Richmond Times Dispatch
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that says quote the night of March 29 1989 Amy Elizabeth Baker was driving South on Interstate 95
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when her 1970 Volkswagen broke down forcing her to pull onto the shoulder just south of State Route 617 617 exit
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in Fairfax police believe the 18-year-old Stafford woman was walking up the exit ramp
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and had nearly reached the top about 9 15 PM when she was confronted by her assailant she was then forcibly taken
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into the nearby Woods sexually assaulted and strangled this again all according to the police another report that backs
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this up comes from the Washington examiner that reports on May 29 1989 Baker was driving South on Interstate 95
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when her car stalled out around 9 00 PM the 18 year old left her blue 1970 Volkswagen Beetle on the shoulder and
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started walking toward an Exxon station on nearby Blacklick Road police believe someone accosted Baker at the top of the
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exit ramp and forced her into the woods now note that this time frame right the 9 pm sighting makes a lot of sense the
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police spotted the beetle after 10 pm with the hazard lights on but Amy left her aunt's house around 8 20. the
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distance between Falls Church in Newington is about 20 miles it should have taken Amy maybe 30 minutes even
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with some traffic to get where her car was found it seems that if Amy was seen this is all key to this case we have an
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eyewitness now it seems that if Amy was seen around nine the timing lines up nearly
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perfectly yeah and in so many cases that we've covered the timelines don't line up so it also means that her car was
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there for we could say quite a while before it was spotted by the trooper around 10 and and
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the original report says just after 10 p.m we had a press release that was issued in 2010. note the years
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right this case takes place in 1989. we have the the police actively asking the public for help in this case
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we yesterday we cited a 2005 request from law enforcement to the public asking for whoever called Crime Stoppers
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on April 3rd 1989 with some information please call us back we are still looking
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for you we want to talk to you we believe you know something that is of great importance to this case and to
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this investigation that's 2005. this press release is 2010. so what should be of no and should be a kudos to the
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police and in the investigators in this case is that they have actively been working this case all of these years
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later so this press release that was issued in 2010 says it's titled 1989 homicide of Amy Baker
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and this is now the Cold Case investigation that is happening in her case and the
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Fairfax County crime solvers had this news release from the Cold Case investigation in
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2010. it says crime solvers seeking information on Cold Case homicide Fairfax County crime solvers is seeking
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is still seeking The public's assistance identifying the person responsible for a
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homicide that occurred 21 years ago about 9 pm on Wednesday March 29 1989 18 year old Amy Baker was driving
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Southbound on Interstate 95 near Blacklick Road when her car experienced difficulties
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Amy abandoned her blue 1970 Volkswagen Bug and walked up the exit ramp onto Blacklick Road toward the Exxon gas
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station I believe it's called back lick Road and not Black Lick Road detectives believe that her attacker confronted her
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and forced her into the woods near the top of the exit ramp where she was sexually assaulted and strangled her
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body which was found two days later was partially buried in some leaves detectives continue to investigate her
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death and would like to speak with anyone who may have been in the area at the time of the attack or who may have
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knowledge of the incident in addition to the one thousand dollar cash reward offered by crime solvers a 26 thousand
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dollar private reward is also being offered for information which leads to an arrest and indictment in this case
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anyone with information is asked to contact crime solvers by phone at 1 1-866-411 tips which is 8477 you could
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also email at www.fairfaxcrimesolvers.org or text tip 187 tip187 plus your message to
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crimes274-637 as always callers never have to give their names or appear in court well a couple things that I find
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difficult in this one is that nobody no eyewitnesses that we know of saw another vehicle
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but because this is so close to an exit ramp I also I often wonder with this case did the perpetrator
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get off the exit park somewhere and then walk back on foot that way they could make they could
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commit the crime they could commit the rape the murder and then walk back to their vehicle I would like a better
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description of what the officer who spotted these vehicles remember the vehicles that they were asking the
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public to call about so a couple things here what this tells me is those even though those are pretty
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vague descriptions either that information didn't reach those drivers and they don't know to
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reach out to police or one of those drivers does not want police knowing that they were in the
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area that night and so what I'm talking about is that 80s Buick and the um Ford Escort that police were asking for
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I want more of a description by law enforcement of why are these vehicles of importance okay they were in the area is
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what we're told what does in the area mean were they parked alongside the interstate or was one of them seen on
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Blacklick Road or were these just simply vehicles that had happened to pass by uh around the time the other thing
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that's difficult though too Captain is the vehicles that are in question that the police are asking about information
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for those Vehicles we have to keep in mind were spotted by the state trooper which
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would have been after 10 pm her car based off of the timeline that we've gone through and I know it was a little
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repetitive for the listeners there but the reason why we went through multiple reports was to confirm what police have
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said always has happened in this case right that around 9 00 PM her vehicle was already broken down out of gas
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hazards on she's on foot and they have a witness some kind of witness has told them that she was spotted on foot up
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near the exit ramp right so she had made it at least a short distance before someone accosted her those are are their
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words and so they have reason to believe based off of this eyewitness deciding that she made it pretty close to this
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gas station before the abductor happened upon her so again that again this is this is all
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very weird stuff because I keep going back to how the vehicle was found and it's found in the unlocked State the the
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doors were not locked now that could just be simple it could be something as simple as she intended to lock the doors
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but for whatever reason failed to do so because the change in her pocket suggests to me her intention was to call
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for help and remember she's only about 20 minutes away from her home my guess here if I had to try to crawl
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inside the victim's mind here would be that her intentions were to call home ask Dad or Mom to come and meet her her
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or bring her gasoline because there's nobody saying that she had a gas can which which is a little
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weird to me too seeing how this is not the first time that she's run into this problem
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but it all indicators to me are the is that she made an effort to lock her personal belongings in her vehicle
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flashers on and intended to make a phone call and then be back at her vehicle rather quickly and this gas station's
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not terribly far from her car so and I want to point that out that's something that I think when we attempt to profile
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our victim in our victims movements of that night to me that is very key because I know there's a lot of people
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out there out there that are going to say well maybe somebody offered her help and she got into somebody's vehicle
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that's certainly a possibility but I would put it at the very low probability based off of two things one if I'm an 18
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year old woman and I'm on the side of the road at night and I can see the Exxon station from my
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broken down vehicle I ain't getting in nobody's car I'm walking to that gas station and two
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we have what police tell us are and I witnessed that saw her walking and saw her up near
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that exit ramp right so here here becomes another question though if you're an 18 year old
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female and you're walking and you can see the gas station you're not going to get in the car of a
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stranger that doesn't mean you wouldn't get in a car if somebody you were familiar with
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and I also wonder is where the body was found is that the crime scene because if she did get into a vehicle
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it's very likely that the vehicle became the crime scene and they decided to drop her back off
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at this point they would have access to her keys and so they could have unlocked the door
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they could have been the ones to put on the flashers who knows yeah I mean it's it's difficult to say
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exactly what happened here but we do have the statements of police that seem pretty definitive in their statements of
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her car broke down ran out of gas she was walking on foot when she was accosted and abducted by somebody
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unknown to her and taken into the woods where she was assaulted and killed there
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um again we don't know exactly what they're basing all that information off of we do
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know that there was a an eyewitness um that saw her walking but for them to repeat that statement to the
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public and then ask the public for help time and time again it sounds to me like
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they have reason to be very locked in on that situation the other thing too is and and I know I've said this in a in a
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previous episode and somebody tried to challenge me on it but I have reviewed hundreds of cases I've never ever recall
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and you sometimes you're playing the probability and you're playing the numbers here when you're trying to
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profile these things but I've never reviewed a case where somebody has abducted sexually assaulted and killed
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and then returned to the area where they were abducted from it's to me I'm not saying it's never ever
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happened in the history of mankind what I'm saying is out of the hundreds of cases I've reviewed that it's I've never
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come across that once so that being the situation I would put that at uh very very small probability
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well obviously technology has changed since 1989 but don't you think because of the
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sexual assault because of the rape because of the strangulation that we would have some kind of evidence to test
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now to get this you know douchebag to get this murderer off the streets well the answer to that is I have two
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answers for you yes and no and as as we will see we'll get into it so luckily we
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have um some more information that comes by way of the family and this is really
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important information to me here Captain because it's coming from Mary who is Amy Baker's Aunt who was with
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Amy Baker's mother Sue Mary's the one that that first finds the body and she posted on a Fairfax message
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board about the case and I'm going to just read part of her post for the listeners because it was rather lengthy
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but here's the important stuff is is as the colonel sees it so it says quote thank you for your concern and
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compassion about Amy her car broke down at 9 30 at night and it was dark outside
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at the time it is believed she was walking to the gas station to call someone for help but never made it that
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far before being abducted I had parked my car at the gas station the morning we started searching for her and you
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couldn't see the spot where we found her from there however since she broke down on
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Interstate 95 I still find it hard to believe with all of the traffic at that exit that no one saw her with anyone
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we know she made it part way to the station before being abducted and Newington is always a busy interchange
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Blacklick which is the other Road did go across 95 at the time remember we had said that that area has changed a little
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bit and we believe she was heading for the gas station on Blacklick near the top of
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the ramp the only businesses around that area at that time were the Newington motel and the Exxon station
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no the ramp was not icy that night in fact it was very warm for a March night almost like spring we do know she made
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it to the top of the ramp and everyone was checked out that worked close to that area that night she never made it
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to the Exxon station if she had she would have made a phone call for help and a call was never made
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she had relatives that drove tow trucks that's very important and she would have
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called them not the first time she had broken down but in a different car she knew who to call
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and then it said and then just some items from my notes here remember the change was found in the pocket of Amy
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shorts we know this based off of the police reports and we know that her wallet was found in her vehicle
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so her aunt is pointing out that the most likely spot or I'm sorry what her aunt is pointing
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out is likely spot on Amy intended to use the pay phone at that Exxon station to call for help
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yeah the problem with some of these cases again is technology because at this point you know
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today if somebody makes a call well one they could have a cell phone so they could call you at the side of the road
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but let's say she made it to the gas station and made some phone calls I'm sure there was not everybody in her
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family that she could have called pulled their phone records to see if she called
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but because of the change because nobody is is admitting that they heard from her
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it's probably more likely like you said what they believe that she never made it
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to the gas station she never was able to make a call again I'm putting a lot of weight in the the investigator
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statements to the public they're not going to try to mislead us and then ask us for our help we you know as stated
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one we don't have anybody saying that they spoke to to Amy via phone that night and you're
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right Captain we I'm sure that not everyone that's related to her or um who she may have attempted to call
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that the phone records were in fact checked or confirmed that she didn't call them but we also have the statement
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that everybody that worked in the area at that time has been interviewed by police so what I'm getting at is we have
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zero eyewitnesses that put her at the Payphone zero eyewitnesses that put her at or inside the Exxon gas station this
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is a congested area high traffic area and I also imagine we don't have a ton of people that she's going to call it's
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not a list of 30 people it sounds like she would have called her home or she would have called one of these
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relatives that owned a tow truck I'm look I I know that we live in a different world today than we did in 89
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and nobody can remember anybody's phone number because we don't have to these days but I I still can't imagine an 18
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year old woman knowing that the tow truck relative's phone number by heart I she's calling
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Mom and Dad and we have we have from the from the family statement that they were home that whole night
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so I again I'm just gonna have to go off of the police statements to the public base and based off of what we do know
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and what is pointed out that that has never been brought to to light that to believe otherwise that
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that she never made it to that Exxon station well it's so frustrating because one
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the cops show up they find the vehicle they don't find her if they do a better search they find her right away we're
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able to preserve the crime scene a little bit better but on top of that there's a lot of
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missing person cases where the the person wrecks on the side of the road but it's kind of a desolate
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Road there's not a lot of people on that road she is on a road where it's a I would say a pseudo-busy
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exit you have a hotel you have a gas station and especially at that time of night you
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have a gas station that is open because this is 89 not every station is going to
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be open 24 hours or even into the late night so it's just so frustrating that the
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cops didn't find her sooner and so frustrating that there's not an eyewitness coming forward
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and telling us more information that somebody chances are somebody saw something and just thought maybe never
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followed up on it or maybe never even heard about the crime because they were traveling and passing through the area
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or maybe they they knew something but they were afraid but either way it's it's so frustrating
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that you'd think in this case there would be some eyewitness that that could really put a nail and find this bastard
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and and get this guy off the streets [Music] foreign [Music] [Music] cheers mates
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welcome back so much more to get into and so such a frustrating case for the baker family cheers to you Colonel
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cheers Captain you're exactly right a frustrating case to the the heartbreaking and frustrating to the
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baker family and then frustrating to all involved and look again there were some
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mistakes made in our opinions early on in the case a great search was not done of that area and not that I
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would expect for a great search of that area to be conducted that night when her
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vehicle was found but certainly the next day and certainly given the items that were found in her vehicle I would have
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expected there to have been a better search of that area but we can't change that one and two the current day
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investigators are not responsible for those mistakes they they are currently Baker's case is very active and again I
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I only point that out based off of recent information coming out of law enforcement one and two you
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see the consistent and constant effort to ask the public for help we see this as late as 2005 and then again in 2010
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and 2011 and even in 2020 so there's been an effort to keep this case in the media and remind people from time to
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time that this case exists and that it's still unsolved and then we went through
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those multiple reports that were coming out early on in this case because I wanted everyone to understand the
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consistencies within those reports again it seems like police are pretty locked in on the
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following that Amy pulled over put on her hazards and started walking along the highway up the exit ramp again we
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know that a witness saw her walking since we know the timing and that she made it to the top of the exit ramp
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that's important the the the the quote that's been made of made it to the top of the exit ramp but here's the thing
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her body was found a mere 200 yards from her vehicle so we're sitting here you say frustrating Captain I agree we're
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sitting here going what the heck happened this area was not really a pedestrian area at all but it was a
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highly trafficked area Amy is walking so did some guy come along in a vehicle and
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and grab her and drag her into the woods or you know as you pointed out earlier there's still
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a possibility that pulls up in a vehicle and he drags her into the vehicle rapes
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and kills her in his vehicle and then but again I go to the idea of why backtrack to the area where the car was
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found just to get rid of the body this is right Beyond risky if the killer was in fact in a vehicle did he pull his
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vehicle over and chase her into the woods that too is risky right because his vehicle would be sitting there on the
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roadside it would have attracted some attention and we do have we do have the statement
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from police in 2005 that says police don't believe Amy knew her attacker rather it was believed to have been a
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crime of opportunity a stranger on Stranger attack unless the vehicle wasn't a car and it was something like a
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motorcycle where he could kind of hide it behind her car right that's what that's what I'm that's
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the thing that I can't get around in this case if the perpetrator did have some kind of vehicle motorcycles very
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interesting to think about if he did have a vehicle where did he leave the vehicle during
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the attack and during the murder again it's difficult too because we talked about this in the Nancy eagleson case
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that we covered not too long ago tire tracks would be key but you're not finding the body until two days later we
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know that there were would have been other vehicles that could have contaminated that area with tire tracks
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tire tracks near the body would be of of a bigger concern than tire tracks near where her car was found
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the other thing too we don't know did they dust her car for Prince because we said the possibility that he
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could have come back and placed a purse or something in the car right I I think that's the other thing though
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too is would she get into a car with somebody she didn't know they say most likely not but it's like
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or if she gets up to that exit so now she's inside of the gas gas station she feels a little more safe somebody pulls
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up and says hey can I help you no I'm I just ran out of gas and the guy says oh well I have a gas can
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and now it changes the whole game okay well I could call somebody and bother somebody and wait
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right wait all this time for them to get dressed and come you know come find me and they're going
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to have to get a gas can or something or we're gonna have to leave my car on the side of the road you see what I'm
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saying so it's like yeah maybe a normal situations Amy wanted to get in to a car
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with a stranger or get into a truck or get into a van with a stranger but what if they're offering such a
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simple solution oh well I got a gas can we can just go fill that up real quick and put some gas in your car and you'll
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be on your way or what if she didn't have a choice what if there's a situation where she's
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pulled in or there's a a gun a knife or something that's presented a Threat Level that's presented that she doesn't
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believe that she has a choice in the matter yeah it could have been Threat Level Midnight so let's go to 1995. this
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is going to be roughly about six years after Amy's murder this is when the Fairfax County's four-member Cold Case
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Squad was formed Amy's case was just one of many that the unit is going to be tasked with solving now as of 1998
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Fairfax County has 71 unsolved murder cases on the books dating as far back as 1964. Fairfax County Police have a good
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solvery they are closing more than 70 percent of the approximately 12 murders that occur in the county annually so a
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very good solve rate by Fairfax County there are between 1400 and 1500 officers on the force so a rather large Force
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um detective dick Klein inherited the cardboard box full of Amy Baker's murder investigation evidence
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this in 1992 after another detective resigned Amy's case still generates phone calls to the County's crime
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solvers hotline and two criminal investigators police continue to compare the circumstances of Amy's death with other
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seemingly unrelated but similar crimes around the country again they're working off of
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they seem to have evidence that they believe this is a stranger on Stranger crime So Good by them to be looking at
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similar crimes not just in their County not just in their state but around the country detective clients experience and
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the extreme violence of this crime of Amy Baker's murder has led this detective to conclude that whoever
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killed Amy baker has a police record believe it or not that's pretty much the end
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of what we know for sure about Amy's case except for one thing something you had asked about earlier captain
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there is DNA in this case so in 1999 detective Klein told the Times Dispatch that the autopsy on Amy
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turned up DNA evidence belonging to the killer detective Klein has had the DNA re-analyzed and run through a state
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database of known offenders the work allowed detective Klein to eliminate five names from a list of six suspects
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that he compiled so This Cold Case Detective comes up with six suspects after reviewing the evidence after reviewing
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the file and working the case for a period of time the DNA evidence that they have that was collected
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back in 1989 has eliminated five of those six suspects that this detective had repeat that again
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out of the six suspects they had five of them have been eliminated yes detective
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Klein after he worked the case he's a Cold Case detective after he had time to to review the evidence review the file
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test some things and work the case for a period of time he came up with what he says is six suspects
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and he says that the DNA evidence that was collected back then back in 1989 has eliminated five of those persons from
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his short list of six suspects well wouldn't that mean they have one left well there's some there's some problems
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so when earlier when I gave you the answer of yes and no when it comes to right don't we have something today that
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we can test that can lead us to finding this offender well there's a couple problems and this also creates a problem
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for the detective's statement that he believes based off of the evidence of the crime that he thinks whoever would
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have killed Amy Baker would have a police record so the offender's DNA is not encodis
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so what that means is they don't have anybody on file that doesn't mean that this guy never committed another crime
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this doesn't mean that he never committed another felony it just means that from the time that they started that
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CODIS started collecting DNA offender DNA the DNA that they're looking for in the Amy Baker case is not in the CODIS
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database as we just pointed out the DNA collected at the time did not match those five other suspects so let's get
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into the weeds a little bit and get into some better detail with this so this is
00:36:08
all based off of information that's coming from Fairfax County Police this says DNA evidence was also
00:36:16
collected at the scene but at the time the technology wasn't at the level that it is today there's no longer enough of
00:36:23
the sample left to conduct additional tests so basically they've used it all up the DNA
00:36:30
evidence that they had they used it all up the only hope now is that a suspect turns up and CODIS at some point or
00:36:39
police discover a suspect who is a match after a one-to-one comparison what I'm pointing out here Captain is that the
00:36:49
biological material that's left there's there's no more biological material left
00:36:54
so we cannot go and do a forensic genealogy right but you know think about this it's investigation
00:37:01
guy commits this crime in 89 maybe commits a similar crime and 90 when he's arrested for that crime he is then put
00:37:10
in prison but they don't take his DNA and then he's let's say murdered later on that year his information his DNA
00:37:18
would would have never been collected and there are so many obviously possibilities of this person being
00:37:26
arrested for another crime and them not getting his DNA that's correct that's that's absolutely correct
00:37:36
and so the other possibility that we have here that we should explore and this is where we need people that
00:37:44
know Amy Baker to come forward this is conversations that should have been had and maybe maybe these conversations took
00:37:51
place and that's why we are where we are today so I think it's probably uh an error on my
00:38:01
part to say that this is offender DNA that this is suspect DNA but we certainly see that they're using it to
00:38:09
eliminate people but I don't know where that DNA came from the the reports are that it was
00:38:18
collected at the scene where her body was found that you know and without getting too
00:38:24
you know I'm not going to get into to Too Much discussion of our victim here because we know that she was attacked
00:38:30
they believed that she was sexually assaulted uh that a rape was committed and then she was murdered that's been
00:38:37
their statement so based off of their statements I would suspect that to be the Killer's DNA it's
00:38:45
the it belongs to the the rapist and the killer who are the same person is there
00:38:50
a chance that we could have a situation where there was a consensual sexual encounter
00:38:56
leading up to her before her car breaks down I'm not saying you know sometime earlier that day
00:39:04
and this is kind of boogered up the investigation right because there's a chance that she
00:39:10
could have been abducted assaulted and killed but it's not in the traditional sexual
00:39:19
slash rape manner that we're thinking of so and I I bring all that messy stuff and disgusting stuff up for good reason
00:39:28
and that is because there is a suspect we we said that has not been cleared through
00:39:36
um sorry and I say that because there is that sixth suspect one who has not been cleared by DNA
00:39:45
so you think that that's pretty easy right but there's also a suspect that the police really like in this case
00:39:54
who has been cleared by the DNA well that's that's pretty interesting so that makes the DNA very confusing here in
00:40:02
this situation right and this this suspect is Melvin Irving shifflett so Melvin Shiflett is a convicted
00:40:12
murderer and he has also sexually assaulted and attempted to murder another victim but
00:40:20
thankfully she smacks him in the head with a bottle damn near knocks him out and she flees the scene and is later
00:40:27
able to testify against him so the sexual assault that he conducted on these two victims one that was
00:40:35
murdered one that he attempted to murder was that he forced the victim to perform
00:40:42
oral sex on him he was unable to perform he's unable to get an erection and yet he murders the
00:40:52
one victim and attempts to murder the other victim and by the way in both cases strangulation
00:41:01
was the method of murder and the method of attempted murder so this is not the kernel just bringing
00:41:08
up a suspect here this is a suspect that is being looked at in this case by the investigators that are working this case
00:41:16
yeah you're not being all willy-nilly or sing-along ding dong so where we see science help in so many cases we can
00:41:24
also see situations where science is confusing stupid science and it's not so helpful right but again
00:41:33
you would think that they would have information about Amy's personal life and details of the events of her
00:41:42
personal life that led up to her car running out of gas before she's because the period of time that goes
00:41:50
down between her running out of gas and the murder some of that's going to be based off of
00:41:56
science off of the coroner's findings at the autopsy and some of that's going to be based off
00:42:02
of eyewitnesses and who are those eyewitnesses the eyewitnesses are her family that know the time that she left their
00:42:13
home to travel home her family that she spoke to on the phone that says I'm leaving I'm on my
00:42:20
way home I'll be there soon and the potential witness that saw her at the top or near the top of the exit
00:42:28
ramp you are going to include all of those in your findings and in your statement
00:42:36
of making a time of death which they have stated occurred within 30 to maybe 60 minutes after she left her vehicle
00:42:49
we should point out a couple of things before we move off of this suspect Melvin Irving schifflett
00:42:56
so while I've seen two I've seen several reports that that make him the sixth suspect or an uncleared suspect again
00:43:05
the the clearing of five with the DNA based off the reports I've seen doesn't clear him in this case right he's one of
00:43:14
the five that the DNA doesn't match but to say that it cleared him is difficult because
00:43:21
it seems like he's remained on their list of suspects based off of his previous crimes
00:43:28
the murder that he committed the attempted murder that he he committed but the DNA
00:43:36
doesn't match up so I I we need to point out all angles here especially when we're talking about a quote unquote
00:43:44
suspect here right so we should note that Melvin Irving shiftlet he did get out of prison one month before Amy was
00:43:53
killed but one local paper this is the freelance star reported that Melvin Irvin schifflett one of the Region's
00:44:03
known Killers now serving time on rape and murder charges was cleared after a comparison with DNA evidence taken from
00:44:10
Amy's body so he he remains a a very confusing suspect in this case and in this on the list of suspects and we
00:44:21
don't have other people being named publicly it's very frustrating and frustrating
00:44:28
probably for law enforcement because so much time has gone by but even more frustrating for Amy Baker's family and
00:44:36
friends and loved ones and to expand on that frustration Captain we have a 2014 article again from the freelance star
00:44:44
that reports Fairfax police this is detective John Farrell who is the Cold Case officer in charge
00:44:53
at at the time of 2014 in charge of Amy's case he acknowledged publicly the frustration a case such as this brings
00:45:03
to the family and to police he would not speak at the time specifically about the
00:45:09
case in particular about the condition or the availability of DNA evidence that was recovered
00:45:15
from our victim we pretty much we got pretty much the same thing when we contacted the Fairfax police Cold
00:45:25
Case unit the the email that we received back was the Amy Baker case is an active case
00:45:31
being investigated by our Cold Case Squad due to the case being active I will not comment on suspect or evidence
00:45:39
status at this time we always welcome the documentaries so that the public knows we have not forgotten the victims
00:45:47
and the potential that someone out there listening will come forward with new information if you saw something say
00:45:55
something or if you've heard something say something this case is solvable this case is very solvable and it's one
00:46:05
captain that there there are some local rumors and such that that we didn't feel
00:46:11
would be appropriate to review here um for reasons that we cannot get into at this time but this is a case that you
00:46:20
may find us revisiting on off the Record at some point as as Clarity comes forward in some of this
00:46:29
information that we are currently sitting on again like the captain says if you if you saw something say
00:46:36
something if you know something that's I think that's the the other thing that we need to point
00:46:42
out here right a lot of time has expired between the time that Amy was killed and
00:46:48
today somebody likely has told somebody something along the way something that they did back in 1989
00:46:56
something that they're not proud of something that they they may even be scared of
00:47:01
uh somebody that's been looking over their shoulder all of this time so if anybody has said anything to you uh over
00:47:09
the years and you know something help this family out please please help this family out help them find some peace
00:47:16
right it's been a long time and Sue Baker and the the wonderful Baker family they deserve to
00:47:26
to have some peace and to get some justice for their daughter who never made it home that night
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Christopher Barry D titled talking with serial killers the most evil people in the world tell their own stories and I
00:48:11
blanked a couple weeks ago when we talked about the Texas monster that is Kenneth McDuff and I blanked because I
00:48:20
should have recommended this book when we covered that case because there's an interview with Kenneth mcduffin here and
00:48:27
I use that for part of the research there's also interviews with several other serial killers this is the most
00:48:33
evil people in their own words so check out that great title again it is talking
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with serial killers by Christopher Barry D you can find that book and other titles including podcasts other books
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