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true-crime 37 year old Jessica Johnson was found dead in June of 2017 as we said yesterday captain basically tied to
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a mailbox post in a rural area this is in Mississippi now we started to talk about the photograph there is what you
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could call a famous online photograph regarding this case law enforcement has called this a suicide her friends and
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family say no way this has to be a murder mm-hmm you and I agree it's at least a mysterious death well look your
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your job is to serve and protect and when people of the community that are law-abiding taxpayers they say hey look
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we know the person we think this is suspicious at least investigate it yeah and yesterday we talked about what the
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photograph depicts and what can be seen in that photograph we also told you where you can find it to view it for
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yourself now looking at this photograph because this is essentially possibly the
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biggest piece of information we have left in this case without you know we do have some eyewitness statements and
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things like that but this is a big piece of this case that has remained so your first your initial reaction when you see
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this photograph what what jumps off the page to you is there anything in particular that that jumps off the page
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to you well I think the first thing that we talked about on the phone last week is that
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around her neck the shoelace that's around her neck also has hair caught in it yeah her hair is in that in the
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shoelace yeah and to me if somebody was gonna it would be like a subconscious thing where
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maybe if you're gonna put something around your neck especially a female that has to deal with a lot of hair that
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she's gonna pull that hair through the shoe lace and so to me that it's kind of points me I lean towards the idea that
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that makes it seem like somebody put that around her neck and that she didn't put it around her neck herself the first
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thing that I think jumps off the page to me immediately is the positioning of her
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body and as we stated this post this mailbox is about 38 inches high so with the positioning of her body she's almost
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squatting sitting down she's sitting on our feet right and one thing we talked about was the if
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if this was an attempted suicide or if this was a suicide one thing you have to keep in mind with the position of her
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body she could have just if she would have panicked at the last second she could have just stood up mm-hmm and it
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would have stopped it would have stopped the the shoe strings from constricting around her her neck now we did talk
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about our clothes yesterday and I'm saying that these are clothes that the family like fan we don't think should
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wear these now she did pick up her friends so I would like to know from her friend was she wearing these clothes
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when she saw her or was there a change afterwards oh yeah 515 mm-hmm and and I'll get to
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that later on I'll bring up that point again later on but again then you see this purse and you see that this charger
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is kind of out of the purse mm-hmm I had a friend my friend Morgan was looking at
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this picture and he was saying well maybe you know if it was a suicide and she's
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going well maybe these shoestrings or maybe this charger cord yeah maybe that's why it's out of the purse that's
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the other thing I don't know the length of that charger cord but if you were looking to pick an item to hang yourself
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with if that cord is long enough that's what you're going to pick over the shoe strings in my opinion and keep in mind I
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find it strange that the shoes are found very far away from her you know the police report is weird it reads weird
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about where the shoes were found it seems to indicate that they were either found up near the home or inside the
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house itself mm-hmm and this is you know at least a hundred yards away and she's
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got the shoe strings there with her the other thing that jumps off the page to me is whoa okay that's a pitch off and
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be rude but I'm gonna pull the captain I would like to know what the condition of
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her socks are or her feet because that would show us something which we can't see and right Haven again if they if she
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took off the shoes you know if it went down like the friend Jesse said where she was making threats that she was
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going to kill herself and then she threw her shoes somewhere and and decided well
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I'm going to start walking with the the shoelace we would have some evidence that of that on the bottom of her feet
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the other thing to keep in mind regarding Jesse statements and others you know other people's statements
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it's believed she was last seen if we were to believe them she was last seen around 6:00 p.m. the night before she's
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found around 11:00 a.m. the next day right the death report states that they believe she was she died sometime in the
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early morning hours so if that report is correct and we've talked about in the past of questioning the the time of
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death it's not so it's not such an exact science all the time all of the time try
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it's not black and white where would she have been four we're talking about hours
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so even if you go to the earliest point right early in the that morning the earliest point would be 12:01 a.m.
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that's still a six-hour difference right at the very earliest point yeah I think
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that to me is another red flag we we know that the time of death would have like you said there was a smaller window
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so oh we haven't seen her since six o'clock well so she was missing for how many hours before she decided to take
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her own life mm-hmm like that just seems fishy to me that's a red flag we need to investigate the
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details of that night a little bit more and see if these guys are telling the truth because I just don't believe so
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that I don't think the last time she was saw by these guys was six o'clock and I'm with the the general public who have
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viewed this photograph seemed to believe that her purse looks more like it was placed there after she you know was
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killed I would agree that it looks that way to me as well but then I have to keep in mind what we know regarding
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eyewitness statements we do know that the the second mail carrier that showed up when when the first mail carrier saw
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this panicked called a colleague the second mail carrier shows up and did go through the purse because we know that
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he gave the driver's license to the responding police officer right and which might be the reason why the the
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cord is sticking out risers those cords aren't super that there's some stiffness
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to those cords so if you just kind of pull some stuff out and you bump it could kind of be hanging up outside the
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purse by itself so that could be a reason for that well and it also could very likely be
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the reason why the purse appears to have been placed there after she was killed because if if this person
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picked up if the mailman picked up the purse to retrieve the driver's license judging by this picture he would have
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placed it back down at some point right right yeah so that that could explain the court being out that could also
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explain the positioning of the purse itself well I'm gonna say some of them I know that there is a picture the picture
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that you're gonna commonly find is Jessica's faces blurred out and that becomes a issue and I'll explain why
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because if you look at this post the main post that's going vertical so there's three post one that goes
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vertical and then that one goes horizontal that holds the mailbox hmm and so those come to a ninety degree
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angle you can see the shoelace has slipped down in between them right and it's probably stopped on a nail yeah so
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what's interesting is if you look at the way because I always thought them Oh shoelace being tied one time it's not
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like they doubled it up for strength or anything it's theirs they're too connected to make a big
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circle long a long length of rope right but so what we do know is when I first looked at it it looked like was there
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just a single strand that you know did to see tie the shoelace and to some kind of a noose or is it just a big circle
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that she took and twisted around her neck and then put the other end you know up over this post well it's been it's
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been described as basically a figure eight okay with with one loop going around the neck one loop going the
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bigger loop going around the the mailbox post right where and that you can't see
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the back side of where the other the shoelace would be coming out of the backside does that make sense
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so I think there is some things that are kind of missing here but at first it does look like somebody put her there or
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it's staged for some manner but the more I thought about it the more I think about just the mechanics of all of it
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it's very possible that she could have took her own life by this and maybe not even meaning to
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now where the argument becomes with that theory is well if you weren't meaning to
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take your own life she's in a position like you said if she started to struggle boom she all she has to do is stand up
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yeah but the argument I have here is what if this is just speculation but what if it
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was one of those things kind of like the pass-out game mm-hmm so you're not cutting off when you do
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the pass-out game you're not cutting off your airway you're you're basically cutting off the blood circulation to
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your brain mm-hmm so is it possible that she put herself in this position and then she passed out and then because of
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passing out and because of the weight that would have caused the strangulation it's possible but so here's the the big
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question that I have when I see this and I've you know I've blown this picture up
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as much as I can I've you know even got out the magnifying glass and tried to really see as close up close and
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personal as possible but from what I can see here is okay so if you look closely
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at the picture of Jessica tied to the mailbox her head is actually tilted up and the lace around her neck is clearly
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visible it doesn't seem it seems weird to me that you could possibly hang yourself at
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this angle and and furthermore it does not appear to be cutting the lace does not appear to be cutting into
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her throat or causing much constriction at all yeah but it's okay and what I mean here is there doesn't
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appear to be any kind of ligature marks or indentations from the laces which know if you blow that up which surely
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would have dug into her throat if she'd been there for hours right but if she was there from like six to whenever they
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found her but I don't think she was there that long but it's definitely causing a day into her neck right do you
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see that oh okay in the very front there it does appear to be constricting right but for
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strangulation like the pounds of pressure that you need to strangle yourself is I think under 20 pounds you
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can strangle yourself that's why I'm saying is is it possible that she passed out whether it's from cutting off
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circulation to her to her brain or or was it a pass out due to the drugs and then that caused an accidental
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strangulation right but I want to back you up to something you said just a second ago you said you don't believe
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she was there for hours is that right yeah I don't think so well if if that is the case if she wasn't there for hours
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then then this is a this is not what it seems this is not a suicide why was that
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because if if the cause of death is correct and she died in the early hours of that day and was not found until
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11:00 a.m. that could be as long as 11 hours right so what I mean by that is if Wow if you don't believe that this body
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was there in this manner for four hours then it has to be something other than a
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suicide it means that she died at some point and somebody put her here no what what I was trying to say is that we have
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people at this party or people that were hanging out saying we haven't seen her sick since 6 p.m. hmm
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and what I'm saying is I think that's probably bogus but let's say that's true then she's wandering around for however
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long but whenever if it is a suicide then she didn't decide to do this till closer to daylight if that makes any
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sense okay and so I don't see why that would determine whether or not it was a suicide or not no I'm just going off of
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the statement that you said you don't believe she was there for hours that that that was just unclear to me well
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maybe I should have said that I didn't think she was there for since 6:00 p.m. is what I'm saying well and I don't
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think anybody thinks she was there since I I think whatever happened to her and however she was placed there that was
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closer to the break of day right and again though if if but to me that doesn't determine whether it's a suicide
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or a murder or even an accidental death that somebody tried to cover up and make
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it look like a suicide hmm I mean it's it's very possible you know it's very possible that she owed
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heed on something you know I understand that they took a toxicology understand that they took a toxicology report but
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they didn't investigate this as anything other than she took her own life but if
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she od'd then again it's not what it seems right yeah I agree yeah so I mean what
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what we're working with here is a few a few troublesome ideas one that she was potentially last seen by these people at
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6:00 p.m. if the death if the death ruling was correct not so much in the suicide but the time of death was the
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early morning hours then we have at minimum a missing block of six hours yeah if not more a missing block of six
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hours and then the other thing too is you know if for those of you out there listening look at this photograph
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whew if you choose to and and the thing that I would question is do you believe she was there and in this position for
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hours and the reason why I keep going back to that is because that that is the only way that the that law enforcement
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findings are correct is that she would have had to have been here in this position for hours right again which
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like you said it creates at least a minimal of a six hour gap so if we have a six hour gap and she's found on the
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property it calls for an investigation yeah and that's not to say that she couldn't have been wandering around or
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doing who knows what that's still a possibility but it seems odd that we have a six hour window and you touched
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on something that's very interesting too because you have law enforcement with the finding of suicide the family and
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friends say no it was a murder and you bring up something that we talked about when we looked first looked into this
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case last week the potential of did she OD we know that this Hawks ecology did show high levels of drugs in her system
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could something else have happened to her and then she is later placed here in this manner and over and up well yeah I
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guess to cover it up but that also seems weird to me too because well you do some
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weird [ __ ] when you're on drugs yeah I've never been on meth but I'm guessing they do some really really strange [ __ ]
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oh I'm sure I'm sure I'm sure but but it seems to me though that if someone if someone
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Odie's accidentally Odie's in your house or on your premises right a great way of
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covering it up is not to hang her from a from the mailbox pose with a suit in front of your house mm-hmm it almost
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seems like a million other things could have been done so that you don't end up in trouble for that somehow right
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there's also a million other ways to live your life that's better than smoke and meth right yeah but so the fact that
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it makes zero sense makes a lot of sense you see I mean no like the fact that I see your point
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but I fail to the position where she's sitting doesn't make any sense the the fact that you would try to take her life
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with the shoelace doesn't make any sense the fact that the hair is between you know is you know the hair is between the
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shoelace and the neck that doesn't make any sense to me the hair doesn't bother me one bit and that doesn't make any
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sense to me and again the clothes that the that the family said that she wouldn't wear so
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that doesn't make any sense then the shoes that they said she wouldn't wear those shoes so that doesn't make any
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sense mm-hmm you know where are you going with that well I'm just saying when when all
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these things don't make any sense sometimes it's like well if somebody can say well it wouldn't make any sense to
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cover it up this way well maybe because it's a lot of it doesn't make sense then
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it makes sense so so that makes sense no I again I'm I see your point I know where's their drug addicts they're
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morons you know that there there's people that OD and then they take the the dead body and drop it off in a
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hospital this stuff happens you know or see that would make sense to me that would make sense to me dropping the body
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off at the hospital but there's also people that OD and then they go bury the body yeah that would make more sense to
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me than this none of it makes any sense to me you know like if there was if somebody owed heed you call the cops
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right right we know that that makes the most sense to me right so the fact that this doesn't make any sense
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well none of the the other stuff makes sense to me either and I'm not saying that that's what happened I'm just
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saying that that's a possibility but that also warrants an investigation right well yeah I mean it would be it
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this should have been ruled a suspicious death and therefore a suspicious death has to be investigated
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that's that's the rule there's no getting around that now what the photograph does not show is
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the arm the arm that Jessica's arm that we discussed that had these marks these bruises these scabby marks and abrasions
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on her arm right that the family saw when they were at the coroner's office I believe and they photographed this arm
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in this hand and so let's talk about these scabby marks in the in the bruises and the print there's also a print on
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Jessica's arm now no one seems to know or have an idea where these bloody marks could have come from yes as far as
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eyewitnesses go the marks don't concern me as much in the way that maybe this is
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just some kind of repercussion from doing the drugs right like he burnt yourself doing the drugs the bruising
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concerns me more and the print is very concerning to me mm-hmm yeah Linda Johnson says that she is absolutely 100%
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certain that these marks none of them were on Jessica when she left her house on Wednesday evening what about her
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friend that's the that's the person that we should be wondering because if she went to pick up her friend Kate you
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would think that should see these marks on the left hand at some point from her driving or if she wasn't driving that
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Jessica would have been in the passenger seat so the left hand would have been very visible to her and did she see any
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of these marks beforehand because it also makes me one there too like with these bruising of the wrist was she like
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you said what she bound somewhere else or the other possibility is did they carrier somewhere and there are there
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bruises on the right hand that would match the left hand and you know hey grab her arms grab her feet we'll take
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her out to the mailbox well I believe that the bruising on her wrist the there appears to be three
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bruises to me is what I see and I believe the bruises on her wrist must have happened before death and again it
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looks to me well what a proper autopsy prove that well yes a post-mortem wound or and that that's the other problem
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yeah but I think scientifically the the way bruising works it would have to happen before she died so this is a lot
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of people have question could it possibly be caused by some kind of restraints you know was she tied up was
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she or even just a strong hand around her wrists it doesn't to me it doesn't look like something she would have done
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to herself based on where it's located unless unless these bruises were left from her attempting to hit someone or
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[Music] all right we're back Cheers captain I do want to point out one more thing before we move too far
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away from the photograph itself and what we can see or questions that are raised
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by what we can or cannot see in the photograph the the strap to the purse you know we mentioned the shoe laces
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being an odd choice for for anyone we we talked about maybe the phone cord would
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be a more likely go-to for some type of strangulation be it suicide or murder but chances are that the cord wasn't
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long enough for that right but then that's where I go to the the the purse strap seems like seems like another
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option another thing to point to the shoe laces being an odd and odd choice but again we don't have the the the
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lengths of those items in front of us for comparison so back to the scabby marks the on the hand we talked about
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the bruises a little bit the scabby marks Linda Johnson says she's 100% certain that these marks were
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not on Jessica when she left the house on Wednesday you brought up the friend Katie that she picked up from work this
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would have been at 5:15 so if we are to believe Jesse's story that she was last seen at 6:00 p.m.
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that's 45 minutes before 6:00 p.m. you brought up did Katie see these my guess is no I don't have a definitive
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statement from Katie in front of me to back that up these are pretty obvious apparent scabby marks oh and I I and I
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know that's not the a great term to be calling these but yeah the this is something that if you were talking to
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someone you were in a car ride with someone you're not going to miss these marks on the back of her hand no and so
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I feel like had she in fact seen them we would have some was some statement of that yes I saw
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those when she picked me up and we don't have that I think it's it's more likely
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that we don't have a statement from her regarding this specific item then it points more towards they weren't there
00:34:52
on her person at that time yeah and if you look up meth burns there are similar type burns now not all
00:35:00
of them are gonna look like that but well yeah because that is something to get like I said to consider but again
00:35:08
those bruises are so strange because that doesn't have to go with meth with the using of meth well or you know yeah
00:35:15
and the more I look at this the bruising it doesn't look like it's a like a thumb
00:35:20
mark and then another thumb mark initially that's what it looks like but the closer I'm looking at it it looks
00:35:26
like like there's a like strap like there was a strap around the wrist hmm I mean there's like even indents on a
00:35:33
wrist where I could like draw this is where the strap would go and that's very strange mm-hmm yeah
00:35:42
regarding these these marks though according to Linda Johnson Jessica's mother the coroner chalked it up to some
00:35:50
kind of contact with a gravelly surface or possible insect that's possible but her arm also could be pushed up against
00:36:04
that post hmm and that post would have wood grain and it kind of resembles a little bit of a wood grain pattern well
00:36:12
I think you and I are talking about two different things here I'm talking about the bright red scabby marks now about
00:36:21
the indent yeah so let's go to the indent now because that's an interesting thing because there are some people that
00:36:28
have brought up that it looks to them this is a like an impression almost like tracks and I don't mean
00:36:36
injection marks or anything like that and an impression on the arm that some of pointed out looks like it could have
00:36:43
been a boot print of some kind some people say that if they look close enough they can see an outline of a boot
00:36:50
or shuh particularly on the left side of that print this could be I mean this could be from someone stepping on her
00:36:59
arm after death perhaps while tying her up or moving her mm-hmm others though see what well it could be for me it
00:37:07
could be from the goddamn police stepping on her by accident when they move her because they decided parked
00:37:13
their police cruisers right like right on top of her basically the other thing that that some people online say that
00:37:20
they they believe is that possibly so if if you were to believe it was a boot or
00:37:25
shoe print now we're talking likely murder situation or they chose to cover up this drug overdose in the weirdest
00:37:36
manner possible yeah and I look I'm with you like the likelihood like it's so weird but I'm just saying I'm not ruling
00:37:45
it out because these guys just seem very fishy to me the what the other people say that would
00:37:50
point more towards suicide is that what they believe they see the impression was
00:37:56
made by the mailbox post itself yeah as it was pressed against as her arm was pressed against the post that's what
00:38:05
makes sense to me you know what's weird about that though that's when I I look at this photo of her hand and arm and
00:38:12
then I go back to the photograph of her at the mailbox because I'm trying to look for the angle and I know that we
00:38:21
can't see that arm in that hand because that that's the one that would be behind
00:38:27
the post there so yeah it is up against her arm is up against that post and her shoulder is as well but the wood grain
00:38:36
is going straight up and it's not impossible for the wood grain to have made those marks on her arm or that
00:38:47
impression on her arm I think it's less likely because because the positioning of them and the way the angle of them on
00:38:54
that arm what I think that makes that difficult to say definitively that it's not the wood grain is it appears to me
00:39:04
so she's technically behind the mailbox right so if you were in the street delivering the mail you would have the
00:39:13
mailbox right directly in front of you the post behind the mailbox and then she's behind the post mm-hmm it appears
00:39:22
to me and this is very common especially in on country roads is the the ground will go up you know up at an angle near
00:39:32
the road once you get closer to the street especially at that mailbox and if you look at the picture closely it
00:39:39
appears to me the the front of the mailbox might be on higher ground than the back of the post or where she is or
00:39:48
her arm is yeah and so what I mean by that is I you know because if you say well her arm would be straight down to
00:39:57
her side to the left side of her and leaning up against the post and the wood grain could not have caused that
00:40:04
indentation because they're going the wrong direction what I say is her the positioning of her legs and her right
00:40:12
arm could be lower because of the ground is elevated there and that her left hand
00:40:20
and arm might be bent somewhat as they rest on the ground therefore the the wood grain itself does not need to go
00:40:29
straight up and down for it to be the wood grain yeah the other also you have you have grass right we need so and I
00:40:38
think that's probably the more likely scenario that it's not just her arm pressed into the wood grain it's it's
00:40:47
debris and grass and weeds that are smashed between her arm and the post itself right and like I don't think you
00:40:56
wish you could go any direction right and I don't think you believe that she was you know tied to this mailbox since
00:41:04
6:00 p.m. well but even if she's tied at 6:00 a.m. and they find her at 11:00 well that's five hours if I sit in the
00:41:15
grass for 15 minutes I'm gonna have some indents right so five hours what's that gonna do
00:41:22
and where's the weight our weights leaning to that arm so you're gonna have a deeper in debt that's not going to go
00:41:31
away once a transporter so that that makes sense to me right so let's get to some witnesses and
00:41:40
suspects all right so what about the people who were actually with Jessica before she died
00:41:47
we have Jesse Isaac's the homeowner and Garland's friend spoke to a local news channel on camera but his face is
00:41:58
obscured in this in this footage he does say here that there were up to six people coming up and down going to and
00:42:09
from the house both Wednesday and Thursday others say there were more and we actually know of three women who were
00:42:18
there just to see Jessica so if he says only six people came and went from the house on those you know through the
00:42:26
course of that time the time in question that means only three of those were women that were there to see him earn to
00:42:34
see Jessica so so that only leaves three other additional people that seems like
00:42:39
a small number to me almost that somebody's not being included that there were more than six people going to and
00:42:46
from that house and there are people that say that they seem to have saw a lot of traffic during those two days
00:42:55
going to and from that house well Jesse's either lying or is it stupid or he's just so high on drugs that he
00:43:03
doesn't know so it that becomes a conflict of trying to get to the truth because you don't know if he's lying or
00:43:11
if he's just high or we also don't know that if he was actually present for the entire time on Wednesday and Thursday at
00:43:20
the home right okay so the conflict that we have in the stories here is we have the homeowner Jesse whose
00:43:29
as the only six people came to and from the house on Wednesday and Thursday again the problem with that is three
00:43:40
women came to see Jessica we have Jessica we have Jessica's boyfriend Garland we
00:43:47
have the rumor of him being with two girls so you know my public school math right there puts me at seven people now
00:43:57
let's talk about Friday morning because that's when she was actually found Jessie tells WMC TV quote and he's
00:44:07
referring to Jessica just she just appeared out of nowhere it feels like because I mean you had people riding up
00:44:15
and down the street all morning he's talking about you know just pass her buys people passing by on the road not
00:44:22
to mention the night before one thing that's interesting here though to captain is at 6 p.m. in in June in
00:44:30
Mississippi it's still daylight you know and I know that neither of us believed she was there at the mailbox starting at
00:44:39
6 p.m. but that's the last time that she was seen in fact some other claiming yeah sunset wasn't until 8:00 8:03 p.m.
00:44:47
that day Jesse says Jesse seems to believe that Jessica's body may have been placed at the mailbox shortly
00:44:59
before it was found he says quote whatever happened to her it didn't happen here and then he goes on he
00:45:07
thinks there's something suspicious about Jessica's death he says quote the way she was tied to that was kind of
00:45:15
unsettling you know what I mean this is what he told W M CTV so turn over the tapes so we can see well you know the
00:45:24
the footage of the mailbox he goes on to add that kind of gave you the feeling that she didn't do it herself or she
00:45:32
didn't do it to herself mm-hmm and again that statement to me is enough of a red
00:45:40
flag to go hey we need to invest this mm-hmm you know I I understand that she was a drug user but she was also a
00:45:48
mother and she's a person and a lot of people get hooked on this stuff through through the dumbest reasons they hurt
00:45:55
their hand at work and now they're on pain pills and then the pain pills don't work anymore so then they switch to
00:46:01
heroin or meth or whatever so there's a lot of good people getting wrapped up in
00:46:06
this [ __ ] and a lot of that is the big [ __ ] pockets of pharmaceutical companies that are doing stuff that it's
00:46:12
that shouldn't be done and giving drugs to people that shouldn't be given these drugs to and but she's a mother and
00:46:20
she's somebody in your community and this is very very suspicious and they should have they should have
00:46:28
investigated this to the fullest well we also have garland Hart okay Jessica's boyfriend and I know he's got
00:46:38
to be the obvious suspect in most people's minds and he asked of course he is in mine as well
00:46:44
the interesting thing about him is is is several things but the first one is he does seem to have an alibi or at least
00:46:53
someone claiming he has an alibi there's a woman that he dated after Jessica's death okay and she says he was with me
00:47:04
the night before Jessica was found and the morning of that's a I wish we had more well I wish we had less of a vague
00:47:15
statement from her regarding his alibi because the tricky thing here is garland Hart we have the homeowner Jesse Isaacs
00:47:24
saying garland was at my house the night before we have Katie who took Jessica back to that house who says garland was
00:47:34
there the night before but there's probably another two or three witnesses that you could track down that would say
00:47:42
that garland was at that house on the property where Jessica was found the night before so that makes you think
00:47:53
well this woman might just be lying for Garlan heart but the strange thing is he
00:47:59
ends up getting assault charges because he he hit this woman he later gets assault charges
00:48:06
yeah this case this guy ISM any sub work and that's when you wonder well why didn't this woman then change her story
00:48:16
if she was lying for him right why doesn't she come out and say look I was protecting him I would lie door I had my
00:48:25
nights wrong or misremembered anything because it seems like you have more people that can put him there on that
00:48:32
property the night before then put him elsewhere well but what's interesting though is we
00:48:38
have a bunch of people that seemed to be doing really shitty drugs and how can you believe any of them again okay we
00:48:49
think her relationship was somewhat abusive and she's found hung by a mailbox I'm not gonna believe any of
00:48:57
these junkies words I need to do some more research well you know what I'm going to go on I'm with you 100% we need
00:49:07
to do some more research this should have been investigated I'm completely with you on that what I am going to go
00:49:12
with is I'm actually going to go with some of these junkies words and not all of them I'm going to pick and choose and
00:49:21
if I cherry pick some of their statements it goes further more to the fact that this should have been
00:49:29
investigated a thorough investigation and it should have been labeled a suspicious death because the homeowner
00:49:38
who has almost as many reasons to look guilty of something as the boyfriend mm-hmm he even says on camera I think
00:49:48
there's something suspicious about her death I think there's something suspicious about the way she was found
00:49:53
she wouldn't have done that to herself right he I mean you could if you were gonna make a list of suspects he would
00:50:00
be suspect number two right well he's high up on the list and and even he even he is saying this is suspicious and one
00:50:09
right but one of the things that missing and that a lot of people are missing is okay if we take this drug
00:50:15
addicts word and he goes we haven't seen them since 6 p.m. well we need to look at those phone records cuz did she call
00:50:22
somebody and did she get did somebody pick her up and did she go to another party did she go somewhere else for I
00:50:31
mean let's just say that she left at 6 p.m. like they said and and she didn't return the her body didn't return till 6
00:50:43
o'clock in the morning that that that's a 12 hour gap hmm where's she at and who's she with you know and like you
00:50:51
said the guy that owns the property which he is he would be your number one suspect or net number two if we're gonna
00:51:00
make if you're gonna make a list he's number two's number two and the number two suspect is saying that this looks
00:51:05
fishy yeah this is suspicious right this is she it doesn't look like she would have done that to herself and then let
00:51:11
me add this in here when we talk about the the witness statements Garlan heart okay when he was walking into court on
00:51:22
that domestic violence charge he gives first-hand information on camera he says I loved Jessica anybody
00:51:33
that knows me would know I could never do that to her anybody that's accused me of that when
00:51:40
they see that it had nothing to do with me as I've been cleared already I don't he hasn't been cleared because there's
00:51:49
been no murder investigation so we can't believe that statement that he's been cleared but he's clear he did say
00:51:55
everybody's cleared he did say this and this is backed up by fact he said I willingly went down there myself meaning
00:52:02
the police department because she was my best friend he goes on to say I don't expect an apology because it would anger
00:52:11
me the family the Johnson family have to have somebody to blame I understand that
00:52:16
I'll be that dude but I will never apologize for something I didn't do especially to somebody that I loved but
00:52:23
listen to this this he also added but yes I do feel like something happened to her because I
00:52:31
don't think she would have done that to herself my god man yeah so the latest list of suspects the number-two suspect
00:52:40
if you hold your hold your [ __ ] horses for a second because the number one guy that you would consider to be
00:52:46
the likely killer number one and number two both of them are saying this is suspicious pee and poop pee and poop
00:52:54
number one and number two are coming forward and saying this [ __ ] is suspicious
00:52:59
now what's what's weird though and what's fishy that goes back to you know because when I first read those comments
00:53:07
that they stated I'm like well maybe they're not guilty of anything because they're called they're they're calling
00:53:13
into question why this wasn't investigated yeah but at the same time the homeowner Jesse Isaac's giving those
00:53:21
weird ever-changing answers for why he cannot produce the surveillance footage right if he like you said if he truly
00:53:29
felt that something terrible happened to his friend or somebody that he knew that
00:53:33
he was not guilty of why does that answer change I'm not blaming him I'm not saying that he's guilty of something
00:53:40
because he doesn't have camera footage to show us what I'm saying is that he should have a definitive answer not for
00:53:47
different answers for why he can't produce that footage yeah but maybe peepee and poopoo are actually geniuses
00:53:55
right and this is what I mean by that they go criminal geniuses they go well we killed her what are we going to do
00:54:04
with her well us let's hang our up on the mailbox and make it look like a suicide why
00:54:10
would we do that we're gonna leave her on the property that doesn't make any goddamn sense
00:54:15
that's why it makes so much sense it all baffles people's mind and then when they
00:54:21
rule it a suicide we're going to be the number one suspects if it's not a suicide and we're going to be the ones
00:54:26
that come out and say we think this is kind of fishy mmm genius well in the deal I don't
00:54:33
think that's what happened though no but here's what I when I am willing to put stamp on is that this was a suspicious
00:54:41
death should have been treated as such right from the get-go which would have opened up the investigation to all you
00:54:50
know and opened up people to questions that weren't asked opened up pieces of the investigation that would fill in the
00:54:56
gaps on that timeline that might produce some kind of camera footage that could have produced any number of pieces of
00:55:04
evidence to show us what actually did occur that night what actually did happen to this poor young woman and
00:55:12
because it was not looked at that way because of what I'm going to flat-out call look I I wasn't there okay
00:55:22
obviously I wasn't there so saying you're not a suspect no no no no what I'm saying is that I can't say 110
00:55:29
percent this is exactly the way it went down what I can say is from what we can view what we can find all the articles
00:55:39
all the information statements by friends family statements by people that you might even consider a suspect what I
00:55:48
can say is that this appears to me that for no other better reason than a lack of effort on the behalf of the police
00:56:02
department this was not investigated they did not do their jobs they didn't do their jobs that day it was just total
00:56:12
laziness complete laziness that led us to not knowing what happened to this poor young woman and I will had they
00:56:24
actually treated it for what it is a suspicious death again that would have opened up investigation what that would
00:56:31
have what they would have found shortly into that investigation is that money is
00:56:36
believed to have been missing from her person and I don't know who the best suspects would be if if she were to have
00:56:46
been killed by someone but at the top of my list would be well let's figure out where that
00:56:51
money went first or why she doesn't have that money with her and let's start there you'll see where the trail leads
00:56:59
us I'm gonna do you one better yes I think followed the money but get the information on the cell phone because
00:57:06
we're gonna find out real quickly if they're telling the truth that they didn't see her after 6:00 p.m. mm-hmm
00:57:13
because if you show up just to a house and you're supposed to be hanging out with people and there's rumors that your
00:57:20
boyfriend is with some other women and she was like I'm gonna get out of here who did she call she's hanging out with
00:57:27
shady people she's doing drug deals she is she has connections who did she call and the guys that see her she was
00:57:37
hanging out with peepee and poopoo they're their bags of turds but but they might not be guilty of
00:57:43
right but they're not her that might not be murder drug users and and so did the
00:57:48
people that she contacted if she did and she left that property are they even worse did she get herself into a worse
00:57:57
situation and and this should have been investigated and sad it was it well and you you you have to wonder - is is
00:58:06
statements by Garland and Jesse pointing out that it's a they believe it to be suspicious but kind of just leaving it
00:58:14
at that is that indications that they may be who they suspect they might be afraid of right without you know without
00:58:23
throwing more because when I see this picture what what it says to me it doesn't look like a suicide it doesn't
00:58:31
look like doesn't feel that way no and it doesn't look like an accidental death that was was staged what it looks like
00:58:38
to me is this something just like the homeowner said something happened elsewhere and then later she was placed
00:58:45
there in this manner as some kind of statement or threat to others this looks and screams to me like a vlad the
00:58:53
impaler type situation and again you're right the phone would have been their first
00:58:59
angle to go with such a simple simplistic idea check the phone if you can trace her movements see who
00:59:08
she was talking to and here's another thing - if you could have really nailed that time of death if you could have
00:59:14
closed the window and shorten the length of time of the possible time of death if
00:59:20
they could prove that she died before 329 a.m. well then we got a murder here my friends because what that means at
00:59:29
the very least is that text that was sent to her son at 329 a.m. did not come from her did not come from her and that
00:59:38
means this was a murder [Music] I do want to take a second to applaud Jessica's family for keeping this in the
00:59:55
media and for trying to get people to talk about it and I know that some of the things that their daughter was into
01:00:02
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01:00:08
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