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murder of a Beechwood woman we just spoke with Cleveland Police who tell us they are still looking for a suspect
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Elisa Sherman was stabbed to death behind the Galleria in downtown Cleveland on Sunday the coroner's office
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said today she was stabbed 11 times we know that surveillance cameras in the area captured the attack that video is
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now in the hands of Cleveland Police Sherman was the mother of four and a nurse at the Cleveland Clinic she was
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stabbed to death after leaving her divorce attorney's office foreign [Music] 24 2013 Cleveland Ohio Jennifer Sherman was
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at the end of a long Sunday study session when she received a text message from her 17 year old brother Jeremy the text
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read are you with Mom or do you know where she is Jeremy is asking his older sister
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Jennifer about their mother Eliza Eliza had gone out hours ago she stated before
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leaving that she had errands to run and when she came home she promised to bring
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back pizza and now Jeremy was hungry and he is still waiting for his mother to return for most of the day Jennifer had
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silenced her phone while cramming for an exam she's a college student Jennifer's mother Elisa had in fact sent
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a text message to her earlier that day this would be around 2 55 P.M to say that she was meeting with her attorney
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Gregory Moore at his downtown Cleveland office and her son Jeremy he's 17 at the
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time and why would Elisa be going to see an attorney well this is because she's going to meet with him to discuss the
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final preparations for her divorce proceedings the proceedings were going to take place that same week in just a
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couple of days in fact so the date in question the date that we're discussing here is March 24th it's a Sunday it's my
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understanding that these proceedings were supposed to start on Tuesday on that Tuesday so just two
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days later now at this point it's 7 45 p.m that's when Jennifer received the text from her little brother
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so this is late this according to Jennifer this is late for there to be a concern from her brother about her
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mother's whereabouts Jennifer as we said is older than Jeremy so she does not live at home with Jeremy and their
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mother Elisa and she gets this text and so now she's worried about her mother Jennifer's extremely close with her
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mother they spoke or they hung out nearly every day so at a little after 7 45 PM Jennifer
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called Eliza's cell phone trying to get a hold of her no matter when Jennifer had called her in the past Eliza would
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always pick up the phone but this time was different the mother her mother did not answer her
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phone Jennifer tried a second time again nothing so she called Jeremy she called to try
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to figure out where Elisa could be maybe you know where did Mother where could she have gone right well their their
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mother also was a nurse so maybe they're thinking that it's possible she got called into work
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possibility uh the the information that she gets from Jeremy is that before she had left Eliza told Jeremy that she was
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heading to their grandmother's house the grandmother lived in Cleveland Heights uh and Elisa was going there to get some
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medicine and then she was going to run errands and then we remember we said return home with the pizza for her and
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Jeremy for dinner now the grandmother her name is Doris sorry Doris their grandmother had a home in Cleveland
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Heights but she also lived in Florida on this day on March 24 2013 Doris is at her Florida home so
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after getting this information from her younger brother Jeremy Jennifer called her mother one more time
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and right well let's let's think about that for a second she could be still checking on the house or something right
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she she might not be visiting her mom but she might be checking on her mother's house
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yeah well okay so there's there's a lot of thought that that you should probably
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put into this and and I know these are probably things that we're going through Jennifer's mind at the time right you
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know so we have you know there there's this moment when someone you love and someone you care about they're they're
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essentially missing even though it's just for an hour or two or a couple of hours and it's starting to get later and
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you're starting to get concerned it does get very concerning when you're trying to call them and they're not responding
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to your calls people that that live with this person they're wondering where she could be for
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a few hours now and so for some of us your mind starts to race for others you know you start to play a little head
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detective what are the possibilities where could this person be where do I go first to look for her
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and that's what you have to look into here we have Doris the grandmother like you said even though she's out of town
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she could still need to stop by the house she could still need to check on the place pick up the mail who knows
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but the but what Jennifer is thinking about here when she goes through these possibilities is she's remembering the
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text that she got from her mother at 2 55 that afternoon stating that her mother was going to see her attorney
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Gregory Moore at his downtown Cleveland office from my understanding that's about as
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much information as what Eliza provided her daughter in that text Jennifer's thoughts are this
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she may have used Doris's home may have used the grandmother's home as an excuse
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to leave stating hey I gotta drop my grandmother's house I'm also going to run some errands pick up a pizza
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the reason being is that she's very close to her mother and she knew that Elisa was keeping
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kind of keeping the information regarding the divorce a little a little quiet a little on the hush and hush with
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inside the house and especially with Jeremy he's the youngest of four children right and he's pretty sensitive
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about the parents splitting up so she may have just simply used this as you know this is this is why I'm going
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to be gone but I'm actually going to my attorneys uh for a meeting so after Jennifer gets off the phone with her
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younger brother Jeremy she gets that information from him now she's going to try to call her mother one more time and
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now she got no answer this time she hung up the phone and she called Gregory Moore's office Eliza's
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attorney there was no answer at the attorney's office as well I think the issue here Captain is is
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more of not so much where could she be you know because it's a little vague when someone says hey I'm I'm going out
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and running some errands or you know I have this one meeting to go to but then you talk to your brother and it seems
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like there's a possibility if she had several other places to go to as well I think that's not so much the concern I
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think the concern for Jennifer and probably for Jeremy as well is anytime we called our mother in the past
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she picked up the phone or text her right yeah yeah so so I think that's the big concern there is why is our mother
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not answering her phone so that's when I think that and also you know sometimes when something bad
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happens to a family member that you just have an intuition about you that you just kind of feel something yeah I I can
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agree with that wholeheartedly at this point Jennifer very concerned she decides to run out to her car and she's
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going to take off in search of her mother now there's a lot of things that are probably going through her head maybe
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maybe Eliza was in some kind of accident some kind of car accident never made it
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downtown to see her attorney maybe her maybe it was something as simple as her phone is dead broken or
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lost uh the only trouble with that it doesn't fully explain Elisa's absence you know if her phone were dead or lost
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you would think she would return home at some time while she's out looking for her mother
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while Jennifer's out looking for Elisa she gets a phone call finally she thought her mother had returned home
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but that turns out not to be the case this is Doris calling Jennifer's phone Doris is the grandmother she had been
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trying to reach Elisa for hours that day doors told Jennifer that Elisa's brother
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Harry had tried calling Elisa a couple times that day as well but Elisa never answered her phone
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so Jennifer drove around frantically by this point looking for her mother after a while her phone rang again this time
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it was Jeremy calling her back Jeremy had had some troubling and disturbing news
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the Cleveland Police Department had called him they called the house and they were on their way to the Sherman
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household and they wanted to talk to the family now Jeremy Eliza and Sanford live at
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this home Sanford is Eliza's husband who she's working on splitting up with you know getting separated from permanently
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right and so seems like he was out of town a lot on business and then well personal business
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yeah yeah with us there's some question marks there but it seems like he's out of town a lot and then possibly that he
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was staying like somewhere else here and there or like staying with a friend so because
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anybody that's been through a divorce hears that they're living together all the way to the end of the divorce uh
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sometimes that happens but most of the time it doesn't I mean and and normally you're fighting so much that you don't
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want to be under the same roof Yeah well yeah I think that um he was often at the home I think for
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the purpose of as far as the postal service is concerned he lived there but I think I think you're right male
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there I think Samford was not required to be there nor did he at times choose to be there yeah
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so now after getting this phone call from her younger brother Jennifer raced to the her mother's home she called her
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boyfriend while she was on the way and asked if he could meet her at her parents place well this is never a good
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sign I mean no okay the police department is saying hey we'd like to talk to you
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uh but we're not going to tell you what it is until we get there you know somebody's dead well that phone
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call would be bad enough but let's top that off with you've spent now time looking trying to track down your mother
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so not only do you have concern that something bad has happened as to a loved one you might have a good idea which
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loved one it is at this point well right and but if she was in a car accident you
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would assume that the police would just say hey your mother was in an accident and she's at such and such hospital or
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unless she passed away in that car accident I I guess yeah well I I only say that from experience I know somebody
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that died in a car accident and I was notified face to face from a police officer I I was actually I had no clue
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why the police officer wanted anything to talk to me about and the drug is in your basement and I found out that that
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somebody that I knew had had died that day in a car accident anyway so we have Jennifer she's racing to her parents
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home she's called her boyfriend asking him to meet her there she gets they're about 10 minutes after receiving the
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call from Jeremy when she got there she asked Jeremy to join her outside it was cold that night but she and Jeremy were
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going to wait for the police inside her car they did this because they this was of
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Jennifer's choosing let's say she wanted to do this leaving her father their father Samford inside the home by
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himself Jennifer's boyfriend arrived at the Sherman home shortly after and waited with Jeremy and Jennifer for the
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police it took a while for the police to arrive and it was too detected hold on a
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second because you'd assume that the daughter would want to be with her father um but that's not the case that's
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definitely not the case here okay so maybe a little foreshadowing of family Dynamics well the three of them waited
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outside and when the police arrived it was two detectives and they did not have good news the detectives told the two
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members of the Sherman family that their mother had been attacked earlier that day the detectives told Jennifer and
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Jeremy that that just after 5 30 p.m the police along with an ambulance and EMTs
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they had responded to a 9-1-1 call their mother had been attacked and she had been stabbed repeatedly and was found
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clinging to life just about 25 to 30 feet from the entryway to the building that housed her attorney's law firm's
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office an employee that was on the fourth floor of 75 Erie View Plaza now from my understanding this is not the
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same building that Eliza was attempting to go into so this man sorry his name is Kenny
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Shepard he says he heard screams and when he heard screams he rushed downstairs and outside by the time he
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had arrived to Eliza she was struggling to stand she's she's falling over blood was coming out of her mouth
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Kenny Shepard immediately called 9-1-1 the dispatch answered 9-1-1 what is your emergency Kenny
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yelled into his phone Cleveland Ohio hurry it's bad the dispatcher asked what's bad Kenny
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says this lady she's been attacked I don't know if it was gunshots I don't know if if she was stabbed she's
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bleeding yeah pretty bad yeah the operator could hear Kenny shouting at Eliza as he tried to help her right and
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Eliza is not just laying there well he's he can be heard Kenny can be heard telling her to stay on the ground right
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he's saying don't move stay on the ground don't get on your feet stay on the ground so she's trying to get up she
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Yeah by this point she had fallen and she's trying to get up he's I mean she's in horrible shape by this point to the
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point where you hear Kenny saying he's begging her stay with me okay stay with me please stay with me
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at that point Eliza tried to cry out but he couldn't understand anything she was
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was saying right when she when Eliza tried to talk again this time Elisa coughed up blood instead of making an
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audible sound or putting together words right Kenny rolled Eliza onto her stomach trying to get the blood out of
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her her throat and mouth he's telling the dispatcher there is blood everywhere I've never seen this
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much blood then he can be heard then he could hear the sirens coming and he shouted lady stay with me all right they
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are coming they are coming then back to the operator the operator he's he's telling the operator she's
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going fast this lady's going fast right Eliza was eventually taken by ambulance to the emergency room of Metro Health
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Medical Center where at 6 14 p.m on March 24th 2013 Eliza Sherman a devoted mother of four was pronounced dead
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[Music] all right we're back cheers and happy holidays to everybody I'm sure at this
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point Captain the detectives have plenty of questions for elise's family even you know I'm sure that elise's
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family have even more questions for the detectives unfortunately when the detectives show
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up they don't have many answers for elise's family they they show up with the Arsenal full of questions of Their
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Own the probably the first question I would have and I'm sure most people on the uh
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in the public had as well is you know because this could be a big situation this could be a big question
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to answer this could eliminate a lot of potential suspects and was this a random
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attack or was this a planned attack because at first glance you have the elements here that could lead you or
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lead one to conclude either so an attack on the streets downtown downtown Cleveland big city would point
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to a very random attack killed on the way to a scheduled agreed-upon appointment right maybe not random
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because others know you are going to be in that location at that time and why are you gone there
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going there to basically finalize your divorce you know because you have a hearing in two days
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the divorce process starts or the hearings start in two days yes and this from my understanding has
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been a very long drawn out and messy divorce so was this a random attack or was it a
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planned attack now I remember when this case first broke that they were interviewing a lot of people especially
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women who had to walk around in the downtown area that walked to work uh that that took their lunches outside and
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that was the big panic at the time was this a totally random attack could anybody in that location be attacked
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well that could happen in any City in any major city there could be some yahoo walking around with a knife or a gun
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attacking people all willy-nilly so what does the crime scene tell us Captain well first off the first thing
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we should notice is it's about 5 30 p.m when Eliza was attacked so slide out it's still light out that's a very risky
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attack it's very cold out but when they transported Elisa to the hospital they sent with her her purse
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so no purse was taken during the course of this attack Eliza also wore a sapphire ring on her right hand
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she wore a necklace with the Star of David and her grandfather's wedding ring on this necklace around her neck all of
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these items were still on Elisa's person right doesn't mean it wasn't an attempted robbery sometimes people try
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to rob somebody that doesn't get their way then they're attacking them and then they got you know caught up in the
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attack and now that's like well I need to get out of here I mean this is daylight we don't want somebody seeing
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me um I however I would I would lean towards the side of no robbery I mean right right me too this would be the
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most bungled possible this would be an extremely bungled uh robbery so no robbery uh that's not the motive in my
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opinion I know that uh I'm quick to remind everyone that uh you know you can't easily predict crazy violent
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Behavior so someone attacked and stabbed on the street could just simply be a violent
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mentally Disturbed individual who attacked that person but a lot of times in cases that involve such an attack uh
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where the purpose so far gone so Disturbed and out of control that they're often found still with the
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person that they attacked and obviously this is not the situation when when Kenny Shepard found Eliza
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there was nobody present with her she was attacked and she was falling to the ground
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the other thing that's curious here one thing that I think the 9-1-1 call reveals
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and I find this very interesting the 911 call that Kenny makes correct okay that Elisa is trying to communicate
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something to Kenny he you know the young man the Good Samaritan Samaritan who heard her
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screams and responded and called for help she seems to be trying to tell him something or communicate something to
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him now what she was trying to say we may never know however there is a chance she was trying to communicate to him
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that maybe she knew who her attacker was right or maybe there could have been something that she recognized about her
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attacker an article of clothing or something he or she may have said to her as she was being attacked yeah and also
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she's a nurse so there's a possibility she was trying to give him some instructions on maybe how to help her
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that's that is that's interesting that you say that I did not think of that and that that could be a very likely
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possibility here as far as the investigation goes we do have it took a couple days
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um but you know shortly after we have the police on record saying in interviews asking the public for help
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stating that they firmly believe this was some form of planned attack that someone that knew Eliza had attacked her
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that day and killed her that day right and so motive we start I mean you're gonna start finger-pointing right away
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to the husband because where she heading to she's heading to her attorney's office to talk about the divorce where
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she's separating she's cutting off ties with you yeah and then I believe it was about two days after the murder
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there's Rumblings in the media that there may be surveillance footage from the attack itself you know as we stated
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this is a busy downtown area there are foot there's cameras posted on a lot of these buildings and parking garages
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and that's just the thing it took a while for the police to come out and outwardly say it but uh the huge break
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that they get in the case comes when they get a grainy surveillance video that showed someone running away from
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the scene just moments after the attack on Elisa now I kind of compiled some of the
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thoughts uh reported in several Publications after they released this footage the footage that was released
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was about 10 seconds long and the the footage itself it was retrieved from a surveillance camera
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mounted outside of a nearby parking garage yeah but it's 10 seconds long in in total length but they actually have
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multiple angles so I think the official clip that the police released was like 53 seconds or something like that but
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I'll I'll actually copy that and put that on uh truecrime garage.com so you can check it out there and I'll try to
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post um most of the clip or at least parts of the clip on Instagram as well and that's
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at True Crime garage the video showed a hooded figure wearing jeans and a green jacket
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several Publications reported the person may have had a limp the per this person appears to not only
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be in a hurry but also trying to disguise themselves to the point where it's difficult to even make out the
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individual's gender or race well let's uh take a look at this video because you know video stuff always makes for good
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podcasting so some of the initial thoughts about this video to me is one it's coming from
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like a parking garage and there's a couple problems with this camera angle anyways is there's a sign
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on the top left it's an entrance sign and then you have a pillar in front which has a big Park sign you know often
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parking garage has those things but that's really kind of distorting the focus so when you look at the video you
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can see the entrance sign that's really close to the camera that's in Focus the first pillar isn't is in good Focus as
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well everything else after that is a little fuzzy or out of focus so it's not a good quality of camera anyways but
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they're focusing on things that aren't moving so it's well not top-notch quality on the camera but the the thing
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that really makes it tough is that it's the angle like you said this camera appears to me to be positioned to catch
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something going on in the street itself and this individual who's fleeing the scene of the crime is running on the
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sidewalk and it is to the right of of what the camera is angled at to actually pick up yeah maybe not but like I said
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maybe not the angle but how the camera is actually focusing you know so it's like yeah the angle is set up
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you know not great for what we're trying to look at but because of the angle everything else is out of focus yeah so
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to give you an idea for those of you who have not seen this video before when you
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blow it up on your computer screen or TV screen the individual that you see fleeing they're basically in the bottom
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right hand corner of your screen and very pixelated exactly and the thing is the things that we stated earlier were
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all things that were stated in the local media at the time and one of the things
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saying the video showed a hooded figure um I've heard some talks is this a hoodie that this individual is wearing
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this appears to me to look more like a coat um almost a a light winter coat right so
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let's just talk about the suspect's dress what do you see them dressed in so the newspapers said wearing jeans and I
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found one article that says a green jacket I agree with the jeans that looks to me very much like some some a hue of
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blue some Dad or Mom jeans you know what I mean like the they're not super stylish jeans they're just the kind of a
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straight leg dark blue jeans traditional as far as the coat goes where it says where this publication called it a green
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coat or green jacket I don't know that I see green it looks to me like the parking sign that you talked about
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is probably a blue color a painted on blue color and if if that's the case when this individual walks past
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or runs past this sign his coat is significantly darker than that blue parking sign right well on the trouble
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with this video footage too is that everything that's out of focus on the right hand side of the screen
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it's out of focus and it should just be black right like that's what a camera should pick that up because it's going
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into the parking garage so that's where it get darker so it should be a tent of black for whatever reason
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um it's a tank of green so from further back you see this suspect and you go okay blue jeans
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black hoodie or coat okay then when it runs past this tinted area the the coat looks like a hint of green
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like it's a really dark green maybe a forest green dark green right but I think that tint is coming from you know
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this Distortion of the camera so I believe that this individual is wearing black shoes
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probably blue jeans um and a black or a very dark jacket or coat right and this person has the hood
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up as we stated long sleeve coat and when the when the individual gets closer to the camera it almost looks to me like
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the face is concealed with something as well yeah I think um let's just watch it again real quick
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so it's weird like uh there's two angles they're gonna show you the suspect coming at the camera running towards the
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camera and then they also show you the reverse angle of the suspect running away from a different camera because you
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can actually you can see the uh the second camera that's going to show the the suspect right that's on the pillar
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with the the park sign so and it's weird because like when the suspect's running towards you if we want
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to talk about is this male or female when the suspect's running towards you to me I go Ah that's uh that's a dude
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right that's dude running that's first my first thought as well and then on the second angle when it's when the
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suspect's running away from you to me I go that's a chick all day long like instantly okay so I to describe the
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person this person appears to be I'm not saying male or female I'm saying dude dude or chick this this person appears
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to be of of average weight like I don't see somebody that's super thin I don't see somebody that's overweight
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the problem I have and do you do you want to hear Captain do you want to hear Colonel Christmas get angry right here
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okay I hate when they release these videos I mean I know that it's necessary but when you release them please
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give us some information I mean okay first of all we you can't give us any kind of General
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thought as to the height of this person and maybe they just don't know but come out no it's not that hard to find this
00:33:38
stuff out and that's what I'm pointing that's why I'm pointing at this portion of the video right here Captain you see
00:33:44
where this individual is running past these signs to their left okay well you could use those signs to give us a
00:33:52
general idea of the height of this person this coat is too big for this individual yes it's long it hangs past
00:34:00
the waistline but not even long I mean you can even see that there's excess on the sides almost like maybe this is a
00:34:08
guy's jacket but a girl is wearing it and you know when we talked about when we covered the Missy beavers case a long
00:34:15
time ago uh there was video footage of the believed assailant of her and they were able to give us a general
00:34:23
description of of height now mind you it probably varied by what six or seven inches
00:34:30
that didn't vary by that much I mean it was enough that they could rule out the husband because his height was like six
00:34:36
three or something especially there look the individual just walks just runs past
00:34:40
that Valvoline sign and it is very close to the Valvoline this is a small person
00:34:45
this is this person's not six foot I bet and that's what this person is not even
00:34:49
five five and I know that there's things like um with graphic uh designers and stuff they can measure you know if they
00:34:58
know the height of this wall right then they could measure the person I I don't know how to do that
00:35:05
um and also you have this car here that car parked there I didn't realize there was a vehicle there you're right that is
00:35:12
a vehicle oh so that makes sense because a small person five under five five which again like I said the when the
00:35:20
suspect's coming towards you my gut feeling is that's a dude but when you watch them from the back it's a
00:35:28
chick it's I mean you can almost see the hips as they're running and and like I said we're talking about small person if
00:35:37
this if this individual is under five four then I mean what are the chances that
00:35:45
that's a guy there's uh you know like our Australian friends say I don't know that I would go full on to to believe
00:35:52
yeah to believe that the person's shorter than five what did you say five five yeah I think I easily I think this
00:35:58
person's probably five two five three and I don't know that I would go full on to say that it's a female but I'm
00:36:06
leaning that way I agree with you it's it doesn't the person is not tall I would not describe the person as tall
00:36:12
see how it's more of an hourglass figure there and I agree with you it does look
00:36:17
more like a female especially when we see the back side when we see them running from the camera yeah I mean not
00:36:24
toward the camera but here no Christmas has seen a lot of females from the back side
00:36:29
all right so the thing is though what about the motion of this individual running
00:36:37
because one many of the Publications has has said possibly with a limp um this is another thing I get a little
00:36:45
bit angry about what I mean let's can we get a a legitimate opinion of the police
00:36:49
that you know are we looking with somebody for a limp because here's where I question the limp I can see what
00:36:55
they're talking about there is a little hitch in this person's get along right right but their Giddy Up has a little
00:37:01
bit of a hitch but the problem with it is I can't tell if that's a camera trick or not and what I mean by that is this
00:37:08
camera it's it doesn't seem to be a full motion camera right it seems like it's a
00:37:13
slower frames yeah so where it almost looks uh like there's little glitches while
00:37:20
they're running yeah like it the the image it doesn't bounce that's not the right word but it jumps from from frame
00:37:27
to frame to frame to frame right right I'm I'm just guessing this person's not an avid Runner
00:37:33
and that's why I wonder if there's actually any kind of limp or if it's just uh something that the camera is
00:37:39
putting off with that right but I would just argue hey everybody that hasn't run
00:37:43
in the last year go outside and run the block so tell me how smooth you feel while
00:37:48
you're running yeah I mean so the limp or whatever the little hitch and the giddy up
00:37:56
a little hitch in the giddy up partner um maybe what they're seeing is just again it's either a glitch or they're
00:38:03
seeing somebody that it's just not an avid Runner that just doesn't have a comfortable smooth stride and you know
00:38:09
what that that leads me to believe something I felt every time I've watched this I don't know that I agree that
00:38:15
there's a limp there I'm with you I see somebody that's not comfortable running at that speed has probably not run that
00:38:22
distance or that speed in some time therefore I'm think I'm looking at someone older and and I don't want you
00:38:30
know nobody panic uh you know don't freak out that I'm calling anybody old but what I mean is I feel like I'm
00:38:36
looking at somebody that's similar in age to our victim our victim was 53 years old on this day I think that I'm
00:38:44
seeing somebody just by that movement Captain almost looks to me like somebody like mid 40s
00:38:51
to to late 50s no no this person's younger you think younger yeah yeah and the the weird thing too is when you
00:39:00
watch the video where the suspect's coming towards you you're gonna see the the left arm the the the right arm is
00:39:08
just swinging all willy-nilly looks like Steven Seagal running you know if you've
00:39:12
ever seen those videos have you seen those the videos of Steven Seagal running yeah I've seen Steven Seagal
00:39:19
movies okay he has run in some of those movies yeah but when you watch them run it's
00:39:24
awful he's the worst runner ever that's because he's a fighter man yeah I don't know what he is he stands there
00:39:31
and fights you he doesn't run yeah okay he runs in a lot of his movies and he's not good at running but so the arm is
00:39:38
just kind of flailing away the right arm the left arm is kind of tucked almost like it's holding a football you think
00:39:46
that they're concealing the knife that was used to kill Eliza yeah but it doesn't seem like there's
00:39:52
you know well what are those things in Star Wars because that's the thing that gets me is even as the perpetrator gets
00:40:00
closer it's like there's something over the face oh there's definitely something
00:40:07
there is no there's not even a shadow where you could even you don't see a nose at all yeah this we are looking for
00:40:15
an individual with no nose right no nose no eyes it's almost like the hoodie is like
00:40:22
zipped up over their head now it looks to me like they're they're wearing some kind of um
00:40:27
no I'm just saying because of the pixelation oh yeah yeah that it's just like it's just a black blob on there
00:40:33
yeah the face is the same color as the hood and the jacket in the face uh so me it's the Ghost of Christmas future yeah
00:40:41
I don't know about that but yeah but see there there's gloves on that person too
00:40:45
yeah and then also when the when you see the back side of the individual is when
00:40:51
you see more of the tent that maybe the coat is gray right at the first part when you see the back side and you one
00:41:00
thing that you this is making great podcasts one thing that we didn't point out though
00:41:05
um as far as the clothing goes and I know that usually logos and things like that tend to be small but you don't see
00:41:12
anything that would distinguish what type of brand or clothing any of this is it's it's like this person picked out
00:41:20
the most plain Jane outfit that they could um to not be recognized by any thing I
00:41:28
mean it's dark shoes jeans dark coat and something covering the the face and gloves on the hands but even the pants
00:41:35
look too big that's why I think on some level it's like you know pants for men or a jacket for a
00:41:43
man but a chick's wearing it well well I ask if you think that with that left hand that they're trying to conceal the
00:41:51
murder weapon because police searched for the murder weapon at the scene of the crime they searched all over the
00:41:59
area they even checked the rooftops of nearby buildings and this turned up nothing they found they never found a
00:42:07
knife uh that they believe was used in this attack they also better believe they definitely definitely know that she
00:42:15
was stabbed with a knife I mean I just want to be clear about that they've just never found the weapon yeah and they
00:42:20
also searched the Sherman residence as well for knives and none of the knives that they found in that household
00:42:26
matched uh what they believed the knife to have been used now one thing they did
00:42:31
not um they did they released that she was stabbed 11 times but they did not release the size or
00:42:42
what type of knife that they believed to have been used right you'd assume that it's
00:42:49
you know this is an attack that you know is going to happen outside your lawyer's
00:42:55
building her lawyer's building like we said is this random I mean there is a possibility but everything kind of
00:43:03
points to the fact that somebody knew that should be there and knew that should be there at that time
00:43:08
and that's when the attack is going to go down so I don't know and then the difficult
00:43:15
thing here is then okay so you go okay well if it's not a random attack well then who's the number one suspect here
00:43:22
who should we look into first the husband they're getting divorce this thing could get messy
00:43:28
and we kind of know from uh some more research that there was some stuff before the divorce that was kind of
00:43:35
messy anyways but as far as size wise if this is the husband what we see on this camera
00:43:45
to me absolutely not I don't see it so to to be clear though Sanford her husband
00:43:54
elise's husband is described as six foot to six foot one and heavy set yeah this
00:44:01
person is definitely not heavy set like I said I see a very small individual uh I would even argue on some level like
00:44:11
the body is somewhat petite you know and then and it's hard to decipher for that because you have like
00:44:21
I said this jacket is way too big for this individual okay so it's it's a jacket that's meant to be our coat it's
00:44:28
a jacket or coat it's meant to hang below the waist anyway but I don't think it is I don't know if it is or if that's
00:44:35
just the size of this you know it's well no and I'm going to agree with you but but
00:44:41
like okay so the coat that I wore today is very similar to that coat it has a hood long sleeves and it's cut to be uh
00:44:49
lower than the waist now my coat though it's many people have coats like this it's intended to be cut to drop just
00:44:57
below where your pockets would be on your pants right but this individual it almost appears like they're wearing that
00:45:03
style of coat but because the coat does not fit them that the goes down further it almost goes to the knees yeah it goes
00:45:11
It goes to the point where you know that this code is not meant for this and individual this size
00:45:18
but again was it was this coat used just for cover-up possibly also used for protection you
00:45:26
know that you're attacking somebody with a knife right so you're gonna use padded
00:45:32
you know just in case it turns against you you got padded jacket on I guess not only padded jacket for protection but
00:45:39
okay so it it's planned picking a dark colored coat a dark colored jacket and almost
00:45:48
all dark colored um outfit right that's going to your the blood that would be on this individual
00:45:56
would not be as noticeable right when when fleeing the scene this this person exactly right this person
00:46:03
could run away at full speed and if they had to continue walking somewhat in the
00:46:09
area they could they could turn a couple corners and then just start walking normally and and probably fit in as long
00:46:15
as they didn't have that mask on well let's watch the back side one more time because that left arm see how the right
00:46:22
arm just kind of you know runs yeah I mean look I'm going to say this and somebody's gonna write me
00:46:30
it kind of like runs like a girl and the right arm when you see the right arm it's just flailing away again I
00:46:38
think this person's running at a speed that they've not run in a long time they're using that arm to uh help right
00:46:45
help with a little momentum help with a little balance but look at the left arm when when you see no I know back side of
00:46:51
this individual that left arm doesn't move at all that's what I'm saying I'm saying they're over compensating with
00:46:57
their right arm because they have to tuck the murder weapon and keep it close to their vest or it's in a pocket and
00:47:05
they you know what I mean they're kind of hugging it to them so they got hurt themselves
00:47:09
and they're holding wherever they're hurt that's a possibility I do want to talk
00:47:15
about this though Captain um while we're on the the video footage itself it has been reported several times that
00:47:24
the actual attack is on footage as well now I don't know if that's just a general misconception that something
00:47:32
that the media got wrong yeah but we see this all the time with different cases where it's like uh look at the Delphi
00:47:38
murders case for for example I mean there's all the speculation that there's audio of it there's video of it but
00:47:45
anytime they get a suspect they can't seem to pin down the suspect you'd think if there's all this information or all
00:47:51
this evidence that'd be pretty easy to find the right person and lock them down so well not in this situation but not in
00:48:00
this situation though right I agree with you but it's different here because this first this person's face is looks
00:48:08
like it's completely covered almost as if they're wearing like a mask oh yeah they're definitely wearing a mask but
00:48:14
this is not but they're wearing they're wearing a ski mask or something I don't even think it's a ski mask because you
00:48:20
can't even see like Eyes eye holes or anything you can't even see like you because even if there was and maybe
00:48:28
even if you put like let's say makeup on you'd see the whites of the eyes or something this almost looks like you
00:48:34
know some Halloween mask or or something that you know you know almost like a sheet that
00:48:41
they put over their face but they could see through it enough maybe also a reason why the person is a
00:48:47
little wobbly when they're running because they can't see perfectly there's a decent chance that Eliza was
00:48:53
attacked from behind of course because whoever did this as a coward a piece of [ __ ]
00:49:00
um but you know she was stabbed in the neck stabbed in the arm the right arm and then I believe the rest of the stab
00:49:06
wounds were to the back so that would be nine of them now um what I'm getting at and the reason
00:49:12
why I bring that up we keep talking about how this person's covered head to toe and my suspicion earlier that Elisa was
00:49:19
trying to communicate something to the man that found her do you think that with this individual
00:49:25
being covered head to toe that there's any chance that she may have recognized anything about this person and and
00:49:31
potential that she was trying to communicate who she believed may have attacked her
00:49:36
yeah that's a possibility I think the other possibility too is if this let's say for example that this
00:49:45
suspect person running from the scene they're the murderer but they might not have known her
00:49:53
this might have been let's say like a hired operation okay but if this person was hired by somebody
00:50:01
then were they instructed to hey before you stab her say whatever does that make sense well I
00:50:11
could see that out of anger and I know that sounds very Hollywood but it also sounds incredibly stupid and
00:50:18
I know that most criminals are not you know they do make mistakes and that's why
00:50:23
they get caught thankfully but it almost seems like you're going above and beyond you know hey say this
00:50:29
to her right but if you say this to her she's gonna know who is responsible for this no no I get it
00:50:36
which is right right and I that's my thing where I'm like well that seems totally senseless to do well it sounds
00:50:46
yeah but to have somebody murdered is senseless too well of course but what I'm getting at is it's
00:50:52
senseless on two it's senseless times two and here's what I mean by that okay if you hired me to to do a hit on
00:50:59
somebody and you said hey after you're plunging all right well then I'll change it if somebody else hired me to do a hit
00:51:05
on somebody right and they said oh as you're plunging the knife into their back right tell them this tell them x y
00:51:13
and z do I don't tell them that don't give him a math problem but yeah thumbs up the
00:51:20
the crow strikes at midnight okay but you're butchering my story here what I'm getting at is one it's
00:51:28
extremely stupid for the for the person hiring the person to say hey say this so
00:51:33
that so that by chance they survive well then they can go yeah that dude hired somebody to kill me because he's the
00:51:40
only guy that would say that then furthermore me being the hired Hitman who gives a [ __ ] if I actually say X Y
00:51:47
and Z to that person as I'm plunging the knife in them if they're dead and it's reported on the news I can tell the
00:51:53
idiot that hired me that I said that to them yeah I'm not going to risk that in case that they
00:51:59
survived the attack mind you she was alive when she was found when she's first found she was alive and in my
00:52:05
opinion I believe she was trying to communicate something about the attack itself to the individual that found her
00:52:12
right now I agree the problem is some stupid individual if if this is if this is a murder for hire
00:52:22
then some stupid individual hired this person to kill her they're stupid so therefore I wouldn't put it past them
00:52:32
to say what I'm getting at is that rather it wasn't something it wasn't specific words that were said but maybe
00:52:38
a voice that was recognized by her that this person could have been covered head
00:52:43
to toe and it was somebody that she either knew well or knew somewhat and look this has to be an angry attack
00:52:52
whether you knew her and you and you were doing this yourself or if you were hired to do this to stab somebody 11
00:52:59
times and attack them in broad daylight on the streets this whether you were angry when you started this attack you
00:53:06
were angry at some point during this attack and you may have said something you may have said something out of
00:53:12
frustration maybe she wasn't going down fast enough for you right and this individual may have said something out
00:53:19
of frustration and she may have Elisa may have recognized The Voice [Music] all right and this has been the first
00:53:34
part of a four-part series that we're going to do on the investigation into the murder of Eliza Sherman and we're
00:53:42
giving you four parts this week because well the captain and Colonel Christmas one a week off for Christmas just like
00:53:50
everybody else we want to spend a little time with our friends with the fam fam yep and uh and we appreciate everybody
00:53:56
listening we wanted to give everybody and a lot of people are traveling uh and give give you some time to get into the
00:54:04
garage you know get some eggnog warm your feet by the fire get a little toasty hang out with your
00:54:11
buddies Colonel Christmas and the captain and I wish you a happy holidays and because we love all of you out there we
00:54:22
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00:54:28
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refreshing your phone waiting for parts two three and four to come out so join us back here in the garage for part two
00:54:40
until then be good be kind and don't litter [Music] thank you [Applause]