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[Music] [Music] cry [Music] just 21 years old and 8 weeks pregnant she's deeply loved and deeply missed is
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just overwhel me Kelsey shelling face is on billboards in peblo and volunteers have come through the area she was last
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seen 10 days after her disappearance her car was found abandoned at a peblo hospital police say someone parked it
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there and walked away 2 years later no arrests and no other Clues I don't even know how to explain how much it hurts to
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have your child just like ripped out of your life like that and do not know you know do not know where she is shelling
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was last seen in peblo visiting her boyfriend Dante Lucas Lucas was later arrested for using Shell's debit card
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after she disappeared but those charges were dropped I know that he's involved and whether he actually harms Kelsey
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himself or had someone else do it I don't know that but I know that he's involved but police say he's never been
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a suspect we found out through friends and other interviews and bank records that that was not on commment she gave
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him the card told him go get money public police believe someone knows something and Kelsey's mom hopes one day
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they can bring her daughter home she doesn't deserve whatever happened and wherever she is she needs to be back in
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armed of her [Music] family Kelsey shelling was 21 years old and 8 weeks pregnant when she vanished
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on February 4th 2013 she had her first doctor's visit that day of her pregnancy and she sent a picture of the sonogram
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that she received of the baby to her mother and to her boyfriend after a trip to the doctor's office and after a shift
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at work Kelsey drove about two hours to poblo Colorado to visit her boyfriend and the father of her baby uh Dante
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Lucas now what happened once she got there remains a mystery she hasn't been seen since today Kelsey would be 26
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years old yeah and a brief description of her she is 5'3 in tall 120 lb and she is white with brown hair and hazel eyes
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and looking at Kelsey's picture it seems like she had some tattoos yeah she definitely did but uh for whatever
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reason they did not include these on her missing person's sign uh she was last seen February 4th 2013 this would be in
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the area of Manor Ridge Drive and Sienna Drive in Pueblo Colorado now we're talking about this today because it's a
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missing persons you know and but but more importantly the month of February is very important to this case um we
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have a birthday she would have celebrated a birthday on February 18th of this month it's also obviously the
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anniversary of her disappearance from the fourth of this month but they've also it included a uh an increase in the
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reward that that they are offering for the return or the location of Kelsey now the the reward was originally listed at
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$50,000 but for the month of February for this year it has been increased to $100,000 and there's a lot of thought
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that has gone into this first of all her family has worked very hard to be able to put together this this offer this
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reward money that was offered up and worked with local businesses to get together some more funds to increase
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that reward and I applaud their efforts but but the other thing here Captain is we we have a situation where it may be
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where several people could have been involved or know about The Disappearance or the whereabouts of Kelsey and the
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community has been heavily involved and you can find out more information at helpfinder and allow us to bring our
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Kelsey and grandchild home where they belong the shelling and Saxton family is offering a reward of up to $100,000 to
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the person who provides information in the month of February 2017 leading to Kelsey's direct return
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or location all right let's get into the details of this case so Kelsey was living in Denver in the Denver area
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working at a store called Floor and Decor her parents were divorced uh they divorced when she was 11 uh Kelsey is a
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fun outgoing person she was very close to her mother Kelsey attended Northeastern Junior College she wanted
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to study psychology but it this is where she met a man named Dante Lucas now Dante is playing basketball for the
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school he has hopes of getting recruited by a bigger school as he would like to play basketball professionally the two
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become involved romantically although this relationship is not described as being very romantic ANC Kelsey's friends
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use words like Whirlwind and toxic to describe the actual relationship Dante pretty much treated Kelsey like a dog
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according to her friends anyway we have an on on and off again relationship but by 2012 Kelsey is not attending the
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junior college and Dante has returned home he was never recruited by a big school to go off and play basketball in
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2013 Kelsey tells her mother Laura that she is pregnant and on February 4th 2013
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she goes for her first doctor's visit and this is where she she does the sonogram and has you know you get the
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picture of the of the baby that's growing inside you and you get excited and you send it off to your friends and
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loved ones she sent it to her mother and never I've never experienced this you've
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never had a baby growing inside of you no I have never had a baby growing inside me but I've never don't have any
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biological kids well the report from that doctor's visit is everything is healthy you know the baby's healthy and
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everything is going good with the pregnancy that same day she uh sent a text sent the pictures off to her
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friends and to to Dante and her mother Kelsey's mother says that of course there were some stresses with this
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pregnancy you know Kelsey being a young woman that's just natural uh stresses that come with this situation but she
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seemed very happy and she seemed to be looking forward to being a mother and like you said that she's going to head
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off to work so she goes to the doctor's office she heads into work this is where
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it starts getting a little fishy for me uh and and just the fact that she goes to work and that she's going to leave
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work about 10: p.m. and so people see her at work they see her leaving we know that she was there and uh you know clock
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in clock out all that stuff but now at 10: p.m. she's going to head and take a 2hour trip yeah to go see this Dante
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character to Pueblo Colorado and this would be at his coaxing you know we there have been some text messages that
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have been made public uh that she was sending and receiving that day um he wants her to come down there and and and
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I'll go through those text messages real quick early in the day she sends one to
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him stating I now know how you truly do feel you have no obligation to me and you don't want anything to do with me
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and it sounds to me like at this point she's kind of sticking up for herself they're bickering about something mhm
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she's stating okay well it's pretty clear and I'm not going to fight you anymore you don't want anything to do
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with me right right and it and it almost sounds like maybe she's working on ending this relationship in in a way
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yeah and then also at this point she has to go take a test cuz I don't think she's 100% sure that she's pregnant
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right at this point yeah she's done some of those home pregnancy tests but this would be the actual first doctor's visit
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to confirm uh those home pregnancy and I think you know being a young young um female she's probably thinking on some
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level like okay well if I am pregnant well now this is kind of throwing a wrench in in the whole thing because you
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know this guy that has been nothing but rude and has treated me like basically [ __ ] now he doesn't want to be involved
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in in my life or maybe I don't want him to be involved in my life and now I might be having a baby with this guy so
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now he is going to be connected to me for at least 18 years yeah we see that there's definitely something going on
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with this relationship here and something going on with her emotionally as she's reaching out to Dante but then
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the next text message that she sends that we are aware of is the picture of the ultrasound after the doctor's visit
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now while she's at her shift she's going to receive some text me messages from Dante and this doesn't seem to be any
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type of bickering or arguing about their relationship or about the the future of
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this this child um it sounds to me like he's trying to get her to to come down and visit him which is like you said
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what about a 2-hour Drive well I would one I'd like to know if this is the full record of the text messages CU it's not
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really clear when you you know look for all the through all the mess um but it seems very odd to me that she sends the
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ultrasound and it just instantly is like there's no fighting it doesn't seem like
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there's any question like what is that MH or is it mine yeah he he's making it sound like there's some kind of surprise
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that he has for her you know you you need to come down here because I have a surprise for you well right but what I'm
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saying is surprising to me is that there's not a lot of communication about the ultrasound right yeah and so the
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text that he sends tells her you know they're talking about this surprise and he's saying just wait and see for
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yourself you probably wouldn't believe it you probably wouldn't believe me if I told you and she's stating well just
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tell me what the surprise is and then I'll come down and again he's saying come see it for yourself I know it will
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put you in a better mood so it seems like that he was had to be somewhat aware of this doctor visit that was
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going to happen that day yeah he's aware of the possible pregnancy uh he's aware
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that there's going to be a doctor's visit and there's some possible evidence maybe just speculation that he was
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actually trying to get her to come down before the doctor's visit that she had on February 14th okay that makes a lot
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more sense to me yeah so he he's trying to get her to come down and see him in play which is a 2-hour Drive she
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obviously seems a little reluctant of this we have this guy who has not been great for this girl now he's the father
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of her unborn baby and he's reported to have been angry about the pregnancy he may have even wanted nothing to do with
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her or the baby at all and now there's this offer to meet him in pelow now kelse and the offer is so ridiculous I
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mean he basically picked up some paddles jumped in his douche canoe and started streaming down douche River and he was
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like hey I got a surprise for you mhm she's like well what's the surprise and there wasn't no surprise so he's going
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just wait till you see it yeah it's going to be amazing I've got nothing here she's calling my bluff she does
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decide to go uh but we let's be very clear this was not a trip that she had planned or spent any length of time
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planning uh she did not tell either of her parents that she was going to go uh she didn't take any of her prenatal care
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items or personal items that would indicate that she intended to stay there for any extended period of time right uh
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so she she works her shift at the floor and decor and then she leaves work at at
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the end of her shift and sometime around 10 p.m. she makes the drive to poblo and
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Dante has texts Kelsey stating hey why don't we meet at the Walmart yeah Kelsey arrives at the Walmart at 4080 West
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Northern Avenue in Playo at 11:20 p.m. and she waits there for Dante she starts texting him you said 11:20 yes she
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starts texting him saying that she is tired of waiting this is around like 12:15 a.m. on the 5th Dante texts Kelsey
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telling her to go to a different location and meet him there now this would be that Manor Ridge Street area
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that is listed on her missing person sign note this area is near Dante's grandmother's house where it is thought
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that he was to have been living with his grandmother at his grandmother's place at this time yeah and it seems like this
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Dante character you know has stayed with his grandma but has also stayed with his
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mother and so it's like he has no um concrete Residence at 12:32 a.m. Kelsey sends Dante Lucas another text message
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she's now at the new location this was where Dante had requested that she go and she's texting wanting to know where
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he was uh she's complaining that she's been there waiting for him for over an hour I believe the exact text reads
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where are you I've been here over an hour just waiting yeah a couple things here that I don't like first of all you
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know you're the pretty female this guy's just some kind of a goon right and he wants you to drive two hours to see him
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no don't waste your gas money don't waste your time uh you know he should Court you right you believe that you're
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pregnant by him H he needs to be driving to see you first of all then you show up
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at the Walmart he's not there now you're waiting at at that point turn around and
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go home M this guy this guy's a fool stop wasting your time but then she goes and heads to the next location and now
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we have this evidence that he's not there either right and she's waiting like I said he's just a goon well and
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it's at this the time of this text or shortly after that is that it is believed that she went missing at that
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time and she's not been seen since now in the day that would follow Kelsey's parents are trying to call her on her
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cell phone these calls are going straight to voicemail and by the end of the week her cell phone it shuts off
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there's there's no communication with Kelsey after this text message there's conflicting reports on this some people
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say that the cell phone uh stayed where it wasn't going straight to voicemail till the end of the week or whatever
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that the cell phone was still on um a bunch of other reports basically say within 24 hours that stopped so we have
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a situation here where we have a girl that's gone missing but it's very unclear as to when we are aware that
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she's actual actually missing we don't know if she missed a work shift the following day but for whatever reason
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her family starts looking for her right they're trying to get in contact with her and they start trying to contact her
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friends and her friends obviously don't know and she you know Kelsey wasn't telling her family or friends hey I'm
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going to go visit this guy because I think anytime you're in a relationship where the guy is you know a horrible
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person and there's all this you know chatter about how he would you know put her down call her fat say that she
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wasn't you know worth anything and you're happy that I'm in your life I mean this guy's a real winner and um and
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so you don't want to tell your friends you don't want to tell your family hey I'm going to go see this guy right right
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because eventually they want you to just move on with your life and get this guy
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out of out of the way but so nobody knows anything and so then uh Kelsey's mother has to contact Dante yeah and the
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way that I imagine this going down Captain is he probably confirms that he saw her that night uh we don't know for
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certain but what we do know is he basically tells Laura is which is Kelsey's mother that you know if I see
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her if I hear from her I'll let her know that you're looking for her or I will reach out and let you know something
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right and the and what the mother says to Dante is hey look you need to let her know that you know we're taking it
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serious like we're calling the cops we're getting people involved so if you're just you know stressed out and
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taking a breather from life for a while that's fine cuz cuz I I wonder you know that kind of makes it make sense to me
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that she's calling the boyfriend and maybe she's thinking that Kelsey went to go visit him and is just going to chill
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out there for a couple days and just to blow off steam and not be so stressed out and maybe that's why he's telling
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him hey tell her that we're taking this serious so if you you know kind of like hey if you guys are hanging out and she
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just doesn't want to talk to family and friends just let her know to reach out so we you know we don't waste the law
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enforcement's time well you're exactly right you're the mother calling you can't get a hold of your daughter you're
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hoping maybe you get a hold of this guy and for whatever reason she went to see him and all of a sudden he's singing a
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different tune now he's he's received the the ultrasound photo and now he's starting to feel like maybe I want to be
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a father or maybe I want to do the right thing and and be there emotionally or some in some way supporting this this
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young lady yeah it seems to me you know just my knowledge of people having kids and it either makes people like a lot
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better of people or makes them a lot worse of a person yeah like I've never had a buddy that had like a kid and just
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like stayed the same they normally either become a lot better all of a sudden they become like this big loser
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piece of [ __ ] you know so after just a couple of days we have a situation where
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the a young girl's gone missing young woman's gone missing her friends are now aware because the parents have made made
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them aware calling them asking where she is friends don't know the boyfriend maybe not a boyfriend he's aware she's
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Kelsey's not been seen and you know her mother stating that we are going to call
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the police we're taking this very seriously we have a young 8-week pregnant woman who's who's missing that
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we can't get in touch with who seems very close with her mother mind you she says we're going to take this seriously
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we're going to call the police and they do exactly that they get the peblo police department involved and they B
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and they announce her as missing to them and now we have police out looking and making their phone calls as well to try
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to figure out where Kelsey is or where she was last seen so law enforcement is involved and they actually interview
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Dante and it's really not clear how much information he gives them I think it's probably really similar to what he gave
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Kelsey's mother you know uh I haven't seen her I you know I don't know where she's at I haven't heard anything from
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her mhm and then we're going to have a Twist of events because on the 14th on Valentine's Day MH um we find her car
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yeah police would find Kelsey's black 2011 Chevy Cruz at St Mary Corwin Medical Center uh police reviewed
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surveillance footage and found out that an unidentified black man had pulled up and parked the vehicle on February 7th
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so it had actually sat there for 7 days before police find it in this parking lot right and if you look at the footage
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I mean it's just kind of a you know black man dress in all black mhm yeah so now finding her car this presents a big
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big problem right because now we don't have a situation where we might have a young woman that went went rogue you
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know maybe she's depressed or got weird things going on and decided to take off on her own no when when a person leaves
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they have to have a means of leaving and her means would have been her car and once you find her car now now you're
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aware that there's there's a big problem here and we we found this girl's vehicle
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we cannot find her yeah we like we said I mean you find her car but the car is two hours away from her house you know
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it'd be a lot different to me if for some reason you know she had this interaction with Dante and then made it
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back to Denver and then she went missing cuz then i' go okay well maybe you know
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maybe there is that thought that anytime there's a missing person people speculate did they go missing on their
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own you know was it suicide it doesn't make a lot of sense that somehow her car ends up at this hospital and there's no
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record of her being at that hospital yeah you can't you can't she it's not her that's getting out of the vehicle
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it's not her that parked it there on February 7th so now your best means of tracking and finding Kelsey is trying to
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figure out track the car and try to figure out where Kelsey was separated from the vehicle well and and then track
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whoever this individual is MHM so we have this car that's found with an unidentified man getting out of the
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vehicle he doesn't he's not recognized by by anybody they show the tape to however her her boyfriend or the man
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that she was going to go see is a tall black man the guy in the video appears to be a tall black man right and um now
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they're going to have to bring in Dante and and talk about this vehicle and they're going to learn a lot more about
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back Dante Lucas was picked up on February 15th and he's going to be brought in for questioning because now
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we found the vehicle and we've got a lot of questions that need to be answered we
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need to know where Kelsey is and when was the last time that Dante had seen her yeah and so Dante's statements he
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States well yes she did come out on the 4th to see me after work and that she was waiting in the Walmart parking lot M
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and she waited for about an hour from there he states that she would then drive to Manor Ridge Drive which is near
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Dante's grandmother's place and meet him there he says when there they got into some kind of argument or disagreement
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and she tells him that she's going home MH uh he later finds out well then he claims that he goes to bed yeah he goes
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to bed and that Kelsey decided to stay and sleep in her car for some reason mhm uh the next morning this would be around
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700 a.m. Kelsey tells Dante that she is not feeling well and she has asked for him to drive her to the hospital from
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there he says that they go to the park viw Wellness Center mhm now he states he doesn't go in with her he he simply
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drops her off and she's in there for about 2 hours maybe a little less but when she comes out she then tells Dante
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that she is not pregnant mhm he he then says that they go to Walmart this Walmart seems to be like the center of
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the universe for this guy right right he he says she goes in she wanted to go in
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and get some snacks and stuff right for her trip home and then they must have gotten into some kind of argument or
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disagreement again or something happened because according to Dante she then tells him she's no longer an interest
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she's not interested in driving him home he's going to have to walk and he says this is the last time that he sees
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Kelsey mhm so then he should be seen on some kind of surveillance walking home from the Walmart yeah yeah he should be
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seen walking home leaving her vehicle but we don't have that surveillance and now at this point we don't know if this
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guy is telling the truth or not right we just kind of kind of go with it but we got this car and we have some evidence
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about this car and where the car's movements were yeah police start looking into surveillance footage from other
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businesses and discovered that Dante Lucas had parked the vehicle at the Walmart the one one that he said that
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they had gone to right the Hub of the universe this is about 3 miles west of the hospital that on February 5th he
00:30:08
claims that he had dropped Kelsey off at right so in this footage you can clearly
00:30:13
see that he is alone at the Walmart the the vehicle is parked it's her it's her black Chevy Cruise is parked and he gets
00:30:21
out of the vehicle and it almost looks like he locks the vehicle as he's walking away you know you can kind of
00:30:28
see the flash of of the lights that would indicate somebody hitting the lock button on the the key fob right and from
00:30:35
there he he goes and he walks near the back of the store and during this time he appears to be texting he's busy with
00:30:43
his phone he might be making phone calls or texting right but the record as far as Kelsey's phone goes he's not texting
00:30:49
Kelsey correct now what we see here is he he gets again he gets out of the vehicle by himself Kelsey's nowhere to
00:30:56
be seen on any of this footage the black Chevy Cruise it sits in the Walmart parking lot for about 18 hours when on
00:31:04
February 6th an unidentified black man walks up to the car he even appears like he might have the keys uh you can kind
00:31:11
of see him motioning like he has the keys as he's getting closer to the vehicle to to like unlock the vehicle uh
00:31:19
the police say and the newspaper say an unidentified man right Captain right uh you you've seen the footage what do you
00:31:26
think some think that it's Dante some people think that it's not yeah I it's it's hard to tell because you know he is
00:31:34
a taller individual I mean he was a a basketball star a high school basketball star let's not give him a bunch of
00:31:41
credit right this is a guy that was playing high school basketball and had dreams of becoming an NBA star but he
00:31:50
one he didn't have the intelligence to um or or the work ethic to get the grades in school to have the big schools
00:31:56
come looking at him CU he was a talented athlete but if you can't make the grades
00:32:01
colleges division one Schools they're not going to come after you cuz if if you're too much of a dummy and you can't
00:32:06
make the grades then you're just going to sit the bench for them yeah and I and I think a lot of times you know
00:32:12
especially in this community this is kind of a tough Community it has a high crime rate and I think you know this was
00:32:19
Dante's way out and and instead of Manning up and saying well look I just didn't do what I was supposed to do and
00:32:27
going to go to college and I'm going to get a degree and move on with my life I it seems like him his friends everybody
00:32:33
else was counting on the fact that this guy is still going to become you know a LeBron James MH well he certainly had
00:32:41
the size and that's what you would think would make him pretty noticeable or very
00:32:46
obvious to point him out on the surveillance yeah and I didn't notice that on the film yeah you know I well I
00:32:52
will it it's tough because you don't have a whole lot to reference his height to you know what I mean well you have
00:32:57
the car mhm but it doesn't look like he's towering so much above the car you know he's 67 mhm and so it's like I'm
00:33:07
6'3 I I would Tower over a a Chevy Cruz so that's where it's like is it him I I I'm leaning towards no MH yeah and I'm
00:33:16
actually leaning towards no as well the body type to me looks he actually agreed
00:33:20
yeah imagine that oh hey cheers the body type actually looks a little different to me where where you know we said
00:33:27
Dante's tall and he's pretty lean you know he's very athletic and well well yeah but yeah but when you're athletic
00:33:34
looking right when you're six seven you want to put more size on him he's not a LeBron James LeBron James is a big boy
00:33:42
all the way around this guy was definitely uh kind of a bean pole the guy picking up the vehicle on February
00:33:48
6th he he looks slightly different to me as far as body type goes he looks like he might be a little shorter maybe a
00:33:55
little heavier so so a little squater let's say squater yeah but there's not an obvious difference I can't really put
00:34:02
a stamp on if it's Dante or not uh for certain but regardless this vehicle's picked up by this unidentified male on
00:34:10
the 6th and then it's the same unidentified man that then Parks the vehicle at St Mary's at St Mary's
00:34:20
Medical Center now this would be on the following day on February 7th right so what where was the car's whereabouts for
00:34:27
the rest of the six that's very odd exactly and then this is where it sits for seven days until police find it
00:34:34
sitting there at that that that Medical Center and they and they have that for surveillance cuz once they found it they
00:34:39
can go back to the hospital and say hey can we get surveillance of the parking lot and so they know that it just set
00:34:45
there for seven days MH we should also we got to bring up the ATM footage right Captain MH so this
00:34:53
this is going to be the whole purpose of picking up Dante on the 15th okay they when they're out and they're collecting
00:35:01
surveillance footage from all these other businesses to try to track the movements of this car one thing that
00:35:07
they are able to determine is that at some point on the fifth before the vehicle arrives at the Walmart it goes
00:35:15
through an ATM machine mhm this vehicle with Dante driving the vehicle nobody else appears to be in the vehicle
00:35:23
Kelsey's ATM card is used and $400 is taken out of her account and Dante's taking this money well this is where
00:35:32
he's going to start squirming in the whole questioning process well yeah and he's going to be charged with this
00:35:37
initially they're going to charge with hey we got a missing person we don't know where her whereabouts are and
00:35:43
you're using her ATM we've seen this in a lot of other cases where they don't have much to go off of but they know
00:35:49
that the suspect has used the missing person uh ATM so we can charge him with that and that will give us chance to
00:35:57
question him and start GA gathering evid evidence if there was Foul Play yeah yeah and he's going to start to squirm
00:36:04
his story is going to start to fall apart here because now they want to know why are you in her car by yourself why
00:36:10
are you using her ATM card and you're telling us your original story is that she disappeared sometime after after
00:36:17
dropping her at the hospital and then going to the Walmart and she goes home you walk home what are you doing with
00:36:22
her ATM card yeah and he kind of tries to put it on the idea that well I used the card during the time that she was at
00:36:29
the hospital doesn't really line up with his story but maybe his story was off by
00:36:33
a few hours the problem that's going to happen with police officers is this is a
00:36:37
common thing I mean look this guy calls you a fat you're definitely not fat he says you're not attractive definitely
00:36:46
not you know you're definitely attractive person Dante is not very observant right well yeah he's blind in
00:36:51
one eye and can't see out of the other um's not that bright and so you got a guy that's treating you like not what
00:37:00
you're worth right and you're putting forth all this effort and then the it comes out in this case that this was a
00:37:08
common uh thing where she would give him he would ask for money right I I I look
00:37:16
women there is enough guys out there that will treat you nice say nice things about you and give you money mhm and
00:37:26
give you their debit card where you look if if a guy is asking you to borrow some
00:37:32
money or borrow your debit card run run for your life but we're not implying that Kelsey has done anything wrong here
00:37:39
um you know yeah I am I mean I'm not trying look I know that she not to lead to her disappearance
00:37:46
obviously right right I mean she's not at fault for what we don't know has happened she's not at fault for that but
00:37:53
I'm just saying and she was young right I mean she 22 years old and so she's young and she's naive but what I'm
00:38:00
saying is that there's all these Stepping Stones along the way if she would have just said look this is
00:38:08
ridiculous and then and I think because she would it's a it's a harder predicament to be put in once you got
00:38:15
this guy that's treating you like garbage and we've seen proof that she was like okay well obviously you're
00:38:23
never going to change so I probably should move on MH the problem was when she got pregnant with this guy's baby
00:38:29
yeah it there were definitely some indicators along the way and but but now police they got the ATM footage they're
00:38:36
talking to Dante he starts to squirm and as you said they're like well where is she if you're out using her ATM card and
00:38:44
what are you using her card for and he said well she gave me the money to pay I think he says a phone bill apparently
00:38:51
he's got a $400 phone bill uh she gave me the card to you to pay for my phone uh I I got the money well where was she
00:38:58
well this would be when she was at the hospital remember I dropped her off that morning and she was in there for about
00:39:03
an hour and a half to two hours right and I was gone and I went and picked up the money then but the the the footage
00:39:10
from the ATM machine to the time that the vehicle's being parked at the Walmart well that's why I think that
00:39:15
they know that this is Dante getting out of the vehicle at the Walmart because that such a short amount of time has has
00:39:22
elapsed that it's only conceivable that whomever was going through the ATM was the same person that parked it at
00:39:28
the Walmart and you already have him saying it was me at the ATM but now he's starting to go uh oh my story is
00:39:36
starting to fall apart right and he says I want to talk to a lawyer if we're if you're going to keep asking me questions
00:39:42
and you're keep asking me the same questions over and over again I've already gave you answers I need to talk
00:39:46
to a lawyer well investigators are going to go to that hospital and realized that
00:39:51
Kelsey you know look it's it's possible that she went to that uh Hospital hospital and that she just never checked
00:39:59
in mhm and and she just decided she was going to go to you know think about it this way let's say his story is true she
00:40:07
goes to the hospital she doesn't check in she just sits on a park bench well right just hear me go ahead goad he sits
00:40:15
on a park bench for hour and a half two hours doesn't text anybody and then comes back out and says Ah not
00:40:23
pregnant and she's telling him that so she can get away and and never see this guy again
00:40:31
so okay you got that side of the story you have also that we have proof that she didn't check into this hospital so
00:40:39
chances are she didn't go to the hospital well and well they and you're exactly right and and let's before we
00:40:44
get too far on another path here let's start going through his story and let's let's talk about the let's dice this
00:40:50
turkey up right so first of all when they're doing the the check the of the traffic and security cameras there is no
00:40:59
evidence to to support his story and that being there's no evidence to support the part of the story where her
00:41:06
vehicle ever went to the park viiew medic Medical Center it's not seen traveling there it's not seen in the
00:41:13
parking lot her vehicle's not on camera doing that right furthermore they don't have any video evidence of her going in
00:41:22
or out of the medical center they see no footage of Kelsey inside the medical center and oh yeah uh Dante Mr Einstein
00:41:30
here uh we have these things called medical records and they never accessed her records what is that they don't have
00:41:38
any records of her in their system so it's virtually impossible that she was in the Parkview Medical Center that day
00:41:47
and it's most likely that she never ever had been in that Parview Med medical center right and once you figure out
00:41:54
that he's lying about that then it's like what else is he lying about and then second of all we have her car right
00:42:00
so Kelsey's car seems to have been all over the place and remember they have video footage of Kelsey's car being
00:42:08
parked at the Walmart MH and two people do not get out of the car when when it is parked it's parked only by one person
00:42:16
who gets out of the car and it's not Kelsey it's Dante Dante Parks the car and remember he says she left him to
00:42:23
walk home alone right well that's not the whole story here because what happens is he actually is seen going to
00:42:31
the back of the store behind the store in the parking lot and now he's getting into his mother's car it has been
00:42:39
established that Dante's mother Sarah Lucas and his grandmother viven Lucas were in the car meanwhile on tape you
00:42:47
can see him when he's walking and he looks like he's texting and making a phone call it very well could have been
00:42:54
you know that he's calling or texting Mom or Grandma you know just to get him a ride right they might not have known
00:43:00
he was dropping off Kelsey's car or he could have been walking to Mom and Grandma's car and now he's calling or
00:43:06
texting someone else saying I just dumped the car right you know I'll tell you what here he he's on tape so we
00:43:13
don't need a whole lot of more evidence on this guy but what I'm starting to wonder is how many people are involved
00:43:18
in this thing and what is the mother's role in this we know she's seen picking him up cuz this I mean this looks very
00:43:27
guilty at this point mhm and here we have mommy walking right behind him you know helping him out cleaning up his
00:43:34
mess and now we have grandom there too I'm starting to wonder how many generations of murderers do we have in
00:43:40
this family well yeah and I think it goes back to the whole you know like we're going to get into this but I just
00:43:47
want to call this out at the beginning like I said I mean this is a troubled area you know there's there's a tough
00:43:53
community and he is a you know let's just say a troubled kid and doesn't have a lot of options as far as his future
00:44:01
and this is the golden ticket you know this is the Basketball ticket right I got a golden ticket and and that's what
00:44:09
his family thinks too I mean his mom wasn't some winner she wasn't you know some lawyer or something I'm not saying
00:44:15
that all lawyers are winners but I'm just saying you know it wasn't like she was doing a bunch with her life and I
00:44:20
think her son was a meal ticket and and by the way all he didn't always with her
00:44:26
either yeah you know so she she's not um a winner yeah they were putting all their eggs into Dante's basket right and
00:44:34
it had a bunch of holes in that basket yeah NE next let's talk about the cell phone activity on Kelsey's phone mhm uh
00:44:41
this does not look good for Dante's story as well at 3:54 a.m. Dante Lucas called Kelsey's phone now this is the
00:44:50
early morning hours when she supposedly went missing you know he says she's out sleeping in her car at this point now
00:44:57
her family's going to argue this is the time where when she went missing so they
00:45:03
do a data and information collected on Dante and Kelsey's phones they're able to establish that these phones are in
00:45:11
close proximity to one another in a remote area of peblo County at this time so they're say they're stating the
00:45:19
investigators are saying there's no need or reason for Dante to call Kelsey's phone that's how close they are of
00:45:26
course the theory here is that Kelsey had been murdered some time before this call was made and that the call was made
00:45:33
to locate Kelsey's phone in the dark right throughout the night there were various text messages that were
00:45:39
communicated between Kelsey and Dante's cell phones and an analysis of the text and the verbiage used in those
00:45:47
Communications from Chelsea's phone after 3:54 a.m. would indicate that the wording spelling and type of verbiage
00:45:55
used was dissimilar to that used by Kelsey in previous messages right also the content of these messages they just
00:46:03
make no sense they they're they're out of context right so it's it's almost like so I'm just putting this in my
00:46:11
brain M you just threw out a bunch of stuff thrown it in my brain so their thought is that she's
00:46:19
murdered he makes a call or somebody makes a call to find her phone and then oh well let's do some text game back and
00:46:27
forth to to kind of cover our tracks yeah to make it look like she's alive and she's communicating with him right
00:46:35
but this genius this Einstein when he's talking to the police he basically makes
00:46:40
it seem like I didn't know that she was spending the night I didn't know she was
00:46:44
staying in her car right and so yeah it's weird now he he's lawyered up right and this is where they've decided we're
00:46:54
probably going to have to let this guy go because he's no longer cooperating with us whether he was lying to begin
00:46:59
with OR telling us the truth he's no longer opening up to us and telling us what he knows um he lawyers up and
00:47:07
remember he was brought in for the use of the ATM card he was initially charged with some for some form of fraud here
00:47:14
right and but they the police are able to establish through talking to Kelsey's mother and some of her friends that that
00:47:24
this was something that he had in the past that he he had borrowed money from her he had asked her for money and it
00:47:30
wasn't it wasn't a giant leap to believe that she wouldn't have let him use her ATM card so for even though we have all
00:47:39
these questionable circumstances we cannot outright say that that it's completely inconceivable that he that
00:47:46
she didn't let him use that card on that day right basically we are charging this
00:47:50
guy with these this offense but we don't think we'll be able to prove it in court
00:47:54
so let's move on M yeah it was a good way to try to get some answers from him and get him to talk uh where I think
00:48:01
they bumbled here a little bit was they probably could have pushed him a little harder during that interview and during
00:48:07
that interrogation because you've seen the footage it looks to me man like he like he was seconds from cracking right
00:48:15
or or at the very least seconds from saying something very stupid well if he's anything like the captain he's
00:48:21
always a couple seconds away from saying something stupid well I mean his sto his
00:48:25
story doesn't make a whole lot of sense he's and furthermore let's say something
00:48:30
did happen to Kelsey right that something was done to her in the time frame that her her family believes that
00:48:36
it was mhm he he's making all kinds of stupid Mist I don't even want to say mistakes they seem too dumb to even be
00:48:45
mistakes right like he's going through an ATM machine using her card clearly he's got to know that he's on camera I
00:48:52
mean it's 2013 he might not know but but then again he's in the Walmart parking lot it
00:49:00
it just I don't know there's there's just so many things here yeah but like you said I mean here's the thing uh and
00:49:07
I think they had a FBI profiler or somebody like talk about this case um after a couple years of this happening I
00:49:13
think uh the cops eventually released the interrogation and it's not an interrogation it's questioning and I and
00:49:20
I think that's what this FBI profiler was saying was like look there was a couple points maybe two or three that
00:49:28
you kind of knew it was a little bit [ __ ] and you didn't push him right and you got to push him to either one
00:49:33
have him fumble too you know fumble up more and he's already fumbling up or maybe if you push him he'll start lying
00:49:42
in some weird direction or maybe at some point he'll it's like a game of chess and if you if the guy thinks you know if
00:49:50
he can see that he's caught three moves down the line maybe he just forfeits M and they didn't do that and um it's it's
00:49:57
a tough thing because you know when they initially questioned him he was being cooperative yeah and then when they
00:50:03
found the car he was being cooperative so you know I think a lot of times in these cases we go they should have
00:50:10
pushed him well we I think we all wish that they would have but they did have somebody that was talking and being
00:50:17
cooperative so maybe they're just like look we don't want to we don't want to get this guy defensive because once the
00:50:23
guy lawyered up he's not talking right and now we're not getting any more information they lost everything and and
00:50:29
you're exactly right I I applaud you for for going to bat for the police department because who's to say we
00:50:35
weren't in the room he could have shut down earlier you're exactly right and then we would have been still sitting
00:50:40
here spinning our tires right so you could argue either way you know did the police screw up the interrogation did
00:50:47
they screw up the questioning you could argue that either way the the family Kelsey's family is going to say that
00:50:51
they did um I can see their side of it but but but I can also see your side of it Captain where we're not in the room
00:50:58
we don't know what would have happened well we have a lot of friends that are cops and we have a lot of friends that
00:51:02
are detectives and and the the ones that we look there's some cops that we know and some detectives we know that we we
00:51:09
think they're arrogant Pricks you know yeah uh and those kind but we're friends with them yeah well well cuz we're
00:51:16
arrogant Pricks uh but they like beer uh and you know they also like to let us go
00:51:21
when they pull us over um not true oh I don't know they let you go I no no normally they hog tie me and
00:51:28
throw me in a field somewhere but uh no but what I'm trying the point I'm trying
00:51:32
to make is that we know good cops and bad cops and we know smart cops and dumb cops and the smart cops will be the ones
00:51:38
that will say that in any investigation there will be mistakes right and and and
00:51:44
I think we're all human and if you have I I think the smarter you get the more you realize you don't know a bunch you
00:51:51
know so yeah did they make some mistakes yes well they're going to cuz they're human now the question is how much
00:51:59
mistakes did they make and were those mistakes on purpose yeah because yeah because there's a difference in just
00:52:06
being tactful and deciding that you you want to imply a certain strategy and you
00:52:12
don't want to push this guy too far that's that's a judgment that's an opinion call right that's your in the
00:52:17
moment that's your call but Kelsey's family is going to argue that the police department has mishandled this case very
00:52:24
badly and to the point where the family filed a lawsuit against some of the Pau police department members as well as
00:52:33
Dante his mother and grandmother so this basically is because they believe that Dante and his family to be guilty of
00:52:41
crimes leading to and covering up Kelsey's murder and then the police department has failed to investigate
00:52:48
this thing properly yeah and it seems like if you go through this lawsuit and you really with a fine- tooth comb
00:52:56
uh or in my case a nice beard comb um like you said earlier there's a lot of ticky tacky things that don't line you
00:53:05
know where it's like H maybe they made a mistake maybe it was a judgment call yeah but there's one glaring thing that
00:53:12
is like oh hold on yeah and it's the car so when they took the car and they process processed the car they claimed
00:53:20
to the family that they didn't uncover any evidence that the car was actually wipe clean yeah I mean this car should
00:53:27
be a bucket full of evidence for these cops right and instead they're going to the family and they're saying that this
00:53:33
is bad news there's nothing here well the the Kelsey's family they hire a private investigator they get permission
00:53:40
from the police department to have their investigators process this car on their
00:53:45
own they want to double check their work right right and the police department they do agree to allow the investigators
00:53:51
to process this car the thing is though there's some stipulations involved here right the peblo police department want
00:53:58
to be present when when the car is processed that seems pretty normal to me right um they do not want Kelsey's
00:54:05
family to be present for this processing of the car that too makes sense to me right there's logic behind that yeah and
00:54:12
so they're going to have a meeting with these private investigators just before the processing of this car MH and during
00:54:19
this little meeting maybe it's impromptu or not I don't know but during this little meeting it's explained to the
00:54:26
investigators that yeah we did we did process the call wait wait the wait the law law enforcement is talking to the P
00:54:33
yeah it gets a little confusing because I guess they're all investigators but yeah the Pueblo Police Department is
00:54:39
telling the private investigators we did process the car we weren't really we weren't making anything up on that right
00:54:46
we processed it and we did find something in the trunk of the car oh so it wasn't completely clean yeah and it's
00:54:54
something that they beli to have okay they believe that they recovered a substance from the truck of the car
00:55:01
trunk of the car that is consistent with dried bodily fluids and that they also recover two large palm prints off of the
00:55:09
front seat off of the headrest of the front seat right uh the family you know they they have no idea
00:55:16
about this information this is not information that was told to them well let me play a little Devil's Advocate
00:55:22
right okay is that this is information that they found that is leading towards you know solving
00:55:29
you know and also maybe leading them towards the investigation of Foul Play and now viewing this as a homicide and
00:55:36
that they don't want to give this information to the family because they don't want to give this information to
00:55:40
the public right right I get that just to play Devil's advoc I get but I get that but there's a little more to this
00:55:45
story okay so not only did they find these items right but they all the family also came into information that
00:55:53
some evidence collected in this investigation for no known logical reason this evidence has never been
00:56:00
submitted for analysis to any crime laboratory so therefore according to the law this is a deliberate attempt to
00:56:08
conceal or destroy evidence because the longer that that evidence sits there without being tested right we have
00:56:14
things that we are losing time here we are losing information yeah and so you know test test the fluid that you find
00:56:22
and if it matches the DNA of Kelsey then we would we can investigate this as a homicide but what who are these
00:56:30
handprints now the problem is is that you do have you know your major suspect was in a relationship with Kelsey and so
00:56:37
there are going to be you know his DNA is going to be in the car there's going to be fingerprints and handprints yeah
00:56:43
but but it does seem like the the at least the front of the car was kind of wiped to make a cover up well and you
00:56:50
pointed out something earlier when you and I were talking about this case was that if if in fact that they they were
00:56:56
stating the truth and saying that the vehicle was in fact wiped clean well then that to you and to me and everybody
00:57:03
else it should point out something else that well it was wiped clean for a reason right you know nobody's just
00:57:08
driving around in an Immaculate car it wasn't dropped off it at Walmart and then you had a detailer come in there
00:57:14
and clean the whole thing up well and even if Kelsey cleaned the car before she took the two-hour trip she took a
00:57:19
2-hour trip yeah so there's going to be you know think about how many times you touched the radio dial or or move your
00:57:27
hand on the steering wheel you don't just wipe your car clean 10 and two with gloves on and and and take a two-hour
00:57:34
trip two-hour trip and then if you believe Dante's story she slept in the car the the night that she went that she
00:57:40
disappeared Dante's in the car with her the next day according to his story taking her to the the hospital or the
00:57:46
medical center he's already admitted that he's in the vehicle going to the ATM machine we see him at the at the
00:57:52
Walmart dropping it off now we have some un unident identified man picking up and
00:57:56
moving the vehicle and and it's wiped you have no evidence of any of this of any of these people right and and so I
00:58:03
don't believe law enforcement wiped down the vehicle right so they did didn't find any evidence I do believe there's
00:58:09
some logical reason why they didn't tell uh the family about their findings there
00:58:14
is no logical reason or explanation in my mind that justifies why you didn't process that information right right I
00:58:21
mean that that is just uncalled for and again it's a in a community that has a higher crime rate so I understand that
00:58:28
there's a lot on their plate you know whe they say you know underpaid overworked and underpaid and that's very
00:58:34
true but we got we got a missing girl here that was you know supposedly 8 weeks pregnant so I mean this is a big
00:58:42
deal does this place have a higher crime rate because these guys can't solve any
00:58:46
crimes is that is that what's happening that the that the people are just going you know what they'll never catch us we
00:58:53
can just do whatever we want we're going to run a muck in the streets here so clearly this seems to be something that
00:58:58
the peblo police department that they couldn't handle this case right uh I'm sorry but this appears to be above their
00:59:06
pay grade as well even more disappointing it doesn't seem to be that tough of a case to me Captain right uh
00:59:12
but some of that is narcissism some of that is ego and you see this time and time again and and does this La you know
00:59:21
do they ask for help do they ask for the f mm mm here's what happens and you want
00:59:28
to you want to hear my narcissism and my ego here right I hear it every week all
00:59:32
right well the captain reviewed this case and and I tell you in 15 minutes he solved this thing and he didn't even
00:59:38
have to leave the garage you know I so I don't understand why they couldn't figure it out but you're exactly right
00:59:44
when you have a case here that you can't seem to handle it or you're not going to
00:59:48
handle it properly let's pass this thing on to somebody else a more capable group
00:59:53
well and I I don't have it solved you know you know mean you not brought up anybody on charges no no I'm not gonna
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bring up anybody on charges yet but but there is a lot of questions you know I I
01:00:05
think we know who the key player is in this but you know as we're getting in as we get into this tomorrow there's going
01:00:12
to be a lot of other key people that we're going to bring in that are suspects as well mhm now you asked if
01:00:18
they moved it to anybody else uh very recently they did transfer this case to CBI the colado Bureau of Investigation
01:00:26
which this probably should have been done from the start I'm sure Kelsey's family would tell would back me up on
01:00:32
that it sounds like you know this is a this is a big step in the right direction so I I'm very happy to hear
01:00:39
that it's moved to CBI yeah no and I think that to me is you know when you're in law enforcement or when you're in
01:00:46
anything start by lessening your ego right and going maybe I just don't know we had a case here I think it was last
01:00:54
week maybe two weeks ago very recently and uh so here's how I heard about it on Wednesday night I'm I'm going through uh
01:01:03
Facebook M and I see missing girl missing girl from Ohio State now we covered Brian Schaefer case we covered
01:01:11
Joey leute both students from Ohio State so when I see that I go oh ears perk up
01:01:17
okay she was uh girl from Ohio State Reagan tkes and she was a waitress at a place called bua and she went missing
01:01:26
yeah and she was leaving work and they they don't know anything so then wake up to
01:01:32
Thursday and uh the town that I live in well they found a body mhm and this is like a couple miles from my residency so
01:01:40
I'm going well this is weird and my first thought was what if it's the missing girl from Ohio State right it
01:01:48
comes to be that you know it is they then find her car on the Friday mhm they then have a suspect in custody on that
01:01:57
Saturday mhm and the reason why gr City police department and Columbus Police Department were able to do this as they
01:02:05
called in the feds they called in the CBI here uh and and they did that from the beginning mhm and so girl goes
01:02:13
missing Wednesday bodies found on Thursday cars found on Friday suspect is arrested and and obtained on Saturday
01:02:22
yeah it it and you know might have some of those times a little off because we're going off of memory here but this
01:02:29
was a case that moves so incredibly fast you know it was it was amazing to see this whole machine at work here and it's
01:02:36
terribly unfortunate we cannot bring uh you know M toes back um and she was kidnapped for the most senseless of
01:02:44
reasons but it it it was so amazing to see that this thing moved so fast like the captain said they brought in the FBI
01:02:51
very early they were able to they were able who establish who did this within 3 or 4 days and they were there's a
01:02:59
mountain of evidence on this guy I mean this looks like an open and shut case but because they did their due diligence
01:03:05
they got other agencies involved they worked together with one another and they were able to piece this thing
01:03:11
together very quickly right and like I was saying it's it's back to the ego and when I talked to a retired uh Gross City
01:03:18
police uh detective MH he said I I said you know I I really applaud you guys because this is small uh suburb and not
01:03:26
a lot of crimes happen or not a lot of crimes are reported on and you have this girl found dead and you guys instantly
01:03:34
got people involved and he and he was saying like yeah I mean especially you know he's an older retired detective and
01:03:41
he's saying yeah these new detectives they they didn't even mess around they didn't sit there and go hey by the way
01:03:47
where're the smartest Kids on the Block we're going to figure this out cuz you know two heads are always better than
01:03:52
one and the other thing that was really interesting interesting to me in this case I don't know if this was actually
01:03:59
reported anywhere but what this retired detective told me was when they showed up at the crime scene because they it's
01:04:07
you know it's a homicide and they don't do a lot of crime scene uh you know forensic evidence collecting of homicide
01:04:16
that they instantly called in Columbus homicide forensic unit and they came in to basically take over that side of it
01:04:25
and process the scene appropriately right and and and and have that be a teaching tool MH for for the grow City
01:04:32
police department and I thought that was brilliant and like I said girl goes missing Wednesday bodies found Thursday
01:04:38
cars found on Friday and then you got a suspect and he's arrested on Saturday and not only that they were able to use
01:04:44
technology to their to their advantage as well and part of that I wonder was bringing in the FBI because we very
01:04:52
quickly saw the results of a DNA test that put him with the victim and put him with the victim's car which I mean we
01:04:59
saw a DNA test that the turnaround on this thing was hours right you know not days weeks or months uh so this might
01:05:07
have been the FBI's doing as well as they were able to track his movements through a u monitoring system that he
01:05:13
was he had been released from prison he was being monitored so horrible individual and and our thoughts and
01:05:18
prayers obviously go out to rean uh TK's family and and everybody that knew her mhm absolutely it was definitely a
01:05:25
tragedy for you know you know even if you didn't go to High state if you're a high State fan you just hate to hear you
01:05:33
know about a student going missing well it's a tragedy for the community it really is all right so back to Kelsey's
01:05:39
you know that's a little side note a lot of people asking me about that case um this last couple
01:05:44
weeks um but back to Kelsey's case so what happened with this lawsuit so the lawsuit it while it seems it seems valid
01:05:53
you know mhm for the most part the the problem here is it's very tough to Sue Law Enforcement when they're in the
01:06:01
process of investigating your your a crime um because they have to have certain immunities and on top of that
01:06:10
you cannot just go around just because you don't think the police did something correctly you have to have actual
01:06:17
evidence you have to have strong evidence that they that they Mis carry Justice to have a valid lawsuit so I
01:06:24
believe that while you might have some information here that would would Point towards the guilt of Dante or family
01:06:31
members that they may have been involved in something here The problem is this lawsuit was carried out against the
01:06:39
police department and Dante's family as well so as soon as you throw those police members in there well that gets
01:06:46
that gets very tough for this thing to go to actual court because they have to be able to investigate they have to be
01:06:51
able to conduct their business without people just walking around suing them constantly and I think the thing about
01:06:57
law enforcement or detectives you know the question is was somebody a dumbass or was somebody an [ __ ] you
01:07:07
know what I mean was the law enforcement did they do something that was just stupid and they just didn't process
01:07:14
something correctly or whatever or or were they doing something malicious and I think most of the time you can ER on
01:07:21
the side of they were just dumbass and if they did cover something up it was CU they were a dumbass and then they had to
01:07:27
cover up that they were a dumbass yeah I don't think I didn't see any anybody here it's Dumas I didn't see anybody
01:07:34
here purposely covering things up for for any reason that they want to cover up this crime it it looked to me like
01:07:42
laziness really is what I saw a lot of maybe you have a situation where you have a lot of guys that are close to
01:07:48
retirement you know they're getting a little long in the tooth and they've done this job for a long time and and
01:07:54
it's kind of warm out the question is and we're going to talk about this more tomorrow but if if it wasn't just Dante
01:08:01
that was involved it was family members of Dante's that was involved that maybe their connections lead up to law
01:08:10
enforcement yeah and that's a obviously a possibility I think it's a far stretch
01:08:15
but there's so much more to dive into in this case and we should jump into that tomorrow yep yep but but the lawsuit was
01:08:21
dropped the lawsuit was in fact dropped yes right so tomorrow we're going to dive into the new theory that they have
01:08:27
on this case we're going to dive into some of the weird Social Media stuff happening with this case very weird uh
01:08:33
also some weird stuff going on at Dante's mother's house yeah possible new evidence mhm and then the family
01:08:40
actually turns to a Psychic Detective so we're going to talk about those findings
01:08:45
and uh and and what our thoughts on that areh uh recommended reading for this week I'm recommending you got to be
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