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foreign [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] favorite Paul Rudd movie I was just
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going to say we've spent the whole morning talking about Paul Rudd what's my favorite Paul Rudd movie right [ __ ]
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and you can't say Halloween the curse of Paul Rudd uh well that's other than that
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that's not a good Paul Rudd movie um crap I don't even know what kind of accent he is trying to do in the movie
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so it's very bad this is very tough for me because he's in so many good movies I
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was just telling you Ant-Man is one of my favorite superhero movies I haven't seen it yet it's it's very good and and
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I think the sequel is coming out very soon um are we getting paid to say this no
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okay uh 40 year old virgin's very good I think but but still thinking I love you
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man he's not like the funny one in 40 year old virgin for me he's he's not as funny as as some of the other guys uh
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Anchorman he's very good I Love Lamp yes um I love you man is probably the best Paul bro if you're looking for a heavy
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dose of Paul Rudd and some good good uh laughing I love you man as a good uh eat
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get some fish tacos and a whole bunch of beer cold cold beer and get out your base guitar and sit down slap slap at
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some bass sit down and watch I love you man you know what I like that movie so much and I thought it's such a good like
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Guy movie that I almost I almost bought tickets to see uh Rush yeah I almost bought tickets to see Rush uh the day
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after I saw that movie and then I realized the tickets to see Rush were like a hundred dollars and I was like
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well I'll just take twenty dollars and listen to him on on my phone [Laughter] all right Migos so we spent the whole
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morning talking about Paul Rudd and even a little bit just now Don Rickles but thinking about another conversation we
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had is what kind of inspired me out of the blue this last week what was it has it been about six weeks now maybe two
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months we're so busy the the time frame is is screwy for me but we did that podcast Festival right in Columbus yeah
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yeah and we discussed Brian Schaefer for a good portion of that yes and I'm not crazy but people have got to hear that
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on here right on off the record I believe so so if you want you can go listen to that
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but the thing here is afterwards when we were go ahead I was just going to say I
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have a couple updates on that real quick if you want to hear them well actually yeah yeah I do but I want to tell you
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why I kind of got into this thinking about Joey Le butte's case was that podcast Festival because afterwards
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we're talking about Brian Shafer and we we're trying to leave the theater and there was a great group of people what
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about six or seven people outside of the theater and we stood there talking with them about Brian shaffer's
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case but we also talked quite a bit about Joey Le beaut and several other people that have gone missing or were
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killed in Ohio well first of all we were supposed to go to the Little Rock Bar in
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Columbus which is owned by a friend of mine or a guy I haven't seen in a while but I
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consider him a friend of mine and uh what was the name of the band you guys played in together uh x-rated Cowboys
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which I saw you guys at least once at the Newport that was a good band back back when we uh when we lived in an
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apartment together that's when I joined x-rated Cowboys and mainly because I said hey I'm supposed to go play with
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this band x-ray Cowboys and you go hey I just heard them on the radio and I thought well [ __ ] if they're on the
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radio it's meant to be I should probably play with this band um no but it's funny because we're
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sitting outside of the theater there's like six people uh talking to us we're talking about different cases and and
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everything we end up I think I was out there for about two hours because I remember my legs getting
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tired and like leaning against the wall and um but we're supposed to go to that bar
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afterwards and we never made it but In fairness to us as you know as we thought hey we should go to that bar because
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there's going to be some people hanging out afterwards like the host of the show
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was like see you guys later and we're like hey you going to the bar he's like nah nobody's going well we're so what
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was the end result of that were there actual people there like wanting to hang out yeah some people showed up so so we
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look like douche canoes but but the hostels the host and I can't remember his name but he was great he did a great
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job uh interviewing us and keeping the show going at the podcast Festival but you're right we we're all kind of filing
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out through the the main doors there to the theater and I assumed the three of us were going to kind of go together to
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this bar the Little Rock Bar and of course he says to us he goes don't worry about going there's nobody over there
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right right we're like oh okay and then I thought well and then I think you were
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a bit like pretty busy that weekend I remember saying to you like you looked at me like oh man well nobody's going
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and you had a lot of stuff I think going on in the morning and I was like hey don't worry about going I'll go over
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right you know if there's anybody over there at least one of us shows up and just because this guy said don't go over
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there at least one of us will show up well after talking for about two and a half hours on the street then I was like
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there's no way that there's anybody left we figured the only people that wanted to talk to us at the Little Rock Bar
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were the three were the were the six seven eight people that were outside of the theater that that we talked to for a
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good amount of time so that was the conversation that inspired me to look up Joey labute's
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case again and the thing that's so crazy about and and the reason why conversation about Joey's case came up
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outside of the theater that night is because the two of the cases mere the Brian Schaefer case and the Joey Le
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Butte case they marry each other quite a bit I mean you're talking about two good-looking professionals
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um in their mid-20s roughly they go missing roughly the same time of year uh Brian was late March April 1st of 2000
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of 2006. and then we have March of 2016 when Joey first goes missing and then ultimately his body is turned up in the
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sciota river some people like to say this Kyoto and the thing that's weird about that too is
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that's one theory that of a possibility that could have happened to Brian of what happened with Brian now we covered
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Brian shaffer's case and it was our first probably our first like big case when you say
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like and I mean big meaning like lots of ears tuned in and listened to those two
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episodes and we did that episode 16 and 17 and I think we did that like mid to late February of 2016 because we were
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trying to get the Brian Shafer case out before the 10-year anniversary of his disappearance but while we were doing
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research for that uh shortly afterwards is when Joey lebuke goes missing yeah and it's one of the first cases that we
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covered kind of early when there wasn't a lot of information out there right yeah there was very little information
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out there and to be honest with you Captain there still kinda is very little information right now now he went
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missing uh he was leaving the union bar Union Cafe Union bar went missing from he left possibly gone in his car we're
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not 100 sure on that there was a phone call made from his car uh from his cell or it was either made from his cell or
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somebody called the cell and and somebody picked up we don't know if that was Joey or not and then he's found I
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believe yeah almost two weeks later and they also had that strange text he sent there was some strange weird text
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that was sent from his phone that didn't make any sense it wasn't even a real word
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um so who knows how that came about and I believe his cell phone was never found
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it looks like Joey was drugged and the the rumors that I have heard I I've not read anything in
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the paper or seen anything on the news to confirm this but the rumors that I have heard was that Joey was a very
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clean living guy he didn't drink hardly ever he didn't do any drugs and actually
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you know his family has said this guy never did drugs and the thought is that somebody tried to take advantage of Joey
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tried to use may possibly date rape drugs on Joey at Union cafe or at maybe another bar
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because there's that seedier bar that's across the street and I can't think of the name of it right which I I've never
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had this confirmed but when I was talking to William Ramsey he was actually talking about the idea that
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the bar across the street was actually owned by the Union oh and that the you uh there was a
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pretty big investigation going on into a bartender that was drugging um you know customers males females both
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hey I I think both okay but I think mainly males and I don't think there was any reports
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of him like trying to the bartender was a male or from the rumor I heard he would drug the customers but there
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was no like interaction with them afterwards it wasn't like oh well he drugged me and then he tried
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to Corner me in the bathroom or something no it was it was just for like amusement or I guess and but the funny
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thing was you know I have several friends that would go to the union a lot and and the
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couple times I've been there I've actually heard people talking about this rumor why I'm there not not with Joey Le
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beaut but just the fact that possibly this bartender on this other um this other bar was gate raping not t
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raving but giving the date rape drug to people feeding that into their drinks but then also that that maybe there was
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a customer that was coming into the union and doing that onto other customers yeah I heard that with that
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the seedier bar not the union Cafe but I heard that for a while and when I when I
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say a while I mean like six months to like a year that people told me it seemed like it
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was almost a common occurrence like like once a weekend somebody was getting drugged or being or
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accusing somebody of drugging their drink while at this other place and the thought being is that Joey being a clean
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living guy that somebody put something that he ingested something unknowingly unwillingly and his system couldn't
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handle it well when we say clean living but we do know that night he was having a couple drinks right he was just wasn't
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a heavy drinker no and he wasn't even like big into going out uh he was he was described as a homebody in fact I think
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it was his uh I think it was his sister or his cousin somebody he was real tight with
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and hung out with him fair decent amount described Joey as a busy night for Joey
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was sitting on the couch watching Netflix right and that's that's the kind and he almost had to be talked into
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going out that night that particular night sounds like me where he ended up disappearing but the thing is the
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strange thing is that the case is kind of mirror themselves so much and when I started looking at Joey's case once
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again I every time every time something comes up I'm like that's like that's just like Brian that's just like Brian
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shaffer's case two guys out in roughly the same age we're talking about cases that took place almost exactly 10 years
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apart major made me and I know we talked about this when we covered Joey's case was
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were these related was this some kind of like okay it's been this some horrible person went and did something terrible
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to Brian Shaffer and then 10 years later oh I'm I'm going to strike again you know I'm going to strike again around
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the anniversary of Brian shaffer's disappearance and they never found him so what do I got to lose well yeah and
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when I was talking with William Ramsey which I know the the audio on his audio was just kind of crackly but again it's
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a good documentary if you get a chance check out that the the smiley face killer
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but when he was looking at the comparison of Brian Shaffer and Joey Le beaut similar cases similar area
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location I mean within probably a mile of each other the difference is Brian wasn't found in
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water so right so the that's why he didn't add Brian to the list of his theory which his theory if you haven't
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listened to that show or if the audio was so bad that you decided to turn it off this theory is pretty simple out of
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the hundreds of college men that have gone missing that he narrowed it down to about 30. they were all found in water
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they're all found in water that also seem to be checked you know at some point so like for
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example like um Joey went missing at some point they checked the Scioto River and then later when they checked he's
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then there wasn't there before now he's there so it seems like these individuals
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are taken somewhere for a time period And Then There dumped into water now his theory is that there's multiple
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killers and that they're learning how to do this like the blueprint through the dark web or through the internet or some
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kind of communication like a network of Killers playing some kind of game almost
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yeah but almost like we're kind of like Reddit in this in a way where somebody put out this theory of if you do this
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this and this and this and this you can get away with a crime or this is how you
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know you know if you want to do uh you know go to a bar drug then the individual take them do whatever you're
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going to do to them and then dump them into the water because we all know that the water makes the evidence a lot more
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harder to figure out is his theory that they are that these killers are colluding or are they more like silent
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Partners um I I don't know I I think I don't think he is for sure on that and I don't want to misquote him because
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right that's right but it seems seems to me like they're either getting this from
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just some kind of like manual like does somebody posted this manual or maybe that it is like you know somebody said I
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did this and somebody said oh how how do I do that and somebody's teaching the person
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um you know so it's one of the the other well and here's the thing too you know when we covered Joey's case I I gave out
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that information that when I was looking for stuff on the case I came across that
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strange post the strange comment posted by this person that goes by C Ruby fallsey see
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Ruby falsey which when you trace that I was able to trace it back to a fake Facebook profile is that c as in the
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letter C the letter c yes and then Ruby is and I'm kind of going off memory here
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Captain but Ruby I believe is are you be e y e e and falsi false Z would be f-a-l-s-z
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so it almost it like when you look at it on a computer screen it almost looks like C is the first initial and this
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rubai or Ruby would be the middle name and false Z would look like the last name but then you go to the profile the
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Facebook profile and it's very obvious a fake one and and might be that the person put some humor into
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setting up this Facebook profile because I I haven't visited the profile in a long time but I do remember that there
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were some kind of things that I had I not been so angry at this individual's post that I probably would have laughed
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at a couple of things like I think that they said that they worked at the world's largest ball of yarn or
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something like that was their place of employment but the comment that this poster
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left was after the article that says he Joey's found in the sciota river the post the comment was so simple it's
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just one sentence that says looks like he got his drink or I guess he got his drink something to that effect which was
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a real pisser for me because it's kind of all right so let's go back hold on go ahead try to follow you so on Joey Le
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butte's Facebook page no no there was a uh article on like a local news website and I don't know if it was like Channel
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10 Channel 6. it was one of our local news stations had a had a story on Joey it might even even been
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columbusdispatch.com now that I think about it right and it's it's the article where they found Joey they're stating
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that they found him and uh in the Scioto River and it's a little brief about he had been missing for x amount of days he
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was believed to the last been at this location that sort of thing right so and then this guy post this uh C rubby falsi
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yeah Ruby see Ruby fallsey he post looks like he got his drink or or I guess he got his drink I don't I don't remember
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Verbatim what it was no yeah so the reason why this uh individual is probably setting up a Facebook page and so a lot
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of these online news outlets you have to log in through Facebook or whatever so you can
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post a comment uh so maybe that's why they're setting up a Facebook page yeah and what was weird was that you know I
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threw that comment I threw that in when we covered the case and and I did report
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that information to the Columbus Police Department and I did that because they took down whoever hosts that site took
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down this particular comment and I don't remember if they they may have even removed all comments from the story but
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there were most of the comments were normal things like all that that poor guy or somebody would post like oh I
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knew Joey he was a great guy smart kid you know things it was things that you're that you would expect to see and
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then I come across this one well it's almost like this really bad joke like as the person's reading the article it pops
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in their head oh looks like he got his drink which which is a real pisser because not only was Joey found in water
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but it's believed he was probably drugged and that it's likely his the drug came through a drink but what I'm
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saying is could this be again just a really stupid joke we know the guy went missing from a bar now he's found in the
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water oh you know just like I said not a funny joke just some stupid joke that came into the guy's head while he's
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reading the article and he posted thinking oh I'll be kind of cruel um well yeah just it's a classless
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distasteful comment you know um and the thing was when I mentioned that on our show what was pretty cool
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was a bunch of the listeners I received a bunch of email from several listeners saying hey I've seen that
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um I've seen that profile or I've seen that person post on other stories leaving strange or rude comments on on
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other tragic stories you know there was a not just Columbus stories uh most of them are Ohio bass stories so
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does it say I mean we know okay first of all I mean it's easy to find this guy he
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works at the world's largest ball of yarn which is probably only like three or four employees so right I mean how
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many people can you fit in that well likely so let me give you some examples of these uh of the yarn of
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these poor uh comments so multiple comments oh he's done this like he or she actually I I can say he with
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certainty I know who this person is but um he has left comments probably a dozen
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that were presented to me okay so there's probably a lot more of them out there than that but this is what was
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emailed to me from a few different people but just a couple quick examples there was one of a a woman who was just
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27 years old her body was found on the side of the road and I won't go into detail about her or her case because
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it's something completely separate but this this person this man commented something like to the effect that this
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woman is a street pharmacist well what was real shitty about that comment was the other posters
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the other people posting comments on that story were her family members where you know her family was re we're reading
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this story and we're commenting on this story and actually a little bit of retaliation to this C Ruby falsey and
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then there was another one the weird one too that seems strange was there was a U.S Airman who vanished in Italy and he
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was later found in a river this was staff sergeant helix or Helix hail I believe is how you say his name he was
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24 four years old from Middleton Middletown Indiana sorry he was stationed over in Italy in the Air Force
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they find him dead in the river and see Ruby falsey has commented on that article as well
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right which is possibly uh you know like talking with William Ramsey I mean these cases um you know he
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picked 30 of the cases that he's been looking at to add onto his list or coming from all over the world oh wow so
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you're you're talking about here's this other individual he's 24 years old I don't know how where he went missing
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from or whatever but they found him dead in water well okay that goes with you know part of the theory now we got this
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jackass that's posting uh what was he posted on the on that post he was just saying something about if you go to
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Europe don't use your debit card because they will steal your information and steal all your money from your your bank
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account and then he was further stating to not use any of your credit cards while
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you're there as well because they will steal that information and max out your card
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[Music] that's really all he had to say he didn't say anything as rude as he did
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when he commented on Joey's page yeah so it's not not rude at all really it's just weird it's but you would agree yeah
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it's strange like it seems like a strange comment to post on on a tragic story yeah but or maybe
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it's a clue talking about credit cards or debit cards that's interesting is that some
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you know did this guy go to a bar and well now that you said Okay so this guy the U.S Airman
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um he he was last seen at a party he was like okay okay I just want to stop real quick because
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the thing that I forgot to mention is William Ramsey talks about when he Narrows down his his group of people
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that he concentrates on right okay um of the of all these missing college students it's their last scene at a bar
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or a party drinking yeah and then they end up in water so this guy this might be actually in the documentary like I
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said it's it's pretty long about three hours or so but it's you know William did a lot of research so
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check that out this man was found uh he was last seen at this party I'm I don't remember 100 Captain but it seemed to me
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like from what I read it would be a party that I would expect the drinks to be flowing you know I mean like every
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every party the drinks should be flowing this was like where I'm out Backyard Barbecue bunch of people having a great
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time you know having a fantastic evening and then this guy is found in the water
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the strange thing though is he's found it wearing nothing but like a bathing like swimming trunks or you know
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something you would expect somebody to swim in I don't know if if this individual if there was swimming going
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on at the party or like you know volleyball or something that would would make him wear this to the party and he
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was a victim or did he get did he get drunk and get super strength you know this is something that I'm I'm
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this is something that happens to men sometimes the we drink and we think we're capable
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of things that we're not we're probably not capable of them that happens to women too When You're Sober
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and you know did he did he stripped down to his his swimming trunks and decide hey I'm gonna go swim in that
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River real quick you know one night I got one night I got hammered and I I was in South Carolina
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or Florida I can't remember but the whole backyard of this place had these really tall palm trees you know no no
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branches sticking out the side just a tall skinny tree but but strong and I was staring at this one this one
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tree I swear to God it was staring at me all night like teasing and taunting me and after about 15 beers I decided I'm
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going to climb that palm tree you know because you see the people on TV they kind of like hook their arms around the
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trunk and then they put their feet on the sides and they just kind of scoot up the tree like like like a monkey or
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something and this was your thought that you'll just climb it I thought you know
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I've seen this on TV it can't be that hard um I managed to get about two feet in there no I I did okay but
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but the the height of this tree I was nowhere near the top so I probably had the bottom of my feet were probably
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about eight seven or eight feet off the ground not so bad for 15 beers right but then when
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I realized hey like I can't climb this tree like it's not going to happen I decided the best method to getting back
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to the ground was just sliding down the tree which don't do that do not do that because I I every every piece of Flesh
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that was exposed at that moment was cut up I was I was cut up by this tree yeah yeah but that's a CrossFit thing where
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if you climb up the Rope the first time most people get up the Rope they're like
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I did it and then they just slide I slide down and rope burn and they just rip their skin right off their hands so
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with this individual Sergeant staff sergeant Helix hail I would love to know if if he would have wore this outfit if
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if he wore the swimming trunks to this party because then then he may look more like a victim as where it is plausible
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that he decided hey I'm gonna take a dip In this River real quick yeah and it's weird though too like like
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I said it might be this individual trying to point to some evidence but he's on a party not a bar bar you take
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the credit card but you bring up something interesting though because what if this guy has knowledge or or was
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with this individual and they stopped off somewhere and this individual used their debit card or credit card and this
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is kind of his way of taunting further taunting people like hey if you would check his records you would know that he
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that wasn't that party was not his last stop of the night right okay so what's another comment he's made
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do you have another one um I didn't go through I didn't go through all of them um any okay so I did go through all of
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them when I when they were received right when they sent them to me however if you try to go back through them now
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which I did last week I attempted to go back through them a lot of these articles are old you know
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they're a year old two years old whatever because we covered that show in 2016 or that case in 2016 years and now
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2018. oh [ __ ] so two years ago is when I received all these emails from our beautiful beautiful listeners but very
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handsome when I go back and try to check now a lot of these stories the all the comments have been removed yeah a lot of
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times when they have jackasses posting stuff they'll just you know enable the the comment section so one individual
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took this a step further and decided to trace guy or girl I'm sorry one individual that took this
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a step further guy girl I I'm going off memory here but I think it was a guy okay so they took this a step further
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and decided to trace that Facebook profile to find that the individual is a man who lives in Columbus oh great yeah
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and when and I I actually had this information pretty quickly after we covered Joey's case wait hold on a
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second it says it says right here he lives in the garage it's you undersc Ruby falsy yeah and I
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have this individual's real name and an address and that has been passed along to the Columbus Police Department and
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I'll tell you what at the time Captain how old is this [ __ ] um this person would be older than Joey
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I don't want to give out too much personal information about this person the poster the commenter older than 40.
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um younger than 40. younger than 40. okay and I just say that because look it could just be some we don't want to send
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a bunch of people on a Witch Hunt you know I mean this guy might he might only be guilty of being a classless
00:31:08
loser who likes to put weird strange uh comments on people's on people's news stories or or has some issues I mean as
00:31:16
far as mental issues or or I mean or maybe just just lonely and a disco sound you know again oh man
00:31:26
you're just uh you're just you know putting pads around people and stuff but it's true this guy could just be lonely
00:31:34
and he has uh interest in True Crime right and he's researching these cases because he's these are normally
00:31:44
happening on news articles right not just some simple Facebook post or right I'm sure they're happening in
00:31:54
other places too and I'm sure he has multiple accounts in the C Ruby falsi or whatever it's just one of his accounts
00:32:01
but just hear me out what I'm saying is if this individual could be lonely and instead of using their time to research
00:32:10
and try to do good in the world they throw out some dumbass comments here and there and just to see if they can get
00:32:17
somebody riled up well at the time when I received this information Captain I was I thought
00:32:24
maybe this is the guy and he could be maybe he is responsible for for Joey Le butte's death I don't know
00:32:32
I'm not saying that he is it's a possibility because that case is still unsolved we do not know the perpetrator
00:32:38
of that crime but this individual in 2016 the year that Joey went missing he lived about a seven minute drive from
00:32:46
the union Cafe he lives extremely close to the sciota river which does not make me feel good at all but well no and then
00:32:54
and doesn't mean that this person has to be necessarily involved in the the U.S Airman going missing
00:33:02
because like we said go back to the William Ramsey idea the theory that one individual is feeding other individuals
00:33:11
ideas of how to commit these crimes there's a network of people so is it possible that you get this creepo in
00:33:17
Columbus he lives really close to the union lives close to the river a boy goes missing boy is found in the
00:33:24
river and guess what else this person is researching not only the crime that they
00:33:29
committed but crimes that were committed by these people that possibly taught them things or or people that they're
00:33:36
corresponding with or just crimes that are similar in nature you know right um but here's the thing you know I sh I
00:33:44
after making sure that this information made it to the proper authorities I then
00:33:49
showed a new drive by the guy's house no no um actually but you know what when we
00:33:55
did when you and I did that interview for six was it 614 magazine yeah the bar that we went to to do that
00:34:05
interview this person lives very close to that bar or did in 2016. hmm like kind of a
00:34:12
hipster like if if we could have um so you're saying he was a hips like a good NFL punter could have punted a ball
00:34:21
from from the bar we were at to this this person's dwelling yeah that's a that's a weird
00:34:27
area though because it's somewhat artsy somewhat hipster and then somewhat just really poor there are some really poor
00:34:35
spots in that area and that's an area they're trying to to um bring back to life a little bit yeah
00:34:41
I've gotten some tattoos in that area and it's like fun when you're driving your friend back there and they're like
00:34:46
where the hell are we going where are you taking me you're like dude we're going to this abandoned warehouse to get
00:34:52
tattoos well we went to a warehouse that looked abandoned from the outside to get
00:34:56
our pictures taken for that hey it still looked abandoned once we got inside that's true now so here's the thing once
00:35:05
I made sure this was sent to the proper authorities I then showed a couple you know because sometimes I like to get
00:35:10
another person's perspective on these things so I showed this to a friend of mine I said look this is where
00:35:17
this individual lives and I didn't give the name then and I won't give the name now this is where okay we get that you
00:35:22
don't have to the individual lives and here's the Google route to the union Cafe and they're like oh [ __ ] that's
00:35:30
that's pretty close seven minute drive and then I said but yeah and you know look how close this individual lives to
00:35:37
the river which is even scarier because you think about all the access points of
00:35:41
that River and they my friend kind of like over the top flipped out like all this is the guy this and then I had to
00:35:48
remind my friend it's a river so a lot of people live very close to it it's a it's a big sprawling body of water you
00:35:56
know so many many people live close to it I don't think his proximity makes this person any more guilty than you
00:36:03
know yeah but I mean with the proximity to the bar proximity to the river and the proximity to the computer that
00:36:11
you're leaving shitty comments about this case so I mean that that's a shitty comment the
00:36:17
the comment about the air man I I don't even know what to make of that that's just a little strange it seems to me
00:36:24
look at the time I thought this guy could have killed Joey and then then as time has gone by I I hope that
00:36:33
that information was looked at by police I hope that they gave this guy a phone call or checked him out well look
00:36:39
give the guy a phone call check the guy out but if he has no connection which we
00:36:44
believe or at least I believe that the person responsible for Joey's death no connection I'm not a family member
00:36:53
he's not a co-worker that's not somebody they dated this is somebody that got a hold of Joey maybe through a
00:37:03
dating app possibly and this is what is what I believe and therefore you have little to no connection and that's what
00:37:11
kind of what William Ramsey was talking about no if you're going to commit a crime like
00:37:17
this and you don't know the individual the chances of you getting caught go down dramatically so I I believe you
00:37:27
know the crazy thing is when William first started kind of talking or when I started watching this
00:37:33
documentary and then was able to talk to him it really kind of seemed like you know
00:37:39
you know man William definitely disagree on some of his theories as far as the West Memphis Three and some of his
00:37:46
theories are far-reaching and they stretch out a little bit a little bit too far from my reach
00:37:52
but the more I was looking into these different cases that he presented the more and more it was
00:38:00
like well [ __ ] what if there is this network because you know look at you know Bruce
00:38:07
MacArthur which they just uh I don't know if I I told you this yet but they just went back and searched his house
00:38:14
again and searched his property again and I don't know if this is from him talking or if they got information from
00:38:19
somewhere else so now they have more remains and they think there's going to be even more remains than that found so
00:38:25
I think he was roughly thinking that it might have been responsible for nine you know when it's all said and done it
00:38:32
could be double that right and it's like that same scenario and this is kind of what we were talking about was this idea
00:38:38
that okay here's how you do it now let's say five people follow or 10 people follow well now you got these
00:38:47
similar crimes happening all over the country and you don't and none of these people are connected to the victims and
00:38:54
so now it becomes even you know so again um I don't want to get too far off what
00:38:58
you were saying but yeah law enforcement gets this lead you contact them other people contact them they contact this
00:39:06
individual c Ruby falsely open up your goddamn door you son of a [ __ ] he opens
00:39:12
up the door you got nothing if he doesn't say anything he got nothing and if you don't have any DNA from Joey
00:39:19
which you probably don't because he's found in water then what you got got nothing
00:39:26
you know right yeah and that's what sucks but a good a good starting place for that though is
00:39:34
if you if if the image if the you know if this guy if you could place him at the union cafe
00:39:41
or place him at one of those bars that night you know we're talking both those places are very busy bars there would
00:39:49
have been a lot of people there you you would hope that somebody may have saw something or saw somebody hanging out
00:39:56
with Joey well let me say this and and you can't agree or disagree seven minute drive is not that long right if you're
00:40:04
in like a suburb if you're in the country in seven minutes in this location you're going to pass a lot of
00:40:11
businesses a lot of houses yes yeah that's my point so yes seven we go seven minutes in the suburbs that's nothing in
00:40:19
the country that's nothing in the city that's a little more because for an individual to one parking
00:40:25
and stuff this individual lives in an area that they could walk to a bar and have a drink
00:40:31
could walk to several bars before they get to the Union why they go into the Union sure I mean so so it is a little
00:40:39
bit further away um yeah I don't think the proximity of this individual has is any bit of a tell
00:40:48
right but here's the thing if you can like use it not even just if you can place them in the union or in
00:40:55
the bar across the street if you can place them within a mile because a lot of those bars the problem
00:41:01
is this happened so long ago you probably didn't get security footage of all these places
00:41:08
they claim that they did get some stuff I know they have footage from the union but if this person was on a dating app
00:41:17
you know because a lot of these dating apps when you go on there you swipe left or swipe right
00:41:22
I think right is good left is bad um here's my knowledge of dating apps you want me to tell you my knowledge go
00:41:32
ahead so I decide to try one there's a tender Bumble all these different ones so I
00:41:41
decided to try one now it started because my friend was like I used to try one of these dating apps so we're at a
00:41:48
bar they grabbed my phone they set the whole thing up right then they swiped left or right all night
00:41:55
right so these are chick friends of mine and I just went okay so they swiped a bunch
00:42:03
of Left To Rights and I don't know what they who they swiped and because you know
00:42:09
whatever right so the next day I go there's some matches whatever and I just go this is silly you know I didn't set
00:42:17
this up so I deleted it about a week later goes by and I go you know what I should you know I'm single I
00:42:24
should try this out so I set it up you know my profile here's my picture so this is a sexy picture of the captain
00:42:32
you know put a couple pectorial pictures you know a couple dick pics no I'm just joking what's up
00:42:39
my profile then it goes to the part where you gotta start swiping first person that asked me to swipe on
00:42:48
left or right to choose was my friend that set up the app a week ago so to decline them
00:42:58
the next one was the girl that was sitting next to her helping her so I declined her and then I get a text
00:43:05
message just no lie I'm on the app I just got it so I can swipe left or right I swiped two people to the left and I
00:43:14
get a text message from the first girl that I swiped to the left saying hey uh my co-worker just told me that you're a
00:43:21
tender or Bumble whichever one I did right okay she's a big fan of the show and I went oh God oh God so then I
00:43:31
deleted the whole thing but what I do know is that you have this proximity thing so like if you're in a mile of the
00:43:39
union and Joey's in a mile of the union and you like search for people in the area
00:43:46
you can like match or not match right so I think a lot of this information or a lot of the
00:43:53
keys to some of these cases being solved which I do think a lot of these individuals are being drugged by
00:44:00
somebody but they're also possibly like connecting with these I'm just throwing out a crazy Theory here but what if you
00:44:09
got on one of these apps and you connected this guy connected with Joey right now they're messaging back and
00:44:14
forth right not text messaging but messaging through the app he figures out where Joey's at so then he goes there
00:44:21
and maybe he looks different than the profile pic that he put out right okay and so so he doesn't know who it is
00:44:30
right this guy could walk by him all night long Joey doesn't know who it is right right drug the guy
00:44:38
Joey starts leaving you follow the guy see what I'm saying do you think if let's say the last spot that Joey was
00:44:48
was Union cafe or that CD bar across the street do you think it's more likely that
00:44:55
Joey was abducted we should say abducted because if somebody drugs you and leads
00:45:01
you off somewhere that's abduction do you think he was abducted by someone that that was possibly on one of these
00:45:08
dating apps or do you think it's more likely that it was just somebody some kind of random person that happened
00:45:14
to be in the same location as Joey that night no I think um this is like hunting
00:45:22
I really think that's what it's like and I think um what one thing I'd like to know which I don't know and I've
00:45:29
tried to look it up and I couldn't find so if anybody could find I would like please send the information to me uh
00:45:36
captain at True Crime garage dot com but what I couldn't find out is was the sciota river
00:45:42
searched within those that that two-week period I believe before Joey was found I believe it was I believe
00:45:51
that it was and I think that we reported that it was but I'm going off a memory from two years ago I think there are
00:45:57
there were dispatch Columbus Dispatch articles that stated that the police had searched portions of the river
00:46:04
and I think that once he was found it there was some thought that he could have been
00:46:11
there's like no comfortable way to discuss this he could have been wedged under something or waited and then for
00:46:18
some reason the he became unwedged or or lost the weights and then was later because I believe he was snagged like he
00:46:27
would have gone with the current but I believe he was snagged like there was there's an area that kind of hooks out
00:46:33
and I think it kind of caught it caught his body and that's where he was found one obviously if you search
00:46:42
a place that's as big as the sciota like it's possible that you're not going to find the industry but but what I believe
00:46:49
I believe this is sicker Twisted more Twisted it's darker than anybody thinks I think these individuals are going
00:46:58
after people they're targeting them they're finding their profile information through online
00:47:04
apps or whatever they're they're they have their plan hatched they Implement their plan
00:47:13
and it doesn't have to go perfect but as long as it goes somewhat to plan they're
00:47:17
they're safe nobody knows who they are Joey probably didn't even know who this individual was like I said they could
00:47:24
use fake pictures and stuff to lure this person in but I believe that these individuals are taken somewhere
00:47:32
for a time period for what I don't know I'm going to just throw that out there I
00:47:37
think it's Dark Twisted torture that's what I believe it is and then then they're being dumped but I
00:47:45
think they're being dumped after the fact of a place being searched and almost as a way to go yeah I know you
00:47:52
searched there but now you'll find a body and by knowing that then you should know or should at least put together the
00:48:00
pieces that this individual is somewhere else and I I bet the autopsies become a
00:48:06
lot harder to do once the body is submerged in water for that long oh yeah but I guarantee you
00:48:12
that he didn't die the night he went missing you know well that's my gut feeling and
00:48:18
here's Okay so did you do you have any more updates for me on Brian Shaffer or uh Joey Le Bute
00:48:25
before I take off because you mentioned you had updates and I just wanted to make sure we did you know I don't have
00:48:31
an update on Joey but I did get a text message from Nicholas West uh he's doing the the podcast is called
00:48:39
come back the Brian Shaffer story I've listened to I don't know four or five episodes I'm not caught up
00:48:48
on it yet but you know me and you have been so busy with the the weekly show plus now this bonus show
00:48:54
this is my favorite show to record though because it's just you just hit record and go
00:49:01
um let me pull up this uh text message it's from so Nicholas West we stayed in contact
00:49:11
and uh so I sent him a text message basically just a snapshot of hey I'm you know I'm
00:49:19
on episode four right he sends me a email that says and it's written from somebody else to
00:49:28
somebody else right but he basically says I just want to get keep you guys updated on this one
00:49:34
namus could not exclude uh could not exclude using the dental records from the uhr did we did we discuss this on
00:49:49
with mics turned on yet about the the possible lead of the Brian Shafer case no but we could I think we
00:49:59
maybe we can dive that into that next week that would be great um because it's a little a little Hefty
00:50:05
to to cram in here in the last minute or two okay so but basically on the lead that we gave them they don't
00:50:13
know yet but there's another uh lead that they're looking into that um I think there was a John Doe in
00:50:23
Pittsburgh so basically um we gave them a lead we'll we'll talk about that lead next week it seems like
00:50:32
you know off the Record it's just becoming the Brian Shafer Brian Shafer podcast well it's it is a case that has
00:50:39
been important to us as what as is the Joey Le Bute case um these were gentlemen that were
00:50:47
roughly our same age and from the same area and it's it both stories are tragic there's still hope for Brian Shaffer
00:50:55
obviously but what I'm hoping is that let's let's keep Joey's story alive because this thing needs to be solved we
00:51:04
need to get Justice for his family they did have a fantastic uh like Memorial and I believe this was in March of 2017
00:51:12
at Goodale Park uh for Joey Le Butte and it was a big turnout there were a lot of
00:51:18
people there to celebrate Joey's life um so they're you know if you're if you're the the individual responsible
00:51:25
for this don't feel like just because we're a couple years removed that they're that you're out of the woods
00:51:32
because there were so many people that loved and cared so much about Joey they're they're still looking for you
00:51:39
and they're not going to let his his story go silent hey and see Ruby see Ruby falsely
00:51:48
if he can explain why you're doing this I'd be happy to hear you now captain captain at True Crime garage.com well
00:51:58
and here's the thing get a new hobby see Ruby falsely and if you're not responding and see yeah see Ruby falsy
00:52:05
is like school on Sunday no class no class [Music] [Applause]