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and then come back and join us. That's right. That's enough of the business. Gather around, grab a chair, grab some
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more beer, and let's talk some true crime. We have part two of our disappeared case. We are talking about
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Emma Filipof who disappeared from Victoria, British Columbia. She was aged 26. She disappeared November 28th,
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2012. So, we have a missing woman here, Captain. Right. And some say she had been acting strange. And it also appears
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that maybe she might have been planning something on the day that she went missing. Maybe a move or a travel off
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somewhere. We don't know. I'm wondering, we talked about this. We wondered if the
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van was operational that she had that was towed away that morning. And we believe it was operational, but maybe
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not to have the ability to travel long distances. Yeah. Because it it could have just been need in need of repair.
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Um we in this van. Okay. After she disappeared, they figured out that there were some items, some personal
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belongings of hers that were found in her red Mazda MPV. You want me to read those off? Yeah, read off your
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belongings or her belongings. So, it was a red Mazda. What is it? MPV and it was
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a 93. So, for those of you that don't know, an MPV is actually a very cool van. I've always wanted one. It's It
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looks like a traditional uh minivan, but the cool thing about the MPV, it's an actual uh all-wheel drive vehicle. It's
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a four-wheel drive. So in the vehicle they found a passport, a library card, a digital camera, some clothes, uh pillow,
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a laptop, and recently uh checked out books from the library. Yeah, she frequented the library. There were books
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that she had checked out and they also found uh several of her journals. Now, we had talked about her movements on the
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28th, on the day that she went missing, and we know that she went to the 7-Eleven twice, right? And on one
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occasion, she picked up a prepaid credit card, and on another occasion, she came
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back and picked up a prepaid cell phone. Now, what are the leads in this case, right? Where do we go from the point
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where she disappeared? So, one would want to track either that cell phone or that prepaid credit card, right? Mhm.
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So, we have the prepaid credit card. It was tracked down. Uh, they found out that it was being used by a man. He used
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it to purchase cigarettes. He purchased cigarettes with the card. The man was located. He was questioned,
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fingerprinted, and even polygraphed. Uh, his claim is that he found the card in the street. Uh, this was about, I
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believe, 10 kilometers from where Emma had talked to police where she was last. It was around the hotel, I believe. Mhm.
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And uh he had used it. He said he'd found it in the street. And because they questioned him thoroughly and they gave
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him the polygraph, they believe him to be totally honest about how he came about finding this credit card or
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prepaid card. Yeah. This individual also contacted Shelly and Shel is Emma's mother. Shel runs uh a Facebook group on
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I don't know if she runs it, but she's very involved Finding Emma uh Facebook group. You might want to check that out.
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But he contacted her basically saying like I I told the police what I believe, but I'm an alcoholic and I could have
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blacked out and I'm not 100% sure where I found this item at. He could have found it. Somebody could have gave it to
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him. He could have bought it off of somebody. Sometimes that happens. He even said that he could have got it from
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her. He doesn't know. That's interesting. Um and well, here's the thing with the polygraph, though, right?
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It's it if if he's telling you what he thinks happened, it's he's going to pass the polygraph. I mean, if he if he just
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has no freaking idea how he got the thing, you can't catch him in a lie. He just doesn't know, right? Uh we don't
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know what questions were administered during that test. And uh but for whatever reason, I mean, it's probably
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started off where where did you find the credit card? Yeah. Yeah, that's probably
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one of the questions. But, uh, for whatever reason, the authorities believe him to be as honest as he could be about
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how he came about finding the card. Now, regarding the prepaid cell phone, uh, this cell phone has not been located,
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but according to the company, uh, the phone has never been activated or used, right? Um, so that that lead kind of
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dies down there. But I think what it's coming I think where you're going with this though is that it seems to me that
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she was planning to leave based on getting the uh prepaid prepaid credit card and getting the cell phone. One
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thing that I would ask um well I was going to say ask myself but uh I would go ahead ask yourself we'll wait we'll
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wait. I would ask anybody involved in this case forever. Why? Why do you need a prepaid credit card when she has a
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debit card that has access to just under $3,000? Is there is there something that
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you can't purchase using a debit card that you need to purchase with a prepaid credit card or is it just for the fact
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of you don't want that purchase linked to you, right? You know, because you don't have to give a name when you buy a
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prepaid credit card. You just you just have this set amount that you can spend on whatever. That's an interesting
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point. You know, I'd always wondered about that. Now, you touched on uh you talked about Emma's mother, Shelley.
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Now, we should point out that her mother stayed in the city of Victoria. And again, this is very far from Shel's
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home. She stayed there. This is across the country. Yeah, it's it's a 45minute drive. I don't know how long it takes to
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fly there. 45minut drive. A 45 hour drive. Sorry. It's across the country. It's hard, too. It's a little loosey
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goosey right now. It's very late in the garage. But anyway, Victoria uh is where
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she was staying and this is far from her home. You know, she had pets and more importantly, she had other children to
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look after. Some of these are older kids. Um but she stayed there to look for Emma and to help create awareness
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regarding Emma's disappearance. Yeah. So, originally her plan was that she was going to stay for possibly 3 days. That
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was her original plan. I'm going to I'm going to get my plane ticket, head out there. I'm going to bring my daughter
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home or at least see what's going on with her because she's been calling me over and over. So, she gets out there.
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Mhm. Can't find her. They do the missing uh person report and she figured, well,
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I'm just going to stay here for these three days and she's going to turn up. After those three days, she doesn't turn
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up. And so, she says, "Well, I'm going to stay a week." And she figured I will be able to find her within a week.
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Doesn't find her within a week. I believe she ends she ends up staying in that hotel for close to three months.
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Yeah, it was it was right around the two month or over two month mark. Um now, but you like you had said she believes
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she's going to find her daughter obviously uh for several reasons. One, the authorities tell her, you know,
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given her age, uh she might just be out with friends. She might just be, you know, she's in her mid20s. She might
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just be out partying somewhere. she may have uh tied one on and not come home, you know, or not checked into the
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shelter. Uh the other thing to think about here too is she was living somewhat of a transient lifestyle. You
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know, she was staying on a on a house boat or boats. I don't know how big these boats were, if you could even call
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them a housebo, but she was staying on boats. She asked the caption. She had she had stayed at friends homes. She had
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stayed in the shelter. And for all we know, she may have even slept a night or two in her van. Um, and then the tree
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tree. Yeah. So, she's living a transient lifestyle. She could turn up any day. And that's really what her mother
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expected to happen, but did not happen. And she ends up staying there for just over two months. Um, and you know, this
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is a sticky situation, right? You know, you want to stay there obviously and look for your child. You want to stay
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and do anything you can, but you also have all these responsibilities at home and you have others that need you at
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home and it's just truly a terrible, terrible situation. Yeah. But this is your daughter. You're going to do
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anything that you can, right? I think I think that's a a given. Any good mother would. And I think she was doing, you
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know, as much as she could, which I think, you know, God bless her on that. And I think you have to remain
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hopeful. But I also think that the cops were not only do we think that maybe she
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could have just like went and hung out with some friends and she'll turn up. But most of the cops don't believe that
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there was foul play at this point, right? They're thinking that, you know, she either is hanging out with somebody
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or she's she went missing on her own uh terms. And we talked about uh the documentary that had come out uh Finding
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Emma. And we should point out that that came about because of her mother, Shelley, right? She got in contact with
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somebody at the CBC and explained her daughter's story to them and they decided to cover it in this documentary.
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And it was because of this documentary, Finding Emma, that uh it created great awareness for the case. You know, it
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sent everybody everybody looking for Emma. And this creates some leads at first. Uh and and the first one that it
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comes up with is a Emma Filipof sighting. Uh this was somebody that had seen what he or she believed was Emma
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Filipof. Yeah. It was in a coffee shop. Yeah. And this was Have you seen this picture? This was Yes, I have. And this
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was in nearby Vancouver. Yeah. But right Vancouver, which has a huge homeless population. But when you saw this
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picture, what did you think? Uh, I thought the same thing that a lot of people thought. It it I mean, it looks
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just like her. Well, yeah. And it's And it's actually to the point where not even to the point where you say it looks
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just like her, it's it is her. You know what I mean? Uh, and actually, and that's exactly what occurred, you know,
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and and not only that, Captain, it's in a nearby proximity to where she went missing. Victoria is very close to the
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big big city of Vancouver. As you said, there is uh there is a homeless population there. So, there are people
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living a transient lifestyle. Um you know, and I believe I'm not I call that the ultimate transient lifestyle. Here's
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the other thing though. I I'm not certain, but I believe that Vancouver is like the Las Vegas of Canada. Not not
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with the gambling, but you know how like Las Vegas is considered No, I I don't know about that. But but Las Vegas is
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considered like the the culinary uh capital of the United States. You know, there's every expensive restaurant you
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can think of is in Las Vegas. And her having been a chef was interesting to me that that she might find her way to
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Vancouver where where you could earn a a good living doing that kind of that profession. Um, and as you but but
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here's the thing, too. It looks exactly like her. Everybody thinks that it's Emma, but not only that, it's
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it's of a a woman seen in a coffee shop. She was known to have visited coffee shops. Well, that's not that far of a
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stretch. Everybody visits coffee shops. Yeah, but I don't stay at a coffee shop.
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I I get in the aisle, I purchase something, and then I leave. But what I'm what I'm getting is not as cool as
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everybody else. quit sighing because what I'm getting at here is that Emma was known to have sat in coffee shops
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and and write in her journal and and stay there for a period of time. The person that said that they had seen her
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and they said that she was in the coffee shop writing. Yeah, this sounds this looks like Emma. I think in the picture
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she's reading but I'm not 100%. Yeah, but but so it looks like her. Looks like her and it's describing actions that she
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was known to have done. Right. So, here we go. It's her. We solved it. We found her. But then here comes the wrinkle.
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Well, well, before the wrinkle, the Philip officer shown the the picture and they say, like you said, it's over. The
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case is over. We found our daughter right now. Give us the wrinkle. Well, then the boyfriend of this girl contacts
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the authorities and says, "This is not Emma. This is my girlfriend." And that's basically it. Yeah, but they they
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ultimately locate the girl and know that Well, maybe it's not the boyfriend. I might have screwed that up. You did
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screw it up a little bit. Yeah, they end up locating the girl and they talk to her. Well, no, she came forward. That's
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what it was. And I watched a lot of stuff on this, man. And it's not her, unfortunately. It's not Emma. Um, it's
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just somebody else that that's cooler than me that sits in coffee shops and journals. Um, but the next lead is of
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well, okay, this can only be described. There's a few different names for this next lead. Some people call it the
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missing poster man. Some people call it the green shirt man. I call the green shirt man. You call it the green shirt
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man. I call it the weird dude man. Uh, this again is taking place in nearby Vancouver. This is about 6 months after
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Emma had disappeared. Mhm. A man, of course, wearing a green shirt and jeans, enters a small store.
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Yeah. Kind of boutique type store. Yeah. And he had he had removed a missing person's poster of Emma, right? And he's
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got it kind of like wound up or crumpled up in his hand. You can see it in the still pictures, right? I don't think
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they saw him or remove the the the poster. He just had a crumpled up poster in his hand. and he pretty rudely told
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the clerk that the picture was of his girlfriend and that she was not missing and that she just wants to be left
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alone. That's the story that I get confused with the coffee shop girl. Yeah. And he and he's very rude about
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this, right? And uh here's the thing. The man the the weird missing poster green shirt man dude, he's not
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been located. You know, the the authorities want to speak to this man. Well, let's go a little further because
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I might have some information that you didn't find. Fantastic. So, there was um with this Finding Emma Facebook page,
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again, if you have any any information, go check that out. But on their page, they were posting pictures of Emma or
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just posting different posts. So, this bar from Vancouver liked one of the things and it was talking about the the
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post was about the green shirt man. we're trying to find this guy and it was like a like and maybe this bar so the
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bar joined the group liked this post and at some point said like well look at that or something like the comment was
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look here or something like that and so meaning go ahead I don't know what it means so did they post a picture like
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are they are we supposed to look for something in the picture they're just posting a comment yeah they're just so
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so the Facebook group posted a picture of the green shirt man right on that picture that this bar liked it and then
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made some weird comment. Well, if you go to the Facebook page of this bar and you
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start sifting through their pictures, guess who's sitting at the bar? The green shirt man in a green shirt. I
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don't think he's in a green shirt, but but a guy matching the description of the green shirt man, right? And so I I
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believe um and this is what is been so great about uh the Facebook group. Uh they're not just sharing stuff on social
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media. They're actually going out and hitting the pavement and trying to follow these leads and really helping
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out uh Shelly and the Philip off family. So um big ups to you guys on the Facebook group. So I believe they went
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out to the bar and asked questions and they but they couldn't locate the guy. But it's still a little odd. Yeah. And
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the the store clerk uh from from the convenience store that we were talking about, he is the one that notifies the
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police after this encounter after he's on the wrong end of this rude verbal display by the green shirt man. Uh he
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notifies the authorities and they did have video footage of it. Like you said, there's some still pictures as well.
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Green shirt man. They should have called him the mean shirt man. And uh you know
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this guy has this is somebody that they obviously want to talk to. This is a man
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that has not come forward. I'd like to talk to him and which is you know which is very troubling. Yeah. It's just such
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an odd comment. This is my girlfriend and she's missing again. The only thing that I again maybe there's some weird
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mental thing going on with this guy. Maybe he's an alcoholic and he's just saying some weird stuff just to say
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weird stuff. Uh there's a I want to know what his intentions are for saying this
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comment. Oh, no. Exactly. And that's that's what everybody wants to know. That's the million-dollar question. And
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the the interesting thing here too for me is that, you know, when we talk about these different cases, whether it be a
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disappearance or a murder or anything like that, we have these weird hearsay incidences from time to time. Mhm. The
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difference here is this is captured his picture and image has been captured by the the you know we can see it on the
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footage from the convenience store. So we know this is not just some store clerk calling in saying this happened
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and we have to go off of what they're saying. We we can see it with our own eyes. We know this happened. We know
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they want to talk to this guy, but we don't know who he is. What are our other leads on this case here, Captain? I
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mean, we we talked about some some small leads, right? We talked about the cell phone, the the credit card, the uh the
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green mean shirt man, uh the the spotting of what we originally thought was Emma and turns out not to be her.
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These are all these are all short stories, right? We have a couple of long stories, I think, that are are are
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potential leads in this case. What do you want to dive into our friend Julianne again? Yeah, we well we we
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should, you know, um yeah, let's let's kick it off there. Okay, so again, like we talked about in part one, we we have
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this guy Julian that becomes friends um new friends with Emma and then she left in Perth. They become friends in Perth,
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Ontario, right, which is on one side of the country. All of a sudden, now Julian
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is in um Victoria. And this is very odd because what are the chances that you strike up this relationship with this
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girl? The relationship is then severed and then a couple months later you end up in Victoria and he runs into Emma.
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And and we have to point out here uh Julian by his own words states that he had no prior
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knowledge of where Emma was planning to move to. He had no prior knowledge. He he says he believed that she planned to
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move out west somewhere somewhere. Yeah. Um but you know that's a 45hour drive between Perth and where she ends up. So
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there's a lot of places west of Perth, right? Uh he he knows that she plans on moving out west and he happens to pick
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the same city. Yeah. And and he did an interview with the nighttime podcast. our our buddy Jordan um did that
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interview with him. You got to check that that out. Nighttime podcast and it's I think the third part, right?
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Yeah. And you want to he goes into more detail and he explains how he decided to
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pick uh Victoria. But but he's also honest like I had a good relationship with this girl even though it was
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severed. Uh I had a you know a fascination with her. She's a positive person in my life. I kind of wanted her
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to stay in my life. So, yeah, I hope I would see her again. So, he's working and one day he catches this girl as, you
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know, her eyes and it's Emma and they talk for a minute and he's at work and he's on lunch break and
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she says, "Oh, well, you know, uh, it was good running into you. We'll have to catch up." And she's asking about his
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work schedule and and stuff like that. Yeah. He says that she is pleasantly surprised by his Yeah. by seeing him.
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Yeah. And maybe, you know, and maybe she's one of those people that believe, okay, some time passed and and maybe she
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believes that the universe uh gives you certain things that you need and and sometimes the universe points you into
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the right direction. So anyways, they that's at lunchtime. He says to her, and and I applaud him being
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being a gentleman, "Hey, do you want to come back later and we'll catch up and take you out to eat?" And she says to
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him, "Well, you know, I don't like to plan things out that far in advance." Now, I believe she was just saying that
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as a, you know, nice way to say no. Uh, but then he runs into her a couple more times. Now, and he says, you know, we we
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can only go off of his story. You know, there's two sides to the story. We only get to hear one. There's three, but and
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uh the one side that we get to hear is his. And he says that I did I did not try to ask her for a number or you know
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where I could find her. I I told her where I worked because it was just you know a couple doors down from where they
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bumped into one another. Well, and I think she asked like, "What are you doing here? I'm working." Yeah. And he
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he he tells her and you know that if you ever want to hang out or if you ever want to catch up with me, you know where
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I work, just drop in and and ask for me. Yeah. And sometimes I think I think that's the best approach that you can
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have. I mean, you've had situations where maybe you're pushing the issue to have this friendship maybe too much. And
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so I think he was doing the right thing there where he's like, "Okay, I still am
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infatuated with this girl. I still enjoy hanging out with her." You know, he I mean, I think he made the comment that
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these 10 minutes that they talked were like some of the 10 best minutes of his life. But I mean, who knows? It could
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just be great conversation and and that's something that I love. Well, go ahead. But I mean, but whether he's
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still infatuated with her or not, it might be a great 10 minutes for him because he's in a new place. Maybe he
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doesn't know anybody yet and he sees a familiar person. And not only that, somebody that he considered to be a very
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good friend that he obviously wanted to be long-term friends with, right? And so
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then he he claims that he runs into her a couple more times, but the next time he runs into her, she's definitely
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something's off. She's not pleasantly surprised to see him the second time. Yeah. But and it but it's like weird
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because it's and I don't want to go into too many details because there's so much
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stuff in that interview that you need to check out, but basically the the the short end of the the stick is that he
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ran into her a couple more times and there was some kind of a friendship that that went on. Now, what he told Jordan
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in the interview, which he never even told authorities, was he saw her the day of November 28th and he saw her from
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across the street and she had no shoes on and you know, just like her other acquaintance said and he thought
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something was up, but again, he didn't want to push the issue cuz he's done that before. So he's just makes the
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statement to her, hey, if you will ever want to hang out sometime. And he and he
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kind of talks to her and he leaves. Now, what where we go from here is that we know that Emma went missing.
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Well, then Julian gets involved in the group. Now, at some point, um, he at some point, Julian sends
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Facebook messages to Emma's father, uh, and then I think eventually sends Facebook messages to Emma's mother, but
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Julian gets involved in the search. Well, and even before that, he had sent a Facebook message to her father because
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there was a concert in Victoria that he wanted to go to, right? and he was going
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to go. This wasn't something like he saw Emma and he was like, "Oh, I'm gonna go
00:27:55
to this concert." This was a concert he really wanted to go to and he thought, "Oh, I have somebody here that I know. I
00:28:02
could invite her." And I think according to him, he says in the Facebook message
00:28:07
to her father, James, you know, if if she gets in contact with you, if you can get in contact with her, let her know
00:28:14
I'm going to this concert. I have an extra ticket and she could just drop by my store, right? Uh he works at like
00:28:20
some kind of outdoor store. I don't know exactly what that means, but um yeah, I
00:28:25
was trying to sum it up quick because like it's it's a long interview and there's a lot of details and so if you
00:28:30
really want to dive in that, check out the nighttime podcast. But so there's some weird stuff and and in one of the
00:28:37
Facebook messages, he he says that he was stalking. Now, this is coming from a guy that is French, so some of his the
00:28:45
choice of words that he uses sometimes off, right? So, it's interesting that he saw her the day she went missing and
00:28:52
then he gets a part of this group. Well, then this is where it gets weird is because now people are going this guy's
00:29:00
gestures, there's some creepy stuff about it. Mhm. And I think he's well aware of that, too. And and I think most
00:29:06
guys have been in a situation where maybe you're a little too infatuated with somebody and you do some things
00:29:13
that are borderline creepy, maybe borderline stalker, but you don't see it at the time. You just see I like this
00:29:20
girl. I'm a nice guy. You you know what I mean? Like Oh yeah. Yeah. He checks all those boxes. Yes. Yes. Yes. Yes.
00:29:27
Yes. Yes. He checks all So then as they can't find Emma, well, he becomes a suspect.
00:29:34
and he he then since removes himself from the group and has not really helped much in in the search anymore. Uh but
00:29:43
law enforcement wants to talk to him. So they bring him in and he figures that they're going to question him about the
00:29:48
disappearance of Emma. But how does he get involved in the search, right? He he bumps into her mother. Yeah. But Right.
00:29:57
No, but he actually hears from one of his friends that Emma's missing. Right. So, so that's because it's national news
00:30:05
at this point. So, he inserts himself in the the search, but I guess you would too. I mean, first of all, this girl is
00:30:12
from Perth where you're from, and now she's in Victoria, where you're at now, and she went missing, and you don't have
00:30:20
any friends here, or a small group of friends, if you have any. And so you insert yourself in the search because
00:30:26
this is a good person that you admire, that you had some infascination with, and you're going to try to uh help any
00:30:33
way you can. I agree with all that. But what I'm saying is he doesn't like walk into a police station and say, "Hey, I
00:30:39
knew her from Perth and I've seen her here a couple times. How can I help?" No, he bumps into her mother at a
00:30:49
library. um the library that uh that Emma was known to have gone to from time to time. And was he going there to help
00:30:58
and look for Emma? We don't know. Was he going there to look for Emma's mother and then insert himself into the the
00:31:05
search or the investigation? Right. We don't know his is his Yeah. We don't know what his agenda
00:31:12
was. and and maybe he thought simply I I I'll help I'm going to help them find her and then uh brownie points for me,
00:31:20
you know, so I can get closer to them. Look, I don't know. And some of the stuff he did was a little weird. And
00:31:26
like I said, it borders creepy. It borders stalker. Some of it it's like he's putting his toe over the line and
00:31:33
kind of dancing. But anyways, the they give him a lie detector, right? and he passes the
00:31:40
polygraph and he even states in the interview that I didn't think they were going to talk about murder. They were
00:31:47
going to talk about her disappearance. And so when they started asking questions about, you know, did you
00:31:53
murder Emma? He just I think he just kind of shut down altogether. Again, that said, once the Finding Emma
00:32:02
documentary came out, he then went and had a conversation with Jordan, our buddy, uh, doing a podcast. And I feel
00:32:11
like if he had something to hide, that he wouldn't do an interview, right? And it's a long interview. And what Jordan
00:32:18
said was, I contacted him, I talked to him for about an hour on the phone, he didn't want to do the interview, and
00:32:24
eventually just called back and said, "I'll do it." because he wanted to clear his name. So, not only did he take the
00:32:31
polygraph, but he also did this interview on the nighttime podcast and and he was in the uh documentary as
00:32:38
well. Yeah. Yeah, he's in in uh and that's the thing. He did some on camera interviews for the documentary. Uh so,
00:32:46
he seems to be helpful. Um and I know that here's the reason why the nighttime podcast interview is a must listen. uh
00:32:56
because it's a lengthy interview. It's extremely interesting, but very well produced. But but here's the other
00:33:03
thing, right? There are a lot of things that he says in there. Uh you know, not our friend Jordan, obviously, Jillian,
00:33:10
the the the suspect. There are a lot of things that Jillian says in there that makes him sound very guilty. There are
00:33:17
things in there that he says that make him sound very innocent. Uh and there's there's a portion in there, too. I can't
00:33:25
remember if it was right at the end or near the end of the interview, but it sounds like he is he's breaking down a
00:33:34
little bit. Like he's getting choked up emotionally. He's the emotions are coming out and and and and I mean in a
00:33:41
way of somebody that is truly hurt by the disappearance of this woman. Well, not only is he probably hurt that she
00:33:50
disappeared, but he's also hurt that he's being after this documentary came out, you know, even though he he was
00:33:58
cooperative, he passed these tests, people are still pointing the finger at this guy. And I think that really
00:34:05
bothered him cuz he's just like and it also bothers him too. I mean, think about this way. People go, "Oh, well,
00:34:11
you were her acquaintance." Well, you I guess in definition he was an acquaintance because they were only
00:34:19
friends for a little bit of time, but they they were building a friendship and and a friendship has to start somewhere.
00:34:27
And he considered her a friend. He considered somebody that's uh positive in his life. And I think it's sad and
00:34:33
and yeah, you can see some creepy stuff in his interview, but at the same time, he's opening himself up and he's
00:34:41
allowing himself to be vulnerable and he didn't have to do that. and and I commend him for doing such. And I think
00:34:48
uh I think it cleared up a lot of stuff in my mind because as you start diving into the case, you start going, well,
00:34:55
maybe this, you know, quote unquote stalker guy. And we only call him a stalker and most people only call him a
00:35:01
stalker because in one of the emails to the father, he used the word stalker. Well, and that's how he's been labeled
00:35:08
by others, by the general public. He's we're not we don't mean to label him that. It's just but law enforcement does
00:35:14
not label him as a stalker. And yeah, and they they don't know if he's even involved in anything. I I don't think he
00:35:23
is. Um I I think Okay, that's fine. I think he's a little misunderstood. I'm with
00:35:30
you on that. I think he's misunderstood. I think I don't understand him, that's for sure. And uh yeah, but he doesn't
00:35:37
come off as there there there is some sweetness and no in his tone. I agree with that 100%. But the thing that I
00:35:47
keep kind of going back to here is on a scale of 1 to 10, how weird is it that he ends that he goes from Perth to
00:35:56
Victoria and and she's in Victoria? I mean, come on. On a scale of 1 to 10, that's at
00:36:02
least a nine, right? That's very close to a 10. I wonder sometimes if it's just maybe heard conversation in passing. So
00:36:10
when he was picking, he was like, "Oh yeah, well this Victoria checks off all these things on my list, but he had some
00:36:17
reasons for going there." You're exactly right. Yeah. Well, he had tons of reasons and and his current employer
00:36:22
when he was in Perth was had people that had rentals out there. So it was like, "Okay, well now I know where I can get
00:36:29
housing." He had a lead on a job and but I think there was something in his back
00:36:35
of his head that like maybe this comment that Emma made where if she was going to
00:36:40
go out west it would be one of these cities. Mhm. And I I think he knew that on some level and was just hopeful. I
00:36:48
don't think Look, I mean it's a very difficult thing when you find somebody and you
00:36:54
really enjoy their company, you really enjoy looking at them. It's a I mean it's a big risk. you got to open
00:37:00
yourself up to them and and try to and you have the fear of being rejected. So, I I don't know. I mean, there's there's
00:37:08
parts of me that feel there's parts when I'm listening to that interview that I just feel bad for him. Oh, definitely.
00:37:15
Yeah, I definitely feel bad for him on on some level, but you know, okay, here's another weird thing, too, right?
00:37:21
Uh Shelley, Emma's mom, states that, you know, they paid, the parents paid for Emma's flight to get her to Victoria.
00:37:32
Mhm. However, beforehand, she was so ready to go that Emma had purchased a bus ticket to ride out there. And
00:37:42
Shelley believes that that Emma would have walked around with this bus ticket in her back pocket and that that
00:37:50
somebody that knew her may have been able to see that bus ticket whether she had told anybody exactly where she was
00:37:56
going or not. Right. Well, Emma and excuse me, Emma and Julian were constantly taking walks together. So,
00:38:03
again, who knows? I mean, he he could have seen something. But I again I don't think that makes him
00:38:11
uh responsible for her disappearance. Circling back to Shelley Filipof. So you know we said that she had worked very
00:38:19
hard to find her daughter. That's not in dispute here. Uh she put up posters. She
00:38:24
went out on the streets. She was showing people pictures of her daughter. She was
00:38:28
asking strangers and showing pictures to strangers of her daughter and asking them if have they seen her? Do they know
00:38:36
her? Well, she went on a a podcast that wasn't famous. Yeah. And I mean, she was
00:38:42
doing some crazy stuff. And like I said, I believe she was a big part in spearheading the idea for the
00:38:48
documentary, getting that out on the CBC, which made this a national case. It brought national attention to Emma's
00:38:56
case. Um, there is a But there's a weird wrinkle here, too, right, Captain? There's the a drug charge. We see a drug
00:39:06
charge re against Shel and this is a what a result of her son that that her son is living with her or staying from
00:39:18
time to time and they find drugs and guns in the house. Yeah. What I heard um was that he was into real estate. He had
00:39:29
four properties I believe at the time and instead of living in one he decided that he was going to leave all of them.
00:39:36
So he was going to he put all of them on the market. Then he took pretty much all
00:39:40
his belongings and then put them in his mother's house. So again, totally reasonable that you would go in and out
00:39:47
of your parents house because you have things in storage. I think everybody's been at that point in their life where
00:39:52
maybe they're going from apartment to house and there's this uh overlap. So all his belongings are there and
00:40:00
whatever criminal activities he was involved in that the law enforcement were following him for a long time and
00:40:06
eventually uh they charged him with drug charges. So the majority of the charges
00:40:12
are going to him but because this stuff was also found in her house, you know, she's getting charges. It's her address,
00:40:20
it's her house, he's not technically living there or receiving mail there. Um, so she looks guilty by association
00:40:29
basically. Uh, and most people would not talk about the charges because it's an open case. She's been pretty uh
00:40:36
forthcoming about her explanation of this. You can hear that uh with Jordan as well. Yeah. And and and actually she
00:40:45
in my opinion, one stands up very well for herself, but she's also not making any excuses for her son. No. Uh, and you
00:40:52
know, I know she loves her son very much and still does and always will. Um, but
00:40:57
but again, she's not making any excuses for him. She's not saying whether he's guilty or not, but but uh she's saying
00:41:04
there was something going on there. Well, I talked to a detective today about this, too. I was just going over
00:41:09
the case and seeing if if I just missed anything that was pretty obvious. And when he was when I brought up these drug
00:41:16
charges and I explained her explanation, he said that that's very logical to me.
00:41:22
So, uh, he he was on the side of she's probably not going to eventually they're probably not going to go through with
00:41:29
the charges or if she is charged with them, she's probably not going to be found guilty of them. In all likelihood,
00:41:35
they're using that as leverage if they need to get more information, right? They're going to threaten the mother,
00:41:42
the owner of the home. Yeah. Which sucks because she's she's not going to want to
00:41:46
turn on her son. It's a bit of a process though, and it's part of the process. And if they need more information on the
00:41:52
son, they might have to threaten jail time to the mother to get that needed information because, you know, they're
00:41:58
probably they're probably going after a bigger fish, right? Yeah. And Yeah. So, they'll lean on Shelly, then lean on the
00:42:07
sun, and then keep leaning until they get bigger and bigger people. Um, the first thing I thought though when I saw
00:42:14
these charges brought up was, does this make Emma's actions on the surveillance cameras make sense cuz it constantly
00:42:22
looks like she's looking at, you know, like looking for somebody or she's maybe afraid of
00:42:27
somebody. But I I don't think so. I think these charges have nothing to do with the case. I think it's just one of
00:42:34
those weird things when you have a missing person case. There's normally so little information of the events after,
00:42:44
you know, a little bit before and then basically all you have to go off of is early childhood events, maybe some
00:42:52
journal writings, maybe some pictures you found that aren't uh developed, and then it's just all this
00:42:58
randomness. So, I think because it was such big news in Canada that once these charges came out, it just it was like,
00:43:07
"Oh, now the story gets juicier." But I believe that these charges have nothing to do with Emma's disappearance at all.
00:43:14
Yeah. And you know what's funny is the thing that that resonates with me, the thing that I keep keeps ringing in my
00:43:21
ears. You know, we had we had a friend of ours, a friend of the show once tell us what you don't get two coincidences
00:43:30
in in a disappearance runner or a murder case. You just in a in a an unsolved crime, there's not two
00:43:37
coincidences as a result of one person being involved. And we have this weird situation here where we have two
00:43:45
coincidences with two separate people. We have it with the mother, Shelly. You know, she's on the phone with her
00:43:51
daughter. Can I come home? Yes, you can come home. Can you come out here and help me? Yes, I can come out here and
00:43:56
help you. Oh, I'm told and turned away and told not to come out there, but I come out on my own anyway. And her
00:44:04
daughter investigates a ride to the airport the same evening. These are these are double coincidences that are
00:44:10
weird. And then second of all, we have the situation with Jillian who were they were friends in Perth and he happens to
00:44:18
land in the same spot that she landed and he happens to bump into her and he believes he sees her on the last day
00:44:25
that she has Yeah. Well, the the whole Emma going to the airport and the mom heading out that way is a coincidence,
00:44:32
but it's also a coincidence that she the day that she goes out there that she is
00:44:38
report, you know, she's last seen 3 hours before she gets there. That's a coincidence, too. You know, you go out
00:44:45
there to to help her and she's gone, you know. Um, but yeah, it's just I mean it's such a riddle of a case.
00:44:54
And we should also mention that in the area that she went missing from, you know, there was that hotel that we
00:45:00
talked about, but there was also a bridge and there was also um I think a arbor going through there. Mhm. So,
00:45:07
here's the thing though. We have two people that are close to her, let's say, right? Well, one's a mom, one's a a
00:45:15
friend. Uh, yeah. and two people that are close to her that you could they are close to the case. Are they
00:45:24
suspects? Uh you could make an argument that they are I I don't I don't see it at the end of the day. I I No, I Well, I
00:45:32
think first of all, until she's found, everybody's a suspect still. Everybody's a suspect. But I also see that maybe in
00:45:38
this situation, you do get two coincidences and and maybe maybe Yeah. And maybe you do. And that's one of the
00:45:45
things that makes it such a fascinating case. But you but it makes one wonder too. Okay. She looked to Emma looked to
00:45:52
have been planning something. She's making preparations for something. Right. Right. Okay. So she This is
00:45:58
what's weird. Obviously the the prepaid cell phone is weird. The prepaid credit card is weird when she already has a
00:46:04
debit card. Is she running from someone? Is she or is she just running because that's her nature? Is she running from
00:46:13
because she thinks her mother's coming to town, right? Is she running because she's bumping into this Jillian guy that
00:46:19
he that she doesn't want to see that that's a reminder of Perth and maybe she doesn't want a reminder of Perth, right?
00:46:26
Uh is she trying to get away and also create no link to where she ends up? Uh we do know that both those items were
00:46:34
not used by her. So that seems like a dead end, right? That seems like maybe she, you know, if she took off, she
00:46:41
didn't use those preparations. Yeah. Yeah. Well, and she didn't use her credit card. I mean, not her credit
00:46:46
card, but her bank accounts weren't touched either. So, you don't you don't take any of your
00:46:51
possessions, these these things that you are preparing for some reason, this the
00:46:57
card, the phone, they're gone. They're not used. And I don't think I I don't know to me
00:47:06
if she did run away I I don't think she ran away with a right mind. No. No. And and you we'll we'll go down
00:47:16
that avenue here in just a second. But one thing I want to talk about real quick
00:47:20
is I think that a big solution to this problem is we need to the reason why it's so difficult to figure out her
00:47:29
disappearance is because we don't know what her intentions were that day. We don't know if she was planning something
00:47:36
or not. And I I think the way to figure that out, the answer to that for me is the van, right? She the the van is towed
00:47:46
and and we are told that she's a very she's a very private person. We're told this by not not just one person. We're
00:47:54
told this by many people, right? That she seems to be a very private person. She keeps her thoughts to herself that
00:48:00
her mother says so her her father says so. And it's almost like with these journals that she writes poetically. So
00:48:05
maybe she's the only one that understands them or maybe it's encrypted like you said that maybe she's the only
00:48:11
one that gets it. And the thing that that's driving me mad here is that she left those journals behind. She left
00:48:19
those in the van in somebody else's control. And the thing is, we know a lot about her movements that day. But the
00:48:26
thing that I failed to see time and time again in her movements that day, there seems to be no action towards retrieving
00:48:33
that van or her belongings that are in the van, which seems very strange to me of a very private person. Now, this
00:48:40
might point towards what you're talking about, a mental break, right? You know, and we had talked about the shelter. She
00:48:46
had stayed in this shelter at a month this month and a month the next, you know, from time to time she's in and out
00:48:52
of this shelter. Now, most of these shelters, you have to obey their curfew rules. And the other thing is you can't
00:48:59
show up messed up on drugs or alcohol when you come into these places. I don't know the specifics of this location, but
00:49:06
if it carries through to to the other locations that I know of, what what the staff was seeing there was they were
00:49:13
seeing increased paranoia. They were seeing an increased mental break. They wondered if she was eating. There was a
00:49:20
question if she may have been uh anorexic or bulimic or or something of that nature. And there seems to be a lot
00:49:27
going on inside of Emma that they are saying and they don't believe that it's drugreated. There seems to be she's
00:49:36
spiring spiraling out of control a bit here. And who knows if that that prepaid credit card or the prepaid cell phone if
00:49:45
those were preparations for her to make an exit or if those were just random things that she did because she's
00:49:53
confused. Right. Yeah. and and she could be going in and out of a manic states. So, and that that's where it becomes if
00:50:01
she gets out of that state, maybe she, you know, maybe that's what really confused me is when she's calling for
00:50:08
help, you know, come get me. Come get me. And then she says, "Don't I I wonder if it's like, you know, fading in and
00:50:15
out of this like reality and she's like, okay, what the hell am I doing here? Where's my family? Somebody help me."
00:50:21
And then she starts fading back into some kind of more psychotic state and she's like, "No, no, I can handle this."
00:50:28
You know, but but you still have to make the phone call to the mother. So, um I don't know. I mean, this is a
00:50:35
it's a riddle uh wrapped in a mystery. I mean, this is um a tough one. Well, the
00:50:40
thing I really worry about here, and I really kind of lean more towards the side of a mental break or a more diving
00:50:50
into a transient lifestyle. Um, cuz we've seen that type of behavior from her in her past at a very young age of
00:50:58
16. She seems to kind of be hopping around trying to figure out things and move from place to place. Um, so I lean
00:51:05
towards either of those conclusions that she is still out there, that she uh whether it be because of a mental issue
00:51:12
that she's ended up somewhere or that she chooses to move around or chooses to live elsewhere. I lean that way. But the
00:51:20
thing that scares me and the thing that really worries me here is that in either
00:51:25
of those situations could have left her very vulnerable and somebody could have taken advantage of that. And and I mean
00:51:33
that for the worse. Um and that's that's what's scary here and that's that is what makes me wonder why we've not seen
00:51:40
use of that debit card and we've not seen her turn up anywhere. Well, the like I was saying by the
00:51:48
hotel there the bridge and and there's this water and they did they did do some diving to search and they didn't find
00:51:56
anything. And what they said was if she did jump into the water that she would have floated up. She would have surfaced
00:52:04
at some point. Uh but I there was a there's a lot of water there, right? Yeah. But the more I've been digging,
00:52:11
you know, there is also a big percentage of people go, "Yeah, well, that's what people assume what would happen, but
00:52:18
there's a possibility that she would actually be been taken out to see." So, my thought uh I think the the conclusion
00:52:26
I come up with is is if she was having this break and then when she has the encounter with the police, that might
00:52:35
even send her off into more spiraling. And if she did, uh, you know, if she ended up passing
00:52:45
it, I think it was through that water. Mhm. If she didn't pass through there and she left on her own, I don't think
00:52:53
she's left in the in a a proper mental state. So, and maybe there's, you know, I I don't know how that stuff works. I'm
00:53:01
not a doctor. I'm a captain. Um, but did she just keep fading and fading and and completely lose touch
00:53:10
with reality? And I think this is somewhat of uh Shel's thoughts, too. And the police have stated multiple times
00:53:16
they don't think that there was foul play involved, right? And so they're saying that for a reason. Um, so like we
00:53:23
were talking about Vancouver, she's been going to Vancouver a lot, spent some time there and looking because of the
00:53:29
big homeless population. And normally um based on you know there's a huge population of the homeless that have
00:53:36
mental illnesses. Your conclusions captain are that this the waters involved that probably mental break
00:53:44
suffering some mental health issues. Yeah. One of the two that were just going on and on and uh may have led to
00:53:51
her taking her own life or an accidental death. Well, I guess the you know the water if if there was
00:54:01
some suicidal thought maybe that she was just having this break and it's hard to
00:54:07
say it's hard to say suicide because you know because mental illness doesn't always lead to suicide. We know that and
00:54:14
and sometimes it can lead to bouts of amnesia too. Well, no, but what I'm saying is that like I don't know like
00:54:23
that's just a tough that whole situation is just a a tough thing in general. But
00:54:28
I think it it would have been because of the mental illness that she would say that she would think in her head, I'm
00:54:36
going to jump into this water. Yeah. And I I lean towards the mental illness thing or transient lifestyle. Um
00:54:44
we one because we've seen both behaviors and yeah but the transient lifestyle just doesn't make any sense to me like
00:54:50
you just leave all your belongings. Here's the other thing that here's my big question. But they they may go hand
00:54:56
in hand is what I'm saying. No no I no I see that but but I think there's a big difference between being homeless and
00:55:04
being a transient lifestyle. My big question and I would like to know this answer is she when we brought up
00:55:12
those selfies, the pictures with the selfies and we brought up that they found a digital camera in her van,
00:55:18
right? They would have hopefully somebody would have knowledge of which cameras she had and I'd be interested if
00:55:25
one of those cameras were missing because I think if she's going to take out on her own, I think that's the one
00:55:32
thing she would not leave behind. You're saying she may have had multiple cameras
00:55:36
and even though there was a camera found in the van that she may have taken another camera. Was there another
00:55:41
camera? Or was she just known to have this one camera and they found that one camera? Cuz to me that's a that's uh you
00:55:48
know I could leave a lot of stuff behind but there's certain items that I couldn't as far as an artist goes. Mhm.
00:55:56
And you know it's just I mean when you go on vacation when I go on vacation I have to take a guitar with me. Like I
00:56:02
just have to. Well, that's my work, but I have to take, you know, I can't go on vacation without a guitar. And and the
00:56:08
thing for me, Captain, that would would present some answers to me and help me come up with a better conclusion would
00:56:15
be like I said, was there can anybody find any evidence that on November 28th that she was trying to locate her van or
00:56:25
she because we know the she had the money to retrieve it. uh and and being a private person, I wonder about having
00:56:33
those journals left in the van out of her control. Um what that would mean to her. Um so that's that's one answer that
00:56:41
I need in this case. And there's there's many many answers that need to be to be
00:56:46
solved. Um it's a fascinating case. It's there's a lot of weird things that happened leading up to her disappearance
00:56:53
and it only left us with so many questions afterward. Yeah. We're just And really, I mean, we could have talked
00:56:58
about another couple episodes. Yeah. Let's stay here till Thursday. No, this we don't have time for that, but the
00:57:04
main reason that we we're talking about this case is um to try to help in any way we can. This case uh was big in
00:57:12
Canada, but there has been, you know, I've seen things where there's sightings in Vancouver. I've seen that there
00:57:19
possible sightings in Seattle. So, anything that we can do to get the word out and and we're going to, like I said,
00:57:27
post pictures and stuff and and hopefully we can just create awareness. Mhm. And Yeah. And even though they
00:57:33
found her passport in the van, her mother has always said that the United States would have been somewhere that
00:57:38
she could have ended up, you know, she could have easily traveled to the States. So, we need to locate Emma
00:57:44
Filipof. She was 5'5, approximately 90 to about 110 pounds. Mhm. Uh she had blonde hair at times, brown hair at
00:57:54
times, sandy blondie. Um and she would be 30 years old this year. Um and you can get more information at the Facebook
00:58:02
page, help find Emma, you can get a better description there. There's also ways to report a tip. Uh I would
00:58:09
recommend if you believe that you see her or you know her whereabouts, you can call 911. um anything that you can do to
00:58:18
help and check out the Facebook page, help find Emma. And also, as we post pictures of Emma, feel free to share
00:58:26
those on social media to help spread the word so we can help um Shelly and the Philip family. I mean, cuz it's just a
00:58:34
sad thing. And I know we brought up some questionable things about the family. That's just basically to cover the whole
00:58:41
case. Uh we don't think there's any involvement at all. Again, um take a look. Be on the lookout. Do whatever you
00:58:51
can. Uh and let's um help this family out. Thanks to all of you for joining us in the garage this week. Thanks again to
00:58:59
our sponsors and a big thank you to Jordan from the Nighttime Podcast. Yeah, check that out. Uh part one, part two,
00:59:06
and part three. He interviews Shelly and interviews Julian. And um just keep doing what you're doing, Jordan. For
00:59:15
everything true crime, go to true crimegar.com and make sure you sign up on the mailing list. And until next
00:59:22
week, be good, be kind, and don't litter. [Music] [Applause] [Music]