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chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] picking up where we left off Captain we
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are discussing some of the possible suspects or at the very least people that we think should be looked at in
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this case we now need to take an in-depth look at two men whom Jen worked with many people
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believe that one of these men not both is likely responsible for Jen's abduction there is a lot in this case
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that points to Jennifer being abducted by somebody who knew her knew where she lived her routines whom she might have
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trusted and possibly let her guard down with perhaps this person confronted her over
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her recent trip with her boyfriend in an argument ensued the story about the two co-workers at
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Jen's workplace makes them suspects in the eyes of many followers of this case the Orlando Police Department did not
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prioritize Jen's workplace in their investigation probably because she never made it into work that day
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the crime happened elsewhere we said that in the week after Jen's disappearance the Orlando Police
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Department conducted interviews with some colleagues of Jennifer's and took her computer but really that's about it
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the building she worked in had over 3 000 employees Orlando PD did not speak with every or actually very many of them
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at all and there are two in particular who are internet favorites for being her abductor these men were not interviewed
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in depth until three years after Jennifer vanished Drew kessie has long told a story that may have helped spark
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public interest in a co-worker of Jennifer's as a possible Person of Interest he and Joyce maintained the a manager in
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Jen's office we're going to call him John he was her peer not her superior but he was very interested in Jennifer
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and repeatedly pestered her about going out with him Jennifer did not date colleagues and this manager was married
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Drew and Joyce suggested to Jennifer that she handle it by having lunch with the manager in the building's cafeteria
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and letting him know firmly that she did not date in the workplace Drew says that as far as he knows
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Jennifer did do this then after her abduction at a public event the kessies conducted publicizing Jennifer's case
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this manager approached the Cassis and gave them a secret santa ornament Jennifer kept on her desk
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now if that were all there is to it then the manager would likely get a side eye from the public
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but he might not be a person of interest but there is much much more to this story in 2010 another co-worker of
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Jennifer's who is known in online forums as the pseudonym Adam Frank although that is not his real name filed a
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harassment suit at CFI Westgate Resorts against the manager who we said had a crush on Jen right the
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manager was Adam's Superior at work this lawsuit alleged that the manager was known to have a relationship with
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Jennifer kessie and to have made comments deemed threatening since Jennifer went missing these included
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comments that Jennifer was likely eaten up by alligators by now which he said to
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more than one person it also alleged that the manager was late for work on the morning of the 24th of January 2006
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the day that Jennifer went missing according to this complaint the manager made disparaging comments about
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Jennifer's boyfriend and he was obsessed with her Adam Frank claimed that the manager and Jennifer
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had a confrontation about her trip with Ron on that Monday morning after Jennifer got back from Saint Croix
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within days of Adam filing this harassment suit he was fired from Westgate now it is not known whether the
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manager was actually late for work that day as alleged by Adam managers were not
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required to keep time cards but in the wake of Adam's suit and dismissal from the company A source told unconcluded
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that it was Adam not the manager who was obsessed with Jennifer he had sent her an email telling her she
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looked nice and he was creepy and stalkerish by these accounts it seemed that this
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Adam Frank guy may very well have made up the whole thing about the manager to cast suspicion on this manager on John
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rather than himself right the upshot is and we don't know but a private investigator who worked for the Cassie's
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views this manager as the prime suspect and says that he has not been cleared by
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Orlando PD which won the manager John John this this manager John was the boss of this other employee who later filed
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the complaint right Adam yeah thank you it is it is difficult to follow because you really have one man saying look at
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the manager he said some weird stuff he might be guilty of this come on he's also saying that he also came in late
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that day and we have no evidence of Jennifer talking bad about this Adam before she went missing but we have
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evidence of her talking to her parents about this John character that is correct
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the weird thing though is we have other sources that say that it was Adam who was late for work on the 24th and not
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the manager the private investigator also states that Adam Frank again a fake name passed a polygraph and she was able
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to corroborate his statements somehow the manager knew about Adam's complementary email to Jennifer
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indicating that he was monitoring her emails again another thing we just do not have
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answers to but it looks interesting and I'm going to put point this out here Captain I firmly believe in reviewing
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this case that the individual or individuals responsible for her disappearance they had some knowledge so whether it be
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extensive knowledge about Jennifer Cassie or even just some general vague knowledge but they had some knowledge
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about this young woman and her activities one man that we have not yet addressed and now many feel could
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possibly be linked to what happened to Jennifer because of similarities between Jennifer's disappearance and one that he
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is believed to be responsible for this is 2009 a young woman named Tracy Ocasio left a bar in Metro West neighborhood of
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Orlando with a man named James Hadaway the bar was called The Tap Room and Jennifer Cassie and her friends had been
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to this bar at least on one occasion which was in Jen's old neighborhood Tracy Ocasio was never seen again after
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this night at that bar at the tap room with this man and her case is still unsolved right her
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Chevy Cobalt Tracy's car was found in Ocoee just blocks away from the home of the man she left the bar with James
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hattaway Jennifer Cassie worked in Ocoee hattaway is now serving life in state prison in Florida convicted of an attack
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on another young woman Rachel Clark whom he tried to strangle to death in her car after she gave him a ride
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he was known to brag about how he liked to strangle his victims and break their necks
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hattaway's ex-girlfriends told detectives he had a morbid Obsession in Vampires cannibalism and serial
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murderers the Orlando Police Department has looked at James hattaway and Jennifer Cassie's case
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but the fact is there just is no real evidence to make a connection for one thing both Rachel and Tracy were
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voluntarily in hattaway's presence whereas it is very unlikely that this would ever have been the case with
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Jennifer kessie it is theoretically possible that Hathaway saw Jennifer kessie somewhere
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and decided to attack her that is possible but again it doesn't seem to be that there's any anything of evidentiary
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value to connect him to her missing person's case yeah it doesn't seem like there's much of a link at all I mean
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definitely similar cases but no link yeah and it's interesting that one of his possible victims
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it sounds to me has never been found as well right and I think that is there are
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several problems with Jennifer kessie's case and when I say problems I mean they're they're Mysteries they're these
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little Mysteries that are inside the big mystery and one of them is not only when did
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this abduction take place and where but also why has she never been found right there was not that big of a window to
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get rid of her or conceal her and we went through a lot of the searches that were conducted they had
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some hits and some leads along the way but she's never been found and that's another thing that is cadaver
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dogs didn't hit on her car either right and that's the that's the other thing that is still
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so troubling and hurtful to her family to this day I know her father at least based off of
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words that I've heard him say in interviews seems to have come to the reality and and maybe that's
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not the right phrase but at least his has decided to accept the very likely reality that his daughter is no longer
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with us but they still need some even hint of closure they still need to find her I understand why people would
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question the time of of when she would be abducted but to me it just seems like everything points to that she got up and
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was getting ready for work and then she left for work then the question for me becomes more did it happen on the way to
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her car or was she in her car uh did she actually leave uh her condos unit was she driving
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it it seems like to me those are the most likely ideas and so I kind of want to start ruling out this idea that she
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was abducted at night well and I think if you could if we could take away what we know of the statements regarding
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these cell phone pings this was a conversation that happened between Orlando PD and
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the kessie family right if that would have never gone public if that conversation never made it to to
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the Public's ears I don't know how anybody could consider otherwise I mean like as you said I
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think everything points to a morning abduction yeah and I then I also wonder too like what records do they have I
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mean do they have her financial records because yes the the answer to that is yes they
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have that information and I think if you would be able to prove that you know at
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11 o'clock at night or whatever she went to a bar and had a drink or something now that puts us in a whole different
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mindset of what happened we then know that she was lying to her boyfriend we then know that she she actually left her
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apartment but we don't have any records of that the only possible evidence in my
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mind that points to a nighttime abduction a possible nighttime abduction is these cell phone pings the phone's
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being shut off which we've are now being told by the same people that told us about these cell phone pings to begin
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with that this could be all bogus information we don't know what they're being told that there there may be some
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good information in here however we know that there is some bad information in here so we can't look at this in just
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arbitrarily decide what is correct and what is not correct you have to just kind of throw it all out and say we're
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not going to look at that well and I also think the big point of evidence would be let's say she went to a bar and
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she met up with some guy then that individual goes back to her house stages the fact that she got ready
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for work knew what items to take that she would normally take to work uh lay out
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multiple outfits that would match a certain set of shoes that she told her mother she was going to wear
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uh that this seems like a lot for a perpetrator to be able to do we do know what's interesting in those regards
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though Captain we do know that somebody the perpetrator or the offender or somebody that was working with the
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offender staged the car so I guess it wouldn't be too big of a leap for somebody then to say
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I want to be clear this is not my thoughts on this at all but are they staged in the car or are they just
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moving the car well that in a sense it's the same thing so therefore I guess the
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the easy leap to make would be well if she was abducted the night before or abducted from her vehicle
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then maybe the perpetrator went to the condo and staged the condo as well I'm with you I don't think that
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there would be any way for this offender to know exactly how to Stage the condo to make it appear that she was going to
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leave that morning I already said that I believe that this individual has some knowledge about Jennifer Cassie right
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but this seems like too much knowledge would need to be had where I think this could get a little more likely even
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though I disagree with it would be if she left her condo with the intention of going immediately to work the next
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morning from wherever she was going because then she would have brought those items with her willingly
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I I'm with you though I I 100 lean toward the idea of a morning abduction well I also don't believe that this
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perpetrator had to know a lot about her I could just know a little bit about her
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I think when her father Drew says look you have a pretty girl they don't just take pretty girls and put them in the
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corner and stare at them there's a motive there and I think that's probably what the motive was and
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I think it could simply be somebody working on that site there's undock undocumented workers there's Crews of
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people I you know I used to work some construction Crews you want to know anybody's name that you're on that crew
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with unless you worked with them multiple times but a lot of those times those Crews would change over very
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rapidly all this guy comes to work with us one week well he got paid and now he's not with us any longer what was his
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name uh well we caught him called him Scarface or whatever right um you might not know his actual name
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and I think it's it's more likely that for whatever reason she got into her car or was maybe she was making trips to her
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car to bring things to work and this person looked at this as a opportunity look I have good reason to believe that
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that I know who should very likely be the the number one prime suspect in Jody who's and
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truth's abduction which took place in Iowa City right we're in Iowa and really that person all they needed to know to
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carry out that abduction early that morning is where she lived what her vehicle looked like and what time she
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would leave to go to work that's all that person needed to know to carry that out I think we have a situation here
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where it's so similar in my mind that that's all this individual or individuals would need to know where she
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lived what time approximately she left for work and what her vehicle was well and it's not impossible to get some
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dickweed to go drop off this girl's car at an apartment complex right it's not impossible but the fact that they
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actually you know we have some evidence that not only did they drop the car but they walked back to the condo complex
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yeah so again I don't I think the dickweed that dropped off the car is most likely in my
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mind the perpetrator or one of and it's so interesting that you use the word dickweed because when last week you
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asked the listeners to go to our blog view the pictures of the person of interest yeah and tell us what they saw
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well I said what I see 100 is a dickweed by far the most popular Theory regarding
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the person or persons responsible for Jennifer kessie's disappearance centers on the workers at Jennifer's condo
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complex yeah well the thing I can't get over when you're looking at that dickweed is they're claiming he's pretty
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small right or she is pretty small under five five the smallest that we see reported would
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be five three but again I believe that there there are other agencies other than the FBI that believe that this
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person could be as tall as five foot eleven right so releasing the oh the the perpetrator or the person of interest is
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what we should call them because that's what law enforcement has referred to this person as right the person of
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interest absolutely the person pictured there absolutely did move that vehicle Jennifer kissing's car
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we know that move that vehicle and parked it there around noon the on the 24th so where our window of time
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starts at 10 pm the night before this person is moving this vehicle and leaving it in that parking lot at noon
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100 that person drove that vehicle other agencies are saying look we have this individual taller than what
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the FBI stated five foot three to five foot six inches tall not much taller but as tall as five foot ten or five foot
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eleven but again one of the popular theories regarding this person or persons responsible for Jennifer
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kessie's disappearance centers on the workers at her condo complex right and you would think well
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this should be easy for police to vet these individuals to investigate these individuals but it's not so easy when we
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have the kessies who say after Jennifer disappeared it seemed like some of these workers magically
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disappeared keep in mind the authorities may not even know who all of these workers were
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at the time or even to this day many of them were undocumented workers some of them were crashing at the condo
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complex in its empty units we could be talking about usually with this type of work this line of work we
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usually are talking about a lot of seasonal and or transient workers as well these workers would or could know which
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units were empty possibly utilizing an empty unit to abduct and hold a kidnap victim right
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remember there were about 250 empty units at this time the workers could also know Jennifer's
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routine remember too that Jennifer's family has said that the workers would regularly cat call or leer at Jennifer
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this happened to other women in the complex as well yeah and but also when you look at the surveillance picture
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it also looks like the person's wearing some kind of outfit you'd wear when you're doing construction or painting
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yeah some kind of work outfit or some type of uniform now also remember regarding these
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possibilities that there is some belief that a set of master keys was stolen meaning that
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someone could have access to all of the units although if Jennifer was taken in the
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morning the suspect very likely would just grab her in the parking lot and not even need to enter her apartment right
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but I think the evidence that we know that this person dropped off her car and then headed back to the condo unit
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as evidence that there's some direct connection between them and those condo units and they and they could have
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been staying in one of those rooms could have had their car parked in the parking
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lot drop it off now that I did this bad thing I gotta hit the road I gotta get out of here yeah no I 100 agree with
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that I think that it's very likely that the reason why the trail goes cold for the scent dog who is trying to track
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where the vehicle or where the perpetrator the person that drove the vehicle went off to after parking it
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right goes back to her condo complex goes back to her parking garage area and then all of a sudden stops at the
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stairs I think that's because this individual not only walked back there but got into a vehicle at that General
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location and took off whether they were the driver or a passenger [Music] [Music]
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[Music] all right cheers mates cheers one story I want to make sure that we get to here
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Captain this comes from Jennifer's father Drew kessie remember we had said last week that he had reported that on a
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couple of occasions when she had to have work done in her condo unit that she would drive home on her lunch break she
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would oversee the work that was going on and she would stay on the cell phone talking with family or friends so the
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workers knew that she was in a sense not alone and she would watch the work being
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conducted she didn't want to have these workers in her condo unit when she was not there
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he says that on one of these occasions that one of the workers was later arrested for statutory rape in 2008.
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apparently what according to Drew what he wants to say is that this worker is someone that had later told the Orlando
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Police Department that yes he had worked in Jennifer's condo and the last time that
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he saw Jennifer was when they started working in her condo she had let him in telling him to just lock the door on his
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way out Drew points out that not only is it suspicious that this man later goes on
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to commit a crime but he also says this story that sounds untrue to Drew it sounds like something
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that she would not have done or consented to yeah I like where his head's at with this but at the same time
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seems to me once somebody committed a crime like this they would just disappear from the complex altogether
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possibly I mean if they had the ability to do so right they might not have the ability to do so and then furthermore if
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they do and they don't have an out or a reason to no longer be there that in itself may
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make them look suspicious this worker according to Orlando Police Department was questioned by them and
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according to them he passed a polygraph the second worker that was working with him regarding that day with the story
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that he told was also cleared and I say that I want I want to really Circle and underline this before we move
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on the statement is he was cleared I don't know that when you see the words also cleared that to me implies that the
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other guy was cleared as well I don't know that these guys should be cleared number one and I also question
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how official that would be by Orlando Police Department if in fact they were officially cleared or if it was just
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written this way in the Articles now according to the Cassis many of the other workers disappeared as you had
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pointed out captain and there is little to no documentation on how or where to find these workers right and that that's
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what I think one would disappear it's possible that this individual also knows because there's undocumented workers
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that when a crime happens within the vicinity or happens to somebody that of a place that they're working at that a
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bunch of workers flee the scene therefore not making a big deal that they're going
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to leave as well Drew enjoys Cassie have said that they were told by the police department that Orlando tried a quote
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sting operation with a painting company working at the complex but many of the workers were gone by the time they were
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doing the sting operation so there are conflicting reports about whether all of the workers were actually tracked down
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and questioned that I did find some reports to state that state that that did in fact happen but many reports
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question if that actually happened and how would they absolutely know that everybody was questioned the Cassies are
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adamant that not all of these workers were in fact questioned there are statements by a private investigator who
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worked with the kessie family and this investigator maintains that yes all of the workers were Tracked Down
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including some outside of the United States and spoken to Drew Cassie has said that when he and
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his wife Joyce were living in Jennifer's condo remember they did this for about eight months after she disappeared
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he says while they're living there the Landscaping Maintenance crew would arrive every Tuesday Morning by 7 30 or
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8 A.M this to Mo prune the shrubs and tidy the grounds he wants to know what these guys saw what they could have seen
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that Tuesday Morning of January 24th when Jennifer in theory could have been taken some reports have stated that
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Jennifer's car was observed by these workers not to be in its designated spot remember her spot was number 2226
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not in her spot on that Tuesday but we obviously just don't know for sure here's the thing that I want to get
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I want to point out too regarding this this parking area and regarding where the footsteps the where the scent Dog
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bow tracked this scent to mm-hmm if I'm living in this condo complex yes I have an assigned parking space it's you
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actually with most of these places your the purchase of your condo includes the purchase of that parking space right and
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sometimes you can purchase an additional spot if you wish if I'm living there and
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I know that half the place is empty and I have to walk a distance to get to these stairs and then from the stairs
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get to my condo if those other spaces are not being used why wouldn't I just park at the space closest to the stairs
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even though that's not my assigned spot right I could totally see somebody doing
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I would do that I would totally do that and then I would also play your music too loud yeah I would go into my condo
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and I would blast the music and look I I wouldn't get kicked out of this condo because I want to point something out
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here too that look it almost feels like lawlessness at this condo I do not as somebody who worked in property
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management for many many years and for three and a half of those years worked as the Security administrator for a
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condo complex I am appalled at what is being reported that was coming out of this condo
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complex at the time that she went missing we don't have any real security going on
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we have the appearance of security right and unfortunately the people that are going to do bad things that are going to
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do harm to the residents they are smart enough to realize that there is no real security going on at this place what we
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have going on is the appearance of security and they're only trying to uphold the appearance of security and
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not real security to appease the people living there to trick the people that are living there there was nothing to
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actually protect the residents of this condo complex be it from criminals that that are outside of the property or be
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it from criminals that were employed to work and renovate this property right right but I think eventually there was
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going to be it's just you couldn't have the gates closed all the time when you have all these workers coming in and out
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so willy-nilly but also that's the problem the workers are coming in and out willy-nilly the
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condominium complex that I worked at was under construction when I started working there there were zero
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zero tenants zero people that owned a condo that had moved in by that time the second week I was there we had two
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people that lived there and then that grew every couple of months so I worked in a place that was
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more more under construction than this place that we are discussing today it it was more than 50 percent under
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construction every day we checked in and checked out workers that worked there they were not to be on that property
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without going through us first they were not to leave that property without going
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through us first we knew every worker that was working there when they were working there and what company they were
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working for and who the work that they were there to perform [Music] yes it it's it's quite the operation it it's
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tedious and it took a lot of work and a lot of organization but we did it and why we cared about the actual safety
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and security of our people living there of the homeowners living there yeah well
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obviously this community didn't I mean right and that's what I'm appalled at and on top of that they said oh by the
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way we we don't know who you are but you can stay in the empty units as well yeah
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I mean it's it's completely irresponsible and I was doing this years before she went missing so it's not a
00:34:48
technology thing it's really just a it's a lack of giving a [ __ ] is what it is I
00:34:54
think possibly I mean your unit you know where you worked is also different than
00:34:59
this big complex you you have more you know tons of Crews working on these units and so the cruise would be spread
00:35:07
out probably a little bit more but still I mean shut the gates you have passcodes
00:35:13
for people so you know who's entering and who's exiting and and then everybody should be
00:35:20
documented and everybody every crew the crew leader should know everybody's name social security number whatever
00:35:28
would five people don't show up after a crime happened you're able to give those
00:35:34
names and information to law enforcement yeah we'd be able to say so and so just all of a sudden is no longer here
00:35:42
and they could go to that person's company and I want to be clear these they are there to perform work on the
00:35:49
property they're not necessarily employed by the condo complex they're there to conduct work to do so so
00:35:58
um that's why they don't know everything but again you can check all of those workers in and check them out at the end
00:36:03
of the day we did it all the time for three and a half years well again back to the surveillance tape looks like
00:36:11
maybe a painter's outfit it could also also be some kind of uniform for landscaping as well yeah I think the
00:36:20
from what little I can see I see what would appear to me to be like a line cook somebody that works in a
00:36:28
restaurant but you know behind the scenes or a painter that that I think the problem is like they said these this
00:36:37
outfit is a little bleached out so that that's what kind of makes you that's what makes me go to the same thing all
00:36:44
painter or line cook so some people online have suggested a a cricket player which and then posted some pictures of
00:36:54
individuals that played Cricket in the the uniform is very similar and when looking through that one thing that that
00:37:01
jumped into my mind immediately was in Orlando this the sport of highlight was pretty popular I don't know if it's
00:37:10
still popular to this day but it used to be very popular in Orlando and they wear
00:37:14
similar uniforms to what people would wear for a cricket match one suspect that I want to make sure we
00:37:23
include captain and this comes from a caller who called in to uh the unconcluded podcast and brought a
00:37:30
Facebook post to the attention of the host this was a local guy who grew up in the Oak Ridge area
00:37:38
of Orlando this is not far from where Jennifer lived but it's also in one of those not so
00:37:44
nice neighborhoods this location was near the Oak Ridge Baptist Church where a woman on her front porch said that she
00:37:53
saw cars signaling to someone in the woods as a teen this caller had a classmate
00:38:00
who was as he says a bad dude one of those guys that would uh you know get into trouble a lot he shot off guns he
00:38:10
behaved violently recklessly committed sexual assaults and had a number of arrests over the course of some years
00:38:17
this guy apparently bragged that he was a menace to society and had gotten away with lots of crimes
00:38:25
the caller said that this guy had even shot the caller's friend and gotten away with it the caller didn't know the Guy's
00:38:33
real name just his street name eventually sometime around 2016 this guy was deported for being a criminal it's
00:38:43
not known to where and he went to prison in his country but then in November 2017 the caller saw
00:38:52
a Facebook post from this crazy guy he had known from the his neighborhood and the guy posted a long rambling
00:39:00
profane semi-literate confession of sorts about all of the bad stuff he had done including sexual
00:39:09
assaults of two family members and so on he made apologies to various people and at the end of the post which was
00:39:18
deleted but only after it was screenshotted by this caller was the sentence quote sorry
00:39:26
tell Jennifer kessie's parents and I apologize now I'm trying to read that best I can
00:39:33
because those aren't some of those aren't real words that this person typed out but basically this is an apology or
00:39:40
sounds like an apology to Jennifer kessie's parents the caller was familiar with the Cassie
00:39:47
case and said that he saw her parents handing out flyers in his neighborhood more than once he said this Shady guy
00:39:54
tended to hang out on Texas Avenue this is where Huntington on the green is located we are told that this
00:40:02
information was in fact passed along to Orlando's Police Department I've not heard any updates regarding this
00:40:10
situation the Orlando Police Department has also stated that they cannot rule out the
00:40:16
possibility of sex trafficking in Jennifer's case apparently the Orlando area had several rings and operation in
00:40:25
2006 and was reported to have one of the highest rates of sex trafficking in the
00:40:30
country at that time criminal profiler Pat Brown spoke with Jane Velez Mitchell about her thoughts
00:40:39
on the likely offender and says well Jane I think that Jennifer's father is correct I think
00:40:47
what happened was she left that condominium was getting into her car and that's where she was abducted because if
00:40:54
somebody had their own vehicle they would grab her and pull her into their vehicle because it is much easier to
00:41:02
work a crime scene when the police don't know where the crime scene is but when you use somebody else's vehicle
00:41:09
and that is found that's going to be a crime scene so my guess is this guy lived in the condominium or was working
00:41:18
in the Condominiums that's why he took her car took it someplace did something and then dropped
00:41:25
it off and went back where he had to go because either he works or he lives there so I think the police do have a
00:41:34
focus they can go right to that condominium ask everybody who do they know what Psychopathic creature is
00:41:43
running around that condominium that people know of living there or working there that might have abducted Jennifer
00:41:51
when she came out of that condominium and went to her car so Captain I want to ask you is there a
00:41:58
theory that you lean toward is there thoughts that that you have on the case regarding what you believe could have
00:42:05
happened here well like I said I think it's more likely that she's abducted after she got ready for work
00:42:11
taken away of the nighttime abduction Theory I think it was somebody that like you've said before some of that worked
00:42:19
at the condo complex or lived there or both and um I'm pretty pretty much similar to
00:42:28
the the profiler's thoughts yeah I agree with with you and the profiler Pat Brown
00:42:34
as well that when you're profiling a case one thing that you need to do especially when we have so many missing
00:42:42
puzzle pieces as we do here is you need to profile the victim the area the situation and the offender and
00:42:51
a lot of times profiling the victim the area in any circumstances situations going on at the time that will help you
00:42:59
that all of that information you will apply that to the profiling of your offender or your likely offender
00:43:07
what I see here on the surface is a young professional woman who moved into this condo recently she was only there
00:43:15
about three months and it appears that the biggest threats that would be going on in her life at
00:43:23
that time would be the the things surrounding her condo the workers there the willy-nilly coming
00:43:31
and going of these different workers and that seems to be the most likely threat or the biggest threat that she
00:43:39
was facing at that time as as a potential victim when we look at her victimology and therefore if you go and
00:43:45
say all right well we lean towards the idea of a morning abduction well she's going to be vulnerable I don't care if
00:43:53
it's during daylight hours she's going to be vulnerable during that walk between the the door to her condo and
00:44:01
the door to her car on top of that somebody could have monitored that situation and plan this out this to
00:44:10
me looks to be planned out it looks to me like she was targeted again the offender would not need to know her
00:44:19
name or crucial information about her to Target her just Target her based off of
00:44:25
the want to abduct this person and the only General information that they would need to know is again where
00:44:34
does she live about what time can I expect her to go from her condo to her car or from her car to her condo and
00:44:42
which vehicle is hers because if she's not parked in her designated parking space then I need to know where her car
00:44:50
is I need to be able to be able to visually identify a car as being hers so I can plan out where and when I'm going
00:44:59
to grab and abduct this person one thing that I've always questioned in this case is we know that when her
00:45:08
parents find out that something is up that something's going on she didn't show up to work now we're getting an
00:45:14
emergency call from her work we've placed a call to her condo complex and said can you check her door can you see if
00:45:22
she's home can you check and see if her car is there they are told no she's not home and no
00:45:31
her car is not there I've always wondered if in fact if she was choosing to park elsewhere if there was
00:45:39
a chance that at that moment in time if her car actually was on the premises if it was on the the property itself if it
00:45:46
wasn't moved yeah yeah right but if some some idiot worker there look people can
00:45:52
get mad at me all they want what I see here is a clear it's so clear that they do not care about the security of the
00:45:59
the homeowners at that time I'm with you they probably were going to at some point but
00:46:05
as we agreed in the JonBenet case nobody should be should feel less safe on December 26th than they should any other
00:46:12
day of the year so when you are selling security to your homeowners as a reason to live there as part of your condo fees
00:46:21
each month then provide them with such security that they are told that they expect to receive
00:46:27
this person whoever they sent may have had the best of intentions may actually be a good person I don't know but I have
00:46:36
every reason to believe that that person may have no idea what type of vehicle Jennifer was actually driving
00:46:43
therefore I look up her information oh she's supposed to be in this spot what did we say 22 26 I believe I go to 22 26
00:46:52
there's no car there there's nothing there her car is not here it could have very well have been
00:46:58
over by the stairs or in a different spot that was more convenient to her because there's not as many people
00:47:05
living there to fill up all of those spaces I think key the key thing here is when
00:47:12
and where was that vehicle that morning from the time that she was supposed to be gone at work until they know it to be
00:47:19
moved and then parked because that's going to shrink our window even more I also kind of lean toward the idea that
00:47:28
I'm thinking two people are more likely involved in this than just one it feels like it would be look
00:47:35
it'd be easier to carry it out if you had help number one and then number two on top of
00:47:41
that depending on what time they they took her if you and I are both right if Pat
00:47:46
Brown is right and she was abducted between the door of her condo and the door to her car
00:47:52
there's not a lot of time to do whatever you gotta do and move all these things around and put all these
00:48:01
things into place because I also believe that that very likely whatever demise she was met with I kind of feel like
00:48:13
I kind of feel like a lot of this stuff was done before the car was parked before the car was left at Huntington on
00:48:21
the green it almost feels like to me the Final Act in this whole sequence of events just dropped the car off yeah
00:48:27
very likely could be yeah get rid of the car and then then get back to where I'm
00:48:32
supposed to be where I'm supposed to be accounted for and I almost feel like you got two scenarios here
00:48:40
where you make one guy you got two guys one guy goes and Parks the car returns back to where they're supposed to be
00:48:47
working or where they have worked in the past and now they're getting into this other
00:48:55
person's vehicle or a shared vehicle and they're driving off for the day now that
00:49:00
could mean disposing of her afterward after they leave the property I feel like the immediate area has been
00:49:09
searched so well that if she was in the immediate area that they would have found her by now and it's so sad that
00:49:15
they they have not right for the family's sake but also the the biggest mystery in here is simply just
00:49:23
not to me is it isn't even any more about what happened to her I I feel like we will never know that 100 until she is
00:49:33
found until she is located maybe you get a confession out of somebody if this was more than one
00:49:40
person maybe you will get somebody that can't keep their mouth shut my fear is that one or both of these people are no
00:49:47
longer in the area and probably have not been so in a long time right I also think it's strange that we
00:49:54
we have a lot of information about the cell phone pings and that information could be wrong but why don't we have
00:50:00
more information about the cell phone pings the the morning in question yeah is there any way to like forensically go
00:50:08
back and look at that again to put a new set of eyes on that and make make heads
00:50:14
or tails of the different pings and when the the phones were powered down or I guess I should say shut off or
00:50:23
the batteries removed because the cassis in their statements what they've said were batteries removed which of course
00:50:31
sounds a lot worse than power down or turned off in January of 2018 so two years ago Captain but 12 years after
00:50:40
Jennifer was taken the Orlando Police Department held a press conference at Huntington on the green where they
00:50:48
announced quote enhanced focus on the Jennifer kessie investigation and they trotted out an Orlando city bus with
00:50:56
Jennifer's photo on the side despite the Orlando PD's statement that the case was active and that they would
00:51:04
never stop looking for Jennifer the Cassies were fed up Logan Cassie went off and tore into the Orlando Police
00:51:12
Department he said that the press conference was a slap in the face to the family and that the police department
00:51:18
was only putting on a show of caring about the case because the kessies now had attorneys involved Logan confirmed
00:51:27
that the family had hired attorneys to try to obtain copies of Orlando PD's investigative files on his sister's case
00:51:35
the kessies maintained that the case had gone cold and it needed an independent review
00:51:42
after their foia request for the case files were repeatedly denied they retained attorneys to help them gain
00:51:48
access to the 14 000 pages of the Orlando Police Department's Case Files they filed a
00:51:56
lawsuit against the police department in December of 2018. this lawsuit was groundbreaking for a family to demand
00:52:03
that a case legally be declared cold and a police department legally required to
00:52:09
hand over documents this is a bit of a risky tactic if the Cassie's alienated the Orlando Police
00:52:17
Department the case might just sink into the abyss so to speak now in March of 2019 the kessies settled their lawsuit
00:52:27
against the police department the parties agreed that the department would no longer be obligated to investigate
00:52:33
Jennifer's case and they began handing over the Jennifer kessie Case Files to the family but this didn't come without
00:52:42
a cost this the cost would be 18 648 dollars this is for photocopying fees the family the kessie family has a
00:52:52
GoFundMe to help pay for some of these fees which drew the father absolutely hates but says that they have no choice
00:53:02
independent investigators retained by Drew and Joyce Cassie are currently reviewing these files and Drew recently
00:53:09
stated that there are some names in the files that they have never heard of the family sadly is still waiting for
00:53:17
that one phone call that can bring their daughter home if you have any information on the whereabouts of
00:53:25
Jennifer Cassie please call the kessie family's private investigator at 941-201-4009
00:53:35
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