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talk some true crime [Music] [Music] well we've arrived at that time here Captain where we have to discuss a
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polygraph test some people get very upset if you talk about polygraph test some people get upset if you leave them
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out we make our own rules in this garage and here we go we're going to talk about
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a polygraph test for everybody out there Justin Depetro in one of his interviews
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with the main Sentinel Justin said that he did take a polygraph test he said I asked for a polygraph on day one I've
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taken one in the results I was never allowed to see them it's something you're going to have to ask law
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enforcement about this is not really true he did take the polygraph test however Steve
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mlon the spokesman for the main Department of Public Safety said quote he Justin knows how he did because we
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told him to say he didn't know is just not true end quote so how did Justin do on the poly mlon said that he would not
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say uh that was not going to be public information but Justin would tell us how he did he says I know I went in there
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and smoked it I told the truth and that's it but did police actually tell Justin that he passed Justin dodged this
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question you know how did you do did they tell you that you passed how did how can you say that you smoked it and
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unless they told you that you passed and he dodged this question he said they can
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tell me whatever they want again I didn't physically see the results I don't know that that a lay person could
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physically see the results and know the answers or know how they performed on the test the Sentinel reporter pressed
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him on this issue and asked him if police told him he failed Justin said that's all irrelevant I wanted to see
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the results myself they're not letting me see them why don't they let the public see them we don't think we need
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to say any more about this polygraph here in the garage because I think at this point we've been clear that in this
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investigation as large as it was that the police have determined they're going to keep a lot of stuff
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close to their vest they're not going to release anything more than they have to
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so this is difficult when you look at this case from a national media standpoint because now you have Justin
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who is less forthcoming but at times does come forward and give interviews or answer some questions release
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statements and you have Trista who's doing a media blitz she's doing every media bit that she can MH when law
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enforcement when they're not telling us their opinions or what the evidence shows them were kind of left to observe
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these two individuals behaving a little differently from one another but they're
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also allowed to paint their own picture to tell their side of the story and we're left with very little to back up
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either person's story but what we do know is there's no evidence of this child leaving the
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house you bring in multiple K9 units to try to pick up a scent and they don't get one and we have law enforcement
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saying saying and if this is true that they gave a polygraph early on in the investigation is this part of the
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evidence that law enforcement then goes hey we don't believe that this child is alive we believe that there was Foul
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Play involved and you're exactly right Captain because this is the direction that the investigation is moving toward
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and we know that because on December 30th there was more news out of Waterville but it wasn't good news it
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was news telling us that the case was officially declared a criminal investigation and would now be
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spearheaded by the main State Police Major Crimes unit Chief massie's written release to the public said quote at this
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point we believe that Foul Play has occurred in connection with aa's disappearance we base our conclusions on
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evidence gathered by investigators during the past 2 weeks this case has evolved from the search for a missing
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child to a criminal investigation end quote and sure enough a state police evidence response team was back at the
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Depetro home right around the time of this statement being released to the public they're out there taking
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measurements of the driveway they're removing windows and doing other things that they simply would not discuss on
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the record the home was finally released back to the debito family this on December
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31st by this point in our timeline Captain Aya has been missing for 14 days in the New Year dive teams plunged into
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sections of the canbec river based on projections of where Aya could be per map analysis but unfortunately found
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nothing the investigation continued with several members of the extended Depetro
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and Reynolds families taking polygraphs and searches ongoing police would not discuss who took lie detector tests
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publicly but Alicia Depetro told the Sentinel newspaper that she took one and quote did fine yeah she she said she
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smoked it right well she says she did fine and Justin said he smoked it like that's not the proper way to take the
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test sir the proper way is to answer the questions well look I mean not smoke the
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test let me just tell you he is uh what we consider uh douche when I sat down for the SATs I didn't fill out that
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paper I rolled it up and smoked it smoked it yeah on January 28th there was more not good
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news and this time it's going to be a doozy because police confirmed that they had found blood in the dichro home they
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would not initially say who blood mhm or how much but stating that blood was found in the basement of the house and
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it had been found via the crime scene text use of luminol and I'm sure most of our listeners know exactly what luminol
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is well and to be more clear it was found in the basement but it was found where Justin was stay what they consider
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to be his bedroom that's right and the official statement was this we find the discovery of blood troubling and it's
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also frustrating that we think that three adults in the home that night haven't told us everything that they
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know there were three adults in the home and their version of events is not backed up by any forensic evidence that
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we have located well they also found Blood on the bottom of his shoes which would have been blood from his daughter
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and this is echoing something that you said earlier captain that in their statement says you know the three adults
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are basically telling us that they believe that someone slipped into the home in the middle of the night but all
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three adults were there and that that someone went into the bedroom where AO was sleeping alone
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removed her and vanished into the night and the three adults did not see or hear
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anything and police straight up saying this doesn't pass the straight face test as they called it and police said that
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they had received several hundred pieces of potential evidence from the Depetro home what all of it was has never been
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officially addressed or released to the public we do know that they removed a window this was the window closest to
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Aya's bed and later it was said that they determined that the windows to the home could not have been opened from the
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outside and that they had not been tampered with mhm the dietro family challenged the assertions that they were
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not being forthcoming with all of what they knew and in fact they said that the investigators had not done a very
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thorough job in their forensic investigation of the Depetro home Alicia herself says there were things that they
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didn't fingerprint in Aya's room that they felt that they should have uh she said that they were referring to a table
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that was located directly beneath the bedroom window and some other items of furniture she says that the family
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learned that the window to Aya's room was unlocked on the night of her disappearance and it say and goes to say
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that we look they just make up their stories they're they're trying to control whatever narrative you have the
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police coming out saying these windows if locked would not be able to be open from the
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outside the if the police knew that that window was unlocked that night then that's more evidence towards
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the idea that there could have been AOSS Intruder right so to me this is just them controlling the narrative exactly
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and I don't think that Waterville PD or the main State Police would bother to go out of their
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way to tell us that hey these these windows were secure they weren't tampered with if they had reason to
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believe otherwise right or to believe that some of the windows were unlocked and so here let me break it down to you
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how it works if you have a table underneath a window that you don't believe was ever open What's the Point
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there's no point of the table being put into evidence and people can question that as much as they want that statement
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or what the forensic detectives did inside the house that time during their investigation and what evidence they
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chose to collect or ignore but what people out in listener land that aren't familiar with this case
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do not know is that there's evidence that they were finding to suggest that not only did was Aya not taken from that
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room that night in the middle of the night that something else probably went down in the house and it didn't go down
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in that bedroom yeah there was a lot of blood found yeah and and there's actually I saw something I think it was
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a like crime watch Daily where they had a blueprint of the blueprints they had blueprints of the house and they had all
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these indicators where they found blood it was all over the place and I believe that Justin's sister said well the baby
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was throwing up because she's lactose intolerant she's throwing up blood well see that's what's going to happen here
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captain in this part of our timeline where again new information comes out and like you said we have the depetros
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who come forward that's when they're willing to come forward all of a sudden talk when new information comes out and
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it doesn't make them look so good now they have a reason to come forward and talk to explain things away or push you
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or your attention into another Direction well that's why you don't explain things
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in the first place because then when the evidence comes out it doesn't contradict
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your first story well and this is where the Public's going to get a lot of their
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information on this case so let's go back to the end of January this is a vigil that was held for the still
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missing a reyns where at the candlelight vigil Trista and Justin were seen talking briefly and it seemed like
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everything was okay between the two of them they're even seen hugging very briefly for the first time in this whole
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ordeal this being a little surprising to everybody that's been watching the coverage so far where they're kind of in
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a roundabout way pointing fingers at each other and especially Trista is pointing the finger at her ex
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pretty hard I think in in this situation in some of her interviews and statements
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now her family specifically her mother Becca's husband his name is Jeff Hansen he started a website called a
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reynolds.com and on there they posted whatever information they felt would shine a negative light on Justin of
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course it's the idea of the website Captain is to help find aen provide information to the public that
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will help locate a but when you view it you what you're going to see there is a lot of information that speaks
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negatively about Justin and his inner circle so after the comments about the blood being found in the
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house their website published more information even though the police did not want this information revealed the
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info was that the blood found found at Justin's home belonged to Aya remember they didn't say who the blood was
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from but apparently the Reynolds have reason to believe that they know that it's from they being law enforcement
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know that it was from Aya they post this on the website and adding that the police told
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the family that the blood was more than a small cut would produce yeah is equal to a cup full
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pretty much by Justin's bed so then I wonder was there a rug there was there a towel there that was discarded that
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might have had even more blood on it and so if that cup full is more than uh a small cut would produce how big of an
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injury and what kind of injury happened to this poor child well and with this information somewhat leaked out to the
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public now the the authorities are backed into a corner so then they have to then confirm that the blood found in
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the house was in fact aa's to which the depetros are going to respond now and we
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have Alicia who told crime watch Daily that AA was lactose intolerant and sick and vomiting which she believed
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explained the police findings of blood in the house but I don't know I couldn't imagine your child is puking up blood
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you go to the emergency room yes that's that's the issue with this if that was truly what was going on giant pile of
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dog [ __ ] maybe maybe she didn't add enough words to her statement maybe she meant to indicate or
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to to tell us that the girl could have been vomiting in the middle of the night you know when they weren't around when
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no one was around to see it but that's I'm with you Captain that's immediately where my mind goes if if I see anyone
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child or or adult or otherwise vomiting blood we get some people with medical knowhow involved in the situation yeah
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okay look with this Justin character you don't have to use your imagination to know what I think of him
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but I don't want to throw his mother under the bus or his sister under the bus and the fact of I don't know what
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they know his mother wasn't there that night you know supposedly this guy's girlfriend was there I'm they're not
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together now but why the hell isn't she coming for Lord and then but his sister I can't give you a pass if my niece or
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nephew was over here throwing up blood and I called my sister and said hey your kid is throwing up blood and she said
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don't worry about us they they're lactose intolerant I go no this ain't right they need to go to the emergency
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room they need to see a doctor we I need to have somebody tell me um that this is
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okay I've never heard of any anybody throwing up blood cuz they're lactose intolerant well the website was
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eventually converted to a Blog in 2012 called answers for Aya and it continued to release information and we should be
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clear here though Captain some of the information that they're pumping out it does paint Justin in a bad light and
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maybe his sister as well but law enforcement technically have not backed up a lot the information that's being
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released on that that site at the time one thing that was curious was that they were stating on the website that Justin
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took out a life insurance policy on Aya uh this would have been soon after he took custody of her
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so not something that he had from birth but according to their website if he did
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this this was something he did after he had her in his custody in February of 2012 Justin and his family and friends
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granted another interview with the Morning Sentinel they stuck to their guns that Aya was kidnapped Justin said
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there were good reasons to believe Aya was kidnapped but he would not elaborate on that later he said that he found out
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Trista had been in Waterville this is something that you had talked about had been in Waterville
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around the time Aya vanished he's referring to that drive that Trista was on the drive from Portland and in fact
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everybody right it would have taken her right by Waterville it's very it's weird
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yeah it's very suspicious the my other issue too is she's going to go see her boyfriend or fiance and he's in
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prison I mean is that correct that's the information I have so so Trista just has
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a shitty ass picker like get a better picker you know like you you have a and not just for yourself but for your
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daughter you know you you have a 22mon old daughter and you're you're picking some scumbag that's in jail mhm like and
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who knows what he did right what he was in in there for and and maybe instead of
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taking this long trip to go visit somebody maybe you because Justin is not letting you talk to your daughter I
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believe the day before he said no you can't talk to her because she's watching Home Alone too now how much is a 22mon
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year old understanding of home alone too at that point when somebody says no you
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can't talk to your daughter yeah 75 miles away I'm driving up to check on my daughter but she wasn't doing that she
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was going up to visit her boyfriend because her life well true but she's also filed she's filed paperwork with
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the court system to get custody of her daughter back no she's taking legal matters into to her own hands and
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pursuing getting her daughter back I understand that but but when you when she says look I tried to talk to my
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daughter he wouldn't let me talk to her because she's watching a movie she found
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that to be fishy or suspicious it's like you're in that area stop by and and check on your daughter yeah stop by
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check and it also goes to what you were talking earlier that's why you need to have a plan in place you have to have
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these formalities of who gets Aya win and where she's supposed to be that that's why you should have these things
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put into place so you don't find yourself in a situation because when you don't have that put into place you can't
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control what the other side's going to do you could be the most the best mother ever the most responsible parent ever
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and do everything right however you cannot control anything that the other parent is going to do we all know that
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Captain loves his moms right but there just needs to be a lot more education to be a a woman in today's age I mean after
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the age of 30 they start calling women geriatric mothers like how how how awful is that
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well you know we should be applauding people that decide to wait until they're financially stable until they're in a
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better spot in their life to bring a child into this world but but we but we have the nerve to call women geriatric
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mothers at the age of like 35 or whatever it is it's ridiculous but that's a whole another rant but but
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again and I don't want to throw her too much under the bus but she then says well I
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was thinking once I visited my boyfriend or fiance or whatever the heck he is right that she was thinking that maybe
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she could stop by on the way back and then obviously she got the call but we won't know if
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that's just her explaining a situation away after the information well twice in this case uh once on searches and once
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kind of happen stance there were remains found that people believed at least for
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a short period of time could have been that of Aya Reynolds and the first was in uh
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2012 when they recovered a skeleton but very quickly determined that it was not Aya because it was an adult-sized
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skeleton but when the first news of it came out they thought well maybe we finally found her right this turned out
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to be the remains of Sten SE Brandon of Waterville who this is very tragic like a tragic Side Story here he had been
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missing since February of 2004 so eight years um it I've did a little digging and it it appears that his death was a
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suicide but can you imagine the hurt of of Step Brandon's family who went without answers for eight years in his
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in his case he's was missing all of this time the other was when a baby de or who
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was later dubbed the Deer Island Jane Dee was found in June of 2015 this one looked like it might be a
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little more likely to be AA because it was the remains were that of an unidentified
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toddler uh but it was eventually proved that Aya was not a possible identity match for those remains
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what's going on here Captain what this is going to devolve into in regards to the dietro family and the Reynolds
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Family is a lot of interestingly bad behavior on both parts so we have a situation where the windows of Phoebe
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dep Petro's home were broken two of the windows were busted out and police arrested 19-year-old Jeremy Hansen
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for this act of vandalism who is a relative of Trista and then we have a situation
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where in July there's this weird episode of Lance Depetro so this is Justin's brother I
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guess he's sort of the enforcer in the family or at least is the a judge would later refer to him as an enforcer he was
00:31:24
convicted of assaulting his sister Alicia's estranged baby daddy Justin ly uh lyel was involved in a custody
00:31:34
dispute with Alisha over the child and apparently he had posted some comments on Facebook about his suspicions of
00:31:42
Justin D Petro's involvement in what happened to Aya and so after that this is when the brother steps into action
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and uh assaults this guy and Lance I'm not not going to get into it but he already by this point in
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his life had a a pretty extensive rap sheet in July of 2013 Justin himself was arrested for assault and this is
00:32:10
interesting because the person he assaulted was Courtney Roberts his now ex-girlfriend but she's the girlfriend
00:32:20
that was staying with him on the night that Aya vanished the story goes like this that
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the two had an argument and Justin grabbed and pushed Courtney he was arrested again in September for
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violating his bail and being in possession of alcohol you're look you're a [ __ ] wagon if you put your hands on a
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woman the reason that this altercation is of interest to me is that look I I not thinking or believing Justin's story
00:32:46
of what's going on we're getting leaked this information about evidence that's telling us something else
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happened now Courtney's got reason to go against jus but never really tells us anything bad
00:33:01
you know doesn't come forward and say Justin was lying Justin did something to Aya we don't get any information from
00:33:08
Courtney where now she's in a position to where she might want to join the other side and finally tell the truth is
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she really or is she just in a position that we know that this guy is now capable of violence and and maybe when
00:33:26
they got an argument she said I oh I'll go cops and that's why the the it even escalated and is she fearful of her
00:33:36
safety or does she also feel like it's too late that if she comes forward now that she's too much involvement yeah
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she'll be railroaded herself well around the same time that this is all going on
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we have a situation behind the scenes Captain where the police contact both parents both of aa's parents Justin and
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Trista separately and they say look we don't believe that she's still alive we're months and months into this
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investigation we have evidence that tell us that she's probably not alive and we
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have reasons to believe that she's not alive and now we're conducting our investigation as such with that in mind
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so the parents were notified by the police of that change in their investigation this leads us to late
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September 200 13 remember Justin has that assault charge against Courtney or on Courtney I apologize and this gets
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interesting because there ends up being a headline regarding this his court date
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for September 2013 from Central main.com and the headline reads AA Reynolds Family Feud erupts outside
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Courthouse this would be almost comical right if the subject matter weren't so tragic if we didn't have a missing
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little girl here well it shows you how immature both parties involved are well let's let's review what went down here
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according to Central Maine as they reported it they said a confrontation began when D Petro's mother Phoebe
00:35:14
Depetro called Reynolds Father Ryan Reynolds in obscenity in the courtroom prompting him to follow her into a
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hallway where the verbal exchange escalated according to Witnesses Phoebe Depetro walked past Trista and Ron
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Reynolds and whispered something to them Ron Reynolds then stood up and followed
00:35:36
her out into the hallway shouting what did you say to me Phoebe Depetro kept walking while Reynolds was restrained by
00:35:44
security officers and he's yelling your son killed my granddaughter now Phoebe dietro and Ron Reynolds were escorted
00:35:54
from the building by the marshals and this what followed shortly afterward was Trista Reynolds and other members of
00:36:03
the Reynolds Family were asked to leave so this situation devolves into basically some of the Reynolds Camp
00:36:14
shouting at the depetros we know you did something wrong you know your son killed
00:36:19
my granddaughter things of that nature but what's interesting here is look you get you got people out there in listener
00:36:28
land right now who are going well why in the hell would the Reynolds Family even
00:36:32
be at this hearing about Justin's domestic violence charge at all right it didn't involve them it didn't involve
00:36:39
their granddaughter or daughter Aya the short answer is Trista had actually quite cleverly
00:36:48
planned this out she wanted to force some kind of confrontation with Justin a public conf confrontation to
00:36:57
draw attention to the fact that she believed that he should be charged in A's disappearance and his court appearance
00:37:06
gave her a platform to do this and she said quote I don't understand why Justin Alicia and Courtney have not been
00:37:14
charged yet those would be the three adults at the depure home the night that Aya went missing I don't understand why
00:37:21
they haven't been charged with lying to the police we respect the dedication of the police agencies and the prosecutor's
00:37:28
office in pursuing this case however we disagree with the delaying arrest and prosecution so this gets very convoluted
00:37:37
and then sometimes people say well follow the money and maybe that will lead you to what really happen and what
00:37:43
we do know is 3 days before she went missing that Justin the father took out a life insurance policy on her now that
00:37:53
can't be collected just because she goes missing so so he would have to or Trista
00:37:59
would have to declare her deceased now in order to do this that's not that easy you have to have some kind
00:38:07
of evidence where you can submit that to the courts and then the courts have to decide whether they're going to declare
00:38:16
her as deceased or not yes which doesn't automatically then trigger the insurance
00:38:24
money payout correct now I mean jumping ahead here quite a bit because it wasn't
00:38:28
until 2019 that Justin was specifically asked about the insurance policy and we now
00:38:38
know that that was not just an accusation by the Reynolds Family it was in fact true because his own words were
00:38:45
yes we did have a life insurance policy on AA Reynolds and according to his statement he bought a life insurance
00:38:55
policy on Aya about a month before her disappearance is his statement let's get into the blood evidence that trista's
00:39:04
family is going to use to try to get her declared deceased well the blood evidence is
00:39:14
more yes it's it is used for that for that purpose as well but when the blood evidence gets released to the public
00:39:23
it's being released via the Reynolds website it for Aya the one that's putting out information putting Justin
00:39:32
Depetro in a bad light so this information comes on their website magically shortly after this shouting
00:39:40
match outside of the courthouse at Justin's domestic violence charge case what they did was they posted documents
00:39:48
on their website that had a ton of information on them which if true are very damning it's very damning
00:39:56
information so I'll read through this it says on January 3rd of this year investigators from the main State Police
00:40:03
met with Trista Alex which is trista's boyfriend and Melissa which is Alex's mother for the purpose of disclosing a
00:40:12
slideshow of Select blood evidence collected from the diet's property in aa's case the following summarizes the
00:40:21
slideshow contents aa's blood found the blood evidence described here was visible to the naked eye so everything
00:40:29
we are about to list for you here was visible to the naked eye of the detectives in the forensic text working
00:40:36
the scene they found several drops of aa's blood were found on the left shoulder strap of aa's car seat in
00:40:43
Justin's vehicle aa's dried vomit was found on the back seat droplets of aa's blood were found on pom poms of her pink
00:40:53
princess slippers a silver dollar size stain of ao's blood was found on a sofa in the dietro family's living room this
00:41:02
would be in the main floor of the house aa's blood was found smeared on her baby
00:41:08
doll's face and arms in the bedroom that she shared with Alicia deo's daughter what they State here Captain is that the
00:41:18
thought was that maybe Aya triy to wipe blood from her mouth with the doll I've not seen the doll or the blood evidence
00:41:26
on this or or a photograph of this as it's not been released to the public but I'm guessing that that the smear of that
00:41:33
blood would give the impression that that might have been something that occurred drops of aa's blood were found
00:41:40
on a fan cord in Justin's basement bedroom aa's blood SP aa's blood splatter was found on a plastic blue
00:41:49
tote in the basement and a sheet that was found inside had aa's blood stains on it as well the main
00:41:57
State Police said that they believed that this sheet was used to clean up aa's blood several drops of aa's blood
00:42:07
were found on the tongue and inside Justin's sneakers in the basement beside his bed a fist-sized stain of aa's blood
00:42:17
was found on Justin's mattress and sheets this sample contains saliva possibly a vomit and a toy hair a toy
00:42:26
like hair pink fiber which at the time the state police had not identified but later we're going to learn that that
00:42:33
came from a toy several splatters of aa's blood were found on sections of the cement floor and wall beside Justin's
00:42:42
bed these blood splatters were consistent with aa's standing height and were up to a dime in size State Police
00:42:52
blood analysis determined that the blood splatters were created by intense projectile vomiting and or blunt force
00:43:01
trauma several splatters of aa's blood were found on a wood pallet leaning against a wall in the basement now the
00:43:09
state police detectives and a grief counselor from the Attorney General's office were there with the Reynolds
00:43:17
Family with Trista during this slideshow and after the photos of blood visible to
00:43:24
the naked eye were shown the state police began to show the luminol enhanced photo so this is blood
00:43:31
that they only found by way of use of luminal well I bet these rooms lit up like a damn Christmas tree well the the
00:43:38
collective impression from the slid show that Trista Alex and Melissa are seeing
00:43:45
was that you know Justin's bedroom looked like a murder scene from all of the blood evidence that they're showing
00:43:53
coming from that basement area the state police determined that the samples some
00:43:59
of the samples of aa's blood exhibited a spray pattern so this is not consistent
00:44:05
with like a cut like oh I cut my hand on a on a a a can or or on some broken glass or something of that nature this
00:44:13
is blood that's being sprayed out some of the samples uh contained saliva of course this could be from the vomiting
00:44:23
but what the state police were saying was that they believe that the evidence is showing them that Aya was coughing up
00:44:29
blood from internal injuries and they concluded that Aya's injuries were both internal and external according to the
00:44:38
blood evidence that they were finding mhm makes you wonder if they gave her some liquid to drink or or some
00:44:48
items to drink or or to eat you know what I mean yeah I I mean I don't know to cause death I mean whatever happened
00:44:56
was would have been a violent reaction yeah by the child if she was given something but they're stating that they
00:45:05
believe that the blood evidence is showing them that the injuries were internal and external I mean how is that
00:45:13
not enough to put somebody Behind Bars this poor girl H how could you do that to to a child well and this is an
00:45:21
interesting way to sort of spin it or bring some kind of justice for Aya against Justin here because in
00:45:32
2014 Trista wrote a letter to the Morning Sentinel newspaper this was requesting that the district attorney
00:45:40
should bring child endangerment charges against Justin Depetro Tristan had acknowledged in the
00:45:47
past that the murder charges were unlikely without her child's body but she pointed out in this letter that
00:45:54
police had found blood they shared that information with her and believed it was
00:46:00
of sufficient amounts to indicate a crime had been committed now at this time in our
00:46:07
timeline 2014 the statute of limitations on the child endangerment charges would
00:46:12
expire in months if not levied against Justin quickly her letter said quote who can argue Aya was not a victim of
00:46:23
heinous abuse her father had a duty to protect her and he did not and for that he needs to be prosecuted you may not
00:46:31
have the authority to prosecute Justin for murder but you do have the authority and the obligation to prosecute him for
00:46:39
other crimes and then Trista went on to detail the evidence that police had collected the blood evidence to back up
00:46:47
her statement of hey at least charge this guy with something now one of the confusing legal matters in this case
00:46:54
wrapped up in the whole case itself is unfortunately the district attorney didn't have any jurisdiction over this
00:47:02
case because the case had already been transferred early in the investigation to the State Attorney General's office
00:47:08
so per main law the attorney general has exclusive jurisdiction over homicides and other major cases and since aa's
00:47:17
case was considered a major case that's where the jurisdiction would lie so Deputy Attorney General William Stokes
00:47:26
explained that the main criminal code a defendant can't be subject to separate trials for multiple offenses based on
00:47:35
the same conduct or arising from the same crime except in certain instances this means that if they went ahead and
00:47:44
nailed Justin for child endangerment then the state would lose the ability later to prosecute him for
00:47:52
murder so their hands are a little tight here and it looks to me like what you were saying earlier Captain they have
00:48:00
some evidence telling them that a murder is probably what we're dealing with that's ultimately what they want to
00:48:07
charge him with and that's the direction that their investigation has been on for
00:48:12
quite some time yeah it seems to me like this individual the father should be put
00:48:17
into prison and it seems to me that there's clearly enough evidence to know that that this child was murdered
00:48:25
murdered in that house and that these adults four of them let's say because whether the the mother was there or not
00:48:34
she has to know more than that she's saying and why they're not coming forward is absolutely ridiculous why
00:48:41
you're going to try to save your son and and not protect your granddaughter it's absolutely just
00:48:48
doesn't make any sense we put this guy in prison you know he become a a knob Peddler but junkie real quick in prison
00:48:58
the direction that Trista is going to go in and pursue again trying to seek some
00:49:04
kind of Justice unfortunately in 2017 she has to go in front of a judge and explain that her child is dead I need
00:49:14
you to legally declare Aya to be dead here's some of the evidence that I was shown can you can you please make this
00:49:23
uh determination and of course no parent wants to have to go in front of a judge
00:49:28
and ask for this for anything like this at all you want to keep hope and hold on
00:49:35
to hope that maybe there's a chance that she's still alive but part of this is to
00:49:41
try to get some form of Justice because once Aya is legally declared to be dead now we can pursue some civil action
00:49:51
against Justin Depetro if we can't get him for criminal in the criminal courts we'll get him in a civil lawsuit Court
00:49:59
we will charge you know we will come at him with a lawsuit of a wrongful death lawsuit and this opens up a couple of
00:50:08
things one it opens up the closed case files of Aya Reynolds investigation and what the police findings were and what
00:50:19
they know and the facts that they collected along the way it opens those up to both sides the depetros and the Reynolds
00:50:29
pursuing those and reviewing that information in there in either a defense or a challenge against Justin it also
00:50:40
opens up Justin Depetro his mother his sister his ex-girlfriend to a whole different line of questioning because in
00:50:50
this Arena Captain they will be deposed so they will will be under oath they will be held to the standard that they
00:50:59
could perger themselves or if they start telling different stories or even different stories from one another that
00:51:07
would warrant further investigation you can't have three adults in the house all
00:51:12
telling different stories at night yeah again like I said it's just it's unbelievable that his family would have
00:51:19
this they have the evidence in front of their face and that somebody's not coming forward and saying whether it's
00:51:27
an accident or or not or whatever it's like they it's almost like they didn't care at all about this poor little baby
00:51:36
well and that's what's bizarre here in this case to me because we've seen other cases where something bad goes down and
00:51:44
years go by and then stories start to change or information coming out of the bad guys Camp which sorry toetos I'm
00:51:54
calling you the bad guys Camp because you look like a bunch of bad guys right now and in these other stories that
00:52:01
we've covered there's information that comes out later in from the bad guys camps that that start to tell us a
00:52:09
little bit of what may have happened that yes there was some kind of accident or there was some kind of violence that
00:52:17
night or we gave the child something and they had a reaction here it's bizarre to me Captain
00:52:26
that we have all these years later and I'm glad I'm I'm I'm very happy that the Reynolds pursued this civil suit to try
00:52:34
to force these individuals to talk because I can't believe look at the end of the day you could tell me maybe Mama
00:52:44
Depetro doesn't know what happened and I could believe that I could take a bite off that apple and roll with it but I
00:52:52
can't believe that his sister and his girlfriend I can't think of a scenario that would go down that would show and
00:52:59
leave this kind of evidence blood evidence in the house that they didn't see anything or hear anything or not
00:53:06
know I absolutely 100% believe that Justin Depetro knows fully what happened and is probably fully responsible for
00:53:15
what happened to this little girl why we haven't heard information from the sister or the ex-girlfriend is anyone's
00:53:23
guest and like you said maybe they're just too involved now according to Trista she says that police basically
00:53:31
told her that Aya was killed wrapped up put in the plastic tote that we mentioned the plastic tote bag found in
00:53:40
the basement and disposed of of course but where is anyone's guess if they had her remains I think they're
00:53:48
moving forward with charges of murder against Justin Depetro on the 9th anniversary of aa's Disappearance in
00:53:55
December of 2020 things were on hold they were pending preparation for the Civil Trial tris's attorney William
00:54:06
Childs said that he was awaiting documents from the State Attorney General's office he pointed out that
00:54:13
$500,000 of Investigation by the state of Maine went into aa's case and had produced a lot of materials that he
00:54:22
needed to review for the civil suit trista's family set up a GoFundMe account to help pay for legal expenses
00:54:30
now this is not for the attorney the attorney is working prob Bono here he's doing good work in trying to help out
00:54:36
some people in need the GoFundMe account is to help pay for legal expenses for expert witness fees child said that
00:54:46
because of the pandemic there would be a long delay before a trial happened since
00:54:51
civil trials are less priority than criminal trials so we will sit captain and we will wait to find out what is
00:54:59
going to happen in this civil case and see if it leads to more information information that might lead to the
00:55:07
recovery of the remains of this little girl which could then lead to charges against Justin Depetro maybe his
00:55:15
ex-girlfriend Courtney and his sister Alicia as a result of aa's case Waterville 911 dispatch became the third
00:55:24
in the state of M to be certified in procedures designed to better handle 911 calls in a missing person's
00:55:31
case and that might help in cases where the caller genuinely is concerned and wants the missing person to be found
00:55:41
however if the caller is only pretending to seek police involvement and has no intention of communicating helpful
00:55:48
information all the training in the world will not help police find the victim [Music]
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want to thank you guys so much for joining us here every week in the garage you truly are our best
00:56:15
friends in the whole entire world Colonel any recommended reading how about a little recommended viewing
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Captain let's remind everyone that the Sons of Sam is available for your viewing pleasure on Netflix director and
00:56:30
longtime friend of the garage Joshua Zan the Sons of Sam is a Netflix docu series
00:56:37
that confronts a true crime Legend and speaking of Legends this is an added bonus the great Paul giamani narrates
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the series and giamani is fantastic as a narrator we've had Joshua on the show in
00:56:51
the past to discuss his other works The Killing season and killer Legends and we
00:56:56
had Son of Sam victim Carl daero on off the record on our other show off the Record not too long ago to discuss his
00:57:04
experience as a surviving victim of a serial killer watch Sons of Sam on Netflix and until next week be good be
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