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grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] [Music] foreign [Music] oh did you really really really know how
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my daughter died actually I already told you where I knew I told you well I can't
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I can't say and I already told you what I was willing to show you no listen you're not going down this
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road okay I know I'm not doing it I'm okay okay just talk to me damn it you had your chance what do you think
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you're down there and you regret it I couldn't stay I had no choice I didn't have the money you you know not even
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that listen listen to me now I couldn't let you perform those things on me listen to me all I asked you to do is
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look in your room you and do that you know you're really lucky I'm talking to you now so
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well I'm sorry so so then you know what then um then hire an escort and you can watch an escort
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and I'll show you what happens in The Net score there you go they have to worry about it so do you hear yourself
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yeah why did you mean that all escorts get murdered or something bad happens to them no that's not where I sit
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well I'm saying to you to listen you didn't want to go through with the acts okay but you wanted to see what happened
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I wanted to you to like improvise guess what all you have to do is to come back to Colorado you hire an escort
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and I'll show you exactly what happened and you can just be a bystander Okay so you can look in the paper you can you
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know talk to someone says this is what I want the only thing that means a damn thing
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to me is my daughter and I don't know where in the hell she ended up to me my other daughter yeah you you
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want my other daughter maybe she'll talk to you maybe she'll be reasonable what are you gonna do ask her to strip
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you won't understand I have to protect myself here so it's just the sound at oh Joe like you're protecting yourself it
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sounds to me like you you were doing it for gratification or or just to I don't know it just doesn't sound like somebody
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that cares about you it doesn't make sense to you because it seems kind of crazy but that's just how it is
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are you working for Jenny or against her I'm working forward but you have to realize some things that I I think are
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important that you know are classified and I will be in huge trouble if I tell you I have to show you
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I don't get it what do what can you show me Joe well listen I gotta let you go I
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don't get it what could you show me Joe I'll see you later all right Joe Joe foreign
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[Music] Scott Lee Kimball was born on September 21st 1966 in Boulder Colorado his
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parents were Virgil and Barb Kimble from what we could find it looks like Scott was not one of the popular kids at
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school he attended Lafayette Elementary in Middle Schools he was described by a classmate as quiet
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now Barb and Virgil divorced when Scott was 10 years old Barb fell in love with another woman
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Virgil and Scott's brother Brett moved to Montana and Scott stayed behind in Colorado but Scott left high school
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after only one month eventually after a few years he relocated to join his father and Brett but listen to this
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Captain because we often see this in these types a bad Omen a sign that something is just not right
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police were called to Scott's home during a strange episode in Scott's teenage years when he was shooting his
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father's gun out of one of the windows he was shooting at neighbors homes now it's not clear exactly what was
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going on here was he actually trying to shoot someone or was this just some kind
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of weird thing or maybe a Revenge Type Thing I don't know but regardless this is a significant event and at the very
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least could be categorized as extremely Reckless Behavior Scott attended High School in Hamilton Montana a town of 4
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000 people but he dropped out just shy of graduating he worked as a guide he guided clients on big game Hunting
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Expeditions he also made some really bad choices not just the shooting at houses
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incident Scott was arrested for stupid things like knocking over mailboxes in June of 1988 at the age of 21 he was
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arrested and convicted of felonious passing of bad checks his three-year sentence was deferred
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however on the condition that he stay above the law Scott like many others he likes spending money that he did not
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have he was arrested again in October of 88 for passing more bad checks but because this felony conviction
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occurred in a different County his sentence was once again to deferred and it didn't activate his previous
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conviction so Scott to say it simply got off very easy in both of these situations he
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continued to rack up arrest although not all of them resulted in convictions he was arrested in October of 88 again this
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time for stealing a fishing pole two rifles and a shotgun and a set of golf clubs this was from a residence or
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multiple residences in Broomfield Colorado he was turned loose which is surprising to me and I'm sure everybody
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else out there considering that the part of this theft involved a gun right he was arrested again in March uh this time
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for attempted theft and receives a one-year unsupervised probation and a 232 dollar fine so
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again this is just really no real punishment at all for what we're seeing is continued bad
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behavior right and if you steal a gun or you steal some checks and they just slap
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you on the wrist but why not do it again because you probably got away with it a couple times
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before you actually got caught yeah if if consequences dictate my course of action it's only wrong if I
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get caught or if I if I don't like the consequences right he's not really being punished so Scott continued to
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self-destruct and actually he even attempted to end his life at one point this was while on a hunting trip with
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his brother remember his brother Brett Scott was 23 at this time he went to his motel room and he put a rifle to his
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head and he actually pulled the trigger and the gun was loaded the bullet ripped
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a hole in his forehead as it bounced off of his skull Scott was in critical condition for many
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days of course he was not in a good place psychologically as we can all see this led to the discovery of years of
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abuse that took place during his teen years so what we would we would find out here
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Captain is that Scott was the victim of a sexual predator this started when he was just about 10 years old when he and
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his seven-year-old cousin were tricked or befriended or whatever you want to call it by a 41 year old computer
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programmer his name Theodore Payton now Peyton was a neighbor of Scott's grandmothers in a trailer park in
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Nederland Colorado and we know how this goes we know how this typically starts off right Peyton
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is he he befriends these children and he is taking them places giving them money
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takes them bowling you know hanging out playing video games right but pretty soon he started inviting them to his
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cabin this one at a time you know you don't want both of them there and now he's doing things that are just
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downright wrong he's giving them alcohol this leads to oh getting out the camera let's take
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some photographs and of course eventually this all leads to rape and outright molestation right according to
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the two boys this continued for years with the boys and their families being threatened by Peyton right so he's kind
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of controlling them by by not only molesting and raping these boys but on top of that he's telling them if you say
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anything I I'm going to hurt you and I'm going to hurt your family well initially it looks
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like these crimes of check fraud and stuff are just a crime of greed and maybe not a call for help but now when
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you dive into this section you go well maybe maybe these were crides for help but there was no punishment so nobody
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was coming to his help cry for help or sometimes unfortunately when these things
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when somebody's abused in this manner or really many other manners to put it frankly in
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their formidable years of coming up as a teenager especially with this stuff starting when he's 10 or 11 years old
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they could have mind altering effects that last a lifetime for somebody we mentioned that he was threatening the
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boys and threatening their families from my understanding Captain the threats were as great as as possible
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murder death threats shooting these kids or shooting their family right the cousin later told police about the abuse
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and he said that it happened so often that he eventually lost count of the number of incidents that took place the
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situation continued as we said until the boys reached their later teen years now
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remember Scott is not living in the area of his grandmother so his situation is a little
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different than than the cousin who is also being abused but when Scott would come back to visit Grandma and when he
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would come back to visit other family the abuse was still taking place when he would return to that area when you see a
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lot of children describe their predators as the devil so imagine that the devil is doing these horrible things to you
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and then on top of that saying hey if you tell anybody I'm going to kill you and I'm going to kill your whole family
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apparently this situation continued until the boys reached their later teen years when they were actually able to
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stand up for themselves but as we said this did not emerge publicly until Scott was 23 when he tried to
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shoot himself in the head right so in light of his and the cousins allegations which were brought to light by therapy
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Scott underwent after the suicide attempt the Boulder County Sheriff's Office investigated Peyton and they were
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able to bring some charges against this man in 1991 a jury convicted Payton of six counts of sexual assault on a child
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he was sentenced to seven years apparently he was released after five he returned to the area where he had lived
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when he was abusing the boys and lived out his remaining days there in a letter to the court objecting to a sentence
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reduction for Payton Scott Kimball wrote The Following quote Ted Payton denied me
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my right to a normal healthy innocent childhood because of Ted Payton's selfishness and his need for sexual
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gratification he has damaged my life forever end quote now recovered from his suicide attempt
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Scott relocated to Spokane Washington in the early 1990s he obtained employment in the timber business out there he
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brought along with him his girlfriend this is Larissa hence who he met in Montana in 1993 the two were married
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Scott is now 27 at this point on our timeline now this young new couple they had two sons one in late of 1993 and one
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in 1996. it doesn't sound like things panned out in the timber trade there because Scott and Larissa filed
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for bankruptcy in June of 1996. and the couple divorced in 1997. later Larissa would reveal some details
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of of her married life uh to Scott Kimball and says that Scott was not operating
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within the law Scott's past of his you know modus operandi of defrauding people and
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stealing funds continued during the course of their marriage according to Larissa he engineered scam after scam
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and had people constantly chasing after him trying to collect money that he frauded them out of or stole from them
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and possibly a reason why he moved to Washington in the first place yeah the other thing though too as we said he he
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always managed to avoid actual jail or prison time but this would this would end in September of 1997 when he did
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serve 27 days in jail for uh unknown offenses I do not know what the the charges were now
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we're making it 20 27 days isn't that long well exactly I don't know what the charge would have been it could have
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been something that's a hit that's a hiccup that's a vacation pretty minor um yeah not one that I want to take
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though um we're making it out as though Scott is some kind of low-level con artist who
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you know just happen to get away with check cashing scams and fraudulent money making schemes but
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what I believe that we will see here Captain the the truth of the matter is that Scots
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he's pretty talented as a con artist and I think what we're going to see is that
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his con artist skills might be off the charts and you know everyone who met him even
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though I'll judge that determined to see him in prison for the remainder of his days begrudgingly admits that Scott was
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the best at this uh universally he they say he was liked he was jovial friendly and seemingly trustworthy this is how
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Scott was described time and time again over and over by these people that that knew him and met him throughout his life
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well you can tell even by his later interviews that there is a brain inside his head
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yeah and what we will see as we go through this is he truly just he snowed people he befriended people
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made them feel special build up their trust and then he cheated them yeah but he's no friend Kevin now what happens
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next on the Scott timeline gives us a clear-cut example of how trustworthy he really seemed to be
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in the spring of 1999 Scott Kimball agreed to work for the Bureau of Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms as an informant on
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a stolen guns investigation yes this is an agency of our federal government taking on a con man a scam artist a
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fraudulent check Rider into their fold now it's not really clear how this Arrangement came about and it did not
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result in any arrest although Scott reportedly gave the ATF some names but not only did Scott get personal
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satisfaction from being a trusted informant for the feds he got paid for it a grand total of
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1865 dollars the the relationship was over by November of 1999 but Scott Kimball benefited both as we said
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financially but also in the terms of establishing Goodwill with the feds by December of 1999 it was apparent that
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Scott was not only a scam artist but he was also violent on December 8th his ex-wife Larissa reported to Spokane
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police that Scott kidnapped her at gunpoint raped her and forced her and the couple's two sons to accompany him
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back to Montana no charges were filed for this incident and there's a lot of speculation here as
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to why there were no charges filed I don't know that I feel super comfortable getting into it knowing as
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little as we do about this situation but we would see this one more time this when Larissa again called police this
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time on December 18th uh saying that Scott had broke into her house that night and held her at
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gunpoint then he made her take a bath and stole money from her purse again no case no charges were brought forward
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in this incident as well now remember the two suspended sentences for convictions for passing bad checks
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he go over that again he broke in made her take a bath after another sexual assault and there's
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and there's no charges whatsoever that's correct it's ridiculous again I I don't want to speculate as to why there
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were no charges both of these situations we know very little about yeah so I mean it could be could be as
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simple as something as she calls to the police and then later says I don't want to press any charges
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that's why I don't want to get into the speculation of it I don't I don't we can't fault the the police department if
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the the person that notifies them later then says no I don't want to I don't want to bring any charges well
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no you can fault them on some level because there's a possibility that she just doesn't feel safe enough that she
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can press the charges no actually if she presses the charge it's this guy's an animal and look what he already did to
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me he might come back and and kill me I agree but I think that it's irresponsible of myself to lay blame to
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someone or or an organization with with knowing nothing really about the situation yeah well let's not lay blame
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to to the organization but let's let's lay blame on the the idea that we we know this situation happened and we
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don't know why it went down this way well that's why I don't want to like City because I don't know that it
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happened I don't know that it happens so uh I want to go back to the two suspended sentences for uh the the bad
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checks that took place in 1988 when Scott was just 21. so he finds himself in jail
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once again this time in January of 2000 this time for violating his probation remember he got probation for those
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charges he violated his probation this is for traveling and also for failing to report
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now finally a little Justice here this takes place in April of 2000 a judge threw the book Adam
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Scott was sentenced to 10 years in Montana State Prison this for violating those probations now five years of this
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sentence were suspended but Scott was looking at five years of hard time five years in the clink
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District Judge Hanson wrote of Scott quote the defendant is impossible to supervise in a community setting you're
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irresponsible untruthful and simply do what you want to do regardless of the rules and conditions imposed by this
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court then even more charges were brought against him this time for three counts
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of felony check forgery that occurred in 1999 in Spokane his additional conviction piled up eight
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more months onto his prison sentence this is where the story really starts to gain some momentum here Captain Scott's
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sentence is five years eight months with the five years suspended actually only resulted in him serving 15 months
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in July of 2001 he was relocated to a pre-release Center in Helena Montana he was permitted to get a job on the
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outside and just report back to the center when not at work Scott landed himself a job as a cashier at the easy
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stop gas station but within just a couple of weeks Scott decided a change of scenery would be
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nice on July 29th Scott was working alone at the gas station let's quickly review what the good judge
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said of Scott remember saying he was impossible to supervise in a community he's irresponsible untruthful and simply
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does not he simply does what he wants regardless of the rules well the district judge Hanson was what we call
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here in the garage exactly right so while working at the station alone on the 29th of July Scott lifted 677
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dollars from the register stole a work truck and he took off for Parts Unknown lock your doors I imagine
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there was several Slim Jims and a Big Gulp stolen from that gas station as well that didn't go
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reported right and that's the real crime here well now Scott you are a wanted man a
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warrant was issued for the arrest of Scott Lee Kimball but where did Scott hightail it to on
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the run from the law in this stolen truck where else but the furthest place away
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he could think of Alaska it's not known how Scott managed to get across the Canadian border but knowing
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his Charisma and charm he probably just sweet talked his way in there and it didn't really take long for him
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to turn up in Alaska Captain this is because he could not resist falling back on his old ways writing bad checks this
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time Scott assumed the identity of Brett Kimball his brother in the few months since his Escape Brett
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wrote twenty five thousand dollars in counterfeit checks collected the cash and had landed himself a fiancee
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as far as this woman whose name is Catherine Curtis was concerned Scott was a man named Brett Kimball and they were
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in love and living in a hotel room where Scott was eventually found and arrested
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during a raid along with 11 300 in cash well this just proves that love is the biggest con of all
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[Music] foreign [Music] cheers mate happy St Patrick's Day to everybody yeah cheers and uh if you're
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looking for a computer shirt check out the store Page also wash your hands and be nice to each
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other yeah wash wash your hands don't touch your face all right we are going to do a little bouncing around here
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through a few years on our timeline but while while this is not going to be in chronological order this order makes
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sense to me so we're gonna roll with it because of the activities and Scott's actions I guess what I'm trying to say
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here Captain is pay much less attention to the actual dates that we say but pay more attention to Scott's actions as we
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go through this piece of the story Scott of course was not happy sitting in jail and he managed to come up with
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some excitement for himself you know are we seeking the Limelight and backslapping from authorities Scott
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snitched that his cellmate won Arnold flowers who was in for fraud had asked him to hire a hitman to murder a federal
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judge a prosecutor and two witnesses hmm so Scott also named Arnold's girlfriend
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as a co-conspirator in this whole thing and sure enough a press release by the U.S Department of Justice dated March
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22nd 2002 states that flowers and his girlfriend were indicted for plotting to kill
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a judge a prosecutor and a witness in the fraud case so according to the Department of Justice release
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flowers had provided a handwritten note of four intended victims to an intermediary who was to make
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contact with a hitman of course this intermediary was Scott the plot went so far as to see the
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girlfriend go to a hotel room to meet the person she believed to be a Hitman and pay him a down payment for the
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murders the Department of Justice release concludes quote the investigation leading to the arrest was
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the result of a Cooperative effort of the United States Secret Service Federal Bureau of Investigation Bureau of
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Alcohol Tobacco and Firearms and the United States Marshals service end quote what what's really going on here exactly
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is what we have to kind of look at this situation and kind of examine it right yeah do we think
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that Scott just stumbled into a murder For Hire plot and decided to sing like a bird
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and rat on his cellmate for the good of the land I'm thinking probably not mm-hmm so
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here's what I think probably happened here Captain I think Scott may have figured out a way to kind of orchestrate
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this whole thing in a way of saying you know if he starts telling his soulmate hey I I know Hitman
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or or I know people that will will kill somebody for for money you know I can put out a contract on someone and this
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guy who's in sitting in jail sitting in prison starts mouthing off saying hey I'd like to kill that judge that put me
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in here oh and by the way I'd like to kill that prosecutor that put me in here and they wouldn't have been able to put
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me away if it wasn't for those two witnesses right and I think this this handwritten note I
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call in a question too is it possible that that Scott manufactured that note and provided it as some piece of
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evidence against these individuals what I'm getting at here is look there there's a good chance that his his
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cellmate probably did want to kill these people and had intentions to especially
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after Scott tells them hey I know how to to set something like this up but is this this is seems to me more
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about you know what I'm in prison how can I weasel my way out of here as fast as possible I'm gonna turn on this dude
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and getting good with with the authorities right Scott went on to testify at the trial which took place in
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2003 and the pair was convicted of witness tampering but they were acquitted of the murder for higher
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charges now Scott was paid this really sucks Scott was paid eighteen thousand dollars
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by the FBI for his cooperation as a witness in the case against flowers and his girlfriend
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that's a lot of Rolling Papers yeah in October of 2001 this is before it's a lot of slim jim yeah this is before the
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the flowers murder plot that we just discussed assistant U.S attorney Tom Wales he's 49 years old he's a father of
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two he's killed at his home in Seattle Washington someone shot through a basement window
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and shot him while he was sitting at a desk down there in his basement we know from what we could find that
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Scott was in the Seattle area in the fall of 2001. this was just for a short time this is when he opened up a bogus
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Wells Fargo account under the name Brett Kimball his brother's name he would later tell Federal authorities
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that he had information about the wells murder now I should point out that this case
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technically is unsolved to this day the wells murder case is still unsolved investigators eventually began to
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suspect that Scott actually may have had something to do with the murder either himself or through
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somebody else although if that's true the motive would be truly unknown it we we could speculate but
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there doesn't seem to be an obvious motive here now according to a book written by Scott's cousin the book is
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titled SLK serial killer Scott was working on a fishing boat in Seattle in the fall of 2001 and Scott
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was arrested in Alaska this in November of 2001. he used information about the whale's
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murder case to play the FBI gleaning whatever information he could about the case off of the internet he convinced
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authorities that he had overheard a couple of inmates talking about the wells case and that he might be able to
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offer them information about this Wells case so Scott starts feeding the FBI bogus information he strung them along
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pretty good meeting with agents a number of times including one three-day meeting
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in Seattle that took place from February 24th to the 27th of 2003. well let's think about this for a second
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I need an inform it I know that this guy is a criminal or career-long con man do you really mess with a con man
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I wonder how that meeting went down I wonder if there's two FBI agents one sitting looking at the other one going
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hey this guy is not to be trusted he is a con man and the other guy going well I
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don't know I kind of believe him seems like a good guy so what's interesting here I think is
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the continued the continued Mo of Scott Kimball okay twice he finds himself Behind Bars and
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when he does it seems like he's coming up with these plans of I'm going to turn on this guy
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or these guys and what carrot do I have to dangle in front of the authorities because if you
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if you go to him likely look this is all speculation here but if I'm Scott Kimball and I go to him and I say hey
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this guy that I'm in a cell with are these guys that I overheard talking in the yard
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um they're gonna kill some dude that you never heard of maybe he's a drug Pusher
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or or a check counterfeiter or somebody else some dude you never heard of I have information on that
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Scott's smart enough to know I need that's not a big character that's not a very big enough carrot to to really help
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my situation that seems to be all he's attempting to do what do we see in the first case
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he's turning on his cellmate saying you look this guy was going to kill a judge he was going to kill a prosecutor he was
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going to kill Witnesses the the Department of Justice and the the law enforcement the authorities value the
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protection of witnesses like you wouldn't believe and they should very smartly so yeah correct and he's like
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he's going to kill two witnesses and hire somebody to and then what is what do we see once he's once again in prison
00:37:27
it's oh I heard I might have some information regarding the murder of the assistant
00:37:34
U.S attorney Tom Wales so these are big carrots that he's coming up with and I it's almost like to
00:37:43
me like you pointed out it's like why why would you why would the FBI why would these organizations get involved
00:37:50
with this guy who clearly is a con man it clearly is a scam artist he's one he's one of these people that
00:37:58
he's Behind Bars because of what they would call paper cases where you can easily put together evidence against
00:38:05
this individual because everything he stole or frauded people from was the result of of paper a paper
00:38:13
trail that he put together himself that you can apply to him and get the conviction what we have here though is
00:38:21
somebody going look we can these this is a big cases this is a big to do this is violent this is murder
00:38:30
this is judges prosecutors U.S attorneys this is big a big deal maybe we deal with this little paper case guy
00:38:40
because we we need to prevent these big things from taking place right we we're we're after bigger fish is what I think
00:38:50
you think is happening at the time now as we said the Wales case is unsolved um apparently it sounds to me like
00:39:01
investigators suspect that that Scott Kimball may have actually he could have possibly been the shooter there's some
00:39:08
speculation as to that Captain I don't want to get too far into that um but I think the reason why they think
00:39:17
that there was a strange letter that shows up to the Seattle FBI office okay this letter was postmarked from Las
00:39:27
Vegas and dated January 3rd in this letter the writer said that he was the killer of Tom Wales he said a
00:39:37
woman hired him to shoot whales we will get into this much much more later but there is some good reason to
00:39:45
possibly believe that Scott was passing through Las Vegas in January of 2006 so there's a chance that he wrote
00:39:54
and mailed the letter I I I'm getting a little confused in this story here as to what I believe
00:40:04
is likely I don't know that that he may have been the shooter or if he's really just manipulating the system
00:40:12
because as said it seems to me like all the information he was able to provide to the authorities regarding the murder
00:40:19
of Wales he could have found all that on the internet right which if he's sitting
00:40:25
behind bars and he gets use of a computer at the uh you know when you go to the library or wherever that he could
00:40:31
have he could have found all of that information and pieced it together with some of these cells these days they
00:40:38
might have computers right in their cell well keep in mind like one of the one of
00:40:43
the biggest problems that we have in uh some of these prisons is the prisoners want to sneak in cell phones they want
00:40:51
to get a cell phone in there one because they can call whomever they want whenever they want but also I would
00:40:56
imagine you can get some kind of Internet Service as well right well I know I have a friend that was
00:41:03
complaining because it was their turn they have a relative that's in jail and it was their turn they all decided as a
00:41:12
family to help this individual uh try to reform and and better his life that they
00:41:17
would get cable for his cell so they pay like a monthly fee for this little TV that gets Cable in the cell
00:41:28
so it's basically like a Netflix uh Netflix and chill Behind Bars yeah I'd just be sitting in there
00:41:38
watching reruns of Monk and the office constantly I think we'll solve Mysteries real punishment
00:41:46
you know and I don't want to get in a whole debate of what prisoners should have and what they shouldn't have
00:41:50
because I actually I actually believe depending on what type of prison you are are in and what type of offender you are
00:41:56
that should vary maybe there's like a tier process but it at least the the worst of the worst when they have cable
00:42:04
that angers me so badly um I think that the the real the real bad guys you know what real punishment
00:42:12
is C-SPAN baby you can watch C-SPAN for that's all you get to see and you get maybe 45 minutes of it a day tear your
00:42:20
eyes out yeah I think we should start off with a genital mutilation and then work up from there you know to really
00:42:28
punish people well so what does the Tom Wales murder in Scott Kimball's telling the Feds that he had information on this
00:42:35
case have to do with the bigger picture let's just say that his cooperation and this is key this is key to our story
00:42:44
here Captain his cooperation with the author authorities on the Wales case and also the flowers case that we already
00:42:51
went through this is what would lead the FBI to turn him turn to him again in another case
00:42:58
down the road and we will see that that will have devastating consequences all right Captain so for those of you
00:43:07
following along at home and for those of you who are completely lost what we have
00:43:12
here is we have Scott Lee Kimball who has spent the last few years in and out of prison he's been arrested for
00:43:20
multiple different charges and even in different areas as well so regarding the the order of this let's go to 2002
00:43:31
because there's going to be something very significant to the story that takes place in 2002. this remember Scott was
00:43:37
arrested in Alaska for forging checks and because he escaped from that prison pre-release in Montana
00:43:45
in June He is transferred to federal prison in Littleton Colorado this is because he
00:43:55
told authorities that his life had been threatened by multiple inmates this is because he's a snitch by this point he's
00:44:02
snitched on his cellmates uh especially the we're talking about the flowers case
00:44:07
here so Scott's history of cooperating with authorities would soon earn him another informant role and
00:44:16
a prison release in the fall of 2002 Scott reported to the FBI that his cellmate a Steve Ennis
00:44:24
had asked Scott to murder another drug dealer this guy's name is Jason price who was going to testify against Steve
00:44:33
Ennis was doing 10 years in federal prison on drug charges for running a massive
00:44:39
ecstasy distribution Network and the DEA was monitoring his activities carefully
00:44:47
now it's unclear what if anything Steve Ennis was really cooking up again is this something that Steve Ennis was
00:44:54
actually putting into place or is this something that Scott Kimball is manufacturing and providing bogus
00:45:00
information in regards to it seems possible that Steve might have made some noises about
00:45:06
wanting this guy dead and then Scott acted on that um it's unclear what Steve thought Scott's
00:45:15
role in Steve's plans were because he wasn't supposed to be getting out anytime soon
00:45:21
so that's what's a little tricky here how would Steve think that Scott could help him while they're both on the
00:45:29
inside and so this makes three times well yeah and that's why I kind of pointed out that I think it's a little
00:45:37
strange that Steve would try to get Scott involved in this whole murder For Hire plot
00:45:45
because how would Steve think that Scott could provide him any assistance in this when
00:45:51
Scott is looking at doing almost as much time as as Steve right you know you how's he going to get this
00:46:00
going from the inside Steve could probably get this going on his own from the inside and we know how these prison
00:46:07
populations work this dude was already moved there because he's saying hey I'm being threatened because I'm a snitch
00:46:14
I've ratted out some other guys before so Scott seems like the last person that an inmate would tell hey I'm
00:46:22
thinking about killing this guy that's going to testify against me at trial this this rival uh drug dealer or
00:46:30
whatever you want to call him I want this guy dead it doesn't make sense that he would tell Scott that's why I
00:46:36
question here Captain is this something that Scott just totally manufactured all
00:46:40
on his own because he's learned time and time again and he's he's executed this before where he goes you know I'm going
00:46:47
to either make up this stuff about this guy or I'm going to rat on this dude over over real stuff
00:46:53
either way it's going to benefit me in in this situation it could get me out of prison very quickly
00:47:02
so that that's why I wanted to bring that up because we got to keep in mind even though he's becoming an informant
00:47:08
and he's ratting on these dudes is there a chance that he's just manufacturing all this stuff himself
00:47:14
and putting the pieces together and then feeding it to the authorities so really this situation to me is very
00:47:22
reminiscent of the flowers case that we already discussed because somehow Scott got word to the
00:47:28
FBI that his cellmate Steve Ennis was plotting to kill someone on the outside and again as I stated this is another
00:47:35
witness yeah this is when the FBI will the same setup right it's like it it's like you said you can you can watch
00:47:44
those interviews you can see him you can listen to him speak there's a brain in there this guy is but there's also
00:47:50
brains in the FBI agents you would think they'd go hey this this seems familiar oh I agree with you 100 100 it's strange
00:47:58
to me how this guy was able to make this work time and time again but I do think
00:48:05
he's probably pretty good at what he did and that's no excuse but it's also one of these things that he's like Scott
00:48:11
Kimball figured out like this works and I'm gonna keep doing it until it stops working
00:48:18
so what we have here is he wasn't a known con man a known criminal guy that suspected in other other crimes other
00:48:27
than con man situations the FBI there's no excuse for that there's no excuse for
00:48:36
our FBI to be tricked oh I'm not going to pretend it's completely dumb of them to believe him time and time again I
00:48:43
think what they're blinded by is what we pointed out earlier this is a this is a
00:48:48
paper case guy pretty low level who doesn't seem to be violent I mean we do have those allegations of things by his
00:48:56
ex-wife but there were never charges brought forward on any of that so they're not seeing that stuff
00:49:02
but what what they're seeing is oh we got these bigger fish that we want to go after oh they're seeing that stuff they
00:49:09
know that it happened and they know there was no charges that that stuff doesn't just go away the
00:49:16
FBI would know that stuff or should know that stuff you wouldn't have any record of it though
00:49:23
I'm just saying they should I'm just saying that RF if there was a a possible situation that their charges were never
00:49:31
brought that might not go on your criminal history but that's not that's not the record that the FBI has of each
00:49:38
individual in America they have a lot of data on you on me on every listener that's listening to the show well
00:49:47
regardless this is going to be when the FBI formally will take on Scott Kimball as an actual informant and this is going
00:49:55
to earn Scott a release from prison yeah hold on because if if he fools you twice
00:50:00
might as well have him work for you this takes place on December 18 2002 when Scott is released from prison in
00:50:09
order to quote actively cooperate with the FBI on the Stephen Ennis matter end quote what was Scott's role in this
00:50:17
whole thing well he was ordered by FBI agent Carl schlaff to pretend to be a man named Joseph Lee Scott and the FBI
00:50:26
was going to set him up with this new identity provided to him and they gave him a
00:50:34
birth certificate and a driver's license saying that he was in fact Joseph Lee Scott so Scott Kimball who is now Joe
00:50:43
Scott he's put in charge of keeping an eye on Steve ennis's girlfriend her name is
00:50:50
Jennifer Markham so Scott Kimball told authorities this is how we get to Jennifer Markham
00:50:56
he told authorities that Jennifer Markham anus's girlfriend since she is the one on the outside she is going to
00:51:04
be the one that sets up this whole murder plot I'm guessing that means Kimball told law enforcement that she
00:51:12
was going to hire the killer so Jennifer Markham was also a potential witness for
00:51:18
the DEA in a large meth case the short of it is Scott Lee Kimball is now out of prison living under a new identity and
00:51:29
working with the FBI and all of this is going to turn into some very bad bad business and fairly quickly
00:51:39
now before we wrap up here Captain we must give a big thank you and shout out to a website this is
00:51:47
scottleykimble.com It's a website that is maintained by The Daily Camera which is a Boulder Colorado newspaper dating
00:51:55
all the way back to 1890. that's right your great great grandfather was reading the Daily Camera
00:52:02
the website was invaluable to our research and the site includes a timeline and links to numerous articles
00:52:09
about the case and if the name the Daily Camera sounds familiar long time listeners will remember the Daily Camera
00:52:16
was a great source for our six-part JonBenet Ramsey coverage which took place in episodes 280 to 285.
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