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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] fear does not exist in this Dojo all right want to piggyback on some
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things that we were talking about out last week real quick here Captain before we get into some lighter
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subjects um regarding the kin louder case I tell you that one is popular was popular on the blog lot of interesting
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discussion there um some person pointed out that the so we we covered one of the 911
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calls right and in pretty good detail as well and one thing we didn't have time to get to on the case coverage was kayn
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had a YouTube channel and she had posted like three videos on there and I watched
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those three videos when we were doing the case research yeah they didn't really add anything to the case itself
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um if we would have been if we would had a you know lesser topics to go through I
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would have mentioned it there but the only thing it really pointed out to me is that she kin was a a person with a
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good sense of humor which is you know something I enjoy in in a person in a personality uh but one of her one of her
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videos shows her in her apartment and I believe in that video that she's calling the cat Carol and so
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when we covered the 911 call somebody pointed out that they believe because of that video that her
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cat's name is Carol not the roommates now in most of the newspaper articles and online articles that we found the
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roommate is simply listed as roommate you know they never disclose her roommate's name in those
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articles now when we were going through the portion where we were covering the 911 call we were covering that from a
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transcript where we have what kin is saying to the you know 911 operator personnel
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and we also have what she is saying to to Carol and she very well could have been talking to her cat I don't know I I
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believe that the roommate's name is in fact Carol though regardless of what the cat's name might be right because per
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that transcript when the roommate is talking you know when kin's talking it says kin and then it has her words what
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she's saying and when the roommate's talking it says Carol and it has what she's saying so going off of that
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transcript is is all we really had to work with with it being a case that's not um not one that we had intimate
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details of let say right right one thing we didn't get to because there was so much to cover was my suspicion about the
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roommate the I find the roommate story very strange because if we go by what we know what the family has said
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publicly is that they weren't notified until Tuesday by they were notified by the roommate
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saying hey I haven't seen kin in a while uh have you heard from her right well we
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know that she was last seen on that surveillance footage in the evening on Saturday and it was it was I believe um
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I can't remember if it was Tuesday morning or Tuesday evening but regardless we're talking about you know
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two days 3 days 3 and a half days you know so we got a considerable let's say three days
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would be what we I think we should call it there one thing that I find incredibly
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strange is that we know per her family per her mom and dad uh kayn's M parents that her cell phone was found at the
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apartment which was weird and we all know that when when you're trying to call someone even if you have a phone
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that locks like I know my phone I can't speak for every phone that's out there but I know my model a phone even if it's
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locked if my phone's ringing somebody could walk by and if that person is listed in my contacts it will say you
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know Mom is calling or dad is calling right um and so I find it a little strange now we don't know maybe the
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phone could have been in kayn's room only and maybe the roommate didn't see that phone for that that time period
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yeah or on silent or but also the dog is there so we have the parents calling her
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cell phone during this whole time that she's missing we have the cell phone that's located in the apartment and we
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have her dog so is the roommate then just willy-nilly caring for the dog for for three full days before they reach
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out which maybe the roommate's just an awesome caring understanding person and I and I'm and I'm barking up the wrong
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tree um but it seems to me like that would have really have alerted me if I was you know if if if I knew her phone
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were there and and I'm taking care of this dog for several days before I reach out to the parents well I I I think it
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also depends on how the dog acts because let's say you take the dog out it does its business you take it back in the
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house it just kind of wanders around stays mainly in her room maybe then the dog's not that big of an
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issue you don't really think much about it you go well well she's somewhere don't know where my roommate is M don't
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know when she's coming back M can take the dog out real quick it's not that big of a deal MH but it depends on the dog
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because you know I've lived with people before where they you know their dog is is a lot of work you know so if if
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they're gone for even four or five hours you're going hey where the heck are you
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at right you've left me with this with your dog right so so there was there's so many things when we cover a case
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these little tiny details that you wish we'd know you know so and and I that's definitely one of them
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because you know there's a a lot of people that live together that it's Common Place hey I
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get home from work and I take my roommate's dog out mhm if I'm the first one just to be a good person so it's
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really hard to get a read on that it seems a little fishy though it does and I think it's because it's
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three days for me if it were one night or or maybe even but then I guess at the same time we should point out that the
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the information that we could find that was out there seems to indicate that the
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roommate left sometime that Saturday evening or night and and may not have returned to their apartment until Sunday
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evening MH so there you go well it there's a chance that the roommate could have just assumed that
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kin was there for that whole time that she was gone you know and and now now we are only talking about one and a half or
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or two and a half days yeah but You' think there would be some accidents in the house from the dog yeah yeah that's
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true so that would kind of give something away right yeah definitely would but again I think it's it's
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strange to me it is strange to me that that uh that that information is out there and um
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[Music] and I mean I can't say it and it's and like I said for all I know the roommate
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could be just a caring wonderful best person in the world yeah but it just seems like some suspicious Behavior or
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or somebody that's very just tuned out to their living space well there's there was also some rumors about
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them knowing different people that live in those in that apartment complex and I've had friends that live places where
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they they know a bunch of people so it was kind of common place for you know my buddy to leave his apartment and go down
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to his other buddy's apartment and watch a movie or something right and kind of always if anybody's ever lived in a dorm
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situation that's very similar mhm but I I've seen people that lived in apartment
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complex that were like that they had four or five friends who became friends with people and they were constantly
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like yeah I'm home stop by and you stop by and they're not there well if you go Three Doors Down that's where they they
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are so which makes me cuz there was also some rumors if they knew some people that maybe one of these people are
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responsible for her going missing and and to me that's a rumor that needs to be looked into more because
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maybe her coming in and the dog being there there and not seeing her roommate maybe for a couple days it's not that
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weird cuz you go well she's she's always at somebody else's place hanging out with somebody else you know right um
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it's it's difficult that's a that's a difficult case for sure uh and then like with uh we had the friend of
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Tyler Davis um mhm call us because he's you know just getting hounded online which I found I found out that at some
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point he posted like his name and his phone number and basically said if you have any information about my friend can
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you you know you can get a hold of me right which to me I'd just be going just put the police's number right um but he
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put his own number and then people somebody asked um Britney Davis if they could do a Facebook page for
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like conspiracy thoughts on the case and she said no so they didn't make one and then somebody else made one well
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that that's their right to make one if they want to if they think there's some weird conspiracies or whatever but then
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they started posting his personal information which you know that's in poor taste yeah
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it's a little in poor taste but again now back to this back to the louder case it's like with the roommate it's like
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how much do you want to speak because if you had no involvement how how many rumors are going to be about you online
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right and how much dirt are are people going to throw in your face and on your character and we just created some
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rumors about about the roommate so we're guilty but we we don't know her but we're not stating right we're not
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stating her name and her phone number and where she lives and you know I mean look at like with a Brian schaer case
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about Clint he has changed his name mhm could you imagine like yeah I I hung out
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with my buddy and he went missing and therefore I had to change my my name and I've had
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to not talk about things and I had to lawyer up and I if if he has no involvement in the case which a lot of
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police officers don't believe Clint had anything to do with Brian's disappearance what a shift in his life
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and I basically told Tyler's friend hey you've become Clint and whether you like
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it or not this this stuff is coming and it's happening and if I was you I want to feed the fire he's been very
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Cooperative with police mhm he's talked to him whenever he could and and to be clear about that you were told that by
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the police not by the friend well I was told that by the police I was told that by Britney I was
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told that by the friend right you know when when he said I've been very Cooperative with the
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police and I said yeah they told me mhm so I believe you um and I just said look that's what's
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happening don't fuel the fire be honest with people and I do think there's going to be a
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round of uh polygraphs coming soon though that's my hunch on the on the Tyler Davis case so we'll see what that
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leads to but yeah it's tough with these roommates cuz it also doesn't seem like they were super close like there were
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typ friends mhm but I think that would bother me and I think I would really want to know why
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my roommate went missing right right I agree well what was it in the um Jacob wling case that we covered a long time
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ago yeah uh the there was like a teacher who was considered an an oddball by some
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of the people in in the neighborhood in the area and wasn't he like considered the prime suspect by by the people in
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the town and the the um some of law enforcement for like this was like 20 years years he was considered the prime
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suspect and he when they solved it he had absolutely nothing to do with it right and he was he was hounded and
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harassed for decades and so much so that like law enforcement in the I think it was the news basically said cuz he owned
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a whole bunch of property like acres and acres and I think it was the news that was like they called him the prime
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suspect gave his full name they're filming in front of his property and I think the news lady says uh and police
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believe that Jacob wling is buried somewhere here on this property and that poor guy man like these cases are are
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are crazy because one thing that you know when you're just kind of pop in and pop out of cases and you're you're
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listening or you're reading about something you forget that there are a lot more victims than than what are
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listed there or or told to you because one thing that we we fail to think about sometimes is the offender their family
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can be a victim as well and in a sense that you know their their relative or somebody that was close to them did this
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horrible thing and they're they feel victimized by that person as well and of course you have the family members of
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the victim but then you could also have this collateral damage that that is just
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somebody that happened to be there or fell under suspicion for whatever reason right yeah I mean that like I said that
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the knock on the door um I shouldn't have that fear but I've had that fear quite a while you know if I get a
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knock on the door and a friend is not coming over I think oh what is this MH and what if it's law enforcement and
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what if somebody that you once dated is missing what if a friend goes missing you
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and and with like the Brian Ferguson case that that's the one that always got me because it was just this guy comes
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forward after a couple weeks and makes up a story that doesn't even make any sense doesn't even make any sense why
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he's confessing and the cops instead of stopping it instead of saying hey this your story doesn't even make sense mhm
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they then interview Ryan and he was the only person that sounded like an adult in the whole conversation
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and somehow he still gets arrested he still gets charged it makes zero sense MH and you know also talking with
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Tyler's friend he was he said yeah and when he first said this I went oh this this guy's kind of full of
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[ __ ] right mhm so he said well Tyler's done this before he's walked off many of
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times before when he's drunk and I thought well it sounds a little strange which sounds a little
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convenient about two seconds later I had a friend in college and I went oh yeah he he would every party he had not
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so much at other people's parties if he was going to another person's party probably not going to happen but the
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parties he threw I would show up he's the only person I know at the party all his friends were from his college I
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wasn't friends with him right and so I'd show up to support him to hang out with
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him to meet some of his new friends where's he at oh he's gone gone where he's walking around the neighborhood why
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oh he got upset about something couple times I'd walk around the neighborhood going well he he must be pissed drunk if
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he's doing this right right sometimes he was drunk sometimes he wasn't and then he would bring up you know he was upset
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about whatever happened or upset about something in his past and then eventually you go I think this
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person is just doing this for attention and I think or it's their coping method you know what I mean like
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yeah we we all need things to because at the end of the day we we are in charge of our mood whatever mood
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we're in for the most part right you know I can determine if if if something bad happens or something small we you
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know sometimes we all can can fly off off the handle over something tiny right and sometimes I have to remind myself
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hey I'm in charge of me like if if I'm going to be a grumpy ass the rest of the day because of this one little thing
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well that's on me at some point and so like a coping method I have and of course it's never never when drinking
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but um I if if I'm pissed off about something or need to clear my head right I'll take a drive you know I enjoy
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driving you know in the country roads and stuff like that and a lot of times if I have something that I can't shake
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and I have an extra hour hour and a half I might take a drive just to just to clear my head and it and it I fall back
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on that often because it works for me for whatever reason yeah and I think some people take
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a walk to clear their head and I get that but I I do think maybe he did that one time maybe he did
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it twice but at some point he got a reputation for walking away at his party and it's like okay so every party you
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throw you you throw a hissy fit somebody hurts your feelings eventually at some point it's like you know you're
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obviously not handling your alcohol well you're not obviously handling your emotions well but I
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remember maybe two or three times finding him and walking with him and talking and the first couple times
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babying him hey man it's not so bad and eventually the next time I was like hey man this is ridiculous you need to stop
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doing this MH and then I remember showing up to this one time to his house they couldn't
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find him they didn't know where he was at but this was a time that nobody even nobody like normally it was n he got mad
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about such and such and he left well this was nobody nobody knew where he was at and then I waited around for about
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another 5 minutes and then I thought okay he's probably doing it again so I left and then maybe a week goes by ran
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into a couple friends that went to the party after me oh yeah he came back he was you know going on one of his walks
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moping around again pouting yeah and so here and this is one of my best friends I show up to a party nobody can find him
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and I went I'm out this [ __ ] has done this too many times to me and that's one
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of the things that happened that night there was multiple times in in college that Tyler would do this he would just
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kind of walk blow off steam and the friend said look I I i' I've chased him multiple times I've walked with him I've
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tried to talk to him multiple times this night it was too late I was too tired mhm he had enough and he's like I'm I
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was not going to follow him anymore right and he said look if something bad happened to him
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I'm going to regret that for the rest of my life but you know what can you do you
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can't go back mhm so but an interesting thing two interesting things about the Tyler Davis case real quick if you got a
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minute yeah uh which I don't think I I told you about this is so one I got to talk to the the head detective again
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they've done now I think he said a total of four or five searches okay can't find
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anything some lady I could be getting this wrong but from the story I heard was some lady heard our podcast took
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some detailed notes about that night did a Facebook live trying to retrace um his steps his
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steps what we do know is that we have surveillance of Tyler Britney and the friend getting out of the Uber car so we
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have that and cops aren't saying that they have a lot of footage but I think there's a
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little more footage than they're telling the public right now yeah I would think
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so it just given the general nature of that area with it having so many businesses yeah and with him you know
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they they hope there's been a couple sightings um in different parts of Ohio one they actually thought was a decent
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lead for a minute but they said that he was working at Walmart and they just the
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detectives were going wait this guy walks away starts a new life and decides to get a job at Walmart that's kind of
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strange and why wouldn't he be using his bank account at all right um so they sent police officers there they checked
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it out obviously it wasn't him but there's been a couple sightings that this detective didn't know he said
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I can't Ru it out because we have some footage of him but we don't have as much as we probably should with all the
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cameras around there is it possible that he was stressed out and then he wanted to get you know leave his life possibly
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there's also some information that he shared that I can't share okay and I will have to tell you that off the
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Record off the Record Tyler has a you know and I I think I said this to you off the Record off the record on on a
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phone call I said to me Tyler has a familiar face like when I first saw his missing picture mhm it was like I I had
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to I'm like I'm scrolling through the contacts in my brain going do I know this guy from somewhere do I do I know
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him or you know is he somebody that I knew briefly or was an acquaintance at one time he just to me for whatever
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reason he has he has a familiar face maybe he maybe he looks like somebody that I used to know and can't really put
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a hand handle on it somebody that I used to know um so they' done four searches maybe more the lady did the Facebook
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live retrace the steps it got a lot of traction enough where the cops were interested they watch because you can
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normally with these Facebook lives or YouTube lives they'll stream it live but once the it's done streaming live mhm
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you can then go back and watch it right and so a lot of people went back and watch it the detectives went back and
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watch it I know that they did a search party and invited a bunch of people I wasn't able to go but it was a pretty
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big search this weekend I have not heard anything other than some news outlets saying that there was a search was that
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Friday or Saturday I want to say it was and and for for people listening we've we've recorded this in advance right um
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it was Saturday yeah cuz I saw I saw that um that go out so we covered it in um 614
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now put together a little piece saying hey this this is a story that's got some national attention but the some of the
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details about that night were were vague and they kind of gave us some praise for
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really having putting out a show and really putting together an interview that that really pointed out what the
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actual details and timeline were of that night that he went missing and I believe
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it was on there as well that they said hey there's going to be a search this Saturday that was something I wanted to
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attend as well but I already had a uh previous obligation that I could not could not get out of so yeah it's just
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sad stuff because not only does he have a familiar face but it's it's you know when we've looked into a case for so
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long it almost feels like somebody that you know and you just you're kind of just left
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with nothing not a whole lot to go on and yeah I hope I hope they got more information than what's been released
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because there's not a lot of information yeah and so I'm trying to put this in they did multiple searches
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they searched multiple ponds I don't think they search all of them they did another search around the
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Ross that Ross Labs Abbot Labs Abbot labs um they did a search around Abbot Labs that I drove by that
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place Saturday that I forgot how big of a property that is that Abbot Labs that's
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a not only just a big building but they they occupy a lot of ground over there well they're still fighting with Verizon
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right now because they have certain parts of the cell phone record they have certain pings but they don't have
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everything they're trying to get um Facebook access because they believe that there was some phone activity so we
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we know that she states that there was a phone call at 410 another call came in at like
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411 it says on the the generic basically phone records that that call lasted a minute while anything under a minute
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will round up to a minute okay she says it was 4 second call and then he said nothing said nothing and it just or
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maybe she said hello and he didn't reply but then the phone went dead and she said then anytime she called after
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that it was going straight to voicemail well there's some so I can say this um the stuff that I can't share I mean I
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could share but when it wouldn't help the investigation it would be right service to law enforcement what I can
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say is they believe and I they're still fighting with Verizon so they need to get more
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information it's pretty sad that the cops have to fight with these phone companies right we have a missing person
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we have cops that are issuing uh search warrants and subena and people and all this stuff in questioning and one of the
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things that could give them a lot more information is this Verizon information and also uh some of the the Facebook and
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social media because they believe that there's phone active ity now that could be a phone call that could be text
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messages that could be accessing GPS Facebook that could be something else after the 411 call mhm so like I said
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there was a couple there there's been a couple leads uh a couple sightings in Ohio
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which which is strange um they haven't been able to confirm or deny if it's him and what's
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so interesting about Tyler is he has a very noticeable birth mark and so when these individuals are saying look I I
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saw a guy that looks like the the missing guy from Easton right and they go well what did he look like what are
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he's wearing well he's wearing this he's wearing that but it's you know this guy
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had a birth mark starting on his right hand all the way up to the right side of his neck right so I don't know but good
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luck to them because I mean eight you know when I was talking to the head you know the lead detective on this I mean
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he he reiterated multiple times we have F we have eight detectives working on 8,000
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cases basically a year so that's a thousand missing person cases per detective per year and they've
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been in Ohio is actually higher up on missing person cases Most states 95% of those just a
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miscommunication no yeah a lot of those are but somebody's reported missing and then they they turn up very soon right
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but think about take the Tyler Davis case and how much work you're doing on one case M and on top of that every
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three days or three missing person cases are hitting your desk every day mhm and yes
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within 24 hours to 48 hours you're getting some kind of confirmation that that person is alive or that person you
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know has been found or whatever but what about the ones that don't what about you see what I mean and that's if
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you show up to work seven days a week so you know so when you show up on Monday you got another four or five
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people that you got to start looking for mhm so it's just a lot and they've they've tried to actually because Ohio's
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numbers are are a little bit higher and columbus' numbers are a little bit higher because how big we are they've
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actually tried to get a couple more detectives uh it's just not currently in the budget so no I I see your point but
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at the same time that creates a lot of busy work and like you know with the show if you let the busy work the busy
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work can easily take over the major focus of what you need to be focused on for the week
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