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surrounding the nature of signature murder it perplexed investigators long before I began my career and well before
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the behavior aval science unit of the FBI and the profilers who work cases of serial killers for local
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white sharks from his book dark dreams just as the great white shark is the renowned predator of the oceans the
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sexual stist is the most dangerous and cunning of all aberant criminals he also presents the greatest challenge to law
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enforcement this is true crime garage a series of murders known for more than three decades as the Colonial
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Parkway murders started with two young innocent folks who we believe cross pass with a killer or killers on or near the
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Colonial Parkway on the evening of Saturday October 11th back in 1986 what would follow would be three
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more double murders that shared many similarities with the first murder of two so four sets of double murders eight
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innocent young folks all killed in a little less than a three-year time frame two of the four cases directly involve
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the Colonial Parkway the other two take place not too far from the parkway with speculation that the parkway was likely
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either traveled by the victim and or the killer or killers on those dark nights when the murders took place we covered
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these cases back in episodes 226 and 227 and recently for those who are nasty we
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provided an update on our other show off the Record available by subscription this was just last month following the
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new information and answers that finally came about early this year regarding two
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of the parkway victims and a third murder which is a much less known case that now will forever be linked to the
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parkway cases a little bit about the parkway itself this week's case takes place in historic
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Virginia on a Scenic Parkway an area treasured for its Colonial history and natural beauty this is a gorgeous 23m
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stretch of road that belongs to the National Park Service a desirable Drive linking the three points of Virginia's
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historic triangle Jamestown Williamsburg and Yorktown a roadway shielded from commercial development that does not
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allow semi-trucks it is toll-free and has speed limits of just 35 to 45 M hour it is also popular with tourists due to
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the James River and York River ends of the parkway an area that many have and will go out of their way to see and
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travel but then starting in 1986 there was great cause to avoid this area especially after dark because of the
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four brutal and senseless double murders of young couples now for the news that we got back in January this was almost
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almost news of the best kind Captain news that one could hope for in a cold case one of the double murders was
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finally solved this year news that we like to call God him news we were hoping for all four of course but then you have
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to go back to something that has been up for debate since these cases started big
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question were all of these cases committed by the same perpetrator one side of that argument is
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nothing of great significance regarding the forensic evidence is able to 100% tie these four cases together the other
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side of that table we have experts with the Virginia State Police and the FBI that say the four cases simply
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share far too many similarities that they are likely connected now here comes the very interesting
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exercise of of sort of reverse engineering these cases before we had four double sets of murders and we had
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suspects now we have proof positive that we got a guy that committed two of these
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eight Parkway murders so how does he stack up when compared to the previously discussed
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suspects does he look better for this than they do and how do we cross-compare the remaining three unsolved double
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murders with the recently solved one and can we draw any conclusions from there on off the record last month we looked
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at this killer and we spoke about what we know about him at the time and the other murder that he was connected to we
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spoke about what this could mean for the other Parkway murders and our thoughts on him being the likely perpetrator in
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those other three cases today what we are going to do is to speak a little bit more in depth about How likely we think
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he could be the perpetrator in those other three cases and we also want to talk about some other things that we've
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learned about this mysterious man and most importantly Captain I want to expand this timeline out a little bit
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more from Beyond the three years involving the parkway murders what other murders could this man be responsible
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for and why well who was this killer and how did law enforcement link him to these cases and another murder case as
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well yeah so we go back to January Captain this is when we learned from the Virginia State Police that Allan Wade
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Wilmer seni was responsible for the murders of Robin Edwards and David na they are two of the so-called Colonial
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Parkway victims Alan Wilmer is also responsible for the death of Teresa Howell now we said Gotti
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but let's temper that excitement a little bit right because Alan Wilmer is a dead man so there there wasn't that
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wonderful Gody moment there will be no trial no sentencing no Victim Impact statements given no punishment carried
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out for Alan Wilmer well maybe I'm an awful person but I don't mind when an evil person dies the big question is did
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he kill others I think so and we will talk about who but if he did he took those secrets to the Grave
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right now this is from our friends and oxygen filling Us in on some of the information that we we covered on off
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the Record and some information that our great listeners may already be aware of
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but the people at oxygen to sum it up they say on Monday January 8th 2024 the Virginia State Police and
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multiple law enforcement agencies announced a suspect in the 1987 double murder of David L nobling he was 20
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years old and Robin M Edwards who was 14 both of whom were shot to death near a wildlife refuge in Isle of White
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County the nobbling Edwards murders were believed to be part of a cluster of double murders between 1986 and 1989
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called the colonial Parkway murders officials say DNA helped them narrow in on suspect Allan W Wilmer senior Allan
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Wade Wilmer senior of Northern Neck Virginia not just for the nobbling Edwards homicides but also for the 1989
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rape and strangulation murder of 29-year-old Teresa who also went by Terry Lynn Spa how so Teresa how is who
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how we refer to her going forward Lieutenant Colonel Tim lion and director of the Virginia State Police Bureau of
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Criminal investigations thanked the victim's families for decades of patience and
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understanding adding quote only those who have suffered the loss of a child in this way can truly understand the depth
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of their sorrow and the frustration over not knowing who was responsible for taking their loved ones life in such a
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violent cruel way end quote he goes on to say I do hope the identification of the killer brings some sense of closure
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and peace for them Wilmer died in 2017 as we pointed out this means he won't face prosecution for his crimes
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now what else do we know about Alan Wilmer this is from the good folks over at the Virginia Gazette so Allan Wade
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Wilmer Senor died alone you you said captain that you don't mind that he's dead I don't either it it does help some
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things you do wish that he would have been identified sooner and would have served some form of punishment for his
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horrific acts but I guess we're going to take a little bit of a little bit of Glee in the fact that he died alone like
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it sounds like he was aranged from his family so he died alone in his Northern Neck home more than six years ago nobody
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found him for weeks in fact it was a delivery driver who finally spotted an open door to Wilmer home this on
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December 15th 2017 well the guy was such a piece of [ __ ] that nobody was looking for him
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nobody's contact with him he doesn't sound like he was in communication with anybody so this delivery driver decides
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all right I'm goingon to do a little bit of snooping here opens up a door looks inside sees this man dead and calls the
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Lancaster County Sheriff's Office office because of the condition of the body the State medical examiner's office
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was called into investigate this is when they collected Wilmer DNA right this is because they
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wanted to positively identify the decomposing remains that were found and they were hoping to determine the cause
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of death now we should note here that Wilmer was 63 years of age when he died and according to what I could find it
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sounds like he died of a hardening of the arteries but the DNA that examiners collected in 2017 ended up being crucial
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evidence a few years later and that's when the FBI and Virginia State Police sought Wilmer genetic material as part
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of their investigation into the Colonial Parkway murders well they did this because he was on the radar before yes
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and I believe that's going to be surprising news for a lot of people out there listening so Wilmer was never a
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convicted felon so his genetic profile was never submitted to DNA databases while he was alive right here we have a
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quote it says it was lucky that there was DNA taken at his death this according to a law enforcement source
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with knowledge of the case adding there was a little bit of Fortune here that his DNA was on record and wasn't in the
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ground or by the way side this I this is really interesting to kind of sit and Ponder for a little bit because you know
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one thing that I love to repeat on here is the reminder the sad disturbing reminder that often in these cases the
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only P the victims never get lucky because they don't get away they don't escape with their lives they don't live
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to tell the story they don't live to turn the person in that assaulted them or attempted to harm them right the
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killer gets lucky especially in these cases that go cold the the killer gets lucky for a multitude of reasons it it
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could be because they evidence was lost or they happen to be able to commit a crime at a time where no eyewitnesses
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were witness what happened and and you you can go on and on with that list but here we have the very rare
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situation where something that's kind of happen stance takes place triggers a domino effect of this individual's
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DNA and as you said captain and I believe several of our listeners will be surprised to find out this guy wasn't
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totally off the radar he was somebody that the police had looked at before in fact at one time he was the prime
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suspect in the Colonial Parkway murders not just the murders that he's been definitively connected to today in
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2024 the noblins Edwards murder but possibly all of them at one time he was the prime suspect in all of those
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murders and we're going to get into that detail here in just a second but that's
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what's interesting so at some point they must have decided to circle the wagons right and they're like oh we should find
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out if this guy who's in our file already who we were looking at back in the day who mind you was air quotes
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cleared yeah maybe we take fresh fresh eyes on put some fresh eyes on this and take a new look at some of the
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information we've already collected dust off those files and see if the guy or at
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least a person who's responsible for one of the sets of murders out of the four is already in our file a lot of times
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you know we we turn on the TV these days we listen to a podcast and we're hearing
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about every few weeks DNA genealogy detective work has definitively linked so and so to the murders of a person
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from 30 40 50 years ago and I was saying this a couple years ago I mean every year we're going to see more and more
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cases get solved there were two cases that were solved yesterday two cases two cold cases solved yesterday because of
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this and because of this science we're going to have so many we're going to have a higher percentage
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of cold cases that get solved in the next five years well the technology it would stand a reason that the technology
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would only get better that's only going to help in these cases especially ones where they tell us that the DNA we're
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we're waiting to test it we're waiting for technology to to catch up to the evidence that we have so yeah you're
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right that's it's only going to continue to snowball hopefully right and here we
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we find out that it is not like a lot of the headlines that we see today where it's like this guy was never a suspect
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he was never somebody that we looked at here it's the opposite where we learn Wilmer was not only looked at but was
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determined to be by several persons involved in the investigation as the prime suspect UMO Nuno umero
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Uno Numero Uno Numero Uno Prime Suspect yeah this guy is the apex predator they had him as
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their number one suspect cuz look it's not a scenario where some random guy died and they were like well he was an
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[ __ ] to his family he was a real dick mouth so we're going to have to uh test his DNA to see if he did any crimes
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that's not what happens this guy was number one suspect and they go well he just happened to die
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we have his DNA we probably should test it against some of the evidence we have in these other cases yeah he was only 63
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when he died in 2017 and it sounds like in 2017 it's a little murky how close they were looking at him
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then it's so here's the information that we get and you can make of this what you
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will the official record is DNA was linked to three killings in June of 2023 okay now let's take this back a
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couple years prior so about 2 years ago law enforcement and forensic analysts determined that the unknown killer in
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the Isle of white case also killed a woman in Hampton two years later so the the official word is or statement from
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Virginia State Police spokeswoman Karen Geller was that we had a common suspect so they knew at that
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time two years prior that we have a common suspect the the same person that killed these two individuals also killed
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this other individual so but that person that person was unknown to them that person was a ghost to them he had not
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been identified so Teresa Lyn Howell age 29 who was last seen leaving the Zodiac
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club that was a then popular night spot in East Mercury on East Mercury Boulevard so she's leaving at about 2:30
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a.m. on July 1st 1989 the Hampton police said that construction workers found her body
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about seven or eight hours later in a wooded area this is in the 500 block of Butler Farm Road the reason why they
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find her is the site was being developed as part of the Hampton Roads Center they
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determined early on that she had been sexually assaulted and strangled then fast forward to 1995 the Hampton police
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actually end up charging a different man not Wilmer who was still alive at the time they charged a different man with
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House's murder and considered him for capital murder charge this was a 32-year-old man I guess he spent about
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four months in custody for this before being cleared on DNA evidence so the science saved this
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32-year-old man from going away forever yeah thank God the science saved him then that case remains unsolved for all
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of these years but like you said to put it in simple terms we have this double homicide we have DNA there we have this
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single homicide we have DNA there well we know that the DNA matches but like you said both know who it is we don't
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yeah we can't connect that to a a good suspect and then it's in June of last year that they put the Allan Wade Wilmer
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the first time you know where we're going next because what we have is Virginia State Police and the
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FBI they want to know more about this Allan Wade Wilmer senior they want to know about his life his his timeline so
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here here's a statement the FBI continues to have multiple open investigations that we're looking at to
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see if Mr Wilmer is connected to include other cases a spokesperson for the FBI says while he
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may or may not be connected to other cases we are still pursuing Justice for victims so the really what they're
00:31:38
talking about of obviously is is he connected to the other Colonial Parkway murders right that would be the most
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likely that's the first thing that everybody's going to grasp and comprehend from this statement and from
00:31:51
the press conference that was that took place announcing that this guy's guilty right and they're saying like they what
00:31:59
they are saying is the DNA evidence definitively means it so there's no nice way of putting this but in both cases
00:32:07
there was a rape sexual assault and a murder they have his DNA from those rapes now we know that he's done these
00:32:19
three murders how many other murders even beyond the Colonial Parkway cases could
00:32:26
he be connected to what little that we know about this man Alan Wade Wilmer Senor is we we know he
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has a son that's why we keep I keep saying senior we know that he has a brother we know that he lived with his
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brother for a period of time it sounds like he may have lived with his brother on and off for years we know that he
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drove a truck he owned a boat for a while we know that he worked as a waterman for a while he worked the
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waters off of the coast of of Virginia and probably even down into the North Carolina area at some point he goes to
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he switches careers you know keep in mind for most of his life Allan Wade Wilmer Senor worked for himself that's
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one of the things that makes his timeline so difficult for law enforcement so he works as a waterman
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and then later he works as he owns what I believe is called best tree service where he goes around and you know
00:33:32
cutting down trees and things of that nature which one means he traveled often yeah and and sometimes look with with
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the water business and with the tree business in both scenarios you're going to be you're kind of chasing the work
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right like when you do he was in the Oyster business so you're you're you're chasing the oysters essentially in the
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tree business yeah you can just drop drive around to random neighborhoods and say hey would you like me to trim that
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tree or you could get calls to your best tree service and show up for an appointment to trim a tree or cut down a
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tree or or to take apart a Fallen Tree let's go that fallen tree idea because one thing that these tree guys do is
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they chase storms when storm comes in and it damages and knocks down a bunch of trees you can drive out to that
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location and get a bunch of work quick yeah this makes it a lot more difficult for law enforcement it's not like when
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they're looking for the Scranton Strangler and they have to go interview Michael Scott they go well where do you
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work at the Paper Company what days a week do you work so you know where his location is every day every day that he
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was at work he's at Dunder Mifflin this guy every day of the week he's at a different job site and keep in mind what
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we do know now that is definitive is that he committed murders in two different counties Hampton County
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and Isle of White County and we know this from the three murders that police are saying he absolutely
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committed one thing that is will work in law enforcement's favor here because what this is a big ask right you're
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asking the public go back in your mind and can you recall some stuff from the mid to late 80s even early
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90s where you had an interaction with this guy we're trying to place where he was
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what was he up to so the one things that that they have a few things that are working in their favor right is he owns
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a boat not everybody in their brother owns a boat he owns a boat the Denny Wade is the name of his
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boat the truck that he drove in used for a long he used this truck for for a long
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period of time it's a unique truck it's an older model truck and we'll get into that description here in a minute but
00:36:08
the other thing too that I think that police and law enforcement might have in their favor here Captain is he has what
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I would refer to as a distinctive physical appearance Allan Wade Wilmer senior was
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5'5 in tall so he's quite short but he's also quite muscular yeah Caucasian male who is
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nowhere near average height and these guys one thing we know is these guys always have someone who got
00:36:42
away and it doesn't even have to the the situation does not even have to escalate
00:36:48
to a high level of violence but these guys always have someone who got away now we know that he had someone who got
00:36:57
away and that how he ends up on police radar to begin with back in the late 80s Allan Wade Wilmer Senor we have when
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these Parkway murders are are taking place there are several persons that contact law enforcement and they say
00:37:13
look I was out on the parkway me and my girlfriend or I was out on the Parkway by myself and I was approached by
00:37:22
someone someone came up to my vehicle and approached me and and he's was this short white guy muscular looking white
00:37:30
guy and oh he drove this truck which is an older model truck and in fact it's a 1966 truck so keep in mind this truck's
00:37:40
over 20 years old at the time of the Colonial Parkway murders so that in itself make it will make it unique yeah
00:37:48
sticks out like a sore thumb a lot of times you can give a great description to police regarding the headlights if
00:37:57
you look at this truck it's got the old rounded headlights it was we have pictures of it
00:38:04
being painted blue with white lettering on the sides now I we can't speak to what color this
00:38:13
truck was for the entirety that it was in its use it could have been multiple colors over the years we cannot say that
00:38:19
that white lettering was on the sides of the truck for all of its use we do know
00:38:25
that he had that tree service which would make we've all seen those in our neighborhoods the trucks that drive
00:38:30
around that have the contractor's business name and telephone number website on the side of the Vans
00:38:39
or trucks and that's what appears to be here best tree service but they get several people that that come forward
00:38:47
and he had a vanity plate em raw is what his vanity plate stated em raw so you have this
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information that's coming in and it points to a very specific person right it's not like oh now we're just looking
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for some short white guy no we we get a description of this truck that's got the
00:39:11
tool boxes in the back and it's old and it's got vanity plates and so very quickly they hone in on this guy yeah it
00:39:19
says best tree service cutting down trees and also murder they're able to find this truck and find the man that it
00:39:28
belongs to but he's also a hunter he so he'd be out in those areas anyways he would
00:39:36
have knowledge of different weapons there's a lot of things that kind of point to the idea that he's a good
00:39:44
suspect yeah they they pull up to go talk to him and they decide hey let's not pull up so fast and let's not go
00:39:51
question this guy so fast let's he's outside he's doing something let's let's see what he's doing and when they first
00:39:57
cross paths with this man they spot him painting his truck and this is shortly after some of
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the uh murders and then the disappearances they believe of course their detective spidey sense is going to
00:40:14
kick in and they're going to go this guy looks like he's trying to cover up some
00:40:19
evidence you know that he's trying to hide this truck from us and from other people by disguising this truck so armed
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with this information they get a search warrant from a judge they go and search his dwelling where he's living where
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he's staying I believe when they make this search he's living with his brother at the time we we should go into the
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lifestyle a little bit more that that we know about Allen but yeah so he works for himself all these years but it
00:40:50
didn't seem like he had two nickels to rub together to get his own place well some of that comes back to the Waterman
00:40:57
job so you'll see like this is very common work in this area of the country where a lot of uh people especially a
00:41:06
lot of men work in this line of work most of them don't own boats most of them are going out with a captain right
00:41:13
they're going out with somebody that owns a boat and they're part of a team this man for most of the time it seems
00:41:18
that he worked alone Be and had the ability to do so because he had his own boat and from my understanding Captain
00:41:25
what he would do is he would live with his brother who has been married for a long
00:41:33
time and so I'm assuming he's living with his not just his brother but his brother's
00:41:39
family but he would live with them for periods of time but then he would also go out when this when the seasons would
00:41:45
hit when the when the water work would be especially busy he would live on his boat for days or even maybe a couple
00:41:56
weeks at a time right so his comings and goings are very difficult to nail down because of his
00:42:04
line of work over the years and his his living situation well yeah and if he went missing for a week his brother and
00:42:14
his brother's family is not going to be concerned because they're just like well
00:42:17
he probably out on the boat working this is this is all very interesting because
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I I want to go back to our 2018 coverage we were discussing theories And discussing the theories that we
00:42:30
thought were more favorable more likely and that there were a lot of theories to
00:42:37
be considered we had limited time to present them to you so we only discussed the ones that we thought were the most
00:42:45
likely and this is this is exact wording from my notes from the 2018 coverage of the Colonial Parkway
00:42:53
murders it says one one theory is the so-called Waterman Theory and I wrote this is a
00:43:01
theory that I find extremely interesting this theory was developed largely because one the locations of the murders
00:43:08
were all near waterways and two the diesel fuel that was used in the first set of
00:43:15
murders is not super common for motorist but is very common for boats to power boats in this scenario one one one
00:43:27
of the first crimes there was diesel fuel that was used to attempt to cover up the crime Scene cover up and burn
00:43:35
some of the evidence and it was theorized that well a person with a boat a person on a boat this is something
00:43:45
that they would have with them already they wouldn't have to make a special trip to go and get this item diesel fuel
00:43:53
and attempt to use it to cover up their crimes the other thing that made the Waterman Theory
00:44:00
interesting was if you look at where some of these crimes take place or at least as far as where the victims were
00:44:08
were left right in some scenarios traveling by boat would also explain how the killer would manage to escape without
00:44:16
being seen walking along the parkway driving along the parkway having to risk leaving his car yeah having to risk
00:44:25
leaving his vehicle par somewhere while he's attacking people yeah because if you see one car on the side of the road
00:44:33
it doesn't throw a lot of red flags up in your head but if you see two cars and one's not a service car you start going
00:44:41
well that's a little odd especially if you don't see anybody around normally if you see two cars pulled over on the side
00:44:48
of the road it's somebody that stopped to help the other individual but you see those individuals out by their car so if
00:44:54
you just see here's a car it's parked there's nobody around doesn't doesn't bring up that
00:45:02
many red flags to me so for those that haven't been following or haven't listened to those episodes let's give a
00:45:08
little refresher of the four main cases yeah so let's go back to the parkway case timeline we'll start at October
00:45:17
12th 1986 now it's believed that our two victims here were attacked the night before that they crossed paths with
00:45:26
their killer the night before for their bodies were not found until the following day fairly early in the day so
00:45:33
on October 12th 1986 the bodies of Kathleen Thomas age 27 and Rebecca dowski age
00:45:40
21 they were found at a pulloff on the parkway Kathleen Thomas she owned a Honda Civic it was one of those
00:45:52
hatchbacks a jogger he's out running and well I guess he's not running he's jogging technically he spots this Honda
00:46:01
Civic that is like down in an embankment this embankment goes down to the water and so he thinks he sees like oh
00:46:13
this is just a somebody wrecked their car they were probably drunk driving or lost control
00:46:20
of their vehicle and probably abandon the vehicle no he gets a a little close to the vehicle and figures out that's
00:46:29
not the scenario at all and now we're bringing in the authorities it was determined by
00:46:37
investigators they find the bodies of these poor young women inside the vehicle and it was determined by the
00:46:46
investigators that most likely after the two were killed that the killer attempted to push
00:46:54
the vehicle over the embankment like trying to conceal the can I can I push this car into the water if I can at
00:47:03
least push it down to the point where it rolls down this embankment it would at least be
00:47:08
concealed from the roadway and not likely to be spotted unless somebody were to go into that pool off and park
00:47:16
nearby or be walking near very nearby the killer also tried unsuccessfully to set the vehicle on
00:47:25
fire and this is where the diesel fuel comes into play the victims had been strangled and their throats were cut I
00:47:35
wonder if he was using diesel fuel for his boat yes that's the suspicion here and that's that was one of the keys that
00:47:42
got them to the Waterman Theory it wasn't an overly popular Theory at the time but nonetheless it was one of the
00:47:52
theories and as we now know a correct Theory well should at least factor in big time because we know that a waterman
00:48:01
was responsible for two of the murders unfortunately with the cleen Thomas and Rebecca dowski the first in the
00:48:08
series Allan Wade Wilmer Senor has not been definitively connected to those murders we don't need to get into the
00:48:17
complications and some of the issues with each of these four investigations if you want to get into that into the
00:48:23
weeds with that business go back and listen to the 2018 coverage because we certainly go through all of the hurdles
00:48:32
that were that came along with these each of these cases and the complications of the investigations all
00:48:39
the hurdles and all the minutia then we go to September 20th 1987 so we're not quite one year from
00:48:49
the Thomas dowski murders this is the David nobling Robin Edwards murders the one
00:48:56
that would be connected to Alan Wade Wilmer Senor through the DNA evidence so David nobling truck is found
00:49:05
abandoned in a parking lot the door one of the doors at least one of the doors is open the radio is
00:49:12
left on David's wallet is found on the dashboard three days later Robin Edwards and David nobling bodies were discovered
00:49:21
near the shoreline of the Ragged Island Wildlife Refuge this is an aisle of white
00:49:28
County that was that was a couple miles down river from the James River Bridge where
00:49:36
nobling pickup was found unattended in that small parking lot both of these victims were shot to
00:49:45
death and Robin Edwards as we know was sexually assaulted so this is where you can you
00:49:52
can see when we just go through a short description a brief description of both of these crimes you see some
00:49:59
similarities and you also see some Stark differences what's interesting here Captain
00:50:07
is Allan Wade Wilmer Senor was not a prime suspect back in 1987 for the nobbling Edwards murders
00:50:17
but we know from the DNA evidence that he was the perpetrator of those two murders he comes onto the police radar
00:50:27
after the third set of crimes so April 10th 1988 now we are roughly a year and a
00:50:37
half from the first case we have Keith call age 20 and Cassandra Haley she's age 18 these two go missing they
00:50:45
attended a college party we should point out that in a lot of these cases the in each of these
00:50:53
cases in fact still to this day all of these persons are referred to as couples yes they're coupled together because
00:51:01
they're hanging out that night but Keith call and Cassandra Haley as far as everyone's considered they were not in a
00:51:07
relationship together they're just friends that were hanging out attending the same party that night so they go
00:51:13
missing it's something that people have disputed but well I think that's important to point out and here's why
00:51:21
because a lot of times when people try to come up with their own little offender
00:51:27
profile right here it's easy for persons to go he was targeting couples well you you can't say that there's
00:51:36
there's no evidence to say that yes we have we have four different situations where couples are killed two people that
00:51:42
are coupled together are killed together but I don't think it would be obvious to
00:51:48
everybody out there that Kathleen Thomas and Rebecca dowski in 1986 were in fact
00:51:54
a couple they're they're both women right it wouldn't be obvious to a stranger that they're an actual couple
00:52:01
now the other three you have a male and female in each case and so one could make the assumption that they're couples
00:52:10
but as said Keith call and cassandre Haley if P if the person responsible knew them they would know that in fact
00:52:18
they weren't a couple so you can't say in your profile that they were targeting persons that were
00:52:26
involved in a romantic relationship a couple so they go missing you'll hear the similarities
00:52:33
here with case number three compared to number two Keith Call's Toyota Celica is
00:52:37
found on the Colonial Parkway inside the vehicle are several articles of clothing
00:52:44
belonging to Keith and Cassandra and also found are the car keys they are both presumed dead their
00:52:55
bodies have never been found this is the only case out of the four where the bodies have never been
00:53:01
recovered in all of these three cases so far I want to point out one strong strong
00:53:10
similarity it would appear that whoever abducted because that's what you have to
00:53:17
do you have to abduct and control and then kill these individuals whoever abducted these
00:53:24
individuals they manipulated the vehicle in all three scenarios now it's difficult for the
00:53:33
captain and I to sit here and go okay the victim may have done this with the vehicle or the perpetrator may
00:53:39
have done it but what we have here is we have victim's family members that are saying David nobling would have never
00:53:50
left his truck in the way that it was found door open radio on his wallet on the
00:53:58
dashboard I don't think most people would leave their car like that well and in the Keith call Cassandra Haley case
00:54:06
the the most recent one that we're discussing the 1988 case police take a look at this and they're like oh yeah
00:54:12
their clothing's in the car and the car keys are in there too they probably just
00:54:16
they're out skinny dipping somewhere no it's April 10th and it was very cold they're not in cold water skinny dipping
00:54:23
together if they wanted to if they wanted to find themselves in a in a situation they
00:54:29
could have just went and parked the car somewhere or went to some you know went to someone's home or apartment those two
00:54:37
unfortunately as we said have never been found and then obviously as far as M manipulating the vehicle goes it's it's
00:54:45
obvious in the first case I mean the pushed over an embankment and DED with diesel
00:54:53
fuel yeah that's not how I leave my car one of the bodies stuffed into the back in the hatchback yeah so somebody's
00:55:00
doing something with these these vehicles and it's all aart of all three of these
00:55:06
crimes and then we go this is this is where we have if all four of these are 100% connected this is when we have a
00:55:14
bit of a of a delay so April 10th 1988 Keith call Cassandra Haley case now we're going to go all the way out to
00:55:21
September 5th 1989 so well over a year later we have Anna Maria Phelps age 18 Daniel low age
00:55:31
21 they disappeared from an Interstate 64 rest stop in New Kent County so keep in mind we we're bringing
00:55:41
another County into the equation when we look at this potential series of murders
00:55:47
Low's vehicle which is a Chevy Nova is found on the westbound exit ramp keys in the ignition so the they go
00:55:58
missing the vehicle's found the next day the bodies are not found for 6 weeks so
00:56:04
six weeks later after the vehicle is found the bodies are discovered by hunters out in a wooded area Phelps have
00:56:10
been stabbed to death and L's body was too decomposed to determine the cause of death now with this vehicle again keys
00:56:19
in the ignition was found on the westbound exit ramp the reason why we can say this case
00:56:28
that the vehicle may have been manipulated the crime scene may have been altered heck they may have been
00:56:38
intercepted by the killer elsewhere and then this vehicle moved and left on the westbound exit
00:56:44
ramp on Interstate 64 why because they were not westbound they were not heading in that direction
00:56:53
the vehicle was facing in the ab in the absolute opposite 180 degree direction of the direction that they would have
00:57:00
been traveling so where and how again in this scenario as with the others the vehicle is
00:57:10
found positioned or in a location that doesn't make any sense to anyone that knows these people or to law
00:57:20
enforcement well it seemed like this killer wanted to make the bodies disappear so then obviously you don't have that
00:57:29
evidence but they also wanted to make the cars disappear but that's sometimes harder to do I wouldn't
00:57:36
be surprised too if there are things with some of these vehicles or thoughts of the perpetrator that they wanted to
00:57:44
maybe plant the idea that the vehicle was the motive that the vehicle was stolen right or an attempt to steal the
00:57:55
vehicle I I can see that with some of the evidence and some of the details of each one of these
00:58:02
cases but we still have the Hampton murder to discuss as well as other possible cases that we can connect Allan
00:58:11
Wade Wilmer senior to want to thank everybody for joining us here in the garage each and every
00:58:26
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