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involving two missing moms from Kansas Veronica Butler and Jillian Kelly vanished March 30th their car found
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abandoned in the Oklahoma Panhandle four people have now been arrested in the case including the grandmother of
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Butler's children news fors Adria goens breaks down the new information for us Adria Jolene Tiffany Adams one of the
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four people arrested in this case had custody of Butler's two children court documents confirm a problematic custody
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battle is the focus of this murder case case you have two people um who are who are dead um and four people that
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committed an in an absolutely brutal crime a crime committed over custody according to court records Veronica
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Butler was on her way to a supervised visit with her kids when she and Jillian Kelly her courta appointed supervisor
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disappeared in rural Texas County family finding Butler's car abandoned after they never returned home when they
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arrived on scene uh they found some things that just weren't adding up according to court records deputies
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found blood beside the car Butler's glasses in the middle of the road next to a broken Hammer sparking an extensive
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search it took everybody in this case to get this done we know that there were people throughout the two we process who
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were who who were frustrated who wanted um answers as soon as possible you know we wanted those those answers too we're
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probably talking somewhere in the neighborhood of aund Law Enforcement Officers truly no exaggeration the
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investigation pointing to Adams her boyfriend Tad Cullum and Cole and K twamley all four arrested over the
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weekend charged with first-degree murder kidnapping and conspiracy to commit murder court documents show the attack
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was planned stating the four were part of an anti-government religious group known as God's Misfits the twbi telling
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their teenage daughter they would be gone the day the women went missing for a mission according to the affidavit in
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the weeks before Adams purchased burner phones and stun guns those burner phones
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pinging close to private property where investigators found fresh dirt work a hole that had been dug up filled back in
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and covered with hay likely the spot where the two bodies were found although those court documents also showed this
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was not the first time Adams planed to kill Butler back in February the group reportedly wanted to throw an anvil out
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of the back of a truck into Butler's windshield making it look like an accident but Butler never left her home
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that day OSBI says it's still waiting on the medical examiner to determine the ID
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of those two bodies found and the exact cause of death in in an absolutely brutal
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crime first-degree murder kidnapping and conspiracy to commit murder court documents show the attack was
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planned stating the four were part of an anti-government religious group known as
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God's Misfits God do the arrests take place before the bodies are found or the bodies found first yes so it's it's
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interesting the arrest happens on April 13th and four people are arrested here so Tiffany Adams is arrested her
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boyfriend Tad Cullum is arrested and their two friends Cole and K twam are arrested as the confidential witness is
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Kora tw's daughter from her previous marriage so confidential witness her testimony was what led to these arrests
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and a day after the arrests is when unfortunately Veronica and Jillian's bodies were discovered but this is the
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part that is okay so we have four people who are arrested and really it feels like again just another incredibly
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flawed plan to end Veronica's life and make her disappear for good but a big part of that whether whether it would
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have been Veronica's family to sound the alarm or not Julian Kelly is the supervisor of this custody visit they go
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looking for those people I mean so it seems to me like the the plan to get rid of Veronica is and pardon me for
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saying so it's as simple as it's get rid of Veronica and a plus one whoever that
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may be on this day March 30th how do we get to finding the bodies because as flawed as this plan seems on the surface
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to me they went to Great Lengths to try to make it so that neither of these people
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would ever be found again yes they did and Veronica and Jillian's phones eventually were found 8 and 1 half miles
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away on a random property owned by this man Jamie Beasley and Jamie Beasley was interviewed by the OSBI and he's like
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what the hell's going on he he starts to get nervous and and this is before the arrests but he ends up telling the OSBI
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well Tad colum he rents my property and Tad colum actually came to me a few days
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ago and said hey can I do some work for you here and and you know pull up some tree stumps and and do a few things on
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your property and he said yeah okay sure if you want to clean up certain things go ahead so Tad had rented a skid steer
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and the skid steer was on the property and there was some Disturbed dirt So Jamie Beasley immediately was like oh my
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gosh I'm going to be a suspect here what the hell is happening this is not our first experience with the skid steer um
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on this show unfortunately but there is so we now have the boyfriend Tiffany Adams boyfriend who is going to be doing
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work on this large property this rural property this is going to lead to a search and a dig by law enforcement
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correct and and what do they find yes so law enforcement had to dig about 10 to 12
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feet underground and what they found was a chest freezer and inside that chest freezer were the bodies of Jillian and
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Veronica and lots and lots of evidence it's not our first time dealing with a chest freezer either yeah and from my
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understanding there was concrete on top of the chest freezer between the Surface and this chest
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freezer there was concrete there again there was just it was so obvious guys I mean it was like it was almost like an X
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marks a spot with a disturbed dirt as well it was it was just so stupid like so many things about what these guys
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allegedly did yeah and obviously because of the manner that they find these individuals law enforcement has to
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think there's definitely more than one individual involved definitely 100% um this yeah and and what they found in the
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chest freezer and and buried inside that hole was jeans sweatshirts t-shirts uh covered in blood gloves uh a
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baseball cat duct tape a sheath black or oh I'm sorry a sheathed black knife uh also with blood on it they saw ratchet
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straps a saw handle a black taser or or or a flashlight electrical cords and and
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black tape I mean it was it was a mess it was a total mess and it it was alarming it was it was just a gruesome
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and tragic Discovery you're finding the bodies of two murdered victims along with all of the items that were used
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during the commission of those those crimes with the what do we learn postmortem about the one the the murders
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but two I'm guessing they would have been concealed in this ice chest for some amount of time before being before
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the chest is placed in the ground um the the women at at what I learned they were killed and then they were pretty
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much immediately placed in the chest freezer they were driven from the location uh as to where they were killed
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to the property which took about 10 15 minutes and then they were placed in the chest freezer and they were lowered into
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the ground that was all done on March 30th and so they weren't killed where the car was found even though we find a
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good deal of blood there at that scene they were they were killed there that's where they were killed and then they
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were transported to this location directly from correct what did the autopsies tell
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us oh boy guys we can keep this as brief and vague as as you would like um it does go
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toward us learning more about the overall plan and how detailed the plan was yes well we can start with Jillian
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who look both women were innocent of course but Jillian was was truly just a an innocent bystander you know I mean it
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was it was so heartbreaking to see that Jillian had been stabbed 16 times okay 16 times an innocent bystander and
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these stab wounds were in her head in her neck and she had defensive wounds so she fought back she was trying to cover
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her face and Jillian's death was incredibly incredibly disturbing I I go to the autopsy report
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and it sounds like the medical examiner believed that Jillian was paralyzed the stab wound in her spinal Corder or in
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her back or her neck paralyzed her and uh she eventually died from either that stab wound or
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there were final two uh or three stab wounds to her neck so that was that was God so so sad and just so chilling so
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initially we're long enforcement we we show up to the scene we know that it's this crime is committed by more
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than one individual and then I think the autopsy and then where we find the vehicle this
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all points to premeditation so now we have to figure out who is involved yes correct and you
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know I I can get into what I know what I know to have transpired that day the events of what exactly happened
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based on what I learned at the pre-trial but I I think that we should wait because there there's a lot more detail
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that I can fill in for you guys here but I think that you know we should get to what happened to Veronica and then we
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should talk about a fifth person that was subsequently arrested was there obvious signs or was there signs that a
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stun gun was used at any time during this attack and if so do we have we know that Tiffany Adams was researching stun
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guns was there evidence that she had purchased one or that someone close to her had purchased a stun gun yes Tiffany
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Adams did possess a stun gun and both women had possible it was noted as possible stun gun marks to the back of
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the neck or the shoulder which to me indicated that they were probably running oh God it's it's so it's hard to
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even imagine it it just it sounds like the worst horror movie you could ever watch I mean especially just looking at
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the the mug shots of these defendants guys it's it's like The Devil's Rejects I'm sorry and so what it looks to me
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like is Veronica thinks she's showing up to this Meetup point to pick up her children very happy occasion and reality
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is the sad reality is she's arriving to an ambush yeah and probably outnumbered and and the perpetrators of this Ambush
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are prepared to move the bodies right then and there it's it's very strange to me that they didn't try to manipulate
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the scene further by moving the vehicle I and look I'm not I'm not I'm very thankful that my my opinion of most
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criminals are that they are the majority of them are dumb lazy or sloppy and I'm
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thankful that that seems to be the case because I don't know I'm wondering we would have a lot of Suspicion here
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Lauren but I feel like finding that car is really what it didn't save the day it
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didn't save these these ladies lives but it really is a powerful piece of evidence to kick
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off an investigation well I think that and also the cell phone ping tech technology yes and the burner phones
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they had burner phones which which also pinged from the property of Jamie Beasley and and you're correct they are
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stupid criminals but in my opinion they are also arrogant they think they own this town and also look I I I don't know
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everything here but I do know that they had quote Lookouts and these These are public roads like yes it's not super
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busy but possibly one of their Lookouts called them and said hey you got to go there's a car coming so they had to run
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were the burner phones found at the barrial site yes so it seems like these victims were found and everything that
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was found with them was what these killers thought as potential evidence that would connect them to the crime as
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well but yes but you almost think that like you were saying the connection we have a prayer group
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turning into a murder group but their leader it's it's almost like maybe the one of the ways she convinced these
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people to help her was I have connections with law enforcement so even if they start looking at us they'll turn
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the other cheek she's convincing these people that these poor children are being sexually abused and that the
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mother is willingly allowing it to happen and this is the only way we've attempted to do everything legally to
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stop this abuse against these children now we have to take matters into our own hands because the kids are still being
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transported back to Veronica's house and and being with Veronica's family and as
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as Lauren had told us about this God's Misfits these people with their prayer group and their their their little flock
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there they they're not above saying that we need to take things into our own hands they're not they don't adhere to
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the the laws of the land in the way that most civilians do and so it doesn't seem
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like where where I think in most of our circles that we run in the three of us here not if you brought this up we would
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be lock locked up right away there would be people that would turn on us right away but here it it's it's very bizarre
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Lauren because it feels like this is an easy recruitment to do some very horrific very evil acts Nick I think you
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nailed it I think that you you nailed it I mean Tiffany was able to convince these people because she said are you
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going to let these kids continue to be molested and one of the defendants had said well I was abused as child so right
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away I'm like no I'm not going to allow this and I also have had you know going to what you said about her connections
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to law enforcement and it just being a small town I've had multiple sources share with me that at one point when
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When Tiffany wanted her son Wrangler to get sober she ran it by one of her friends in law enforcement and said hey
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if I lock him in my basement is that kidnapping or is that all good here and he was like no go ahead and do it
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it's fine and she literally losted Wrangler in her basement kidnapped him for over a month a grown man now correct
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me if I'm wrong where this sits today we have five individuals that have been charged and all five of them charged
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with murder kidnapping and conspiracy is that correct so what happened after the
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four were arrested there was Rumblings that a fifth person was involved and this person there were Rumblings of that
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because the confidential witness actually mentioned his name and we saw it on on the public uh police affidavit
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so I was thinking well where is this guy this guy's name is Paul Grace why has he
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not been arrested Paul Grace I'm like why has he not been arrested well he apparently was finally interviewed by
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the OSBI on April 23rd and he went back home after his interview he admitted to everything and they said okay we need to
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we need to get a warrant to arrest you and he was arrested the next day on April 24th and Paul Grace we learned as
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of September of 2024 played a very very large role in the murders of Jillian and
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Veronica how so well Paul Grace was the one who stabbed Veronica 30 times and then we
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learned that Paul Grace also stabbed Jillian Kelly two to three times in the neck and I I haven't gone through the
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events of that day according to Paul but Paul thought to himself that Jillian was
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possibly paralyzed he he wasn't sure he saw that she was blinking but he he just
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he didn't know he he kind of said well I've seen animals when I'm hunting they kind of twitch after they're dead and he
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wanted to be sure that she was deceased so he stabbed her two to three times in the neck thinking that he was doing a
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good thing so she would not be buried alive this whole crime seems like a group of individuals that thought they
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were doing doing the right thing by doing a wrong thing but also didn't think too much about how to look they
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had have been convinced that these that they were being sexually assaulted but it feels like
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Beyond Tiffany Adams and and her boyfriend the other three that were involved put very little thought into
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well how can we correct this problem with without res resulting in killing Veronica and some other person
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who is completely Innocent but I guess the brainwashing technique here is convincing the three that well this
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other person can't be completely innocent because the courts are allowing this to happen as well not only is
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Veronica allowing it to happen but the courts are insistent that they see their mother yes it's it's pretty mindblowing
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that these people didn't say hey do you have proof can I see some proof that this is happening before I commit
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heinous acts allegedly of murder and just to go back to these charges guys I I didn't explain the charges but all
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five defendants were initially charged with two counts of first-degree murder two counts of kidnapping and conspiracy
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to commit murder and later Cole wamble Tad Cullum and Tiffany Adams also faced two Char or fa I'm sorry faed two
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charges each for removal of a dead body and desecration of a human Corps and then Tiffany Adams was also slapped with
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two counts of child neglect and this is due to what I believe is a surveillance video of her in attractor Supply Co with
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her two grandchildren who are holding ratchet straps and those ratchet straps we found in the the burial site and I
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believe those were the the straps that were used to contain their mother's body so in Oklahoma neglect is is putting a
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child in in a you know a nefarious situation or an illegal situation so yeah and this conspiracy plot unravels
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mainly due to the witness that comes forward and shares this information what they knew with law enforcement but then
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their story is backed by the actions of the five that were involved in this conspiracy plot to murder right with the
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purchasing and the movements and putting them together at the time of the of the
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attack and putting them together at the time of the belief time of the burial so
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a lot of of information seems to be lining up with what this witness told law enforcement right out the gate yes
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that's that's correct and also in in some of the early police affidavits When Tiffany Adams was arrested apparently
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she admits everything and they have a recording of that allegedly but I want to just say something about this
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confidential witness I I don't want to drag a 16-year-old but I also don't want to
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hail her some kind of hero for you know coming forward after the fact when she she knew what was going to happen and
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look maybe she didn't think that they would go through with it maybe she thought it would be a flop kind of like
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the uh the initial Vice idea I'm not sure what was going through her head but I've I've seen reports where she's
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hailed some kind of hero and I just I don't think that should be the case [Music]
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is going to go to trial in April of this year or are we going to see are they going to share a trial or
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will these be separate trials what what's currently taking place in this case because we have five people who
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have been arrested there it sounds like there's some suspicion that other people could
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have had a much much lower levels of involvement but what's the state of the case now and where does it go from here
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yes well I I believe that all five are are equally guilty in my opinion I do I I don't care who did what I understand
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what you're saying uh but there was a pre-trial hearing in December of 2024 and the state they wanted to do
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this with all five defendants of course the defendants filed different motions to have it held separately that didn't
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work right it would be very costly it would be uh it would be very difficult but what ended up happening before is
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that corbley and Paul rce they waved the right to a speedy trial and they waved the right to a pre-trial hearing so that
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led many of us to suspect that they had flipped and they were going to be testifying for the state in order to try
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and get a plea deal and that is what happened and I traveled to Oklahoma to attend this pre-trial hearing and that
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is where we learned the events from that day we learned what happened according to K twamley and Paul Grace and what was
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very shocking about it is on the first day of the pre-trial you know it was it was just Tiffany Adams Tad Cullum and
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Cole TWY and all of a sudden the first day Tiffany gets up and says I'm waving my right to a pre-trial hearing and I'm
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waving my right to uh a speedy trial and I kind of looked over at Tad Cullum and
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he had this this neck vein kind of pop out like he was not aware or he was kind of angry and and it was it was pretty
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shocking and then the second day of the pre-trial Cole twamley decides to wave his right to the pre-trial hearing and a
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speedy trial so all you had left was was Tad colum and uh in January of 2025 Tad
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goes and waves his right to a speedy trial and a pre-trial hearing and they they are all du back in court for a
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status update or a status Hearing in April and then in May of 2025 so what do you think the purpose of that is is that
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to just turn on each other and and try to make one individual seem more responsible than the other
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individuals well Paul Grace testified so that the death penalty would be off the
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table for him this this case I mean I don't understand or I don't see a jury listening to all of this all of the
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evidence and and not finding them guilty I I I don't that's my opinion I I just don't see how they wouldn't get death
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for this because death is on the table and Kora she did not want her minor daughter to testify and she wanted to
00:36:55
strike some kind of deal and again judge still has to sign off on these deals but
00:37:00
what we have on the table so far is Paul again not receiving the death penalty just life in prison without the
00:37:07
possibility of parole and then we have Kora who would subsequently serve 30 years which I think is way too little
00:37:16
but what we learned guys is is pretty much worse than I could have ever imagined I mean we pretty much learned
00:37:25
from Paul Grace that Tiffany brought this white goose neck trailer they hooked it onto a truck
00:37:35
which this truck that they used they actually borrowed from colan's cousin who's the simmer County Sheriff believe
00:37:41
it or not it's so connected and so Twisted but they had this goose neck trailer and when Veronica and Jillian
00:37:48
arrived they were going to tell them and they they told them that uh the children
00:37:53
were in the trailer with a baby calf and that Veronica and I should come and see
00:37:58
because the kids want them to and Paul would be waiting crouched inside the the trailer with a hammer in one hand a stun
00:38:08
gun in the other and a knife in his pocket Paul described when Veronica approached the trailer with Tiffany he
00:38:18
jumped out and he immediately started hitting her in the head with the hammer and she started running and he then
00:38:28
describes how Tad and Tiffany grabbed Jillian I mean guys inside that courtroom it was one of the most
00:38:37
disturbing sad and terrifying moments of my life I mean I I don't think and and this is not about me I'm so sorry that
00:38:44
came out wrong to hear him say this and to be that close to Veronica's family and Jillian's family and hear them just
00:38:54
wailing I mean it was it was awful and Paul is on the stand sobbing he cannot get through what he is trying to
00:39:05
say and convey to us so he describes that Veronica takes off running he is uh tasing her attacking her at one point
00:39:14
Veronica tases his hand and he cannot feel his right hand and he ends up just jumping on her and attacking her and at
00:39:24
some point he just said he kind of blacks out and he just starts stabbing her he starts frenzy stabbing her until
00:39:33
he sees the light drain from her eyes and she's not moving anymore and at the same time he's describing that he hears
00:39:41
Jillian screaming bloody murderer from you know uh the corner of of outside the goose neck trailer and that all of a
00:39:50
sudden he hears a gasp and and nothing else and so he is exhausted he describes he rolls off of of Veronica and he's
00:40:01
laying there and he kind of sits up and he says that Tiffany Adams Then walks around him in a
00:40:10
circle and laughs she laughs he said the most evil laugh he has ever heard in his
00:40:18
life almost like she was admiring her work do you think these allegations were completely
00:40:27
false and made up by Tiffany or do you think that she had any reason to believe that this was actually true I know they
00:40:37
were made up I know they were made up I I mean I can I can get into some of the wrongful
00:40:45
death suits that were just recently dropped but I had suspected this all along Tiffany Adams on the siman
00:40:53
memorial hospital board I mean you know how boards work they they control a lot they control the hirings and the firings
00:40:59
of the staff and she had had made it her job here to take the children to a therapist at this hospital when she
00:41:09
wasn't even a guardian and somehow this therapist allegedly helped her falsify these records and and saying oh yeah the
00:41:19
the kids were abused and I don't know I don't know the details of you know how this therapist interacted with the
00:41:28
children if she made them I have no idea but what I do know is the therapist the
00:41:35
hospital and the five defendants are now being sued for wrongful death and I I didn't say this before but Tad Cullum
00:41:44
allegedly was the one to stab and kill Jillian Kelly although his offense here is that nobody saw him with a knife and
00:41:53
nobody saw him stab Jillian however I'm betting that the clothes and the evidence that were found in the burial
00:42:02
site or or in the chess freezer had Tad's blood on Jillian and and vice versa I don't know what the situation is
00:42:12
in Oklahoma every state is different with this I have a suspicion there's multiple reasons why you would wave your
00:42:19
right to a speedy trial one of those in in my that's always on my mind is a lot of states will give you a day and a half
00:42:28
even two days I think up in Canada you get two and a half days of time served for every day that you sit in a jail
00:42:34
cell waiting for your trial to to get to the point of trial and get to a verdict
00:42:42
so that could be in play here there's probably a lot of of strategy going on behind the scenes with the different
00:42:50
defendants and their attorneys that that would lend itself to wanting to wave your rights to speedy trial to me though
00:42:59
it looks like there's no shortage of evidence against all five of these individuals it would be very difficult
00:43:06
for a jury of their peers to truthfully not throw the book at them and and throw
00:43:14
the book at them they should to the maximum penalty allowed and you said that you believe that the death penalty
00:43:21
could be on the table for one if not all five of these individuals but this this case I mean there's premeditated
00:43:29
murder and then there's this this is goes beyond the standard of premeditated murder yes I believe the death penalty
00:43:38
would be on the table for Tad Cullum Tiffany Adams and Paul Grace hands down Paul Grace again most likely will not
00:43:46
get the death penalty if the judge signs off on this deal he he did Testify the pre-trial hearing and if Tad Tiffany if
00:43:55
if this actually goes to trial which guys I don't know if it will at this point I feel like the da most likely
00:44:04
wants to work out some kind of deal because as as you guys said what what jury uh wouldn't convict them or throw
00:44:11
the book at them even a bench trial I think would be would be tough here so I I do think that everybody here wants a
00:44:19
deal I don't think they should get a deal I mean of course unless the families agree to that I don't know the
00:44:25
communication uh what that's been like with the families but I just I think that you know Tad Cullum he appeared to
00:44:35
have a really uh flashy defense attorney he was the only one that had a paid attorney everyone else used uh public
00:44:42
defenders which which can be amazing right they can be incredible but Tad seemed to be the only one to have some
00:44:50
kind of defense that that look I mean I I don't see anyone buying this because of what we would possibly see um you
00:44:59
know with blood spatter and DNA but but yeah I don't know if I can see this going to trial I really don't but so
00:45:06
what's their plea deal most likely they're going to spend the rest of their life in prison I would think that for
00:45:14
Tad Tiffany and Paul that's a given now I believe that Cole and Kora should get the same I do but I don't think they
00:45:24
will because technically Cole and claimed that they were just the Lookouts but the tough thing is we have two
00:45:32
murder victims so then they become the the just the Lookouts for two murders yes and and technically Cole helped
00:45:43
dispose of the body technically Kora handed a weapon to Tiffany Adams at the site I mean there there's a lot more
00:45:52
again I I haven't gone into the sorted disgusting details of the whole thing and I I don't think we need to I I have
00:45:59
to say though cor twam on the stand at the pre-trial hearing she did not seem sorry remorseful at all she seemed she
00:46:09
seemed truly evil in my opinion where as Paul Grace I mean he clearly it's too little too late he's a
00:46:17
a he is I mean I'm just going to say it he he's a piece of [ __ ] guys I apologize
00:46:23
but he at least had what seemed to be remorse he was sobbing he said at one point he didn't care if he lived or died
00:46:31
he didn't even care about the deal uh you know it's so it's the whole thing it's awful I mean I I I can't tell you
00:46:39
guys how many sleepless nights I've had just thinking about this case and thinking about the kids Jillian's kids
00:46:45
Veronica's kids I mean this this did not have to happen and in my opinion so many
00:46:51
people were complicit in just turning the other way looking the other way and not actually seeing or or preventing
00:47:00
what what was going on with Tiffany Adams well it's sad and also scary to think that their their religious beliefs
00:47:10
played a a factor in these murders yes and unfortunately we're we're seeing that more and more you know Lori valow
00:47:18
Ruby Frankie I just I'm sick of it I'm truly sick of it it's like can we stop now like God did not tell you to do this
00:47:27
[Music] a big thank you to Lauren conin from pop Crime TV over there on YouTube and her
00:47:47
fantastic outlier podcast Lauren became quick and fast friends with us here in the garage very
00:47:55
recently and we were even talking about cases that we've covered here in the garage that she has a wealth of
00:48:01
knowledge on but it was so off the Record we can't even put it on our show our subscription show off the Record so
00:48:09
she is a wealth of knowledge and she was a joy to talk to I enjoyed her passion about these cases because this case in
00:48:17
particular is incredibly heinous we have seen this in other situations where these custody battles get way out of
00:48:25
hand it takes of Village People to raise these kids let's band together and do the best for these children everywhere
00:48:33
to bring them up the proper way and we have some trials that will be underway in this situation these poor victims
00:48:41
here Veronica so young just a young mother trying to do right by her CH children
00:48:47
just trying to see her kids and she's set up and killed by these monsters these maniacs and I can only imagine
00:48:56
that that somehow Tiffany Adams was able to brainwash these others these other idiots into formulating this plan that
00:49:04
thankfully it was so flawed that they left enough evidence behind and they they left a big trail behind that we
00:49:10
were able to get some answers quickly but it's never going to bring back these two innocent people Veronica Butler and
00:49:18
Jillian Kelly a woman who was just there to do her job a woman that was just out
00:49:22
there doing her job and her family is suffering now because of the evil of these God's Misfits and their actions
00:49:31
and what they chose to do to try to bury these two and hide them and conceal them
00:49:35
forever and keep these kids it's really really sickening stuff there's trials that are about to happen here in April
00:49:44
and it appears that a lot of these people within this group are turning on one another I hope that it is fast and I
00:49:52
hope that we can lock them up and throw away the key very very soon well like what we were
00:49:59
talking about on the show there is a good chance that this doesn't go to trial that everybody just makes deals
00:50:06
you have to love the passion in which she is covering this case any anytime somebody says that one of these idiots
00:50:15
these brainwashed pieces of [ __ ] when they call them a piece of [ __ ] you you
00:50:20
know they're you know they're my friend because they're using my vernacular so I guess we'll just wait to
00:50:28
see what happens we will be keeping an eye and an ear on the situation that's for sure so Colonel do we have any
00:50:34
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00:50:41
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00:50:49
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