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[Music] [Applause] [Music] we've all seen the movies about con men scam artists and the smooth-talking
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types someone quick to play you for the fool someone in it for the long game the
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slow play sometimes they manage to be so good that they leave the cops scratching
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their heads after the grifter skips town with everyone's money but those are the
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movies just entertainment they require a suspension of disbelief there is a real-life case that makes
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those Hollywood scam artists look like amateurs in this case the conman fools the almighty FBI time and time again
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this man turned on his friends use the feds to keep him out of prison and anyone that got too close or knew too
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much with total disregard for human life or relationships he disposed of them just how twisted was this man and what
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do we really know about his murders or motives this is true crime garage this is the case of Scott Lee killed
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[Music] [Applause] [Music] in 2005 Scott Lee Kimball received his punishment for theft and for fleeing
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this is for the time he split from the Montana prison release and stole money and a truck from the gas station
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that he was working at now he pled guilty but again he was allowed to go free on supervised release
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just how supervised was this release well that depends on whether you think fraud and murder are permissible
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activities while on supervised release things started to fall apart for Laurie and Scott the police were called to a
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domestic altercation at Scott and Laurie's house and they arrested someone for assault surprise it was Laurie
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according to Laurie Scott called the cops and reported that she threatened to kill him and threw a vacuum at him
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police even issued Scott a restraining order protecting him from his wife Laurie was arrested again in August for
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violating the restraining order she believes that Scott invented the whole thing invented the whole story to get
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rid of her so that he could bring in his new girlfriend this is Melissa Anderson
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get her out of the house and bring Melissa in as you may recall Scott had told the FBI did Jennifer Markham who is
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missing that she went to New York to kill Jason price at her boyfriends request but he then later says that
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price had strangled Jennifer Markham and Scott remember he claims to have even seen photographs of
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the body so agents they go to speak with Jason price he has a completely different story
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surprise surprise there he go not only did he not kill Jennifer Markham but he says that he actually suspects that
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Scott would be involved in the disappearance of Jennifer and Steve anise he's the boyfriend of
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Jennifer Markham that Scott knew in prison he denies that he ever involved Jennifer in any of his illegal
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activities Scott seems like and we suggested this last week captain sounds like he made up
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the entire story one to get him out of prison two it ends up getting him involved with Jennifer Markham who is
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now missing and he's pointing the finger at other people well we know Scott is a
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liar but I also think Scott has a tendency when he was in the cell with this individual he sees Jennifer Markham
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and she's very attractive and so he's smitten Maier and he wants to get to know her he wants her for
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himself well and remember he is put in charge of keeping an eye on Jennifer Markham because he told the feds that
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there's this whole murder-for-hire plot that's going on and they they need to keep an eye on her she is missing now so
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they're still trying to figure out can we trust this guy who's telling us these stories maybe
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maybe he is on the up and up and he is actually helping us here's the problem when somebody is in jail for fraudulent
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charges this this is your red flag from the beginning you might have this guy be
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an informant for you but you might have to track him very closely because him lying and scamming people is what landed
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him in - right he's he's a known liar known scammer and it's kind of like he's almost like they forgot about them got
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involved with him and now you're having a hard time believing that he could possibly be lying to you right so what's
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interesting though remember they did make him take a polygraph test to try to figure out is he on the up-and-up is he
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telling them the truth or what at least Scott believes to be the truth and he passed that polygraph that was in
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regards strictly to the disappearance of Jennifer Markham now they're questioning
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all that behavior again specially after they speak with Steve Ennis and they speak with Jason
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price so they want to give Scott another the FBI decided to make Scott take another lie-detector test when
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questioned about Jennifer Markham this time his answers showed deception right now Scott around the same time he moves
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into a rental house after the whole cattle ranch thing seemed to be a fail he paid for the rental this with checks
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the bouncing kind of course then in late 2005 Scott wrecked his Jeep and collected ten thousand seven hundred
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ninety nine dollars and sixteen cents in insurance money then two weeks later Scott reported to the Lafayette PD that
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his trailer remember the one that he stole well he reported someone stole it from him and for this he collected ten
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thousand dollars in insurance money meanwhile ridiculous Scott had his girlfriend Melissa Anderson use her name
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and her identification to purchase a Winchester rifle at Walmart and then give it to him remember because of his
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past charges in convictions he is not allowed to possess a firearm it's after he gets the gun from the new girlfriend
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that he decides oh I no longer need you and he ditches Melissa this time for good now let's get back to Jennifer
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Markham who's missing the FBI entered her name as a missing person in the National Crime Information Center
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database law enforcement agencies were under pressure from Jenner's Jennifer's family to find her Jennifer was a dancer
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who was involved with a known and convicted drug dealer but she had parents who loved her very much and
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loved her little boy despondent that she was missing and frustrated at the lack of interest from the FBI
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her father Bob Markham asked a cop buddy of his to run his daughter's name through a National
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Criminal database hoping that maybe you know maybe she was in jail somewhere or even in witness protection somewhere
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this search alerted agent laughs remember he's the one who had been working with Scott Kimball agents laugh
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contacts Bob and told him that they could not find Jennifer Markham then she's she's missing and he actually said
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that it appears that quote she just dropped off the map well it's not really clear what happened to her child either
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well the child is that I believe with the parents with her parents okay so they're raising her child
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correct okay so now we have schlaf tells Bob that a man was in possession of Jennifer's furniture remember she moved
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in temporarily very briefly with Scott Kimball now he does not mention Scott's Kimball's name when he gives her this
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information but he does give Bob a phone number of the man who has Jennifer's furniture and when he hands it over when
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he hands over the phone number captain he says Bob when you call this number ask for a guy named Joe snitch so Bob
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and his ex-wife which is Jennifer's mom Mary Willis is her name they set up a meeting with this man with Joe snitch
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aka we know to be Scott Kimball yeah douche Kimball they told Scott Kimball going under the name of Joe snitch tells
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Bob and Mary that Jennifer was murdered and he knew who did it and even where her body could be located and how it
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happened yeah he offered to take them to her body but he says this is somewhere far away and Joe snitch gave them a very
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bad feeling when they met so immediately the two declined they didn't want to spend any more time with this guy that's
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not gloss over this too much they're at a part they meet at a park right and when they meet at that park he lets
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them know I I can show you everything I can I can tell you everything but but the reason why he can't he can't
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actually verbally say it right because he says it's classified information mm-hmm this is the disloyal was
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confusing to me at first like why would he be able to show them but not tell him
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but his his ruse is that this is classified information so I'd get in big trouble but I can show
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you so they go back to their hotel and and they're contemplating this well at least her mother is she's saying well I
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want to go up in these mountains I want I want him to show me and her ex-husband
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saying you're gonna die if you do this he's probably going to kill you uh-uh and her statement was well at least she
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would know I might can't but what would knowing matter if seconds later you're you're dead and again they don't know
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the history of sky but he's such a liar is he going to even tell him the correct
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information but what a strange thing for somebody to tell you especially somebody
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that you think is a part of law enforcement well and somebody that gave you a bad enough vibe that you didn't
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want to go up into the mountains with him or two to this place that he says is somewhere far away right so I wasn't
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going to gloss over that in fact let's get into that a little more the the weird move as you stated is Scott says
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to Mary you know mind you she's in her own hotel room let me come over to your hotel room that night and I will
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demonstrate on you how Jennifer was killed you know what play play a little role-playing and act this thing out
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right of course Mary declines but Scott shows up at Mary's hotel room anyway that night and
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she very wisely does not let him in to the room now much later this is much much later down the
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timeline but I want to point it out here so it doesn't get lost in the shuffle police actually found what would be
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looked to be like a contract that was drawn up of sorts right this is when they were going through some of Scott's
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things now the contract air quotes is dated with the date of that night that same night the Scott shows up to the
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hotel room - Mary's hotel room saying I can demonstrate for you how your daughter was killed mm-hmm this contract
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of course is intended to be between Mary and Joe Scott or Joe snitch the contract
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according to the wording allowed Scott to bind gag and possibly even have sex with Mary Mary would have been signing
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off for consent - as the contract states and quote I am willing to participate and I expect to engage in bondage and
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sexual activity and quote this recording through thee according to the daily camera now both parents came away from
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this certain that they had just looked into the eyes of their daughter's killer yeah two weeks after all of this weird
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[ __ ] Mary Willis recorded a phone conversation with Scott again referring to him as Joe you heard some of that
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call at the start of the show last week now on the call Mary demanded to know more about Jennifer but refused to play
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Joe snitches game she would not sign the sex contract or allow Scott to demonstrate how her daughter was killed
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says quote you had your chance this is what's what Scott responds with you had your chance and then he proposed that
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Mary hire an escort on whom he could demonstrate the murder in front of her saying quote I'll show you exactly what
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happened and you can just be a bystander he said now Mary said she wanted a Christian burial she tells
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Joe stitch I want a Christian burial for Jennifer right and then he responds with
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quote you're my daughter means every time she says my daughter means everything to me
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to which Joe snitch response quote you know what I saw how much she meant to you when you wouldn't let me into your
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hotel room and I want to apologize captain because I'm kind of a little jumbled here because this guy is using
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so many different names you know he's Scott Lee Kimball he's Joe Scott he's Joe snitch but just keep in mind this is
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all the same guy so yeah this is a bunch of douches on one canoe Joe snitch warned Mary that he could just disappear
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he said his handler at the FBI again agents laugh would be obligated to move him to hide him or do whatever and she
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should keep that in mind he also said that agents laugh dictated exactly what he could say and what he was not allowed
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to say about the case and saying that he can't say much and that's that's going to what you said there where he's like I
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can act it out but I can't tell you which makes it stupid even in a bizarro world it makes zero sense but no but we
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need to keep on two points here is one is one we have this contract like you said this six contract and then we also
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have them all you don't want to roleplay with me let's hire escort and on role play with her again the the sex part is
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important because I believe with some of these murders that they were sexually motivated and and we'll get into maybe
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why he confesses to some crimes and why he doesn't confess to other crimes later
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right and I mean these Mary could have been in danger just for knowing what she knew or for contacting this man that we
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know to be a dangerous man but she is uncertain of that but then another that there's certain
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ones they meet him you factor in the the psychological thought and behavior there
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that maybe once he starts acting this out at some point he can't turn back or can't stop himself and he goes all the
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way through with it right so yet somehow even after all of that captain this story just continues to get weirder so
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in October of 2005 Scott met up with Bob and Mary this time is in a parking lot he's meeting with them again this time
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he's meeting with them to hand over all of Jennifers things that he had in his possession
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Scott was accompanied by FBI agents laugh and the agent had acknowledged that they lost track of Jennifer
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despite this Bob and Mary kept at it Bob had his buddy this is very smart Bob has
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his buddy run the plate on the truck that is being driven by this Joe snitch guy it comes back of course registered
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to a Scott Kimball then Bob and Mary again very smart I applaud these people paid for a billboard to be set up
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outside of shotgun willies that's the strip club where Jennifer worked and they were contacted they I mean what
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could this hurt we're gonna put up this billboard maybe somebody reaches out to us maybe it even solves the crime who
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knows but what ultimately ends up happening which is a blessing they're contacted Bob is contacted by a
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newspaper so he ends up being interviewed not about the case but more about the Billboard and in the interview
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Bob mentions very smartly that his daughter was last seen with Scott Kimball who he says in the interview and
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this comes out in the paper seems to know a lot about her disappearance this brings us to January of 2006 captain and
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for those of you keeping score at home we have clearly pointed out this Scott was committing fraud he was stealing
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lying cheating and very suspiciously he was the last person seen with not one not two or three but for people who have
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vanished by this point a Scott is looking for I'm guessing at this point he's probably looking for a big score
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something bigger than his nickel and dime stuff right and an opportunity presented itself when a man named Cleve
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Armstrong decided to take a vacation now who is Cleve he is a successful optometrist and friend of Scott
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Kimball's Scott and his mother rented space in the same building where Cleves practice was located Cleve goes on
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vacation and Scott got to work using Cleves financials Scott moved thousands of dollars he stole all these documents
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from Cleves workspace and he moves thousands of dollars from Cleves money market account to his checking account
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to Cleves checking account then over the next three weeks he forged nearly $55,000 worth of checks to his own
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companies so basically he's having Cleves money market account move a bunch of money to his personal checking
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account and then having Cleve write checks to Scott Kimball's companies remember he had that Rocky Mountain all
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natural beef company and the Rocky Mountain Cattle Company so of course Cleve gets back from his horse he's
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probably selling horse meat and he discovers that he discovers his theft and of course he blows the whistle on
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Scott he it was a pretty obvious who was doing this whose money when you have the
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checks made out to yourself it's not a long paper trail to get to Scott can I wonder how did he get this money so as a
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result of all of this now he's in hot water again what does Scott do when he's in hot water we've seen it time and time
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again he flees this time he flees to California where he shacked up with yet another girlfriend I don't know how this
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guy managed to keep landing I don't know I don't have big beard some women really find the beard to be
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irresistible I there's no doubt in my mind that he's a smooth talker and there's no doubt he's completely full of
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[ __ ] there's no doubt in my mind that he can look at a room full of people and
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very quickly discern who are the gullible types and who are the vulnerable types in the room so this
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woman her name is Denise Pierce now back in Lafayette finally because of this whole new theft thing we have a
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competent lawman this is detective Gary Thatcher who started to look into Scott Campbell now
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he couldn't find Scott physically but what he found was a treasure trove of information according to The Daily
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Camera Thatcher found sheets of practice signatures bogus subpoenas regarding the
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assault case against Scotts ex Lauri a counterfeit lien release for the Jeep that he used to cash in on the insurance
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proceeds after wrecking the vehicle right so you see what we're pointing out here there's a very good chance that
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this insurance claim in itself is fraudulent but then would you trace it back even a little bit further it's a
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counterfeit lien release on the Jeep right it doesn't appear that Scott Kimball even owned the Jeep now this
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immediately appeared to detective Thatcher that this Scott Kimball was not your average ordinary criminal so
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Thatcher sat down with Lori and she told Thatcher about all of Scott's strange behavior and then she told him about her
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daughter Casey remember she is one of our missing people right and how Scott was the last person who saw her before
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she vanished and after some good old-fashioned snooping around Thatcher found the supposed stolen trailer hidden
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on Scott's old ranch property which he had sub leased out to someone else so this is where I tell everybody I'm
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captain only two people in the garage at a time so for reasons unknown and I'm saying that sarcastically agents laugh
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was removed from Scotts case maybe it's just me maybe it's because he was a super gullible sucker who let this con
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artist make the FBI look like a bunch of clowns Scott's informant status was revoked and
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a federal arrest warrant was issued for Scott Lee Kimball for multiple parole violations on March
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14 2006 federal agents finally caught up with Scott Kimball they located him in California using cell phone tracking to
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pin down his location when he saw them coming he took off in his Ford f-350 driving at dangerously high speeds
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flying through California's Coachella Valley this whole chase was broadcast on local
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TV and this was a lengthy car chase but finally Scott's truck ran out of gas so he is arrested and sentenced this
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time in federal court - he ends up getting 10 months in jail in six months and a halfway house for violating his
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parole now I mean how much time does he get for just running from the cops like that well the thing is regarding this
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and I'm with you I'm on your side here this is not a big punishment but what it does is it serves a bigger purpose of
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simply holding Scott in one place under watch until more cases could be built against him right but I would assume
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that it would have to be years of punishment for going on a high-speed chase like that right I mean you have I
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don't want to get all political here okay so what we have here is they're trying
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to build possible murder charges against this guy so around the same time the Colorado Bureau of Investigation they
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officially list Casey as a missing person right so all right so sorry she got that is Scott's stepdaughter well
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she she in a sense would have been because he is involved with Lori Casey lived with him and Lori for a while it's
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not until after she disappears that the two actually got married right but keep in mind Lori when her daughter goes
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missing thinks that the her daughter is out on a drug bender and disappeared and
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she also thinks that Scott's an actual FBI agent that's what he's been telling her this whole time and I'm sure on some
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level she thought you know what it would be easier to find my daughter if I'm married to an FBI agent and you and I
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well he was also given her tips yeah pull back the curtain we know that he's not an actual FBI agent and we also know
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that he's scamming everybody and in every walk of life that he comes into law and it's a like you were saying it's
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kind of a perfect storm and if you meet somebody and they say that they're a police officer you might assume that
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well here seems to be an honest individual you tell me that you're an FBI agent Oh even higher just like if
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somebody said wama a youth minister then you start assuming that they have a certain set of moral standards and moral
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character that's not always the case right and I'm sorry to keep jumping around captain but there are a lot of
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families involved in this growing case and unfortunately there's a lot of victims as we are now seeing or just
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don't hit your head but what will happen is eventually two of the fathers of the
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missing will join forces so we have remember the newspaper article that we discussed about the Billboard this is
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seen by Bob McLeod the father of missing young woman Casey the the former you know
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daughter of his girlfriend or would have been stepdaughter for Scott Kimball now
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by this time he knows that Scott is believed to be the last person to see or to be with Casey his daughter yeah and
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he also knows that Scott's phone had been turned off for a long period of time and of course this is right around
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the time that Casey vanished so the two dads together with Lori they did some snooping and Laurie mentions
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Scott's Uncle Terry he's missing too or at least he was there one day and he's no longer there so Rob and Bob went to
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the FBI's Denver office this in October of 2006 and they're really kind of trying to lay out all of their
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suspicions for the FBI there and the FBI assigned special agent Jonathan aggressing to investigate the missing
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persons cases surrounding Scott Kimball so we have Jennifer Casey and Terry that
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they are aware of at this time it took the two dads putting the puzzle together for the FBI to get a clue as to what was
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going on with their one-time informant Scott Campbell right now back to detective Gary Thatcher he's the one
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investigating Scott on the theft of the fifty five thousand dollars from the optometrist he was shocked when he
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learned that Scott Kimball was in fact at one time an FBI informant so then he teams up with the now special agent
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who's in charge of looking into these missing persons cases so now here's what we got going on for those of you keeping
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score at home we got two of the families have teamed up and they're like this dude is suspicious he's probably
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involved in the missing persons case of our loved one and now we have a very competent a very good hard-working
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detective investigating Scott Kimball for F charges and whatever else he might be
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involved in and we have a competent FBI agent who's looking at Scott for actual missing-persons cases because he's
00:37:12
duping so many people and lying to everyone and he's fairly decent at covering his tracks or at least at
00:37:19
leaving the area it really truly takes some people to team up together to really piece this story together and
00:37:27
figure out what this guy might be guilty of right but now we have these detectives that are involved trying to
00:37:34
like you said pieced together all these puzzle pieces so they can get some serious charges against this individual
00:37:41
mhm we have several women that he's the last known person to be with them and now we have the FBI going well we got a
00:37:49
little bit of egg on our face because he was one of our informants mm-hmm big stinky egg big stinky egg all over
00:37:59
our face and now we're gonna work with these detectives begin to try to put together those pieces so we can charge
00:38:07
them with some serious stuff yeah and one one comment that I found to be very interesting in regards to these
00:38:14
inspectors that they would say years later they're like you know at that time as soon as we came together with all
00:38:22
this information we knew immediately that the number of missing persons surrounding this one man were just too
00:38:28
coincidental and they believed that they were probably looking at a series of murders
00:38:33
you know saying that in the light of KC McCloud Jennifer Markham's disappearance
00:38:39
and don't forget Terry Kimball uncle Terry's disappearance right they are now starting to suspect that Scott wasn't
00:38:46
just this con artist or thief he's very likely a serial killer right so the investigators started the process and
00:38:55
worked doggedly to put their case together they were assisted by two Boulder County prosecutors this is
00:39:03
Catherina booth and Amy okobu who were eager to lock up Scott and throw away the key both were convinced that Scott
00:39:12
was guilty of a lot of evil deeds now Amy told the Daily Camera a quote it couldn't be a coincidence there
00:39:20
were too many people missing that he was last known to be with the two women started looking into Scotts criminal
00:39:27
history to see where they could possibly re arrest him on old charges basically to keep him in jail while they continued
00:39:36
to build some type of murder case against him right so Boulder County issued a warrant for Scott's arrest on
00:39:43
suspicion of theft forgery and false reporting for the optometrist Cleave Armstrong's case and then in the
00:39:52
meantime Scott's suspended sentence in the 2001 Montana theft and escape case was revoked and he was ordered to serve
00:40:01
his remaining time this is nearly two years behind bars right the team bought themselves some more time basically the
00:40:10
lady prosecutors were such a thorn in Scott's side that he complained about them in recorded jailhouse conversations
00:40:19
always referring to them as the bolder [ __ ] good for them though I feel like that should be a really good softball
00:40:30
team like they've won 18 championships in a row yeah bold our [ __ ] so now they are
00:40:37
like they're very strongly looking not just at Scott Kimball as the man they're looking into everywhere
00:40:44
that he had been and now we got a look at everyone he may have come into contact with during this time well not
00:40:52
only that but you see time and time again whether it's in print or a documentary about this guy people saying
00:41:01
when you have at least four people missing that are connected to this individual and he's constantly lying
00:41:10
about everything you have to start then going back to did he live in your town and is there somebody missing that
00:41:19
possibly was connected to him well and it makes it difficult because he's lived under so many different names yeah you
00:41:26
know was he going by Jo snitch the captain or the colonel now you leave me I'm trying to have some fun this is
00:41:35
the one time this week that I get to leave my house so when they're looking into all of the places that he's been
00:41:43
and at people he's come in contact with this is when they're going to figure out
00:41:47
that he's owned some guns during this time and remember he's prohibited from owning firearms having them in his
00:41:56
possession per terms of his federal probation so prosecutors jumped at this chance to pile on more charges against
00:42:06
Scott so he was indicted in federal court in Denver on a charge of a felon in possession of a firearm and then in
00:42:16
June of 2007 do you know how many years ago for that I don't know and and I may have come across that but I started to
00:42:25
the notes got really lengthy on this guy with all the different court dates and different charges that they brought
00:42:34
against him I mean we're talking about and all the victims since this guy became an adult they're bringing charges
00:42:39
against this guy and yeah and more importantly all the victims but I would imagine that doesn't seem like it should
00:42:47
be a light charge to me it varies from state to state this was federal court though anyway it
00:42:56
this is it this is just lengthening the amount of time he is going to have to be
00:43:01
behind bars and build this case against him so now we have detective Thatcher and agent crossing the FBI agent and the
00:43:12
police detective they sit down for a six-hour interview with Scott Kimball this is at the Cascade County Detention
00:43:21
Facility the investigators ask Scott about the disappearances of Jennifer Markham of KC
00:43:29
McCloud and Terry Kimball his uncle Scott somewhat to the surprise of the two detectives offered to provide
00:43:40
information about Jennifer and his uncle if given immunity for his white-collar crimes Ascot also told them
00:43:50
that Casey was still alive Scott danced around providing actual details saying instead I can't incriminate myself any
00:44:00
further now in a later interview he said that Casey had od'd somewhere in a National Forest in Colorado and that he
00:44:09
had seen her fall into the fire while high on meth causing her death no don't buy it at all detectives continue to
00:44:21
interview everyone who had come in contact with Scott this led them to Steve Ennis Jennifer's boyfriend who was
00:44:28
still in federal prison as they talked he told them about how he had trusted Scott to take care of Jennifer on the
00:44:35
outside he denied the existence of the murder-for-hire plot and he believed that Scott was responsible for
00:44:42
Jennifer's disappearance but then Steve dropped a bomb he said he knew another guy who experienced almost the exact
00:44:53
same thing and he gave the detectives the name of Stephen Hawley now Stephen Hawley you may recall was
00:45:02
the one dating Leanne Emery somebody that we haven't talked about at all yet in this in this episode we talked about
00:45:10
her briefly last week now Stephen just like the other inmate Stephen Ennis also put his trust into
00:45:18
Scott while they were in prison together this in 2002 remember he told his girlfriend Leanne to trust Scott Scott
00:45:27
was pretending that he was going to help Stephen escape from prison and that he was going to help get his girlfriend to
00:45:35
him in Mexico once Stephen had it escaped but once Scott gets out of prison it appears that he seduced Leanne
00:45:45
because the two went on the multi-state check overdraft spree and then Leanne magically disappears
00:45:54
yeah it is questionable if he seduced her or or if he got in contact with her and just stole these remains while she's
00:46:02
very young I mean he's really could have said look I'm gonna kill you I'm gonna kill your family if you don't cooperate
00:46:08
so this is where they're like wait we we have a possible another another victim here so they contact Lee Ann's father
00:46:16
his name's Howard yeah but let's just be clear we got three possible missing women connected to Scott and then a male
00:46:25
his uncle right that's the counter so far right which his his uncle story is a little less
00:46:33
nefarious in the sense that it doesn't seem to be obvious that this guy was missing remember he came up with the
00:46:39
story of uncle in the yeah won the lottery and went to Mexico it I would guess for detectives that it's only once
00:46:48
they mention uncle Terry's name to Scott in this interview that he says oh I can
00:46:53
probably help you on that case that there there there now going wait a second there's probably something here
00:46:59
well the look when you say you won the lottery where do you win the lottery Ohio good state they look up the records
00:47:08
the state of Ohio never paid out Terry never paid out Scotts uncle so he did not win when they were able to find that
00:47:18
out pretty quickly so they know that that story is [ __ ] so when they contact this Liana Marie's father Howard
00:47:26
the first thing he says to the FBI is like I've been trying to get the FBI's attention on this for years
00:47:33
i I've told them that someone using the name Hannibal was responsible for the disappearance of my daughter so then
00:47:44
this is when we have Steven Holley he confirmed for detectives what they are now suspecting that Hannibal was yet
00:47:50
just another alias for Scott Kimball right furthermore Steve and Holly told investigators that Hannibal asked him
00:47:57
that once Holly escaped from prison to this is this is just bizarre man he says that Scott Kimball using the name of
00:48:07
Hannibal ask this other inmate once I help you escape from prison and you're out I want
00:48:14
you to torture and kill my second wife who is also the mother of Scots two boys right but when you do this I want her to
00:48:27
know that I was the one that sent you to kill her right so the evidence captain is obviously piling up against Scott
00:48:38
Kimball and pointing out that he probably killed multiple people detectives dug in and looked into every
00:48:47
aspect of his life in addition to interviews with people detectives gathered the following pieces of
00:48:53
evidence this is a starts off with a search of Scott's Toshiba laptop computer which revealed the following a
00:49:07
search of the term Jennifer Markham missing they also found pictures of various women including LeAnn Emery this picture
00:49:18
of LeAnn Emery is dated just 11 days before she disappeared they found two hundred and ninety-one
00:49:24
graphic images and their statement says depicting women clothed and unclothed being assaulted forced into violent
00:49:33
sexual activities or raped bound and gagged possibly some pictures of women posing as being dead and then some of
00:49:45
them threatened at gunpoint or knifepoint the search also discovered that Scott had visited online rape video
00:49:53
sites using the moniker beef man one nine nine six a search of Scott's former Adams County home investigators found
00:50:04
bloodstains in the living room carpet and carpet pad and floorboards mmm so they cut out all these samples and
00:50:14
they're taking collecting them and they sent them to the FBI lab for analysis well it's good thing that
00:50:21
the two fathers got together and started trying to put together the pieces of this puzzle but now we don't just have
00:50:28
hearsay or you know this guy went by Hannibal or somebody just saying you know he said she said stuff we actually
00:50:37
have enough physical evidence against Scott Kimball yeah and so they're looking at Scott's cellphone records and
00:50:44
you talked about suspicions and what what people are relating to law enforcement but we're gonna get a
00:50:50
confirmation right here because as soon as they look at his cellphone records they saw that yes in fact his phone did
00:50:57
go offline from 8:15 p.m. on August 23rd 2003 all the way through 4:38 p.m. on August 24 2003 now it's during this to
00:51:10
this 20 hour period that Casey McLeod vanished right Anna and Scott according to his statements he was alone in the
00:51:21
mountains which we know is not a great alibi right so when the phone comes back online it pinged a tower near Walden
00:51:30
Colorado in a search of some boxes of old documents and receipts of Scots law enforcement discovered a receipt from
00:51:39
North Park supers grocery store in Walden Colorado the receipt was for $17.95 showing that Scott purchased
00:51:49
pasta meat spaghetti sauce and lighter fluid okay so this is at the same time what he wanted to make his sauce a
00:52:00
little spicy this is at the same time when Casey McCloud disappeared but also was supposedly picked up for work to go
00:52:08
to work by Scott and remember we know she never shows up for work at Subway that day right in fact there's no record
00:52:15
of anyone having seen her ever again after this and again Scott claims he was hunting alone in the mountains that day
00:52:23
and walden is in the mountains sounds more like Scott was up there hunting for somewhere to dispose of
00:52:29
Casey's body and hunting for something to burn it with right and not to mention that
00:52:34
before he was telling her mother kaze his mother hey the neighbor saw her and and you know I picked her up and and all
00:52:46
these little lies and they come to find out those aren't true either mm-hmm yeah
00:52:52
and remember the strange statement from Scott where he told police in an interview that he said KC od'd on meth
00:52:59
and died in a national forest well walden is surrounded by a National Forest in a later search of the trailer
00:53:09
the supposed stolen trailer hidden by Scott investigators found KC's subway hat along with with that they found a
00:53:20
black bag containing six zip ties two rolls of electric tape and a pair of women's shoes
00:53:28
agent Gress Inge called over to the authorities and walled in and they found out that a skull and skeleton likely
00:53:37
belonging to a young female was discovered by a hunter six months earlier in a remote area southwest of
00:53:45
town after DNA testing it was confirmed that these were the remains of KC McCloud unfortunately there was no way
00:53:55
to tell the cause or manner of her death yeah but at least you have a body and we
00:54:01
know that it's harder to prosecute a murder case without a body and it's not terribly far off from where you know or
00:54:10
belief Scott was and it's not terribly far off from what his alibi was I'm alone in the mountains this is in the
00:54:17
mountains right so it's looking very bad for Scott now investigators they also spoke with an inmate who knew Scott this
00:54:26
inmate has not been named publicly but this inmate told them that Scott said he had strangled KC with a dog collar and
00:54:34
smashed her head in with a rock this because she was a witness against the leader of a powerful drug gang but again
00:54:43
KC's cause of death could not be determined from her remains and her skull of course
00:54:48
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