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crime [Music] this is true crime garage and this is the case of Casey Anthony sound being recorded hello hi I
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I drove to the police department here on persy if you guys are closed I need to bring someone into the police department
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can you tell me where I can the closest one I can come into what what are you trying to accomplish by bringing them to
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the station I have a 22y old person that has um Grand be sitting in my auto with
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me so the 22y old person stole something yes is this a relative yes where did they steal it
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from um my car and also money okay is this your son daughter okay so your daughter stole money from
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your car no my car was stolen we've retrieved it today we found out where it was at
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retrieved it I've got that and I've got affidavit for my banking account I want to bring her in press charget where
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where did all of this happen oh it's it's been happening I know but I need to establish a
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jurisdiction is what I'm trying oh I live in um in Orlando yeah but what address did these thefts occur at um
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well I guess my residence I guess okay that's actually going to be in the jurisdiction of the Sheriff's Office ma'
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not orando Police Department all right let me transfer you over to the communications section for Orange County
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okay now is the orando sheriff's department the one on 436 that is that open this afternoon
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this evening um the substation you're at on purging if it's Orlando Police re open primarily during the day uhhuh but
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that's not the sheriff that's City police which does not have jurisdiction for your I know there's the sheriff's
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department on I mean on 436 well what I'm going to do is I'm going to transfer you to the Sheriff's communication
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section and you can um determine that hold on okay CU my next thing will be down the
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child thing and we'll have a court order get that's where you want to play we'll
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do it you'll never well then you have no I'm not giving you another day I've giving you a
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month 911 what is the address what's happening um I have someone here that I need to um be arrested in my
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home they're there right now possible missing child I have a three-year-old that's been missing for a month a
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three-year-old yeah have you reported that I'm trying to do that now ma'am okay what did the person do that
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you need arrested my daughter for what for stealing an auto and stealing money I already spoke with someone they
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said they would patch me through the Orlando um Sheriff's Department have a deputy here I was in the car I was going
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to drive her to the police station and my one's open they said they would bring a deputy to my home when I got home to
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call them so she stole your vehicle yes when did she do that um on the 30th I just got it back
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from the impound I'd like to speak to an officer can you have someone come out to
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my house okay okay I got to ask you these questions if I can put them in the in the call okay
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okay 30th of June yes okay how old is your daughter 22 hey what's her name my name her name her
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name and you said you have this vehicle back yes that has the um statement she's
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there right now yes I got her I finally found her after a month she's been missing for a month I found her but we
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can't find my granddaughter um 5 foot one and a half thin medium or heavy buil thin color hair brown
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what color uh shirt is you wearing white what color pan oh they're shorts they're um plaid
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they're like pink and teal and white black plaid does she have any weapons on her
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no is he not telling you where her daughter is correct okay we'll have a deputy out to
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you as soon as one's available okay thank you thank you bye bye 911 what's your emergency I called a little bit ago the
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deputy sheriff I found out my granddaughter has been taken she has been missing for a month her mother
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finally admitted that she's been missing someone here now okay what is the address that you're calling from we're
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talking about a three-year-old little girl my daughter finally admitted that the baby's in the
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store I need to find her your daughter admitted that your the baby is where baby said took her a month ago that that
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my daughter's been looking for I told you my daughter was missing for a month I just found her today but I can't find
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my granddaughter she just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her herself there's something wrong I found
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my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in a damn car okay what is a three-year-old name
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kayy c a y l e e Anthony kayy Anthony yes okay is she white Black Or Hispanic she's
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white how long has she been missing for I have not seen her since the 7th of June what is her date of
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birth um 8 89 200000 oh God she's three she's 2005 Casey says took her a month ago she's been listening for a mon okay
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I just can I need I I understand can you just can you calm down for me for just a
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minute and just I need to know what's going on okay I'm gonna try and we can start is your is your daughter there
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have fun with them is daughter there yes can I speak with her do you mind if I speak with her
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thank you I called them two hours ago they haven't gotten here she finally admitted
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took her month ago ma'am ma'am they want to talk to question hello hello yes hi well can
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you can you tell me what's going on a little bit I'm sorry can you tell me a little bit what's going
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on my daughter's been missing for the last 31 days and you know who has her I know who
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has her I've tried to contact her I actually received a phone call today now from a number that is no longer in
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service I did get to speak to my daughter for about a moment about a minute okay did you guys call and report
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a vehicle stolen um yes my mom did okay so there's been a vehicle stolen too no this is my
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vehicle what vehicle was stolen um it's a 98 Pontiac Sunfire okay I have deputies on the way to you right now for
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that but now you're now you're threey old okay you're three old daughters missing Kaye Anthony yes white female
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Anthony yes white female three years old 89 2005 is her date of birth yes and you
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last saw her a month ago 31 days I'm 31 one days who has her you do you have a name
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her name is Zena Fernandez Gonzales who is that babysitter she's she's been my nanny for about a year and
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a half almost two years can why why are you calling now why didn't you call 31 days ago I've
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been looking for her and have gone through other resources to try to find her which was stupid okay can you can
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you give me the name of the The Nanny again like spell it out for me Ziva z n a i d
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a last name Fernandez Fernandez hyen Gonzalez I think the officers are here the officers are there yes okay
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hold on a second don't hang up with me [Applause] yet I need you okay [Music] Kaye Anthony was born August 9th 2005
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she lived with her mother Casey and Casey's parents George and Cindy Anthony in a ranch style home in Orlando Florida
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Casey was 19 when she gave birth to Kaylee in June of 2008 the two were still living with George and Cindy
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Kaylee is now 2 years old and Casey 22 years old on June 9th Casey and Kaylee move out of George and Cindy's house and
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move in with Casey's ex-boyfriend Ricardo Morales and his friend Amy on Sunday June 15th 2008 Kaylee goes with
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Cindy to visit Cindy's father in an assisted living facility later that day Kaylee and Cindy swim together in the
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Anthony amilies above ground pool this is Father's day and before the night was over there was going to be a showdown in
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the Anthony household and I'm guessing that this was not the first of its kind Cindy who was 50 years old she is
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attacking Casey's parenting skills or lack thereof right Casey decides to argue back and this argument becomes
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pretty heated and at one point allegedly Cindy is threatening that her and George
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are going to take legal custody of Kaye mhm and at some point Cindy has her hands around Casey's neck George ends up
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diffusing the situation uh and everybody they they just kind of part their ways but a
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pretty heated argument takes place that evening the next day is Monday June 16th
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now this is a workday and at this time Cindy is a nurse and she works during the day George is working basically a
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second shift security job his workday typically starts at 300 p.m. so after Cindy leaves for work work we would just
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have Casey and Kaylee and George there for the morning hours mhm until Casey goes off to work and Kaylee goes to the
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babysitter's apartment George would later say that he last Saw Casey and Kaylee as they left the house at 12:50
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p.m. at 2:30 p.m. George left for work and this would be the last time any of her parents actually see Casey with
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Kaylee yes in the next few weeks George and Cindy do not see Casey or Kaylee they they did however talk on the phone
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with Casey several times MH on these occasions Cindy would ask to speak with the little Kaylee and each time she
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would be unable to do so because the child was with her nanny or at an amusement park but she was the little
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kid was always busy doing something and Cindy would not be able to speak with her Casey would tell her parents that
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she was she was quite busy mostly with work uh and some personal things as well and where is she working at she was
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currently working at the very popular Universal Studio Theme Park mhm on June 30th a 1998 white Pontiac Sunfire was
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towed from a store parking lot the vehicle was considered to have been abandoned and was transferred to the
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Johnson's recer service inpound lot on July 3rd Cindy posted on her Myspace page the following this precious angel
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from above gave me strength and unconditional love jealousy has taken her away jealousy from the person who
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should be thankful for all of the support given to her on July 7th pretty much we can assume in retaliation Casey
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post on her own page what is titled Diary of days that says what is given can be taken away everyone lies everyone
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dies life will never be easy well and for kids that don't understand what Myspace is MySpace was basically the
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precursor to Facebook but again don't you don't need to air your dirty laundry on social media for everybody out there
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to see huh yeah well I just think it's hilarious like oh I'm going to make this statement and then and I'm not going to
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address who I'm talking to and then they're going to make a statement it's just very childish on July 15th George
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Anthony at he's at home and he does he post on his Myspace page George got on there and said yes everybody does die
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and everybody lies I don't have any posts from George but on on on the 15th of July when he's at home receives a
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certified letter from Johnson's recer service this notifying him that the 1998 Pontiac Sunfire registered to him and
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his wife Cindy has been sitting in the impound lot George then calls Cindy Cindy is at work and the two go to
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retrieve the vehicle uh this is of major concern to both George and Cindy because
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even though the vehicle is owned by the two of them the vehicle was primarily being used by Casey to the point of well
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you'd probably just consider the car to be hers right and this was the car that Casey and Kaylee had left the Anthony
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house in on June 16th right and this is going to be pretty alarming to the parents because not only are they
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worried about their daughter but they're also worried about their granddaughter yeah the two were supposed to have been
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on a mini vacation in Jacksonville Florida so finding this vehicle abandoned is very scary for them um they
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get to the impound lot but before George attempted to start the Sunfire he asked
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the impound lot attendant to check the trunk of the vehicle with him uh they both smelled a terrible smell inside the
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vehicle and he thought they better check the trunk because George thought it was
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possible that he might find the body of Casey or Kaylee or maybe even both of them in the trunk with the with the
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vehicle being abandoned right now listeners are probably thinking how does this make any sense well let's go back a
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little bit with George's History George was uh police officer for a time period and also in his trans transition phase
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of work he was also security guard M so at his time of being uh in law enforcement he smelled you know a dead
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body correct and so he feels like what he is smelling is that of a dead body and the crazy thing here too Captain is
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that not only does George have that experience but I don't have the gentleman that from the impound lot I
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don't have his name here with me he's actually familiar with that experience as well because they had they had towed
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a vehicle at one point and there was they found a body in it you know days after it sat on the lot um instead you
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know the two men they po the trunk uh and thankfully so they they find a white trash bag full of garbage uh this kind
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of explaining the smell to the two men uh George looked in the bag the attendant then removed the bag and threw
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it in a dumpster the vehicle they found was out of gas so they put a little gas in the car and George drove off in the
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Sunfire Cindy was Furious about the car uh and so she makes some calls to some of Casey's friends because she wants to
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not only is she Furious that the car has been towed I mean they had to pay a small fortune to get this car back and
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then on top of that you know this is a car you're letting your daughter use right you're paying the insurance you're
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you probably paid for the car yeah and you're you're helping out your kid this car is abandoned but but also you're
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probably worri worried about your child's safety well and this is you know here's somebody that they keep enabling
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and enabling uh George in one of his statements to the law enforcement claims that there was multiple times where you
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know she would steal gas from the home or she'd steal money you know here and there to to fill up the tank but also
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she had an easy pass and instead of slowing down for the Easy Pass well no maybe she didn't have an easy pass but
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she would claim well I threw the money in there and the you know the toll pass for anybody that doesn't know so we have
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some states have tolls that you have to pay and she would go through these toll Lanes claim that she put money in it and
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then come back and he would be fine because the car was registered in their name correct so whoever the car is
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registered in has to pay those fines and so this guy is going look we help you with your daughter you know we help with
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our grandkid we pay for your gas we paid for the car pay for the insurance and you can't even pay the toll right right
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and now I have to go down and fish this car out of an impound lot and then on several occasions too they they believed
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that Casey had used their credit cards or charge cards without permission so this is kind of an ongoing thing and I
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think what takes over here is you might lose track about worrying about the safety of the kid and now you're just so
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Furious that this is just continually happening again and again right and when when uh they go to visit the the
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grandfather that's in the nursing home that's another thing that's going on is they have a separate bank account that
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has money for him MH and there's actually some suspicious uh some suspicion that Casey is taking money
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from that account as well so they got a big problem on their hands yeah yeah so Cindy she tracks Down Casey uh calling
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some of her friends and finds out that Casey is in fact she's not in in Jacksonville at all uh she is at her
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boyfriend's home uh this is Tony Lazaro and Cindy drives out to Tony's condo uh she of course finds Casey there she is
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trying to get Casey and Kaylee to come home and she starts telling Casey that you know what if she can't talk Casey
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into coming home then she would just take Kaylee and take Kaylee home with her but Kaylee is not there she's not at
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the condo Casey finally agrees to go home with Cindy Cindy then calls the police on the way home right those are
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the 911 tapes you heard heard earlier yeah and she wants to charge her daughter with stealing the vehicle and
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stealing some money from her MH once they get back home Cindy calls 911 again requesting an officer to the house so
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that she can make a report against her daughter then a short time later a third call is made and of course we we just
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heard all three of these calls uh earlier but it's the third call when little Kaylee is finally reported
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missing not by Casey but by kayle's grandmother Cindy one has to wonder had Cindy not gone to Tony's condo and
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Tracked Down Casey that night how long would it have been until little Kaye would be reported missing right
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currently we're at 31 days and what's interesting about that 911 call the third one is when she is calling and
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she's she tells Casey hey they want to talk to you and you can hear faintly Casey Anthony say I don't have any
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anything to talk to them about now your daughter has been missing for 31 days and you don't got anything to talk to
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the law enforcement about that you know that's pretty strange to me well when the Orange
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County Sheriff's Department arrived at the Anthony Hol it's detective Yuri melish that will be in charge of
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interviewing the family and taking statements George had told melish that George had once worked in law
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enforcement up in Warren Ohio and that Casey was not being truthful and that they had retrieved the car from the
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impound lot earlier that day and that the vehicle smelled and these are his words smelled like death right uh malish
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focused on Casey's statements uh he asked her to repeat her story several times and even asked her if she would
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like to change anything before he took a sworn statement from her she did not want to change anything and she
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delivered the same story time and time again well remember she has nothing to talk to them about well Casey stated
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that she had last seen Kaye on the morning of June 9th uh so we have a discrepancy in days already Casey took
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Kaye to the babysitters on her way to work the babysitter is well let's just let's be clear about this discrepancy
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she's saying well the last time I saw my daughter was June 9th right but the last
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time that any of the family members recall seeing her with the granddaughter is on the 16th June 16th right the
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babysitter's name is zenid Fernandez Gonzalez more famously known as zany The Nanny yes and she according to Casey
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lives in Orlando's Saw Grass Apartments in unit 210 uh which is located on the second floor Casey said that she went
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back to the apartment after work to pick up Kaye but no one was home no one answered the door she called Z Zen's
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cell phone and again no answer uh Casey states that she waited in front of the apartment for a while expecting them to
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return she then went to Blanchard Park where zenid sometimes took the kids right uh after which she then went to
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some stores and shops where she thought she may find the babysitter with Kaylee which makes all logical sense I go to
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pick up my kid from the babysitter they're not there well where could they be right and also you know cell phones
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are pretty popular at this point so you could be making some calls you can be sending out some TT
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messages she tried calling her and says that that there was no answer on the phone so she goes around looking for
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Kaye and the babysitter even at the stores and the shop but again this doesn't pan out and uh she decides that
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after not being able to find the two that she would go to her boyfriend's condo where she had been staying since
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uh she said that she was staying at Tony's because she felt safe there and that while she was staying there she was
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actually conducting her own investigation to locate Kaye M and to get her daughter back um she didn't
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contact law enforcement because she had seen on TV and in movies that when a person is kidnapped or taken hostage
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that people get hurt once law enforcement is contacted Casey was asked to produce the babysitter's phone number
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which she says she doesn't have this number memorized uh but the number is stored on her phone which has been left
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at her office at work at Universal Studios Casey says that she has known zenid for years and she's been watching
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and taking care of Kaylee for almost two years yeah a year and a half to two years she says that she met zenid from a
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mutual friend his name is Jeffrey Hopkins Casey worked with Jeffrey Hopkins and Jeffrey's son four-year-old
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Zach was one of the kids that zenid was watching and caring for as well then law
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enforcement are going to wonder well if you didn't tell your parents you know that 31 days ago that The Nanny took
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your kid who did you tell yeah yeah so she states that she did tell some of her co-workers uh she told Jeffrey Hopkins
00:29:06
who we already mentioned as well as Juliet Lewis another cooworker at Universal Juliet Lewis okay when asked
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if her in investigation had provided any intel she says no uh what efforts did she make to track down Kaylee Casey says
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she tried to make contact with Zen's mother Gloria uh she in fact made several attempts to call and get in
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touch with Gloria Gloria Stefan uh could she give the detective Gloria's phone number and she states no
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that she could not uh double-checking that this is not simply a custody dispute uh they inquire about the father
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of Kaye and they learn from Casey uh that the father's name is Eric and Eric had died in a car accident Casey's
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parents tell the detective they have never met Eric Eric detective melish asked Casey if she had any problems with
00:30:02
narcotics specifically cocaine ecstasy meth or anything like that uh Casey States no she doesn't have any drug
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problems melish then ask if Casey had ever been to Lakeside which is a local mental health facility and she states
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that she has not we're going to get right back to the law enforcement questioning of Casey Anthony right after
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00:32:43
regarding The Disappearance of her daughter Kaylee now remember she had stated that she had in fact told two
00:32:49
co-workers that the nanny had run off with with her daughter and she was conducting her own investigation right
00:32:56
they want to know more about about these co-workers and this is Jeffrey and Juliet that we had mentioned earlier so
00:33:01
they ask you know does Juliet still work at Universal Casey says yes she does well what is Juliet's job Casey says
00:33:09
that she's an EV an event coordinator okay great can you give us her phone number no she cannot and in
00:33:17
fact this must have triggered some memory because Casey explains that she was mistaken that Juliet does not work
00:33:25
for Universal anymore that she left 2 months ago and moved back to her home state of New York so
00:33:33
let's go to Zen's apartment and see what's going on over there right right so they asked Casey if she could take
00:33:40
them to the babysitter's apartment of course she can and she said that she would she would be pretty sure that she
00:33:47
could yeah that's a that's a flag there right yeah yeah cuz when I drop my kids off at the babysitter I'm not really for
00:33:54
sure which apartment they go into well cas Anthony leads them to the apartment complex and then to the upstairs
00:34:01
apartment unit of 210 yeah she gets out of her car that gets out of the police officer's car and says she lives in that
00:34:07
one mhm well the sheriff's department quickly discovered that no one is living in the apartment uh melish then asked if
00:34:16
uh if she could think of any other place where zenid would have lived before you
00:34:21
know she started living there well now now look look I I don't know if this raises that many Flags because if you
00:34:29
take somebody's kid you might not be there right you might just pack up all your stuff and hit the road mhm well
00:34:37
Casey explains that she knows where Zena's mother Gloria used to live and she says that she could take them to
00:34:44
Gloria with the sound machine apartment complex they arrive as directed by Casey
00:34:50
and this turns out that the place is a home for the elderly melish checks with the home no one there has has ever heard
00:34:57
of Gloria surprise surprise they drive around with Casey until 3: in the morning and then they take her back home
00:35:05
to the anony and when they get back to the anthonies so they drop her off but what's interesting here is that George
00:35:12
is going to come out and talk to the police officers yeah he's he's going to tell melish that Casey has been lying to
00:35:18
him and that there is something very suspicious going on in his opinion and that the detective should continue to
00:35:24
investigate this the next morning Casey and Cindy spend most of the morning building Myspace and Facebook pages for
00:35:32
missing Kaylee Anthony yeah that's they were also texting and calling friends and persons in the community to organize
00:35:40
a search and spreading the word of kayle's disappearance and I yeah I think it was uh the day before or that day was
00:35:48
when there was a a mass text message group you know where you group everybody and I think she's uh Casey sends out a
00:35:56
huge text message to everybody all her contacts saying hey look my daughter's been missing now for 32 days and and you
00:36:04
know if you have any information I think the Nanny took her mhm well it's around
00:36:10
noon that Casey is picked up by the sheriff's department and they are going to go looking for Casey's phone at her
00:36:16
work so they can start reaching out to the babysitter and the co-workers uh you know she she didn't
00:36:23
know these phone numbers so we have to get to that phone right Casey agrees to go with the officers to Universal
00:36:28
Studios however she informs them that her phone has been stolen and this occurred while she was at work she has
00:36:37
reported the incident to loss prevention and they are looking for Casey Anthony's
00:36:41
phone right when they pull up to the security check-in gate at Universal Casey does not have her identification
00:36:48
badge with her oh really she explains that she has lost the badge the officers convinced security to let them through
00:36:57
they pulled up to an office building Casey takes the officers inside makes a left-hand turn and walks them back down
00:37:05
a back hallway when she suddenly well well you're missing a part of the story cuz they actually talked to one of like
00:37:12
the front front of house people and she's saying hey well I need to talk to this person well what's their extension
00:37:19
well this is their extension there's nobody the extension didn't work right right so this guy has no clue you know
00:37:26
so not only does the front gate let them through but the front office then they go okay well if you want to search
00:37:32
around maybe I am mistaken you're here with law enforcement you claim you work here
00:37:38
so okay find your office yeah and when she goes down this Corridor or it goes down this hallway they go to a dead end
00:37:47
yeah and and then she turns around and says uh I don't work here yeah okay I don't work here and and the police
00:37:56
officer kind of they kind of had their suspicion that this was the case anyways but they wanted her to come out and and
00:38:04
be the one to say I'm lying yeah and I think they wanted to give her enough rope to hang herself as the old
00:38:11
expression goes um what they were able to confirm is the following they did confirm that Casey had in fact worked at
00:38:18
Universal at one time however she had been fired April 24th 2006 when she failed to show up for work right which
00:38:26
was like 2 years prior mhm the detectives are at Universal with her on July 16th 2008 and she hadn't worked
00:38:35
there for over two years right a quick check of the names of the co-workers that Casey had said she told about The
00:38:42
Disappearance of Kaylee Jeffrey Hopkins uh he did work at Universal but he was fired back in 2002 and Juliet Lewis did
00:38:52
not exist they couldn't find any record of her at all Julia Lewis driis right yeah and and Casey had also said that
00:39:01
her Supervisor was Tom Frank uh Tom also did not exist well that's a horrible name to come up with Tom Frank yep well
00:39:09
that was her boss welcome to True Crime garage my name is Tom Frank well they decide to arrest Casey and they take her
00:39:17
back to the station for further questioning and even when they confront her with her lies Casey sticks to her
00:39:25
story um she claims she did not know where Kaylee was and again the last time she had seen her was with zenida with
00:39:33
the babysitter was on the nth now okay here's a list of the lies so far one your kid didn't go missing on the 9th
00:39:42
your parents saw the kid with you on the 16th mhm so line number one uh I work at
00:39:48
this place I've been working there for 2 years she been telling your parents that
00:39:51
you've been working at this place for 2 years lie mhm she's with the nanny she lives here lie yeah well they they
00:40:01
confirmed I work here they confirmed that that not only did zenid Fernandez Gonzalez not live there um she never
00:40:09
lived there right that that apartment had been vacant for 142 days no one had occupied that space for 142 days right
00:40:19
and so then when she says well I told this person at work I told this person at work one person worked there the
00:40:23
other two people were made up now the police officer have to be thinking that zany the nanny is probably a fictitious
00:40:30
person mhm mhm so I mean we got a slew of Lies you know and then again oh well we're going you've been lying to your
00:40:40
parents for 30 some days right so every time you called and every every time you
00:40:46
talked to your parents you lied yeah for 31 days she wasn't in Jacksonville like
00:40:52
she said she would be she was at the boyfriend's apartment uh uh and then furthermore you know the the crazy thing
00:40:59
here Captain is people lie I get it right there there are people out there that lie but the thing that seems very
00:41:07
crazy to me is is that she has given detailed lies she's she's come up with names first and last names of people
00:41:17
she's given them job titles she's also stated that Juliet Lewis was an event coordinator who just quit two months ago
00:41:24
and returned to her home state of New York right yeah and she went on to tell that you know Juliet Lewis came from a
00:41:31
um a well-to-do background that she grew up in New York she worked on the Seinfeld show she grew up in New York
00:41:37
and then she moved to Florida uh to go to college and then afterwards she started working at Universal so she's
00:41:43
got this whole life story for some of these people we're talking about Jeffrey Hopkins uh she states that he has a
00:41:51
four-year-old son Zack who is being watched by the same Nanny as her daughter Kaye I mean these are these are
00:41:58
extensive lies here you're making up fake people and then giving them fictitious well look that makes a lot of
00:42:05
sense if you're a fake person why wouldn't you have a fictitious son you know what I'm saying I
00:42:11
mean look there are some people that are just chronic Liars habitual Liars yeah that's the ticket and that's what she is
00:42:20
MHM you know well she's arrested and charged with child neglect this is for failing to report missing especially
00:42:28
after this much time has passed and she has been lying to law enforcement obviously Casey was originally assigned
00:42:35
a public defender lawyer however she had asked a relative to contact a private attorney to see about taking her case
00:42:43
attorney Jose bz was operating a small firm in Kissam Florida and he gets the phone call uh his secretary sent him to
00:42:54
the jail to meet with his new potential client Jose was unaware that this case had been on the news at this time when
00:43:02
bz arrived at the jail there was a public defender waiting there to meet with Casey the public defender advised
00:43:10
Casey not to speak with anyone that the case had been on the news and detectives
00:43:15
would probably be going down there again soon to meet with her for further questioning and she should not be
00:43:21
talking with anyone unless she has an attorney representing her and present during any and all talks the public
00:43:28
defender then left why cuz everything she's going to say is just you know Malarkey anyways the public defender
00:43:34
then left and Jose Bas meets with Casey Anthony for the first time and what they
00:43:38
have to do is they have a bond hearing set so they got to figure out what the bond is and then if can they pay that so
00:43:44
she can actually go home yeah the first thing that Jose says that he believes to
00:43:49
be strange about this whole case is that when he's reviewing Casey Anthony's paperwork it clearly states on their no
00:43:57
bond and most of the time with these lesser charges especially for someone without a criminal history usually they
00:44:04
set a reasonable dollar amount to set to set for this person to make bail right I
00:44:10
think the problem here though is what he's not understanding is when you lie to a law enforcement over and over and
00:44:16
over and we have a missing child that's under the age of three we might start suspecting Foul Play immediately well
00:44:24
and you're exactly right and that's something that he quickly realizes he does realize that you know what this
00:44:31
this phone call that I got regarding a child neglect case uh is in fact a missing person's case and this could
00:44:38
very likely turn into a homicide case um Jose Bas then goes and meets with Casey's parents uh for the first time
00:44:46
and he's explaining he's explaining what he's going to do is file a motion to get
00:44:52
Casey out of jail during this visit Cindy would EXP explain to Jose the many excuses that Casey had told her during
00:44:59
the 31 days that Kaye and Casey were not at their home you know and we don't need
00:45:04
to go through all of these stories because we all obviously know now that these were all lies uh most of the
00:45:11
excuses involve Casey's job which we know she didn't have and the nanny which after learning about the apartment it
00:45:18
looks like nanny The Nanny doesn't even exist right and then let's just get that
00:45:22
whole part out of the way the the police do eventually find an individual with this person's name so zany the nanny is
00:45:31
real but she didn't know who Casey Anthony was or Kaylee Anthony never heard of him and there is no connection
00:45:38
it just so happens that they found somebody with that name it also just so happens that Casey Anthony also picked a
00:45:45
pretty you know common name and she might have knew about this person somehow beforehand well and I think they
00:45:52
were a they were further able to confirm that this this real zenid that they found never in fact worked as a
00:45:59
babysitter or an ananny in any capacity at all right right right so let's just get that off the table so after agreeing
00:46:07
to an attorney fee of $5,000 Jose bayas becomes Casey Anthony's attorney on July
00:46:13
17 2008 now it's on July 22nd that Casey Anthony had her bond hearing the judge ruled that because Casey was now a
00:46:22
suspect in the Disappeared case that they would be setting a bond much higher than usual and they end up setting the
00:46:29
bond at $500,000 damn after this Bond heing Casey told Jose that she has something
00:46:36
very important to tell him Casey said that she was in her cell when an inmate came by and with her hands she signaled
00:46:45
to Casey five and then five the inmate was staring at Casey and her lips with her lips she mouthed the words timer 55
00:46:56
Casey explained that what this actually had meant was what had actually happened
00:47:01
to Kaylee stating the following that Casey wait you sure she wasn't trying to say primer 55 uh according to according
00:47:11
to Jose bz it's timer 55 okay timer 55 and we'll let Casey Anthony explain what that means I can't trust the damn thing
00:47:19
she says go ahead she says that that that her and Kaylee were with zenida at Blanchard Park
00:47:26
zenida took Kaylee and put her in her car in Zena's car when Casey asked what the woman was doing zenida grabbed Casey
00:47:35
and with a very hostile tone had told her that she was not a good mother and that she didn't know how lucky she was
00:47:43
MH and that she was going to teach Casey a lesson zenid jumped in her car and as
00:47:49
she was pulling away she said that she would make contact with Casey giving her further
00:47:56
instructions Casey said that zenid contacted her and told Casey to change all of her passwords to timer 55 on her
00:48:05
computer okay an interesting thing here though Captain is that investigators did
00:48:11
find that Casey's Myspace and Facebook passwords were both in fact timer 55 Casey said if you count 55 days from
00:48:23
June 16th the date that Kay was last seen even though she claimed it was the 9th mhm okay you get August 9th August
00:48:32
9th is ky's birthday uh stating this is exactly 55 days and is it if if you do that you know what I didn't I as I'm
00:48:42
reading this I didn't look it up but this is this is Jose B's story that he that that as told to him by Casey
00:48:50
Anthony um do you want to look it up real quick we could yeah hold on so it's Tech technically 54 but if you count the
00:48:58
16th you know then then we do get to that 55 days timer 55 that's that's odd and yeah I actually dove into this case
00:49:07
a bunch and I actually haven't heard about this yet so well so exactly 55 days from the day that she took the girl
00:49:14
until the girl's birthday on August 9th and zenid states that she's going to give Casey instructions to go to
00:49:22
different places around Orlando to get k back on her birthday uh she says that zenid would post the places and
00:49:31
instructions on Casey's mypace and Facebook accounts and then erase them shortly after so there would be no trace
00:49:38
of this and that zenid could easily do this because she in fact had the passwords to those accounts MH um this
00:49:47
is when Jose Bas says that he realized that there was something very off about his client uh he said that this
00:49:56
in his conclusion either that Casey is an extremely bad liar or she's completely nuts I mean to tell him such
00:50:05
stories after he's already told her stop talking to me about zenid we we we don't
00:50:12
believe she exists you need to come up with a you know you need to come up with a different story you need to help us
00:50:16
find your daughter to get you out of this trouble and then she comes up with this elaborate timer 55 story mhm uh
00:50:24
well it sounds like uh you're a little nuto well not right exactly because not only is this an elaborate lie but then
00:50:31
on top of that to believe that zy the nanny has the power to to get an inmate to you know to te tell you about this to
00:50:41
remind you about timer 55 as you're sitting in jail she's probably talking about primer 55 well around this same
00:50:48
time um Cindy Casey's mother had requested a private meeting with Jose Bas and Cindy said that she had
00:50:54
something very very important that she wanted to tell bz M and she was telling him this because she needed Bas to relay
00:51:02
this information to Casey Cindy told Bas that she had received a letter from a man in Maryland who was planning to
00:51:10
plant a rose bush in the Anthony's backyard for kayle's birthday and that Cindy needed Casey to tell them the
00:51:18
exact spot where to plant the bush as a memorial to the little girl uh Bas said that he felt that this was a little
00:51:28
strange as well but he he took the message to Casey anyway and Casey offered no information as to where to
00:51:37
plant the bush basically stating you can plant it wherever you want I don't know
00:51:40
what she's talking about well it's just weird because it seems like it's all code you know like we're going to have
00:51:46
this rose bush planted almost like tell me uh I'm going to try to give this code
00:51:52
to my daughter hey tell me where to plant this bush in my yard thinking that maybe case will get the hint of did you
00:52:00
bury your daughter in our backyard yeah or did she die in a certain spot in the yard um right yeah it's almost like a
00:52:08
fishing Expedition where you know does did the mother come and I I want to be clear here about this this story with
00:52:14
Cindy um the only person that I've heard tell this story is Jose Bas so you know
00:52:22
there's no way to confirm that this actually took place MH I don't I don't see a reason why he might lie about it
00:52:29
um kind of a weird story to lie about yeah but but the thing that we're seeing here there's a lot of weird lies already
00:52:35
yeah yeah this this this whole thing is a bundle of Lies uh well remember Captain we talked about the $500,000
00:52:43
Bond um to get Casey Anthony out of jail well nobody change nobody in the Anthony
00:52:50
family had the funds to post the bond for Casey um but nonetheless someone did come forward um uh and bayz wanted Casey
00:52:59
out of jail not only so she could be with her family and assist with her defense but also that she could possibly
00:53:06
help find Kaylee in the process search yeah yeah so August 21st 2008 uh we have a new character enters the story we have
00:53:15
Bounty Hunter Leonard Padilla and he pays not Dog the Bounty Hunter no he pays Casey Anthony's $500,000 bail now
00:53:25
Leonard Padilla was a bounty hunter with a show on National Geographic Channel um
00:53:32
his goal was to become more successful and more popular than Dog the Bounty Hunter had had a hit show um and Leonard
00:53:40
paid the bail I think all you have to do is uh start making a bunch of racist remarks and you'll become more popular
00:53:46
than dog or more hated right yeah so he Leonard pays this bail and I'm guessing this is OB an obvious effort to promote
00:53:55
his show his name and his firm um you know that's a lot of money he did make an agreement with the defense that his
00:54:04
company would be able to be in the Anthony home watching over Casey that's just creepy well Casey was well they got
00:54:13
to watch over their investment right yeah I understand and Casey was fitted with an electronic tracking device uh
00:54:20
but Leonard's firm believed that Casey could be a suicide risk the security officers that watched over Casey have of
00:54:28
course gone on to give their interviews about their experiences and they have said that very quickly after they became
00:54:36
involved they knew they would not have to worry about suicide they could quickly tell that Casey cared far too
00:54:43
much about herself and that she would never commit suicide they have also said that that another eye-opening moment for
00:54:50
them was when they first got her home you know she's been in she's been in jail jail for quite some time and the
00:54:57
first thing like 30 some days the if you want to hit Paul's we can count the calendar um we're not counting any more
00:55:05
days but she's been in jail for quite some time and at this point they they bring her home and the first thing that
00:55:11
she said when she arrived at home was what's for dinner prison food sucks um you know nothing to do with her missing
00:55:20
daughter uh you know now we have a three-year-old daughter that is still missing
00:55:25
and would have celebrated her third birthday less than 2 weeks ago before this discussion about dinner took place
00:55:31
while Casey was locked up uh you know not what's going on with the searches not what's going on with the case just
00:55:38
what's for dinner right uh one of the male beef beef is what's what's for dinner one of the male officers had said
00:55:46
that he believed that Casey was often flirting with him he believes that she was someone that that might use her
00:55:52
sexuality to manipulate situations yeah think um but anyway when when she is released Bas drives her home in his SUV
00:56:02
accompanied by the security vehicles from Leonard's firm as they get closer to the Anthony home they start to see
00:56:09
the protesters signs you know signs saying things like baby killer and burn in hell [ __ ] and lock her up uh amongst
00:56:17
a whole Army of other things right and look we should be pretty clear about this because what happens in Florida is
00:56:24
is that anytime that there's information that is known to the police department I
00:56:30
believe that they have to disclose that well that's that Sunshine Law I believe it's called where the Freedom of
00:56:36
Information uh Sunshine Law that they have down there where it's almost everything is public record at some
00:56:41
point and not only that but this this story's been on the news and amongst most of the public she's probably
00:56:48
already been convicted because she's not behaving the way that you think that mother should well at this point people
00:56:55
are probably hopeful that they find their you know her child that they find Kaylee the problem is is that from the
00:57:04
get-go your kid's been missing for 31 days and you didn't tell anybody mhm uh what's what's up with that right you
00:57:13
know right you you you are a piece of [ __ ] well and I think that when she was released that this is when this thing
00:57:22
really turned into a circus I mean it was already a media frenzy from very early on but this thing got crazy I mean
00:57:30
protesters basically setting up shop in front of the Anthony house pounding you can see them pounding on the door
00:57:36
getting into fights with George there's one part where Cindy she's out front waving around a hammer like yeah she's
00:57:43
just screaming like she's too legit Too Legit to Quit y hey but she's waving it around almost like she has the intention
00:57:51
of of hitting somebody with it yeah cuz she's she's a I mean look the the Apple doesn't fall fall too far from the tree
00:57:59
here mhm and that's all I'm going to say about that well this this release from jail didn't last very long because just
00:58:08
8 Days Later the sheriff's department arrest Casey again this time it's for writing bad checks remember when Casey
00:58:16
and Kaye went to live with her former boyfriend and his friend Amy M well Casey had stolen some of Amy's she stole
00:58:24
Amy's check book and wrote four checks right uh this this is during the time that the state starts well so let's look
00:58:32
look let's dive into this for a little bit cuz one the initial claims that the mother said hey he stole my car uh she
00:58:38
didn't steal your car okay you the car was registered in your name and and your daughter had access to that car right
00:58:47
and you gave her access to that car I would argue she was the primary user of that car that like I said you could
00:58:53
basically call it car with the exception of it having you know a different name on the title right
00:58:59
that that car was not stolen but if there's money being taken from the grandpa if there's money being taken
00:59:06
from your account taken from your purse taken from your house if if she's stealing uh you know you know going over
00:59:13
and you know the gas can for the lawn mower if she's taken that and putting that into her car MH you know this is
00:59:20
all parts of being a theft and when you have no job for 2 years you got to come up with money somehow you have to come
00:59:27
up with money somehow especially because the people you are living with believe you to be working this entire time right
00:59:35
mhm they see this woman get up every day and leave with her daughter and supposedly go off to work dropping the
00:59:42
kid off somewhere I mean that's that's one hell of a marathon lie right that's not just like a that's not just a little
00:59:50
white lie that you just got to get through the day with this is something you get up and you repeat day after day
00:59:57
after day for for damn near two years all right so you know no more beef for dinner they lock her ass back up yeah
01:00:05
for the checks so she picked up for these these fraudulent checks and it's at this time that the state starts
01:00:12
talking about working out a possible deal with Casey Anthony that they might be willing to throw out some of these
01:00:18
lesser charges that Casey is facing and trade for the location and or confession
01:00:25
regarding her daughter Kaye right of course this deal is refused um on September 5th well didn't you hear the
01:00:34
timer 55 you know story mhm you didn't buy that you didn't you didn't think that was you know reality on September
01:00:43
5th Casey's parents post bond for her um I don't know how much of the bond they actually came up with sometimes these
01:00:51
things they can work out deals if your house is worth a certain amount of money so forth and so on you have a certain
01:00:56
amount of assets um but they basically get their daughter out of jail and again she is fitted with a tracking device and
01:01:04
and released one more time right it's on September 15th that Casey turns herself
01:01:11
in this time it's because of new fraud charges and false identification and petty theft yeah she spends one night in
01:01:21
jail and then she's released the next day because she's she's only being held overnight on these new charges which are
01:01:27
all pretty small misdemeanor charges um but she at least admits to those I I don't know that she admitted to them but
01:01:35
it was something they could only hold her for a night on those Char well but she turned herself in she turned herself
01:01:39
in somewhat admitting to this I think I think you're exactly right there Captain so she spends the night in jail
01:01:47
she's released the next day and then on October 14th Casey Anthony is indicted by a grand jury and she is looking at
01:01:56
first-degree murder charges child abuse manslaughter and giving law enforcement false information okay okay uh how does
01:02:04
this make any sense though how can you charge somebody with manslaughter when there is no body well
01:02:11
I don't understand the whole legality of the situation but from what I what I believe is that when a grand jury meets
01:02:19
and they decide that there's reason or cause to believe that a murder occurred there's a separate investigation go and
01:02:27
believe they detain that's being investigated for that I don't want to be emailed by every lawyer in in America
01:02:35
that's that's my understanding these are the facts though she was arrested right
01:02:40
okay so so we have this little hobbit person right Casey Anthony and she's lying to everybody MH and she's making
01:02:49
up people right and then she makes up this timer 55 story which you got to believe is real it it makes so much
01:02:59
sense yeah so and then you man that we that the planning of the rose bush is so strange
01:03:08
yeah and and we'll kind of get into this I don't do you want to get into the the
01:03:14
conversations with them at the police stations and in jail cuz one of the things that's like I said with the
01:03:21
Florida the Sunshine Law or whatever it is kind of this transparency thing when she's in jail she's being you know
01:03:29
visited by her mother and her father and also visited by her brother mhm and they're and these tapes are recorded you
01:03:37
can actually watch them in their entirety they actually give the inmate almost an hour to have conversations
01:03:43
with these individuals and I don't think that there is like a set amount where like if your lawyer shows up you can
01:03:49
talk to them for an hour if your parents show up you can talk to them for an hour
01:03:53
right uh and all these tapes are released you know so if her parents met with her let's say on a Friday some of
01:04:01
these tapes were being released to the media Outlets by Monday morning it was not taking that long for them to be
01:04:09
released that's why when you said you know there is no body found there is no you know as far as we know Kaylee is
01:04:16
still missing at this point right but because of all these weird interactions and the way she is acting on these tap
01:04:24
the public immediately starts going this troll did it mhm right well I I tell you
01:04:31
what I've seen the tapes at length and I've seen the cut versions that they show on TV M um I would throw a little
01:04:39
warning out there to to everybody listening that the cut versions look she doesn't look she doesn't make herself
01:04:45
look good in the long version or the cut version she's not good with makeup and I
01:04:50
would I would say though captain that I believe that some of the the TV stations
01:04:55
may have made her look even worse um they did they did cut things um and they slightly manipulated uh some of the
01:05:03
interactions especially with the parents I didn't notice it so much with the brother and her but more so with her and
01:05:09
her parents uh where they would kind of clip they would you might have a very lengthy question and she might give a
01:05:15
very lengthy answer and instead when you see it on TV you're going to get the the
01:05:20
the clipped version of that question with the with the most worst part of her answer uh right and odd actions are
01:05:27
lying like look at this point of covering this case yeah very odd actions you know she's lying we know that but
01:05:36
that doesn't mean that you're a murderer and that also doesn't mean that you're murderer of your daughter MH but there's
01:05:42
some very intera weird interactions and like I said about the rose bush thing is
01:05:47
so fascinating to me is if you watch the clip her brother Lee I believe his name
01:05:52
is Lee Anthony yeah so you got Lee Anthony and Casey Anthony talking um and she's just always so bubbly in these
01:06:00
these jailhouse interviews um or Communications she's bubbly in most of them but she's also hysterical in some
01:06:08
of them wouldn't you agree I mean not yeah but hysterical is probably not the right word because I think hysterical
01:06:13
iate right iate would be the more correct word I think because if you think hysterical my baby is missing I'm
01:06:21
crying I'm hysterical no she doesn't ask about her child it I don't think she ever brings up her child first it's
01:06:30
always the other individual whether she's talking to the parents or she's talking to the brother and they bring up
01:06:35
the child MH now look that's that's odd and if you watch the stuff that Lee Anthony talks about it's very strange to
01:06:44
me because uh and I I think I text you this when I was watching saying hey if I'm if I'm ever in jail and you come to
01:06:52
talk to me right mhm don't ever talk to me like this ever because he goes through this whole laundry list of by
01:07:00
the way our conversation will be recorded oh by the way if you want to communicate with us through letters this
01:07:09
is how you have to do it right this is the chain of command if you just give it to your lawyer your lawyer might read it
01:07:15
you have to give it to this person and if you give it to anybody else that letter can be read mhm so uh very
01:07:23
strange and then she is also you know making some friendships with some inmates while she's in jail right right
01:07:31
well you know what you you made me wonder about something here you know we talked about the road the rose bush
01:07:37
right and that was a a um a story that came from Jose bayz that that he is told that he is to deliver this message from
01:07:46
directly from a one-on-one conversation with Cindy to Casey and then hopefully get some kind of answer that he's going
01:07:54
to bring back to her and in another private conversation give her the answer and you're right it it's very cryptic
01:08:01
and but but does that make you it makes me wonder what's going on here is this is this Cindy trying to figure out if
01:08:09
her daughter did it yeah or or is it Cindy trying to assist her daughter in in in her in
01:08:20
her in innocence or or Proclaim her to be innocent by possibly moving something right like tell me where the body's
01:08:28
buried I'll I will dig it up and I I will I'll put it somewhere else and if they don't ever find this it's going to
01:08:35
be a lot harder for them to prosecute you right that's what it feels like to me I think you're right when we sat down
01:08:42
here today it felt more to me like Cindy was trying to figure out if her daughter
01:08:45
was guilty she's been on the fence about this and she needs some answers and even
01:08:49
if it's even no matter how she has to go about getting it she's willing to do so
01:08:54
but as we sit here and discuss it I think you're right I think I think maybe she was looking to help or move or
01:08:59
something yeah but if you watch the interaction between uh George uh Cindy and Casey it's very odd because there's
01:09:11
multiple times where the mother you know is looking at Casey and saying hey uh look at me look at me in the eyes yeah
01:09:21
now what the mother wasn't understanding was I to look at a monitor to see you talk and by doing so my eyes go down mhm
01:09:30
so I can't really do that but there's multiple times where it's like okay what what else do you
01:09:35
know what can he give us never mind the fact that you gave law enforcement all types of [ __ ] right
01:09:46
right all I mean you're making up people you know what I mean mhm you know what I'm saying with a full with a full
01:09:54
background story for each person you're like oh yeah yeah this person this uh zany The Nanny oh yeah she's real oh and
01:10:04
Tom old Tom Frank all I can think is like Tom Hanks Big shout out to all the Tom Franks out
01:10:13
there yeah if there's a Tom Frank that listened to this show Cheers meate so what else did you did you find anything
01:10:20
else odd about the interaction between Cindy and K I I think she kept on as much as she was
01:10:28
talking about well first of all let's just the elephant in the room is when she goes well right now our concern has
01:10:36
to be uh Kaye right right and then then the troll says well definitely my I don't I don't
01:10:46
know how she does you're going to try to make a voice I was going to do a voice for the troll but Casey is basically
01:10:51
saying that that I understand yeah IC concern but what about me yeah my life is being taken from me everything's
01:10:59
being taken from me me me me me m uh I know a lot of moms right oh you do that sounded real bad
01:11:09
hey I'm the captain and I know a lot of moms um no it sounds bad but none of my friends would act like that if their kid
01:11:19
was missing oh no they would be hysterical they wouldn't be irate they'd be hysterical they would be crying it'd
01:11:25
be hard to console them they couldn't even lie to you because it' be hard for them to get out anything but tears this
01:11:32
girl is not crying you know everybody else is tearful everybody else is fearful she's not crying well she she
01:11:41
wants to know what's for dinner she's she is crying at times but but the times that she appears to be crying to me is
01:11:47
when she gets angry about something right or or the focus is I either on her or not her if that makes sense you know
01:11:56
what I mean like it's it's almost like a sympathetic cry for herself rather than
01:12:01
for the situation or the situation that her daughter may be in um it and again with the anger when she cries when she's
01:12:09
anger angry it's for herself it's not for she's angered because she can't find her daughter right right when I but I
01:12:16
think some of it too though is when you've told so many lies that when you are telling the truth
01:12:23
or is anybody believing you that that would be a question too and so now she's in jail right and uh she's going to the
01:12:32
grand jury indicted her so she's going to be charged but at the end of the day we don't we still don't have a body
01:12:39
correct we yeah we've not gotten to the body yet there's a lot that we haven't got to with this case you know usually
01:12:46
when we pick these cases Captain sometimes we can sit down and we can determine you know we used to do one
01:12:51
show a week and that was that was a lot of fun um and we would have to cram everything into one episode let's go
01:12:57
back to one show a week and now we've been doing two because we found that with most of these cases uh there's just
01:13:02
so much to cover that we can't get through it in one show uh the problem with I think we found our calling the
01:13:09
problem with this case so far Captain is we've got several items that we didn't get to yet today so tomorrow's show is
01:13:15
just going to be jam-packed yeah this this case is like this crazy onion and that keeps peeling back layers and
01:13:22
there's just so much more to this story and I never really understood why so many people were fascinated I believe my
01:13:29
ex was really interested in this story in 2008 and was always watching uh Nancy Grace and uh I'd always hear all the
01:13:38
time when I was making dinner top mom top mom top mom you would hear the yelling of Nancy Grace yeah a beautiful
01:13:45
sound that's a golden voice she has so anyways um I I never really understood why people were so fascinated about it
01:13:53
but but the the amount that I've dove into this and I know the amount that you have dove into this this is is a very
01:14:00
fascinating case so much more to get to and we'll get back to it tomorrow here is an interview with Casey Anthony's
01:14:08
parents December 9th [Music] 2008 we now welcome George and Cindy Anthony the grandparents of the missing
01:14:22
florid to toddler Kaye Anthony they last saw her in mid June how you holding up we take one day at a time you know
01:14:32
it's it's very hard lot of sleep loss lost a lot of weight um you know just take one day at a time when did you last
01:14:40
see Kaye I last saw her on June 16th the day after Father's Day what happened the
01:14:46
day she went missing um we actually didn't find out until July um so um she'd been missing
01:14:54
how long when you found out um about a month that strange um well not really um my daughter you know had her and um you
01:15:06
know we just we just um assume that Casey and Kaylee were you know off visiting friends George why wouldn't
01:15:13
your daughter call you and say kayle's gone that's really a good question I I know we kept in contact with at least
01:15:23
Cindy did almost every day or every other day little text message here and everything was fine so what do you make
01:15:29
of it me she's your daughter you have to have some yeah why wouldn't she not why
01:15:35
would she tell you not tell you I think she's um I think she was frightened I think um from what we
01:15:45
understand that you know there's been threats to not only kayle's well-being but also to our family's wellbeing by
01:15:53
by the people that have Kaye so you think Kaylee was taken your daughter KN obviously knew she was taken for what
01:16:02
purpose um you know I'm still trying to sort that out you know the the person that originally
01:16:11
has her or had her um we've had three or four different sightings with the same description that Casey
01:16:20
released that they finally released on this person um and the the zened that the
01:16:28
police department Tracked Down was one out of thousands that um Casey said right from
01:16:35
the beginning was not the correct person they just now released within a couple weeks ago the actual description of the
01:16:42
babysitter and we've had three that I'm aware of tips that have come in since June that people described this person
01:16:52
to a tea that had Kaye what does your daughter think George well our daughter thinks that
01:16:58
Kaye needs to be found and she said what does she think happened oh she's already
01:17:03
told us that this zany this babysitter is one that has her who denies it well the one that the like Cindy just said
01:17:10
about the one that the sharff department our local sharff Department had brought
01:17:13
to my daughter's attention it's not her so let's go back to July 15th Cindy here's part of the 911 call that you
01:17:22
made 911 what's your emergency I called a little bit ago the deputy sheriff tell I found out my
01:17:30
granddaughter has been taken she has been missing for a month I told you my daughter was missing for a month I just
01:17:35
found her today but I can't find my granddaughter she just admitted to me that she's been trying to find her
01:17:44
herself there's something wrong I found my daughter's car today and it smells like there's been a dead body in the
01:17:50
damn car did you suspect your daughter no never in all of this never never I have
01:17:59
not from day one I haven't um you know Casey has been a loving very caring mother and um I could see that first
01:18:10
night um that she was very frightened when the um Sheriff's Department arrived at the house I mean she was devastated
01:18:18
she was on the floor um just beside herself and she has been very emotional since
01:18:26
day one which hasn't been reported um her main focus has been as same as ours has been look has been looking for Kaye
01:18:35
since the very beginning when they arrested her were you shocked George oh absolutely when they took her into
01:18:43
custody the very first time I was just appalled because I wanted them to number one put
01:18:49
an amber alert out for my granddaughter which they never did they never contacted the FBI that I wanted him to
01:18:54
contact I mean I have a little bit of knowledge on some stuff and you would really think that they'd want to have
01:18:59
some uh someone's want to have helped them assist trying to find a beautiful threeyear little old girl and all I was
01:19:07
trying to do was trying to help them and why do you think they wouldn't had their
01:19:12
mind made up they had their mind made up you know they picked out oh zenid Gonzalez they picked out a 38-year-old
01:19:20
woman when Casey told him it was a 24y old woman they picked out someone that had
01:19:25
children right and she told them she had no children you know they from the very
01:19:30
beginning decided how this was going to um take place they made judgment on her within 2 hours of having her in custody
01:19:40
and that's the way it's been they have not assisted us into looking into finding Kaye and we believe she is alive
01:19:50
I get it I want to get to that have they set a trial date um right now January 5th and no death penalty right they
01:19:56
removed they had it and then removed it they removed it you don't realize the whole United States is looking for Kaye
01:20:05
I know that Mom uh we're back Casey Anthony by the way was interviewed by members of the
01:20:10
Orange County Sheriff's Office July 16th his part of that why didn't you call prior to
01:20:18
today I think part of me was naive enough to think that I could handle this myself myself which obviously I
01:20:25
couldn't and I was scared that something would happen to her if I did notify the
01:20:31
authorities or got the media involved or my parents which I know would have done
01:20:36
the same thing just fear of the unknown fear of the potential of Kaye getting hurt of
01:20:44
not seeing my daughter again why do you think she was arrested in charge George uh because they had to like Cindy
01:20:52
said they their mind made up it was just too easy for them to just close the book
01:20:56
on this and say well we're going to charge you with uh your daughter disappearance and just be done with it
01:21:01
did they ever look at why a mother would kill a daughter I did anyone ever question motive right there is no motive
01:21:07
and they haven't found a motive they even said they haven't found a motive they they told us they thought it was an
01:21:13
accident and she's scared and she's trying to cover it up killed her by accident and then Carri her something
01:21:18
they don't feel there's a motive have they looked for the child we've had five searches done by the sheriff's
01:21:26
department done by um Tim Miller with Texas equa search I know him um and it's come up with nothing there's nothing
01:21:36
that they have found that you know has given them any evidence that Kaye is no longer with us where do you think she is
01:21:47
George oh Kaye she's with hopefully a loving family and is taking good good care of her we got a tip today today
01:21:55
today um at 4:00 today um right now being investigated by thep um in Tennessee someone spotted a girl who
01:22:05
looked like her yes in the grocery store in Tennessee and my investigators already spoken with the Tennessee
01:22:11
authorities and also the tipster and we're just waiting to see if there's any um you know any video in the store you
01:22:20
know we realize if they find kayy this is a a terrible miscarriage of Justice well it's been a terrible miscarriage of
01:22:26
Justice however you you must understand the Authority's Viewpoint here H are with the Dilemma of this woman a nanny
01:22:33
that doesn't Nanny says I didn't do it I wasn't with her she waits a month before
01:22:37
telling I mean they certainly have grounds for suspicion don't you think no they found they looked at one Zen
01:22:44
Gonzalez one Zen they told us that there was only one in our area there was 11 just in Orlando they picked out one
01:22:53
there's Casey told them to check New York or Miami because she had a New York license she told them that they pulled
01:23:00
up Ohio license bottom line is kayle's out there we've had people from June the 20th that have given us sworn statements
01:23:12
that they they have seen Kaylee in Orlando we have sworn statements from July 2nd we have people that are out
01:23:20
there can't sleep at night because they've seen her in July we had people that we met last night that saw her in
01:23:27
California just 2 weeks ago as it it's a how do you how do you fight with someone
01:23:33
or or you know say if they're sitting four feet away from this child and they say that they're positive that this is
01:23:40
Kaye because they've seen her picture for the last 6 months four feet how old would she be now great now let's look uh
01:23:48
let's listen to a bit more of Casey's July 16th interview with authorities or is there anything that you want to
01:23:56
change or divert from what you've already told me no sir um did you cause any injury to your child Kaye no sir did
01:24:03
you hurt Kaye or leave her somewhere and you're worried that if we find that out
01:24:06
that people are going to look at you a wrong way no sir you're telling me that zenid took
01:24:11
your child without your permission and hasn't returned her she's the last person that I've seen with my
01:24:17
daughter let's take a call Winston Salem North Carolina for George and Cindy Anthony hello hello George and Cindy I
01:24:24
am so sorry for um the trouble that your family's been going through I just wanted to ask you Cindy when you first
01:24:28
called the police you said something like it smelled like there was a dead body in the trunk of your daughter's car
01:24:34
and more recently you've said that you believe that it was maybe old pizza and I was just calling wondering why you uh
01:24:41
changed your mind on that um I changed my mind on that I never changed my mind on that what I stated was the car
01:24:49
smelled okay the um I was told by my husband and also by the gentleman at the tow yard that there was
01:25:02
a bag of food that contained pizza and maggots in the car I went down and I I spoke myself with the manager of the toe
01:25:10
company and he told us that that was the cause of the smell in the car I don't know of anybody that has
01:25:18
ever smelt decay of food that's been in a car trunk for 19 days in Florida heat I've opened my refrigerator and made the
01:25:29
comment something died in here following Casey's arrest in July on child neglect
01:25:34
and other charges georgean Cindy visited her in jail here's some of the surveillance video from
01:25:40
that I don't care what I have to do when I told them I would lie I would steal I
01:25:45
would do whatever by any means to get her back that's exactly how I feel it's the
01:25:51
truth Casey we have to find her before her third birthday Mom I know that's coming
01:25:58
up fast uh there were reports photoshots I think of of your daughter partying and
01:26:05
the like and out having a good time during all this while her daughter's missing explain that um there was one
01:26:11
photo out of all the photos that have been showed of her party in that was after June 16th one and what we have
01:26:21
learned that that is a staged photo that those are photos that they used to entice other people to come into
01:26:33
that club that she would have gotten paid for that photo so in fact that she was working and we have proof of that
01:26:43
where uh George is Kay's father uh kayle's father lived uh somewhere in the Carolinas I believed at one point uh
01:26:50
he's deceased he passed away at Brad R around her second birthday oh so she was still around when he died right he was
01:26:57
never part of her life he hasn't been sou Fall South Dakota hello thank you Larry my question is for George um
01:27:05
George removing yourself from your family I know you were a professional uh in the department what was your
01:27:13
professional opinion of the smell in that trunk my professional opinion is I never really realized how long it would
01:27:21
take a garbage to smell for 19 days or 18 days inside of a car in Florida to be honest with you what is what do you do
01:27:29
George right now I'm in the security field you know being in law enforcement for years and I've sort of stayed in the
01:27:34
security field off and on over the years so after moving to we in law enforcement
01:27:38
in Orlando no never was in Orlando no I was in law enforcement 20 some odat years ago so so you would understand law
01:27:45
enforcement psyche to a point yes possibly yes but then again I I know what I feel inside
01:27:52
that that's like Cindy says inside that bag was garbage there really was there was pizza I mean I seen it I mean I I I
01:27:59
know what was in there and there's no way you can fathom Cindy your daughter harming your granddaughter no there's
01:28:07
nobody that has come forward that has ever seen or said anything other than that
01:28:13
Kaye was an excellent mother so there's Casey has done nothing to her daughter there's no evidence that
01:28:21
shows that um and I can with 100% of my being say that I believe that Casey had nothing to do
01:28:32
with Casey kayle's disappearance we have a little more to show you from inside the jail housee
01:28:38
watch what's Your Gut telling you right now my telling me that she's okay okay and your gut tells you that she's close
01:28:48
or some she's she's hiding she's she's not far I know in my heart she's not far I can
01:28:55
feel it oh boy this is um are you optimistic that you're going to find K I mean how
01:29:03
do you feel about it all it's been a long time well over the last um several weeks we've gotten probably our best
01:29:10
sightings um we had one um in the middle of November right in Orlando um two women very credible were
01:29:20
within 10 feet of her watched her for 20 minutes took photographs of her um this
01:29:26
last couple that we met last night that saw her um you know a week after that point we within four feet of her so
01:29:36
she's somewhere you think absolutely why do you think so many people get angry at
01:29:41
you um because they only hear one side of the story they only see what um is put out there by the Nancy Graces of the
01:29:49
world and um the Leonard pillas of the world they don't look at themselves and look at their own families and and
01:29:59
figure out what they would do if one of their children was missing you know there's a very there's a there's a lot
01:30:06
of people that are in our shoes and there's a lot of people that will do one of several things they'll either go into
01:30:14
a reuse and they'll just withdraw you could do that or you could get up every morning and you can f
01:30:22
for the people that you love and we're not going to I'm not going to sit back and worry about what people think about
01:30:30
us cuz my focus is on Kaylee and anybody that wants to criticize me for that that's their problem Nancy Grace
01:30:38
convicted your daughter absolutely Nancy Grace is the reason why there are people
01:30:44
out there but I'll tell you what there's just as many people that watch Nancy Grace that only watch her because they
01:30:49
don't have local media like we do in Orlando keeping up with with Kaylee that's their
01:30:54
only outlet they don't believe in the things that she's doing in fact they tell us that when this is all done when
01:31:01
kayle's home they're never going to watch her again so thank you both very [Music]
01:31:13
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