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let's talk some true crime it was a cold case in the Deep South a former Beauty Queen in school
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teacher who mysteriously disappeared and was eventually declared dead now 12 years after Tara grinstead disappeared
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di mackinery says a man from her hometown has been charged with her murder at long last a break in the
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baffling disappearance of a beauty queen 11 years ago this scraggly 33-year-old has been charged with the slaying of
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pageant winner Tara grinstead who vanished Without a Trace from her home in a small Georgia town cracking the
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case of The Disappearance of Tara grinstead Tara Fay grinstead is huge Tara's dog was found at her home looking
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for Lorn after her disappearance I have exercised I've shopped for clothes and clothes and clothes 30-year-old Tara was
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a three-time winner of a local beauty contest she was also a contestant in the 1999 Miss Georgia Pageant Aza domenic
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con won that contest and became close friends with terara she was just a beautiful person inside and out she was
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a wonderful friend we go shopping together and you know pick out interview dresses and talent dresses Tara also
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taught High School history she was really a phenomenal teacher and had such a passion for her work her disappearance
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triggered a massive search in 2005 and National interest tonight I am live here in osilla Georgia we are at the terara
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Grandad location the mystery held particular interest for Georgia native Nancy Grace this is a case that has
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haunted not only me but a whole town now for 11 years as the years passed Tera was declared legally dead but her body
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was never found now out of nowhere an individual came forward and reported that they had information in The
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terror's Disappearance as a result of that tip Ryan Duke has been charged we always believed that it would be soft we
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just did not know win Duke graduated from the high school where Tara taught it's not clear whether they knew each
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other filmmaker Payne Lindsay is credited with keeping the case in the public eye through his podcast this is
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up and vanished the investigation of terara grinstead I'm your host Payne Lindsay it seemed like he had been
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wearing the weight of the world for over a decade but many questions remain we still don't know where her body is we
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still don't know exactly what happened to her in February of 2017 the gbi surprised everyone with an announcement
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of a press conference with the case remaining unsolved for almost 12 years at that point people did not know what
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to expect from this press conference on February 23rd the gbi announced that it had made an arrest in the ter grinstead
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case Irwin County authorities had arrested 33-year-old Ryan Alexander Duke of ailla and had charged him with murder
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burglary and aggravated assault and concealing a death the bombshell effect of this announcement cannot be
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overstated in short everyone was stunned the gbi admitted that Ryan Duke had never been on their radar and even more
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shockingly Ryan had been a student at the high school where Tera had taught for years so Ryan was just 21 years old
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when Tara had disappeared in 2005 and he had graduated from irn County High School 3 years
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earlier after his arrest he was held at the Irwin County Jail without bail and in April of 2017 Ryan was indicted by
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the Irwin County grand jury on multiple accounts including burglary aggravated murder and felony
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murder what do we know about what they believe happened in 2005 that's a good question
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because until recently until very recently in fact there was a gag order in place regarding the Tera grinstead
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case there is information in the court documents however this including the arrest warrants and indictments and we
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will go through that but mostly there are people talking but officials have released very little actual information
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what we can figure out is this all right the arrest warrant and indictments both
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assert that Ryan Duke burglarized terasol and used either his hands or hand to kill her he then removed her
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body and and disposed of it authorities using the term burglary well this could be interesting you know burglary meaning
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entering by unlawful force or without permission in order to commit another crime right so this possibly means that
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they have some kind of knowledge that he broke into the home and intended to do something to harm terara or it's just
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the simple Act of stealing from the home now a tip from someone who had been told
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about the murder was what led the police to Ryan Duke Ryan Duke was arrested in 2010 in osilla for a DUI and was
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arrested in another County for another DUI at some point it is unknown whether he was fingerprinted at that time time
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when Ryan was released on bond his mother told officers that she would prefer that Ryan remain in jail and then
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he was sent back initially but then released for health reasons so other than these two DUI arrests Ryan has no
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other criminal record Ryan is in pretty bad Health due to years of substance abuse yeah he he has a lot of problems
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with uh drugs and alcohol and he's actually he was on kidney dialysis is for about 4 months he has nerve damage
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in his feet from collapsed veins in his legs and several of his organs have come
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close to failing alog together now around the time of Ryan's arrest authorities conducted major searches of
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a Fitzgerald peon Farm owned by the Hudson family this is a prominent family in the area of which one member of the
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family was at one point a Georgia state senator now 41 agents searched the premises this included a body recovery
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team and they also brought in machines for digging it's uncertain if they were able to locate anything at that
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time this is one thing that you and I kind of and I hate to say that we kind of have laughed about this behind the
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scenes but you know when these microphones are not on we are we just laugh about everything well we are
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talking about these cases and we don't mean to poke fun at it or be light about it but the truth is okay so early on
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there were reports out there that they had found something you know they bring in this body recovery team it's believed
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they were looking for tera's remains their reports coming out that they had found something right and then those
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reports just kind of diminish and disappear and then you never hear talk about it again and so we're kind of left
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here sitting on our hands me and the captain going did they find something did they not find anything what are we
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going to learn when this thing hopefully goes to trial I'm sitting on my thumb so
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people that knew Ryan they were surprised by these allegations being leveled against him everyone said it was
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totally out of out of character for him to break in to someone's home to murder somebody yeah to murder someone his
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mother said that that Ryan had a job at the time of her disappearance of tera's disappearance and she belied this points
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to the fact that he wouldn't need to burglarize homes right now Ryan was described by people who knew him around
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the time of teror death or disappearance as not the criminal mastermind type people were shocked that he would be
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able to pull off this crime and hide it for 12 years if if in fact that is what happened and I bring that up because you
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know where we think we're getting some clarification as to what happened to terara in my opinion I think the the
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waters just get a little murkier here because in March just weeks after the arrest of Ryan Duke police announced a
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second arrest in Terrorist case the Ben Hill County Sheriff's Department arrested a guy by the name of Bo dukes
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and in every report out there you will read or hear that they are quick to point out that these two are not related
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their last names are so similar right Ryan Duke and Bo Dukes you have to point out that are of no relation they charged
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this man with concealing a death hindering the apprehension of a criminal and tampering with evidence specifically
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authorities stated that Bo Dukes who was a school friend of Ryan's and roommate they had shared a place together during
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the around the time that Tera had disappeared they even appeared side by side in the Irwin County High School
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yearbook due to the similarities of their last names right so this is what their belief is is that
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at the time of her disappearance that Bo Dukes was a roommate of Ryan's after they graduated
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and that he helped Ryan hide and Destroy Tara's body the arrest warrant for Bood
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Dukes alleged that Tara's body was hidden sometime between October 23rd and October 28th 205 on a peacon farm owned
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by Bo dukes's Uncle Randy Hudson of the Hudson family who was cooperating in the
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searches it further alleged that Bo had aided an embedded Ryan in concealing Tara's death and destroying her physical
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body Bo Dukes was released on bond now remember Tara's sister Anita she knew the Duke's family and had even stayed
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with some of the family members when she visited osilla during the investigation
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into Tera so that It's a Small World in illa and it's a you know just one degree
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of separation between some of these people yeah now what do we know about Bood dukes and what possibly happened in
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2005 okay so Bo Dukes he broke up with his girlfriend his former girlfriend now uh Brooke Sheridan this would have been
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in January of 2017 well in February Brooke decided to tell authorities the story Bo had told her and she reached
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out to law enforcement this was the tip that led to these arrests the story was this that Bo as said they were roommates
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with he was roommates with Ryan in 2005 had been told by Ryan that he Ryan had killed Tara and dumped her body in
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the peacon Orchard and that he had used Bose's truck to do this Ryan and Bo then
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went to the peon Orchard and burned Tara's body Bo told Brooke that he had never he never knew the motivating
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factor behind Ryan killing Tara and he in fact stated quote only God and Ryan know why he did this Brook Sheridan told
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an interview that Ryan had used a credit card to access the door of tera's house
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gaining entry into the home and that tera's keys and purse were thrown into a dumpster so just a side note for
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everybody put dead bolts on your doors please so people can't Jimmy your locks and get inside now bod dukes and his
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then wife were arrested this is for an incident that took place in 2013 uh to give you a little background
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on Bo Dukes this was for stealing more than $150,000 of property from the US Army
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those are that's yeah is that a group you want to steal from Captain yeah no so the the answer would be no right
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Dukes I guess was a procurement officer at the time for the Army in which he ordered about
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$150,000 worth of electronic and mechanical equipment this on the Army's dime and he and his wife then fenced
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this equipment B served over two years in federal prison for this he was released in 2015 he also had to pay
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restitution perform community service and go weekly to AA meetings for about 12 months so that is his criminal record
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now Bo has been described by people who knew both him and Ryan from the uh from the high school that they went to
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together as the one that would be considered to be more unstable more volatile right uh he had apparently told
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the story of what had happened to terara to some of his army buddies as well as telling Brooke apparently he told his
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ex-wife as well which he would later claim she used that information to blackmail him I'm a little uncertain as
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to what she what the gain was for her in the whole blackmailing process he makes
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it sound like it was just so he wouldn't divorce her yeah I mean that's what his
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girlfriend his now girlfriend Brooke is claiming is that any time he would threaten to leave she would threaten to
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go to authorities with this confession so what law enforcement would State and what we would learn in last year was
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that Bo was indicted in June of 2017 by a Ben Hill County grand jury the indictment states that he did unlawfully
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and knowingly destroy physical evidence by burning the body of Tara Fay grinstead a human being at a location
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off of Bowen mill Highway in Fitzgerald Georgia the indictment also charges that
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he tampered with evidence and concealed a death in August of 2017 Bo was indicted by a Willcox County grand jury
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for two counts of making false statements one count of hindering the apprehension of a criminal and one count
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of concealing the death of another increasingly this was this Willcox County indictment states that in June of
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2016 Dukes covered up the fact that Ryan Duke had confessed to him that he had killed Tara by denying to a g bi agent
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investigating the case that he had spoken with another man about burning tera's body well this is significant
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because this is the first that we have heard that either Bo or Ryan had been interviewed by law enforcement in
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connection with terror's disappearance prior to that of the time in 2017 when the arrests were made right the
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indictment specifically says that do that that do that Bo was interviewed a dear by the gbi in 2016 what we don't
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know is this you know what was learned during the course of these interviews because these took place some nine
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months before any arrests were made in this case and gbi has said multiple times that Ryan Duke was not quote on
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their radar yeah so what does this sounds a little fishy well but what makes me question is does that mean that
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b was on their radar yeah so in March of 2018 the Georgia Supreme Court declared
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that the gag order on the Terra grin grinstead case was overly Broad and they vacated it meaning that they threw it
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out this means that much more information should be coming out at some point regarding this case all right so
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we'll just wait till then well it likely I I bet you it's going to be a trial situation right um because in May of 20
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2018 Ryan Duke's attorney asked for more time for Discovery in this case citing the massive case File so Ryan is
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expected to go to trial in the summer of 2019 when he does well everybody watching this case should finally get
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some answers to all the questions that we have and we'll go through I listed out some of my questions and we can get
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into that in just a minute here but what I want to bring up here Captain is you know do we have a situation where
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you know I've heard Bo Dukes state that both these guys are going to have to go to trial at some point right and I've
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heard Bo Dukes he seems to think that his trial will be after that of Ryan and I don't know that that's going
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to be true um depending on what shakes loose between now and when this thing gets to trial he's also stated that
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being B that he possibly could get some kind of immunity when it comes to some of these
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charges I I hope not I question that and I also question you know we have seen that we have Ryan Duke who has plad not
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guilty and asking for additional time and what you and I have both spoke about multiple times is that we wonder do we
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have a situation where there's some finger pointing going on and it's just not in the way of Bo Duke stating Ryan
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Duke did this by himself and I helped him after the fact right it possibly could be Ryan saying Bo is responsible
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2023 all right we're back cheers all right Captain I want to get into my list of questions I know you have your own
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question questions as well but if you don't mind we'll go through my list first and it might check them off yours
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at the same time uh so my first question would be what actually happened on the night of October 22nd 2005 meaning did
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Ryan Duke actually intend to just break into the home and steal some things from
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Tara's home that he that was money the whole purpose of his him being there that night or did something more
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nefarious happen like was Ryan stalking Tara or did he break into her home to rape or kill her um there was a rumor
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that I and and I want to be clear this is just a straightup rumor I don't even have a source to sight on this one but
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there was r one rumor that I had read that there was some thought that maybe Ryan was going to the home tera's home
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at night and possibly watching her sleep I guess that meaning peeping you know like a Peeping Tom creepo leading me to
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my next question Captain was it Ryan in the black we referenced a black truck that we know was seen by at least two
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people now the first question I have is is it in fact the same black truck seen by both of these people but furthermore
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was it Ryan in the black truck outside of tera's home or was it Bo or was it neither or could possibly both right you
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know because basically Bo's story is that at their party in Ryan took B's truck so that would Place Bo's truck at
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her house at some point uh but now if you believe him then yeah Ryan drove the truck over there blah blah blah but if
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you don't believe him there's that possibility like you just said could both of them went over there I don't
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know how true this is because I personally um based off of his previous actions this is Bo Dukes right and my
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gut feeling is I don't know how truthful and honest of a person Bo Dukes is no he's a real piece of [ __ ] but there is a
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conversation that he has where he's directly asked if if that was his black truck that was spotted that night and to
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which his answer is I did not own a black truck at that time I owned a white truck but in his confession he's saying
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that you know Ryan used his truck I you I think a lot of people believe that his
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confession is partly true and then the other stuff he's kind of distancing himself from it
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so he's basically saying hey guys yeah I know it took me 11 years to confess but
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here it is and here's the God's honest truth and I'm on your side I think that's how he's trying to play his cards
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right now well and to be clear to the people out there listening that have never heard of this case his bod duk's
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confession if in fact it's true does not have to include this black truck that black truck may have nothing to do with
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the crime his confession can still be 100% truthful and that black truck never even enters the picture as far as what
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happened to tera's concerned and furthermore the the the oh furthermore the fire that took place on Snapdragon
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Road at that house in SUV would then have presumably have nothing to do with terra's disappearance as well just be
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some kind of coincidence right but we also have three suspects that have been um dragged through the mud and and
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people have talked bad about and they've had to alter their lives for 11 years so
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there's a lot of things that uh people thought for years had to do with her disappearance and her and her murder
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that have nothing to do with it the next question would be whose DNA is that on the glove that was found in her front
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yard also how involved is Bood Dukes did he just help dispose of the body as he claims or is it
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possible that the two of them worked together to attack and kill terara it's what it seems like is going on right now
00:28:11
Captain is that police clearly believe that Ryan is the main culprit right and I can say this because he's the one
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that's sitting in jail while Bo is not right so will B testify or be forced to testify against Ryan at
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trial here's a new question and I say new because this is a recent a recent uh specul speculation on this case right
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did Ryan Duke confess at some point after his arrest did he confess to having some involvement or did he
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confess to similar things that bodk states that he did yeah we don't know that yet we we we have no clue and a lot
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of people will go wait a second he plad not guilty that doesn't mean that he didn't confess or confess to some
00:29:02
involvement right and later pled not guilty because keep in mind when he pleads not guilty he's pleading to those
00:29:09
specific charges as presented to him at that arraignment and then the other question
00:29:15
the what is that they say $64,000 Question something that is uh was Tara's remains or any portion of her remains
00:29:26
found on that peacon Farm yeah I mean that's uh that's another one I can't find anywhere I mean you can if you look
00:29:33
on YouTube um Tera grinstead found the title of the video will be that they found a body but when you watch the
00:29:40
video it's like it doesn't tell you if they found anything or not gotcha so how do we want to go about talk addressing
00:29:48
these questions well and that's just one set of questions you came out with I mean I probably got another 10 to 15 M I
00:29:55
think the more that you dive into this stuff there's tons of speculation happening right now and depending on
00:30:01
what you watch or what you read uh and anybody that's interested in this case um I think you should take the time to
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listen to up and vanish uh done by Payne Lindsay we we've been able to hang out with him uh multiple times at crime con
00:30:17
con uh he seems like a good guy um and I think what a weird situation for him to
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dive into a Cold Case start diving into the three major suspects kind of start throwing them
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under the bus a little bit and then all of a sudden this bombshell happens and you're kind of in the middle of all this
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uh and I do believe I mean that's one of the reasons why we cover cases that you
00:30:43
want to get the community talking about it so to to know that a podcast possibly
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had some involvement in getting people to talk about this and then ultimately bringing down this bombshell of a
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confession uh it's very interesting well that's the whole purpose in covering a lot of these
00:31:02
cases and and the purpose for us you know is to especially with the the quote unquote cold cases and some cases from
00:31:10
these smaller towns these little nooks and crannies of our beautiful country that we may not hear about on a national
00:31:19
level and I know that Tera case was heard on a national level but once it started to once the leads started to
00:31:28
diminish right it went away and the national attention and even Statewide attention from the media is the same as
00:31:38
that of detectives working on these cases at some point a new case File falls on your desk and you you get
00:31:47
rushed along to the next case right and it's nice that people bring up these old
00:31:52
cases and it's wonderful when when it leads to results well that's because if you can bring more attention to it then
00:32:00
that's the public pushing the issue onto the law enforcement to say hey you need
00:32:06
to do something you need to relook at this and sometimes they'll put extra men on these cases and but in this case I
00:32:13
think um I don't want to say lucky but I guess I on some level we're lucky that he told
00:32:20
somebody u meaning his girlfriend Brooke and he's told other people he's told multiple people now he might not have
00:32:28
said tera's name to everybody that I'm talking about Bo with Bo confessing to his girlfriend Brooke we're lucky that
00:32:38
out of all the people he confessed to she was the only one to contact law enforcement and I think you know and
00:32:44
then obviously the the issue then becomes you know whether they're in a relationship
00:32:51
or not uh people are going to throw her under the bus for coming forward yeah which is I think a strange
00:32:58
thing to do she at the end of the day whether you like the way that it went down or how it took place at the end of
00:33:05
the day she came forward and she provided information to law enforcement that they perceivably did not have right
00:33:13
and now there's a lot of debate about that I mean there's a lot of debate on why there was a gag order there's a lot
00:33:19
of speculation that um both Ryan and Bo were on their Radars way back in 2005 so
00:33:27
um you know are the is law enforcement trying to cover their ass on something on this case I'm I'm not really for sure
00:33:34
did you have you put thought to what you think actually went down on the night of
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October 22nd 2005 and if so do you you want to share your thoughts and opinions with us
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uh I think five days ago I I had a better idea of what I thought happened mhm and then The more I've you know this
00:33:57
case just kind of every turn was a new video or a new uh podcast or a new Theory you know what I mean there was or
00:34:06
a new interview to listen to and that really just kind of muddied the water as far as you know what I think um I I
00:34:14
agree with pay Lindsay on the idea that this Ryan Ryan Dukes right Ryan Duke sorry I've been
00:34:23
screwing it up all week and so might as well screw it up on the show he's it I don't know if he is um looks
00:34:35
the way he does and Carries him s self the way he does because of the drug and alcohol or if it's what pain Lindsay
00:34:42
said and you heard it in the trailer it feels like he's carrying the weight of the world on his shoulders and to me
00:34:51
that doesn't necessarily mean that he did it solely by himself but um but I I don't know I mean I I think
00:35:02
the more cuz his demeanor to me I'm not saying innocent at all it it seems humble and it seems
00:35:14
remorseful that's that's the vibe I get when I look at him and when I see somebody like b i I see more of a
00:35:22
confident almost cocky individual and and so the way the story kind of the way the confession happens it seems almost
00:35:34
like they should switch roles in the story cuz does that make any sense well I think you're you're just picking up
00:35:42
what a lot of other people are putting out there that that Bo Dukes seems to be this diabolical evil guy and that that
00:35:51
Ryan Duke was just along for the ride and he's somehow even though he played a part hard in
00:35:57
this on some level and then this is going to be terrible to say but it might be some kind of victim of bod Dukes as
00:36:05
well well yeah well let's not call him a victim because at the end of the day either one of these guys you know one of
00:36:12
them or either both of them killed this poor lady and then but but but both of them based off of Bose's confession both
00:36:24
of them burned her body both both of them uh covered this up but what do you think what do you think happened that
00:36:33
night or over the course of the the few days after her disappearance well I think they're both pieces of [ __ ] no
00:36:40
sorry I just wanted to put that out there I I don't know that that's it's very this case is very confusing to me
00:36:49
right now and I wish I had a better answer but what I'm afraid of and what my gut keeps telling me is um right when
00:36:55
Ryan you know pled not guilty that you know we don't know if her remains were found
00:37:03
so that becomes a a big obstacle for the prosecution but now we have this guy that has a confession that's 11 years
00:37:10
old and his story one is not that straight and the person he told it to her story is not that straight either
00:37:18
now I think Bo is just probably a liar and that's why his story is not straight his girlfriend's story is not straight
00:37:25
because I I think she's an difficult position I don't think I think she showed some moral compass by coming
00:37:32
forward and can you know at least giving Bose's confession but what I'm afraid of is
00:37:39
that it's going to be a he said he said back and forth pointing the blame and that they eliminate each other and that
00:37:47
they're not able to determine um with any actual evidence who did what and if that happens it'd be
00:37:58
sad to see these two guys walk away from this and not and no justice being served well I certainly share some some
00:38:08
of those feelings captain and what I mean by that is there are a lot of things that I'm afraid that will
00:38:14
possibly happen in this case and what I mean by that is my first thought is Ryan
00:38:20
Duke I think Ryan Duke is the key to actually figuring out what really happened that night and what really
00:38:27
happened to Tera and what I'm afraid of is I see this guy that is in I mean you want to talk about just visually
00:38:35
somebody that look I don't need to be a doctor to visually go that guy is not healthy you don't need to be a doctor
00:38:41
but good then you are one what I that my fear is that if something doesn't change
00:38:48
in his life and maybe it will because he's Behind Bars and he can't get access to drugs and alcohol right my my fear is
00:38:57
that he does not live long enough to see this thing through to trial and if that
00:39:03
happens my biggest fear is that one they never have anything on Bo Dukes right and that we again same outcome that you
00:39:10
just presented that there would be no justice that nobody is held accountable for what happened to terara well but
00:39:16
that's the speculation on why the gbi then hit him charges with purgy saying that you know his yeah he confessed but
00:39:23
we now know that he lied about certain things and that by adding those charges that even if they don't get him on
00:39:30
anything else they can get him on that now that we discussed our fears you know me I I do like to throw out there what I
00:39:37
think happened and I think it personally I think there's one of two things that happened in this I think either a it
00:39:43
went down exactly how Bo Dukes says that it went down or B that the two of them were involved in this together and I
00:39:53
know there's a lot of speculation out there about did the police know something did they cover it up did they
00:39:59
not get involved or did they know the names of Bo dukes and Ryan Duke ahead of time personally I think and I have
00:40:07
nothing to base this off of this is pure speculation so if you want to shut me off shut me off but this is going to be
00:40:13
some good this going to be some good stuff I I I think that there is it's very likely that the police that gbi
00:40:22
searched the peon farm at some point well before they even had Ryan duke or Bood Dukes on their radar I think that
00:40:30
we have information that came out that if true Bo Dukes told several people about what what happened according to
00:40:38
him and that even Ryan Duke told a person or two of what happened and probably this would be according to Ryan
00:40:45
right so what I mean by this is could the peacon farm have been on their radar but not these two individuals I think
00:40:52
that's very likely I think somebody at some point could have contacted G CBI or the sheriff's department said look I
00:40:59
keep hearing this rumor time and time again that she's in the peacon farm and they could have gone there looking for
00:41:07
her without any information about these two individuals now I did the exact same
00:41:13
thing that what a lot of people did in the public after these two arrests were made where we see Ryan Duke and then we
00:41:22
have Bo Dukes come out and then we hear the stories the speculation and a the majority of the people said this bod du
00:41:30
seems like a really bad guy and I don't trust him and I think that he's done more than what he's willing to tell us
00:41:38
and Ryan Duke seems like some kind of weak man to me right like the follower he's the follower and so therefore there
00:41:46
now there's this whole movement to crucify bod Dukes I did the same thing that's where my gut took me that's
00:41:55
immediately as like this B duk's guy he's I I got it in for him the problem with this is stinky the problem with
00:42:02
this is the evidence that has been made public that we've been told that's been released through newspaper articles and
00:42:11
through the media if in fact Bo Dukes is telling the truth the evidence backs that up with the exception of the car
00:42:21
seat being moved and what I mean by that is the general here's the General broad
00:42:27
confession as I know it and I know that there you and I have had this debate that because there seem to be several
00:42:34
ideas of what this confession is but his confession as I know it to be is that he
00:42:42
they had friends over that night they were living together and they lived with Ryan's
00:42:47
brother they had friends over that night they're drinking they're partying apparently Ryan's brother was not home
00:42:53
that night Ryan at some point leaves taking Bo dukes's truck the next morning after Bo Dukes goes to bed he wakes up
00:43:02
he's being told by Ryan guess what I went to Tara's house last night I abducted her well he says he's
00:43:10
burglarizing the home M she wakes up it startles him and he he reacts by killing
00:43:15
her he then would he killed her in the bedroom and he used the sheets to wrap her up threw her in Bose's truck and
00:43:25
then disposed of the body in the peacon farm mhm the reason why I mean evidence points to that is evidence certainly
00:43:33
points to that there was some kind of struggle inside the bedroom and remember the family's initial theory that she was
00:43:41
getting ready for bed and somebody knocked on the door and she had answered the door and then she's abducted right
00:43:47
there's no sign of a struggle anywhere else in that home to our knowledge other than that bedroom so that to me does
00:43:54
back up what Bo is was saying that that Ryan jimmied the lock and got into the home and she does not wake up until the
00:44:04
attack starts happening right also if he wrapped her up in sheets to remove the body that's
00:44:11
interesting too because then we have Anita later saying that it appears that somebody attempted to make the bed and
00:44:17
it didn't look to be made in the fashion that her sister would have made the bed
00:44:22
right you know cuz you wonder well why would somebody bother to take the time to make the bed it kind of backs up B's
00:44:28
story a little bit the thing that's the thing that's tricky here for me though Captain is I
00:44:34
keep going back to that the driver seat of tera's car MH and I think that the private investigator hired by the family
00:44:42
when he came out and said right away look this is a giant red flag he's absolutely right this guy's great it's a
00:44:49
giant red flag it means something can we figure out what it it's it's a car seat
00:44:55
can we figure out what it means it could in fact mean nothing but if that car was in its traditional spot
00:45:02
and its traditional positioning at 11:00 that night and then it's found in a different position on
00:45:10
Sunday that tells me one thing here here here's where I think that some of the the Loosey Goosey evidence that we we
00:45:17
would be talking about M had her deceased body have been in her vehicle I think they would have found some
00:45:25
evidence to point towards that what I mean by this is there again that backs up B's statement that her
00:45:33
body was in his truck what I'm getting at though is with this vehicle is it if that vehicle was moved for any purpose
00:45:41
and her body was not transported in that vehicle that points to me that there were two people there that night that
00:45:46
went to her home and when she left that home whoever took her there was the two people left together meaning one took
00:45:54
the vehicle that transported her body the other moved the car I think that what had happened and you and I talked
00:46:00
about this yesterday in the garage and I thought it was an interesting conversation that we had even though be
00:46:07
it brief was my general thought is this that the car was moved at some point after Tara came home that night and if
00:46:14
it was that means two people did it and I think the general thought was this let's get rid of her let's get rid of
00:46:21
the car maybe we put her in the car maybe we make it look like there was a car accident or maybe we take this car
00:46:26
out in the middle of nowhere and we set the whole thing a blaze with her in it right I think where when they got to
00:46:32
wherever they were going all of a sudden they got smart and they thought you know
00:46:37
what this car is now a problem we might be able to conceal her body right with with it with more ease than getting rid
00:46:46
of this car so now we've got to bring the car back and when they brought the car back they failed to put the car seat
00:46:54
back in its original position position I worry captain that Ryan Duke will not be
00:47:00
around or that he's done too much damage to himself in his brain where he doesn't
00:47:06
know the truth I think he's got a smooshy squishy brain from years of substance abuse and maybe he doesn't
00:47:12
even know what happened at this point but I I'm hoping I'm hoping and I pray that whatever did happen that we get the
00:47:20
truth and that the right Justice is brought forward for Tara and her family and uh so like I said I don't really
00:47:29
know and like I I I brought up my fear of what could happen my other fear is that there's
00:47:36
something more to do with this suicide note and these individuals that were on that note I don't actually believe
00:47:43
they're cleared so I'm not I'm not really for sure how you you got that and I know that um at least through the
00:47:50
podcast up and vanished they connected some dots between some photographs and this this um uh suicide note and I and I
00:48:00
I believe that these individuals uh they had fights with people they did a lot of bad stuff and
00:48:07
all this stuff kind of was covered up uh because they would cover for each other
00:48:13
and I I just wonder if there was something bigger that happened here where it wasn't just one
00:48:20
individual or two individuals if it was a a situation where it was yes maybe Ryan and Bo went to get her but that
00:48:29
this was a larger thing because you know this kid committed suicide and then says
00:48:34
here here's a list of people that will lead you to to everything I mean I I would and that's that's just my gut
00:48:44
feeling I think we're going to I think there's going to be a lot of stuff that comes out in this trial that we're not
00:48:49
ready to hear and I and I think it might have something to do with that suicide note cuz
00:48:56
he could have just committed suicide and left two names on it but he didn't he he
00:49:01
left a whole group of people until next week everybody be good be kind and don't
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