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individuals in custody which detectives believe may have been involved in the high-fi store robbery and murders those
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three men are Dale Pierre William Andrews and Keith Roberts all living at the nearby Hill Air Force Base yeah two
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of them they apprehended right and then one of them turned themselves in according to the papers Keith Roberts
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turned himself in we don't know the details of that sometimes they issue an official statement looking for someone
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and then that person turns themselves in because they feel like they have no other recourse but that's what the paper
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State regardless of how it all came about it's time to get some more evidence in addition to what they
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currently have which is witness statements and don't forget about the personal items of the victims that
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belong to the victims that were found in a dumpster at the barracks where the men
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live to be clear though just because those items were found in that dumpster does not directly tie any three of these
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men to the crime itself yeah but I wonder at the scene do we have any fingerprints we should have DNA we know
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that there was a rape that took place correct so it's it's 1974 who knows if they collected DNA or
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not at the time but to further that we do have and and I was going to kind of save this for later in the game but
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there is a statement from one of the victims that the perpetrators of this robbery were wearing gloves at the time
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right but what we will have and this is going to be significant we have a search
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warrant that is issued for the barracks where all three of the men live there police found flyers for the Hi-Fi
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shop you know like sale flyers and advertisements for merchandise at the store but what is truly going to seal
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the deal when it came to bringing up actual murder charges and robbery charges against these guys it was during
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this search that law enforcement found a rental contract for a unit at a local storage facility it's my understanding
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that not only is this found in their possession but at least one of the men signed the actual contract so the
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storage unit was being rented by them well this unit was pretty close to the Hi-Fi store so what this is going to be
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here is going to be another quick phone call get another search warrant but this
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time for the storage unit so following the issuance of said warrant a boatload or should I say two van loads amount of
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stereo equipment was located inside this storage unit very soon later using the serial numbers on the merchandise it was
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confirmed that all of it came from the store and was stolen on the night of the murders also recovered from the storage
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unit was a half empty bottle of dro yeah that's just horrifying cuz we know the details with the collection of this
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evidence these young men were charged with with murder and aggravated robbery some interesting things here
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Captain some of the reports say that the police believe that more individuals were involved in the robbery SL theft of
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these items but these three men all of them Airmen in the Air Force living at the nearby Hill Air Base were the only
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persons ever arrested and ever charged in this case yeah it's I mean it's confusing one that these individuals
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would sign up to serve and protect our freedoms mhm and then they would go off and do a crime like this and commit
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murders like this and you have eyewitnesses that place two vehicles at the scene so is it possible that police
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believe that these crimes happen and maybe just two men are responsible for the attacks and the murders why there's
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another set of guys that were also stealing stuff yeah and I think we'll we'll tear through that as we go along
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here because that's what this second half will be is really a deep dive into the details of the crime itself who did
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what and possibly even why and you reference you know why these guys would sign up for to protect our freedoms of
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this great country and then carry out these horrific murders and I'm not saying that this in
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fact applies here I don't know it to be the case one way or another so I want to
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please do not hear what I'm not saying but what right but one thing you know and I get I get these great emails from
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so many great people out there and they say Nick why are you constantly referencing old cases that you guys have
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covered or other cases that you have some knowledge of and it's for the simple fact that detectives FBI
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investigating agencies one thing that they do is they rely on their experiences and past studies from
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Criminal behavior and they apply it to their current investigations so that's why we constantly do that here in the
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garage it's a true crime discussion we're talking True Crime my comment on why these guys would sign up to protect
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us and then they carried out these crimes again I don't know it to be the case here but one thing I know about a
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lot of older cases especially from the 60s and 70s when you see young individuals young men that are 18 19 20
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years old and they're committing these terrible crimes and they were in the army or the Navy and people were going
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how did the Army not catch this guy you know that that he's some right killing lunatic how did they let this guy sign
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up for the Navy or for the Army I found in a lot of cases that you could go before a judge when you were 17 years
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old and you committed some minor offense and part of your defense to get a a lesser sentence or to get a light slap
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on the wrist was to say my intentions are right after high school I'm signing up for the Army I'm sign signing up for
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the Navy it's it's no question that everybody receives discipline by going and signing up for and serving right you
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you become more mature wiser and disciplined and a lot of times judges see that as a way of you know we are or
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should be first and foremost in the position of wanting to rehabilitate offenders that can be rehabilitated and
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so I don't mind that method so much I don't know that it happened here but it brings up the good question of did it I
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think more important is and I had a little hard time figuring this out why the higher number most Reports say that
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police at some point thought maybe five or even six people total were believed to have been involved in the commission
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of these crimes well think about you get two Vans you have drivers in each van and then you have two individuals taking
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stuff mhm that would be a total of six right and I think a lot of this stems from another St story that came out that
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it is believed that involved the three individuals that are currently in custody in this high-fi case that they
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along with three other males went into a different stereo shop in another town near closing time and the owner says he
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believed the six of these men were behaving strangely and I don't know if there was a confrontation but there was
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no robbery there was no attack that went down right and so my thought is maybe that this story really just kind of went
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with police going well think about it too it's 1974 the size of stereo equipment is much different in 74 than
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it is today it's huge and very likely they used both of those vans that were seen at the scene to transport all of
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this stereo equipment that they had to H they had to rent a storage facility to store it there
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this was like 24 to $25,000 worth of stereo equipment yeah well maybe when they went
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to this other location if they did and depending on how this store owner reacted or how many
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employer how many employees were there at the time it might have deterred them from trying to commit the crime that
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night the thing that I think is troubling to say for certain if there were five or six individuals involved
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the three that they they have in custody it's my understanding that none of them
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confessed to anything they had to take them to trial and try each one of these individuals and see if they can convict
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them so it's not like a situation where we have people rolling over on one another and turning in other people to
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to um lessen their sentence let's say well I think I I do believe that the the driver turned on the other two a little
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bit but because wasn't inside the building I don't think there was much a ton of evidence that he could give them
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well if he never entered the building other than the two offenders telling him what they did he would have no
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information to offer up as to what happened inside the building or specifically in that basement anyway
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right but what we do know this is really interesting there were some further findings here in this case and the these
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are very specific so it was eventually learned that Pierre and Andrews that they got the idea of making the hostage
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drink Drano from a scene in a movie the movie was called magnum force and it was
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the sequel to the movie Dirty hary the movie Dirty hary has its own ties to True Crime as many people out there know
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as the psychopathic killer in the movie known as Scorpio well the movie Drew upon the
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real life case of the Zodiac Killer in some of the creation of ideas for that movie is that the go ahead Punk make my
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day is that the one I I believe it is yes okay well if anybody wants to cast me in a roll they can just go to True
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Crime garage.com and email me in the first so this would be the first magnum force was the first of several sequels
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the movie Magnum Force there is a scene where a woman is forced to drink Dro and
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in that scene she immediately dies so Pierre and Andrews apparently thought that it would
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be a good way to kill any of their likely hostages it would be quick it would be
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silent it would be a good method if they had to kill somebody in the commission of this
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robbery however Magnum for is a movie and not real life uhhuh Drano for those that do not know is an industrial
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strength drain cleaner used primarily for unclogging drains when the victims were forced to
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drink this their mouths and throat began to burn very very badly almost instantly the victims therefore screamed
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in pain this made the As salant attempt to tape the host's mouths shut to silence the victims however this again
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because of the dro would not work either this is because the dro almost immediately caused blistering and
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blisters to form in the mouths and the throats of the victims their lips and skin around their mouths began to peel
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off but they but these guys didn't bring the dro with them that's another argument why is it an
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argument because because if they brought it with them that would show premeditation
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correct okay so when when all of this is occurring not only do we have like skin
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that's peeling off but we also have pus that's oozing from the blisters and all of this then makes it impossible for the
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asants to tape the victim's mouths shut or to silence them in this manner again like I said it looks like they didn't
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roll on one another or anyone else the question then becomes if there was anyone else involved did the
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police did they never discover the identity of these people never know the names or did they was it a situation
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where they had an idea of who but couldn't get the evidence to match it heck it's difficult to say if Keith
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Roberts was even offered a deal to talk or testify against anyone specifically Andrews and Pierre because that's who
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might be willing to deal who you you know law enforcement might be willing to deal with out of the three in
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custody now in regards to two of the three arrested I do know from newspaper reports that William Andrews said he was
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seeking a public defender and Pierre said he already had counsel because he had been charged with auto theft a few
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months earlier and because of that charge he already had an attorney fighting for him in that at
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charge so let's get to the trial here Captain jury selection began in the fall of 1974 in
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Farmington notice we didn't say Ogden right in Farmington they moved the trial from Ogden because of all of the
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publicity this would end up being one of the fastest turnarounds I can recall but
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you have to keep in mind back then when you had a really horrible crime that really just devastates everyone right
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they move faster they move a little bit faster so which I which I think maybe we
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could learn something from I think that's something that we could do better and in the justice system now I think
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both ways you know what I mean like I feel like back then specifically this case moved along a little too fast for
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my liking okay but I also see some cases nowadays that seem to drag on way too long for my liking right okay so when
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you have a really horrible crime you know we said devastates everyone this crime Captain to say that this
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devastated Ogden is a huge huge understatement this was a shock to everyone of course on the local level at
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the state level and nationally and when this happens we're talking about things how they may have
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worked in 1974 they are ready to go to trial as soon as the prosecutor says we've built a case and we're ready to
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proceed it also helps from a disc and evidentiary standpoint there was only one event right there was only one event
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here that encompasses everything all in contrast to something like the Golden State killer who's also known as ears or
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ons the original nightstalker case right there are so many different events that
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when Joseph James D'Angelo was arrested back in April of 2018 here we are 2 years later and still
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waiting on on the trial and that's what I mean it's it's a bit of a pisser right when you have a
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case like that when you have this old dude who will not admit to anything that he did and he's one of the worst people
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ever to walk this planet it's it's hard to to call him a person yeah but if he is truly absolute animal guilty of all
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the things he's being accused of the real kick in the nuts here for the public is this guy won't admit to any
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he doesn't want to he clearly doesn't want to be convicted of anything he's not like BTK
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where BTK comes out and he's almost proud of his killings and says this is what I did and this is how I did it no
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this guy he says sit down let me tell you a story this guy is fully ready to die and not give his victims that are
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still alive many of his victims that are still alive that little piece of some kind of closure oh he's a real piece
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piece of [ __ ] now I will say in the defense of the court system out there in California that I do believe that
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covid-19 has affected the start date for that trial because I remember reading in
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January of 2020 that the judge was saying look defense team for D'Angelo you've you've
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drag this thing out long enough we're going to bring this to trial and I think he put a date on on the end of April
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2020 and of course we know the the whole world changed between January and April
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of this year yeah it's been the worst year I think I've been alive yeah I mean it's been a very tough
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year number one I heard a joke the the other day which I I found to be one kind of funny but also kind of smart that
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said the the two the two smartest Americans in the world left the world took off into outer space but so I guess
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if you really want to compare this to to a more modernday case I would compare it
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to the Cheshire murders which we covered back in Halloween of 2017 EP episodes 154 155 it was a home invasion and the
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murders took place in June of 2007 and the trials didn't go down until one was in September of 201 10 and the other was
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the following year in September of 2011 that was the case where the the husband was in the basement he was he was asleep
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on the couch they knocked him out tied him up in the basement it's weird because that case mirrors the Hi-Fi
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murders case quite a bit when you think about it right because you had the the dad in this situation the Hi Five
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murders get loose and and try to get to help yeah and both of them you have the perpetrators from from what we can what
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we can deduce from both of these crimes is it appears that both sets of perpetrators understood that there were
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going to be people inside the one the residents one inside the shop that they were going to have to
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control and do something with or to while they robed The Joint so that for me is a very similar cases and of course
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that case they were seeking capital punishment those were capital punishment trials and that's what we would see in
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the high-fi murders as well so this is going to be a joint trial which I'm not a I'm not a real big fan of I I really
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feel like I hate them I really feel like everybody should be tried kind of individually because I think that there
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are there are some people that are more guilty than others in the commission of some of these crimes especially when
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we're talking about murders especially when we're talking about the death penalty cases and I almost feel like
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some of the Lesser guilty Maybe are guilty but the Lesser guilty people get lumped in with the more guilty and that
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doesn't seem to be fair to this garage idiot well and because in this case we have multiple crimes right we have theft
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we have we have taking over the building so we have hostages we have uh again we
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have three individuals not all three are involved in all those we have the rape and then we have the attempted
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murders and the murders right and you have to separate who did what and when and then and how responsible is each
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person for what they did themselves or what they were a part of you know just being there right so from my
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understanding here Captain we have again a joint trial all three Pierre Andrews and Roberts are charged with
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first-degree murder and robbery and the trial began on October 15th 1974 during the trial it was revealed
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that Pierre and Andrews had robbed the store with the intention of killing anyone they came across Survivor Orin
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Walker was the star witness for the prosecution Orin took the stand and told the jury how Pierre and Andrews Pierre
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actively was determined to kill everyone in the store his testimony was by far in
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a way the most damning to all of the defendants Pierre and Andrews especially here we have a guy that suffered and
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somehow survived an attack that he can give firsthand knowledge of and recount the murders of three and injuries and
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how they happened to himself and Courtney Nisbet well and the torture that took place yeah the thing here
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captain that is going to be a real real bad problem for Pierre and Andrews one is the fact that that we have the test
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testimony from Orin that Michelle begged and begged and begged for her life that
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she pleed pleaded with them not to kill her this is after she was brutally raped
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we also have the fact that all said all of the victims that are tied up saying hey just take anything you want but
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don't kill us please don't kill us you can take anything you want so what what this is pointing out we are not talking
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about a robbery where any one of the victims is going that's giving any Ty of resistance at all right none of these
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victims are making anything more difficult for these robbers they're compliant it's like you've said in many
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cases if the intent was just to steal this stereo equipment you had no resistance so obviously that you could
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have done that that wasn't your intent because you murdered these individuals and tortured these individuals and it's
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reminiscent of what we talked about a few weeks ago right with Paul John nolles an individual who who was robbing
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people stealing their vehicles sometimes stealing their identities taking their money their personal
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possessions it appears that very few of his murder victims and it's believed that he killed a lot of people very few
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of them even knew who he was meaning he could have just taken their items and left but he decided that he had to kill
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break we were talking about the problems the damning testimony coming from Orin Walker telling everybody hey this is
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what went down during the commission of these crimes this is how these people were killed and by whom we
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also have further testimony from Warren that we didn't get to and this is going to be very troubling especially for
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Pierre because Orin is on the stand and he's saying look Pierre returned to me twice to make sure that I was dead right
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and when he still Found Me Alive the first time he strangled me with a cord then he leaves again and then the next
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time he returns with a flashlight to assist him in taking my pulse to see if I have a pulse and when he discovers
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that I do have one I'm still alive Pierre once again tries his best to end My Life by jamming a pen into my ear and
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kicking it and stomping on it until the back over those details again that it broke through and we know that it went
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through into orin's throat in my mind captain no doubt Pierre thought that the pen busted through into the brain right
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and it was only then that he thought the deed was done and did not feel the need
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anymore to check the man for a pulse yeah so is really the testimony of this Survivor of this this
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victim that is going to help seal the deal here now due to his Amnesia suffered from the many many
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injuries that were part of the commission of these murders and robbery Byron Courtney
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Nesbit was unable to testify he's got you know he he does have memories of the crimes but during the trial itself he
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was unable to testify yeah just one month after the start of the trial this is on November 16th Pierre and Andrews
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were convicted of all charges and Roberts the third man was convicted of only robbery 4 days later
00:32:00
Pierre and Andrews were sentenced to death let's just go back to that for a minute because the driver what they were
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able to find out is that yes he drove the vehicle there but he never went inside so he not only did he not witness
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what happened so he wouldn't have been able to stop it because he didn't witness it but I don't think they even
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told him what they did when they left so he didn't even have knowledge of of those crimes well and according to our
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two surviving victims what their statements have always been is they believe that the
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majority or all of the merchandise that was stolen from the store was removed before anybody was killed right so
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Roberts was sentenced to 5 Years to Life five years to life imprisonment for his
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his involvement in these crimes the other thing here that I want to point out Captain is a really tricky detail in
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all of this the men that committed these crimes were they're not idiots right these are these are
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relatively intelligent men their acts in in criminal behavior is is disgusting but one thing that I've always had
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trouble with this especially with Pierre with this individual Pierre well they're
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capable of being in the Air Force they broke into the Hi-Fi shop shortly before it
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closed you didn't have to have any victims is what I keep returning to yeah you could have they're they're
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relatively intelligent individuals they could have they could have easily anyone
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you know there even us two garage idiots could go you know what it might be better for us to break into the stereo
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store hold on after they close well hold on a second I'm looking around looking around the garage like we could use a
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new stereo just saying but but no no but I I think it's almost like Pierre used this as like I can get some people to
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come along with me to help me steal some stereo equipment but that's not what I'm
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doing this for I'm actually doing it because I want to kill somebody I'm actually doing it because I want to rape
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somebody to me it feels like a double whammy situation you know the I think he wanted to do more than
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just Rob the place like you said right now the Hi-Fi murders are still regarded as one of the worst criminal acts ever
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committed in the state of Utah the FBI Academy at quanico actually teaches trainees about the case specifically the
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story of the detective in front of the crowd removing pieces of Articles of you know the the
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purses the wallet personal items from the victim removing those in front of the crowd in 1982 a book by Gary kinder
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titled victim the other side of murder was released originally Kinder was going to write a an In Cold Blood style book
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that would focus on Dale Selby Pierre the murderer Kinder exchanged over 200 letters with the convicted killer and
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even visited him several times at the Utah State Prison Pierre turned on Kinder in 1980 when Kinder refused to
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sign over 10% of the books proceeds to Pierre looks like Pierre thought he could capitalize on the murders even
00:35:33
from behind Prison Walls this prompted kinder to change directions completely and focus on the
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victim on one of the victims Courtney Nesbit and the effect the Hi-Fi murders had on him and his family Kinder set up
00:35:50
a trust for Courtney based on a percentage of the book and film rights and the case became the basis for the
00:35:58
1991 CBS TV movie titled aftermath a test of Love well and they're going to talk about the whole Drano situation as
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well whether they brought it or not and what I believe that Pierre claims is that when he was using the restroom he
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saw the Drano there and that's when he decided to make the victims drink the Drano yeah so I couldn't find what the
00:36:24
original trial defense was set up what what their whole story was right but what I could find was what we have is a
00:36:35
a later appeals proceeding or appeals hearing I don't know the exact terminology for it
00:36:43
basically what we have is Pierre is nearing the execution date he was sentenced to
00:36:50
death and they're going to have a hearing to give the opportunity of maybe we can commute this to a life sentence
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at which Pierre speaks and he says the Drano I went to use the restroom during the robbery I saw the Drano there I put
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two and two together and thought I would use it on the victims the problem you have with that is we do know at the
00:37:14
original trial or in Walker's testimony was that at some point after everybody was tied up one of the men he heard one
00:37:23
of the men say to the other man to go get something from the van outside right and that is when one of the men returned
00:37:32
to the basement with this liquid all of a sudden that they were supposed to be drinking then we have this other matter
00:37:40
that I think we should get to before we wrap things up here today yeah but can we just stay on that for just one second
00:37:46
I believe even if you know from what we've seen and what we've talked to lawyers and stuff you're at this scene
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and you decide that you're going to make them drink this liquid this poison just the thought that it you know
00:38:04
to pour it into cups or however you're going to have them drink it or if they're going to this is enough time to
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to constitute as premeditation so I it doesn't matter to me if you brought it with you or you
00:38:16
didn't like you know to argue those little details to try to get it reduced to life a life sentence doesn't make a
00:38:25
lot of sense to me well and it would be quite the coincidence to have a completely different person saying I
00:38:32
saw two of the perpetrators watching Magnum Force where this woman is forced to drink some kind of liquid or drao in the
00:38:43
movie and she dies immediately and I hear them discussing the the scene in the movie
00:38:49
right that's that's quite the coincidence now could it have gone down exactly as Pierre said maybe who knows
00:38:56
no we we weren't there we don't know for certain and aurin never says specifically that he heard the one man
00:39:02
say to the other go get the Drano from the van or go get blah blah blah from the van he doesn't specify what it is
00:39:09
that he hears the man asked to go get from the drain or from the van but regardless like you said Captain there
00:39:15
is a certain level of premeditation in either scenario if Pierre wants to diminish it to maybe get him a chance at
00:39:25
life imprisonment instead of of the death penalty I mean I can I can understand pulling out all stops and and attempting
00:39:34
anything during that hearing but the other thing we should discuss too is that there was another
00:39:41
murder okay this took place on October 5th 1973 police responded to a homicide this
00:39:50
is at the apartment of Air Force Sergeant Edward Jefferson who was stationed at the Hill Air Force Base
00:39:58
just south of Ogden It is believed that Jefferson was murdered in his sleep he was found on his couch wearing a set of
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thermal underwear and his hands were still folded across his chest within days police had a possible suspect but
00:40:15
they only knew this man as Dale from the West Indies as they continued to interview persons close to the victim
00:40:24
they figured out that Dale from the West Indies was likely 20-year-old Airman Dale Pierre from witness statements here
00:40:32
is the theory that they piece together less than a week before the murder several people friends if you will were
00:40:40
at Sergeant Jefferson's apartment hanging out Jefferson's key ring with the keys to his vehicle and apartment
00:40:48
turn up missing everyone there helps Jefferson to search the apartment for the keys but
00:40:55
they never turn up the next day Dale Pierre returned to the apartment and while he's there He
00:41:02
suggests hey let's search the apartment again to look for the keys this time the
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keys magically turn up Jefferson was very suspicious and did a little investigation of his own Jefferson
00:41:16
learned that Pierre took his keys to the Air Force bases lockmith and using a fake name Curtis
00:41:23
Alexander he had duplicates made of the key Jefferson confronted Pierre about this 2
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Days Later Jefferson is found dead on his couch in his own living room the killer this is what police could piece
00:41:37
together the killer had placed a pillow over Jefferson's face and drove a bayonet through his face oh my God
00:41:45
killing him instantly with the first blow however that was not enough to feed the Rage of the killer because the
00:41:53
killer drove the bayonet through Jefferson's face repeatedly ly the blade went all the way through his brain and
00:42:00
the hilt of the weapon fractured his skull the detectives believe that the killer enjoyed committing this murder
00:42:08
and that is why he drove the bayonet through this man's face over and over again police were certain that Dale
00:42:15
Pierre was Sergeant Jefferson's killer but they never had enough evidence to bring him to trial or to make an
00:42:24
official arrest well those that's one of those cases you know hindsight you're going to go well maybe the case doesn't
00:42:31
get solved and maybe we can't put all the pieces together but now that we have him connected with these horrible
00:42:39
murders you kind of go well that case is kind of solved then you kind of wonder what else if you know after you know
00:42:47
about the high-f five murders what else is this guy capable of and it doesn't seem like there capable of anything yeah
00:42:52
that there's any limits to that now Dale Selby Pierre some of the Articles and stories you
00:42:59
find about this guy there are variations of his name and that is because once he
00:43:04
was in prison Pierre changed his name more than 20 times in fact one report I saw said 27 times he says that this is
00:43:14
because he was trying to spare his family embarrassment and hostility from the community now Dale Selby Pierre was
00:43:23
executed on August 28th 1987 he was the first person in the state of Utah to be executed by way of
00:43:32
lethal injection there was a brilliant article by Jerry Spangler in the Desiree news and these executions are very hard
00:43:42
to report on because there is such a mixed bag of emotions and opinions on the death penalty itself and rightfully
00:43:50
so parts of the article read calmly Dale Selby Pierre blink linked his eyes and licked his lips he took deep breaths his
00:44:00
eyes fixed on the bright lights above his head he wiggled his toes and muttered a quiet prayer as the toxic
00:44:07
chemicals dripped relentlessly into his bloodstream one of Utah's most notorious
00:44:12
Killers calmly closed his eyes and slipped quietly into death there was no anger no protest no violence from him
00:44:25
sel's death was in marked contrast to the hours long torture slayings of three people in the basement of an Ogden
00:44:34
stereo shop there was no protest from Selby now I'm saying Selby because in this article
00:44:40
that's the name that they are using when he changed his name Captain most of the
00:44:44
time he was his birth name from my understanding is Dale Selby Pierre when he changed his name he
00:44:53
really just moved around those three three names yeah so there was no pre protest from Pierre but outside there
00:45:01
were some 200 demonstrators many of them opponents of the death penalty but some
00:45:07
of them very much for the death penalty you have to keep in mind though too there were some people who are pro death
00:45:14
penalty for very specific situations and not many others I think likely that could have been the case here with
00:45:23
several in the crowd that were all for it the death penalty opponents sang songs like we shall overcome and Amazing
00:45:31
Grace while Pro death penalty demonstrators saying poor Selby poor son of a gun he's going to die one man wore
00:45:38
pencils on his head going into his ears a like a variation of the fake arot trick right he carried a can of
00:45:48
Drano yeah it was intended to make the point representing an eye for an eye Dale Selby Pierre was pronounced dead
00:45:58
shortly after 1:00 a.m. he was 34 years old Pierre requested that the $29 in his commissary account be left to
00:46:09
his friend William Andrews Dale Selby Pierre was the first person executed in the state of Utah since Utah executed
00:46:17
Gary Gilmore on January 17th 1977 so roughly 10 years between these two executions
00:46:26
oddly enough Captain one could say that Gary Gilmore was executed for indiscriminate felony murder as well he
00:46:34
too committed armed robbery and both times killed the person working at the establishments that he robbed right
00:46:42
Gilmore chose the firing squad method and when asked on the morning of January 17th 1977 if he had any last words he
00:46:51
simply replied let's do it William Andrews was executed by the state of Utah using
00:46:59
lethal injection on July 30th 1992 his last meal was a banana split that he shared with his sister and niece
00:47:10
during their final visit at the execution and just before Andrews did not discuss the three murders he was
00:47:18
sentenced to Die For in a final statement he said thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive
00:47:27
this was very controversial I mean they're trying to get his death sentence reduced to life for a while yes so going
00:47:36
into that Andrew's always stuck to his story that he was with Pierre that he did help take each victim captive and
00:47:44
Rob the store but he did not physically by his own hand kill any of the three murder victims whether you agree with
00:47:51
that or not what we stated from the beginning of the trials was this is one of the problems I have and I
00:47:58
think you have with trying trying people together yeah but then on top of that you I mean you have all kinds of other
00:48:06
issues with this I mean Orin it doesn't sound like he's 100% on who did what I mean keep in mind he's in a lot of pain
00:48:14
he's tied up he's he's face down on a basement floor but it seems like he is of the belief too that Pierre is the one
00:48:23
that was responsible for all of the murders and most of the actual physical torture and then later we have Courtney
00:48:31
nebit who survived but could not testify because of Amnesia what he does seem to remember or
00:48:38
believes that he remembers according to the book victim is he says that he remembers hearing the two men arguing
00:48:47
either upstairs or in another part of the basement over what to do with the victims and that it was decided that
00:48:54
they were going to kill kill them but Andrews is saying I can't do it to which Pierre then says I'll take care of it
00:49:03
give me 30 minutes but again that's that's the troubling thing here where is the line
00:49:10
because obviously if that ex is exactly what took place Andrews didn't stop Pierre from going in the other room and
00:49:18
attempting to kill five people yeah so in that and you helped make the decision right you decided to bring guns to the
00:49:27
scene you may have helped to decide to bring Dro to the scene there's a whole long list of of offenses here now in his
00:49:35
final statement as said he said thank you to those who tried so hard to keep me alive you pointed out yes because
00:49:41
this was controversial at the time still is controversial I hope they continue to
00:49:46
fight for Equal justice After I'm Gone tell my family goodbye and I love them a prison official asked him this has been
00:49:54
a long haul for for you hasn't it to which Andrews replied yes I'm actually very tired yeah it's very uh very tragic
00:50:04
case Keith Roberts who was just 19 at the time of the murders he was the getaway driver and it was in fact
00:50:11
determined at the trial that he had no role in nor knowledge of the murders he was convicted of two counts of
00:50:19
aggravated robbery Roberts was paroled in May of 1987 after nearly 13 years in prison I
00:50:28
have seen some different reports out there but because I cannot verify for certain I'll report what seems to be the
00:50:34
general consensus of reporting and that is that Keith Roberts moved to the state
00:50:40
of Oklahoma after his parole right it does not appear that he got into any further trouble with the law and it does
00:50:48
look like he passed away back in 1992 Orin Walker the star witness at the trial of the men convicted for the Hi-Fi
00:50:57
murders and robbery passed away in February of 2000 at the age of 69 and then 28 years after the brutal Hi-Fi
00:51:08
murders that shocked Utah Byron Courtney Nesbit one of only two survivors in the
00:51:14
1974 torture murder Rampage died at the young age of 44 Courtney died in Seattle after a long
00:51:24
and undis closed illness Courtney was shot in the head and left for dead during the commission
00:51:30
of those crimes he suffered throughout his life from disabilities from being tortured in the stereo shop his father
00:51:39
Dr Byron Nesbit declined for comment only saying this is the end of the Hi-Fi story I want this to be the
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