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true crime Clinton had integrated a number of corrupt cops judges and politicians into
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high-level positions to ensure the continued success of the drug smuggling money laundering operations always going
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well until a fateful night in the fall of 1987. on August 22nd 1987 Kevin had spent the
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night with his friend Don Henry they left Don's home around 12 30 or quarter to one
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on the 23rd of August and early morning hours and the next thing we knew they had been run over by a train there seems
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to be a small airstrip in the area there have been sidings and reports of small airplanes
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flying very low with lights off in the area I believe they saw something they shouldn't have seen
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three weeks later their desks were ruled accidental by the state medical examiner
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family Malik and we disagreed with that ruling because we thought the evidence pointed
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to homicide at that point we had a lot of questions and no answers and the facts didn't add up to what he
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was telling us so we decided to get a second opinion and met with resistance from all fronts
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both with our local law enforcement with State Crime Lab with everybody that we turn to
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we obtained court orders uh requesting samples of everything that the crime lab had for a second opinion
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and femi Malek [Music] um I resisted court orders he refused to obey them ultimately it was proven that
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Don Henry had been stabbed in the back and Kevin Ives skull had been crushed prior to the placement of their bodies
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on the railroad tracks however Malik stood by his ruling that the boys had simply fallen asleep on the tracks Malik
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had been kept in office at the insistence of Governor Clinton for a number of years despite vigorous public
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outcry to have him removed as long as Malik's rulings please the governor's office or State Police they
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were left to stand no matter how implausible Malik's obvious lack of medical knowledge reached a pinnacle when he
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ruled that James Milam who had been decapitated had died of natural causes yet Clinton who had the power to remove
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Malik from Office insisted he stayed there were allegations of tampering with evidence in murder cases
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there were allegations of perjury in different cases it didn't seem to matter what Mallet did Clinton
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protected him he made excuses such as he's overworked he's just stressed out he's underpaid
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they gave him a fourteen thousand dollar raise which was an insult to my family as well as a lot of others in the state
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who um to this day are struggling with asinine rulings in the deaths of children and
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other loved ones I was outraged that protecting a political crony of Clinton's was more important than the
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fact that two young boys had been murdered Dan Harmon was just a local attorney in
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the town of Benton Arkansas and after Don Henry and Kevin Ives were killed and their bodies placed on
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the tracks run over by Terrain he approached Linda Ives in the Henry family about trying to help him
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he's a manipulator he gives a great closing argument in court he's been trained for years to play the
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game he knows how to do it he's very good at it Harmon can win your confidence make you think he's the greatest guy in
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the world he did that to Linda Ives he helped lead them down a path that absolutely led to Nowhere on this
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case I got involved in the case and immediately harming uh tried to discredit me without even
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knowing me couldn't figure it out I run across a young lady named Charlene Wilson
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who told a horror story that I didn't really believe at the time so I started searching for evidence to
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substantiate just part of what she had said Herman went ballistic called he threatened me threatened
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Sheriff Pridgen threatened Captain Jean Donald the chief deputy all because I talked to this one woman
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the people at the track that night to my knowledge were Dan Harmon Keith mccaskill Larry Rochelle
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on Sunday August 23 1987 two teenage boys were run over by a train traveling through Bryant Arkansas What followed
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was an investigation by local law enforcement this is the Saline County Sheriff's Office who refused to
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investigate this as a possible homicide they saw no evidence of Foul Play but they weren't really looking for any
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publicly the Sheriff's Office spoke of the incident as though it were an accident and to the families of the two
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teenagers 17 year old Kevin Ives and 16 year old Don Henry they talked as if this were a likely suicide the medical
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examiner this is the captain's friend Fami Malik ruled the deaths an accident due to marijuana intoxication well he
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ruled these deaths at accident due to his stupidity months after the deaths two men present themselves to the
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families of the boys this is Rich Garrett and he brings in Dan Harmon who is appointed as a special prosecutor in
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this matter working with the grand jury trying to piece together a double murder
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case and Garrett and Harman will help out in this case they do get it overturned from an accidental death to a
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possible murder yes and then they start investigating looking for the killer or killers of these two boys last week we
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took you through the night the two boys were run over the medical examiner's findings and even though the Sheriff's
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Office and the medical examiner both decided this was an accident we showed you a second autopsy which showed
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significant evidence that both boys were dead before they were placed on the tracks and that both boys were murdered
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and placed there so that their bodies and all other evidence would be destroyed and we can clearly see that
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Don was stabbed in the back and we also can see that Kevin was he had a skull fracture somebody and we have
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eyewitnesses that saw possibly a police officer hitting him with a object in the
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face probably the very rifle that the two boys were carrying that night very possible fluids in the body pointed
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toward a slower death for both and not a sudden death like that of a being run over by a train and eyewitness
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statements regarding the lack of blood and the color of the blood proving that the blood itself was not fresh
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we also talked about witness statements many of these given to the Arkansas State Police two witnesses placed Dan
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Harmon at the tracks the night that the boys died this is why the case is so odd
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is because you have this guy this prosecutor that comes forward and says hey you know this lawyer that says hey I
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can help this family I can bring some justice oh it was an accident on death it was a murder and we're going to find
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this person but then the more you dig you realize this person that's claiming they're going to help you they're
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they're the ones that people are saying it possibly is uh responsible for these murders yes exactly now we do have to
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introduce a man by the name of Barry seal Barry seal was a gun Runner and a drug runner in the 80s Barry would
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arrange for privately owned planes to fly guns to Colombia and on return flights he was bringing drugs back into
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the United States at least one pilot has come forward who claimed to have many times flown a drug drop at the place
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where the boys had died some of the local law enforcement was in charge of securing these drops and just prior to
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Kevin and Don's deaths a drop at that location had gone missing so those local law enforcements that that were involved
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in this operation well they were on high alert they were waiting for somebody to
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try to steal that next drop and then that night Kevin Ives and Don Henry happened by let's get to each one of the
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eyewitnesses and what happened with them after they came forward with information
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well we should start off with the big one and this is Charlene Wilson she had the statement saying that the people at
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the tracks that night were Dan Harmon Keith mccaskill and Larry Rochelle she also said that she believed that the
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boys were watching the drop site and that they got curious about what was being dropped there well we know that
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Charlene Wilson she ends up in prison yeah and who puts her in prison uh our good friend Dan Harmon right right
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well we got to put her in prison so she stops running her mouth right and the thing is that the thing that's crazy
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about her confession is that this was a confession that was she gave this confession written confession in her in
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her own in our own writing and this is witnessed by three officials three law law
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enforcement officials and we know that because their signatures are on her confession well when I normally confess
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to something I do it in somebody else's handwriting well she confesses in front of these three people in 1993 and then
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this confession goes nowhere none of these law enforcement officials do anything with this confession it's
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buried in the crime file right and in the case File and it's not discovered again until 2015. right just to play a
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little devil's advocate here though is it a coincidence though that she is put in jail by Dan Harmon you know put away
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to keep her quiet or is she coming out later saying uh he was involved in these murders which maybe he was maybe he
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wasn't we also had several witnesses who placed two Pulaski County officers this
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is Kirk Lane and Jay Campbell as not only being in the area where the boys were killed but as having been seen and
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I'll quote one of the witnesses statements as beating the [ __ ] out of the two boys near the grocery store down
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by the tracks the first man was who we simply just know as Jerry who was described as a Mexican looking man in a
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dark blue Camaro right Jerry after telling Mike crook that he had witnessed the two boys being beat up and thrown
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into the back of an unmarked police car he went and told this story to sheriff Jim Steed now pay attention because
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that's a name that's going to come up several times Jim Steed was the Boss Hogg at Saline County he was the sheriff
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he was running the Sheriff's Office Jim Steed threw Jerry into jail and locked him up for 90 days for unpaid child
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support the day that Jerry gets out of jail he tells Jim crook that he was told to leave town or else and that he was
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moving to California Jerry did leave town we don't know exactly where he went but he's not been seen again and Jim
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Crook's story was presented to the Arkansas State Police several months after the fact and they made what I
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would argue to be no effort to identify this this man that we only know as Jerry
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well first of all like I said sketchy Jerry you gotta pay for your kids you know if
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you have child support pay for your damn kids right that's one uh two who knows where you went off to
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it's it's a little weird it's definitely weird but uh it's weird too that obviously they had reason to
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lock him up for the child support so they know his name and why they're you know maybe they're just not releasing to
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the public for his protection or maybe something Foul Play happen and they don't want that to be brought to life or
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does Jim Steed have a bigger role in this whole thing the other witness was Ronnie Godwin who
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stated that he had observed two police officers beat up two boys at the grocery store the night Kevin and Don were
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killed Ronald is more like a convenience store Ronnie Godwin gave his statement to the police and we should be very
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clear about this he gave this statement to police during the time of the investigation now Linda Ives she's the
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mother of kavan Ives and Gene Duffy who is a former Saline County prosecutor and
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I want to put quotation marks up here she's one of the good ones Gene Duffy interviewed Godwin 11 years after the
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murders and Godwin's statements were identical to the statements that he had given to the police at the time of the
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investigation also included in the state police report were these interviews with Godwin's mother sister
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and girlfriend in which they all reported to have said that when Ronnie drinks he tells lies but we need to keep
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in mind that when Godwin was interviewed by the state police in 1988 he had get he had been in jail for a couple weeks
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before given the statement so he was he would have been sober at this time now Linda and Gene also contacted Ronnie's
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mother to discuss her statements to the state police about Ronnie she told them that she had never been interviewed by
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the state police she also was certain that neither Godwin's sister or girlfriend had been interviewed by the
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state police either so if this is true then the state police had manufactured interviews of witnesses to discredit
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Ronnie Godwin well yeah I think it was this I think it was this simple we don't get we don't have to kill this guy
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because he's a drunk yeah he's got a bad reputation we can smear his reputation he's pretty drunk he's a liar
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this this is not going to go anywhere so we don't have to we don't have to knock
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this guy off but the thing we do have to remember Captain is that Ronnie told almost the
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same story as Jerry did this lining up with Jerry's story corroborating both stories Godwin via right but but but
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Jerry is one he's Shady he's a dirt bag doesn't pay for his kids and he left town so now he's already smeared now we
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got this guy with a drinking problem just because you have a drinking problem doesn't mean you're a liar now Godwin
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stated that he did not tell anyone what he had witnessed that night until he reported it to police
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um he also believes that the two officers that killed the boys that night that they saw him as he passed by the
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store and probably recognized his car another state police interview States Richard Garrett remember this is Dan
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Harmon's sidekick rushed over to interview Godwin a second time right it would seem that officials were taking
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Godwin's statement seriously as it turns out they were only serious about discrediting Godwin right following the
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interviews with Godwin there was no attempt to identify the cops that Godwin had saw no photos of local officers or
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unmarked cars were shown to him no check of officers in the area that night who would fit the description there was no
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check for traces of blood or other evidence in the back of any of the unmarked cars nothing just discrediting
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Godwin statements by fabricating interviews with his mother sister and girlfriend stating that when Ronnie
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drinks Ronnie lies the only true effort to identify Jerry was the state police stating that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin
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were one in the same right so it was shady Jerry actually Godwin well Godwin was shown the state police interview
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with Mike Crook and he simply states that he and crook knew each other crook at the time was married to Godwin's
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cousin and so Godwin presented his story to police so there's no reason for crook
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to call Godwin Jerry when he knew him furthermore Godwin has never been jailed for back child support in fact Godwin
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has always had custody of his only child crook also confirmed that Jerry and Ronnie Godwin were not the same person
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they don't come out and say who Shady Jerry is they just said oh well he was in jail and then he disappeared and we
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don't know what happened to him and now we got this other guy Godwin and Godwin is just a drunk right so that takes care
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of two eyewitnesses but see here's where things start to get a little scary here
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Captain both Jerry and Godwin they describe three boys driving up to the grocery store on a motorcycle
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Don Henry two yes Kevin Ives and who's the third one well we have we have they State the two boys get off of the
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motorcycle and around that same time officers Campbell and Lane arrive the boy on the motorcycle takes off now this
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has to be Keith Coney a young man who told his mother he knew some stuff about the night the boys were murdered right a
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young man who told his father he had seen Kevin and Don the night that they were killed and he believed the two were
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killed by two police officers all three of these stories align with one another three people that do not know each other
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and the same story is told independently of each other now Keith also had said that he was afraid for his life because
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he knew too much about Kevin's and Don's murders now Coney was killed in 1988 in
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a motorcycle crash this was nine months after Kevin and Don were murdered the official report was that Coney had run
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his motorcycle into the back of a semi truck traveling at a high rate of speed now Keith Coney was one of the last
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people to be seen with Kevin and Donna live Keith had been called to testify he was subpoenaed by Dan Harmon to testify
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in front of the grand jury now there are many people that say that his death had
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not been a highway accident that these Witnesses had said that Keith was attempting to escape an attack that he
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had jumped on his bike and tried to flee at a high rate of speed and he was actually being chased by a vehicle when
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he swerved into the back of the truck Witnesses saw Keith's body they reported that his throat had been slashed and he
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had several wounds that the witnesses did not believe would have been caused by a vehicle accident right so another
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case where we have and who was the medical examiner on that uh Fami Malik right so Fami again is going ah well
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look this is just just death by motorcycle well I don't even know how Fami talks he sounds
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stupid anyways he probably said look this is just a simple death it's a motorcycle accident that's all that
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happens it's not a motorcycle accident if your throat is slashed yeah if you're escaping an attack you're being chased
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by a vehicle at a high rate of speed right that's called Murder there was also reason to believe that Keith was
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selling drugs and was involved with some of the local dealers so he might have known some of these people at play here
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right but I think this is part of the story that I don't really like and we can get into this later when we talk
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about our own theories but this whole thing about you know Don Henry and and Kevin eyes they were they were going out
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there and they're going to steal these drugs right from some drug lords right that oh by the way they're the the guy
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that ended up dead on the motorcycle oh he sold drugs too I think it's an easy way to tarnish you know and not saying
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that these kids maybe didn't smoke pot maybe drink a little bit maybe even sold it from time to time but I don't think
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there were known drug dealers and I'm not trying to tarnish Keith's name or Kevin or Dawn's names either better not
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um I with with Keith I just simply bring it up because because he may have known some of the
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stuff that was going on if if in fact he was uh selling drugs for somebody he may
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have known these people that were out that night it wouldn't just be that oh it was two police officers oh it was uh
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this group of guys and I don't know who they are I'm just bringing up that he may have had some connection with these
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people well no and the other thing about it is after the Coney leaves on his motorcycle he actually went to uh the
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Wagon Wheel yes which was the bar and he told and that's when he told Keith mccaskill yeah old mccaskill so you know
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there is some validity because you know there is there's rumors that mccaskill was selling drugs or part of the drug
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running so then why would Keith go talk to him right if he didn't know him exactly if he did know him he'd probably
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know him through but this is also a weird time because this is 1987 right okay and and when I
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graduated high school 99 and you remember this because and our band would play yes I was alive and
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around in 99. well we had you know the metal band that we played in and would play gigs and we'd have parties and
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stuff to kind of like promote the shows and stuff like that and just kind of typical things but we'd normally have
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mostly high school kids but there would always be like a group of college age kids yeah or even late 20s something
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yeah and now of days like you could not pay me to go hang out with high school kids yeah I I wonder I
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always I didn't Wonder back then but once I got to be 28 29 I wondered what those 28 29 year olds were even doing
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hanging out I think you got to be a pretty big loser as well I think is going on that you got
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to hang out with these young people which makes it a little more odd that Coney would go talk to mccaskill so hold
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on to your seats because we're going to get into some super creepy stories right
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after this quick beer break thank you welcome back to True Crime garage all right Captain we have to Cheers mates
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cheers mates we have to introduce a man by the name of Gregory Collins now it is
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believed that Collins had information on the Kevin Ives and Don Henry deaths in January of 1989
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Gregory Collins died from three shotgun blasts fired at a close range now one shot hit Collins in the face his body
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was discovered in a Pine Forest in a County south of saline Collins had been called to testify to the grand jury but
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he had never appeared now newspaper reports that Garrett and Harman questioned him privately about the
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trained death case right question him or threaten him I guess depends on how you
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look at it the strange thing here though Captain is you know little is known about what he may have known about this
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case he may have known something because apparently he was in interviewed or like
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you said possibly threatened by Garrett and Harman in private um but he he is shot three times with a
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shotgun now we have a little more Fami Malik Shenanigans going on here because this is one that Fami Malik would rule a
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suicide so if you believe the medical examiner okay just say it slowly for me say say
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this stupidity slowly for me okay so if you are to believe the medical examiner Fami Malik then you would have to
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believe that Gregory Collins drove out to a remote place went into the forest with a shotgun and managed to shoot
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himself three times and one of those shots being to the face where presumably that's the shot that killed him it's not
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impossible that somebody could shoot themselves three times uh but I find it highly unlikely with a shotgun it would
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be very it would be extremely hard to do to shoot oneself three times with the shotgun you know that's just fomi being
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fomi you know that's just fomi being farmy yeah that's just fomi doing whatever the hell he wants uh yeah or
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what he's paid to do by others you're exactly right that's the other thing too it's like I'm not saying that he's a
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dumbass he might not actually be a dumbass but when you have higher ups that are right one writing your check
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and you got people yeah eyewitnesses dying around you well what the hell are you going to do
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here's the other thing though Captain too we talked about remember Fami Malek got a nice he got a handsome uh
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promotion well not a promotion but he got a raise well yeah and I said I think 43 but it's a 41 raise which was
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announced to be what like 14 000 was the actual the the money amount there was fourteen thousand so if that's a 40
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let's just say it's a 40 raise so that means he's making and I'm gonna show my dumb math here but that would mean he's
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making in the ballpark of what 40 to 45 000 a year before that raise give or take yeah so now he's making under 60.
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uh I would think that people that are importing pounds of cocaine and moving them would have the means of buying Mr
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Malik off pretty cheap probably if the guy's only making 60 Grand a year it probably doesn't take a whole boatload
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of money to get him to say you know what not only do we need you to say that this
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was either an accident or a suicide but you're the medical examiner nobody else is going to follow up on this whatever
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you rule this is probably what it's going to sit as forever but they but they did follow up on many cases if you
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know I mean like people eventually started going hey there's something wrong and that's what frustrates me
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about this whole case yeah is not only did you know families came forward and said hey
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something's not right another the powers that be going all the way up to Bill Clinton which was this Governor
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at the time he wasn't president at the time but goes all the way up to that jack wagon right and he comes back and
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says Hey look it's none of my business I I think he's doing a pretty good job yeah he's doing a great job yes [ __ ] you
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Bill okay all right calm down there Captain well this is just you know it's ridiculous I mean three shots you know
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three shotgun shots to the face well one to the face right two to the chest right
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but you're gonna shoot yourself twice in the chest and then one in the face let's
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keep in mind a shotgun's a pretty powerful shot too that'd be really hard to do anyways yes I mean The Recoil
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alone would probably mess up your hand on some level or I would argue that nobody would that very few people would
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even have the strength remaining after one shot to fire an additional two shots I mean it's this is just asinine really
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next we have Daniel Bearden who went by the name of boonie boonie was from Alexander Arkansas
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about six weeks after they discovered Gregory Collins body in the forest uh police began searching another remote
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area for the body of this boonie guy and he had he was another person that was asked to testify to the grand jury it's
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probably suicide well he he was actually missing for about eight months at the time that they started searching for him
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so they were in no hurry to go looking for him right um police they only went out there
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because they received information that he was buried near the Arkansas River they went out there and they searched
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and they found nothing um so this guy is is unaccounted for suspected to have been killed and buried
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somewhere now a person by the name of Woodrow May testified that he Woodrow was the middleman and a local drug trade
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but he also stated that three other people had similar arrangements with the guy that he was getting his drugs from
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and in this statement he also says that two of these people Harmon knew personally and may have had some kind of
00:33:07
arrangement with them the reason why I bring up Woodrow is because in that same statement Woodrow stated that boonie was
00:33:14
one of his distributors so again we're seeing the drug trade the drug trafficking right going on wrapped
00:33:21
around this whole case right and this also brings us to eyewitness James Milam yeah we talked about Milam a little bit
00:33:28
earlier but we didn't identify him by name um he had information regarding the Ives
00:33:34
and Henry deaths as well he was scheduled he was you know they had a long list of people that they were going
00:33:39
to talk to with the grand jury he was on that list he didn't get the opportunity
00:33:45
to do so though remember he was the guy that was found decapitated but Fami Malik had ruled that it was a it was
00:33:53
natural causes that he had died from in all of an ulcer yeah yeah yeah which apparently that that you have an ulcer
00:33:59
your head pops off that's that's according to Fami Malik that's what happened and
00:34:05
um and we here's the crazy thing he's decapitated and Fami Malik claims that the dog ate the head right ate the
00:34:16
head of the of of his owner now the thing here is his whole story got all screwed up when do we know what kind of
00:34:24
dog that is uh because I'm not it's probably a very small one I'm in the market to buy a dog and I'm not buying
00:34:32
that kind of dog okay so that's what Fami Malek said because when I die from an ulcer and your head pops off I do not
00:34:38
want my dog eating my head okay but listen to this Camp though Malik says that the dog ate the head right
00:34:45
okay then there's a big problem with his finding because the police shortly after
00:34:52
Malik gives this ruling they find the head right they find the head and then Malik's like well that's because the dog
00:34:59
regurgitated it that he threw up he ate the head and then he puked and puked it up right the more the more we cover this
00:35:06
story the more I just think that he has paid or knows that if you don't cooperate
00:35:14
you're gonna die of an ulcer and your head's going to pop off as well I I look I don't think it's stupidity I don't
00:35:20
think I don't think any doctor is that dumb I think I really the more we talk about it
00:35:27
the more I think that his hands were tied and he knew if he didn't follow you know the powers that be that he's going
00:35:36
to end up worm food I think you might be on to something there you he he could have been afraid he could have been
00:35:43
being paid under the table by some of these people or could have been a combination of both which is probably
00:35:48
what is most likely um the thing here is though you know while we're on Fami Malik story here
00:35:54
that he started off as an assistant to the medical examiner and very quickly the medical examiner retired and he
00:36:01
basically assumed the role of medical examiner well and I wonder how long that guy worked for and and was he was he
00:36:10
supposed to retire or was he just somebody that was not going to work within their system he was
00:36:17
made to retire that's who I'm saying that's a good question we we don't know that but what we do know is that what
00:36:22
was discovered after Fami Malik had been the medical examiner right for like seven it was either seven to nine years
00:36:29
somewhere in that ballpark they realized because of some of these cases that Malik actually did not have the
00:36:36
qualifications to be a medical examiner he only had the qualifications to be an assistant so they realized this he
00:36:43
wasn't even qualified for that probably right and they realized this after he's been running the show for almost 10
00:36:49
years yeah but it's not you know Bill Clinton can't do nothing about it well listen to this whole story they they the
00:36:55
governor's office there here's their statement they say that it's not their problem because
00:37:01
they're supposed to be a medical examiner's commission this is a group of people that review and decide who is
00:37:06
qualified for this position and who is not so when Fami Malek took over the position they should have reviewed his
00:37:13
qualifications reviewed him as a candidate and either accepted him or turned him down for the
00:37:19
role the problem is when people started going back in in interviewing this medical examiner's commission that
00:37:25
supposedly existed well the people that were supposed to be on the commission said yeah I was on
00:37:32
that commission at one point but we haven't met for like 10 or 12 years we've not met about anything for 10 or
00:37:37
12 years I didn't know I was supposed to still be on that commission well then the governor's office then says well
00:37:43
because this commission didn't do their job there's nothing that we can do about
00:37:47
it we cannot remove we we can't remove we can't remove him now and at some point after it was discovered he wasn't
00:37:54
qualified he did seek out whatever training or knowledge he needed or you know to to become qualified for the
00:38:01
position eventually right well because he just got won a a 41 raise and then he's getting probably Kickbacks and look
00:38:09
and again there's the fear element when your Governor is helping other people run drugs
00:38:18
then and and and some boys stumble upon that 16 and 17 year old boy stumbles upon that and they are murdered and they
00:38:29
put their bodies on tracks to be ran over by trains you might fall in line too I mean you might do what they tell
00:38:38
you to do well when the officials of Arkansas were asked why would you give Fami Malek a a pay raise when we have
00:38:47
people in the community hold on because we're selling drugs people that's what they should have said Bill Clinton
00:38:53
should have said hey we're selling drugs and we need somebody to cover our ass and that's why we gave him a pay raise
00:39:00
but the thing here is we they had people they had families they had people in the
00:39:05
community basically picketing and calling for Fami Malek's Job saying fire this dude we don't trust this guy we
00:39:12
can't feel safe living here if this is what's going to be happening and basically the official said that you
00:39:19
know because they were asked why the hell would you give this guy a pay raise when all these people were calling for
00:39:23
his job right and they they stated go ahead well and it's not just the Henry family and the Ives family that aren't
00:39:30
getting answers because a lot of all these victims and it's then multiply it by all their family and friends and
00:39:37
those are the people paying your salary but at the end of the day you think Bill Clinton gives a [ __ ] do
00:39:45
you think anybody in power that's getting paid a bunch of money actually gives a [ __ ]
00:39:49
you know if they're running drugs if they're willing to kill a 16 and 17 year old person do you think they actually
00:39:55
give a [ __ ] and for all the people right now that are listening going well this
00:39:59
is just a conspiracy this ain't conspiracy this is a fact we're stating facts this is not conspiracy but but the
00:40:07
funny thing is here these these officials talk out of both sides of their mouths no [ __ ] because what
00:40:12
happens here is when when he's first awarded the pay raise they they stay they say that you know what Fami Malik
00:40:20
is a victim in this whole circumstance and that he deserves to be you know treated with respect right and and to
00:40:27
show him such we gave him a pay raise well then when they come back and they ask them later there's all these people
00:40:33
in the community saying he should be fired how can you give him a pay raise then they State well he's due to retire
00:40:40
soon so we applied that pay raise to him not for him personally but as a position
00:40:46
we were upgrading the pay to that position so that when he does retire higher we could recruit a more you know
00:40:53
suitable candidate for this position well you know how they always have answers don't they well you're right
00:40:57
because when you're high on cocaine you come up with a million answers all at once well let's keep going with this
00:41:06
list here Captain because it just keeps growing and growing next on the list is Richard Winters uh who was actually at
00:41:13
one point he was he was considered to be a possible suspect in the deaths of Kevin Ives and Don Henry
00:41:20
um he had he had he had offered to cooperate with the grand jury and with Garrett and Harman at some point
00:41:29
um but again before he could do so okay he ends up being killed by a shotgun blast to the face
00:41:37
um but this was during a robbery in July of 1989. now it's it's not been proven um but but it's it's widely believed
00:41:48
that the robbery was was not so much robbery that it was more of a setup right okay
00:41:53
we're gonna have this robbery situation and one guy's going to end up dead in it
00:41:58
and conveniently it's somebody that's offering to cooperate with the grand jury and and maybe divulge what he may
00:42:06
know about the deaths of these two teenagers I think it's pretty obvious by now that
00:42:11
everybody that we bring up on this list is going to end up dead at some point I told you this episode should be called
00:42:17
Murder yeah well the thing here is one of the one of the stranger ones to me is Keith mccaskill yeah now shortly before
00:42:26
Keith mccaskill was murdered I have nightmares about this yeah he he told people that he believed he was going to
00:42:33
be murdered he he was telling his family members goodbye he was making funeral arrangements he was telling his friends
00:42:40
goodbye um he was also telling his friends and family that like he was being followed
00:42:46
by by the two police officers that we had mentioned earlier that were Lane and Campbell that were supposed to be
00:42:53
involved in the deaths of the two teenagers he was also pointing out vehicles to his friends and family
00:42:59
stating you know what I know that car's been following me for quite some time um the thing here is that the a big
00:43:06
problem with this story is remember we talked about Sheriff Jim Steed well there was an election coming up in 1988
00:43:15
and it was for the the office of of sheriff now the thing is here that mccaskill
00:43:22
on the night of the sheriff's election in 1988 he was out with a bunch of people and he made a big announcement at
00:43:29
this bar and he held up two pennies he pulled two pennies out of his pocket threw them at the bar yeah and he stated
00:43:36
he said if Jim Steed loses this election my life isn't worth two cents and believe it or not shortly after that he
00:43:44
was killed okay so did he lose the election yeah Jim Steed lost the election that night
00:43:51
and within 48 Hours uh Keith mccaskill was murdered but how he was murdered is what creeps me out yeah so a quick
00:44:00
description here which I think is very fitting for Keith mccaskill uh which is necessary I mean uh he managed a place
00:44:07
called the weak The Wagon Wheel Lounge uh and he was considered to be a big dude he was six foot two uh he weighed
00:44:15
about uh 200 pounds or so um he was a bit of a legend for breaking up bar room fights several people told
00:44:22
stories of him breaking up fights that involved weapons sometimes even knives and he would without a weapon go into
00:44:28
this fight and break it up because he was a bad hombre yeah and but but mccaskill might have been a bit of a
00:44:34
weird dude though because he was he was a known drug user he was suspected of selling drugs he had a lot of friends in
00:44:41
low places but he had a lot of police friends as well that's sky is just all sorts of bad country songs he works at
00:44:49
the Wagon Wheel he has Friends in Low Places yeah it but but the the funny thing here though to me Captain is we
00:44:56
talk about all these misdoings by these public officials and by uh police officers and sheriffs you know deputies
00:45:04
and things like that right and you know to call somebody a weird dude saying that he's got a lot of friends that are
00:45:09
in low places but he also has a lot of friends that are police as well I don't think it's that weird in this situation
00:45:15
because it seems to me like some of the police were in Pretty Low Places themselves right right that's exactly
00:45:21
right now Dan Harmon told Linda Ives and others that mccaskill was acting as an informant in the murder case agreeing to
00:45:30
pass along any information that he had heard in the nightclub but more importantly you know according to
00:45:35
Charlene Wilson's statement mccaskill was at the tracks the night that the boys were killed right and it is also
00:45:42
believed that Keith Cooney went on to to find mccaskill and tell him what he had
00:45:47
saw at the tracks or what he had saw near the grocery store that night with the police officers beating up his
00:45:52
friends so on November 10 1988 this like we said this is just two days after the
00:45:58
sheriff's election this takes place around 1 30 a.m a neighbor of Keith mccaskill's said that he had heard some
00:46:06
loud groaning noises coming from mccaskill's home uh this woke him up in the middle of the night he go he goes to
00:46:12
the window and he's looking around and he sees nothing but what he says is that it sounded as if someone had drank way
00:46:19
too much and was vomiting right uh the following morning a lady friend of mccaskill's came to his home and
00:46:27
discovered his body so what happened how did he die well mccaskill's body was wrapped in a flower patterned shower
00:46:34
curtain and he was laying in the carport area of his home this is near a door that was going to his kitchen he's
00:46:40
covered in blood his house inside the home completely covered in blood as well there had been an obvious fight and that
00:46:50
lasted probably quite some time that had left blood everywhere mccaskill had been
00:46:54
stabbed over a hundred times Jesus um the stab that most likely killed him was there was one to the heart uh all of
00:47:02
the stab wounds were above the waist showing that mccaskill had defended himself and probably doing it quite well
00:47:09
uh making the fight last a lot longer than maybe his attackers would have thought it would have a lot of the
00:47:16
slashes and stabs were to the arms and the hands showing that not only was he defending himself but he was going after
00:47:24
the knife that was stabbing him well it sounds like he had an ulcer yeah this is
00:47:27
this is probably natural causes or at the very least an accidental death right according to Fami Malek no of course it
00:47:35
was ruled a murder um but but here's where it gets weird well actually not of course in this case
00:47:41
that's like not of course yeah you're right you you have to be like ex you know acceptable yeah you're like oh
00:47:47
finally um well now we we should talk about Ronald Shane Smith Ronald Shane Smith
00:47:54
was a neighbor of mccaskill's right now what had happened was when the police after after the the friend the female
00:48:02
friend found mccaskill's body she calls it in the police are there investigating
00:48:07
whatever's going on and Ronald's father goes across the street and he says you know what I think you should talk to my
00:48:14
son because I think he knows something about what has happened here right so they talked to the Sun
00:48:21
uh now now Ronald Shane Smith is 19 years old at the time and he's he's considered slow at school that's
00:48:30
mentally handicapped not my words these are other people's words um the thing here is he tells them that
00:48:37
he was over at mccaskill's place and that he he had gone there to purchase I believe he purchased a silver tray and
00:48:46
some pornographic uh videotapes from mccaskill the tray was going to be a gift for his mother the tapes were
00:48:53
something for himself right and uh he had owed mccaskill money so he went over there to pay him some of the money that
00:48:59
he owed him and while they were there he said that mccaskill was acting strange he was looking out the window stating
00:49:06
that people were following him and as he's been calling this for weeks yeah and he says then at some point
00:49:13
three men they they pull up in a vehicle they bust through the door yeah but what
00:49:19
were these guys wearing there were there were three men wearing clown masks [ __ ] no well no so well that's what
00:49:28
that's what they were wearing but could you imagine well we do have Stephen King's It coming out
00:49:34
very soon yes but what I'm saying is if three dudes in clown masks showed up to my house oh Abby yeah you're hoping that
00:49:42
it's one of your friends are acting nuts I mean I'd be scared by the same time I'd be thinking I'm going to kick one of
00:49:47
these dudes in the dick well uh according to Ronald Shane Smith two of the guys had knives and one of
00:49:55
them had a gun and the the guy with the gun the clown with the gun comes up to Ronald and he forces him into a chair
00:50:02
holding him at gunpoint a fight breaks out between mccaskill and the other two guys that are holding knives
00:50:10
at some point during the fight the the gunman takes Ronald outside and he says that during this time he
00:50:19
could hear mccaskill in the home being killed uh you'd think they would just shoot him
00:50:25
and then would it you know with the when the struggle happened you'd think that the guy with the gun would have just
00:50:30
shot him and just took off yeah well here's the thing here's what really that was my whole
00:50:37
thing I was like why the hell wouldn't they just shoot this witness right but then I also got to thinking about
00:50:43
well if mccaskill was killed in a situation where it was a hit where it was a planned murder
00:50:50
well why would why would you bother fighting with mccaskill anyway because if you just you I wouldn't want to fight
00:50:58
with mccaskill it sounds like he could handle himself and and many others at the same time right he was a ballroom
00:51:03
brawler man and the thing is they obviously wanted to keep this quiet you can't just show up you can't just show
00:51:10
up to someone's home in a neighborhood and guns blasting everywhere and go unnoticed silence sir the the thing here
00:51:17
is you know so what they did according to Ronald Smith is that they gave him the knife and they told him that if he
00:51:27
didn't stab uh mccaskill they were going to shoot him and so he stabs mccaskill and they take a picture a Polaroid
00:51:37
picture of him at that time and they tell him that they're going to keep this for evidence if you ever come after us
00:51:43
if we if you tell on us we're going to frame you for this murder and again his IQ was something around 80. so this is a
00:51:51
lot of stuff and a lot of details that come up with out of nowhere it is uh the story doesn't end there uh
00:51:59
we'll get it back to that but the I didn't really want to I didn't really want to report on what
00:52:05
his supposed IQ was because I've seen some varying you know we we noticed this with West Memphis Three and several
00:52:11
other cases that we've covered that the IQ seems to be something that people argue you know people that would be for
00:52:18
some kind of conspiracy they're going to lower his IQ when they tell the story and people that think that Ronald Smith
00:52:24
is guilty they're going to raise that IQ right the other thing that's been in question I've seen different reports of
00:52:31
ha of the size of this 19 year old boy because there's been a lot of people that said well you know he was only five
00:52:39
eight 148 pounds there's no way that he could have taken down Keith mccaskill who was six foot two over 200 pounds bar
00:52:47
room brawler uh but I don't bring a fist to a knife fight but I've also seen reports that have uh Ronald Smith being
00:52:55
as tall as 5 foot 11 and 180 pounds which is not a big discrepancy between the two men exactly exactly but his
00:53:05
story does change upon further questioning the story changes too that it was not three men in
00:53:13
clown mask it was five men that were dressed head to toe in Black uh that they came in but but there's a lot of
00:53:20
similarities they came in they busted through the door they took over the situation they controlled Ronald Smith
00:53:27
and and they attacked Keith mccaskill um they did find they found blood everywhere in that home this fight
00:53:35
lasted for quite some time and he believed Ronald Smith reported that he believed that the men that the attack
00:53:42
took somewhere between 30 and 40 minutes to take place the strange thing here though too is Jim Steed you remember the
00:53:49
uh the the outgoing Sheriff who lost the election well he had hired mccaskill to
00:53:55
take aerial photos of the of the tracks of of the area where the boys were were killed
00:54:02
um we don't know I don't know if he ever successfully carried out those photographs now he did have a briefcase
00:54:09
in his home that had blood all over it and it was opened and and it wasn't full you know it wasn't stuffed to the brim
00:54:18
with with with items so some people would believe that something was stolen from that briefcase
00:54:26
um it could have been aerial photos it could have been it could have been drugs there was also rumors that mccaskill was
00:54:32
making audio tapes of what he knew about the murders and what he and who he knew
00:54:38
was involved that way if something did happen to him that maybe police or maybe one of the actual good guys would find
00:54:46
one of these cassette tapes yeah if there was a good guy left yeah it's it's getting hard to find any good people
00:54:52
left now the police they did go and they found some of these some items in Ron Smith's possession
00:55:00
um out behind his home they had found the silver tray that he had talked about purchasing some videotapes and they
00:55:08
found some bloody clothes now in Ron Smith's story though he says remember he says that he was told to to stab uh
00:55:17
mccaskill as mccaskill was already dead uh but he was also he also said that he had
00:55:24
fallen on the body at some point and got blood all over himself right um it's difficult here Captain because
00:55:33
you could make a strong argument either way in this case to me but when I keep seeing name after name of people that
00:55:40
are being called to the grand jury and they keep dying um it it seems to me like mccaskill's
00:55:46
murder is probably not a one-off committed by this Ron Smith it's probably connected to this whole voice
00:55:52
on the track situation um now Ronald Smith ends up being convicted of the murder of Keith
00:56:00
mccaskill which my gut feeling says that is another tragic point of this story yeah and next we have Jeff Rhodes now
00:56:09
Jeff Rhodes was the young man from Benton Arkansas who was he ended up being murdered in 1989 but shortly
00:56:16
before his death he made a phone call to his father in Texas stating that he needed to get out of Arkansas and that
00:56:24
he felt that he knew way too much about the boys on the railroad tracks and the death of Keith mccaskill a couple weeks
00:56:32
after this phone call that's when Jeff is found dead he had been shot in the head and he was they had attempted
00:56:39
whoever killed him attempted to cut off his head and hands and feet they were unsuccessful with the hands
00:56:47
and feet and they had also set him on fire now they found his body in a landfill these are just Savage people
00:56:56
yeah the thing is though we have Jeff Rhodes he's he's missing for just a week right but but shortly after he's
00:57:04
reported missing his father re reaches out to the Sheriff's investigators and states that you know he called me a week
00:57:11
ago asking if I could find him a job here in Texas because he needed to leave Arkansas and this is why he needed to
00:57:18
leave Arkansas and he said there was never any follow-up even after they had found his body they didn't reach back
00:57:25
out to him to further inquire what Jeff Rhodes could have been talking about and
00:57:30
somehow they linked the death of Jeff Rhodes to this guy named Frank pelcher he's ultimately arrested and charged
00:57:38
with murder he's convicted and sentenced to life now we got to keep in mind here
00:57:44
because of what took place in 1987 Dan Harmon he's he's a quote-unquote special prosecutor he's assigned this role he's
00:57:53
he's certainly special right but he's not technically he's not an elected prosecutor uh he's assigned this role in
00:58:00
the in the the specific case of Don Henry and Kevin Ives Now by 1990 he is the elected prosecutor and so now he has
00:58:11
all this additional power so some of these cases that we're seeing coming about where the murder would take place
00:58:17
in in 1989 some of these people were probably convicted and prosecuted by Dan Harmon
00:58:25
well he had a lot of covering up to do and that leads us to Jordan ketelsen now Jordan kettleson he was believed to have
00:58:34
had information regarding Kevin Ives and Don Henry's deaths he was also believed that he might have
00:58:41
been a part of mccaskill's murder now he was found shot to death in his front in
00:58:47
the front seat of his pickup truck in June of 1990. now there was no police investigation regarding his homicide
00:58:57
his body was cremated before an autopsy could be performed why I have no clue well because the autopsies were so bad
00:59:04
anyways so you know hey let's just not even get old Fami involved is probably an ulcer anyways and and I
00:59:12
don't have definitive information about this but it could be a situation where the police ruled it a suicide you know
00:59:19
he's found shot in in his vehicle right um but again we've talked about this time and time again anytime you have a
00:59:27
death that is as a result of unnatural causes you know an autopsy is supposed to be performed in this situation and it
00:59:35
wasn't well not it was cremated before it could be performed well right not if you're trying to cover up and cover your
00:59:41
ass you know we don't need autopsies so obviously this is so obvious right here Captain we we have an obvious we have
00:59:49
all these Witnesses we have all these people that are supposed to be called to the grand jury people that have been
00:59:55
reported to have had private meetings private questioning situations with Richard Garrett and Dan Harmon and we
01:00:03
see person after person you know getting killed yeah people person after person dying in these mysterious serious deaths
01:00:10
somewhere we have people getting convicted somewhere we have no explanation why they died at all I mean
01:00:16
we had we had Jerry who we don't know who he is he and if we believe that story he moved out of the area because
01:00:22
he was told to get the hell out of Dodge right or he was killed and never found and and one they refused to identify him
01:00:29
you had stated earlier and you're exactly right it would have been so easy for Sheriff Jim Steed to come forward
01:00:35
and say well this is who Jerry was I know who he is because we locked him up for 90 days but nobody says that and
01:00:41
then we have Ronnie Goodwin now Ronnie Godwin I'm sorry he's one of the lucky ones he's still alive today but but
01:00:48
police refused to believe his story more to the point where they say that he is Jerry when they know damn well he's not
01:00:55
Jerry right he's just a drunk can't believe him we have Keith Cooney who was probably you know witnessed too much
01:01:02
stuff that night he probably gave Kevin and Don a ride on the back of his motorcycle he may have seen something go
01:01:08
down at the tracks or earlier yeah and his death has ruled a motorcycle accident we have kids right with a slit
01:01:14
throat yeah we have Keith mccaskill who is murdered in his own home he stabbed over 100 times we have the strange
01:01:21
stories with the clown mask and the men dressed from head to toe in Black right and we we have who could be another
01:01:28
innocent person who is convicted of his murder right we have Greg Collins shotgun blast the face and it's ruled a
01:01:37
suicide yeah three shots with a shotgun he killed himself we have Jeff Rhodes shotgun blast the face his body is
01:01:45
burned he's found in the landfill and we have this pelcher guy that is arrested and convicted for his murder and we we
01:01:52
got Rhodes telling people that not only did he know about the boy's deaths in advance before he's killed he's telling
01:01:57
him that he knows about mccaskill's death as well right we have Richard Winters who who dies in the robbery we
01:02:05
have Jordan ketelsen uh shot to death in in the front seat of his pickup truck and there's no explanation for how he
01:02:13
died we're not given a ruling on how he died no autopsy performed we have James Milam who had an ulcer and his head
01:02:20
popped off you know that's just Fami Malik straight out creating something here just just making something up we have
01:02:31
that boony Bearden who vanished and we've never seen him there he's believed to be murdered they've never located his
01:02:38
body what did he know yeah and if this isn't this is enough evidence of a huge conspiracy to cover up
01:02:47
these boys's death uh I don't know what to tell you yeah they're covering up the
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deaths of these two boys and then they're killing more people to cover up the deaths that they have to commit to
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cover up the the original two right and it all comes down to the fact that they have these drugs they have to keep
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running the drugs they want to keep having the money from the drugs and that they're they have higher ups I think
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that are involved in this drug smuggling and this drug running and it's it's the
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crime agreed to you know the murder for greed just makes absolutely no sense to me well and I know we probably got some
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loyal garage army people out there going this this is huge Nick and Captain why haven't we heard of this before well
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contact somebody that lives in Arkansas because these people have been talking about this case for 30 years right uh
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this is no secret to the people that live in Arkansas and live in this area and if alarm Bells aren't going off in
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your head ask yourself this okay we've we've mentioned over what we've mentioned 10 or a dozen murders here
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right and there's probably a few that we don't know about because we're not in Arkansas and it's hard to find
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information about people that died in 87 88 89 from that time period but ask yourself this why do we have an area a
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remote area of a state where only about 5 000 people are reported to have been living there in the late 80s and we got
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all of these mysterious deaths going on in a short period of time it it there's something going on in Arkansas
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one how many people are going to talk about this if you know clowns are showing up to people's houses and
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stabbing them a hundred times if a clown shows up to my house one I'm kicking it
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in the I'm kicking in the goddamn dick okay first of all second of all I hope that we put on the
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show next week because if somebody finds me somewhere and my head popped off it wasn't a goddamn ulcer your stomach's
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fine I I mean I will vouch for you your your stomach is fine you're solid I'm in
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that area we go we we have a lot to uh cover in the next case and I think I it's a shame that this case hasn't
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been talked about and I see this all the time when when in the the thing that drives me absolutely insane is the word
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conspiracy when there are truths there and when they start talking about these child sex trafficking rings that maybe
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some people in the government are involved in and there's some actually there's some
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validity to the story and it just kind of goes nowhere to me that is powerful people and rich people being able to
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protect themselves in a way that the normal person or the normal citizen of the United States of America cannot do
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yeah and I think um how much was like Bill Clinton involved in this I don't know but he knew certain
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things about it and again I don't want to become political because I'm neither left or
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right I'm normally always wrong so you're usually wrong but well my point is is I I don't like Rich Pricks and I
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don't like Rich Pricks using people for you know gains and I don't like I don't like people of power getting away with
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horse [ __ ] well we will try tomorrow to sum this up put a nice bow on it and open your eyes to some other goings-on
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that was taking place in in Arkansas as well all right let's wrap this up because I gotta do a couple sets down at
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the Wagon Wheel yeah we will see everybody back in the garage tomorrow if you if you don't hear from us tomorrow
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notify the National Guard all right but until then be good be kind and don't let
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