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life redeem your 50% off at rosettastone.com [Music] today this is one of the most brutal
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murders in the history of this city rashan's gruesome murder will forever trouble a dedicated detective
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who retired without solving it and will haunt rashan's mother who's had to live with it every
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[Music] day good good afternoon desire thank you for joining me here in the garage today
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to talk about your son's case could you tell thank you for having me you're most
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welcome could you tell me and the listeners a little bit about your son ran yes I can what can I
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say ran was the C type of kid where he always was there to give a helping hand I didn't find out how much of a help
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hand that my child was giving out until his passing I didn't know that my child was helping out one of the
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teachers that live in my building with her kids with a project of a earth project that he assist them with that
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she said he took the time out he came to the school they went on these little Park
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trails and he picked up things for the kids um my son used to take food out my refrigerator and give it to the people
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across the street my son was very how can I say it not into fashion but he liked old clothing like the
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fisherman hats and he was just a old soul and always made sure that if he could he was be he was willing to help
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anyone was he as smart as he was good-looking yes yes he was the smartness is I discovered that
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ran back then you know we had the video movies you know the movies that you put in the
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VCR he was renting them out for a dollar had his own little business going huh had his own little business
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going where he can you know get his little snacks or whatever his favorite snacks was chocolate chip cookies and
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milk could you tell us about the last time that you saw ran it was Valen time day morning and I was up getting ready
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to work he was a little concerned because Sean was the type of person where he always believed in having a job
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like it it it was a must for him I remember when he had this job and he was going to school and working at night and
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you know I didn't like it but I know he loved his independence so that morning he was up
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he was getting his clothes ready he had his little bag with his resume and you know he was a little concerned because
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he had been out of work not that long but a couple of months and it bothered him so I remember when I got to the
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train station I called him and I said listen your phone bill and if you have any other little bills you know mommy's
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here mommy's goingon to help you I don't want you stressing over the fact that no one has
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called you back yet from the few interviews that you went on you will get a job until then Mommy got you
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and I'll see you later because he was my Valentine date Mommy and son was supposed to get together that day and
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you know have lunch and everything ran doesn't show up for this date and what can you take us through the process of
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what prompted you to report him missing and how did you go about reporting him missing well I called him I didn't you
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know my call went straight to voicemail and you know I kept calling I kept calling I kept calling so I left work
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and I remember the last call I made to him I said can't believe you stood me up you got me worried I haven't spoken to
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you when I get home you better have a good excuse when I got home he was not there I started panicking a little bit
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because we talk maybe three or four times a day when I'm at work so at work I'm thinking
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maybe he didn't charge his phone maybe his phone died or whatever and I was going to get home and you know he's
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goingon to be like Mom this is what happened but he wasn't there and I had an issue with
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that I stayed up most of the night any little noise I heard I'm thinking it was him coming in the door when Ron didn't
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come home that night I immediately knew something was wrong I went to work I started calling the
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hospitals to see if anyone came in when I did call the police to make a report they came out but this is what I was
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told due to his age and he wasn't a special needs child there really wasn't much they can do I was
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told that maybe he was just hanging out with his friends and you know he'll be home soon and what I was trying to tell
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the officer was that no he wasn't that wasn't the type of child he was he didn't he didn't do that that that
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wasn't his thing and he would have contacted me if you know if that was the case so the police followup was just
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them coming out that day was did did you hear before the 17th of February did you
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hear anything back from the police other than them coming out no your ini no now
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of course it took several years with no answers with you really being the one to
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lead the charge with petitioning America's Most Wanted to cover the case and keeping
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tabs on even the detectives and who's working the case and and and what what if any progress they had because from an
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outsider looking in desire it appears to me like they had a lot of ideas early on
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they were working a lot of leads and talking to a lot of people that knew ran early on and then for a lack of better
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term the case kind of went cold could you tell us a little bit about the kind of that down period in
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the investigation when they had kind of run out of leads it starts to get cold and and now it's just it's just Mom and
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family leading the charge I have to be honest in the beginning of my son case I did not
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feel that the detectives in the very beginning was really working my sun case I I have to
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be honest with that my son case didn't really start getting worked until detective aad took it over
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himself I'll never forget how this detective came to me and he said you know the people that I've talked to no
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one has had any bad thing to say about your son you know when it got called I decided to do a March you know to keep
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his name out there to let them know somebody knows something whatever you know you know I gave my email you know I
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gave numbers that you know people can reach out to I got together with this church and we used to go out on notion
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Avenue where he was found on the train tracks there and we would like candles and you know certain news reports would
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come out and you know I would say once again somebody knows something whatever little thing that you
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think is not important talk about it tell somebody about it I it I gave Gatherings you know I sold
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dinners just you know in his name there was a scholarship fund it was called the
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rashan memoral scholarship fund that was started with you know Larry lions and some of his other people we got together
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and we was able we we were so successful in raising money where we sent other kids to college you know with money that
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was donated I tried to do everything I possibly could to make sure that this his case just didn't go cold and nobody
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you know wasn't working on it and it just it just it was hard for me it was hard
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because I knew somebody out there had took my son's life and the way that they did it they
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didn't even allow me to look upon his face again so with all of that it just had me charg I mean in the beginning I
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was so angry you know I was hurt I was so many emotions I wanted to know why and you know how could this have
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happened and I even blamed myself for a while because I felt like maybe I led him to believe that you
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know everybody needs help and because of the work that I do you know I wanted my
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child to feel like you know the homeless the weak the people that you can help you can help maybe I made a
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mistake about that but I just kept going I just kept going detectives have a term
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for the category that that your son would be for an investigator and I don't know if anybody's ever shared this with
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you but some detectives use the term true innocence true innocent or absolute innocence and the persons that fall into
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that category you know because you you hear on the news and you see it in the newspapers oh this this person uh this
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senseless act of violence uh ended this innocent person's life but as far as detectives are concerned there are
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actually very small portion of the population that are true Innocents true Innocents and your son would fall into
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that category oftentimes it's someone that is too young you know like a young child who who doesn't have an extended
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Social Circle uh is too young to be up to anything uh that might put them In Harm's Way or running around with the
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wrong crowd and your son falls into that that category of a person a good person
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who was doing good things and was truly innocent and unfortunately what we did not know at the time in 2005 is that
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this this person who is at the complete opposite end of the spectrum who could only be categorized as a monster was
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living and had some association with your family living close and one of the most startling things and
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this is something that I I I picked up in the news so forgive me if this is wrong but you know there there's nothing
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easy about this case there's nothing comfortable to talk about with this case but one thing that stood out and made me
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incredibly angry and I wanted to to hear your thoughts on this and and maybe if there's a way that you can
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convey how you felt and what you experienced at the time after the arrest of gavon the the way that this
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was reported is you're in court and he's supposed to be paying attention facing the judge and did he turn to you and say
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something or or turn to you and Whisper or mouth something to you yes he mouthed
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to me I love you it took every fiber of my being to not run up and try to choke the
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life out of him but what I realized was this person was trying to victimize me MH and
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I wasn't going to allow that because I have already been through enough it shocked me to find out that this young
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man end up being connected to my son when detective model told me he was retiring I I said okay that's it it's
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over there's that where do I go and you know he said but I have someone that wants your son's
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case now I admit you know I was a little well why do this officer want my son's case and you know he introduced me to
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Jason and you know I asked Jason why did he want this case and I remember him telling me when your son case first hit
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I put that article on by my desk he said because I felt like if it did not end up
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getting solved and it do end up in the Cold Case unit I wanted it he said because I I you know
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I was always saying about something the family was doing you know talking to detective mod and him telling me how
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passionate you and your family was about trying to find out who did this he said
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I just refuse to allow this case to just go and nothing be done so with all the hard work I'll
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never forget it it was around Christmas time and I had finally decided to celebrate Christmas
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because Christmas was Sean's holiday and since I lost him I you know I just didn't do it and I'll never forget when
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they called me and I went to meet with them and you know when they gave me this information I lost it because this
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person lived right across the street from me I know this person's family when I say know the family I know the family
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now me and this young man did not have a good report with one another at all and
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when I discovered that there was a possibility of a connection when I sat in that court and he said that to me I
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was like okay no I said I see what you're doing you want me to act out you want to see my hurt I said but I'm G be
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better than you I'mma hold this and I'm going to let the system do what they need to do to get you off the street he
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tried to play the victim in the courtroom at times yes and he it seems like he liked the
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spotlight or to cause drama to draw attention to to himself I agree oh drama is not the word we was in the lobby when
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they brought him in it was ridiculous like me my son Sean's brother and one of my son friend we were standing there I
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had to hold them back because they was like look at him like look at the ass it it it it was it was something to see
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it really was but that I love you thing yeah that was it for me mind you though no one told him to turn around he got
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away with that the police a after the arrest it sounds like especially things that we heard from detective palamara
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that the police felt pretty good about their case against gavon and and we know that
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that many people felt good about the case against him because it goes to the grand jury and they
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decide that yes this these charges are warranted this should go to trial how and why do these charges get dropped
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against someone who has committed such heinous horrible acts and against more than one victim as well I'm confused as
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you are when they did the first trial with him with the young lady that he brutally
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killed and he was convicted I remember clearly what the da said to me he said now miss brazelle it's your turn
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and we're going to see to it that you get the justice that you deserve Reserve now
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remember Co hit then remember there was a disaster where all they evidence was and certain things they had was lost
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but you know what they had so much more when I say detector a model and his partner Jason and Evelyn when the Cold
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Case unit got together when I say they gave them so much more I was so angry I was angry because it was like a slap in
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Jason face it was a it was a slap in the whole Cold Case unit face because it kept on it kept adjourning it kept
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adjourning and I'mma tell you I'm going tell you I started getting the feeling and always ask the same question are we
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good are we good oh miss bazelle you have nothing to worry about we're good we good well finally Co ends finally
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we're getting court dates me and my family sat in that courtroom it was just one thing after
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another after another after another and then I remember the day I watch the da his lawyers go up to the bench
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there was a conversation I didn't share with my family but I said they're discussing to
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let this case go after the that day they set a date I asked to speak to her she took me and my sister in a room and lied
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directly to my face that this we was going to go to trial I asked her I said is everything good she said
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yes we're going to trial I said to her I want to thank you for allowing it to go
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to trial because even though you know y'all in the DA office feel like okay y'all lost whatever y'all lost in the
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evidence I appreciate the fact that you're going to allow a jury to decide his faith you're going to
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present what you have what you had that was strong enough for the grand jury to indict him
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without that evidence you had being presented to them and I said I appreciate that I said whatever happens
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at Tri I will accept the outcome well she called me I was getting off from work and she said to me oh miss
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brazelle I'm going to need you to come into the office cuz I need to speak with you I said wow I don't like the sound of
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this and she said well I just need for you to come in so her tone on the phone had already told me what was going to
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happen I went into their office and a friend of mine went with me it destroyed me to hear that they was going
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to dismiss the case but his his what they felt like was satisfactory for me oh but don't worry he's in jail for Life
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he's never going to get out and we will see to it every time he comes up for parole that he never makes parole and I
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said to her but what do that do for me because for me he didn't answer for my son's life I said and I'mma tell you
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something I feel like if my son was from a different background or a different area no matter how little evidence you
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had you still would have took this to trial but it sounds like to me you're saying my son case was in significant it
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doesn't matter I should be happy that you know y'all got through the first trial he's not worth the money for the
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second trial and he got life so there it is I left out of there disussed they had
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a therapist sitting there and I'm saying to my mom what is she supposed to do for
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me doing this meeting and what else all make me angry I said your boss didn't even have the audacity enough respect
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for me and my family to be here after he stood in my face and said to me Miss B don't worry we're going to take this all
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the way to trial no matter what I sat outside and cried for hours I couldn't believe that all the hard work that was
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done I'm sure they had so much more that they didn't felt the need to say let's take it the triout it's like I told her
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I've seen cases go with a little of nothing it all depends on how you present that evidence to the jury and
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how strong you are but I guess my son wasn't worth [Music] it planning an international trip and
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rosettastone.com today [Music] well and with in this case in particular with with the individual that would be
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on Tri gavon he's the type of individual you saw it play out right in front of you with your own eyes he's the type of
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individual if you put him on a stage and give him enough rope he will hang himself exactly
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the thing that's so aggravating here it's it's it's a double whammy situation right it's not only have they stopped
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fighting for ran they've almost handcuffed you and prevented you from continuing to fight for your son that's
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that's exactly what they did that's exactly what they did it was like yeah what's she going to
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do like okay yeah she can go on the news and say whatever and then they had a spokesperson after I did that
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interview on the news with Mary Murphy they had a spokesperson that lied and said oh well miss brazelle already knew
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that this was going to happen that's a lie no I did not know y'all waited till the very last
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minute to give me that information because I was still under the impression that no matter what you had lost that
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y'all was going to go to trial with whatever you had so I didn't get the opportunity to go back and say she's a
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liar no one I didn't I didn't know anything ahead of time I kept persisting that this goes to trial I kept
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persisting nothing but this is what I end up with and like you said I just felt trap my
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hands tied and I I I didn't frankly it's it's rude on their on their part because if they've decided
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that we're not going to do anything that we are not going to advance your son's case further through the courts then
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when you talk to the news when you talk to the media if they've already decided they they've given up they shouldn't
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even offer up a rebuttal they shouldn't even put spokesperson or woman up there to or man to to have a comment on what
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your comments are they've decided not to do anything so sit down and be quiet is
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is my feeling and and you dear if you want to shout out from the mountain tops you should and you you you had the
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unfortunate experience of of witnessing this firsthand and witnessing the action
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and then lack thereof action by their office you have every right to say what it is
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that you experience and what you feel and and what they did or didn't do in your son's case and I am so sure I am so
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sure I guarantee you that there's other cases that this da has done the same way
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you're in New York I'm in Ohio and unfortunately I've I've I've witnessed cases and and spoke to family members in
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cases that are similar here in Ohio where it just feels like there is a not just a lack of urgency to
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prosecute but but even in some cases a lack of effort to investigate further and unfortunately I've seen I can count
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him on up to two hands now the number of times that I've seen where we have an individual locked up for one thing and
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he's done a bunch of other horrible things and the powers that beego well that's that's good enough he's he's
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Behind Bars he's going to be there for a long time and that's going to have to be
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good enough and that's what this was here and I know we've we've we've talked about it already quite a bit but but in
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the early stages middle stages and how could your son's in your opinion from what you saw what you experienced how
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could your son's case have been handled differently and is there anything that can be done now I feel like whatever
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evidence that they lost whatever they needed off of that that should have been already handled that should have been
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already taken care of and on the side I felt like in the beginning when they was
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given certain information they should have followed through with that information in the
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beginning see the DA office don't realize how much I do know how much the people from the street have talked to me
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and I just feel like they didn't they didn't do it like they took everything that Jason did handed to them and said
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okay well yeah you gave us this but because we lost whatever it was there then the other things that you gave us
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and it's it's strong but we're just not going to do it it's like they had this attitude of well if we lose this case
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there'll be a loss on our record I everything that came into their office they should have followed through with
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it in the very beginning you allow Co to hit you sat back I remember reaching out
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to them and saying to them I feel like that my sun case is going to end up in your drawer in your file cabinet and
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forgotten and that's just how my son case ended up in they file cabinet filed under
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dismiss and that's that everything should have been done differently and like right now the only thing that I can
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hope for if we get a new DA and I can pre present once again my son case to a new DA that's sitting
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there and say look at this go back and read this go back and look at that and hopefully maybe something could be done
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being that it never went to trial and there was no verdict it was just dismissed but maybe with a new DA
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sitting there and that new da said no you know what we going to take the chance and we going to take this to
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trial with what we have right here because this was good detective work being that it was a cold case we're
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going to take all of this and we're going to use it and we're going to see what the jury comes back and like I said
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I would have appreciated appreciated that so much because I feel like if a jury had a setb back and heard
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everything other than this piece of in evidence that they lost I don't know why but I just feel like a jury would have
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been like no no we're GNA convict I I it it just goes back to like I said it all
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it's all about how you present what you have the passionate that you show and your determination when it came down
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this the lack of determination suck I can tell you though there was one person that was sitting in that room with us I
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can tell it hurt her to her soul that the person that was handling my sun case was sitting over from me telling me that
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they was going to dismiss it and to add insult to injury you know they ask me she emailed me to ask me oh I'm unsure
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are you going to be in court today why would I be in court why would why would I have been there for that if it it was
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just plain disrespect even the therapist was sitting there was looking like like this is all wrong this is so
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wrong but because of the person that had the case the person under her couldn't speak and like I told her you you let
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your boss send you in here to do this which me and and she told me she said well I agree with him we just didn't
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have enough and I was like wow so everything that Jason had gave y'all wasn't enough but
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you didn't have that evidence that you lost that's not what was presented to the grand jury
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and they still indicted him and it's all just comes down to like I said they decided okay we got a guilty verdict on
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the first trial Let It Be he's never getting out and that's was their main thing of comfort from them to me oh he's
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never getting out don't even worry about it go home relax forget it it's done well and the thing here is your your son
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was a good to say good upstanding citizen is just the tip of the iceberg and in some ways he was a night in
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shining armor for some of these people that he was trying to help and people in the area people that he knew the the
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only Heroes that you had seemed to come from the Cold Case Squad and that's it there
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was no night and shining armor for you or your family or for ran for that fact from the DA's office and to me all this
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says and and I want to be clear because somewhere there's going to be somebody listening and they're going to say Nick
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hang on pump the brakes a little bit buddy but I want to be clear this this is a situation that has end up as you
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said and as has been reported as dismissed your your son's case dismissed it's not they didn't come to you and say
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this is pending further Evidence or or we're going to continue to work this case and continue to build a case
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against gavon no it's it's we we can't do anything is we've we've we've put our hands up in the air and we go I don't
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know we can't do there's nothing left for us to do here and to me that that shows an extreme lack of character on
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behalf of the district attorney and it shows it's a big sign of weakness because as you said earlier a concern
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for having a loss on their record who cares if you have a loss on your record the general public the public that you
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represent the families that you represent the people that want bad people off of the streets violent
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horrible people off of the streets and locked up and put away because they don't deserve to live in our society the
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people that want that they don't care about your losses we yes we care about your wins rack up some wins we want wins
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for the good people for the citizens we don't care about the losses as long as you try that's it every Sunday every
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Sunday the worst team in in the NFL marches out on the field and they may play the best team in the NFL and you
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know what secretly inside the locker room they might say themselves I don't think we have a very good chance of
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winning today do they just pack up and get on the bus and go back home no they go out and they play the game and they
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give it their all and they bust their butts to try to climb that mountain and David beat Goliath
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and here I it's just to me it's just a lack of character it's a sign of weakness nobody cares man if you lose
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just go out there and try and give it your all and instead no they closed the book and said we've we can't we can't do
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anything here so if when when they when they seem to care about losses guess what this is a huge loss for them a huge
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loss for them well I can honestly tell you clearly as a fact the case was dismissed due to lack of evidence or
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however they want to put it no one came to me and say oh but we're GNA further investigate we're gonna keep digging we
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none of that my son case ended up just where I didn't want it to end up in their foul cabinet shut done they've
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moved on but they're moving on in their mind saying oh but we got that win that first
00:39:04
win he's in jail for life so that should cover everything Miss brazelle should feel comfortable and happy with the fact
00:39:15
that he was never getting out because that's what her words to me was oh but you don't have to worry just keep this
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in mind he's never getting out he and I'm looking at her like wow so this is your way this is this is the Olive
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Branch that you're handing to me right now this is I should be grateful I should be
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thankful that he's never getting out and that every time he come up for parole y'all are gonna make sure he never
00:39:49
receives it okay okay I hope you sleep very well tonight okay all right right yeah it's dismiss as far as
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they're concerned that was it they did they quit they did they quit on me they quit on my son it never crossed their
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mind there was never a thought in their mind that they victimized me and my family just how it was when his life was
00:40:19
taken how we felt shattered lost no answers confused that's how I felt sitting at that table listening to that
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that's how I felt when I read her email trying to find out am I going to court I
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was so messed up to where I found myself it was no need me sitting at home sitting at home was going to do what
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mess with my psyche I went to work I helped my client I cried coming home the next morning I
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just repeated that process cried going into work help my clients cry coming back home talk to my husband here
00:41:13
who just talk it out just CED but how much talking can I do when I realize that I've been l out it's it's been shut
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down now I just have to heal myself now every Valentine Day I have to go through
00:41:38
a little something on his birthday April 15th I have to go a little something you
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know I do have bad days I I have days where I wake up and I'd be like wow what would he have been doing
00:41:57
in his life today like would he have still been working at the hospital because days after his death I got a
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phone call from a woman that Sean had went through an interview in New York Presbyterian Hospital just serving
00:42:15
food he got the job I had to tell her what happened to him that woman had only met him on an interview and she cried
00:42:27
she said no that's that's that's that's not right that no and I said I'm sorry and she said I just met with him like we
00:42:39
she said after the interview they sat there and talked for hours she said like she had
00:42:46
to put like say okay I got to get back to work now and she already knew through her other interview she was going to
00:42:54
give him the job she just hung up that job was right across the street from the men's shelter
00:43:02
that I was working at at that time desire I'm so sorry for your loss I'm I'm so sorry that this that they didn't
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that this wasn't handled differently I'm sorry that they the DA has given up the
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fight when you never gave you you you had every look beaten down grieving the way that you you had to have been you
00:43:24
had every reason to give up the fight yourself you didn't you didn't give up the fight and they should have never
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have done so either is is there any is there anything that we that we missed or that we didn't that we didn't talk about
00:43:39
that you want to express what I would like to make a statement is to anyone that lose a family
00:43:53
member to such a violent Act never give up just keep trying to fight the good fight and if it does come down
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to where your hands are tied hopefully someone will reach out to you in order for you to be able to say
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what you need to say remove some of the anger that you was holding on to because
00:44:38
you didn't get what you thought you was going to get seek therapy and maybe just start Jing down
00:44:50
some notes and you might look up and be surprised that you know you have a little book that you could put out there
00:44:58
for people that do go through this and just keep hoping and praying that our system our justice system in New
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York get some [Music] guts this is one of the most brutal murders in the history of this
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City rashan's gome murder will forever trouble a dedicated detective who retired without solving it and will
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haunt rashan's mother who's had to live with it every [Music] day and if you'd like to hang out with
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