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composite sketches the sketches that were made of our suspect in the a Mima holodeck abduction which turns to murder
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so we have an interesting situation here in this case and I've seen it from time
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to time in some other cases but I want to point out that I find this to be very rare it's very rare that this occurrence
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happens so in this case an Amy's case shortly after she is abducted there is a composite sketch that is released to the
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public via newspapers and this is kind of the best way to describe this sketch what we would later learn is that early
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on when this composite was released this is based off of two separate eyewitness
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accounts two of Amy's peers so two children I believe both of them were 11 years old that saw a man approached Amy
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and then lead her away initially what they did is they collected all that information from both of these
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eyewitnesses and they made one single composite drawing based off of that information later what happens is we
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have the FBI releases two composite sketches based on two eyewitnesses of the suspect wanted in the October 27th
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disappearance of 10 year old Amy maja Levesque we went through the brief description in yesterday's show but the
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suspect was described as thirty to thirty five years old between five foot eight and five foot ten inches tall of
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medium build with dark hair possibly curly hair with a bald spot on top in the rear like top rear of the head with
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a trace of a beard growth and possibly wearing round glasses and a tan jacket so what we need to point out here
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is that we have two young individuals giving this eyewitness account and both of them are not spot-on with each other
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right so we have one that says yes wearing glasses another that says no one that says a trace of a beard one that
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says wearing a tan jacket so that's why I think they did their due diligence here they could have just rock and
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rolled with that one composite drawing that they had from the get-go but I think that would have been irresponsible
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yeah but it's not like the Delphi murders we're drawing one and drawing two or are almost completely different
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these are pretty similar similar and likeness and and to be honest with you if that's why I think the first one is
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just kind of a mash of the the to eyewitness accounts because actually if we want to label these composite sketch
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one two and three they're all somewhat similar but to be clear these eye witnesses are not saying this is more
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than one man that they saw with Amy that day at the shopping plaza right this is
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just two different individuals giving what they believe that they saw from their vantage points on that afternoon
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so I think the key thing to do here is to really kind of hone in on the similarities between the three composite
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sketches to really hone in on the things that are all the same right because that
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to me would point out the truths to these eyewitness accounts where some of these items are speculative one thing I
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think you should really hone in it on is the age right so 30 to 35 years of age now of course age is always very hard to
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detect especially from 11-year old children that are not they're not up front and
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center looking at this guy you know they're a little bit of ways away from Amy when this happens right but I would
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guess that they would guess older if the gentleman looked older that they would guess you know I mean like when you're a
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kid you you almost think all adults are older than they are yeah yeah I agree with that that but I think the
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interesting thought there for me has always been the the one girl Maddie who reports this man that she saw talking to
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Amy she makes the assumption that it's Amy's father now Maddie does not know Amy's father she's not saying or ever
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has said that was Mark Mahalo Vic that was there that day at the shopping plaza the Amy left with she's never
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that's not the story at all what she's saying at the time is the man to me as a child didn't look at a place amy didn't
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behave strangely when he walked up to her he spoke to her and then they walked away she just made the assumption that
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it must be amy's father but I want to carry that thought and that assumption one step further where we have two
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eyewitnesses who say the man was probably between roughly between 30 to 35 years of age well keep in mind
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Amy's 10 all right I don't know Mark Mahalo Vic's age but my situation my father's like 25 years older than me so
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that would fall into that that range right - he's of the right age to make the assumption that it could be her
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father so we're not talking about had any of these kids thought that they saw like you said a much older man or a much
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younger man I don't think Matty would have ever made that assumption so I feel like there's a lot of truth and there's
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a lot of weight to that thought that this individual is very likely 30 to 35 years of age now amy was missing for
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just over 100 days before her body was found this length of time has caused much debate about when Amy was killed
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and when she was dumped there in that field now thank God that stranger to child abductions are extremely rare the
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ones that ended murder typically ended murder within just a couple of hours - about 48 hours after the abduction but
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we must keep in mind that this stranger touch abduction the case of Amy my holodeck is
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very much unlike the others that are out there almost all stranger to child abductions
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are simply put crimes of opportunity some sicko drives around looking for an opportunity looking for a small victim
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that fits whatever criteria that they are looking for probably preferably alone and then the result is either
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talking that child into their vehicle or dragging that child into their vehicle none of that happened here now citizens
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in the area of where Amy's body was found people who drove that that County Road people who walked jogged lived near
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County Road 1181 when her body was found they were adamant the Amy must have been
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dumped in that field very recently shortly before she was found their thought is that how could all these
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people travel this road or people live in this area and not have seen the body that was just simply 18 feet or so from
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the road itself right we do have sheriff's and in detectives and investigators who have said look it
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would not have been - it would not have been incredibly hard to see her body but
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if you were driving on that road you would have to be looking really in that spot at the right time to see her the
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land because the landscape is such that if you do like an overhead look of that day of the that portion of this cases
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crime scene you you wonder how the hell was she not located much earlier yeah but I think what they're trying to get
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to is the idea that that you would spot something from the road you just wouldn't know what that something was
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well Janet Seibold who found her I believe her initial reaction or her initial thought - when she spotted
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something in the field was I think she said that she thought it was just like a pile of snow like
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there was nothing discernible about it to her immediately but I I would love for Janet Siebel to go further on record
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about that day I will say this in her defense from everything I could find she's been extremely traumatized by this
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event in her life and I would love to know more in detail of what she was thinking and in every little minut
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detail of her thoughts along the way from the time of this thing caught my eye - I move closer and realized it was a
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body but you said he also said it's what 50 some miles from the mall yeah 40 8.6
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miles according to the FBI's website and I was telling you cuz I was doing some traveling this last weekend it was
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frustrating traveling because it was like you have 52 miles to go an hour and 10 minutes you know or normally if
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you're on the freeway that you know you got 60 minutes to go it's gonna take you
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an hour so it was a little bit longer than you're used to because they're backroads and I would assume you know
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that but this is an hour or so away and that really starts making you question yes the calls are coming within a
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certain area code but does that mean anything or does that just mean that this murderer lives in that area but
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works or works in that area live somewhere else did he know these back roads did he know the location on which
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she was dropped that's always been an interesting angle for me you know I said a long time ago when we first covered
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this case what was that - two and a half years ago when we spoke to James Renner
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it was like five years ago at the time I was working a job where required me to drive all over the state of Ohio so I
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got sent to Bay Village a few times for work and the job was such that I would Levi never overnighted anywhere I would
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leave from Columbus in the morning do whatever jobs they sent me out on and return to Columbus before the end of the
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day so on one of these trips to Bay Village I ended up finishing up quite early and I thought okay well I'm going
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to take a roundabout way of getting back to Columbus and my my choice of route was to go from the shopping center to
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that County Road right 11 and 81 where her body was found and so I drove that and I'm clocking the miles as I went
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through there and it took me 55 minutes to get there which is which based off of
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the speed limit is actually faster and traveled than if I would have obeyed the speed limit okay so I think that if you
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follow the speed limit it's about a little over an hour hour and six or an hour and ten something like that I
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wasn't going incredibly fast but to your point the thing that that really started
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to get to me about 35 40 minutes into the drive and I'm not I'm still miles away from the location at this point
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I kept thinking man I feel like I've this is a long trip from point A to point B and I don't have anything in my
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car that's going to make the trip feel longer I don't have a live victim or a dead victim in my in my vehicle and so I
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think you're right there on something and I think that there is a lot of truth and weight to what you've just said
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there's got to be some kind of connection or reason to be traveling in this direction now for no reason at all
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would we ever think that she went immediately from the shopping center to directly to this area where she was
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later found right because we have investigators saying that there is no evidence no evidence whatsoever to
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suggest that she was killed in that location so she was assaulted and killed elsewhere could it have been in a van or
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a vehicle that's not out of the realm of possibility personally looking at this case as long as I have I've always kind
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of believed that the Friday her being abducted on a Friday was is significant right like I said if they worked in that
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area you make the call Thursday while you're at work right because the call came in
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on Thursday well we don't know for certain when the call came in but it could have come in in Thursday Wednesday
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Tuesday Monday right let's come in during the week during work and then Friday gotten heading back to where I'm
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where I live and so I'm gonna take her on the way well and think about this I think it's probably working there is not
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out of the realm of possibility I think it might be more likely that the person was living or staying somewhere in that
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area or at least that would cause them to travel that direction you know what I mean from Bay Village so yeah it also
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makes you wonder too because there is this gap from the abduction time to where they find her and that makes me
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question and and have always questioned to this person because there was so much
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attention in that area did they fill the heat and then did they do they end up moving mm-hmm
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that could be very likely but because the problem there is you have these composite sketches out and really what
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the police were getting once they release the composite sketch they were getting all kinds of tips they were
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getting all kinds of calls the problem with those calls is they're all look-alike calls well why do you think
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that so-and-so is a good suspect well he looks like you're drawling oh well what
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else well that's it he looks like the sketch that you released and we have police on record saying
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when we get these tips we need more than just a name we need we need you know we're getting so many of them right we
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need reasons to prioritize certain tips over others we need we need a car description even though there was none
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from the eyewitnesses well just they need a color of a car we need but on top of that give us a give us a reason why
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other than he looks like the sketch one that's the same with when you look at like the Dior case right everybody that
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saw a young blond-haired boy called mhm and and it's like well that's not enough
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we need we need you know point one point two point three for us to be able to track down all these leads hmm yeah and
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the thing to back to the Friday I think that the Friday her being abducted on a Friday is significant and here's why one
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thing we need to focus in on is the abductor chose that day Amy didn't choose that day the abductor chose that
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day can you meet me at the shopping center on Friday I'll pick you up then and we can go shopping for a gift for
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your mother and I say that that is significant because we have to keep in mind when this person is trying to
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convince his victim to meet him somewhere he is designing all this this is all by his design this is all his
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modus operandi yeah you wonder if he works a half day on a Friday or if it's easier for him to take a half day
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because it it seems like a very odd time she's gonna get there about three o'clock yep she got there approximately
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two she was seen with this man around 2:45 yeah and I know the song the lyrics go working 9:00 to 5:00 well I don't
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make a living so you would just assume that this you know or do they have a job where they're able to leave for a while
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like do they make deliveries or something well I think possibly the reason for the
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Friday more so than others could be what he does not have to do or be accounted for after the time of the abduction
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right okay so if it is a sexually motivated crime which you and I both believe it to be then that would require
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his motivation requires him to not be accounted for after the abduction takes place yeah I mean he can't go back to
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work with a giant boner well that no that's not what I mean it's it's somebody was not where they were
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supposed to be right well why why could that that does not mean that they simply
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put if they're if someone is where they are not where they are supposed to be then that and that's a red flag
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immediately makes them a suspect yeah oh you had all these obligations and all this stuff that was going on in boom
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this kid is abducted and then nobody hears from you you drop off of the planet for 16 24 72 hours right and if
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you don't know how this abduction is gonna go down then if you have to work you know you don't do the abduction on a
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Thursday knowing that you have to work on the Friday knowing that if something goes wrong and you show up to work late
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you see what I'm saying because we've seen that with several cases where people that have become number one
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suspects were showing up to work late the next day or calling off the next day well and then this leads us to what ends
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up being a fourth composite sketch drawing of a possible suspect because this is an interesting tip that comes in
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there is a woman that called in and said hey I saw somebody standing by a vehicle
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around 5:56 p.m. near the spot where Amy's body was found and I saw this individual standing at the rear of their
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vehicle with that is was like a hatchback type vehicle with the hatch open and this was
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the night before her body was found so this individual is calling in a tip and this kind of goes along with some of the
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locals thoughts of well if she was in that field for this for a hundred days we would have seen her well before then
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so she couldn't have been she hadn't been placed there shortly before she was found and now this tip comes in saying
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look I saw this individual the night before yeah and who was she found by right runner mm-hmm right so you're
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gonna tell me that this I'm assuming she's an avid runner well she says she was on her daily early morning job right
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she woulda saw her and and that is the most sense well but I want to argue a few different points on this I'm
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actually not in agreeance with this with this tip one or with the thought that she was not in that field for a long
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period of time because of a couple things one she's found on February 8th okay it's pretty cold in northeastern or
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Northeastern Ohio right in January and in February in December so how daily is this daily early morning
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jog is this you know she's out jogging on a day that was particularly warm for early February so you know Janet that's
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that's again other parts that need to be talked about with Janet Siebold who ultimately found Amy Mahalo vics Parvati
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were you out jogging the day before did you jog the whole week before and so on and so forth because I get what they're
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saying and I can't agree with some of that but I can also see a situation where she's not found for this amount of
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time keep in mind we have that plant growth that would suggest that she had been in that field for a good amount of
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time now the composite that goes out of this man seen by the hatchback vehicle the night before her body is found the
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woman said that she saw eight five to thirty five-year-old white man about six-foot tall with a thin face and
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very thin complexion or very light complexion standing behind a dark blue hatchback car around 6:00 p.m. the hatch
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was open and the man had his hands on the car's back bumper so they released a completely different sketch this
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individual does not look anything like the first three composite sketches that were released but here's here's the big
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but this information does not make its way to investigators for months and months and months after Amy was found so
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I don't question what this woman believes that she saw what my first question would be is why do you believe
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that you saw this the night before her body was found when asked why she didn't come forward with this information
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sooner because I think it was like December so we have what 10 months after the bodies found before she comes
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forward mm-hmm when asked why she didn't come forward sooner she simply says I didn't know that this information was
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useful there's a chance she she may not have fully known where the body was found until a later date and then said
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aha aha daddy I got some information but again the first thing I would want to know from that witness as an
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investigator is tell me why you are certain that it was February 7th that you saw this man yeah I have a hard time
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with witnesses coming forward so far after the fact well a lot of people can't tell you what they had for dinner
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last week so now was there something significant about that day can you pull out your daily planner or your calendar
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and say oh oh I had this errand to do and I marked it on my calendar and that's the only time I've ever been on
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on route 11 81 and so it must have been February 7th when I saw that individual or was that day your birthday or
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something of significance for you to really know and remember remember that it was February 7th so I questioned not
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what she believes she saw but I questioned when she may have saw this there's a chance she could have saw this
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individual in March or January or what have you and just has the day wrong it's only significant this eyewitness account
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if in fact it was shortly before Amy's body was found the other thing I want to point out here too is sunset that time
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of year in Ohio is between 5:30 and 5:50 p.m. if she saw this individual around 6:00 p.m. out on a county road it's
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gonna be quite dark out there it's gonna be very dark out there I can't speak to
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what lights may have been on on this individuals hatchback vehicle but just pointing that out there here's where I
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think there is another possibility that the killer the Amy's killer once again gets lucky that there's this bad tip
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that comes in very late in the game of an individual that looks nothing like the individual that was spotted that day
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is another instance where the show that you and I love so much mine hunter creeps into another yet another one of
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our cases okay and the reason why that happens so often one is our love of the show to more importantly is John Douglas
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in Robert K Ressler the two individuals that the main characters are based off of and based off of their careers they
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worked and were involved in so many cases now the FBI itself was very involved in Amy's case immediately there
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have been some people that have questioned that and thought that maybe that means that there was different
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motive for her abduction I want everybody to keep in mind yes the the FBI becomes involved when crimes occur
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and cross state lines that happens that didn't happen in this case as far as we know she was likely not only abducted
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and dumped in Ohio but likely killed in Ohio as well the thought here though is that you need to keep in mind that the
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FBI becomes involved when it's clear that it is a kidnapping case okay where there is abduction involved so the FBI
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was involved in this case very quickly and even the local authorities as soon as Margaret mahalo Vick reported Amy as
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missing they hit Jump Street right they went right in and said this is an abduction this child is missing this
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child didn't run away we were they went looking for her and looking for this man
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very quickly so through the course of this with the FBI involvement working with local law enforcement they're
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trying to find this individual now this type of incident happens from time to time and I find this fascinating and
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very interesting so we have two special agents okay we have special agent john dunn and dick ren all right these two
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are working with local authorities on the Amy Mohammed case Robert K Ressler visits Ohio for some type of seminar or
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some kind of conference at the American Academy of Forensic Science Sciences and
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this was in Cincinnati so when he is in Ohio these other special agents reach out to the great and very knowledgeable
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Robert K Ressler and they say hey would you mind taking a look at this case while you're in Ohio and Ressler
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actually has ties to the city of Cleveland now when you graduate from the FBI Academy and you go on to work in the
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field this is the way John Douglas describes it I find this quite quite funny he says that when he went to go
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work in the field the first thing that the FBI asked you they said well what field office would you like to be
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stationed at and he says what you do is you tell them the one you don't want to be stationed at because they
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automatically will not put you at the one that you choose right they don't give you your top pick yeah so for
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whatever reason Ressler did work at the Cleveland field office for the FBI so he's a great guy he says of course I'll
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come up there and I will help you guys out I believe he worked with one or both of these agents on some other case
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earlier in his career before Ami's abduction so he's doing them a favor he drives up to the area now I want
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everybody to keep in mind Ressler is really only involved in this case for a very short window of time a very brief
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period of time he's out doing his work at this American Academy of Forensic Sciences and basically drives up to Bay
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Village for a weekend now while he is up there one thing that is significant occurs
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is the three of these individuals these three FBI agents they put together a profile of the abductor of Amy maja
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Levesque now I want you to keep in mind this takes place in January of 1990 so this
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is before her body is found Ressler says in his book whoever fights monsters I wanted the police to look for a man in
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his late 20s or early 30s who was introverted and a loner relatively unsuccessful in life unmarried not
00:35:42
overly educated but not stupid this would be a man with no military service but with a propensity for spending a lot
00:35:51
of time around kids his smoothness and conning Amy into the car argued for his knowing
00:35:57
something about children and the way their minds work he says I thought it likely that a person who preferred
00:36:06
children's company would not have put himself in a situation such as the military where male bonding is part of
00:36:13
the experience it might just be children of both sexes he was after but it was more likely he sought out only girls in
00:36:22
either case he would be uncomfortable with male and female adults Ressler felt strongly that Amy's abduction was his
00:36:30
first offense because there was no record of any similar abductions in the area and because the abductor had
00:36:37
exposed himself to so much danger by his phone call and by making the abduction in such a public place as the parking
00:36:46
lot where many people could see him Ressler thought that the abductor might have conned Amy into his car
00:36:53
taking her to his home under the pretext of getting money or a greeting card of some such there he would spend time with
00:37:03
her maybe play with her until she became frightened and started to resist at which point he might have been convinced
00:37:10
that he had to kill her wrestler told authorities to keep an eye out for a person who might try to inject himself
00:37:19
into the investigation isn't there some belief that she actually made the call to her mother
00:37:26
while in custody of this murderer well I think that the way that the time line works out that it has to have worked out
00:37:37
that way I think that because she was spotted at 2:45 and then that's the time when we have witnesses saying that she's
00:37:45
leaving the parking lot with this man or leaving the baskin-robbins area with this man right 2:45 well we have Jason
00:37:54
her older brother who says he arrived at home around 3:00 at approximately 3:00 p.m. and he called his mom and said look
00:38:02
Amy's not here according to Margaret Mahalo Vick Amy called after Jason called so that meaning that the call took place
00:38:10
shortly after Jason called Jason called shortly after 3:00 p.m. which of course is 15 minutes after she was last seen at
00:38:17
the Baskin Robbins that's a very troubling thing because if you really break down that time and actually the
00:38:26
shortness of time let's say at the at the end of the extreme I would say you're probably looking at a 3:15 3:20
00:38:34
call from Amy - Margaret Mahalo Vick that means the abductor one has her and - she's not very far away when that call
00:38:45
is placed yeah it also makes me think on the level that that he didn't know the family because there's so much room for
00:38:58
error there I'm gonna let her call her mother and if she does know this person let's say but you know his name is Rick
00:39:09
or Tim or whatever that what if she slips up and says I'm with Rick no and I agree with that I've always kind of
00:39:17
believed that this individual the abductor and the killer somehow knew something about Amy or something about
00:39:25
Amy's family but the - Amy and him didn't know each other by appearance or by the sound of their voices I've always
00:39:34
just kind of felt that in my I got I got some things to base that off of but it's not hardcore proof evidence
00:39:41
of such I've also wondered regarding this phone call okay so during this phone call Margaret says you know hey
00:39:50
Amy sounded rush she wasn't very talkative I almost wonder if you look a me yes she got tricked and she got
00:40:00
fooled into getting into this guy's vehicle and got tricked into meeting this guy at the shopping plaza but we
00:40:07
have to keep in mind our victim is ten years old it's not incredibly difficult to trick a child and that does not
00:40:14
really suggest her level of intelligence and in fact Amy was considered by all to
00:40:21
be very intelligent she just made a mistake what I think happened here is I think she was on to him I think she had
00:40:30
figured out relatively quickly this is not what it was made out to be I don't think I'm going shopping with this guy I
00:40:39
don't know the level that she thought at the time of that phone call of what her
00:40:45
danger level was but I think she was on to something that this is not what it's what what I was told this was going to
00:40:53
be that's not what seems to be happening here and I wonder if at some point she says to the abductor as a threat of a
00:41:02
way of trying to get herself out of his vehicle look my parents are going to be looking for me every day when I get home
00:41:10
from school I call my mom I have to call my mother almost as a threat to him of you're gonna get caught for this or you
00:41:18
know I you need to let me go to which he's just he could just be reacting to that threat and saying all right we need
00:41:27
to buy some more time maybe I let her make that call but I believe her to be under my control so much that I don't
00:41:34
believe that she is going to give a description of me or more importantly like you said if she did know the
00:41:41
individual give his name I think he felt no threat of her giving his name meaning
00:41:47
she didn't know it during that phone call yeah I agree but I also think that there is a possibility
00:41:54
that he did know her and he just felt like the communication with her was good enough and she felt comfortable enough
00:42:02
and they had this ruse of hey call your mom to let her know you're okay cuz I care about you but make sure you
00:42:10
don't tell her you're with me because we're gonna work surprise in her mm-hmm whether with a gift that that she'll
00:42:16
still be playing along and still think that whatever still think that that shopping trip is going to happen yeah I
00:42:23
mean this but there's also the possibility that he has her under 100% control meaning he could have a gun on
00:42:31
her or the threat level is such no but there's no way you know that the mother I think would sense that and maybe I'm
00:42:39
wrong because you was it did say no no you're not but she did say she thought the call was strange that she said they
00:42:47
was short it was short and that she thought that Amy's mannerisms were were odd okay so that that would lead more to
00:42:55
the idea that well let me let me throw this idea at you okay well are too hard well well the crispy kernel is just in
00:43:04
the garage throwing things at the wall to see what sticks let me throw this at you you don't even have to have a gun on
00:43:11
the child let's play out this scenario what if she's detected that something is not right with the situation I've got to
00:43:20
call my mom now think about this presentation what if this offender then goes on a different angle and portrays
00:43:31
himself as some kind of authority figure and says look little girl you've done something that you shouldn't have done
00:43:38
you know better you're not supposed to meet strangers somewhere you know better than that
00:43:44
I'm I'm starting to think that you learned your lesson if you don't you know let's go ahead and make this call
00:43:50
to your mom you don't have to tell her what's going on because you don't want to get in trouble I think you've learned
00:43:56
your lesson let's go ahead and call your mom you tell her that you're fine and I'm gonna take you back to your bike at
00:44:02
the school that's a whole different mind play right there I don't know that he would have
00:44:08
been able to come up with that on the fly but we're also talking about an individual that has spent some time and
00:44:14
probably consider considerate amount of time focusing in on how to trick these young girls and calling different ones
00:44:24
in trying to basically procure themselves a victim of some sort so I I've always really kind of felt that
00:44:34
it's very likely somebody that is a stranger to a me or that doesn't mean that it's he's a stranger completely to
00:44:43
her family I feel that there is a way that this guy knew that he was attracted to Amy I don't think he was just cold
00:44:52
calling numbers and hoping that some girl answers the phone I a hundred percent agree with that yeah I think
00:44:59
that he already knew somehow that he was attracted to Amy and she was somewhat targeted I think the other girls that
00:45:07
receive phone calls were probably targeted as well so I the interesting thing ever worried differ because I
00:45:13
think the amount of calls that were connected were very small right no no we don't differ there all right I feel 100%
00:45:22
the same as you I don't think that for anybody that has said that there were 10 or 20 or 15 or 25 calls whatever number
00:45:31
you want to throw out there there may have been that amount of people that came forward to authorities and said I
00:45:37
received some strange call from some creep I believe that that may be that number of people came forward I just
00:45:43
think that there's probably only one or two calls like the police believe that are in fact believed to be connected to
00:45:50
Amy's situation yeah so I've always felt and I do know that that others feel this
00:45:57
way so this is not like a mind-blowing experience that we're all having here today but I've always felt that if you
00:46:04
could figure out how this individual knew Amy or knew of Amy and had some of her information but she did not know him
00:46:13
that's your connection that's your way of finding this guy because unfortunately
00:46:18
we sit here and this year on October 27th of this year we're going to hit the 30 year anniversary of the day that Amy
00:46:32
mahalo Vic was abducted and I also probably believe that he took her on a Friday I think she she was killed by the
00:46:41
end of the weekend and very likely dumped in that field sometime late Sunday night or early Monday morning I
00:46:49
think that the Friday is significant to him to him not to the victim but to him and he chose that Friday for a reason
00:46:59
for a reason that he didn't have to be accounted for for a good amount of time afterwards and I'm kind of putting that
00:47:05
as a kind of cutoff for this individual on when he decides that he's got to get rid of this problem that he has burdened
00:47:16
himself with so I've always really felt that if you could find the connection on
00:47:23
how he would have had her information or known something about her you could finally trace him because as I as I was
00:47:31
I started down the road and I I started down the road and I sidetracked myself and you swallowed a bug yeah what do i
00:47:39
do what do I do the thing is 30 years later the composite sketches have not worked we've had a lot of tips of people
00:47:48
calling in and saying okay I know somebody that looks like this guy or I know some weirdo that looks like this
00:47:53
guy the items that were not found with her the day that she was found in the field have not solved this crime the
00:48:02
blanket the curtain here we are three years later have not solved this crime if somebody somewhere can figure out how
00:48:10
this individual knew her but she did not know him that might be the first big lead we could get in in many many years
00:48:20
the sad thing about our production our little garage production here today captain is there is so much to cover
00:48:28
with Amy's case yeah like like has y'all on that too huh we didn't get to any suspect well we got
00:48:36
this could have been like a four part or six part er well first of all I want to
00:48:41
tell people we did it well you did an interview it's it's our but one of our best episodes I'm not actually on the
00:48:48
episode but you did it interview in a discussion with James Renner on the Amy Malevich case that was done
00:48:56
in March 22nd of 2016 that's episode 22 you can find that on the stitcher app for free just download the stitcher app
00:49:05
and then on the left hand side you can scroll down the the year so you want to go to 2016 and he'll talk about his
00:49:12
suspects but I mean if he names I'm going off a memory here but he names what three potentials I think you at
00:49:19
told him to give his top three which were not his top three and and the book he wrote about Amy right and so there
00:49:27
like I said there's another two episodes of going through the suspects and and we
00:49:32
will get to that at some point I mean we're not gonna be able because we're at crime Con we're not gonna be able to get
00:49:36
to that next week but maybe in the next month or so we can revisit well in in that episode Renner says that Dean
00:49:43
Runkle is one of those three suspects when I ask him for three and anybody that's seen the Lake Erie murders
00:49:50
documentary knows that that Dean Runkle lead kind of takes up a decent portion of that documentary no it Dean Runkle is
00:50:02
certainly an interesting suspect but in regards to suspects a bit of an issue I had with trying to present suspects here
00:50:14
today is early on in this investigation we have the then police chief of Bay Village say that this is before the
00:50:24
bodies even found he says we have about 20 suspects that look good that look good enough that they warranted further
00:50:32
looking into and they were in the process of looking in to those individuals when Robert K Ressler came
00:50:39
up to the Cleveland area and offered his expertise and helped put together profile that we read today he says that
00:50:47
of the suspects that the police had at that time now this is in January of 1990 he says four or five of them look good
00:50:56
they look good for our profile that we put together so 20 per the Bay Village police chief four or five from Robert K
00:51:08
Ressler now I'm a huge fan of Robert wrestlers I'm a huge fan of all of his books in this book it's a bit
00:51:16
disappointing because he does only there's only about five or six pages that are dedicated to Amy's case where I
00:51:24
find the disappointment is he really honed in on one suspect in particular named Billy screw neck yeah and later
00:51:34
Billy screw neck commits suicide so Billy's not here to this day to defend himself or to tell us that he's guilty
00:51:42
of something for all the good you do to true crime authors promoting books you sure are very opinionated about their
00:51:54
work well I'm I'm a critic of not just the writing but I'm a critic of some of the cases look we're just critical right
00:52:06
well the handling of some of the cases anything wait till your book comes out and I'm not an expert and I'm dumber
00:52:14
than most but here's here's where I'm disappointed is when when he finishes with Amy's case in his book he basically
00:52:24
throws this out there and says I believe that Billy strewn at killed Amy mahalo dick and it will never be solved because
00:52:32
he committed suicide he's dead there's never been any similar crimes in that area ever since and that's he sells it
00:52:39
like it's proof enough for him which is fine and good and again I'm a big fan of
00:52:45
wrestlers big fan of his work big fan of his books but two things that I wish would have happened and you're a real
00:52:51
kiss asked to one I don't think he should have put his stamp on that mark so my and to mind you this profile was
00:53:03
conducted in January of 1990 it was conducted before her body was found I would ask Ressler if he were sitting
00:53:11
here in the garage would you have added or adapted your profile based off of information that was learned from the
00:53:20
crime scene from the dump site and from her body and autopsy would you have amended your profile and if if he says
00:53:28
yes there's chances now that Billy Stearn act doesn't fit so well into that profile and we all know that profiles
00:53:35
don't necessarily solve crimes they simply are a tool that some used to try to kind of shrink down the suspect
00:53:44
pool so to speak so that you know who you should be spotlighting rather than others so there's a lot of homework to
00:53:50
do one listen to our episode amy Malevich episode number 22 and then watch the Lake Erie murders that's a
00:54:01
fascinating document docu-series that was two parts right mmm three three parts yeah because but don't watch the
00:54:10
first one because you're not in the first and that's why you do watch the first one it's the best of his three the
00:54:18
best part was I was watching and I watched it part one and I went well he got cut out he got cut out and well then
00:54:25
then episode two comes in and then your you know your your ugly face hits them screen I mean scared that I literally
00:54:33
[ __ ] my pants and then you were in it a lot in the second one and the third one
00:54:39
but it was put together very well and it kept my attention the whole time so not
00:54:46
only are you encouraging everyone to watch the Lake Erie murders you're encouraging them to have a clean pair of
00:54:53
drawers close by or start off with dirty drawers you know why why dirty more clean drawers well we we joke but I this
00:55:04
this has been a frustrating week for me I thought revisiting Amy's case would be
00:55:09
something that I would look for two because I am so passionate about this case but it all it did for me was
00:55:16
kind of stir up monsters and questions and anger that I've had about this case over the years for the last week this is
00:55:24
a case that we will revisit again at some point as we said we didn't get the suspects yet and there are so many to
00:55:32
talk about I almost like in this case people don't understand how that just the the sheer size of this case because
00:55:41
I liken it to like Delphi West Memphis Three even Jack the Ripper to the point where you get involved in this thing and
00:55:50
unfortunately you realize that there between you know armchair chair sluice and Webb sluice and all the people out
00:55:59
there that have looked into this case and provided some insights or theories and thoughts when you really get in here
00:56:07
you stop start figuring out there are so many suspects to explore and it's just the sheer size of this thing and it
00:56:16
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