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Garage, we ran a four-part series titled Killing Was Purposeful. Episodes 8:41 to
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8:44. If you haven't listened to those yet, please go back before listening to this free edition of Off the Record.
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Here we have the recordings of two interviews that were a big part of the research that we did on these cases.
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Also, a shout out to Jessica Bettincourt, my friend over at the DNA ID podcast for all of her help. And a
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shout out to Melissa Andrews, a fantastic news anchor and investigative journalist at
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WT. These last two weeks, our feature true crime story focused primarily on two cases from Northwest Ohio.
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One, the unsolved homicide case of Lorie Anne Hill. The other is a solved case with still a lot of questions remaining.
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20-year-old Sierra Joan was killed by James Worley. This was proven in court with a mountain of evidence against
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Worley that was found at the abduction site and at his property. Worley is a suspect in the Lorie Anne Hill case. The
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state had to prove that the killing was purposeful before they could condemn Wley to the strictest and most severe of
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punishments, the Ohio death penalty. And they did. Worley is a suspect in at least one outstanding homicide case. He
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is the primary suspect in a case of another missing woman. The interviews that you are about to hear were
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conducted recently and not prior to Warley's convictions. [Music] Hello. Hello, Jeremy. It's Nick. Yes.
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Yes. How are you? Good. Are are you still with the Fulton County Sheriff's Office? This is Jeremy Simon with the
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Fulton County Sheriff's Office. He was one of the K-9 units back in 2016 when Sierra went
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missing. He was kind enough to join me on speaker phone. Yes, I I retired in 21, but I've stayed on part-time and
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I've I've actually come back to work for court security. You had a good amount of experience by
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the time this case pops up in 2016. Yes, I had probably about 25 years at least. Were you were you in any form
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aware of this James Worley before the Sierra case? Yeah, I was actually James Worley lived
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up in the northeast part of our county um right around the this the Dela Swanton area. I also grew up not too far
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from there. And James Worley went to the same high school I went to. Uh he went to the same high school as my family. My
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uncle was about the same age. So I was well aware of James Worley growing up. Did you have any idea of what kind of
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person he really was? No, he No, he did his own little thing. I don't ever remember him really
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working. He did a small engine repair. Um, lived with his mom. Always always lived in that house that I knew of. Um,
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I did and then I knew of him a little bit before I got on the sheriff's office, but then it was after we got on
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the I got on the sheriff's office I really got to know him more. I guess it looks like he was looked at in
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consideration for the disappearance of Claudia Tinsley. Yes, I do remember that. Um, I was not a
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part of that one. Uh, but I was aware of what was going on there. There was a couple other ones that that he they were
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looking into him for other things, but I I wasn't involved with that. I was just
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a road unit at that time. I believe that was actually a Toledo PD case because she lived in Toledo and was Yes. last
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seen with him but ne never seen again. Yes. The mom actually from what I remember of that the
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mom just had a bad feeling that night and she's the one that got actually the information the plate number or
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something that kind of pointed the investigators to him at that point in regard to the Sierra case. When do you
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come onto the scene? Well, what how I got involved is I was working that afternoon. I was on my second K9 with
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the sheriff's office at that time. I had a sergeant that was working second shift
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with me. I was I think I was on a split shift like at 8 at night till 4 in the morning cuz the canines we kind of just
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floated around and did different you know different shifts. Uh depends on where we were
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needed. At that point I was on a 8 at night till 4 in the morning when I got the call from my sergeant asking me if
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my dog would be able to track a bike. Um, I asked him a bike. I mean, explain it more. And he he said that they had a
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a an early 20s female that was last seen riding her bike along county road, one of the
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county roads. I said, "Well, the dog is if she was on the road, the dog's not going to be able to pick anything up
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from the the scent, but the scent will fall and stick to the sides of the roads." And then he he went on to
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explain that she had been missing. Well, her mom reported says she hasn't been able to find her in a few
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hours. At that point, my mind went to she got hit by a car or something happened that she's laying alongside the
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road. Actually, I was 2 miles south of Jim Worley's house when I got this call. Um, I was on
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6-1 and K. I went over to six, went north by Jim Worley's house to our county road
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T just to see if I could see her because my sergeant said the mom was frantic. It's not like this girl. And then she
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wanted the helicopter. She wanted FBI. She wanted everybody called. I asked who the mom was and when he said Sheila
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Vaculic and went to school with Sheila, she was a year or two behind me in school. So I knew her from high school.
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I said, "Let me go talk to her. I'll see, but I'll check the area real quick. That's how I got involved.
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Were you present when they discovered Sierra's bicycle? Yeah. Um, what happened there is I went
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up um I went to I went up six. It was getting to be dark about that time. I went up six to T. I turned left.
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I went down. I seen Sierra's uh grandfather. He was looking and I knew him. and we talked a little bit and he
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says something's not right. He was walking alongside the road. Then I went a little bit further the next mile and I
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run into Howard Ice, which was Sierra's uncle. Um, at that time I didn't really know him. After I talked to him a
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minute, he explained what he was doing. I went up to State Route 109. I turned around. I come back looking and I did
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not see anything along the way. When I turned on to County Road 6 heading north towards Sierra's house, uh, I had my
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spotlights on on each side of my patrol car just to give me extra light. That's when I noticed there was a break where
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they the farmer, he went in and he did his end rows off, but he lifted the machine, the
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planter up before he got to the road. So, there was a open spot that was not planted. It was on the east side of the
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road. I noticed a uh a broken corn stalk. Now, I grew up on a farm and I was in many of corn fields growing up as
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a kid. A broken corn stalk in July catches my attention because they're very strong stocks. They don't
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break down. They won't bend over or break like they do in in October when it when the stalks dies off and dries out
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and becomes a little more brittle. Um, so at that point I stopped my patrol car. It was about halfway through the
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mile. I got out. I walked over to look at that cornstalk to see if there was anything over there. That's when I I
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smelled gasoline. I went into the corn field about 5 to 10 ft. That's when I noticed that there was a set of I don't
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I couldn't even tell. It's probably 10 to 15 feet long of corn stalks that were methodically pressed over with your
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foot. They're all laying in the same direction just to open that area up a little bit. That's when I noticed there
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was footprints, tire marks, uh there was a screwdriver, some fusies, like something fell out of a bag of something
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that is laying there. It wasn't there all summer. It was it was freshly there. I backed out of that. I contacted my
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supervisor at that point, my sergeant, and I told him, "Look, you need to get people out here because I think I found
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something. I haven't quite found everything yet. And as I was talking to him, that's when I looked over and I
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seen the bike. I was looking to the west side of the road with my flashlight, just kind of looking around. That's when
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the reflector from a bike hit me. It caught my attention. The newspapers, they often describe the bicycle as it
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looked like it was shoved back into the corn stalks. Was that the observation you made? It it it was it was in the
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corn a few rows like it was hidden but it was if I remember correctly it was st still standing
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up. Um after looking a little further into it the corn stalks on the west side of
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the road appeared to be disheveled like they were like there was some type of scuffle going on. They were some were
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broken down some were broken halfway off. Some were laying east, west, north, south. They were in different
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directions. Then then there was a sock laying there. Then that's when I pretty much backed out. I mean, I yelled a few
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times. My sergeant arrived at that time. Um, we were yelling in there to see if we could hear anything cuz it's very
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quiet out there, you know, after dark and you can hear a lot. There was no sounds whatsoever. We pretty much shut
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the road down at that point and that's when BCI Bureau of Criminal Investigations come in. The sheriff
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arrived, the FBI and everybody come in at that point. And we have hindsight to help us out to deduce what we believe
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took place at that scene. But I'm guessing the the gas odor, the smell of gas is coming from hely laid the bike
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down. Yes, that's that's what we figure. Yes, it's thought that he may have rode past her and then lie and wait
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to ambush her as she continued on that county road. That is correct. I believe what what it was is we believe that he
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passed her, went north on six, pulled the bike off in that little pulloff. That's when he laid
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the cornstalks over so he could pull his bike in there. whether it fell down in the soft dirt or he laid it down. That's
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where he said that he had mechanical issues and he hid the bike so no so he could go get his truck and come back and
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get it later. He's at some point seen on a camera. Was it the camera from the high school? Yes. Evergreen High School
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is set about a mile and a half south of the scene and this would have been County Road just south of S and US 20.
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Worly lived on six I'm going to say two and a half miles south of the high school. Some reports state that there
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were blood on the stocks or some blood on the stocks. Was that was that obvious to to you guys or or was that something
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that only after BCI comes in that they find? No, we could we could see the blood on the stalks. Um I didn't see a
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lot. I mean, but there was enough there that that would cons it was concerning. Yes.
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And were you present when they served the search warrant at his home? Because that's always kind of reported very
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strange where it says they that you guys got a search warrant for his property. But it also says, well, he was
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cooperative and and let them into the home and walked them out to the barn. But cooperative, you can take that for
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what you will because if there's a warrant, you guys are going to execute. That's that's correct. Um, at the time
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that they spoke with him the first time, uh, well, let me back up. Later that morning, it was about by the time FBI
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and BCI got there, I remained at the scene and logged people in and out. Um, as day broke, the FBI, they asked me
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about what about the helmet? I said there was no helmet. Well, prior to me getting to the scene,
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a lo the local farmer was taking his son to the Dairy Queen to get an ice cream cone and they were checking fields. They
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see this helmet laying along the road, not not knowing that it was part of a crime scene. They stop, pick it up, and
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throw in the back of the pickup, and then they travel on. So, it wasn't until morning when the farmer heard about
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this, he comes back and says, "This is what I found." So that's where we the helmet come into play along there. When
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you start your investigation, you start small and you kind of keep opening up that
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circle. Um, one of the the major Smith Meyer uh who investigated it, he was very familiar with Jim Worley cuz he
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lived a half a mile away from him growing up and they went and talked to him and at that point he was very very
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open. I I've heard some interviews he basically let him into his house. He had a talk with him. I think the the comment
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was similar to he made was you're hear about my motorcycle helmet, you know, I mean, so he and he like he left it
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there. Well, I dropped it or whatever. So, I mean, he kind of placed himself right there at the
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scene and and his his statement is he went back to recover the motorcycle with his truck, but doesn't seem to add up
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that it it just so happens this all happened at the same place where her bicycles found and all these other items
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that he left at that spot. He he failed to retrieve those. That is correct. The screwdriver and stuff like that. He
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tried explaining it to that. He was working on the bike and that stuff was left there. But yeah, it's downright
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scary, Jeremy, to review this and think about he was probably at that spot for a
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good amount of time. Absolutely. Yeah. I mean, the way it looked is she didn't go without a fight.
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Um the sad part was is she was within a quarter of a mile of her house. M and a lot of people that live in the in big
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cities and such will not be able to have a great comprehension of this particular area. I can't imagine that
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there was any level of traffic that evening. No, I mean it's very very minimal. Um at
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that time uh it's a big farming community. you have large corn fields. Um, and I'll be honest with you though,
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for somebody that's never been in a corn field to go three rows in, you can be pretty
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inconspicuous, people can drive by you and nobody would see you. Um, if you were to go 10 to 12 rows in, it gets
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very quiet because you're surrounded by the corn. Um, it it's a very big it's a down a sound detoner that I mean
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somebody could be in the middle of a cornfield and scream. People get lost in cornfields all the time. You know, the
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kids get out there and they they they lose their way. They don't realize that they followed the same
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keep going in the Yeah. Keep going. Yeah. Keep going in the same direction. Don't turn around. Right. People panic.
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And but when you get out in the middle there, I mean it it the the temperature will raise in and in in the summer when
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the corn is growing, it produces a heat. There's moisture in there. It's very quiet and it's it's hard to walk through
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because you got the stalks. They're like a fiberglass, you know, they got they're
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sharp. They can be sharp and they they they'll scrape you when you go through there. So, but it's a very big down
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sound deadener when they go in there. Orley's mother at some point is moved to a nursing home and and it's it
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technically is her property as I understand it. Was she moved to a nursing home before this abduction or
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was that something that took place after? No, that's something that took place after we took control of the property to
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do the investigation. She was there, but I think they they moved her out where they and I think at that point is when
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they moved her to the nursing home. Uh his brother who had a mental handicap also lived on the property in a mobile
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home behind the house. I believe he was allowed to stay there, but he ended up moving into an apartment into one of the
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neighboring towns. Did you go through the barn? Uh I I was in the barn uh only to help
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remove some items for evidence. I did not go through it myself. No, it's often described that as that there was like a
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secret room in the barn, but I I that description to me I I don't know what to make of that.
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Well, yes. Um, it was made out of a there was bales of hay stacked up that they had created created like a false
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wall. Yes. Um, there was also a freezer, a full-size chest freezer buried in the ground. They had
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carpeting in it and stuff like that. He he spent a an alarming amount of time outfitting this barn. Absolutely.
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something that you normally would not have in a barn for animals or for to to store hay in. The
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investigation into Warley moved pretty quickly. I mean, he's he's all this mountain of evidence that's found at his
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home and then at the abduction scene. How long after how long after uh Fulton County is talking to
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Warley that the the bury site the burial site is found. I want to say if I remember correctly
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that was about a week. Um from the time we got this case I knew I I had bought some property in Indiana and I had to go
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close on it. Uh it was on the lake. This was it. This was during the week that this incident occurred. Um, I had a
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couple days off that I had to take to go do this in Indiana. While I was in Indiana,
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my another sergeant called me and basically said at that point, it was over the weekend that they arrested Jim
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Worley in this. So, I mean, within a few days, they had him pinned as a as a suspect. They started combing and they
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had people out looking looking for sites. I don't believe it it was much over a week if it was before they found
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the site. Did Did they Did they find the physical site or was there something that led them to that location?
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Um there was a farmer that it was his field. He I don't know if he was out or they were just out looking and they
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found something odd where there was a uh somebody tried digging a hole on the one
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side of the road. Didn't get very far cuz the it must have been the ground was too hard. Mhm. Then they switched
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locations, but once they found the one site, that's when they went across. They started combing out or scoping the area
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and found the second site. But the FBI did also have they have they have uh planes out that can fly over and
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tell you if the there's the disturbance in the dirt or if there's you know from a cornfield standpoint looking at it
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from the road you're not going to see much if it's 200 ft in from an airplane you can look down and see where
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everything's knocked down is probably responsible for other I mean we have unsolved
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female homicides in that area dating back to the to 1980s. And it's been difficult especially for
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that area the further you go back because the Cook brothers were around for a period of time committing similar
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crimes. But yes, but I every law enforcement officer that I've spoke to from the area is pretty convinced that
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Warley is guilty of one or two more. probably the Claudia Tinsley case and then then maybe another
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Well, exactly. Um there was a girl by the name of Laurian Hill. Yeah. From Swanton. Um she she would have been this
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would have been the mid to late 80s. It's you unfortunately it's not uncommon. We're a rural area. Um we have
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a lot of wooded areas. We have a lot of fields. Uh hunters find stuff a lot out here
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when they're out hunting or doing what they're doing. Farmers do as well. Um but the thing is is when you have people
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from like Toledo, the Cook brothers, they think they come out here to Fulton County, it's no man's land, and they can
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hide a body and it's gone forever. Mhm. Which it's it's probably less likely to be found right
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away out here. You know, we're when we're farming and you taking the fields out or in the fall during hunting
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season, that's whenever you we find a lot of this stuff or if people are just out walking. But that's you know it by
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that time the evidence a lot of the evidence has kind of broke down. But uh yeah, I mean and and going back to
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Worly, the the I want to say this had to be 84, 85 because she would have been about the same age as I am. Uh she was
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like 15 at the time. Her body was found north of Wasion. I don't exactly remember where, but that was that was at
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that point. And then Jim Worley was also convicted of another attempted abduction in White House. I believe
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Robin Gardner. Yes. And and her her story was so similar to what we think happened
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with the Sierra case. It was eerily similar. Correct. My biggest thing that I would
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love to get across to people is as a 30 plus year law enforcement veteran. Um I've, you know,
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I've been shot. I've been in car accidents. I've been on investigations. You know, you don't realize the evil
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that surrounds you on a daily basis. Whether you're in a bank, a church, a school, or a gas station, you could be
00:26:04
just driving down the road. You don't know what. You always have to have your head on a swivel and pay attention. Be
00:26:09
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Kolinski. This is Sierra's boyfriend, Josh, his parents. Josh and Sierra were in a long-term serious relationship.
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They had known each other most of their lives and dated through high school and college. As you will hear, Bob and Nikki
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knew Sierra well and loved her dearly. Um, I'm I'm in regular communication with with family members
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of victims and and loved ones of victims and and I so I understand that this is not an easy thing to talk about. So, I
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do appreciate you sitting down with me here today. And I think it's also a good opportunity for us to educate the
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listeners a little bit more about keeping our girls safe, about that wonderful organization that you guys
00:27:51
have put together. Sure. And thank you. Yes. And thank you. Bob, we'll start with you. It's my understanding that you
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worked in law enforcement at one time. Is that correct? Yes. I was a police officer for almost 30 years. And before
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that I was a fireman and an EMT and worked in the cell blocks at Child Study Institute for 10 years and uh also an
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adjunct professor at Owens Community College back in 2016 and Sierra goes missing. How did
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your background in law enforcement, your working knowledge, how did that play effect on your your thoughts, your
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feelings, your emotions? Meanwhile, your your son is being questioned at some point.
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It it was very very difficult. Matter of fact, I I knew pretty much uh what they
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were trying to do uh as far as where they were headed and what they had to do. And that was that was very
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difficult. And uh you you you don't realize that until you have to turn your son over to the FBI and you know that
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he's going to be questioned and you know that as soon as they're done questioning
00:29:08
him then they can go and look for the perpetrator and but we knew that that had to be done. And of course you knew
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your son didn't have anything to do with this. So did you did you offer him counsel and say hey son this is just
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part of the we you got to do this. you got to talk to these these people and and let's get them moving in the right
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direction. Well, that's pretty much exactly what what did happen. I the FBI says, "Well, we'd like to go talk to
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you. We'd like to talk to your son." And I said, "Okay, let me talk to him real quick." And uh 30 seconds. Uh I said,
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"Well, here he here he is." And uh he's, you know, fully cooperative. Were you handing him over, per se,
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to persons that you've worked with in the past? No. No. I didn't know the uh the FBI agents and the investigators. Uh
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things have switched hands, of course, and and uh they're younger now. And look, my father is retired law
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enforcement as well. And so, to be fair, and they're human beings, they don't always get it right. Were you nervous
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for your son? How nervous were you for your son in that moment? Uh I was I was very nervous and uh as far as you know I
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knew what he was headed towards and you know that that that was just uh very unnerving and my wife was probably twice
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as nervous as I was but uh I knew it had to be done. So once again so they can go
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after the the bad guy. And speaking of bad guy, Nikki, did you have any did I mean did anybody in this area have any
00:30:50
idea that this kind of monsters living somewhere in their community? No, we had no
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idea. We didn't know until after the fact when, you know, things were starting to come out that he had lived
00:31:04
over there and what his background was because it had been in, I believe, 1994. So, no, no one talked about it. We
00:31:12
didn't know. How shocking did you find it, Nikki, when when we find out who police
00:31:19
suspect? How shocking to you was it that to to learn that this man is a repeat offender, that he's a very violent,
00:31:27
scary man, and somehow he's just living in our community. I was overwhelmed with
00:31:33
shock. It it really absolutely revolted me because in proximity Sierra's house was literally 3 to 5 miles down the
00:31:44
exact same road is where he lived. So if he was out trolling on his motorcycle as
00:31:51
what is claimed to be um you know he had gone by Sierra's house a lot so it was just yeah it was really heart-wrenching.
00:32:03
Were either of you present for portions of the trial? For the whole thing? For the whole entire thing, we were there.
00:32:11
And we talked briefly about this when we revisited the story. We we talked briefly about that moment where
00:32:19
he James Worley is making a case for himself. He swears he's innocent. He he even claims it's a a frame job by the
00:32:28
police because they they couldn't bust him on on another case that goes back years prior where where he's last the
00:32:36
last person seen with a woman who's never been seen again. We have family members of Sierra rightfully so standing
00:32:44
up and walking out of the court. What What were you guys thinking? What were you experiencing during those moments?
00:32:52
Well, we took our cue from Sheila Vacul, which is Sierra's mom. So, anything that
00:32:58
happened during that trial, she was the lead. Anything she wanted, anything she did, anything she asked for, um, is what
00:33:05
the rest of us did. So, she was sitting in the front row, we were sitting in the
00:33:10
second row right behind her, and she was the one that popped up and walked out. And as soon as she popped up, I looked
00:33:19
at Bob, Bob looked at me, we popped up, I looked at Josh, and I told him, "Come on, let's go." And we all got up and we
00:33:27
walked out. We were not going to listen to that. And we at least I haven't. I don't know if Bob has ever gone back and
00:33:32
listened to his um manifesto, but I have never listened to it. And I I haven't listened to it. My
00:33:41
concern was as soon as Josh stood up, I was right behind him and we walked out of the courtroom. And your son, he took
00:33:49
the stand, he had to testify in a very emotional testimony. Yeah. Yeah. Tell us a bit about Sierra because with
00:33:59
the long-term puppy love relationship that they had, this was a young lady that you
00:34:08
guys knew well. Knew since she was a a girl. Yep. Yeah. She uh I referred to her as as she was like the perfect girl.
00:34:16
She could hunt. She could fish. She could skin a deer. She could ride a motorcycle. She could ride a horse. She
00:34:24
could shoot. She could sing. She could dance. She was bubbly. She could wrestle. Uh I used to be concerned for
00:34:32
Josh's safety when they were at our house wrestling on the uh living room floor because she was uh she was tough.
00:34:41
She was a tough cookie. There's no doubt. Yeah, she was she was quite a girl. And then uh the last day we saw her, she
00:34:49
uh uh gave me a hug. I gave her a hug. I told her I loved her. She told me she loved me. And that was the last time we
00:34:57
seen her. It was a Sunday afternoon after they went uh garage sailing at uh um I believe it was called Funks Junk.
00:35:06
Yeah. Up in Michigan. Up in Michigan. And back to Warley, it's alarming how many cases he may be
00:35:13
connected to. That's what our understanding is. Yes. I was on the I was on the phone with a um
00:35:22
detective from Toledo just a a week or so ago and I couldn't even get the last name War Wley out of my mouth before he
00:35:33
interrupted me and said, "Oh, that guy's a serial killer. We just couldn't, you know, we we're convinced of it. We just
00:35:38
don't have the evidence and some of those cases are so old that there's not a lot we can do about it. Correct.
00:35:46
That's what our understanding is too. Yes. And you know, everybody has a different opinion rightfully so about
00:35:54
the death penalty, but that this is the correct sentence here. I mean, if there if there was
00:36:02
a you know, I I hate that that we have to have a punishment so severe, but when you have crimes that are
00:36:09
so severe and and this guy, I mean, he he did this and he and he he harmed an entire community. The the
00:36:22
amount of stuff I have no idea how many lives he he may have taken. I'm I believe that it's probably three. I feel
00:36:34
very confident saying two or three. And then the poor woman that he abducted or attempted to abduct in the
00:36:41
'9s, there's no doubt in my mind what what he what he was up to that day. I agree. Yep. I agree. Mhm. I totally
00:36:49
agree that this is not Sierra was not the only one. And with the current state of our state, the state of Ohio, they're
00:36:58
not carrying out any of these uh death sentences, these executions as it is now. Are you guys keeping track, trying
00:37:06
to stay up on the the news? Are we are we any closer to getting back on track? there's a a a bill or or a law that's uh
00:37:17
there's it could could swing either way that we're that we may be using different
00:37:23
drugs, but there's also another push to try to abolish the death penalty here in
00:37:30
the state of Ohio. Yes, we do keep a breast of it. Um as a matter of fact just this actually last few months we've
00:37:39
been kind of watching it and um there is a moratorum in Ohio as far as the death
00:37:44
penalty goes. His execution is as you know is set for May 20th 2025 but that's not
00:37:52
going to happen. There are still postconviction petitions that are pending at the state level here in
00:38:00
Fulton County that have not been ruled on yet. there had been something that went to the Supreme Court and then it
00:38:06
came back down and then they set the um execution date, but then there was another petition that was filed um that
00:38:14
has an opposition of course from the state of Ohio against it, but that has been
00:38:20
pending for 2 years and they just filed another petition to amend a motion for leave to
00:38:29
amend the petition that's pending asking to add another element to their petition that was just filed in March of
00:38:39
2025. And I hate to say this, but it's I mean it's the truth. I spoke with Melissa Andrews. She interviewed James
00:38:47
Worley and she told me she said, "Nick, I'm I'm shocked. I expected it to be one
00:38:54
thing and she says, "I get there and he doesn't have it that bad in there." And no, he probably doesn't. He
00:39:02
gets three square meals in a bed and he's warm and dry and, you know, has to make no decisions. He wasn't doing
00:39:09
anything before he went in other than these, you know, horrible things that uh he was up to. He he wasn't uh a good
00:39:16
citizen. He wasn't uh he wasn't doing anything productive when he was out. Um he just he's just this
00:39:27
evil lazy guy. That's what our understanding is. Yeah. I can I absolutely agree with that. Absolutely
00:39:34
agree with that. Evil walking the earth for sure. Yeah. It's a shame. Yes. Well, earlier
00:39:43
this year we were very um excited to and and happy that we could partner with with Keeping Our Girls Safe. It's a it's
00:39:52
a fantastic organization that you guys have put together. I did during that campaign, I did try to inform the
00:39:59
listeners about keeping our girls safe. We'll have a little FaceTime together later this year. I'm going to join you
00:40:06
for one of your events. Bob was kind enough to invite me and thank you for that. Bob, please tell the listeners
00:40:13
what is Keeping Our Girls Safe? What are you guys doing currently for 2025? Well,
00:40:19
we are all co-founders of Keeping Our Girls Sta safe. I'll give you a little background. It started um in our living
00:40:28
room with me and Bob, Josh's sister Mary, who is a co-founder, and Josh, and we had as a family wanted to begin or do
00:40:39
something that um supported him actually is how this all started. So, we created this
00:40:48
organization. It's a nonprofit 501c3. In September of 2016, we held a motorcycle ride um because Josh was on
00:40:57
his motorcycle when him and C parted ways. So, we put together a motorcycle ride the very first year and you know,
00:41:05
me as a mom, we're we're setting this all up and I'm just praying to God that a couple people show up. I was hoping
00:41:11
for 50 bikes. 50 bikes that that year 2016 and we counted 475 showed in support of us, Josh,
00:41:24
Sheila, her family, in support of everyone from the community. Um, which just absolutely blew our minds. So, how
00:41:33
why we began this is that um we wanted to do free self-defense classes, personal safety classes for women, for
00:41:42
young women, which is what started the whole thing. Um because of course, Sierra um you know, wasn't able to do
00:41:50
that. However, I don't know, I think it was a couple months before we lost her that she had attended a personal safety
00:41:58
class herself. So that's kind of where the idea stem from. So the um funds that we've raised since 2016
00:42:09
um go towards that effort. So, we pay instructors and our instructors are all law enforcement officers
00:42:18
um because we wanted to do community um um community policing policing to where you know lots of times
00:42:29
that a woman's first um interaction with a police officer is when something bad happens and we wanted the community
00:42:38
women to feel more comfortable around police officers. So that's the reason why one of the reasons why we chose to
00:42:45
have only police officers as our instructors so women can feel um comfortable around them and get to know
00:42:51
them and know that they are um humans just like they are. So we have police officers that do all the instructing and
00:42:59
I think to date we have had over 3500 women given free self-defense classes. We do them in the community,
00:43:09
but my ultimate favorite is going into the high schools. We get invited to high schools um to be able to give classes to
00:43:17
the girls within the classroom setting, which is just awesome to me because we also not only give them the personal
00:43:26
self-defense, we also talk about sexual violence and we talk about dating and we
00:43:32
talk about domestic violence. We talk about violence in any way, shape or form that can harm a woman, a young woman.
00:43:41
And then we even go one step further is when we are going into the into the schools, we are in um cooperation with
00:43:48
any of the social workers that work in the high schools. So, you never know in one of these classes what you're going
00:43:55
to bring up in somebody's background. So, we make sure that the counseling people, the people that are around them
00:44:04
every single day are aware that we're doing this and that this may um bring up some things that they may need to talk
00:44:11
about and to keep an eye out for that. And then we also give them resources, local resources. I hand out information.
00:44:19
and they all get a little goodie bag which includes the self-defense keychain angel in disguise and then resources
00:44:27
that they can reach out to. There's um especially um dating apps and about good relationships and the domestic violence
00:44:37
um hotline and of course the the violent offender registry. I I show them in the
00:44:44
resources how to look all of those things up because we do believe that knowledge is
00:44:49
power. So that's what we continue to do and we will continue to do it until and we and
00:44:57
we give them tips on uh passwords for their phones for their computers because that was an issue with C is that we
00:45:06
spent a lot of time trying to get into her uh computers and and uh phone account because nobody had her password
00:45:17
to that night. So, we we spend some time on that uh in the classroom and with the
00:45:24
uh with the with the ladies and uh that seems to to help and it it drives it home and and makes you know everybody
00:45:33
aware that this stuff is important. It's just it's not good to have secrets sometimes. And uh so we we hope that
00:45:40
we've really helped and we know from the teachers that uh they've thanked us a lot and I'm sure we've we've helped some
00:45:51
some girls out there. What are those tips? Is it just something as simple as sharing your password and your PIN
00:45:58
numbers and such with with a trusted family member if they if anybody ever needs to access that that that there is
00:46:07
someone that has the ability to do so? Yes. Exactly. That's exactly what we tell them because time is of the
00:46:14
essence. God forbid anything were to happen, the law enforcement, family members need to get into the computers,
00:46:21
need to get into um telephones and depending on the circumstances, you have to go to the policeman to get search
00:46:29
warrants and things like that. And it took time for Sierra. We are almost 10 years out now. I think things would be a
00:46:35
little faster now, but still if we had passwords, it would be even faster. So that is like one of the main important
00:46:43
things we share is to share that information with other at least one other trusted person.
00:46:50
Does the does any portion of the self-defense class does it include the use of the keychain that you
00:46:59
guys designed? Yes, we our instructor shows them the keychain and advises everybody that they
00:47:07
get one uh when they leave the class and shows them how to use it. It's a that's
00:47:13
probably about a fiveminute instruction on on the use of it. And and uh we teach
00:47:18
to get away. We we don't teach to beat somebody up. That's that's not the thing. That's not going to happen. We
00:47:25
teach the uh students to get away. Uh get out of that situation. Time is of the essence. And the keychain is
00:47:33
designed in a way if you're using it in self-defense, deliver that blow, get a good solid hit, and and it should stun
00:47:40
the perpetrator long enough that that you can get out of there. That is the hope. That is the Yes, that's what we
00:47:49
want. Mhm. Describe what it looks like for the listeners. I I And it comes in some really brilliant colors as well.
00:47:56
Some really cool colors. Sure. it uh it's described it's it has angel wings and it has two holes at the bottom of
00:48:03
the angel wings where the fingers go and uh it's used to poke in a vulnerable area such as the eyes such as the chin
00:48:14
such as the uh um throat the uh u uh ears and uh other body parts where we don't want to mention right now but uh
00:48:25
in if that happens and and I remember The last time I told Sierra is that you kick, you fight, you bite, you do
00:48:35
whatever it is to get away. Uh because if you don't, then the worst could happen to you. And and we talked about
00:48:44
this with her and we talked about it. We had that conversation and our daughter the last Sunday we saw her. And the
00:48:50
self-defense classes are for females of all ages, 16 and up. 16 and up, which is brilliant
00:48:57
because I know we've all been there, right? Uh daughter going through high school and then the some of them go off
00:49:06
to college and or or becoming of of age and that's a terrifying thing for moms and dads out there. So, a lot of these
00:49:16
uh attendees of your classes are probably 16, 17, 18 year old young ladies. Yes. Yes, they are. But
00:49:24
honestly, the demographic goes from zero to 100. We just had a community class the other day of elderly women. And you
00:49:34
know, unfortunately, these crimes are um opportunistic. They go after people that
00:49:41
are in a vulnerable vulnerable place. They're crimes of opportunity and they're crimes of
00:49:49
control. and they want to control their subject and a lot of times it doesn't have a whole lot to do with their age.
00:49:57
Um, we know that younger women are targets for sure, but if someone of that magnitude wants that ultimate control
00:50:07
also, he'll he'll pick somebody who's just vulnerable. And we've had real life testimonials already of people in
00:50:15
parking lots that uh have said, you know, that stuff you teach in the class that actually works. Uh I used it uh
00:50:22
when I was in the parking lot and I saw a person and I saw another person and and they described what uh there was two
00:50:30
people in the parking lot and they uh it was an uncomfortable situation and they
00:50:35
didn't focus on this lady. And then we have other situations like in uh uh department stores uh and other
00:50:44
situations where they've said you know this this stuff from their class it works and that in itself just makes it
00:50:52
worth it. God forbid that anybody listening to this or or somebody that attends one of your classes ever
00:51:01
finds themsel in a real life experience of somebody approaching them or grabbing
00:51:06
them or but they've at least they've run through it in their head a couple of times of what do I do? What can I do?
00:51:13
What would I do in that moment? And if and if you start acting on instinct, which most of us would in that sit in
00:51:19
that scenario, you're acting on the instincts that you've already kind of trained yourself and thought through
00:51:25
prior to to that unfortunate incident. Yes. And we encourage women to come more than once to our class because it is
00:51:32
muscle memory. You think about it, you're going to do what you thought about. So yeah, for sure. And one thing
00:51:38
we stress is do not look vulnerable. Don't be walking with your phone in your hand. uh and looking at your phone, keep
00:51:46
awake and look at your surroundings. Look for all the people that are that may be around you and make eye contact
00:51:53
with them so that they know you're looking, you're watching, and you're on guard. And that doesn't mean to be
00:52:00
paranoid when you go out, but but uh when you do go out, you know, be aware of your surroundings, be aware of the
00:52:06
people that are there. that uh from the testimonials that we've received, that in itself has helped.
00:52:15
And when you're walking alone, have that angel in disguise keychain. Have it ready. Have it have it in your hand for
00:52:22
that short walk from from the building to your car, from the car to the building. It's it's something easy to
00:52:28
train yourself. It's a good habit to get into. If you need it, you're ready to go. Absolutely. Cuz you just never know.
00:52:36
Tell the listeners real quick about the website if they want to learn more. Sure. It's
00:52:43
www.ko gsf.com. Um the whole story is there and the programs that we offer are there and
00:52:54
if they feel like they would like to donate that would be great. Every single dime goes back into helping the
00:52:59
community in one way, shape or form. If I could take a second and just touch on another program we offer. if if time
00:53:06
allows. Of course. Um we have another program that we started about 3 years ago. It's called Honoring Good
00:53:14
Deeds. And what it is is that keeping our girls safe has trained first responders to be peers to other first
00:53:26
responders in time of need. So we have a critical incident stress management team
00:53:33
of 35 first responders that if we are asked to come out even on one-on-one basis to another
00:53:41
first responder who's struggling, we will offer that service free of charge to any first responder. Um we have done
00:53:50
debriefings in group settings and we have done individuals. And one of the reasons why we started the secondary
00:53:56
program was because through the trial um you know we were pretty isolated during
00:54:02
that time. So we really didn't know what was happening in the outside world for quite a while after um we lost Sierra
00:54:10
and then the trial itself. And we learned through that that first responders from all over the state came
00:54:17
to help search for her and the Red Cross was even there to help search for her. and we had learned that they all had a
00:54:26
really hard time processing and going through this. Um, so whether they've been through a hundred million of them
00:54:34
and this is the one that that just, you know, brought it all home for them or whatever have you, but the thing is is
00:54:42
that there really wasn't a whole big response that was available out there to them for their own purposes. So here
00:54:50
they were giving everything they had of themselves to other people and there was
00:54:54
nobody to give back to them. So we decided to start this program. It is really important mental
00:55:03
healthwise. We want to keep our first responders resilient. So you know the old adage is is that the fireman's
00:55:10
running into the fire as everybody's running out is absolutely true. And if we can help keep them healthy and if
00:55:18
they have um appeared to talk to then we've done good things that way also because we also found out that jurors
00:55:28
the jurors on Sierra's trial had a really hard time afterwards processing through everything
00:55:34
that they had to hear and that they had to see. You get called in for jury duty.
00:55:38
Just because you're a registered voter doesn't mean that this is something that you signed up to listen to. but you do
00:55:45
because that is what you should do and they did a great job but then afterwards so they had mental health professionals
00:55:53
come in and help them and assist them and that is another reason why we started this team. So we we are um we we
00:56:02
sponsor it. We are sponsored by the 4ount mental health board out in our area that also supports that team. So,
00:56:13
we're trying to give back to the community any way that we possibly can for all the people that came out and
00:56:19
helped us. And any way we can keep people safer moving forward is just a plus. And for example, last year alone
00:56:27
in 2024, we were deployed 14 times to incidents, a traffic accidents, etc., etc. Wow.
00:56:38
And it's completely free and we do it of ourselves and the entire team 35 plus people uh we call and people show up.
00:56:49
Yep. To give back. That's incredible. That's incredible. Well, yes. and and I love to see that that you've taken
00:57:00
one good one very very good nonprofit organization and you've now we've turned it into two and you
00:57:08
guys are you guys are helping so many people and you said I I think you said 3500 attendees to your self-defense
00:57:18
classes. Yes, sir. Yes. That is amazing. And then you you periodically uh once or
00:57:25
twice a year you do these purse bingo fundraising events right there. And there's one coming. There's one in
00:57:32
November. Yes. The first Saturday in November. Mhm. And I don't think tickets are on
00:57:39
sale yet for that one, but uh when would they go on sale for that one, do you think? They probably won't go on sale
00:57:46
until Septemberish. And yes, we did switch genres, so to speak. Um Josh stepped down from being on the board and we
00:57:56
switched over from motorcycle rides to purse bingos. So Bob, myself, Sheila, Sierra's mom, and our daughter Mary are
00:58:06
all co-founders and run the organization now as it sits. So we um this will be our fourth bingo, I believe, and we sell
00:58:14
tickets to it. people can reserve a table, but it's a sounds like a really fun event because there's prizes,
00:58:21
there's raffles, there's things of that nature and a lot of people just having a
00:58:26
good time. Yes, absolutely. Um, we serve a a really nice dinner. We have mystery
00:58:33
boxes. We have all kinds of raffles, 50/50s, and then of course uh bingoing off the designer bags that we have. And
00:58:42
we get a really good turnout. I think we had 325 people this last one. So, yes, people support very much what we do. And
00:58:51
Nick, I can tell you these ladies show up to party. I'm going I'm going to be there 100% in in November. So, I'm
00:58:58
hoping that we have a lot of listeners here in Ohio. And you guys are I mean very close to the Michigan border. A lot
00:59:04
of listeners in Michigan as well. So, I'm hoping people will hear this and and buy tickets and join us there. that it
00:59:10
has um something that I'm a big fan of which is called a cash bar as I understand. And I So if if you if
00:59:18
you buy a ticket and you want to come in and see me, just look for the guy standing next to the cash bar. Uh
00:59:24
that'll probably be me. Hey guys, thank you so much for joining me today and talking to us and educating our
00:59:30
listeners a little bit and and um let's get some people to go to the website. Let's get some people to go to the the
00:59:37
bingo fundraiser event. And and if you can't go to that, if you can't buy a ticket for that, go and pick up a
00:59:43
keychain for you and for somebody that you love. Thank you very much. We appreciate it. We appreciate it.
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