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let's talk some true crime [Music] Mia Zapata 27 year old singer for the band The gets was murdered on July 7th
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1993 around 2 A.M she had left uh the Capital Area Capitol Hill area of Seattle she was visiting with a friend
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she told her friend that she was going to catch a cab and head home for the night now we have about an 80 minute
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time period where we cannot account for her whereabouts she was found just before 3 30 a.m she had been murdered
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brutally murdered and the police had few leads in this case and even less evidence to go on so unfortunately this
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this case the investigation was not very optimistic from the get-go and it was apparent to everybody involved in this
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investigation her Inner Circle and the music community of Seattle that this thing was not going to be solved anytime
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soon or without the help of somebody pushing this investigation along well who comes to the rescue captain
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well it's her friends and it's her close friends her bandmates the people that she's known since 1986 who started the
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band that gets with her in Ohio before moving out to Seattle to try to jump into that Grunge scene and become a part
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of something bigger and I don't know if this was spearheaded by Steve Moriarty the drummer for the band did I say that
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name I probably said his name wrong and I apologize but it seems like it was spearheaded by him you see him a lot
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there was a documentary made about the gets um there actually were also featured in
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a little bit in a Thing Called hype it was a documentary about the grunge scene and I think they they featured the gets
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a little bit but Steve uh seems like a you know just a stand-up dude right uh can I interject real quick not only a
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stand-up dude but like a guy that you want to have as your friend right like he he comes off to me as the type of
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dude that if your buddies with him he's gonna do whatever he can for you yeah so
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they have this horrible crime there's not much and look a lot of these cases law enforcement is just sometimes just
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bumbling idiots you know similar to the captain but in this case I think they're
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doing their work and but but again can't blame the ban for not believing them so
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what does the band do they go hey look let's rally around this let's get the scene rallying around this investigation
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and how can we do this we need a private investigator so what they're going to do
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is set up uh benefit shows where they'll play uh they'll have other bands play I
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believe uh Nirvana actually played one of these benefit shows I know Pearl Jam played one of the benefit shows so the
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whole Community rallies around so they can raise money uh to put forth to give a private investigated team opportunity
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to help solve this case and not enough Captain do you hear the phrase music Community right you hear you know music
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scene or whatever but music Community it is a community and that's what music is
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all about it's about band members coming together to create great music and bringing people in to listen and witness
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that great music that you've created now obviously Steve and his fellow band members the gets they don't know how to
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solve crimes or investigate crimes and one of their best friends was brutally murdered but what they do know how to do
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is they know how to bring people together they need and and they did just that you do what you know when you're
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faced with adversity and they brought people together for one cause one cause to raise money to one solve their
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friend's crime to bring Justice to her and her family and themselves as well as let's take this this horrible horrible
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person did this okay and this person's still walking amongst us and if he did this once he very well could have done
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it again let's get him behind bars where he belongs that's the difference you can
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make yeah and I have in my notes Here Captain I don't you said a couple of bands you said Nirvana Pearl Jam I have
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sound garden as well in my notes but basically the gets brought these bands together to help raise a bunch of money
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to hire that private investigator that you spoke of they raised about seventy thousand dollars to hire a private
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investigator and they not only hired one but they went out and they interviewed a
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bunch of people so they could find the best one for their case they hired Lee Herron and she is a private investigator
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and with this seventy thousand dollars they were able to hire her for a three-year time period to work on this
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case that's an extensive amount of time now the thing here is she starts getting
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involved in this thing and she starts running in the circles that the band would have run because her suspicions
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were that maybe somebody the person that did this might have known Mia so she's talking with her friends and she's going
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to a lot of bars she's interviewing band members of other bands and she gets a lead okay and this is through one of
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Mia's friends and uh it's a roommate of hers actually tells the private investigator that there's this person
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that was friends with Mia and friends with the roommate and it sounds like there might have been some kind of
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relationship going on between the roommate and this quote-unquote friend but they're during some heated arguments
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this friend tells the roommate uh saying things like you know the the [ __ ] is dead the [ __ ] is dead why did I do it I
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don't know why I did it um just saying weird strange things when it comes to and your mind immediately
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jumps to your murdered friend when you hear somebody saying that uh the private investigator tracks down this person uh
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and is able to collect a lot of samples uh she searched the vehicle uh searched his car uh she would eventually turn him
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into law enforcement believing that she had a good suspect now law enforcement they use the polygraph test to talk with
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this individual now and we we touched upon it a little bit but when you have this situation with very little evidence
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the polygraph test might be your number one weapon when you're talking to the suspects because you have to figure out
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who had the means to kill her during that 80 minute time period where were they were they involved are they lying
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about where they are right now this individual even though he's saying these strange things
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um he passes the polygraph so unfortunately this lead doesn't seem to pan out well then you start questioning
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why is he saying these strange things you know but this comes from the captain who says
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strange things I put it put that on a t for you every week I leave the garage and I go why does he say these strange
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things that's what I say every week about myself now the private investigator she's going to get another
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lead and this lead is actually generated through a fan of the gits this fan started some type of internet
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relationship with a guy that lived in the Seattle area now this guy he starts saying strange things while we're on the
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topic right he starts talking about how he is going to do to this girl what he did to Mia so our private investigator
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starts following this guy around and what she observes is that this guy has some strange hobby okay this is what you
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know every episode we get into some dude that's got a strange hobby this is a stranger I guess it's podcasting uh not
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that strange no this is this is horrible um and it makes your mind wander okay so
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while she's following this guy this is something she figures out that he has he does on several occasions
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he parks at schools oh God and he watches girls soccer teams from his car he stays in his vehicle the whole time
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and then after the soccer game or well they called a match I guess or the practice whatever he's watching uh
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afterwards he would drive to a porn shop okay so this is definitely strange Behavior the private investigator she
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collects a whole bunch of information on this guy and she ends up figuring out that what's his rewind for a second
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sorry so he watches girls play soccer yes and then he drives to a porn shop yes that's his hobby well I'm guessing it's
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his hobby because the private investigator Lee Herron she said that she observed him do this on more than
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one occasion so it's not like it just happened on accident once right okay so um and she's probably only following him
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for a limited amount of time who knows how often uh he spends his afternoons this way regardless the private
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investigator she collects info on this guy and through this information and after studying this guy for a while she
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learns that he did know Mia at some point it's questionable I'm a little unclear as to what their relationship
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was if they were just acquaintances or if it was more than that but she definitely points out that they had
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known one another well and this case is very difficult too because you know even
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if you're a introvert right even if you kind of keep to yourself it's like you know of a lot of people when you're in a
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band and a lot of people know of you and so there'd be a lot of people that I've
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played um gigs with you know our band open for theirs or theirs open for our for my
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band or whatever that that I probably hung out with you know 10 15 times but other than those circles of people I've
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never hung out with them ever you might not even know their last name or where they live they're
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um so but get this there's a little bit of icing on this bad cake here right I don't think that's icing
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um he's he's a cab driver oh uh and she Mia remember said that she would probably get in a cab and head home for
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the night the last time that she was seen yeah now when confronted by the private investigator
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um he says that he's not in he was not in the area the night that Mia was killed that he was off he was out of
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town he was staying with a friend in Olympia okay okay well this is a very good private investigator you don't just
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straight up lie to a private investigator of this level because she figured out very quickly you were not
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staying with your friend in Olympia that night so he's unable to account for his
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whereabouts uh for the night that Mio uh was killed okay so so he just basically
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came up with a false Alibi and then The Alibi didn't check out right he he does eventually break down uh to to the
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private investigator he admits that he was driving his Cab in the Seattle area that night right
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um he explains to her that he has a severe drug problem and it's one it's it's hard for him to account for his
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whereabouts a lot of the time um but he says you know I had nothing to do with her death well and possibly the
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reason why he was lying in the first place is that he's probably heard rumors that she was catching a cab yeah right
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and so then he knows who's driving a cab in that area that night yeah you know there there's a part of me
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that feels for him I mean he is a creepo that watches girls soccer and then goes
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to porn shops but uh yeah I I guess I feel for him in the sense that he has a serious drug problem that he can't seem
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to get a hold of um I don't feel for him because his his movements seem very strange to me and
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seemed like maybe something he might want to talk to a professional about that he's got some some things to work
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out even past the drug problem yeah he should try talkspace.com there you go um but so this this is a very good
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suspect this is a very good suspect in this case yeah I think so but again like I was saying like you you've heard the
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story so it's and you are a cab driver so we have that speculation that she got into a cab but on the other side of
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things if you are innocent then man you you know the story like I said and so you're gonna go well they're going to
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assume it's me you know if I tell them I was in the area and I was working that night they're going to assume it's me
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well and he's got a couple of other problems here too because with that severe drug problem who knows if he you
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know like we said he's unable to account for his whereabouts maybe he's even unable to account for what he does when
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his eyes are open you know um he maybe he blacks out the other thing too he's probably running in certain circles and
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doing certain activities meaning purchasing and using drugs where he's often breaking the law well and I think
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that's one of the reasons too that the band did such a good job as far as raising money and raising awareness and
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keeping this on the Forefront because they were afraid that law enforcement just looked at you know Mia as just you
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know here's some grungy girl um you know that possibly was a drug addict as well I mean there was no signs
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of uh drugs in her system right because we should be clear about that right but but the idea is like I mean think about
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it this way I mean it's you know I grew up you know especially with my parents you go I'm in and I'm in a band and they
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just assume that all your buddies in the banner drug addicts right you know um so this this individual uh all the
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information that Lee Herron collects on him is turned over to law enforcement now law enforcement agrees with the
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private investigator and says that you know what this is a very good suspect and you know we're going to look into
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this um there's no they are never able to link him to the murder of Mia Zapata and
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like we said before though I mean our biggest weapon here our biggest Ally here is a lie detector and I haven't
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been able to find any information if they if they were able to question this suspect right the statements that I saw
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um didn't didn't include anything whether he took a polygraph or submitted himself to a polygraph or not one thing
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we should think about though too is if somebody is unable to account for their whereabouts or somebody that's blacking
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out often you might get a lot of answers that are I don't know right I don't know
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I don't know what I did I don't know and they're not lying they're not lying that
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so the polygraph may not help you in this situation but the police's statement was basically
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um we had nothing to link this individual to the actual murder well again with the private investigators the
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same as law enforcement law enforcement was frustrated because every time they got a piece of evidence it kind of went
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nowhere when they got a lead it went nowhere and that's the same thing happening now with the private
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investigator and the ban would not stop right right and because there was a lot going on
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with the band and what they were their efforts that they were trying to pull together at the same time that this
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private investigator has Unleashed her investigation and she's following these people around uh some of that is in 1995
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the gets collaborated with Joan Jett yeah uh they made an album and they did a tour to benefit the private
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investigation further of Mia Zapata's murder uh they they named the band evil Stig
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um which I'm a little unclear on this Captain you might know better than me but it obviously spells gets live or
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gets live backwards let's live yeah gets live and um Joan Jett did a um she did something she she wrote a song
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about a woman being attacked on the streets uh which was kind of you know based off of what she knew about Mia
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Zapata's case well I I know that a seven year [ __ ] wrote a song called m-i-a which was I think Loosely based on the
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actual uh murder of Mia Zapata and that record I believe was called Viva uh Zapata yes and a lot of people would you
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know at these benefit shows would yell Viva Zapata um but we're also another thing that was
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super weird about this was MIA wrote a song yeah you know before her death and and
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it was talking about her being attacked by a serial killer which I mean now we know like Talking Heads right you know
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Psycho Killer uh so you know I and and it's a dark subject but I think there's a lot of
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bands that have drawn uh on this on the True Crime topic for for songs well I believe that song was called The Sign of
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the crab or something like that yeah and uh you got to keep in mind you know she's in Seattle at the time of the
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Green River Killer investigations going on um and that was something that did not
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stay out of the news hardly at all um you know so this would have been something that anybody with their ear to
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the ground would have been aware of which I mean think about the her band mates though that recorded on that song
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and now going through what they've gone through and having to listen to those lyrics and and how uh you know almost
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like a fortune teller um Mia was to her own life now we said that the band raised over 70 thousand
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dollars to hire this private investigator for a three-year time period um eventually the funds did dry up uh
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there were no major breaks in the case during this time but the investigator Lee Herron uh she continued to
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investigate on her own time afterward for many years now it was in 1998 um after five years of Investigation the
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Seattle Police uh their detectives basically came out and said unfortunately we are no closer to
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solving this case than we were right after the murder and so much time has passed in that in this case but the band
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like like I said I mean I just championed them Steve and and all the guys in the gets and everybody that
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helped them out as well but they they didn't just raise money and awareness for uh this case they also raised money
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for like self-defense classes yeah they called the organization it was a self-defense group called homo live and
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you know the name obviously coming from wishing Mia would have got home alive that night and how could young women and
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girls fend off uh these type of attacks so they would have taught self-defense uh they also taught martial arts and uh
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use of pepper spray so they could defend themselves while they're out on the streets and make it home alive well on
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the band could have just set on their thumbs and did nothing but they didn't like we said they raised a bunch of
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money they got a private investigator involved they they started this group for self-defense classes
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but you know it's nine years into this case you know as every year goes past you gotta start thinking like people are
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losing hope at this point oh but yeah incredible incredibly I mean this it's gotten colder and colder and colder as
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the years have gone by not only did the police investigation go cold the private
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investigators run out of leads uh nine years later and we're not looking at any type of way of solving this except for
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one thing we remember we talked about the police and the investigators doing their due diligence well they were able
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to collect some DNA that tiny little minuscule amount of DNA that they collected and they had the foresight to
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save that DNA right rather than to push in the chips and risk it and potentially
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destroy the DNA and never solve Mia's case Right But as time elapsed we have new technology yes there's advancements
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going on in DNA evidence and what they can do with that and a lot of this comes about by a way of a guy named Carrie
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Mullis he wins the Nobel Prize for chemistry in the 90s and he developed something called polymerase Chain
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Reaction uh well we're just going to call it PCR so we don't have to keep repeating that
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um why don't you tell us what PCR is Captain well you see how I just bowed out gracefully on that one again I am a
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captain not a scientist you know this Advanced science stuff gives me a migraine headache it well again there's
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a lot of little documentaries and one of the things on this case that I thought was interesting was the Forensic Files
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and they kind of break this down a little bit better than probably I will but basically what they are able to do
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is it's almost a photocopier for DNA so they're able to take this small sample and duplicate it now by the duplication
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we have enough to sample but we also have enough to uh if if the test doesn't go right that we might be able to sample
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again or photocopy it again now this the Nobel Peace or Nobel P spreads the Nobel
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Prize Was Won in 1993 the same year as her death Okay the reason why they waited so long was because PCR wasn't uh
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perfected yet and there was still there was some trials and errors and so with such a small sample they could have
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tried the PCR and it could have not worked and then again damage this DNA we'll get right back to the Breakthrough
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in this case after this quick beer break [Music] thank you [Music] all right cheers mates so we have a
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break in the case yes and just like a lot of the investigators believed early in this case when all the leads dried up
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they believed that without any DNA that this case would probably never be solved
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when you have to applaud law enforcement for not losing this evidence yes not losing it and not risking it by testing
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it too soon until the technology had fully developed thank God Fami Malik was not involved in this case yeah
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um so here's the way that this goes down Captain it takes quite a bit of time as
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we had said but uh in 2001 they are able to amplify the DNA that they found on Mia Zapata now this was from the saliva
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that was collected near the bite marks that were on her chest and it's going to have two strands of DNA so so there's
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the DNA but what it's stating is that one strain and is Mia Zapata's strain and the other strand is of a male yes
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the the worry that that they face when they went into this that it might have just been Mia's DNA and that they
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wouldn't be able to extract anything else what they end up finding is hers along with single Source male DNA they
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enter this into the system um and this is in 2001 and it failed to generate any positive results matching
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it to a suspect but this uh system has a name right uh yes so this would be the CODIS system that we've talked about
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several times on on the show so but this is to break it down simply uh CODIS is where if you commit a felony then they
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collect your DNA and it goes into this system well what happens here is that in 2002 there is a man arrested in Florida
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on the other side of the United States for burglary and domestic abuse charges uh in 2002 they collect his DNA during
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this time uh this man is Jesus mesquia and he is a man that had a history of violence toward women uh including
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domestic abuse uh burglary as we have mentioned assault and battery as well now all of his ex-girlfriends and his
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wife uh had filed reports against him at some point in their relationships um here's the thing captain now we have
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King County investigators are going to have to go to Florida and try to find Jesus mesquia he commits his crime his
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DNA is in the system but they have to keep testing they keep have to keep running the test to find a match within
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the system so somebody kept doing their job yes and so now the now law enforcement is going down and they're
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going to try to capture this monster right and you know what let's give credit where credit is due you said
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somebody had to keep running those tests somebody had to keep this DNA evidence and store it uh the person responsible
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for that her name is Jody sass um and she was she worked at the Washington State Crime Lab well Jody
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sass I like Yoji there you go now Captain you know that these things are never as easy as they appear to be right
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you can't just you can't just go marching up to somebody's door knock three times they open up the door greet
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you with a smile and you go guess what what sir we have your DNA on this murder victim here's your handcuffs put them on
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and let's go to jail forever right it never works that way I wish that it did but the King County investigators have
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to go to Florida to try to locate uh Jesus mosquia and they have to they need to apprehend him but they're going to
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have to question him first it's not just as simple as arresting him because they
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found his DNA they go to his home where he and his wife were living um I don't know if this Jesus guy is
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just really lucky you know to get away with murder for this many years um and then he gets lucky again because
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they learn from talking to his wife that he left the home just days before they arrived
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um and I don't think that it had anything to I don't think they put it on an announcement that they were going
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looking for this dude right so he leaves uh the wife has nothing but bad things to say about this guy and she's going to
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give them every bit of information that she has so they can apprehend him well yeah because he's probably you know beat
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her for years so she provides them with a very good description of his vehicle you know what kind of car he's driving
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make a model year all that good stuff probably even the license plate number as well they're going to put out this
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information to all their Blue Blood Brothers throughout the State of Florida and they're looking for this guy they're
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looking for his vehicle well his vehicle is spotted a few days days later in Miami
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and that's when the investigators are going to go to Miami and knock on his door where he's staying they interview
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Jesus their sound it sounds to me I I was they didn't videotape the interview I wasn't
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able to witness it right but from the way that the investigators described the interview there might have been a bit of
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a language barrier between uh the investigators and Jesus no yeah now he was in the country for a long time but
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he was an illegal immigrant yes and he was from uh from Cuba so they're talking with him and he's saying you know I
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don't know what you're talking about uh I you know I didn't murder anybody I've never murdered anybody
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um also claims that he was never in Seattle I believe as well that's exactly right now the investigators do something
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pretty interesting here uh and they basically provide Jesus with the photo lineup well it's a photo lineup of
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unfortunately a bunch of dead young women murder victims and they're pointing to each one and they're saying
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you know do you know her have you ever seen her have you talked to her have you dated her uh all these questions about
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every single one of these pictures of these girls and Jesus is saying I don't know any of
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them answers no to every question that they have including all the questions that they ask him about the picture of
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Mia Zapata and so what the detectives are able to take from his statement is he saying I've never met her I've never
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spoken to her I didn't know her well guess what you just they just laid a trap right
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there because gotcha because guess what if you didn't know her you've never spoken to her you've never met her then
00:32:00
why is your saliva on her and why was it placed there shortly before she died now
00:32:05
do you think the cops confronted him right then when he said no um I believe he was arrested very
00:32:12
quickly after that statement right but I mean but they didn't like say hey this is how we got you right because if I was
00:32:20
the detective in the room I would have said you done messed up Hey Ron well they're going to continue to build
00:32:28
their case against Jesus and one thing that comes about pretty quickly after they arrest him is they're going to put
00:32:35
his picture on the news and in the newspapers because they're happy that they finally made an arrest and Mia
00:32:41
Zapata's case well there's a woman that comes forward and she had actually filed
00:32:46
a police report weeks before the murder and this police report was because some man had exposed himself to her okay so
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she says you know what remember that report that I filed back in 1993 that was the guy that was Free Willy yeah
00:33:03
that was the guy that exposed himself to me well he's got all kinds of problems now Jesus does not only did he leave his
00:33:11
DNA evidence on the murder victim but now the prosecution has a living witness to to testify against this guy saying
00:33:21
that he was in the area uh this is what he was up to he could have done the same
00:33:26
same thing to Tamia but they were also to stay able to establish that he was in the area living just like blocks away
00:33:35
from where her body was found yeah that they were able to establish that he lived about three blocks from where our
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bodies found the other interesting thing here and I don't think they were able to
00:33:44
prove it but I always wondered if maybe he worked for a taxi company yeah I think there was some rumor about
00:33:52
that it's a little hard to trace him um to to pinpoint on a day-to-day basis where this guy was he was a Drifter for
00:34:01
most of his adult life one is he illegal yeah and he lived in uh they know that he lived in Florida Arizona and
00:34:08
Washington and it was a bit of a brief stay uh in Washington I believe but he had some kind of small criminal history
00:34:17
in both the State of Florida and Arizona one he had a criminal history I think in
00:34:22
Cuba I think that's the reason why they they basically sent him here yeah and let's not get into that conversation
00:34:29
because that's a whole that's a whole other conversation it's political um but the thing here this have you seen
00:34:36
this guy on TV he's a large man it's kind of scary like he he he's got like a football player type build to him where
00:34:44
I mean like he's tall big shoulders long arms uh and that was the thing thing that her bandmates and the private
00:34:53
investigators said when they saw him on TV and saw that he was arrested they thought you know
00:35:00
really unfortunately Mia didn't stand much of a chance against this guy right um and they believed that the way that
00:35:07
this thing went down is that she when she left her friend's apartment around 2 A.M they think that Jesus would have
00:35:15
spotted her probably within about 15 minutes of leaving there then he followed her for a bit of time uh she's
00:35:22
wearing the headphones most likely wearing the headphones like you had said and she may not have even heard him
00:35:28
creep up behind her and grab her and attack her uh unfortunately you know not only a murder victim but the last hour
00:35:36
of her life must have been hell and this guy is is an is a monster I know we I feel like that word is overused on our
00:35:45
show a little bit but that's all I see when I look at this guy it seems like this case obviously was sexually
00:35:52
motivated that's his motivation here uh you know we also have the fact that he is you know flashing himself I wonder or
00:36:00
two if he was like a Peeping Tom uh but there's no doubt in my mind that he has done this before before Mia he did it
00:36:09
after and I'm sure that there's other cases that this guy is connected to yeah I was really hoping that his you know
00:36:18
once he was arrested and then convicted he was convicted in 2004 um and he you know he convicted a first
00:36:25
degree murder meaning that they they fully agree and are aware that he abducted her and and assaulted her and
00:36:34
then killed her knowing what he was doing the entire time I was hoping that with his picture being in the papers and
00:36:41
being on the news that somebody just like that lady came out from 1993 I was hoping more people would come out and
00:36:48
maybe be able to solve some cold cases because like you said Captain I throw him into the bin of once a monster
00:36:55
always a monster um the unfortunate thing you know I thank God this case was so involved
00:37:03
that's all you can hope for when these horrible things happen when people I shouldn't say when horrible things
00:37:07
happen it makes it sound like it just happens no when people when horrible people go out and do horrible things to
00:37:12
good people that's all you can hope for um but it was a little it bothered me a little bit and I'm not
00:37:21
going to lie to you that he he only received 36 years um for that's for abduction assault and
00:37:27
murder um it seemed a little light I do take I do take some um they weren't able to charge them with
00:37:34
uh the rape as well or does that included in the assault charges uh it may be included in the assault charges
00:37:42
I'm a little unclear on that uh the only thing that I the only thing that I can be somewhat happy about is I have in my
00:37:50
notes here that he was 48 years old at the time of his I don't know if that's at the time of his arrest or his
00:37:56
conviction but regardless he would be in his late 40s maybe 50 years old by the time he was convicted I'm hoping that
00:38:02
with a 36-year uh prison sentence that this guy never sees the light of day again well you know he had to go back to
00:38:09
trial right yes so this is what drove me nuts is you know 36 years doesn't seem like enough you know especially for
00:38:17
somebody's life but so he goes back to trial because they said well that that penalty is too
00:38:23
harsh and not have a new trial but we're gonna you know re-sentence re-sentence you yeah and he waved his rights okay
00:38:32
which made almost zero sense because that's the reason why they're having the re-sentencing trial anyways he raved
00:38:39
waived his rights to have a jury that forced it back onto the judge and guess what the judge did
00:38:45
baller move right here just re-sentence them to 36 years okay very good um I have that he never testified on his
00:38:54
own behalf but he has maintained his innocence in this crime obviously we have proof positive that he is not
00:39:01
innocent of this crime and I think we all could learn something from her bandmates her friends her family the
00:39:07
band that gets we can learn something of don't give up keep talking about the case keep trying to shed some light on
00:39:14
the case and then maybe we can get some justice yeah and once again the gets were made up of Mia Zapata Andrew
00:39:21
Kessler Steve mariardi and Matt Dresner and if you get a chance make sure you check out the work of Mia Zapata and the
00:39:29
band that gets how about a little recommended reading for you Captain yes Carl all right so we have received and
00:39:36
thankful we're very thankful for this we've received a lot of praise for our episodes last week we did The Killing
00:39:42
Fields Trilogy um that took a lot of research to put that baby together and I wanted to
00:39:49
mention that you know give credit where credit's due and a lot of that research came from the Houston Chronicle uh the
00:39:54
newspaper down there as well as Catherine Casey's book called Deliver us so if you're looking to learn more about
00:40:01
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00:40:09
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