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crime [Music] [Music] 37-year-old Jessica Johnson was found dead in June of 2017 as we said yesterday Captain
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basically tied to a male box Post in a rural area this is in Mississippi now we started to talk about the photograph
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there is what you could call a famous online photograph regarding this case law enforcement has called this a
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suicide her friends and family say no way this has to be a murder MH you and I agree it's at least a mysterious death
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well look your your job is to Serve and Protect and when people of the community
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that are law-abiding taxpayers they say hey look we know the person we think this is suspicious at least investigate
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it yeah and yesterday we talked about what the photograph depicts and what can be seen in that photograph we also told
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you where you can find it to view it for yourself now looking at this photograph
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because this is essentially possibly the biggest piece of of information we have left in this
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case without you know we do have some eyewitness statements and things like that but this is a big piece of this
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case that has remained so your first your initial reaction when you see this Photograph what what jumps off the page
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to you is there anything in particular that that jumps off the page to you well I think the first that we talked about
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on the phone last week is that around her neck the shoelace that's around her neck also has hair caught in it yeah her
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her hair is in that in the shoelace you yeah and to me if somebody was going to it would be like a subconscious thing
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where maybe if you're going to put something around your neck especially a female that has to deal with a lot of
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hair that she's going to pull that hair through the shoe lace and so to me that it's kind of
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points me I lean towards the idea that that makes it seem like somebody put that around her neck and that she didn't
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put it around her neck herself the first thing that I think jumps off the page to
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me immediately is the positioning of her body um and as we stated this post this
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mailbox is about 38 in high so with the positioning of her body she's almost squatting sitting down she's sitting on
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her feet right and one thing we talked about was that if if if this was an attempted suicide or if this was a
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suicide one thing you have to keep in mind with the position of her body she could have just if she would have
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panicked at the last second she could have just stood uph and it would have stopped it would have stopped uh the the
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shoe strings from constricting around her her neck now we did talk about our clothes yesterday
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and saying that these are clothes that the family are like we don't think she wear these now she did pick up her
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friend so I would like to know from her friend was she wearing these clothes when she saw her or was there a change
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afterwards oh yeah 5:15 mhm and and I'll get to that later on I'll bring up that
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point again later on but again then you see this purse and you see that this charger
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is kind of out of the purse MH I had a friend my friend Morgan was looking at this picture and he was saying well
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maybe you know if it was a suicide and she's going well maybe these Sho strings or maybe this charger
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cord yeah maybe that's why it's out of the purse that's the other thing I don't know the length of that charger cord but
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if you were looking to pick an item to hang yourself with if that cord is long enough
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that's what you're going to pick over the Sho strings in my opinion and keep in mind I find it strange that the shoes
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are found very far away from her you know the police report is weird it reads weird about where the shoes were found
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it seems to indicate that they were either found up near the home or inside the house itself mhm and this is you
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know at least a 100 yards away and she's got the Sho strings there with her the other thing that jumps off the page to
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me is well okay not to cut you off and be rude but I'm going to pull a captain I would like to know what the condition
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of her socks are or her feet because that would show us something which we can't see in the the photograph if they
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if she took off the shoes you know if it went down like the friend Jesse said where she was making threats that she's
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going to kill herself and then she threw her shoes somewhere and and decided Well
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I'm going to start walking with the the shoelace we would have some evidence that of that on the bottom of her feet
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the other thing to keep in mind regarding Jessie's statements and others you know other people's
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statements it's beli she was last seen if we were to believe them she was last seen around 6:00 p.m. the night before
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she's found around 11 a.m. the next day right the death report states that they believe
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she was she died sometime in the early morning hours so if that report is correct and we've talked about in the
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past of questioning the the time of death and it's not so it's not such an an exact science all the time all of the
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time right it's not black and white uh where would she have been for we're talking about hours so even if you go to
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the earliest point right early in the that morning the earliest point would be 12:01 a.m. that's still a 6-hour
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difference right at the very earliest Point yeah I think that to me is another red flag we we know that the time of
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death would have like you said there was a smaller window so oh we haven't seen her since
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6:00 well so she was missing for how many hours before she decided to take her own life mhm like that just seems
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fishy to me that's a red flag we need to investigate the details of that night a
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little bit more and see if these guys are telling the truth cuz I I just don't believe so I don't think the last time
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she was saw by these guys was 6:00 and I'm with the the general public who have viewed this Photograph seem to
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believe that her purse looks more like it was placed there after um she you know was killed I would
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agree that it looks that way to me as well but then I have to keep in mind what we know regarding eyewitness
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statements we do know that the the second Male carrier that showed up when when the first Male carrier saw this
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panicked called a colleague the second male carrier shows up and did go through the purse because we know that he gave
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the driver's license to the responding police officers right and which is might be the reason why the the cord is
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sticking out right because those those cords aren't super that there's some stiffness to those cords so if you just
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kind of pull some stuff out and you bump it it could kind of be hanging up outside the purse by itself so that
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could be a reasoning for that well and also could very likely be the reason why the purse appears to have been placed
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there after she was killed because if if this person picked up if the mailman picked up the purse to retrieve the
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driver's license judging by this picture he would have placed it back down at some point right right yeah so that that
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could explain the cord being out that could also explain the positioning of the purse itself well I'm going to say
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something that I I know that there is a picture the picture that you're going to
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commonly find is Jessica's face is blurred out and that becomes an issue and I I'll explain why because if you
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look at this post the main post that's going vertical so there's three post one that goes vertical and then that one
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goes horizontal that holds the mailbox MH and so those come to a 90° angle you can see the shoelace has slipped down in
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between them right and it's probably stopped on a nail yeah so what's interesting is if you look at the way
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cuz I always thought the oh shoelace being tied one time it's not like they doubled it up for strength or
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anything it's there's they're too connected to make a big circle to make a long a long length of rope right but so
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what we do know is when I first looked at it it looked like well was there just a single strand that you know did did
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she tie the shoelace into some kind of a noose or is it just a big circle that she took and twisted around her neck and
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then put the other end you know up over this post well it's been it's been described as basically a figure eight
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okay with with one Loop going around the neck one Loop going the bigger Loop going around the the mailbox post right
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where and that you can't see the back side of where the other the shoelace would be coming out of the backside does
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that make sense um so I think there is some things that are kind of missing here but at first it it does look like
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somebody put her there or it's staged for some manner MH but the more I thought about it the more I think about
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just the uh mechanics of all of it it's very possible that she could have took her
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own life by this and maybe not even meaning to mhm now where the argument becomes with that theory is well if you
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weren't meaning to take your own life she's in a position like you said if she started to
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struggle boom she's all she has to do is stand up yeah but the argument I have here is
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what if this is just speculation but what if it was one of those things kind of like the pass out
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game mhm so you're not cutting off when you do the pass out game you're not cutting off your Airway you're you're
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basically cutting off the blood circulation to your brain so is it possible that she put herself in this
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position and then she passed out and then because of passing out and because of the weight that would have caused the
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strangulation it's possible but so here's the the big question that I have when I see this and I've you know I've
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blown this picture up as much as I can I've I've you know even got out the magnifying glass and and tried to really
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see as close up close and personal as possible but from what I can see here is okay so if you look closely at the
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picture of Jessica tied to the mailbox her head is actually tilted up and the lace around her neck is clearly visible
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it doesn't seem it seems weird to me that that you could possibly hang yourself at this
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angle and and furthermore it does not appear to be cutting the lace does not appear to be cutting into her throat or
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causing much constriction at all yeah but it's okay and what I mean here is there doesn't appear to be any kind
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of leature marks or indentations from the laces which no if you blow that up which surely would have
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dug into her throat if she'd been there for hours right but if she was there from like six to whenever they found her
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but I don't think she was there that long but it's definitely causing a dent into her neck
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right do you see that or okay in the very front there it does appear to be constricting right but for
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strangulation like the pounds of pressure that you need to strangle yourself is like I think under 20 lounds you can
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strangle yourself that's why I'm saying is is it possible that she passed out whether it's from cutting off
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circulation to her uh to her brain or or was it a pass out due to the drugs and then that caused an accidental
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strangulation right but I want to back you up to something you said just a second ago you said you don't believe
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she was there for hours is that right yeah I don't think so well if if that is the
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case if she wasn't there for hours then then this is a This Is Not What It Seems
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this is not a suicide why why is that because if if the cause of death is correct and she
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died in the early hours of that day and was not found until 11:00 a.m. that could be as long as 11
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hours right so what I mean by that is if if if if you don't believe that this body was there in this manner for for
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hours then it has to be something other than a suicide it it means that she died
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at some point and somebody put her here no what what I was trying to say is that
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we have people at this party or people that were hanging out saying we haven't seen her since 6:00 p.m. mhm and what
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I'm saying is I think that's probably bogus but let's say that's true then she's wandering around for however long
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but whenever if it is a suicide then she didn't decide to do this till closer to
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Daylight if that makes any sense okay and so I don't see why that would determine whether or not it was a
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suicide or not no I'm just going off of the statement that you said you don't believe she was there for hours that
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that that was just unclear to me um well maybe I should have said that I didn't think she was there for since 6:00 p.m.
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is what I'm saying well and I don't think anybody thinks she was there since I I think whatever happened to her and
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however she was placed there that was closer to the break of day right and again though if if but to
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me that doesn't determine whether it's a suicide or a murder or even an accidental death that somebody tried to
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cover up and make it look like a suicide mhm you know I mean it's it's very Poss
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you know it's very possible that she ODed on something you know I understand that they took a
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toxicology I understand that they took a toxicology report but they didn't investigate this as anything other than
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she took her own life but if she ODed then again it's not what it seems right yeah I agree yeah so
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I mean what what we're working with here is a few a few Troublesome ideas one that she was potentially last
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seen by these people at 600 p.m. mhm if the death if the death uh ruling was correct not so much in the suicide but
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the time of death was the early morning hours then we have it minimum a missing block of six hours yeah if not more a
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missing block of six hours and then the other thing too is you know if for for those of you out there listening look at
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this Photograph if you if you choose to and and the thing that I would question is do you believe she was there
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and in this position for hours and the reason why I keep going back to that is because that that is the only way that
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the that law enforcement's findings are correct is that she would have had to have been here in this position for
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hours right again which like you said it creates at least a minimum of a 6h hour
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gap mhm so if we have a 6our gap and she's found on the property it calls for an investigation yeah and that's not to
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say that she couldn't have been wandering around or doing who knows what mhm that's still a possibility but it
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seems odd that we have a six 6-hour window and you touched on something that's very interesting too because you
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have law enforcement with the finding of suicide the family and friends say no it
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was a murder and you bring up something that we talked about when we looked first looked into this case last week
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the potential of did she OD we know that the toxicology did show high levels of drugs in her system could something else
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have happened to her and then she is later placed here in this manner um to cover it up well yeah I guess to cover
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it up but that also seems weird to me too because well you do some weird [ __ ] when
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you're on drugs and I've never been on meth but I'm guessing they do some really really strange [ __ ] oh I'm I'm
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sure I'm sure but but it seems to me though that if someone if someone ODS accidentally ODS in your house or on
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your premises right a great way of covering it up is not to hang her from a from the mailbox post in front of your
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house mhm it almost seems like a million other things could have been done so that you don't end up in trouble for
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that somehow right but there's also a million other ways to live your life that's better than smoking meth
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right yeah but so so the fact that it makes zero sense makes a lot of sense you see what I mean no like the fact
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that I I see your point but I I I fail to the position where she's sitting doesn't make any sense the the fact that
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you would try to take your life with a shoelace doesn't make any sense the fact that the hair is between you know is you
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know the hair is between the shoelace and the neck that doesn't make any sense to me the the hair doesn't bother me one
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bit that doesn't make any sense to me and again the clothes that the that the family said that she wouldn't wear so
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that doesn't make any sense then the shoes that they said she wouldn't wear those shoes so that doesn't make any
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sense mhm you know where where are you going with the fact well I'm just saying when when all these things don't make
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any sense sometimes it's like well somebody can say well it wouldn't make any sense to cover it up this way well
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maybe because it a lot of it doesn't make sense then it makes sense so does that make sense no I again I I'm I see
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your point I know where these are drug addicts they're morons you know there there's people
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that OD and then they take the the dead body and drop it off at a hospital this stuff happens you know or see that would
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make sense to me that would make sense to me dropping the body off of the hospital yeah but there's also people
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that OD and then they go bury the body yeah that would make more sense to me than this none of it makes any sense to
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me you know like if there was if somebody ODed call the cops call the paramedics right right we
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know that that makes the most sense to me right so the fact that this doesn't make any sense well none of the the
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other stuff makes sense to me either um and I'm not saying that that's what happened I'm just saying that that's a
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possibility but that also warrants an investigation right well yeah I me it would be it it this should have been
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ruled a suspicious death and therefore a suspicious death has to be investigated
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that's that's the rule there's no getting around that now what the photograph does not show is the arm the
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arm that Jessica's arm that we discussed that had these marks these bruises these
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scabby marks and abrasions on her arm right that the family saw when they were um at the coroner's office I believe and
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they photographed this arm in this hand and so let's talk about these scabby marks and the and the bruises and the
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print there's also a print on Jessica's arm now no one seems to know or have an idea where these bloody marks could have
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come from as as far as eyewitnesses go the marks don't concern me as much in the way that maybe this is just some
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kind of repercussion from doing the drugs right like you burnt yourself doing the drugs the bruising concerns me
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more and the print is very concerning to me MH yeah Linda Johnson says that she is absolutely 100% certain that these
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marks none of them were on Jessica when she left her house on Wednesday uh evening well what about her friend
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that's the that's the person that we should be wondering because if she went to pick up her friend Kate you would
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think that she would see these marks on the left hand at some point from her driving or if she wasn't driving then
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Jessica would have been in the passenger seat so the left hand would have been very visible to her and did she see any
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of these marks beforehand because it also makes me wonder too like with these bruising of
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the wrist was she like you said was she bound somewhere else or the other possibility is did they carry her
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somewhere mhm and are there bruises on the right hand that would match the left handed you know hey grab her arms grab
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her feet we'll take her out to the mailbox mhm well I believe that the bruising on her
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wrist the the there appears to be three bruises to me is what I see and I believe the bruises on her wrist must
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have happened before death and again it looks to me well wouldn't a proper autopsy prove that it was a postmortem
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wound or and that that's other problem yeah but I I think scientifically the the way bruising
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works it would have to happen before she died so this is a lot of people have questioned could it possibly be caused
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by some kind of restraints you know was she tied up was she or even just a strong hand around her
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wrist it doesn't to me it doesn't look like something she would have done to herself based on where it's located
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unless unless these bruises were left from her attempting to hit someone or hit something right and they were
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want to point out one more thing before we move too far away from the photograph
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itself and and what we can see or questions that are raised by what we can or cannot see in the
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photograph the the strap to the purse you know we mentioned the shoelaces being an odd choice for for
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anyone we we we talked about maybe the phone cord would be a more likely go-to for some type of
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strangulation be it suicide or murder but chances are that the cord wasn't long enough for that right but then
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that's where I go to the the the purse strap seems like seems like another option another thing to to point to the
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shoe laces is being an odd an odd choice but again we don't have the the the lengths of those items in front of us
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for comparison mhm so back to the scabby marks the on the hand we talked about the bruises a little bit uh the scabby
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marks Linda Johnson says she's 100% certain that these marks were not on Jessica when she left the house on
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Wednesday you brought up the friend Katie that she picked up from work this would have been at 5:15 so if we are to
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believe Jesse's story that she was last seen at 600 p.m. that's 45 minutes before 600
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p.m. um you brought up did Katie see these my guess is no I don't have a definitive statement from Katie in front
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of me to back that up these are pretty obvious apparent scabby marks though and I I and I know that's not the a great
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term to be calling these but yeah um the this is something that if you were talking to someone you were in a car
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ride with someone you're not going to miss these marks on the back of her hand nope and so I feel like had she in fact
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seen them we would have some some statement of that yes I saw those when she picked me up and we don't
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have that I think it's it's more likely that we don't have a statement from her regarding the specific item that it
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points more towards they weren't there on her person at that time yeah and if you look up meth Burns M
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there are similar type Burns now not all of them are going to look like that but
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well yeah cuz that is something to like I said to consider um but again those bruises are so strange because that
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doesn't have to go with meth with the using of meth or you know yeah and the more I look at this the bruising it
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doesn't look like it's a like a thumb Mark and then another thumb Mark initially that's what it looks like but
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the closer I'm looking at it it looks like like there's a like strap like there was a strap around her wrist I
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mean there's like even indents on her wrist where I could like draw this is where the strap would
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go then that's very strange mhm yeah uh regarding these these marks though according to Linda Johnson Jessica's
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mother the corner chocked it up to some kind of contact with a grally surface or
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um possible insect um that's possible but her arm also could be pushed up against that
00:34:37
post mhm and that post would have wood grain and it kind of resembles a little bit of a wood grain pattern well I think
00:34:45
you and I are talking about two different things here um I'm talking about the bright red scabby marks oh I
00:34:53
was talking about the indent yeah so let's go to the indent now because that's an interesting thing because
00:35:00
there are some people that have brought up that it looks to them this is a like an impression almost like tracks and I
00:35:08
don't mean uh injection marks or anything like that an impression on the arm that some have pointed out looks
00:35:15
like it could have been a bootprint of some kind mhm some people say that if they look close enough they can see an
00:35:22
outline of a boot or a shoe particularly on the left side of that prank mhm this could be I mean this could be
00:35:30
from someone stepping on her arm after death perhaps while tying her up or moving her mhm others though see what
00:35:39
what it could be from the it could be from the goddamn police stepping on her by accident when they move her because
00:35:45
they decided to park their police cruisers right like right on top of her basically the other thing that that some
00:35:51
people online say that they they believe is that possibly so if if you you were to believe it was a boot or shoe print
00:35:59
mhm now we're talking likely murder situation or they chose to cover up this drug
00:36:07
overdose in the weirdest manner possible yeah and I look I'm with you like the likelihood like it's so weird but I'm
00:36:16
just saying I'm not rolling it out because these guys just seem very fishy to me the what the other people say that
00:36:23
would Point more towards suicide is that what they believe they see the impression was made by the
00:36:29
mailbox post itself yeah as it was pressed against as her arm was pressed against the post that's what makes sense
00:36:38
to me yeah you know what's weird about that though that's when I I look at this photo of her hand and arm and then I go
00:36:46
back to the photograph of her at the mailbox because I'm trying to look for the angle and I know that we can't see
00:36:56
that arm in that hand because that that's the one that would be behind the post there so yeah it is up against her
00:37:04
arm is up against that post and her shoulder is as well but the wood grain is going straight up and it's not
00:37:14
impossible for the wood grain to have made those marks on her arm or that impression on her arm mhm I think it's
00:37:22
less likely cuz because of the positioning of them and the way the of them on that arm what I think that makes
00:37:30
that difficult to say definitively that it's not the wood grain is it appears to
00:37:37
me so she's technically behind the mailbox right so if you were in the street delivering the mail mhm you would
00:37:46
have the mailbox right directly in front of you the post behind the mailbox and then she's behind the post mhm it
00:37:54
appears to me and this is very common especially in on country roads is the the ground will go up you know at up at
00:38:04
an angle near the road once you get closer to the street especially at that mailbox and if you look at the picture
00:38:11
closely it appears to me that the front of the mailbox might be on Higher Ground than the back of the
00:38:19
post or where she is well her arm is yeah and so what I mean by that is I you know because if you say well her arm
00:38:28
would be straight down to her side to the left side of her and leaning up against the post and the wood grain
00:38:35
could not have caused that indentation because they're going the wrong direction what I say is her the
00:38:44
positioning of her legs in her right arm could be lower because of the ground is
00:38:49
elevated there and that her left hand and arm might be bent somewhat as they rest on the ground therefore the the
00:38:59
wood grain itself does not need to go straight up and down for it to be the wood grain the the other also you have
00:39:08
you have grass weed so and I think that's probably the more likely scenario that it's not just her arm pressed into
00:39:17
the wood grain it's it's debris and grass and weeds that are smashed between her arm and the post itself right and
00:39:27
like I don't think you which could go any direction right and I don't think you believe that she was you know tied
00:39:35
to this mailbox since 6:00 p.m. but but even if she's tied at 6:00 a.m. and they
00:39:42
find her at 11: well that's 5 hours mhm if I sit in the grass for 15 minutes I'm
00:39:49
going to have some indents right so five hours what's that going to do and wears
00:39:56
the weight her weight's leaning to that arm mhm so you're going to have a deeper
00:40:03
indent that's not going to go away once they transport her so that that makes sense to me right so let's get to some
00:40:12
witnesses and suspects all right so what about the people who were actually with
00:40:18
Jessica before she died we have Jesse Isaac's the homeowner and Garland's friend spoke to a local news channel on
00:40:29
camera but his face is obscured in this in this um uh footage he does say here that there were up to six people coming
00:40:40
up and down going to and from the house both Wednesday and Thursday others say there were more and we actually know of
00:40:49
three women who were there just to see Jessica so if he says only six people came and went from the house on those
00:40:58
you know through the course of that time the time in question that means only three of those were women that were
00:41:05
there to see him or to see Jessica so so that only leaves three other additional
00:41:11
people that seems like a small number to me almost that somebody's not being included that there were more than six
00:41:18
people going to and from that house mhm and there are people that say that they seem to have saw a lot of traffic
00:41:26
during those two days uh uh going to and from that house well and Jesse's either
00:41:32
lying or he's stupid or he's just so high on drugs that he doesn't know so it it that becomes a conflict of trying to
00:41:41
get to the truth because you don't know if he's lying or if he's just high or we
00:41:47
also don't know that if he was actually present for the entire time on Wednesday
00:41:52
and Thursday at the home right okay so the conflict that we have in the stories here is we have the homeowner Jesse who
00:42:02
says that only six people came to and from the house on Wednesday and Thursday the again the problem with that
00:42:12
is it three women came to see Jessica we have Jessica we have Jessica's boyfriend
00:42:19
Garland We have the rumor of him being with two girls so you know my public school math right there puts me at seven
00:42:28
people now let's talk about Friday morning because that's when she was actually found Jesse tells uh
00:42:37
wmctv quote and he's referring to Jessica justess she just appeared out of nowhere it feels like because I mean you
00:42:46
had people riding up and down the street all morning he's talking about you know
00:42:51
just passerbys people passing by on the road not to mention the night before one thing that's interesting here
00:42:59
though too Captain is at 600 p.m. in in June in Mississippi it's still daylight you know
00:43:07
and I know that neither of us believe she was there at the mailbox starting at 6 p.m. but that's the last time that she
00:43:14
was seen in fact that's what they're claiming yeah Sunset wasn't until 8 8:03 p.m. that day
00:43:23
um Jesse says uh Jesse seems to believe that Jessica's body may have been placed at the mailbox
00:43:32
shortly before it was found he says quote whatever happened to her it didn't happen here and then he goes on he
00:43:39
thinks there's something suspicious about Jessica's death says quote the way she was tied to that was kind of
00:43:48
unsettling you know what I mean this is what he told wmctv right so turn over the tapes so we
00:43:55
can see you know the the footage of the mailbox he goes on to add that kind of gave you the feeling that she didn't do
00:44:03
it herself or she didn't do it to herself MH and again that statement to me is enough of a red flag to go hey we need
00:44:14
to investigate this mhm you know I I understand that she was a drug user but she was also a mother and she's a person
00:44:22
and a lot of people get hooked on this stuff through through the dumbest reasons they hurt their hand at work and
00:44:29
now they're on pain pills and then the pain pills don't work anymore so then they switch to heroin or meth or
00:44:35
whatever so there's a lot of good people getting wrapped up in this [ __ ] and a
00:44:39
lot of that is the big [ __ ] pockets of pharmaceutical companies that are doing stuff that that shouldn't be done
00:44:47
and giving drugs to people that shouldn't be given these drugs to and but she's a mother and she's somebody in
00:44:55
your community and this is very very suspicious and they should have they should have investigated this to the
00:45:03
fullest well we also have uh Garland Hart okay Jessica's boyfriend and I know he's got to be the obvious suspect in
00:45:13
most people's minds and of course he is in mine as well the interesting thing about him is is is several things but
00:45:21
the first one is he does seem to have an alibi or at least someone claiming he has an
00:45:28
alibi there's a woman that he dated after Jessica's death okay and she says he was with me the night before Jessica
00:45:39
was found and the morning of that's a I wish we had more well I wish we had less of a vague statement
00:45:49
from her regarding his Alibi because the tricky thing here is Garland Hart we have the homeowner Jesse Isaac saying
00:45:58
Garland was at my house the night before we have Katie who took Jessica back to that house who says Garland was there
00:46:07
the night before right there's probably another two or three witnesses that you could track down that would say
00:46:15
that Garland was at that house on the property where Jessica was found the night before MH
00:46:24
so that makes you think well this woman might just be lying for Garland Hart but
00:46:30
the strange thing is he ends up getting assault charges because he he hit this woman he later gets assault charges oh
00:46:39
my God this guy's this guy is a piece of work and that's when you wonder well why
00:46:46
didn't this woman then change her story if she was lying for him right why doesn't she come out and say look I I
00:46:53
was protecting him I would lie or I had my nights wrong or misremembered anything because it seems like you have
00:47:03
more people that can put him there on that property the night before than put him elsewhere well but what's
00:47:09
interesting though is we have a bunch of people that seem to be doing really shitty drugs and how can you believe any
00:47:17
of them again okay uh we think her relationship was somewhat abusive and she's found hung by a mailbox I'm not
00:47:29
going to believe any of these junkies words I need to do some more research well you know what I'm going to go on
00:47:38
I'm with you 100% we need to do some more research this should have been investigated I'm completely with you on
00:47:43
that what I am going to go with is I'm actually going to go with some of these junkies
00:47:49
words and not all of them I'm going to pick and choose and if I cherry pick some of
00:47:56
their statements it goes furthermore to the fact that this should have been investigated a thorough investigation
00:48:05
and it should have been labeled a suspicious death because the homeowner who has almost as many reasons
00:48:14
to look guilty of something as the boyfriend mhm he even says on camera I think there's something suspicious about
00:48:23
her death I think there's something suspicious about the way she was found she wouldn't have done that to herself
00:48:29
right he I mean you could if you were going to make a list of suspects he would be suspect number two right he's
00:48:36
high up on the list and and even he even he is saying this is suspicious and one
00:48:41
of right but one of the things that we're missing that a lot of people are missing is okay if we take this drug
00:48:48
addict's uh word and he goes we haven't seen her since 6:00 p.m. well we need to
00:48:53
look at those phone records cuz did she call somebody and did she get uh did somebody pick her
00:48:59
up and did she go to another party did she go somewhere else for I mean let's just say that she left at 6:00 p.m. like
00:49:09
they said and and she didn't return the her body didn't return till 6:00 in the morning that that that's a
00:49:18
12h hour gap mhm where's she at and who's she with you know and like you said the the guy that owns the property
00:49:28
which he is he would be your number one suspect or number two two if you're going to make if you're going to make a
00:49:33
list he's number two he's number two and the number two suspect is saying that this looks fishy yeah this is suspicious
00:49:40
right this she it doesn't look like she would have done that to herself and then
00:49:44
let me add this in here where when we talk about the the witness statements Garland
00:49:50
Hart okay when he was walking into court on that domestic violence charge he gives firsthand information on camera he
00:50:02
says I loved Jessica anybody that knows me would know I could never do that to her anybody that's accused me of that
00:50:13
when they see that it had nothing to do with me as I've been cleared already I don't he he hasn't been cleared because
00:50:22
there's been no murder investigation so we can't believe that statement that he's been cleared well he's cleared he
00:50:28
did say everybody's cleared he did say this and this is backed up by fact he said I willingly went down there myself
00:50:34
meaning the police department because she was my best friend he goes on to say I don't expect
00:50:41
an apology because it would anger me the family the Johnson family have to have somebody to blame I understand that I'll
00:50:49
be that dude but I will never apologize for something I didn't do especially to somebody that I loved
00:50:56
but listen to this listen to this he also added but yes I do feel like something happened to her because I
00:51:04
don't think she would have done that to herself my God man yeah so list list of suspects the number two suspect if if
00:51:13
you hold your hold your [ __ ] horses for a second because the number one guy that you would consider to be the likely
00:51:20
killer number one and number two both of them are saying this is suspicious p and
00:51:25
and poop p and poop number one and number two are coming forward and saying this [ __ ] is
00:51:31
suspicious now what's what's weird though and what's fishy that that goes back to you know because when I first read
00:51:39
those comments that they stated I'm like well maybe they're not guilty of anything because they're call they're
00:51:46
they're calling into question why this wasn't investigated yeah but at the same time the homeowner Jesse Isaac's giving
00:51:53
those weird ever changing answers for why he cannot produce the surveillance footage right if he like you said if he
00:52:02
truly felt this something terrible happened to his friend or somebody that he knew that he was not guilty of why
00:52:08
does that answer change I'm not blaming him I'm not saying that he's guilty of something because he doesn't have camera
00:52:14
footage to show us what I'm saying is that he should have a definitive answer not four different answers for why he
00:52:22
can't produce that footage yeah but maybe PP and poo poo are actually Geniuses right and this is what I mean
00:52:30
by that they go criminal Geniuses they go well we killed her what are we going to do with her well let's let's hang her
00:52:39
up on the mailbox and make it look like a suicide why would we do that we're going to leave her on the property that
00:52:47
doesn't make any goddamn sense that's why it makes so much sense it'll baffles people's mind and then when they rule it
00:52:54
a suicide we're going to be the number one suspects if it's not a suicide and we're going to be the ones that come out
00:52:59
and say we think this is kind of fishy MH genius well and the the other I don't think that's what happened though no but
00:53:08
here's what I what I am willing to put my stamp on is that this was a suspicious death should have been
00:53:15
treated as such right from the get-go which would have opened up the investigation to all you know and opened
00:53:23
up people to questions that weren't asked opened up pieces of the investigation that would fill in the
00:53:29
gaps on that timeline that might produce some kind of camera footage that could have produced any number of pieces of
00:53:37
evidence to show us what actually did occur that night what actually did happen to this poor young woman yeah and
00:53:46
because it was not looked at that way because of what I'm going to flat out call look I I wasn't there okay
00:53:55
obviously I wasn't there so you're saying you're not a suspect no no no no what I'm saying is that I can't say
00:54:03
110% this is exactly the way it went down what I can say is from what we can view what we can find all the Articles
00:54:12
all the information statements by friends family statements by people that you might even consider a
00:54:20
suspect what I can say is that this appears to me that for no other better reason than a lack of
00:54:32
effort on the behalf of the police department yeah this was not investigated they did not do their jobs
00:54:41
they didn't do their jobs that day it was just total laziness complete laziness that led us
00:54:50
to not knowing what happened to this poor young woman and had they actually treated it for what it is a suspicious
00:55:00
death again that would have opened up investigation what that would have what they would have found shortly into that
00:55:07
investigation is that money is believed to have been missing from her person MH and I don't know who the best suspects
00:55:16
would be if if she were to have been killed by someone but at the top of my list would be well let's figure out
00:55:24
where that money went first or why she doesn't have that money with her and let's start there and see where the
00:55:31
trail leads us I'm going to do you one better yes I think follow the money but get the information on the cell phone
00:55:39
because we're going to find out real quickly if they're telling the truth that they didn't see her after 6:00 p.m.
00:55:46
mhm because if you show up to to a house and you're supposed to be hanging out with people and there's rumors that your
00:55:53
boyfriend is with some other women and she was like I'm going to get out of here who did she call she's hanging out
00:56:00
with Shady people she's doing drug deals she is she has connections who did she call and the guys that she were she was
00:56:10
hanging out with Peep and poo poo they're they're bags of turds but but they might not be guilty of of they
00:56:17
might not be murder Dr users and and so did the people that she contacted if she
00:56:24
did and she left that property are they even worse did she get herself into a worse situation and and this should have
00:56:32
been investigated and and sad it wasn't well and you you you have to wonder too is is statements by Garland and Jesse
00:56:42
pointing out that it's a they believe it to be suspicious but kind of just leaving it at that is that indications
00:56:50
that they maybe who they suspect they might be afraid of right without you know without throwing more because when
00:56:57
I see this picture what what it says to me it doesn't look like a suicide it doesn't look like doesn't feel that way
00:57:06
no and it doesn't look like an accidental death that was was staged what it looks like to me is that
00:57:12
something just like the homeowner said something happened elsewhere and then later she was placed there in this
00:57:19
manner as some kind of statement or threat to others this looks in screams to me like a Vlad the Impaler type
00:57:28
situation and again you're right the phone would have been their first angle to go with such a simple simplistic idea
00:57:37
check the phone see if you can trace her movements see who she was talking to and
00:57:42
here's another thing too if you could have really nailed that time of death if you could have closed the
00:57:48
window and shorten the length of time of the possible time of death if they could
00:57:54
prove that she died before 3:29 a.m. well then we got a murder here my friends because what that means at the
00:58:03
very least is that text that was sent to her son at 3:29 a.m. did not come from her MH did not come from her and that
00:58:11
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