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[Music] [Applause] sword Florence is the capital city of the region of Tuscany Florence was the center of trade
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and finance during the Middle Ages and was considered one of the wealthiest cities of that
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era it is considered to be the birthplace of the Renaissance today it is a city known for
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its architecture famous monuments and Renaissance art each year millions of tourists flock
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to the area Florence is one of the most beautiful cities in the world but amongst all of this culture and beauty
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lies a stain gruesome and ugly stain that has permanently left its mark on Florence and scarred the city
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forever because in the second half of the 20th century something awoke a monster that was sleeping in the Hills
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outside of the great City for nearly 20 years the monster crept in the dark under a moonless sky
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ambushing its prey over a dozen people were murdered while making love in parked cars in the
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hills of Florence this monster has not only ended many lives but destroyed families and
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terrified the hundreds of thousands that live in the area it does not take Supernatural
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insight into the dark side of the human soul to see absolute evil that not only lies within but oozes from the
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monster over 100,000 men have been investigated over a dozen men have been arrested and countless lives have been
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ruined by false [Music] accusations there have been suicides exhumations poisonings body parts sent in the mail
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and seances in [Music] graveyards it quickly became clear to the entire country that Florence now had
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its very own serial [Music] killer a killer unique to the area but disturbingly familiar to us in the
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United States the monster murderous crimes are hauntingly similar to that of the Son of
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Sam the Phantom killer of Tex Arcana and the Zodiac but unlike his evil American
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Brothers no one would survive the monster of Florence for us our story starts on
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Saturday September 14th 1974 just about 40 kilom outside of Florence a young man 19 years old named
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pasquali who worked at a local bar spent that evening with his lovely young girlfriend
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Stefania who is only 18 years old after a few hours at one of their favorite spots a local disco club the two hopped
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in pasqual's small car a blue Fiat 127 and drove off into the night the young man knew he had to have
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his sweetheart home at a reasonable hour but but before dropping her off the two
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were looking for a little privacy so they went and parked the car in a secluded area near a
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lake sometime just before 11:45 p.m. a dark figure approached the vehicle there was no moon that night so
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it was particularly dark out the dark figure got very close to the car's driver side door the couple likely did
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not see this as they were quite busy suddenly five gunshots broke the night's silence pasquali was hit all
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five times at a close range once in the heart and four times in the body then four more gunshots all hitting
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Stefania none in vital parts of her body the dark figure the monster walks around to the passenger side door pulls
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the door open and grabs Stefania and pulls her out of the car the monster throws her to the ground just behind the
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car near the tailpipe the monster pulls out a knife and lunges toward the very badly injured
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girl and with this very sharp knife he stabs her 96 times the monster then violated the
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woman's corpse after he grabbed the necklace from around Steph st's neck and yanked it off of
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her the monster picks up stefania's purse and dumps the contents on the ground before leaving he walks over to
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pasquali who has by now died from the gunshot wounds the monster stabs Pali five times
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their bodies were discovered the next day by a farmer this is true crime garage and
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this is the monster of [Music] Florence the monster of Florence Captain one of a very famous case worldwide and
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the first double homicide that we're going to discuss is the one that took place in 1974 described right there by
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our wonderful narrator I don't know who that guy is he's very very talented you should see him he was he was reading
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that telling that story and playing the cello at the same time blew my mind yeah
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blindfolded blindfolded uh the thing here is Captain so let's go through that crime uh let's talk about what evidence
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may have been found and if there were any leads in that double homicide of the two young people that were shot that
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night in their car now a little bit of background on the two young people well they they had a long-term relationship
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this was not a one night fling I know they were very young pasquali was only 19 and Stefania was 18 at the time but
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they were high school sweethearts they had been together for some time and they were out enjoying the evening together
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and then they're gunned down in their vehicle MH um as far as the autopsy goes and the findings of that you know we
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already said that pasquali he he was already dead when he was stabbed he was shot first and then for some reason the
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killer went back to him and stabbed him five times as for Stefania she was shot four times and then stabbed there's
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there's two different uh arguments here one being that she was stabbed 96 six times the other that she was stabbed 97
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times who knows I mean that's a lot of stab wounds I don't know if you're going to be able to determine if exactly how
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many it was right regardless um it was determined that the first three times that she was stabbed
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is what actually killed her and it is believed by the investigators that the remaining 93 or 94 stab wounds were made
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postmortem and most of these stab WS focused on the female areas of the body a lot of them being what people would
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typically dub superficial stab wounds yeah there's going to be some very gruesome stuff in this episode just a
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warning there well I'm glad that you dropped that warning because uh another very strange thing about this crime uh
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the killer had placed a Vine shoot inside the female victim placed a what a Vine shoot uh like a some kind of
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vegetation that would have been growing in the area Okay um the authorities did find as far as evidence goes they did
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find shell casings at the crime scene all of these came from bullets that were used in a Beretta handgun they were 22
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caliber long rifle bullets and both the ammo and the gun are commonly used uh guns or commonly owned guns in this area
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MH and as we mentioned stefania's necklace uh it must have been stolen um she it was reporting that she was
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wearing it that night and it was not found at the crime scene uh the investigators found stefania's brawl and
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purse about 200 M from the murder scene remember we had said that the killer had
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taken her purse and dumped the contents of it onto the ground now more than one witness driving in that area that night
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reported hearing gunshots around 11:45 p.m. and judging by reports of what time the couple left the Disco the
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investigators believed that the couple were parked at the location for about an hour or so before the shooting took
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place as for leads well there were there were a few but as you will see there is
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not much detailed information for investigators to work with here so yes uh two of stefania's friends came
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forward in the investigation one says that on the day that the couple was killed Stefania told a friend that she
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had a strange encounter with a man that had scared her now stepania failed or did not give any further detail about
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the man you know didn't mention if she knew his name but what what was the situation didn't give a description of
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the man or didn't even say what had terrified her about this situation so it's just basically I met this guy he
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freaked me out and that's it or I was I was I was here and this happened it was a very brief thing but it was enough for
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after she was killed for her friend to come forward and say by the way she happened to mention this casually to me
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the day that she was killed mhm okay the next lead again comes from a friend of stefanas a different friend says that
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the couple had been in somewhat of a secluded area just days earlier uh pasquali was giving Stefania a driving
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lesson MH uh but they said that a man had followed them they believed that a man had followed them to the location
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and was watching them during the course of this uh so-called driving lesson um the thing here is though this again it's
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one of those things that you know when when you are talking to your friends and when you're talking to your family and
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something weird happens to you that day it might only be just a weird little thing that happens right but then if
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when a crime like this takes place just days later all of a sudden it's a big thing that you're wondering well why
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didn't I nudge that person further why didn't I say what kind of car did you see what color was the vehicle what did
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the man look like was it somebody you knew you know uh these are things that happen to us in our daily lives and we
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you know kind of casually tell our friends and family about it the other lead um this came from several people
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came from a bunch of young couples that would park in the same area where the couple was killed these couples told
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investigators that they had often seen men watching them uh voyers observing the couples as they were being romantic
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in their vehicles a bunch of peeping THS is what you're saying thank thank you Captain
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here's what I think is funny about this yeah we we knew this guy was watching and it didn't stop
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you um well the thing here that that was that was obvious to me very quickly in this case that that was foreign to me um
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because not being you know from the area or even familiar with it I didn't realize that there's a whole community
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of this going on in Italy and if anybody in Italy is listening to the show and they're thinking that I'm speaking out
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of turn I'm only going off of all of the information that I've consumed so what are you saying I mean you say this the
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community what I've been told okay from everything that I've read and found and watched is that there's there's two
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things going on here um that that during the times of these crimes uh that a lot
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of young people would would remain living with their parents until they went off and got married so these people
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that are in long-term relationships or or in love with somebody and they want time alone with this person it's very
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common that they would spend an evening or a couple of hours in in in a vehicle parked somewhere well this is pretty
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common in the states as well right well yeah but I but I got the vibe that it was it's happening a lot you know like
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like overwhelmingly uh compared to how it's happening here you are just you're going
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to have to finish the show I'm going to have to get my plane ticket oh now you sound like one of the
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Peeping TOS so I'm not no who said I wanted to be the one of the Peeping Toms I was going to get my own car and go out
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there have some fun rent a big car with some leg room yeah uh the thing here is Captain though what this has what this
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has inspired let's say is now you have a bunch of men that go out in the evening
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and they watch these young couples you know they kind yeah they kind of hide in the bushes hide in the woods flicky
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flicky and watch these young couples um I've even heard that you know you know as more recently that some people have
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you know brought technology into this quote unquote hobby now amongst these peeping Toms or voyers they call each
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other Indians I guess that's some kind of term that they've come up with I've seen it used in many reports regarding
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these crimes however I think it's a it's a degrading the Indian population by using that name the pilgrims never
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talked about the Indians like being peeping Toms there were no complaints of of uh being watched from a from Chief
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peeping Tom so we won't call him that we'll just call him peeping Toms we'll call him Watchers uh but regardless when
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we speak of these people you'll call them Watchers you'll know who we are talking about or losers well according
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to uh newspaper reports uh one of the Mysteries surrounding the murders that investigators thought would really help
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Point them toward the perpetrator of this crime is that the investigators wanted to know this a simple answer to a
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complicated question in my opinion okay was the killer waiting for just any couple to arrive in this area or was the
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killer waiting for this specific couple to arrive or did the killer just have happened to come across them and kill
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them I think there needs to be more questions there I think you're right I think the other question would be you
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what I think is more likely is you know was this individual was this peeping Tom and he's not at
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this point the the killer we don't know is a Peeping Tom right but was he just you know was he stalking them was he
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following them because the the idea that yeah if look if this is happening and a
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bunch of points and you got you know make out lane over here and make out look out you
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know make out Mountain over here you can just sit there all night if you'll want
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but that works I think as far as a Peeping Tom um not a professional um but I'm just saying that's what I think a
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Peeping Tom would do just let's go to the area that people are making out or fornicating and let's hang out there to
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me as far as the murder's concerned it'd be I followed these people I went to the
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Disco with them they left the Disco I followed them out here I think you bring up a good point because we see at least
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two of her friends coming forward stating that there was something that had taken place in the days leading up
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to the murder where Stefania thought something weird was going on being followed being watched or a strange
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encounter with some some weird dude um and I think you're right Captain I think that they they didn't ask enough
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questions as well and and one question I have regarding this particular crime would be why why would the killer stab
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the boy after he was dead I mean he had shot him five times by that point and then he
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goes back and stabs him another five times I I don't know why but my question Poss well possibly just ad adrenaline
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right you're exactly right could be adrenaline but I also wondered if he wanted to make sure that the the boy was
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dead that that he had some concern that he left him alive now why would he be concerned well one his mission was to go
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out obviously and kill these two young people but two was he was he worried that he could
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be identified if he left anybody alive did did they happen to know him um had they seen him before or was there
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something about him that would give himself away as far as his identity well I mean at the end of the day if you
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leave somebody there's always a possibility that they're able to identify you later mhm
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and then the other thing is the overkill with the female victim uh he degrades her and and stabs her over 90 times that
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usually indicates some type of uh personal relationship or some kind of uh previous relationship with the
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victim yeah I I see that but I also see that you know that that victim could be a symbol for something mhm greater you
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know where it's like maybe just a hatred towards women and and so you know that victim is it's not so much that he hates
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that victim it's she's the symbol for every female that he's ever hated or that has ever tormented him or didn't
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give him enough attention or maybe it's Mom issues well and to me the other thing here Captain is what what I think
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is absolutely terrifying is that rather than him being cons con ered rather than
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the killer or Killers being concerned that they might be observed by somebody else or that another couple might pull
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up in a vehicle or they could have been spotted by somebody rather than being concerned about that the killer seem to
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be more focused and concerned about actually finishing the job about he had an idea of what he wanted to go out and
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do it it's it's almost ritualistic in a way and he was going to continue and finish this job no matter what he was
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going to take his time do what he felt he had to do before leaving the area but he's also again if he is concerned about
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you know somebody coming up on Lover's Lane or something this guy has a knife and he has a gun you know so what was he
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worried about the other strange thing here captain and this wait hold on I was just going to say I don't think a
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murderer you know after he's done murdering somebody is scared that he's going to be murdered you well I meant
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spotted that he would be identified or or there would be witnesses to something well yeah and that's kind of hard to
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know just cuz we don't know the exact layout of where they're at like how open was it was there a bunch of was it a big
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field was it you know was there some trees blocking the entrance who knows one thing I also wondered about and this
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is a detail that's not widely reported but later stefania's grave was vandalized and I don't have details on
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how it was vandalized just that it was it was was vandalized now that makes you wonder and question was this a
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coincidence does this or does this further point to that the killer may have known her and had had hatreds
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toward her or coincidence because sometimes stupid people just do bad dumb things and it could be completely
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unrelated to the crime yeah or it could be something where somebody read something in the paper and they're just
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a sicko and they're like let's let's def face if we def face her grave then then
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people are going to be talking about this we'll start some rumors well the investigators continue to look for the
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killer or killers of the young couple despite the few leads that they have to go on now just under 7 years later on
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Saturday June 6 1981 this is just about 15 kilomet outside of Florence a couple who had been together for quite some
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time went out for ice cream this is 30-year-old Giovani and his girlfriend Carmela who is just 21 at the time they
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went out for you know it's it's June right so it's nice and warm out and even though it's late at night let's go out
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and get some ice cream it's about 10:00 that night after they go out uh they decide that they're going to go and park
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at a place that is Again frequented by other couples looking for privacy but also a location that is frequented by
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these peeping Toms or voyers mhm so while they are parked there they they are attacked uh investigators have
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reason to believe the man was attacked first Giovani was shot three times once in the heart once in the lung and then
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in the head Carmela was shot five times one of these shots was at Point Blank Range to the chest this was the death
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blow after she is shot the monster pulls Carmela from the vehicle and over to an
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embankment about 12 M away then he cuts her jeans all the way up to the Belt I couldn't find where a report of where
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this cut started at what location you know low on the jeans I'm guessing quite low on the jeans because you know maybe
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even the bottom of the pant leg or legs because for what was about to take place
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the jeans would have had to have been basically removed uh I'm going to say this as politely as I can without
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leaving anything to question but the killer removed the pubic area of the female victim this was done at the
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previous crime as well um again the killer opens up the purse and scatters the contents on the ground and just like
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at the first crime scene the monster stabs the male victim postmortem so there's a lot of evidence that maybe
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it's the same killer or possibly a copycat killer I mean we we're talking about the first crime happening in 74
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now this crime is taken place in 1981 there's a lot more to get into and we'll get right back to this after this quick
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for filling up the fridge and the the beer fund cheers to you the the bodies were found by a policeman out walking
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with his son uh the following day uh at this time the male victim was still in the car and uh the driver's side door
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window was shattered when investigators found Carmel she was as we said at an embankment now this was about 12 M away
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from the vehicle so the first question that comes to mind here Captain is you know would you say that the perpetrator
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appears to be relatively strong or at the very least in good physical condition 12 M away from the vehicle
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would be about 39 ft now I I don't know any of the uh you know height or weight of this woman of Carmela however I've
00:32:25
seen pictures of her she appears to be average height and weight but that still seems 39 ft seems like a considerable
00:32:32
distance to carry somebody that probably weighs 100 to 115 pounds right but he you know maybe not carry he might have
00:32:41
dragged well that that was one thing that I was curious about because um you know there were there were no drag marks
00:32:48
found on the ground or the body according to the evidence that I reviewed I yeah but again it's it's all
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about terrain I mean if if we're talking about a rocky a area then then you're going to see some of that on the body
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but if we're talking about a you know grassy the grassy null right you're not going to see you know the marks on her
00:33:09
body you know you could drag somebody through the grass and it's not going to you know mess up the body and none of
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the evidence uh pointed towards anything as as far as mud or dirt on the hands and knees or the bottom of her feet or
00:33:22
shoes uh but I guess that information is not necessary because you know the they're stating that she died from that
00:33:28
point blank gunshot to the chest and died in the car then obviously she didn't walk or crawl 39 fet away well
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right and I think as far as the detectives go yeah is is this murderer is he does he have some strength is he
00:33:43
able to pick her up put her on the shoulder carry carry her wherever he needs to right or is he dragging the
00:33:50
body or is there two uh suspects right so that that'd be the other question I'm not suggesting that this man if it is a
00:33:59
single perpetrator I'm not suggesting that he needs to be a hulking person you know a giant man I'm just simply saying
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you could you could probably if it's a soul perpetrator you could probably rule out a a 79y old man or or a very small
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man that maybe only weighs 110 PBS um the thing here though remember we discussed in the first crime well it
00:34:23
could be a very strong small man built like a fire plug uh the in the first crime the necklace was stolen from the
00:34:32
female victim in this crime Carmella's necklace was found at the scene however it had been laid across her mouth so her
00:34:41
mouth is open right and I don't know if it was I'm guessing that the necklace would have been broken you know yanked
00:34:48
off of her neck rather than someone taking the time to unclasp it uh but it was laid so it would be going across her
00:34:56
mouth or or through her teeth if you want to say that almost creating some kind of smile with the with the necklace
00:35:04
there uh both victims were stabbed in the abdomen as well so I mean there's again you know I know where I know
00:35:12
there's somebody out there right now going it's a true crime show you don't need to tell people now look I'm trying
00:35:17
to if this is too much for you try a different episode um so we have a lot of Mutilation as far as the pubic area goes
00:35:26
but but above that and the lower abdomen there's a lot of stab wounds as well mhm
00:35:31
and and that happened on both victims yeah so so what's the motive of that that that is my question you know it
00:35:40
again it almost seems with the removal uh it almost seems like that's some kind of
00:35:46
ritualistic uh aspect to these crimes the investigators has been widely reported in this particular crime that
00:35:53
the investigators believe that the couple saw or detected the presence of the monster before they were attacked
00:36:00
they have reason or more likely they probably have evidence to believe that the couple was trying to flee when they
00:36:07
were attacked with a car trying to flee with a car or well I think okay so I have a I have somewhat of a a
00:36:18
description of the state that the bodies were found in okay the um the male victim his his pants were not all the
00:36:27
way on okay so it what what the the investigators believe is that he was compromised because he was not dressed
00:36:37
but he was trying to get dressed uh and flee uh the scene you know that maybe maybe he was trying to get dressed and
00:36:45
then trying to start the car um other than the other than him pulling up his pants um that I don't know what other
00:36:54
evidence they had to suggest this to them other than it's been reported as such I'm I'm guessing that they had more
00:37:01
evidence to point towards this maybe they found the key in the ignition maybe they you know the key was in his hand
00:37:07
you know there's there's anything there's these little bits and fragments and pieces that we will we may never
00:37:13
know but it's always been reported that they believe that the they had detected or heard or seen somebody approaching
00:37:20
the car well that would make me wonder okay a couple things when somebody's going to go park with their sign ific
00:37:27
other normally like I said you you park in an area and there's some kind of um you know blockade at the entrance you
00:37:35
know like maybe some trees or something so but you're going to park far enough away from the entrance that when you see
00:37:42
you know headlights MH then it kind of gives you a warning okay got to put my Jimmy away
00:37:49
right so what I'm wondering about this this attack is did they Park far enough away away and did they have some
00:37:58
headlights come in and then they go okay we got to get decent you know we don't know if this is a cop or
00:38:06
not that that to me seems more likely than a you know this individual just rolling up on them and Shining a
00:38:14
flashlight right you know because if he was trying you know what sense would it make if he was parked somewhere else or
00:38:22
just got there by foot and started approaching the vehicle with the light flashing towards them mhm
00:38:29
you know unless he wanted to create more fear maybe he wanted to see that fear but so then I'm now I'm wondering do we
00:38:37
have other uh vehicle you know tire tread or what well we we don't have any of that we don't have any evidence of
00:38:45
that here and but you bring up a good question because with the first murder scene the brawl of the female victim in
00:38:52
the purse are found 200 M away from the vehicle so that would suggest that this individual is walking that that was my
00:39:00
first initial thought and then I recalled some some information that we gathered from uh Theodore Bundy who when
00:39:07
he talked about his crimes and calm Ted when when Ted would leave the the crime scene the murder scene where he was
00:39:14
dumping a body and he would take a lot of the females um identification and any of their personal items with him and he
00:39:24
said you know they they thought he was some kind of Mastermind of going undetected how did you go so undetected
00:39:31
for so many years what did you do with their stuff did you burn it did you bury it he goes no I just simply drove away
00:39:39
from the crime scene from the murder scene and I would randomly toss an item out the car window as I was driving once
00:39:46
I got far enough away I just randomly toss these things out they have a way of Disappearing now he had the benefit
00:39:54
Bundy had the benefit of the bodies not being found for a considerable amount of
00:39:58
time here we see two crime scenes where the bodies are found the very next day almost as if somebody takes little to no
00:40:05
precaution does not mind them being found and again we talk about the mutilation to the female victim it's
00:40:12
almost that somebody not only does he have this ritual but he also has uh a need to to shock and disturb whoever's
00:40:22
going to find or see these bodies because he leaves the victim the f victim outside of the vehicle yeah yeah
00:40:30
or was she outside of the vehicle when she he approached them were they both outside of the vehicle well they can
00:40:36
determine that she was killed inside the car based off of blood splatter is that blood and bullets and
00:40:44
all that that that type of evidence they can determine that she was killed inside
00:40:48
the vehicle and then removed in same same scenario in the first crime in the in the first and and what we have here
00:40:55
the key piece of evidence to really connect these you know is this a copycat or the same person is the the the Shelf
00:41:02
casings are very similar and and both of these murders yeah and we couldn't tell
00:41:07
you the story of the monster of Florence without discussing a a fine gentleman uh
00:41:12
and Captain I like this guy a lot this is Mario spy uh Mario worked for one of the area's more prominent newspaper
00:41:19
Publications he spent he was sent to this crime scene the day after the murder when the IES were found uh to
00:41:28
cover the story okay and here is a brief version of Mario's account of what he saw when he arrived on the scene that
00:41:35
day he says the boy seemed to be sleeping in the driver's seat his head leaning on the window only a little
00:41:43
black mark on his Temple and the car window Shattered by a bullet indicating that it was a crime scene the girl's
00:41:52
body lay some feet behind the car at the foot of a little embankment amid scattered wild flowers she had also been
00:42:00
shot and was on her back naked except for a gold chain which had fallen between her lips now according to Mario
00:42:10
everything at the scene was unnaturally composed um immobile there were no signs
00:42:17
of struggle or confusion and I found this I found this to be very interesting because you know when we spoke with
00:42:25
prosec Juan Martinez who who prosecuted jod Aras back in uh that was episode 23 of of True Crime garage available in the
00:42:34
iTunes Store Shameless plug there um but when we spoke with Juan Martinez remember he said that in his
00:42:41
jurisdiction what they do as prosecutors is when there's a murder scene or they they whoever the prosecutor that gets
00:42:48
that case is sent to the crime scene relatively quickly after the discovery of of the victim and he said that one
00:42:57
thing you know so this guy's been to dozens and dozens of murder scenes as well as Mario spey who's covering these
00:43:04
murders and crimes in Italy and both of them have the same thing they're saying that when we show up to these murder
00:43:10
scenes one thing that is obvious to us is an obvious sign of a violent struggle you know that there's usually blood
00:43:17
smears there's Furniture that's knocked over there's things that are broken there's things scattered on the floor uh
00:43:24
it's an obvious sign of a strugle where is saying the thing that was different for him about this crime and he knew
00:43:31
immediately that this was going to be different from anything that he's ever investigated before or reported on
00:43:37
before was that when he arrives at this crime scene it's it's composed it there is no sign of violent struggle this is
00:43:45
simply somebody came upon these people and attacked them and killed them very quickly and precisely well I I can't
00:43:55
remember every detail cuz it seemed so long ago but uh you know the first case we ever covered in the garage and I I do
00:44:02
remember sweating a lot I do remember sweating a lot I also remember that's when you you didn't
00:44:09
understand the idea that you had to talk into the mic so you just kind of walk around the garage mhm I wanted it to be
00:44:15
a walking show you've confined me to a chair yeah you need to well people need to be able to hear you
00:44:23
um so but in that case we covered the Phantom killer and there was there's several attacks which is that's kind of
00:44:31
what we got going on here but there some of those attacks there was a struggle and some there weren't right so so right
00:44:39
now we have two two attacks no sinist struggle pretty much on either one uh to me that's why I don't I don't put any
00:44:48
weight into the investigator saying that they saw the attacker there therefore they're trying
00:44:56
to get away right like I I don't put a lot of weight in there because to me we we also have a shattered driver side
00:45:03
window mhm so to me this guy is stalking from a distance right approaching them and you
00:45:13
know depending on how how bright it is outside or how much his eyes are able to adapt to the darkness uh maybe there is
00:45:21
a light on in the car who knows right um or maybe the car is still running then I think this individual is
00:45:30
just stalking from a distance coming up and that first shot is through that window and hitting the male and this
00:45:39
attack and I think you're right here Captain I think he the killer got the jump on them let's say because yeah
00:45:46
because all of these shots hit a Target they weren't you know immediate death shots but they all hit a Target so
00:45:55
either this guy's a super you know super Marksman or he's very close to the vehicle very close to these victims when
00:46:03
he's shooting at them yeah and well we have evidence that some of the the some of the wounds are you know um what's it
00:46:12
called uh Point Blank Range correct right so so yeah I would assume that you have
00:46:18
some of those and so maybe these other and now this is 80 881 so maybe the forensics isn't up to par with what we
00:46:27
have now so they might not be able to tell you how exactly far away he was but I'm I'm guessing this guy wasn't any
00:46:34
more than 5T away right and possibly right up on the window right even and you pointed out some obvious signs of of
00:46:42
uh links you know of of similarities into the previous crime a couple of other things that we haven't mentioned
00:46:48
yet though you know the first crime takes place in the month of uh September this one in the month of June so both
00:46:55
warmer months um it they also take place on a Saturday night as well as uh moonless nights uh so these would be
00:47:04
nights that would be particularly dark out uh both on a both on a week what it means there um and in the warmer months
00:47:12
now Mario spezi uh as I said is a seasoned and might I add a very talented investigative journalist uh he is
00:47:20
covering the case and his article covering the crime well it became a new paper sensation uh and eventually he
00:47:28
revealed that a serial killer was stalking the countryside of Florence the newspaper pointed to something that the
00:47:35
police had overlooked this killing this double homicide was similar to the double homicide that had taken place in
00:47:43
the Hills North of Florence back in 1974 that's the first crime we discussed right the um the this prompted the
00:47:51
police to compare the shells the bullet casings recovered from from both crime scenes they discovered that the bullets
00:47:58
had been fired in fact by the same gun yes it was a 22 caliber Beretta firing Winchester H series with a copper jacket
00:48:08
which according to the ballistics experts not only came from the same gun but very likely came from the same box
00:48:15
of 50 bullets mhm uh so the the gun this gun had a defect uh it had a defective firing pin that left an
00:48:26
unmistakable mark on the rim of each shell so now you know they know that this is a one-of aind marking so there's
00:48:35
no question this is the same gun so now they have a huge breakthrough but of course a scary one and spy appears to be
00:48:43
right in his assessment that Florence is dealing with a serial killer well and what I think is so scary is the time
00:48:50
that has elapsed I mean 74 to 81 that's a long period and what other crimes might have happened during that that we
00:48:57
that we're not aware of mhm the police report also noted that the killer had used a particular knife with a special
00:49:05
notch in it and spy uh throughout his time covering the case would come to the conclusion that this was probably what
00:49:13
he calls a scuba knife Scuba Steve yeah I I don't know really what that means scuba knife I mean I'm guessing they has
00:49:21
some ridges on one side correct well following spy's uh breakthrough in the case and the excitement of the readers
00:49:29
of the newspaper uh was through the roof they wanted to learn more about the crimes more about the monster and more
00:49:36
about any possible leads in the case uh spy wrote many many articles about the crimes and Poss and possible suspects
00:49:44
during some periods he was releasing an article a day about the case once spy wrote about one suspect uh who was a
00:49:53
priest who frequented prostitutes for the thrill of shaving their pubic hair what yeah he also wrote about a psychic
00:50:01
no no what yeah so there was a priest that liked to visit prostitutes to shave them to shave their pubic hair that was
00:50:10
his his fetish and spy thought that it was worth uh telling the community about because he thought it was a strange
00:50:17
enough fetish that it might carry over to something that the monster was doing he also wrote about let me pay you to
00:50:23
shave you now no thank you he also wrote about a psychic who spent a night in the
00:50:30
cemetery where one of the victims were buried uh the psychic claimed to be sending and receiving messages from the
00:50:38
dead and Captain you know how much know via email or was it is that USPS stamps.com
00:50:46
walkie-talkie uh you Captain you know how much some of the listeners love it when I or or better we bring up psychics
00:50:54
right so I couldn't when I came across this portion of the story I couldn't help myself and had to in cuz you're
00:50:59
that's what you're that's your weekend job yeah next a psychic on the side yeah if I mean call the show I'll do a
00:51:07
reading the public was now reading about the crimes almost daily And discussing them at bars around water coolers and in
00:51:15
many social settings and they love sometimes they talk about this in garages I heard yeah they and they loved
00:51:21
to indulge in the wild speculation they were getting a lot of wild speculation from sp's articles and I think that
00:51:27
might be why they were so popular now later that year Mario spezi was actually the one who named the killer the monster
00:51:35
of Florence yeah which is such an interesting name because when you think Florence you think love and romance and
00:51:41
all the stuff and then to toss in you know such a bad word you know well he had covered other like European uh
00:51:48
serial killers so he was kind of he had some insight into this and um I think he
00:51:53
had uh you know kind of saw other nicknames that were given to killers and this was one that he
00:52:00
really really thought was terrified the community and I think there's no better name than what he came up with right now
00:52:08
okay so following the second set of murders remember we talked about the Peeping Toms the voyers the the Watchers
00:52:15
the the priests that are into shaving well forget forget about the priest I think that was just that was just an odd
00:52:22
story that happens to be part of this um the the police got some information and
00:52:29
with this information they went and they picked up one of these uh Watchers okay
00:52:34
uh so do you want to hear about this guy Captain yeah his name was Nick no his name was Enzo spetti old Enzo spalletti
00:52:42
belly full of spaghetti yes he was born in 1945 he was an ambulance driver and a
00:52:49
Peeping Tom um those things don't go together well it's his hobby um he he he his car was spotted in the area of the
00:52:59
crime scene of the second crime scene okay uh now that night he was out with one of his quote unquote nighttime
00:53:06
Expedition friends so like we said there's there's people that go out and do this by themselves there's people
00:53:12
that go out with their friends and do this there's like like finding Bigfoot it's a strange thing to think that
00:53:18
there's a whole community of these peeping Tom Watcher people I'm going to go find Bigfoot I'm going to go watch
00:53:24
people touch each other but the key thing here is Captain his friend when interviewed by police tells them that he
00:53:31
went home the friend went home around midnight and spetti was still in that area spetti tells his wife and some
00:53:41
customers uh that he had saw a young couple murdered that particular night uh he also mentions some of the mutilations
00:53:51
that were done before the information is released to the public this was information released in the newspapers
00:53:59
okay um so because of this this is why he's called into questioning when question about where he was that night
00:54:05
he starts off by making up stories and telling lies it's after about 6 hours of questioning that he admits to being near
00:54:13
the crime scene but he insists that he went home after his friend left at midnight now the problem that Enzo
00:54:21
spetti gets into here is that when his wife is interviewed she she does not agree with him leaving at
00:54:28
midnight because she says that he didn't come home that night until around or after 2 a.m. right spetti is arrested
00:54:36
and he's imprisoned now while he is locked up a strange a stranger calls his wife and calls his brother and both
00:54:47
state that this is not a voice that either one of them had recognized but basically his wife is told on the phone
00:54:54
from this stranger tell him to be quiet he soon will be acquitted and released from jail a little jail time will serve
00:55:03
him well the idiot what was he thinking saying he knew the victims from the newspapers when the newspapers didn't
00:55:10
release that information until the next morning so a strange phone call to get to the wife of our number one suspect
00:55:20
and Eddie spaghetti he he might have known this couple if there were known to you know park right you'd think you know
00:55:28
this guy is going out has a partner in crime um peeping Tom partner mhm what they do hold each other's hands and [ __ ]
00:55:35
while they beat off oh my God anyway no but it's like uh it's weird so maybe he did know the couple maybe he saw more
00:55:44
than he's you know leading on the investigators on what he saw but there so we got this weird call so we're let's
00:55:51
just assume this is the murderer but if this is the murderer that's calling and saying hey look he's going to be
00:55:57
acquitted soon if he just shuts up right right then we can assume what I was saying from the beginning that this this
00:56:06
person is stalking these people and not only is he stalking everybody he's stalking that whole area and that and he
00:56:12
knows he he has his he has his hand on on the pulse of the city all somebody is arrested for my crimes I will go out of
00:56:21
my way to connect with that person's wife brother friend whatever right so I mean we're talking about somebody that's
00:56:30
very dedicated to what is happening yeah yeah and and just strange in a way that
00:56:36
that his wife is getting the phone calls now of course we don't have any proof of
00:56:41
these phone calls other than his wife saying it and his brother saying it both of them would have a motive to see their
00:56:47
husband or brother not imprisoned for four heinous murders okay so the murderer calls and says he's going to be
00:56:54
acquitted soon and he's going to be released so then what happens well he Enzo spetti is still locked up in prison
00:57:02
and in October of 1981 this is October 22nd uh just 30 kilometers from Florence another young couple this is Stefano uh
00:57:13
he's 26 years old and Susanna who's 24 they went out to dinner that night and around 1 p.m. uh they say they're going
00:57:22
to go to the movies well they are found dead the next day Stefano was shot four times um two of these shots in the heart
00:57:33
and he was stabbed four times postmortem according to the investigator's reconstruction of the crime Susanna it
00:57:43
was shot five times and then like the others the other crimes she was pulled from the car and placed about 10 ft away
00:57:50
from the vehicle uh her female area is mutilated it was reported that when the two were found samanth sorry Susanna had
00:58:00
a chunk of hair in her hand now it's not clear if this chunk of hair belonged to
00:58:07
her boyfriend or if it belonged to the perpetrator of this crime for some strange reason captain
00:58:17
and this these are the things that Boggle the brain but for some strange reason this bit of evidence has been
00:58:24
lost over the years the hair yeah the the the hair that was reported to have been
00:58:29
found clenched in her hand uh and this part this next part is unlike any of the other attacks okay the
00:58:39
monster for some reason pulled the man's body out of the car this time and it is
00:58:45
believed that he did this because the body of the man was for some reason obstructing him from removing the girl's
00:58:55
body from the vehicle okay uh so Stefano's body was found laid out or let's say maybe more appropriately
00:59:03
Stefano's body was dumped or dropped by the driver's side door um the police reported that the driver's door was
00:59:12
jammed for some reason so this means that the monster carried the dead body of the man from the passenger side of
00:59:20
the vehicle pulling it out from the passenger side and took the time to carry it around the vehicle and then
00:59:26
dropping it on the driver's side of the vehicle which like you said before is different but the other two crimes but
00:59:34
it makes me wonder if this uh murderer is trying to like you know commit a perfect murder in his head and then to
00:59:42
create a perfect scene outside yeah you know what I'm saying no and you tapped into something
00:59:49
interesting there because one thing that I kept coming across when the description of this particular crime and
00:59:54
the rec construction of this crime comes up is it's often mentioned that there's
00:59:59
some kind of psychological factor in there that the the killer might be trying to separate the man from the
01:00:06
woman before he does the mutilation to the woman's body um so like you said that he might be he he's created in his
01:00:14
his mind the way he wants this thing to go down or the way that he wants it to look when it's found and he's going to
01:00:22
he's painting a picture for for people to see and I think you tapped into something very interesting there captain
01:00:28
now the of course the female victim her purse was dumped the contents was dumped
01:00:33
on the ground uh police were unable to determine if anything of the female victims was missing from the crime scene
01:00:41
they couldn't tell if she had missing jewelry or anything from her purse M um they did find some evidence you know
01:00:47
we're talking about a killer that so far has left very little evidence other than
01:00:52
the shell casings at the crime scene they found a size 11 shoe print uh near the vehicle um also not far from the
01:01:03
vehicle they found and this this is going to sound strange um they found a pyramid shaped black Basalt Stone uh is
01:01:11
found near that vehicle mhm uh uh what is one of these things that you're talking about okay so basically it's a
01:01:19
picture like a a like a rock you know that maybe somebody would try to to sculpt or shape into some kind of form
01:01:25
uh so this is a dark almost black or black um stone that someone has shaped into almost a pyramid
01:01:34
type shape okay uh I've seen pictures of this one it appears to be a little larger than two fists put together um so
01:01:43
pretty big yeah yeah and this is something that that we will come back to uh but this is this strange object is
01:01:52
found and noted as evidence in this particular crime now after this the murders take place there's another
01:02:01
strange phone call situation uh this is before the bodies were actually found someone called
01:02:09
Susanna's mother now the strange thing here is um I believe that that that Suzanne she you know she lived I know
01:02:17
she lived with her mother but the thing is I believe that they had recently moved that that they were living with
01:02:24
her her aunt uh pretty recently and once they had moved the number was not listed
01:02:31
at the time of Susanne's death um she did not her mother did not recognize the voice of the caller um she said that
01:02:40
that the caller said that they had important information about Suzanne that they needed to give to Suzanne's Mom
01:02:48
right then the call was disconnected for some reason maybe the caller hung up but
01:02:53
regardless it was disconnected and there was no further communication regarding whatever important information
01:03:00
this caller had to give to Susan's mother now keep in mind like we said at the top of this uh crime that Enzo
01:03:09
spetti is still behind bars during this whole attack and due to the attack matching that exactly of the monster not
01:03:20
exactly but well very close we have the body we have the male's body pulled from
01:03:26
the vehicle however we have the same gun used and the same ammunition used in this particular crime so Enzo spetti
01:03:35
cannot be the perpetrator of this crime and most likely cannot be the monster himself yeah possibly there's some other
01:03:43
theories about that um there was a lead in this case um There Was You know the phone call we discussed that um but
01:03:52
there was also a situ where suzan had told her mother that she believed she was being followed again we're hearing
01:04:00
the same thing time and time again captain that someone was following her in a car uh when she was out walking and
01:04:07
driving she didn't give a description of the vehicle to her mother um and she didn't say if it in fact was more than
01:04:15
one vehicle could have been possibly two vehicles but again we're seeing a vague
01:04:20
description of somebody watching or somebody being feeling though that they're being followed before they end
01:04:27
up being murdered yeah which goes to my original thought of you know possibly somebody stalking stalking their victims
01:04:34
we have so much more to get to regarding the monster of Florence and this case is
01:04:38
a huge one so we have a jamack day for you tomorrow we also want to thank all of you for joining us in the garage
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