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[Music] [Music] well we've arrived at that time here Captain where we have to discuss a
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polygraph test some people get very upset if you talk about polygraph tests some people get upset if you leave them
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out we make our own rules in this garage and here we go we're going to talk about a
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polygraph test for everybody out there Justin depietro in one of his interviews with the main Sentinel Justin said that
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he did take a polygraph test he said I asked for a polygraph on day one I've taken one and the results I was
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never allowed to see them it's something you're going to have to ask law enforcement about
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this is not really true he did take the polygraph test however Steve mcclausen the spokesman for the
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Maine Department of Public Safety said quote he Justin knows how he did because we
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told him to say he didn't know is just not true end quote so how did Justin do on the poly mcclausen said that he would
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not say that was not going to be public information but Justin would tell us how
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he did he says I know I went in there and smoked it I told the truth and that's it
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but did police actually tell Justin that he passed Justin dodged this question you know how did you do did they tell
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you that you passed how did how can you say that you smoked it unless they told you that you passed and he dodged this
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question he said they can tell me whatever they want again I didn't physically see the
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results I don't know that that a lay person could physically see the results and know the answers or know
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how they performed on the test the Sentinel reporter pressed him on this issue and asked him if police told him
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he failed Justin said that's all irrelevant I wanted to see the results myself they're not letting me see them
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why don't they let the public see them we don't think we need to say any more about this polygraph here in the garage
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because I think at this point we've been clear that in this investigation as large as it was
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that the police have determined they're going to keep a lot of stuff close to their vest they're not going to release
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anything more than they have to so this is difficult when you look at this case from a national media
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standpoint because now you have Justin who is less forthcoming but at times does come forward and give interviews or
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answer some questions release statements and you have Trista who's doing a media
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blitz she's doing every media bit that she can when law enforcement when they're not telling us their opinions or
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what the evidence shows them were kind of left to observe these two individuals behaving a little
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differently from one another but they're also allowed to paint their own pictures
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who tell their side of the story and we're left with very little to back up either person's story but what we do
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know is there's no evidence of this child leaving the house you bring in multiple canine units to
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try to pick up a scent and they don't get one and we have law enforcement saying and if this is true that they
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gave a polygraph early on in the investigation is this part of the evidence that law enforcement then goes
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hey we don't believe that this child is alive we believe that there's Foul Play involved and you're exactly right
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Captain because this is the direction that the investigation is moving toward and we know that because on December
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30th there was more news out of Waterville but it wasn't good news it was news telling us that the case was
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officially declared a criminal investigation and would now be spearheaded by the Maine State Police
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Major Crimes unit Chief Massey's written release to the public said quote at this
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point we believe that Foul Play has occurred in connection with ayla's disappearance we base our conclusions on
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evidence gathered by investigators during the past two weeks this case has evolved from the search for a missing
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child to a criminal investigation end quote and sure enough a state police evidence response team was back at the
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depietro home right around the time of this statement being released to the public they're out there taking
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measurements of the driveway they're removing windows and doing other things that they simply would not discuss on
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the record the home was finally released back to the debitro family this on December 31st by this point in our
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timeline Captain Ayla has been missing for 14 days in the New Year dive teams plunged into
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sections of the cannabec river based on projections of where Ayla could be per map analysis but unfortunately found
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nothing the investigation continued with several members of the extended depietro
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and Reynolds families taking polygraphs and searches ongoing police would not discuss who took lie detector tests
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publicly but Alicia depietro told the Sentinel newspaper that she took one and quote vote did fine yeah she she said
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she smoked it right well she says she did fine and Justin said he smoked it like that's not the proper way to take
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the test sir the proper way is to answer the questions well look I mean not smoke
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detect let me just tell you he is uh what we consider uh douche I sat down for the SATs I didn't fill out that
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paper I rolled it up and smoked smoked it yeah on January 28th there was more not
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good news and this time it's going to be a doozy because police confirmed that they had
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found blood in the depietro home they would not initially say whose blood or how much but stating that blood was
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found in the basement of the house and it had been found via the crime scene text use of luminol and I'm sure most of
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our listeners know exactly what luminol is one to be more clear it was found in the basement but it was found where
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Justin was staying what they considered to be his bedroom that's right and the official statement was this we find the
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discovery of blood troubling and it's also frustrating that we think that three adults in the home that night
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haven't told us everything that they know there were three adults in the home in their version of events is not backed
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up by any forensic evidence that we have located although they also found Blood on the bottom of his shoes which would
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have been blood from his daughter and this is echoing something that you said earlier captain that in their statement
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says you know the three adults are basically telling us that they believe that someone slipped into the home in
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the middle of the night but all three adults were there and that that someone went into the bedroom where
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Ayla was sleeping alone removed her and vanished into the night and the three adults did not see or hear anything and
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police straight up saying this doesn't pass the straight face test as they called it
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and police said that they had received several hundred pieces of potential evidence from the depietro home
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what all of it was has never been officially addressed or released to the public we do know that they removed a
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window this was the window closest to ayla's bed and later it was said that they determined that the windows to the
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home could not have been opened from the outside and that they had not been tampered with
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the depietro family challenged the assertions that they were not being forthcoming with all of what they knew
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and in fact they said that the investigators had not done a very thorough job in their forensic
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investigation of the depietro home Alicia herself says there were things that they didn't fingerprint in ayla's
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room that they felt that they should have she said that they were referring to a table that was located directly
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beneath the bedroom window and some other items of furniture she says that the family learned that the window to
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ayla's room was unlocked on the night of her disappearance and it says and goes on to say that we
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do look they just make up their stories they're they're trying to control whatever narrative you have the police
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coming out saying these windows if locked would not be able to be open from the outside
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the if the police knew that that window was unlocked that night then that's more evidence towards the
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idea that there could have been impossible intruder right so to me this is just them
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controlling the narrative exactly and I don't think that Waterville PD or the Maine State Police
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would bother to go out of their way to tell us that hey these these windows were secure they weren't tampered with
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if they had reason to believe otherwise right or to believe that some of the windows were unlocked and so here let me
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break it down to you how it works if you have a table underneath a window that you don't believe was ever open
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what's the point there's no point of the table being put into evidence and people can
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question that as much as they want that statement or what the forensic detectives did inside the house that
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time during their investigation and what evidence they chose to collect or ignore
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but what people out in listener land that aren't familiar with this case do not know is that there's evidence that they
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were finding to suggest that not only did was Ayla not taken from that room that night in the middle of the night
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that something else probably went down in the house and it didn't go down in that bedroom yeah there was a lot of
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blood found yeah and and there's actually I saw something I think it was a like crime watch Daily where they had
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a blueprint of the blueprints they had blueprints of the house and they had all these indicators where they found
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blood it was all over the place and I believe that Justin's sister said well the baby was throwing up because she's
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lactose intolerant she's throwing up blood well see that's what's going to happen here captain in
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this part of our timeline where again new information comes out and like you said we have the depietros who come
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forward that's when they're willing to come forward all of a sudden talk when new information comes out and it doesn't
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make them look so good now they have a reason to come forward and talk to explain things away or push you or your
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attention into another Direction well that's why you don't explain things in the first place
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because then when the evidence comes out it doesn't contradict your first story well and this is where the Public's
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going to get a lot of their information on this case so let's go back to the end
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of January this is a vigil that was held for the still missing Ayla Reynolds where at the candlelight vigil Trista
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and Justin were seen talking briefly and it seemed like everything was okay between the two of them they're
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even seen hugging very briefly for the first time in this whole ordeal this being a little surprising to everybody
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that's been watching the coverage so far where they're kind of in a roundabout way pointing fingers at each other and
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especially Trista is pointing the finger at her ex pretty hard I think in in this situation and
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some of her interviews and statements now her family specifically her mother Becca's husband his name is Jeff Hansen
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he started a website called Ayla reynolds.com and on there they posted whatever information they felt
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would shine a negative light on Justin of course it's the idea of the website Captain is to help find
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Ayla provide information to the public that will help locate Ayla but when you view it
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you what you're going to see there is a lot of information that speaks negatively about Justin and his inner
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circle so after the comments about the blood being found in the house their website published more information
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even though the police did not want this information revealed the info was that the blood found at
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Justin's home belonged to Ayla remember they didn't say who the blood was from but apparently the Reynolds have reason
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to believe that they know that it's from they being law enforcement know that it
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was from Ayla they post this on the website and adding that the police told the family that the blood was more than a
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small cut would produce yeah is equal to a cup full pretty much by Justin's bed so then I
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wonder was there a rug there was there a towel there that was discarded that might have had even more blood on it and
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so if that cup full is more than a small cut would produce how big of an injury and what kind of injury happened to this
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poor child well and with this information somewhat leaked out to the public now the the authorities are
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backed into a corner so then they have to then confirm that the blood found in the house was in fact aylas to which the
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depietros are going to respond now and we have Alicia who told crime watch Daily that Ayla was lactose intolerant
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and sick and vomiting which she believed explained the police findings of blood in the house
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but I don't know I couldn't imagine a child is puking up blood you go to the emergency room yes that's that's the
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issue with this if that's truly what was going on giant pile of dog [ __ ] maybe
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she didn't add enough words to her statement maybe she meant to indicate or to to tell us
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that the girl could have been vomiting in the middle of the night you know when they weren't around when
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no one was around to see it but that's I'm with you Captain that's immediately where my mind goes if if I see anyone
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child or adult or otherwise vomiting blood we get some people with medical know-how
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involved in the situation yeah okay look with this Justin character you don't use your imagination to know what
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I think of him but I don't want to throw his mother under the bus or his sister under the bus and the fact of I don't
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know what they know his mother wasn't there that night you know supposedly this guy's girlfriend was there I'm
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either they're not together now but why the hell isn't she coming forward and then but his sister I can't give you
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a pass if my niece or nephew was over here throwing up blood and I called my sister and said hey your kid is throwing
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up blood and she said don't worry about us they're lactose intolerant I go no this ain't right
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they need to go to the emergency room they need to see a doctor we I need to have somebody tell me
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um that this is okay I've never heard of anybody throwing up blood because they're lactose intolerant
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well the website was eventually converted to a Blog in 2012 called answers for Ayla
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and it continued to release information and we should be clear here though Captain some of the information that
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they're pumping out it does paint Justin in a bad light and maybe his sister as well
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but law enforcement technically have not backed up a lot of the information that's being released on that that site
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at the time one thing that was curious was that they were stating on the website that Justin
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took out a life insurance policy on Ayla this would have been soon after he took custody of her so not
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something that he had from birth but according to their website if he did this this was something he did after he
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had her in his custody in February of 2012 Justin and his family and friends granted another
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interview with the Morning Sentinel they stuck to their guns that Ayla was kidnapped Justin said there were good
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reasons to believe Ayla was kidnapped but he would not elaborate on that later he said that he found out Trista had
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been in Waterville this is something that you had talked about had been in Waterville around the
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time Ayla vanished he's referring to that drive that Trista was on the drive from Portland
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and in fact everybody's right it would have taken her right by Waterville it's very
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it's weird yeah it's very suspicious the my other issue too is she's going to go
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see her boyfriend or fiance and he's in prison I mean is that correct that's the information I have so I'm so
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Trista just has a shitty ass picker I get a better picker you know like you you have it and not just for yourself
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but for your daughter you know you you have a 22 month old daughter and you're you're picking some scumbag
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that's in jail again who knows what he did right well he was in in there for and and maybe
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instead of taking this long trip to go visit somebody maybe you because Justin is not letting you talk to your daughter
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I believe the day before he said no you can't talk to her because she's watching
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Home Alone 2. now how much is a 22 month year old understanding of Home Alone 2.
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at that point when somebody says no you can't talk to your daughter yeah 75 miles away I'm driving up to check on my
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daughter but she wasn't doing that she was going up to visit her boyfriend because her life well true but she's
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also filed she's filed paperwork with the court system to get custody of her daughter back no she's taking legal
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matters into to her own hands and pursuing getting her daughter back I understand
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that but but when you when she says look I try to talk to my daughter he won't let me talk to her because she's
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watching a movie she found that to be fishy or suspicious it's like you're in that area stop by
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and and check on your daughter yeah stop by check on her and it also goes back to
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what you were talking about earlier that's why you need to have a plan in place you have to have these formalities
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of who gets Ayla win and where she's supposed to be that that's why you should have these things
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put into place so you don't find yourself in a situation because when you don't have that put into place you can't
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control what the other side is going to do you could be the most the best mother
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ever the most responsible parent ever and do everything right however you cannot control anything that the other
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parent is going to do we all know that Captain loves his moms right but there just needs to be a lot more education to
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be a a woman in today's age I mean after the age of 30 they start calling women geriatric mothers like how
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how how awful was that well you know we should be applauding people that decide to wait until they're financially stable
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until they're in a better spot in their life to bring a child into this world but but we but we have the nerve to call
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women geriatric mothers at the age of like 35 or whatever it is it's ridiculous but that's a whole nother
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rant but but again and I don't want to throw her too much under the bus but she then says well I was thinking
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once I visited my boyfriend or fiance or whatever the heck he is right that she was thinking that maybe she could stop
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by on the way back and then obviously she got the call but we won't know if that's
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just her explaining a situation away after the information well twice in this case uh once on searches and once kind
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of happenstance there were remains found that people believed at least for a short period of time could have been
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that of Ayla Reynolds and the first was in 2012 when they recovered a skeleton but very
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quickly determined that it was not Ayla because it was an adult-sized skeleton but when the first news of it came out
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they thought well maybe we finally found her right this turned out to be the remains of Stephen C Brandon of
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Waterville who this is very tragic like a tragic Side Story here he had been missing since February of
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2004 so eight years um it I've did a little digging and it appears that his death was a suicide but
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can you imagine the hurt of of Steven Brandon's family who went without answers for eight years in
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his in his case he was missing all of this time the other was when a baby doe or who was later dubbed the Deer Island
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Jane Doe was found in June of 2015. this one looked like it might be a little more likely to be Ayla because it was
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the remains were that of an unidentified toddler but it was eventually proved that
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Ayla was not a possible identity match for those remains [Music] foreign [Music]
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[Music] cheers to all the good mothers out there and good Fathers out there and people in
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the front in the back and cheers to the billy goat himself I don't like this new name the billy
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goats no good um so the goat of True Crime what's going on here Captain what this is going
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to devolve into in regards to the depietro family and the Reynolds Family is a lot of interestingly bad behavior
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on both parts so we have a situation where the windows of Phoebe depietro's home were broken two of the windows were
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busted out and police arrested 19 year old Jeremy Hansen for this act of vandalism who is a relative of tristas
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and then we have a situation where in July there's this weird episode of Lance depietro so this is Justin's brother I
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guess he's sort of the enforcer in the family or at least as the a judge would later refer to him as an enforcer he was
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convicted of assaulting his sister Alicia's estranged baby daddy Justin linnell uh Lino was involved in a
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custody dispute with Alicia over the child and apparently he had posted some comments on Facebook about his
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suspicions of Justin depietro's involvement in what happened to Ayla and so after that
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this is when the brother steps into action and assaults this guy and Lance I'm not going to get into it
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but he already by this point in his life had a a pretty extensive rap sheet in July of 2013 Justin himself was
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arrested for assault and this is interesting because the person he assaulted was Courtney Roberts his now
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ex-girlfriend but she's the girlfriend that was staying with him on the night that Ayla vanished
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the story goes like this that the two had an argument and Justin grabbed and pushed Courtney he was arrested again in
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September for violating his bail and being in possession of alcohol you're look you're a [ __ ] wagon if you put your
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hands on a woman the reason that this altercation is of interest to me is that look I I'm not thinking or believing
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Justin's story of what's going on we're getting leaked this information about evidence that's
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telling us something else happened now Courtney's got reason to go against Justin but
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never really tells us anything bad you know doesn't come forward and say Justin was lying Justin did something to Ayla
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we don't get any information from Courtney where now she's in a position to where she might want to join the other
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side and finally tell the truth is she really or is she just in a position that we
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know that this guy is now capable of violence and and maybe when they got an argument she said I'll I'll go to Cops
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and that's why the the even escalated and is she fearful of her safety or did she also feel like it's too late that if
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she comes forward now that she's had too much involvement yeah she'll be railroaded herself well around
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the same time that this is all going on we have a situation behind the scenes Captain where the police contact both
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parents both of ayla's parents Justin and Trista separately and they say look we don't believe that she's still alive
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we're months and months into this investigation we have evidence that tell us that she's probably not alive and we
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have reasons to believe that she's not alive and now we're conducting our investigation as such with that in mind
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so the parents were notified by the police of that change in their investigation this leads us to late
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September 2013. remember Justin has that assault charge against Courtney or on Courtney I apologize and
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this gets interesting because there ends up being a headline regarding this his court date for September 2013 from
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Central maine.com and the headline reads Ayla Reynolds Family Feud erupts outside
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Courthouse this would be almost comical right if the subject matter weren't so tragic if
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we didn't have a missing little girl here blood shows you how immature both parties involved are well let's let's
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review what went down here according to Central Maine as they reported it they said a confrontation began when
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depietro's mother Phoebe depietro called Reynold's Father Ryan Reynolds and obscenity in the courtroom prompting him
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to follow her into a hallway where the verbal exchange escalated according to Witnesses Phoebe depietro walked past
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Trista and Ron Reynolds and whispered something to them Ron Reynolds then stood up and followed her out into the
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hallway shouting what did you say to me Phoebe depietro kept walking while Reynolds was restrained by security
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officers and he's yelling your son killed my granddaughter now Phoebe depietro and
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Ron Reynolds were escorted from the building by the marshals and this what followed shortly afterward
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was Trista Reynolds and other members of the Reynolds Family were asked to leave
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so this situation devolves into basically some of the Reynolds Camp shouting at the depietros we know you
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did something wrong you know your son killed my granddaughter things of that nature but what's interesting here is
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look you get you got people out there in listener land right now who are going well why in the hell would the Reynolds
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Family even be at this hearing about Justin's domestic violence charge at all right it didn't involve them it didn't
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involve their granddaughter or daughter Ayla the short answer is Trista had actually quite cleverly planned this
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out she wanted to force some kind of confrontation with Justin a public confrontation to draw attention
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to the fact that she believed that he should be charged in ayla's disappearance and his court appearance gave her a
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platform to do this and she said quote I don't understand why Justin Alicia and Courtney have not
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been charged yet those would be the three adults at the depietro home the night that Ayla went missing I don't
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understand why they haven't been charged with lying to the police we respect the
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dedication of the police agencies and the prosecutor's office in pursuing this case however we disagree with the
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delaying arrest and prosecution so this gets very convoluted and then sometimes people say well follow the money and
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maybe that will lead you to what really happened and what we do know is three days before she went missing that Justin
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the father took out a life insurance policy on her now that can't be collected just because she goes missing
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so he would have to or Trista would have to declare her deceased now in order to do this that's not that
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easy you have to have some kind of evidence where you can submit that to the courts and then the courts have to
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decide whether they're going to declare her as just deceased or not yes which doesn't automatically then trigger the
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insurance money payout correct now I mean we're jumping ahead here quite a bit because it wasn't until 2019.
00:35:47
that Justin was specifically asked about the insurance policy and we now know that that was not just an accusation by
00:35:56
the Reynolds Family it was in fact true because his own words were yes we did have a life insurance policy on
00:36:04
Ayla Reynolds and according to his statement he bought a life insurance policy on
00:36:12
Ayla about a month before her disappearance is his statement let's get into the blood evidence that trista's
00:36:20
family is going to use to try to get her declared deceased well the blood evidence is more
00:36:30
yes it's it is used for that for that purpose as well but when the blood evidence gets released to the
00:36:38
public it's being released via the Reynolds website for Ayla the one that's putting out information putting Justin
00:36:47
depietro in a bad light so this information comes on their website magically shortly after this shouting
00:36:56
match outside of the courthouse at Justin's domestic violence charge case what they did was they posted documents
00:37:04
on their website they had a ton of information on them which if true are very damning it's very damning
00:37:11
information so I'll read through this it says on January 3rd of this year investigators from the Maine State
00:37:17
Police met with Trista Alex which is trista's boyfriend and Melissa which is Alex's mother for the
00:37:25
purpose of disclosing a slideshow of Select blood evidence collected from the depietro's property in ayla's case the
00:37:34
following summarizes the slideshow contents ayla's blood found the blood evidence
00:37:40
described here was visible to the naked eye so everything we are about to list for you here was visible to the naked
00:37:48
eye of the detectives in the forensic texts working the scene they found several drops of ayla's blood were found
00:37:55
on the left shoulder strap of ayla's car seat in Justin's vehicle ayla's dried vomit was found on the back
00:38:03
seat droplets of ayla's blood were found on pom-poms of her pink princess slippers a silver dollar size stain of
00:38:12
ayla's blood was found on a sofa in the depietro family's living room this would
00:38:17
be in the main floor of the house ayla's blood was found smeared on her baby doll's face and arms in the bedroom
00:38:26
that she shared with Alicia depietro's daughter what they State here Captain is that the
00:38:33
thought was that maybe Ayla tried to wipe blood from her mouth with the doll I've not seen the doll or the blood
00:38:40
evidence on this or or photograph of this as it's not been released to the public but I'm guessing that that the
00:38:48
smear of that blood would give the impression that that might have been something that occurred drops of ayla's
00:38:54
blood were found on a fan cord and Justin's basement bedroom ayla's blood spot ayla's blood splatter was found on a
00:39:03
plastic blue tote in the basement and a sheet that was found inside had ayla's blood
00:39:10
stains on it as well the Maine State Police said that they believed that this sheet
00:39:17
was used to clean up ayla's blood several drops of ayla's blood were found on the tongue and inside Justin's
00:39:27
sneakers in the basement beside his bed a fist-sized stain of ayla's blood was found on Justin's mattress and sheets
00:39:35
this sample contains saliva possibly vomit and a toy hair a toy like hair pink fiber which at the time the state
00:39:45
police had not identified but later we're going to learn that that came from a toy several splatters of ayla's blood
00:39:51
were found on sections of the cement floor and wall beside Justin's bed these blood splatters were consistent with
00:40:01
ayla's standing height and we're up to a dime in size State Police blood analysis determined
00:40:09
that the blood splatters were created by intense projectile vomiting and or blunt
00:40:15
force trauma several splatters of ayla's blood were found on a wood pallet leaning against a wall in the basement
00:40:23
now the state police detectives and a grief counselor from the Attorney General's office were there with the
00:40:31
Reynolds Family with Trista during this slideshow and after the photos of blood visible to the naked eye were shown the
00:40:42
state police began to show the luminal enhanced photo so this is blood that they only found by way of use of
00:40:49
aluminum well I bet these rooms lit up like a damn Christmas tree well the the collective impression from the slideshow
00:40:57
that Trista Alex and Melissa are seeing was that you know Justin's bedroom looked like a murder scene
00:41:06
from all of the blood evidence that they're showing coming from that basement area the state police
00:41:12
determined that the samples some of the samples of ayla's blood exhibited a spray pattern
00:41:19
so this is not consistent with like a cut like oh I cut my hand on a on a A can or or on some broken glass or
00:41:27
something of that nature this is blood that's being sprayed out some of the samples contained saliva of
00:41:35
course this could be from the vomiting but what the state police were saying was that they believe that the evidence
00:41:42
is showing them that Ayla was coughing up blood from internal injuries and they concluded that ayla's injuries were both
00:41:50
internal and external according to the blood evidence that they were finding makes you wonder if they gave her some
00:41:59
liquid to drink or or some items to drink or or to eat you know I mean yeah I I mean I don't cause death I mean
00:42:10
whatever happened was would have been a violent reaction yeah by the child if she was given something
00:42:19
but they're stating that they believed that the blood evidence is showing them that the injuries were internal and
00:42:26
external I mean how is that not enough to put somebody Behind Bars this poor girl how
00:42:33
could you do that to a child well and this is an interesting way to sort of spin it or bring some kind of Justice
00:42:42
for Ayla against Justin here because in 2014 Trista wrote a letter to the Morning
00:42:50
Sentinel newspaper this was requesting that the district attorney should bring child endangerment charges against
00:42:58
Justin depietro Tristan had acknowledged in the past that the murder charges were unlikely
00:43:05
without her child's body but she pointed out in this letter that police had found
00:43:10
blood they shared that information with her and believed it was of sufficient amounts to indicate a crime had been
00:43:19
committed now at this time in our timeline 2014 the statute of limitations on the child
00:43:26
endangerment charges would expire in months if not levied against Justin quickly
00:43:34
her letter said quote who can argue Ayla was not a victim of heinous abuse her father had a duty to protect her and
00:43:42
he did not and for that he needs to be prosecuted you may not have the authority to prosecute Justin for murder
00:43:49
but you do have the authority and the obligation to prosecute him for other crimes and then Trista went on to detail
00:43:57
the evidence that police had collected the blood evidence to back up her statement of hey at least charge this
00:44:05
guy with something now one of the confusing legal matters in this case wrapped up in the whole
00:44:11
case itself is unfortunately the district attorney didn't have any jurisdiction over this case because the
00:44:18
case had already been transferred early in the investigation to the State Attorney General's office so per main
00:44:24
law the attorney general has exclusive jurisdiction over homicides and other major cases and since ayla's case was
00:44:32
considered a major case that's where the jurisdiction would lie so Deputy Attorney General William
00:44:40
Stokes explained that the main criminal code a defendant can't be subject to separate trials for
00:44:48
multiple offenses based on the same conduct or arising from the same crime except in certain instances this means
00:44:58
that if they went ahead and nailed Justin for child endangerment then the state would lose the ability
00:45:05
later to prosecute him for murder so their hands are a little tied here and it looks to me like what you were
00:45:14
saying earlier Captain they have some evidence telling them that a murder is probably what we're dealing with that's
00:45:21
ultimately what they want to charge him with and that's the direction that their
00:45:25
investigation has been on for quite some time yeah it seems to me like this individual the father should be put into
00:45:32
prison and it seems to me that there's clearly enough evidence to know that that this child was murdered and
00:45:41
murdered in that house and that these adults four of them let's say because whether the mother was there or not she
00:45:49
has to know more than she's saying and why they're not coming forward is absolutely ridiculous why are you
00:45:57
going to try to save your son and and not protect your granddaughter it's absolutely just doesn't make any
00:46:04
sense we put this guy in prison you know he'd become a a knob Peddler butt junkie
00:46:11
real quick in prison the direction that Trista is going to go in and pursue again trying to seek some kind of
00:46:20
Justice unfortunately in 2017 she has to go in front of a judge and explain that her child is dead I need you to
00:46:30
legally declare Ayla to be dead here's some of the evidence that I was shown can you can you please make this uh
00:46:38
determination and of course no parent wants to have to go in front of a judge and ask
00:46:44
for this for anything like this at all you want to keep hope and hold on to hope that maybe there's a chance that
00:46:52
she's still alive but part of this is to try to get some form of Justice because
00:46:58
once Ayla is legally declared to be dead now we can pursue some civil action against Justin depietro if we can't get
00:47:09
him for criminal and the criminal courts will get him in a civil lawsuit Court we will charge you know we will come at
00:47:17
him with a lawsuit of uh wrongful death lawsuit and this opens up a couple of things one
00:47:25
it opens up the closed case files of Ayla Reynolds investigation and what the police findings were and what they know
00:47:35
and the facts that they collected along the way it opens those up to both sides the depietros and the Reynolds pursuing
00:47:45
those in reviewing that information in there in either a defense or a challenge against Justin it also opens
00:47:56
up Justin depietro his mother his sister his ex-girlfriend to a whole different line of questioning because in this
00:48:05
Arena Captain they will be deposed so they will be under oath they will be held to the standard that
00:48:15
they could perjure themselves or if they start telling different stories or even different stories from
00:48:21
one another that would warrant further investigation you can't have three adults in the house all telling
00:48:27
different stories that night again like I said it's just it's unbelievable that his family would have this they have the
00:48:35
evidence in front of their face and that somebody's not coming forward and saying
00:48:41
whether it's an accident or or not or whatever it's like they it's almost like they didn't care at all about this poor
00:48:50
little baby well and that's what's bizarre here in this case to me because we've seen other cases where something
00:48:57
bad goes down and years go by and then stories start to change or information coming out of
00:49:05
the bad guys Camp which sorry depietro's I'm calling you the bad guys Camp because you look like a bunch of bad
00:49:12
guys right now and and these other stories that we've covered there's information that comes
00:49:19
out later in from the bad guys camps that that start to tell us a little bit of what
00:49:25
may have happened that yes there was some kind of accident or there was some kind of violence that night or we gave
00:49:34
the child something and they had a reaction here it's Bizarro to me Captain that we
00:49:41
have all these years later and I'm glad I'm I'm I'm very happy that the Reynolds
00:49:46
pursued this civil suit to try to force these individuals to talk because I can't believe look at the end of the
00:49:56
day you could tell me maybe Mama depietro doesn't know what happened and I could believe that I could take a
00:50:04
bite off that apple and roll with it but I can't believe that his sister and his girlfriend I can't think of a
00:50:11
scenario that would go down that would show and leave this kind of evidence blood evidence in the house that they
00:50:19
didn't see anything or hear anything or not know I absolutely 100 percent believe that
00:50:25
Justin depietro knows fully what happened and is probably fully responsible for what happened to this
00:50:32
little girl why we haven't heard information from the sister or the ex-girlfriend is
00:50:38
anyone's guess and like you said maybe they're just too involved now according to Trista
00:50:45
she says that police basically told her that Ayla was killed wrapped up put in the plastic tote that we mentioned the
00:50:54
plastic tote bag found in the basement and disposed of of course but where is anyone's guess if
00:51:02
they had her remains I think they're moving forward with charges of murder against Justin depietro on the ninth
00:51:09
anniversary of ayla's disappearance in December of 2020 things were on hold they were pending preparation for the
00:51:18
Civil Trial trista's attorney William Childs said that he was awaiting documents from the State Attorney
00:51:25
General's office he pointed out that five hundred thousand dollars of Investigation by the state of Maine
00:51:32
went into ayla's case and had produced a lot of materials that he needed to review for the civil suit
00:51:39
trista's family set up a GoFundMe account to help pay for legal expenses now this is not for the attorney the
00:51:47
attorney is working pro bono here he's doing good work in trying to help out some people in need
00:51:53
the GoFundMe account is to help pay for legal expenses for expert witness fees child said that because of the pandemic
00:52:02
there would be a long delay before a trial happened since civil trials are less priority than a criminal trials so
00:52:10
we will sit captain and we will wait to find out what is going to happen in this civil
00:52:17
case and see if it leads to more information information that might lead to the recovery of the remains of this
00:52:24
little girl which could then lead to charges against Justin depietro maybe his ex-girlfriend Courtney and his
00:52:32
sister Alicia as a result of ayla's case Waterville 911 dispatch became the third in the
00:52:39
state of Maine to be certified in procedures designed to better handle 9-1-1 calls in a missing person's case
00:52:47
and that might help in cases where the caller genuinely is concerned and wants the missing person to be found however
00:52:57
if the caller is only pretending to seek police involvement and has no intention
00:53:01
of communicating helpful information all the training in the world will not help
00:53:07
police find the victim [Music] foreign thank you guys so much for joining us here every week in the garage to truly
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are our best friends in the whole entire world Colonel any recommended reading how about a little
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recommended viewing Captain let's remind everyone that the Sons of Sam is available for your viewing pleasure on
00:53:44
Netflix director and longtime friend of the garage Joshua Zeman's the Sons of Sam is a Netflix docu-series that
00:53:52
confronts a true crime Legend and speaking of Legends this is an added bonus the great Paul Giamatti narrates
00:54:00
the series and Giamatti is fantastic as a narrator we've had Joshua on the show in the past to discuss his other works
00:54:08
The Killing season and killer Legends and we had Son of Sam victim Carl De Niro on off the record on our other show
00:54:16
off the Record not too long ago to discuss his experience as a surviving victim of a serial killer watch Sons of
00:54:25
Sam on Netflix and until next week be good be kind and don't litter thank you [Music]