00:00:00
when it comes to Quality sleep Ashley has you covered with top mattress brands at winning prices and with special
00:00:06
financing options available you can snooze now and pay later plus your mattress purchase helps give the gift of
00:00:13
better sleep to children in need and US Special Operations forces visit your local Ashley store or shop online today
00:00:22
and make every snooze count financing is subject to credit approval C store or ashley.com for d details dreaming of
00:00:31
overseas Adventures or connecting more deeply with family from afar Rosetta Stone Bridges the language Gap I've
00:00:38
tried others but Rosetta Stone's immersive lessons and voice feedback technology are gamechangers dive into 25
00:00:45
Languages by learning intuitively just like when you were a kid and here's the holiday Sparkle grab a lifetime
00:00:52
membership now and save 50% gift yourself the world head to rosettastone.com now and save 50%
00:01:08
[Music] % [Music] welcome to True Crime garage wherever you are whatever you are doing thanks
00:01:46
for listening I'm your host Nick and with me as always is a man that would like to remind you that beer does not
00:01:52
have a lot of vitamins so that's why you need to drink a lot of it he is the captain that's kind of funny cuz my
00:01:59
father father thinks that Guinness is a protein shake it's good to be seen and it's good to see you thanks for
00:02:06
listening thanks for telling a [Music] friend today my friends we are sipping on Rising Haze IPA from the master
00:02:19
Brewers over at Highland Brewing Company this beer is freshly unfiltered and Captain you know how much I love an
00:02:27
unfiltered beer this one is the perfect balance of great flavor and ABV of 7% which is just perfect that's why we are
00:02:35
giving Rising Haze five bottle caps Rising Haze how about some Rising praise for our friends first up cheers to
00:02:44
Tiffany over in Roy Utah and a big shout out to Clay in Rochester New York next up we go out to carlbad California with
00:02:53
a note that says thank you for being yourselves and also thank you for the amazing music that's a tip of the cat AP
00:02:59
to the old Captain there from our friend moth oh very kind words but uh like we always say there's always room to
00:03:07
improve we will always try to be better and a big shout out to Kyle R in Tulsa Oklahoma and this is going to take all
00:03:16
of my energy Captain cuz we don't do it very often but when we do it's powerful stuff I'm going to give out a double
00:03:23
nice jib that's a double nice jib to garage guys Cody hel and Dan Harmon in Valley Village California and I'm going
00:03:34
to give this one a shot even just to get a couple of smiles out there so here we
00:03:40
go cheers to Janette no problems there right cheers to Janette and skele ham Sweden we love you Sweden we love
00:03:52
whatever you want to call your cities we're fine with it we love you oh Sweden thank you to everybody who went to our
00:03:57
website and contributed to this week's beer fun we are are forever grateful to you thank you so much for supporting the
00:04:03
show and sharing the cases on social media it means so much and that is enough of the business all right
00:04:10
everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true [Music] [Applause]
00:04:19
[Music] [Applause] [Music] crime where we left off yesterday Captain we have two bodies that were found and the
00:04:36
detectives have now identified the victims as Brian King and Christina Benjamin detectives are going to have to
00:04:45
Canvas the area because now we have our third crime scene to investigate we already searched and conducted
00:04:52
investigations where both bodies were found and now we have the possible location of where the killer may have
00:04:59
picked Pi up the kids at their home asking friends and neighbors if anyone knew anything or saw anything is going
00:05:08
to be the top priority on their list and they had a person or two say that the kids were going to meet up with a kid
00:05:16
named Jason but no one knew Jason's last name so you can see we are piecing this
00:05:23
thing together pretty good here all right this is a difficult case but it's going to get worse so here's a little
00:05:32
warning moving forward we have to discuss a topic that nobody likes nobody likes it at all we have some cruelty to
00:05:41
animals to discuss detectives are going to get a very strange lead this is one of the strangest leads I've ever heard
00:05:48
of and this comes from a police report police responded to a strange call now this was after Brian and Christina went
00:05:57
missing but before their bodies were found this takes place in the town of inis Texas which is just about a
00:06:07
10-minute Drive south of Garrett where our two victims live police were called to the McDonald's restaurant and
00:06:16
longtime listeners of this show Micky Deeds yeah long time listeners of this show know that nothing seems nothing
00:06:23
good seems to happen at the McDonald's restaurant on the show this is at the McDonald's the old Mickey D Captain said
00:06:30
in Enis they're called because someone was there killing an animal oh God by the time the police arrived the man who
00:06:38
was doing something to an animal behind the McDonald's was gone the man killed a
00:06:46
calf and was further mutilating the animal a calf not a cat correct the man ran from the scene but at the scene the
00:06:58
police found a a 1982 tan Subaru and on the ground near the vehicle they found a bracelet with the
00:07:06
name Jason engraved on it all right so we have a tan vehicle we're looking for possibly somebody
00:07:14
named Jason and in this police report we have a bracelet found with the name Jason on it a tan vehicle abandoned
00:07:22
behind the McDonald's where a man was reported to have been killing an animal can you imagine being at work that day
00:07:30
and going I think that guy is doing something to that animal we need to call the
00:07:36
cops yeah I don't know this area very well it it seems like a a strange location for something like this to be
00:07:46
going on right doesn't this seem like a little out in the open for such a a weird and bizarre activity my mind
00:07:56
instantly went to picturing you know those like zombie movies where oh God where like the zombies have to like
00:08:04
catch a deer for food but they catch it almost like an animal would that's that's what it what I picture that's
00:08:13
strange because yeah I I had a very similar thought when when I first read about
00:08:19
this so this guy he is known to police they Trac the vehicle back to a one Jason Eric Massie and again police
00:08:31
know this guy he had a history a criminal record of what well Jason Massie was actually pretty much fresh
00:08:41
out of the clink he was sentenced to serve 120 days in jail this is due to an incident in
00:08:48
early 1993 the same year Jason was pulled over and he was driving drunk and in the car police found marijuana and a
00:08:59
a cat with a noose tied around its neck dead dead cat there's different reports okay and I I don't know which
00:09:10
one's better well I I guess the live one cuz the cops could save the cap yeah but
00:09:16
in all honesty Captain I didn't have the strength to further down that to go further down that road I thought
00:09:23
yesterday's episode was bad but you just one uped it didn't you you just had to go and uh that's not what I'm going for
00:09:31
here I am going for a case study believe it or not but there there's going to be
00:09:35
some bumps along the way obviously for all hate mail send it to Nick true Crim garage.com well Jason had a bunch of
00:09:44
sharp instruments in the vehicle as well so if the cat was alive don't use your imagination CU you don't really have to
00:09:52
some Reports say that these were these were tools sharp tools and other Reports say that they were weapons
00:09:59
so he was picked up and locked up for these you know it's a several charges actually and Jason's bizarre violent
00:10:08
history goes back even further a one-time friend of Jason's this was a female she told police that Jason was
00:10:18
stalking her at some point when she avoided him someone killed the family's dog and smeared the blood of the animal
00:10:27
all over the girl's vehicle in their driveway the girl in the family really firmly believed that it was in fact
00:10:36
Jason that did this but unfortunately law enforcement never had any proof of that and so Jason okay let me unack and
00:10:44
really nobody was ever arrested for that horrific act I think I understand what you're saying but I might have blacked
00:10:50
out for a second so he's stalking this girl she believes he's stalking allegedly
00:10:59
and then their dog the the family dog ends up dead mhm and they believe the blood from the dog was smeared on her
00:11:09
vehicle Jesus in retaliation for who knows what you know a lot of times when these for probably not saying hi to them
00:11:16
in class or for nothing at all because these we do know that these stalkers they they they come up with their own
00:11:22
thoughts their own ideas their own fantasies obsessions sometimes the relationship there is no relationship
00:11:28
and there stuff going on that is not going on that they perceive something that only they could right so who knows
00:11:35
what's going on through the mind of this person if in fact the person that committed those acts was Jason I think
00:11:42
if if he is the same guy that was doing a similar thing behind the McDonald's then it looks very likely to me that
00:11:51
that he's guilty of this as well well right we already have him pulled over with this cat situation so I think it's
00:11:59
not that big of a leap right so the the thing now here Captain is police need to
00:12:06
find and locate Jason Massie and bring him in for questioning because even though he was locked up in early
00:12:13
1993 he was out in time to have possibly been involved in the murders and again we know based off of eyewitness or or
00:12:23
witness reports that the kids were believed to have met up with somebody named Jason that night
00:12:29
that they went missing right so also the car yeah I mean there there's we're we're starting to get a nice trail of
00:12:36
evidence all leading to the same terrible individual now while all of this is going on police have already picked up
00:12:44
two guys we can Venture into this a little more if you wish later but I'll just go
00:12:50
ahead and throw this out there some of the reports say that these men were arrested in relation to the
00:12:57
murders I really question the word arrested in those reports and we can get like I said we
00:13:07
can get into that much more later but that's where the whole phrase of yesterday's show there were more than
00:13:14
one suspect in this case because there are reports of other people being arrested right these guys were
00:13:21
questioned by police because police knew that Christina and Brian knew these individuals and appears maybe even quite
00:13:30
well in fact some newspapers say that one of these guys was Christina's boyfriend the discrepancy in
00:13:38
age well I guess discrepancy is not the best word the difference in age between these two guys and Christina makes me
00:13:47
doubt the word boyfriend I think boyfriend and girlfriend are overused terms regardless of what their
00:13:55
relationship is or was one of these guys seems to have known both Christina and Brian but also Jason
00:14:04
Massie this guy his name is Christopher Nolan when asked by detectives do you know anyone who would want to harm Brian
00:14:13
and Christina this guy Chris Nolan says yes that the police should be looking for a former friend of his named Jason
00:14:21
Massie right Chris thought Jason was strange weird and violent he said he had seen Jason kill animals and Jason once
00:14:30
told him if there was ever a serial killer in the area that it would be him hold on a second you said something
00:14:41
there animals plural yes don't you think after the first time you go yeah I'm not
00:14:48
hanging out with that guy anymore yeah you have to stick around for the second time you go oh maybe that
00:14:55
was an accident well their relationship is it is a a strange one and we'll get into
00:15:00
that a little bit more as well so more importantly what I want to look at here Captain is who is Jason Massie who is
00:15:08
this glomba right Jason Eric Massie is a high school dropout and he has blonde hair and owns a tan Subaru right that
00:15:20
was the one that was found at the an animal mutilation scene the back of the McDonald's he was in jail on a 21-day
00:15:28
sentence but was released a week I I have here for whatever reason a week or so before the teenagers went missing I
00:15:36
think my notes are incorrect here I actually think that it was more it was just over a month that he
00:15:42
was released before they went missing right one of the guys questioned by police said he had introduced Jason to
00:15:49
Christina so now they have proof or at least a witness saying Jason knew one of the victims right Jason grew up about as
00:15:58
poor as one can and he was raised by a monster of a woman Jason was only 20 years old at the
00:16:07
at this time of our story he was born in 1973 to either a single mother or some Reports say Daddy left just before or
00:16:17
shortly after the boy was born Jason's mother was a substance abuser and a child abuser she beat Jason and his
00:16:26
younger sister often with a belt she she also kept food from her kids the reports I saw said that she
00:16:35
would keep all of the food for the house in her personal bedroom under lock and key and sometimes the kids were only fed
00:16:44
scraps you know after Mom already ate dinner right this is you know when she's hiding the food or locking it up in her
00:16:53
bedroom this stuff is going on in the house when this family was fortunate enough to live in a house or an
00:17:01
apartment because they were so poor that sometimes they were living in Mom's vehicle now mom brought a lot of
00:17:09
terrible men around the kids too some of them would hit and Bully Jason and in fact it's strongly believed that one of
00:17:19
them sexually assaulted Jason when he was young I saw a couple different reports of of what age he would have
00:17:26
been but he would have been young Captain this would have been if it happened it happened between the ages of
00:17:31
like 8 and 10 mhm and Jason and his sister were constantly showing up to school with unexplained bruises they
00:17:38
were dirty and they were hungry child protective services was called a few times but it seems like maybe the Ever
00:17:48
Changing living situation the Ever Changing addresses living in and out of a vehicle at times this really seemed to
00:17:55
get in the way of CPS ever truly stepping in and even possibly removing the kids out of that terrible
00:18:05
situation and in Jason's case it it may have been too late by that point even if they would have
00:18:13
stepped in and taken Jason from the house and I think we'll see why now a few weeks ago we covered the still
00:18:24
unsolved Evansdale murders in a statement from one of the victim's families to the unknown killer
00:18:32
there was a very interesting phrase that I want people to keep in mind in regards to what we've just
00:18:40
discussed the interesting phrase to me and and you Captain was hurt people hurt meaning of course sometimes victims
00:18:48
become victimizers and that is what I think we are seeing here with Jason as he grows
00:18:55
up and he's getting bigger and stronger the once little boy who suffered so much
00:19:00
pain dealt out by his mother and the company that she kept well Jason goes from being abused to abuser right I mean
00:19:10
it's always that question uh chicken or the egg or or nature or nurture and in this case we have evidence that that the
00:19:19
nurturing was was not correct there was no nurturing no just punishment and and abuse
00:19:26
and you know on some level um torture there are also reports that he once he got older he bullied and beat up little
00:19:36
kids uh kids that were younger weaker than he was right and of course we know he suspected of killing innocent animals
00:19:46
in his early teens he gets involved quite heavily with drugs and alcohol and we always know that drugs and alcohol
00:19:53
never make a bad situation better they always make a bad situation worse this leads to
00:20:00
him this leads to him dropping out of high school we talked about Katherine ramsin a little bit in the last episode
00:20:09
and we're going to talk a little more about her in fact she's a great true crime author she wrote a piece
00:20:16
titled this is this is a piece that anyone can find on the crime libraries archives the piece is very fittingly
00:20:25
titled all about Jason Massie from victim to victimizer and I recommend everybody
00:20:32
check that out if they want to learn more about this case so let's see what kind of
00:20:37
evidence that we can get on this guy right so first of all we have the witness statements persons who knew
00:20:45
Massie says he was going to become a serial killer that he killed animals a younger female saying he stalked her
00:20:53
during questioning they couldn't get Massie to confess to the murders law enforcement does have statements of
00:21:01
persons saying that one or both of our young victims had planned to sneak out that night with a guy named Jason but
00:21:09
Jason denies knowing either victim and he says he didn't even own a gun well that's a nice piece of Defense
00:21:19
MH but we have a girl come forward and she says she saw and interacted with Jason Massie the Knight I'm sorry the
00:21:29
evening leading up to the murders she says in his he stalking her I I don't know there there's not a a
00:21:38
detailed report about what they were doing I don't know if they were just hanging out or if it was a casual hello
00:21:46
but the important part here is she's saying that that she saw him in the possession
00:21:53
of a gun that evening she also saw him in possession of a box from a local Walmart that contained
00:22:03
handcuffs so now it's off to Walmart to continue this investigation after talking with staff
00:22:09
they get an additional lead a male sales clerk working at the Walmart picked Jason Massie out of a lineup he said
00:22:19
that on July 22nd so this is just 4 days before the double homicide he was working and sold
00:22:29
the man that he picked out of the lineup Jason Massie 22 caliber bullets two knives and
00:22:38
handcuffs and we know that 20 22 caliber was used to kill Brian now I'll put some
00:22:44
pictures of Jason up on our Instagram so if you want to check that out or also one of his pictures will be the image
00:22:54
for the episode the best way I could describe him is he's not a badl looking kid
00:23:02
um he actually kind of reminds me of Dave mustain from the band Mega Death kind of that uh strawberry blonde
00:23:13
hair it's long I didn't piece that together but I I get what you're talking about I make I'm making that connection
00:23:19
now but somewhere Mr mustain is cursing your name Captain cursing you well he he
00:23:26
can curse me all he wants in fact actually he's not tuning into this show at all I'm just saying if I was casting
00:23:33
the role of Dave mustain Young Dave mustain you know this guy could fit the fit the the
00:23:40
role yeah so I look I know it's convenient to shop at places like Walmart because they carry everything
00:23:47
but when you got a guy in the checkout lane and he's purchasing bullets knives and
00:23:55
handcuffs I don't I don't know what's going on like well the bullet in the knif you have a coupon for any of that
00:24:00
sir yeah the bullet and the knife is not that big of a deal once you throw the handcuffs in there you start going what
00:24:06
what what are we doing here right right so let let's take this a step further shall we police then learned that a 22
00:24:15
caliber gun well it had recently gone missing magically missing from Jason's grandmother's house so he says part of
00:24:25
his defense to police is I don't even own a gun well it's looking like you were out purchasing bullets and there
00:24:33
was a gun that went missing from your grandmother's house a gun that you had likely had access to did he say I don't
00:24:39
even know that lady right she's not my grandma so if Jason is the guy it turns out he didn't have to own a gun no he
00:24:47
could just steal one from a family member now this timeline and the Jason is the murderer theory is really filling
00:24:57
out nice ly for a strong case against this boy it's kind of becoming a no du mhm well police went ahead and placed
00:25:07
Massie under arrest but they are not done building their case they get a search warrant they want to search his
00:25:15
vehicle and his place of residence and they do here are their findings they find newspaper clippings about the
00:25:23
homicides of both Christina and Brian they find two knives handcuffs a hammer these items were tested and it was
00:25:32
confirmed that they found small amounts of blood on these items they discovered small blood stains inside Jason's car
00:25:42
given his horrific hobby of hurting animals though that's not really surprising to me and he has items with
00:25:49
blood on them um additional items that I don't have listed here but still no gun
00:25:56
or items belonging to the victims those were not found in the car they also found duct tape electrical tape and some
00:26:04
more blonde hairs even with all of this what is looking like mounting evidence Jason is
00:26:11
still talking with police but not confessing to anything in a weird tactic though he
00:26:19
offers them up a hypothetical and this is where the killer whoever that may be right
00:26:27
hypothetically right can you see this conversation okay where the killer whoever May that may be may have
00:26:34
disposed of the still missing remains mhm the detectives even went out with him and they walked around in the area
00:26:44
where the bodies were found as he was hypothetically telling them where the killer may have put these
00:26:50
items detectives did try the psychological angle they made what can only only be viewed as
00:26:58
strange comments about the crime scene photos when showing them to Jason they did get what detectives beli
00:27:06
to be a reaction from him from Jason when he was viewing the crime scene photos that this was not his first time
00:27:17
seeing those images this show is sponsored by better help do you look forward to the holidays maybe
00:27:37
you struggle with seasonal Blues this time of year can be a lot and it's natural to feel some sadness or even
00:27:44
anxiety about it but adding something new and positive to your life can counteract some of those feelings
00:27:49
therapy can be a bright spot something to look forward to to make you feel grounded and to give you the tools to
00:27:57
manage everything going on if you're thinking of starting therapy give better help a try it's entirely online designed
00:28:04
to be convenient flexible and suited to your schedule just fill out a brief questionnaire to get matched with a
00:28:10
licensed therapist and switch therapist at any time for no additional charge find your bright spot this season with
00:28:17
betterhelp visit betterhelp.com Garay to get 10% off your first month that's better help
00:28:26
hp.com Rosetta Stone is the language learning program with a lasting impact I've been
00:28:34
using their rap to learn French and it's not just about memorizing words but actually having real conversations and
00:28:40
it's not just French they offer 25 languages right now Rosetta Stone has an awesome holiday deal 50% off their
00:28:47
lifetime membership every language unlimited access forever for anyone keen on diving deep into a new language check
00:28:54
out rosettastone.com it's a GameChanger major phone carriers make you sign contracts with rigid data plans to trap
00:29:03
you into a kind of forced phogy sounds pretty insecure if you ask me at Consumer Cellular we believe in a more
00:29:08
consensual and healthy form of phamy free of contracts and more flexible to your data needs this way you stick
00:29:14
around not because we force you to with contracts and fees but because you love our phone plans like ardently love our
00:29:21
phone plans monogamously Consumer Cellular when Freedom calls we're here to answer call us at 888
00:29:31
[Music] Freedom welcome back this uh Jason massie's real douche well you will be happy to hear
00:29:54
captain that Jason Massie was arrested on August 6th so a lot of investigative efforts went
00:30:00
into this in a rather short period of time the two youths went missing July 26th Massie is suspected of killing and
00:30:09
mutilating the calf on the 28th the two victims bodies were found on the 29th of
00:30:15
July and the arrest warrant affidavit for Jason Eric Massie was filed on Friday August
00:30:21
6 some good old-fashioned detective and police work going on in Ellis County Texas in the summer of 1993 in my humble
00:30:32
garage opinion massie's picture was printed in the newspaper this is going to generate another
00:30:40
lead this is the owner of a car wash they come forward and they say hey I saw this guy that's in the paper
00:30:50
Jason Massi late one night throwing a whole bunch of stuff into a trash bin this would have been near midnight right
00:30:59
he says that the boy spotted him the boy being who he believes to be Jason spotted him and packed up his stuff and
00:31:09
left in a hurry the police went to this trash bin and they're going to start pulling
00:31:16
items out of the dumpster and when they went through the contents from this Car Wash's uh dumpster and they went through
00:31:25
the contents of the car wash 's vacuum altogether they recovered some items that we can only look at them as
00:31:33
evidence right one is a payroll receipt with Jason massie's name on it so it appears that this guy might be right
00:31:41
thinking hey I think I saw this guy Jason Massie there at the car wash that night they also found a red bandana with
00:31:48
blonde hairs stuck to it and then we have lab results that come in and these blonde hair hairs are
00:31:57
confirmed to be that or here's the thing with with hair and fiber evidence you have to keep in mind that
00:32:07
what you are getting here is an expert opinion unless they do DNA testing or are able to we should clarify that on
00:32:16
the hairs themselves we can't confirm 100% that hairs belong to another person it just doesn't work that way you you
00:32:24
can't you can't run those tests what getting is you're getting an expert's opinion saying this hair matches this
00:32:31
hair and this hair came from a victim and this hair came from an item that was found in a vacuum cleaner or in a trash
00:32:40
bin right in The suspect's Possession correct correct now what about the lab results on these other items that were
00:32:47
found these tools that's right we still have the the knives the handcuffs the hammer and there were several locations
00:32:56
within Jason's vehicle where they believed that they found blood stains as well it was confirmed that on most of
00:33:03
these items it was in fact blood and the lab results were that that blood matched
00:33:10
that of the victim specifically Christina Benjamin the thought there being that as
00:33:16
far as her his car goes is that she might have been transported in the car while still
00:33:23
bleeding that's a little a little difficult when I see that statement Captain because I've seen other statements that
00:33:32
says law enforcement had reason to believe that the victims were killed where or near where they were
00:33:40
found well before trial Jason's defense team requested a change of venue this was
00:33:50
denied there were two real major highlights at the trial both coming in favor of the
00:33:57
prosecution one was the testimony from that former friend of Jason's remember this is 18-year-old Christopher Nolan
00:34:07
Nolan told the court that Jason said that he wanted to have sex with Christina Benjamin and he wanted to kill
00:34:14
her and mutilate her Nolan being just a really great guy with a good moral compass and a big brain on his shoulders
00:34:23
said I didn't pay much attention to him because he was always talking about killing girls so didn't think to tell
00:34:31
anybody about this again this goes back to the this is the same guy that stuck around him after he witnessed him
00:34:38
killing an animal or hurting animals as you pointed out the the the man's words were
00:34:45
plural so maybe he didn't pay too much attention because by his own testimony at court he and Massie their time spent
00:34:54
together he says they spent much of the 1993 summer driving around drinking and doing LSD and cocaine wow so you have to
00:35:05
wonder does Nolan Go I mean then you wonder how credible is his testimony right this guy's been high on acid and
00:35:13
cocaine for the whole summer and now he's telling me that this guy said this stuff and also what is HE capable of
00:35:21
right right and there in lies the question and we we hinted around this earlier before this Nolan character Christopher
00:35:30
Nolan he would be one of the two people one of you know when it was stated that two friends were arrested and questioned
00:35:40
in the murders of these two kids he's one of those people that's how they get his statements that's how they
00:35:48
get him to court to testify against Jason Massie the reason why I questioned the statements in the newspapers at the
00:35:55
time and this was stated in '93 and in '94 and then later by um people that are against the death
00:36:04
penalty I question the statement of Christopher Nolan and this other guy being arrested in connection of the
00:36:11
murders what my belief is Captain is that the papers just got that wrong that they made a leap that wasn't necessary
00:36:19
Christopher Nolan's not a great guy and that's why his testimony yes it's in favor of the prosecution but for reasons
00:36:27
we just pointed out with the drug use he's he's also a criminal himself his test his testimony is not not super
00:36:35
great what where I'm going with this is I believe they knew that this guy likely
00:36:42
knew both Jason Massie and knew the victims or one of the victims right and this guy is somebody you could pick up
00:36:50
on other charges and now you're like hey you tell us what you know because this minor stuff that you did we don't really
00:36:57
care about check out what the what the door said when you walked in this said homicide division we care about who was
00:37:03
killed we care about these victims that were murdered this little petty stuff that you're doing we don't care so much
00:37:10
about as long as you tell us and help us out with this homicide investigation and
00:37:15
I say that and I would be willing to wager what few possessions I actually have because we have every sign pointing
00:37:24
to Jason Massie all along away right just so much evidence and so much things to support him as being the number one
00:37:32
prime suspect here yeah yeah I mean the car the fact that he knew the victims fact that he said he wanted to have sex
00:37:42
with one of the victims uh his background his criminal history his um capacity for violence MH I mean he's
00:37:53
just uh one of the worst of the worst and and really I you know I hate to say this but
00:38:02
you you almost think that if if he was a little bit more mature or sophisticated
00:38:09
as a killer we might there might not be answers in this case and there might be more victims
00:38:16
right we we may not have had so much evidence lead us to Jason Massie we we may have been sitting here going we
00:38:24
still don't know who did this and we talk so much about when when a small child or when somebody is abducted we
00:38:31
jokingly talk about what I what I love to report on the old pervert Roundup this is a very similar situation where
00:38:39
you're going okay we are pretty certain we know who did this we've arrested this
00:38:45
guy we can't get him to confess so let's do the what I'm going to call the loser
00:38:51
criminal Roundup find anybody with a criminal background and and some somebody we know that's out committing
00:38:58
crimes that knows the perpetrator or who we believe to be the perpetrator let's pick him up and see what this guy will
00:39:06
tell us now the second highlight for the states case this I love this because you know
00:39:14
this is so much TV talk Court Court TV talk it says then during the trial a bombshell you know
00:39:24
you no Law and Order yeah a bombshell well this is most certainly a bombshell I'm not laughing about that but what I'm
00:39:34
kind of laughing about is we already have what I believe to be a mountain of evidence against Jason Massie yeah so a
00:39:42
bombshell wasn't even required but still we have one and the I'm going to give you the short of it because this
00:39:52
is reported on at some length and having discussed all the horrible things that we have so far I still haven't been able
00:40:00
to get to my chicken salad sandwich so what happens here Captain we have a hunter who is trekking through the woods
00:40:09
yeah that stumbles upon a rusty cooler okay he decides to open it up no to figure out you know why is this
00:40:18
cooler just randomly out here in the middle of the woods well inside he finds what's in the box dozens of skulls from
00:40:27
animals small skulls from animals he also finds four spiral notebooks now these notebooks are titled
00:40:38
slayer's book of death and they're volumes one through 4 in at least one of these
00:40:46
notebooks it's also written out the thoughts of Jason Massie by Jason Massie well this seems
00:40:55
quite con venient for the states case yeah this book belongs to Jason Massie please return to Jason
00:41:03
Massie Kathleen ramsin very astutely describes this as Jason massie's blueprint for murder and mutilation he
00:41:12
detailed his crimes or crimes that he wished to commit he also detailed his crimes against animals he said that he
00:41:20
particularly liked strangling them and decapitating them so that he could keep their skulls
00:41:27
keeping them as trophies or souvenirs remember Massie wrote that killing gave him an adrenaline rush a high a turn on
00:41:35
he had a love to mutilate he also wrote about his admiration for famous killers particularly Bundy Manson and uh
00:41:46
Lucas apparently he aspired to be Henry Lee Lucas yeah yeah he's he's the one uh
00:41:53
yeah I killed hundreds of people but I can't seem to remember where I put put any of the bodies sorry about that
00:42:00
um he says in his writings that he wants to have better numbers than those killers that he seems to like and really
00:42:12
what I think is fascinating here though from an investigative standpoint and for some of the things
00:42:19
that we were citing in the trailer what we see in these notebooks or what the experts say that they see in
00:42:27
this in these notebooks right is all of this talk all of these writings start off as
00:42:36
fantasies they morph their way into plans like kathlyn ramsland said a blueprint for murder it goes from
00:42:45
fantasizing about killing to how can I kill how do I plan on carrying this out how can I get away
00:42:55
with it yeah and we see this later in history as well with the Sandy Hook um some of the notes there or or even like
00:43:05
with some of the journaling for Coline mhm um it seems like though it's more like a a younger a younger killer thing
00:43:16
well in his own writings Jason Massie describes himself as a murder machine and he states that he wants to grab
00:43:24
Society by the throat and shake them with Terror until they're awake and realize what's up so they will remember
00:43:32
who I am and when and why I came their way grab him by the throat to let them know what's up grab Society by the
00:43:40
throat to let them know what's up okay mhm so not only does he fantasize about killing mutilating and raping victims
00:43:48
Captain but as said he's planning but what you're seeing inside of that too is the admiration for these other killers
00:43:55
and then saying that I want to grab Society by the throat and make them remember who I am and when and why I
00:44:02
came their way he wants the notoriety right that he wants he wants to be famous like those people that he's wrote
00:44:10
about in his notebooks he idolizes these individuals well you know he was tortured and you know abused and
00:44:18
probably made to feel like nothing you know so I I think there's some level there of going well I'll show everybody
00:44:27
and and really adopting instead of um you know take it take it out on the people that abused you he really like
00:44:36
adopted that Society all has the same uh views as his abusers well and a lot of times these serial killers whether they
00:44:46
were abused or not some of them have been some of them have not been right but a lot of times
00:44:52
what they want to do is they perceive or see themselves as a weak person no matter what show they put
00:45:01
on for those around them underneath all of it all they see themselves as a weak person and they only believe that they
00:45:08
can attack terrorize or control someone weaker than them now well that's why he's you know
00:45:16
picking cats and right I mean there's nothing more innocent than animals they don't they don't even know what you're
00:45:23
they don't know why you would be attacking them right in October of 1994 Jason Massie was found guilty of
00:45:31
the murders and sentenced to death now while on death row he converted to Christianity clay strange sure he did
00:45:41
Clay strange is the prosecuting attorney who successfully convicted Jason Massie and
00:45:49
got the death penalty for him right he said quote it's impossible to assign a motive to a case like this I think he
00:45:58
did it because it was pleasurable to him and in regards to the four volumes labeled Slayer book of death strange
00:46:06
said of Massie quote it was just playing with numbers and it all centered around
00:46:12
killing generally killing people but by far his favorite targets were 11 to 13-year-old girls it's almost a miracle
00:46:22
we caught him as quickly in his career as we did he's as evil as anybody I've ever encountered I've met a lot of
00:46:31
people meaner but no one more evil in an interview from Death Row Jason Massie told the inis daily news
00:46:42
I've changed and people do change as we grow we change I have a lot of anger about the stupid mistakes I made at the
00:46:50
same time I recognize anger is just an emotion James King father and stepfather of the victims told the Dallas Morning
00:47:00
News that he was glad authorities nabbed Massie when they did and that the wouldbe serial killer didn't have the
00:47:07
chance to act more on his fantasies MH he says he's the devil he would have been worse than Ted Bundy it's a shame
00:47:17
he started with kids well and and we see this with a a lot of killers but it just his appearance
00:47:28
just and and some of these pictures when you pull up these pictures of him there
00:47:33
I mean there's a couple there's there's definitely this black and white one where it's just you he just he's a
00:47:39
pretty regular looking kid well there's a lot of pictures in this is maybe after
00:47:44
he becomes uh um a Christian in his eyes or whatever uh where there he's smiling a lot in the
00:47:53
picture uh so he comes off as happy you know um there were pictures of him at the time of his
00:48:02
arrest and and going into trial where he is smiling and appears to be happy and some people wonder if that's because
00:48:11
he's getting the notoriety that he sought by being arrested by being taken to trial and he was even nicknamed the
00:48:20
Cherub Face Killer because he is so youngl looking and again he I mean he he's 20 I I've called him a boy a few
00:48:29
times he's a man but he he's got a very boyish baby face or whatever you want to
00:48:36
call it and that's what's always shocking to people when they when they hear about a crime so horrible and
00:48:41
horrific as this one and then they see in the paper two weeks later oh this is the guy we think that did it and then
00:48:48
people expect to see a grotesque looking monster and often that's not the case he's just a just a 20-year-old average
00:48:57
looking kid well I also wondered too some of some of these individuals we've seen it with Bundy and and others that
00:49:08
or or I I'd say the best example I could give would be dmer where he would say Okay I I committed this horrible murder
00:49:17
I'm not going to do that anymore and then the urges and the fantasies and stuff would grow and grow
00:49:23
and grow and they do another murder and so it's like yeah that this was just his
00:49:28
first murder but maybe there was something about getting caught that he's like okay
00:49:35
well I don't want to have these urges I don't want to have these thoughts I don't want to have
00:49:41
whatever I thought about that too and I considered it for a while until I took into account the fact that after he
00:49:48
murdered the two teenagers he was seen behind the McDonald's killing another animal but
00:49:55
that's why I'm saying maybe it's like well I killed these people now and I'm still not
00:50:00
arrested yeah so maybe it's he I think he was still worked up from from the the murders themselves and still working
00:50:09
through that what we are very lucky in regards to is that this [ __ ] couldn't keep his mouth shut right he needed to
00:50:19
you almost wonder like is writing about all of these horrible violent fantasies was that drawing that out of him and
00:50:29
making it a reality sooner or was it delaying it by having him live through the pages and through his words or
00:50:37
through telling friends while he's on LSD that he wants to kill and mutilate you we don't know there's
00:50:46
there's no way for us to discern that but it's an interesting thing to to ponder well he's a piece of [ __ ] and he
00:50:56
deserves to die well on April 3rd 2001 in Huntsville the state of Texas was ready
00:51:04
to carry out the execution death sentence of convicted murderer Jason Eric Massie Texas State prisoner number
00:51:13
99121 his final meal it's a big one Jason's last meal was three fried chicken quarters fried squash fried
00:51:22
eggplant mashed potatoes snap peas boiled cabbage three corn on the cob spinach broccoli and cheese one pint of
00:51:30
caramel pecon fudge Tin Roof ice cream and a pitcher of sweet tea to wash all that good stuff down Jesus that's a
00:51:39
10,000 calories might be might be more than that now remember it was it was after
00:51:46
this that Texas changed their rule on these these meals because they were getting crazy they now have put a limit
00:51:53
on was he the [ __ ] that ruined it for everybody no um the guy that ruined it for everybody we actually covered this
00:52:01
on the show yeah it was I can't remember his name I I'm going to tell you right now it was Lawrence Russell Brewer he
00:52:13
was one of the racist Nazi [ __ ] that killed Jesus yeah well there's no other way for me to describe him he was killed
00:52:22
uh James Bird yeah he was the one that ordered all he ordered more food than that than what we just went through and
00:52:30
I'm not going to go through the whole menu here of what Brewer ordered but he ordered a ton of food and then all of a
00:52:36
sudden when they delivered he's like yeah I'm not hungry and so they did away with that in part because people were
00:52:42
just taking advantage of such a thing now in Jason's final statement he said I would first like to
00:52:52
speak to the victim's family first of all I would like to say that I do not know any of y'all and that's unfortunate
00:52:58
because I would like to apologize to each and every one of you individually I can't imagine what I have taken from you
00:53:06
but I do want to apologize and I want to let you know that I did do it you guys know that I am guilty and I am sorry for
00:53:15
what I have done I apologize and I know you may not be able to forgive me in this life and in this world but I hope
00:53:22
sometime in the future you will be able to find it in you to forgive me and I want you to know that Christina she did
00:53:31
not suffer as much as you think she did I promise you that I give you my word I know you guys want to know where the
00:53:38
rest of her remains are I put her remains in the Trinity River I have said that since I have come to death row I
00:53:45
want to apologize to you again one thing that I find interesting here captain that we don't often get in these
00:53:53
situations is this this deathbed confession we don't have to sit here and wonder all of these years later did they
00:54:00
convict the right right guy or the wrong guy we saw from the evidence at trial it
00:54:05
all looked like it was him but there was still some question if there was somebody else involved or somebody else
00:54:11
in the vehicle when Jason picked up these two kids it appears by his deathbed confession that he is taking on
00:54:19
full responsibility of having committed these murders and at least saying where he put the rest of the remains right and
00:54:28
he's also claiming that this is not the first time he's confessed to this since he's been on death row yeah he went on
00:54:34
to say a lot of things he had a rather lengthy final statement the next part he addresses his family and I I feel like
00:54:43
I'm giving him too much to to go through that I mean people can find it you can find it online or in the old newspapers
00:54:51
if you dig deep enough regarding mainstream media Med of this case in this story there was an episode on
00:54:59
Forensic Files titled pure evil I watched that it it was ceso colen what it's it's this gu Chris Dee a bit
00:55:12
because he watches that show all the time he's like and then they have words like and then we find some assess Coline
00:55:20
oh some word we've never heard yeah I like the show I didn't like this episode I thought that it was not very detailed
00:55:29
I don't think I it left really a lot of it just wasn't a great episode it it was
00:55:34
it didn't tell the whole story in my opinion there is a book out there called Born bad by Bill
00:55:41
Cox and it's described as a closeup look at teenage killer Jason Massie and describes his fascination with serial
00:55:49
killers Ted Bundy and Henry Lee Lucas childhood torture experiments in brutal rape murder and mutilation of a young
00:55:56
girl and then the killing of another teenage boy I was unable to get my hands on that book it looks like it could be
00:56:04
pretty interesting but again I do want to point out that Katherine ramin's article that she wrote for the crime
00:56:11
library for court TV's old Crime Library some of the older True Crime fans will remember reading that back in the day
00:56:20
quite a bit but her article that is available online is titled all about J and Massie from victim to victimizer and
00:56:27
really I think that's the best thing available out there if you want to learn more about this horrific
00:56:34
[Applause] [Music] story and just real quick uh update in the Ahmad arbitary case the trial has
00:56:51
started a lot of people believe that this father and son that hunted down a mod it was racially motivated I think
00:56:59
now there's evidence that has come out in the trial that supports that and then to me they should be charged with a hate
00:57:07
crime therefore the penalty would be a lot more severe it's hard to cover those cases when they're so new and so lack of
00:57:16
information but these are also important cases to cover and now with the trial happening we'll have more updates and
00:57:23
obviously more information as that trial continues it's really good to see that everything in regards to that case
00:57:30
continues to move in the right direction a little recommended reading before we wrap things up today here Captain if you
00:57:37
will we are recommending Confessions of a serial killer the untold story of Dennis Raider the BTK killer this is by
00:57:47
Katherine Ramson through jailhouse visits telephone calls and written correspondence Catherine worked with
00:57:53
Raider him himself to analyze the layers of his psyche using his drawings letters
00:58:00
interviews and Raiders unique codes she presents in meticulous detail the childhood roots and development of one
00:58:08
man's motivation to stalk torture and kill this book is incredible make sure you check it out again it's called
00:58:17
Confessions of a serial killer the untold story of Dennis Raider and the BTK killer yeah make sure you subscribe
00:58:25
and make sure you give us a festar review on iTunes it helps out the show and until next week be good be kind and
00:58:33
don't [Music] litter [Applause] you can live out your Master Chef dreams when you find a professional on Angie to
00:59:15
tackle your dream kitchen remodel connect with skilled professionals to get all your home
00:59:21
projects done well visit angie.com you can do this when Ang do that