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Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 3 /// 383

March 24, 2020 / 55:59

This episode covers the case of Scott Lee Kimball, a conman who deceived the FBI and is linked to multiple disappearances and murders. Key discussions include Kimball's criminal activities, his relationships with victims Jennifer Markham, Casey McLeod, and others, and the investigation that ultimately led to his arrest.

The hosts, Nick and the Captain, discuss Kimball's background, including his time in prison and how he manipulated those around him. They highlight his fraudulent schemes, including theft and insurance fraud, and how he used his charm to gain trust.

Listeners learn about the missing persons cases connected to Kimball, particularly Jennifer Markham and Casey McLeod. The episode details how the families of the missing women worked together to bring attention to their cases and how Kimball's actions raised suspicions among law enforcement.

The investigation into Kimball's activities reveals disturbing evidence, including a search of his computer that uncovered graphic images and a potential link to the disappearances. The hosts emphasize the importance of collaboration between families and law enforcement in solving these cases.

Ultimately, the episode illustrates the complexity of Kimball's criminal behavior and the tragic outcomes for the victims involved. The hosts provide a thorough overview of the timeline and key events leading to Kimball's eventual capture.

TLDR

Scott Lee Kimball, a conman, deceived the FBI and is linked to multiple murders and disappearances, including Jennifer Markham and Casey McLeod.

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[Music] [Applause] [Music] we've all seen the movies about con men scam artists and the smooth-talking
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types someone quick to play you for the fool someone in it for the long game the
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slow play sometimes they manage to be so good that they leave the cops scratching
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their heads after the grifter skips town with everyone's money but those are the
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movies just entertainment they require a suspension of disbelief there is a real-life case that makes
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those Hollywood scam artists look like amateurs in this case the conman fools the almighty FBI time and time again
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this man turned on his friends use the feds to keep him out of prison and anyone that got too close or knew too
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much with total disregard for human life or relationships he disposed of them just how twisted was this man and what
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do we really know about his murders or motives this is true crime garage this is the case of Scott Lee killed
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[Music] [Applause] [Music] in 2005 Scott Lee Kimball received his punishment for theft and for fleeing
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this is for the time he split from the Montana prison release and stole money and a truck from the gas station
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that he was working at now he pled guilty but again he was allowed to go free on supervised release
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just how supervised was this release well that depends on whether you think fraud and murder are permissible
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activities while on supervised release things started to fall apart for Laurie and Scott the police were called to a
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domestic altercation at Scott and Laurie's house and they arrested someone for assault surprise it was Laurie
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according to Laurie Scott called the cops and reported that she threatened to kill him and threw a vacuum at him
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police even issued Scott a restraining order protecting him from his wife Laurie was arrested again in August for
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violating the restraining order she believes that Scott invented the whole thing invented the whole story to get
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rid of her so that he could bring in his new girlfriend this is Melissa Anderson
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get her out of the house and bring Melissa in as you may recall Scott had told the FBI did Jennifer Markham who is
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missing that she went to New York to kill Jason price at her boyfriends request but he then later says that
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price had strangled Jennifer Markham and Scott remember he claims to have even seen photographs of
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the body so agents they go to speak with Jason price he has a completely different story
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surprise surprise there he go not only did he not kill Jennifer Markham but he says that he actually suspects that
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Scott would be involved in the disappearance of Jennifer and Steve anise he's the boyfriend of
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Jennifer Markham that Scott knew in prison he denies that he ever involved Jennifer in any of his illegal
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activities Scott seems like and we suggested this last week captain sounds like he made up
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the entire story one to get him out of prison two it ends up getting him involved with Jennifer Markham who is
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now missing and he's pointing the finger at other people well we know Scott is a
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liar but I also think Scott has a tendency when he was in the cell with this individual he sees Jennifer Markham
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and she's very attractive and so he's smitten Maier and he wants to get to know her he wants her for
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himself well and remember he is put in charge of keeping an eye on Jennifer Markham because he told the feds that
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there's this whole murder-for-hire plot that's going on and they they need to keep an eye on her she is missing now so
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they're still trying to figure out can we trust this guy who's telling us these stories maybe
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maybe he is on the up and up and he is actually helping us here's the problem when somebody is in jail for fraudulent
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charges this this is your red flag from the beginning you might have this guy be
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an informant for you but you might have to track him very closely because him lying and scamming people is what landed
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him in - right he's he's a known liar known scammer and it's kind of like he's almost like they forgot about them got
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involved with him and now you're having a hard time believing that he could possibly be lying to you right so what's
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interesting though remember they did make him take a polygraph test to try to figure out is he on the up-and-up is he
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telling them the truth or what at least Scott believes to be the truth and he passed that polygraph that was in
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regards strictly to the disappearance of Jennifer Markham now they're questioning
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all that behavior again specially after they speak with Steve Ennis and they speak with Jason
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price so they want to give Scott another the FBI decided to make Scott take another lie-detector test when
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questioned about Jennifer Markham this time his answers showed deception right now Scott around the same time he moves
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into a rental house after the whole cattle ranch thing seemed to be a fail he paid for the rental this with checks
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the bouncing kind of course then in late 2005 Scott wrecked his Jeep and collected ten thousand seven hundred
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ninety nine dollars and sixteen cents in insurance money then two weeks later Scott reported to the Lafayette PD that
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his trailer remember the one that he stole well he reported someone stole it from him and for this he collected ten
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thousand dollars in insurance money meanwhile ridiculous Scott had his girlfriend Melissa Anderson use her name
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and her identification to purchase a Winchester rifle at Walmart and then give it to him remember because of his
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past charges in convictions he is not allowed to possess a firearm it's after he gets the gun from the new girlfriend
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that he decides oh I no longer need you and he ditches Melissa this time for good now let's get back to Jennifer
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Markham who's missing the FBI entered her name as a missing person in the National Crime Information Center
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database law enforcement agencies were under pressure from Jenner's Jennifer's family to find her Jennifer was a dancer
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who was involved with a known and convicted drug dealer but she had parents who loved her very much and
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loved her little boy despondent that she was missing and frustrated at the lack of interest from the FBI
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her father Bob Markham asked a cop buddy of his to run his daughter's name through a National
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Criminal database hoping that maybe you know maybe she was in jail somewhere or even in witness protection somewhere
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this search alerted agent laughs remember he's the one who had been working with Scott Kimball agents laugh
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contacts Bob and told him that they could not find Jennifer Markham then she's she's missing and he actually said
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that it appears that quote she just dropped off the map well it's not really clear what happened to her child either
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well the child is that I believe with the parents with her parents okay so they're raising her child
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correct okay so now we have schlaf tells Bob that a man was in possession of Jennifer's furniture remember she moved
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in temporarily very briefly with Scott Kimball now he does not mention Scott's Kimball's name when he gives her this
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information but he does give Bob a phone number of the man who has Jennifer's furniture and when he hands it over when
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he hands over the phone number captain he says Bob when you call this number ask for a guy named Joe snitch so Bob
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and his ex-wife which is Jennifer's mom Mary Willis is her name they set up a meeting with this man with Joe snitch
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aka we know to be Scott Kimball yeah douche Kimball they told Scott Kimball going under the name of Joe snitch tells
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Bob and Mary that Jennifer was murdered and he knew who did it and even where her body could be located and how it
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happened yeah he offered to take them to her body but he says this is somewhere far away and Joe snitch gave them a very
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bad feeling when they met so immediately the two declined they didn't want to spend any more time with this guy that's
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not gloss over this too much they're at a part they meet at a park right and when they meet at that park he lets
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them know I I can show you everything I can I can tell you everything but but the reason why he can't he can't
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actually verbally say it right because he says it's classified information mm-hmm this is the disloyal was
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confusing to me at first like why would he be able to show them but not tell him
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but his his ruse is that this is classified information so I'd get in big trouble but I can show
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you so they go back to their hotel and and they're contemplating this well at least her mother is she's saying well I
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want to go up in these mountains I want I want him to show me and her ex-husband
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saying you're gonna die if you do this he's probably going to kill you uh-uh and her statement was well at least she
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would know I might can't but what would knowing matter if seconds later you're you're dead and again they don't know
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the history of sky but he's such a liar is he going to even tell him the correct
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information but what a strange thing for somebody to tell you especially somebody
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that you think is a part of law enforcement well and somebody that gave you a bad enough vibe that you didn't
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want to go up into the mountains with him or two to this place that he says is somewhere far away right so I wasn't
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going to gloss over that in fact let's get into that a little more the the weird move as you stated is Scott says
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to Mary you know mind you she's in her own hotel room let me come over to your hotel room that night and I will
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demonstrate on you how Jennifer was killed you know what play play a little role-playing and act this thing out
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right of course Mary declines but Scott shows up at Mary's hotel room anyway that night and
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she very wisely does not let him in to the room now much later this is much much later down the
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timeline but I want to point it out here so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle police actually found what would be
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looked to be like a contract that was drawn up of sorts right this is when they were going through some of Scott's
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things now the contract air quotes is dated with the date of that night that same night the Scott shows up to the
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hotel room - Mary's hotel room saying I can demonstrate for you how your daughter was killed mm-hmm this contract
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of course is intended to be between Mary and Joe Scott or Joe snitch the contract
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according to the wording allowed Scott to bind gag and possibly even have sex with Mary Mary would have been signing
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off for consent - as the contract states and quote I am willing to participate and I expect to engage in bondage and
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sexual activity and quote this recording through thee according to the daily camera now both parents came away from
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this certain that they had just looked into the eyes of their daughter's killer yeah two weeks after all of this weird
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[ __ ] Mary Willis recorded a phone conversation with Scott again referring to him as Joe you heard some of that
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call at the start of the show last week now on the call Mary demanded to know more about Jennifer but refused to play
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Joe snitches game she would not sign the sex contract or allow Scott to demonstrate how her daughter was killed
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says quote you had your chance this is what's what Scott responds with you had your chance and then he proposed that
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Mary hire an escort on whom he could demonstrate the murder in front of her saying quote I'll show you exactly what
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happened and you can just be a bystander he said now Mary said she wanted a Christian burial she tells
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Joe stitch I want a Christian burial for Jennifer right and then he responds with
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quote you're my daughter means every time she says my daughter means everything to me
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to which Joe snitch response quote you know what I saw how much she meant to you when you wouldn't let me into your
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hotel room and I want to apologize captain because I'm kind of a little jumbled here because this guy is using
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so many different names you know he's Scott Lee Kimball he's Joe Scott he's Joe snitch but just keep in mind this is
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all the same guy so yeah this is a bunch of douches on one canoe Joe snitch warned Mary that he could just disappear
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he said his handler at the FBI again agents laugh would be obligated to move him to hide him or do whatever and she
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should keep that in mind he also said that agents laugh dictated exactly what he could say and what he was not allowed
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to say about the case and saying that he can't say much and that's that's going to what you said there where he's like I
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can act it out but I can't tell you which makes it stupid even in a bizarro world it makes zero sense but no but we
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need to keep on two points here is one is one we have this contract like you said this six contract and then we also
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have them all you don't want to roleplay with me let's hire escort and on role play with her again the the sex part is
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important because I believe with some of these murders that they were sexually motivated and and we'll get into maybe
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why he confesses to some crimes and why he doesn't confess to other crimes later
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right and I mean these Mary could have been in danger just for knowing what she knew or for contacting this man that we
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know to be a dangerous man but she is uncertain of that but then another that there's certain
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ones they meet him you factor in the the psychological thought and behavior there
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that maybe once he starts acting this out at some point he can't turn back or can't stop himself and he goes all the
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way through with it right so yet somehow even after all of that captain this story just continues to get weirder so
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in October of 2005 Scott met up with Bob and Mary this time is in a parking lot he's meeting with them again this time
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he's meeting with them to hand over all of Jennifers things that he had in his possession
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Scott was accompanied by FBI agents laugh and the agent had acknowledged that they lost track of Jennifer
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despite this Bob and Mary kept at it Bob had his buddy this is very smart Bob has
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his buddy run the plate on the truck that is being driven by this Joe snitch guy it comes back of course registered
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to a Scott Kimball then Bob and Mary again very smart I applaud these people paid for a billboard to be set up
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outside of shotgun willies that's the strip club where Jennifer worked and they were contacted they I mean what
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could this hurt we're gonna put up this billboard maybe somebody reaches out to us maybe it even solves the crime who
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knows but what ultimately ends up happening which is a blessing they're contacted Bob is contacted by a
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newspaper so he ends up being interviewed not about the case but more about the Billboard and in the interview
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Bob mentions very smartly that his daughter was last seen with Scott Kimball who he says in the interview and
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this comes out in the paper seems to know a lot about her disappearance this brings us to January of 2006 captain and
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for those of you keeping score at home we have clearly pointed out this Scott was committing fraud he was stealing
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lying cheating and very suspiciously he was the last person seen with not one not two or three but for people who have
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vanished by this point a Scott is looking for I'm guessing at this point he's probably looking for a big score
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something bigger than his nickel and dime stuff right and an opportunity presented itself when a man named Cleve
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Armstrong decided to take a vacation now who is Cleve he is a successful optometrist and friend of Scott
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Kimball's Scott and his mother rented space in the same building where Cleves practice was located Cleve goes on
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vacation and Scott got to work using Cleves financials Scott moved thousands of dollars he stole all these documents
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from Cleves workspace and he moves thousands of dollars from Cleves money market account to his checking account
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to Cleves checking account then over the next three weeks he forged nearly $55,000 worth of checks to his own
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companies so basically he's having Cleves money market account move a bunch of money to his personal checking
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account and then having Cleve write checks to Scott Kimball's companies remember he had that Rocky Mountain all
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natural beef company and the Rocky Mountain Cattle Company so of course Cleve gets back from his horse he's
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probably selling horse meat and he discovers that he discovers his theft and of course he blows the whistle on
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Scott he it was a pretty obvious who was doing this whose money when you have the
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checks made out to yourself it's not a long paper trail to get to Scott can I wonder how did he get this money so as a
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result of all of this now he's in hot water again what does Scott do when he's in hot water we've seen it time and time
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again he flees this time he flees to California where he shacked up with yet another girlfriend I don't know how this
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guy managed to keep landing I don't know I don't have big beard some women really find the beard to be
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irresistible I there's no doubt in my mind that he's a smooth talker and there's no doubt he's completely full of
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[ __ ] there's no doubt in my mind that he can look at a room full of people and
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very quickly discern who are the gullible types and who are the vulnerable types in the room so this
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woman her name is Denise Pierce now back in Lafayette finally because of this whole new theft thing we have a
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competent lawman this is detective Gary Thatcher who started to look into Scott Campbell now
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he couldn't find Scott physically but what he found was a treasure trove of information according to The Daily
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Camera Thatcher found sheets of practice signatures bogus subpoenas regarding the
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assault case against Scotts ex Lauri a counterfeit lien release for the Jeep that he used to cash in on the insurance
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proceeds after wrecking the vehicle right so you see what we're pointing out here there's a very good chance that
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this insurance claim in itself is fraudulent but then would you trace it back even a little bit further it's a
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counterfeit lien release on the Jeep right it doesn't appear that Scott Kimball even owned the Jeep now this
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immediately appeared to detective Thatcher that this Scott Kimball was not your average ordinary criminal so
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Thatcher sat down with Lori and she told Thatcher about all of Scott's strange behavior and then she told him about her
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daughter Casey remember she is one of our missing people right and how Scott was the last person who saw her before
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she vanished and after some good old-fashioned snooping around Thatcher found the supposed stolen trailer hidden
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on Scott's old ranch property which he had sub leased out to someone else so this is where I tell everybody I'm
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captain only two people in the garage at a time so for reasons unknown and I'm saying that sarcastically agents laugh
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was removed from Scotts case maybe it's just me maybe it's because he was a super gullible sucker who let this con
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artist make the FBI look like a bunch of clowns Scott's informant status was revoked and
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a federal arrest warrant was issued for Scott Lee Kimball for multiple parole violations on March
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14 2006 federal agents finally caught up with Scott Kimball they located him in California using cell phone tracking to
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pin down his location when he saw them coming he took off in his Ford f-350 driving at dangerously high speeds
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flying through California's Coachella Valley this whole chase was broadcast on local
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TV and this was a lengthy car chase but finally Scott's truck ran out of gas so he is arrested and sentenced this
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time in federal court - he ends up getting 10 months in jail in six months and a halfway house for violating his
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parole now I mean how much time does he get for just running from the cops like that well the thing is regarding this
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and I'm with you I'm on your side here this is not a big punishment but what it does is it serves a bigger purpose of
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simply holding Scott in one place under watch until more cases could be built against him right but I would assume
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that it would have to be years of punishment for going on a high-speed chase like that right I mean you have I
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don't want to get all political here okay so what we have here is they're trying
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to build possible murder charges against this guy so around the same time the Colorado Bureau of Investigation they
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officially list Casey as a missing person right so all right so sorry she got that is Scott's stepdaughter well
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she she in a sense would have been because he is involved with Lori Casey lived with him and Lori for a while it's
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not until after she disappears that the two actually got married right but keep in mind Lori when her daughter goes
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missing thinks that the her daughter is out on a drug bender and disappeared and
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she also thinks that Scott's an actual FBI agent that's what he's been telling her this whole time and I'm sure on some
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level she thought you know what it would be easier to find my daughter if I'm married to an FBI agent and you and I
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well he was also given her tips yeah pull back the curtain we know that he's not an actual FBI agent and we also know
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that he's scamming everybody and in every walk of life that he comes into law and it's a like you were saying it's
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kind of a perfect storm and if you meet somebody and they say that they're a police officer you might assume that
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well here seems to be an honest individual you tell me that you're an FBI agent Oh even higher just like if
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somebody said wama a youth minister then you start assuming that they have a certain set of moral standards and moral
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character that's not always the case right and I'm sorry to keep jumping around captain but there are a lot of
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families involved in this growing case and unfortunately there's a lot of victims as we are now seeing or just
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don't hit your head but what will happen is eventually two of the fathers of the
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missing will join forces so we have remember the newspaper article that we discussed about the Billboard this is
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seen by Bob McLeod the father of missing young woman Casey the the former you know
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daughter of his girlfriend or would have been stepdaughter for Scott Kimball now
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by this time he knows that Scott is believed to be the last person to see or to be with Casey his daughter yeah and
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he also knows that Scott's phone had been turned off for a long period of time and of course this is right around
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the time that Casey vanished so the two dads together with Lori they did some snooping and Laurie mentions
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Scott's Uncle Terry he's missing too or at least he was there one day and he's no longer there so Rob and Bob went to
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the FBI's Denver office this in October of 2006 and they're really kind of trying to lay out all of their
00:35:47
suspicions for the FBI there and the FBI assigned special agent Jonathan aggressing to investigate the missing
00:35:56
persons cases surrounding Scott Kimball so we have Jennifer Casey and Terry that
00:36:03
they are aware of at this time it took the two dads putting the puzzle together for the FBI to get a clue as to what was
00:36:11
going on with their one-time informant Scott Campbell right now back to detective Gary Thatcher he's the one
00:36:20
investigating Scott on the theft of the fifty five thousand dollars from the optometrist he was shocked when he
00:36:28
learned that Scott Kimball was in fact at one time an FBI informant so then he teams up with the now special agent
00:36:37
who's in charge of looking into these missing persons cases so now here's what we got going on for those of you keeping
00:36:43
score at home we got two of the families have teamed up and they're like this dude is suspicious he's probably
00:36:50
involved in the missing persons case of our loved one and now we have a very competent a very good hard-working
00:36:58
detective investigating Scott Kimball for F charges and whatever else he might be
00:37:03
involved in and we have a competent FBI agent who's looking at Scott for actual missing-persons cases because he's
00:37:12
duping so many people and lying to everyone and he's fairly decent at covering his tracks or at least at
00:37:19
leaving the area it really truly takes some people to team up together to really piece this story together and
00:37:27
figure out what this guy might be guilty of right but now we have these detectives that are involved trying to
00:37:34
like you said pieced together all these puzzle pieces so they can get some serious charges against this individual
00:37:41
mhm we have several women that he's the last known person to be with them and now we have the FBI going well we got a
00:37:49
little bit of egg on our face because he was one of our informants mm-hmm big stinky egg big stinky egg all over
00:37:59
our face and now we're gonna work with these detectives begin to try to put together those pieces so we can charge
00:38:07
them with some serious stuff yeah and one one comment that I found to be very interesting in regards to these
00:38:14
inspectors that they would say years later they're like you know at that time as soon as we came together with all
00:38:22
this information we knew immediately that the number of missing persons surrounding this one man were just too
00:38:28
coincidental and they believed that they were probably looking at a series of murders
00:38:33
you know saying that in the light of KC McCloud Jennifer Markham's disappearance
00:38:39
and don't forget Terry Kimball uncle Terry's disappearance right they are now starting to suspect that Scott wasn't
00:38:46
just this con artist or thief he's very likely a serial killer right so the investigators started the process and
00:38:55
worked doggedly to put their case together they were assisted by two Boulder County prosecutors this is
00:39:03
Catherina booth and Amy okobu who were eager to lock up Scott and throw away the key both were convinced that Scott
00:39:12
was guilty of a lot of evil deeds now Amy told the Daily Camera a quote it couldn't be a coincidence there
00:39:20
were too many people missing that he was last known to be with the two women started looking into Scotts criminal
00:39:27
history to see where they could possibly re arrest him on old charges basically to keep him in jail while they continued
00:39:36
to build some type of murder case against him right so Boulder County issued a warrant for Scott's arrest on
00:39:43
suspicion of theft forgery and false reporting for the optometrist Cleave Armstrong's case and then in the
00:39:52
meantime Scott's suspended sentence in the 2001 Montana theft and escape case was revoked and he was ordered to serve
00:40:01
his remaining time this is nearly two years behind bars right the team bought themselves some more time basically the
00:40:10
lady prosecutors were such a thorn in Scott's side that he complained about them in recorded jailhouse conversations
00:40:19
always referring to them as the bolder [ __ ] good for them though I feel like that should be a really good softball
00:40:30
team like they've won 18 championships in a row yeah bold our [ __ ] so now they are
00:40:37
like they're very strongly looking not just at Scott Kimball as the man they're looking into everywhere
00:40:44
that he had been and now we got a look at everyone he may have come into contact with during this time well not
00:40:52
only that but you see time and time again whether it's in print or a documentary about this guy people saying
00:41:01
when you have at least four people missing that are connected to this individual and he's constantly lying
00:41:10
about everything you have to start then going back to did he live in your town and is there somebody missing that
00:41:19
possibly was connected to him well and it makes it difficult because he's lived under so many different names yeah you
00:41:26
know was he going by Jo snitch the captain or the colonel now you leave me I'm trying to have some fun this is
00:41:35
the one time this week that I get to leave my house so when they're looking into all of the places that he's been
00:41:43
and at people he's come in contact with this is when they're going to figure out
00:41:47
that he's owned some guns during this time and remember he's prohibited from owning firearms having them in his
00:41:56
possession per terms of his federal probation so prosecutors jumped at this chance to pile on more charges against
00:42:06
Scott so he was indicted in federal court in Denver on a charge of a felon in possession of a firearm and then in
00:42:16
June of 2007 do you know how many years ago for that I don't know and and I may have come across that but I started to
00:42:25
the notes got really lengthy on this guy with all the different court dates and different charges that they brought
00:42:34
against him I mean we're talking about and all the victims since this guy became an adult they're bringing charges
00:42:39
against this guy and yeah and more importantly all the victims but I would imagine that doesn't seem like it should
00:42:47
be a light charge to me it varies from state to state this was federal court though anyway it
00:42:56
this is it this is just lengthening the amount of time he is going to have to be
00:43:01
behind bars and build this case against him so now we have detective Thatcher and agent crossing the FBI agent and the
00:43:12
police detective they sit down for a six-hour interview with Scott Kimball this is at the Cascade County Detention
00:43:21
Facility the investigators ask Scott about the disappearances of Jennifer Markham of KC
00:43:29
McCloud and Terry Kimball his uncle Scott somewhat to the surprise of the two detectives offered to provide
00:43:40
information about Jennifer and his uncle if given immunity for his white-collar crimes Ascot also told them
00:43:50
that Casey was still alive Scott danced around providing actual details saying instead I can't incriminate myself any
00:44:00
further now in a later interview he said that Casey had od'd somewhere in a National Forest in Colorado and that he
00:44:09
had seen her fall into the fire while high on meth causing her death no don't buy it at all detectives continue to
00:44:21
interview everyone who had come in contact with Scott this led them to Steve Ennis Jennifer's boyfriend who was
00:44:28
still in federal prison as they talked he told them about how he had trusted Scott to take care of Jennifer on the
00:44:35
outside he denied the existence of the murder-for-hire plot and he believed that Scott was responsible for
00:44:42
Jennifer's disappearance but then Steve dropped a bomb he said he knew another guy who experienced almost the exact
00:44:53
same thing and he gave the detectives the name of Stephen Hawley now Stephen Hawley you may recall was
00:45:02
the one dating Leanne Emery somebody that we haven't talked about at all yet in this in this episode we talked about
00:45:10
her briefly last week now Stephen just like the other inmate Stephen Ennis also put his trust into
00:45:18
Scott while they were in prison together this in 2002 remember he told his girlfriend Leanne to trust Scott Scott
00:45:27
was pretending that he was going to help Stephen escape from prison and that he was going to help get his girlfriend to
00:45:35
him in Mexico once Stephen had it escaped but once Scott gets out of prison it appears that he seduced Leanne
00:45:45
because the two went on the multi-state check overdraft spree and then Leanne magically disappears
00:45:54
yeah it is questionable if he seduced her or or if he got in contact with her and just stole these remains while she's
00:46:02
very young I mean he's really could have said look I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna kill your family if you don't cooperate
00:46:08
so this is where they're like wait we we have a possible another another victim here so they contact Lee Ann's father
00:46:16
his name's Howard yeah but let's just be clear we got three possible missing women connected to Scott and then a male
00:46:25
his uncle right that's the counter so far right which his his uncle story is a little less
00:46:33
nefarious in the sense that it doesn't seem to be obvious that this guy was missing remember he came up with the
00:46:39
story of uncle in the yeah won the lottery and went to Mexico it I would guess for detectives that it's only once
00:46:48
they mention uncle Terry's name to Scott in this interview that he says oh I can
00:46:53
probably help you on that case that there there there now going wait a second there's probably something here
00:46:59
well the look when you say you won the lottery where do you win the lottery Ohio good state they look up the records
00:47:08
the state of Ohio never paid out Terry never paid out Scotts uncle so he did not win when they were able to find that
00:47:18
out pretty quickly so they know that that story is [ __ ] so when they contact this Liana Marie's father Howard
00:47:26
the first thing he says to the FBI is like I've been trying to get the FBI's attention on this for years
00:47:33
i I've told them that someone using the name Hannibal was responsible for the disappearance of my daughter so then
00:47:44
this is when we have Steven Holley he confirmed for detectives what they are now suspecting that Hannibal was yet
00:47:50
just another alias for Scott Kimball right furthermore Steve and Holly told investigators that Hannibal asked him
00:47:57
that once Holly escaped from prison to this is this is just bizarre man he says that Scott Kimball using the name of
00:48:07
Hannibal ask this other inmate once I help you escape from prison and you're out I want
00:48:14
you to torture and kill my second wife who is also the mother of Scots two boys right but when you do this I want her to
00:48:27
know that I was the one that sent you to kill her right so the evidence captain is obviously piling up against Scott
00:48:38
Kimball and pointing out that he probably killed multiple people detectives dug in and looked into every
00:48:47
aspect of his life in addition to interviews with people detectives gathered the following pieces of
00:48:53
evidence this is a starts off with a search of Scott's Toshiba laptop computer which revealed the following a
00:49:07
search of the term Jennifer Markham missing they also found pictures of various women including LeAnn Emery this picture
00:49:18
of LeAnn Emery is dated just 11 days before she disappeared they found two hundred and ninety-one
00:49:24
graphic images and their statement says depicting women clothed and unclothed being assaulted forced into violent
00:49:33
sexual activities or raped bound and gagged possibly some pictures of women posing as being dead and then some of
00:49:45
them threatened at gunpoint or knifepoint the search also discovered that Scott had visited online rape video
00:49:53
sites using the moniker beef man one nine nine six a search of Scott's former Adams County home investigators found
00:50:04
bloodstains in the living room carpet and carpet pad and floorboards mmm so they cut out all these samples and
00:50:14
they're taking collecting them and they sent them to the FBI lab for analysis well it's good thing that
00:50:21
the two fathers got together and started trying to put together the pieces of this puzzle but now we don't just have
00:50:28
hearsay or you know this guy went by Hannibal or somebody just saying you know he said she said stuff we actually
00:50:37
have enough physical evidence against Scott Kimball yeah and so they're looking at Scott's cellphone records and
00:50:44
you talked about suspicions and what what people are relating to law enforcement but we're gonna get a
00:50:50
confirmation right here because as soon as they look at his cellphone records they saw that yes in fact his phone did
00:50:57
go offline from 8:15 p.m. on August 23rd 2003 all the way through 4:38 p.m. on August 24 2003 now it's during this to
00:51:10
this 20 hour period that Casey McLeod vanished right Anna and Scott according to his statements he was alone in the
00:51:21
mountains which we know is not a great alibi right so when the phone comes back online it pinged a tower near Walden
00:51:30
Colorado in a search of some boxes of old documents and receipts of Scots law enforcement discovered a receipt from
00:51:39
North Park supers grocery store in Walden Colorado the receipt was for $17.95 showing that Scott purchased
00:51:49
pasta meat spaghetti sauce and lighter fluid okay so this is at the same time what he wanted to make his sauce a
00:52:00
little spicy this is at the same time when Casey McCloud disappeared but also was supposedly picked up for work to go
00:52:08
to work by Scott and remember we know she never shows up for work at Subway that day right in fact there's no record
00:52:15
of anyone having seen her ever again after this and again Scott claims he was hunting alone in the mountains that day
00:52:23
and walden is in the mountains sounds more like Scott was up there hunting for somewhere to dispose of
00:52:29
Casey's body and hunting for something to burn it with right and not to mention that
00:52:34
before he was telling her mother kaze his mother hey the neighbor saw her and and you know I picked her up and and all
00:52:46
these little lies and they come to find out those aren't true either mm-hmm yeah
00:52:52
and remember the strange statement from Scott where he told police in an interview that he said KC od'd on meth
00:52:59
and died in a national forest well walden is surrounded by a National Forest in a later search of the trailer
00:53:09
the supposed stolen trailer hidden by Scott investigators found KC's subway hat along with with that they found a
00:53:20
black bag containing six zip ties two rolls of electric tape and a pair of women's shoes
00:53:28
agent Gress Inge called over to the authorities and walled in and they found out that a skull and skeleton likely
00:53:37
belonging to a young female was discovered by a hunter six months earlier in a remote area southwest of
00:53:45
town after DNA testing it was confirmed that these were the remains of KC McCloud unfortunately there was no way
00:53:55
to tell the cause or manner of her death yeah but at least you have a body and we
00:54:01
know that it's harder to prosecute a murder case without a body and it's not terribly far off from where you know or
00:54:10
belief Scott was and it's not terribly far off from what his alibi was I'm alone in the mountains this is in the
00:54:17
mountains right so it's looking very bad for Scott now investigators they also spoke with an inmate who knew Scott this
00:54:26
inmate has not been named publicly but this inmate told them that Scott said he had strangled KC with a dog collar and
00:54:34
smashed her head in with a rock this because she was a witness against the leader of a powerful drug gang but again
00:54:43
KC's cause of death could not be determined from her remains and her skull of course
00:54:48
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Episode Highlights

  • Welcome to True Crime Garage
    Hosts Nick and Captain introduce the show with a light-hearted banter.
    “Thanks for listening!”
    @ 00m 43s
    March 24, 2020
  • The Case of Scott Lee Kimball
    A conman who fooled the FBI and left a trail of deception and murder.
    “This man turned on his friends... with total disregard for human life.”
    @ 03m 37s
    March 24, 2020
  • Scott's Deceptive Games
    Scott manipulates those around him, including his wife and the FBI.
    “Scott seems like... he made up the entire story.”
    @ 07m 14s
    March 24, 2020
  • A Disturbing Encounter
    Bob and Mary meet Scott, who claims to know about their daughter's murder.
    “He could just disappear.”
    @ 18m 42s
    March 24, 2020
  • The Chase
    Scott Kimball's high-speed chase through California ends with his arrest and a short sentence.
    “This whole chase was broadcast on local TV.”
    @ 31m 31s
    March 24, 2020
  • Building a Case
    Detectives and families team up to investigate Scott Kimball's connection to multiple missing persons.
    “It really takes some people to team up together to piece this story together.”
    @ 37m 23s
    March 24, 2020
  • Evidence Piles Up
    Investigators uncover evidence linking Scott Kimball to multiple disappearances, including searches of his laptop.
    “Detectives gathered the following pieces of evidence.”
    @ 48m 51s
    March 24, 2020
  • Discovery of Remains
    Investigators confirmed the remains found belonged to KC McCloud, but the cause of death was undetermined.
    “At least you have a body.”
    @ 54m 01s
    March 24, 2020
  • Scott's Alibi Falls Apart
    Scott claimed he was alone in the mountains, but evidence suggests otherwise.
    “It's looking very bad for Scott now.”
    @ 54m 20s
    March 24, 2020

Episode Quotes

  • We're all on this together.
    Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 3 /// 383
  • You had your chance.
    Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 3 /// 383
  • You're my daughter means everything to me.
    Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 3 /// 383
  • He said KC od'd on meth and died in a national forest.
    Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 3 /// 383
  • At least you have a body.
    Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 3 /// 383
  • It's looking very bad for Scott now.
    Serial Killer Scott Lee Kimball /// Part 3 /// 383

Key Moments

  • Welcome00:40
  • Beer Fund Thanks02:02
  • Scott's Manipulations03:37
  • Scott's Threat18:42
  • Families Unite36:46
  • Evidence Found49:11
  • Graphic Images Discovered49:28
  • Cellphone Records50:42

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