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[Music] a mother's hope to find her missing pregnant daughter I would love to see
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her with her child cuz she is such a mothering person Chicago Police released new surveillance video of Kiara Kohl's
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from 2018 the last moments she was seen running errands also with a person of interest the CPD video includes a plea
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from Cole's mother directly you could be the one that help bring Kar home while initial surveillance video released by
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CPD was not koh's investigators and Cole's family hope everyone will stop to check out these new images to try and
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close this cold case if you know something say something you know this is going on too long and you know I just
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hope anybody out there that knows anything have a heart and finally call in this afternoon Community organizers
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prepare for the fifth annual March we walk for her at 5:00 at 35th and King the purpose to bring attention to all
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the unsolved cases of missing women and girls of color what's most important is that every case Kiara Cole's case and
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every Co case gets the necessary attention that it deserves in black and brown communities Kohl's was a letter
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carrier she would be the mother of a young child now I can't let her down I got to do all that I can to bring her
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and her child home safe Cole's mother says a painful void remains for their family but hopes someone with
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information will ease their [Music] suffering in April of 2019 ABC News talked to Karen Phil
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Philips Kiera's mom Phillips said she's tries to remain positive as her suspicions Run High toward her
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daughter's boyfriend saying quote I've never pointed fingers at him in the beginning but all of this time has
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passed so by this point captain we're talking 6 months after her daughter has disappeared she's
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saying I haven't heard anything from this guy since the day the police went to do the wellness check I haven't seen
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him around town haven't talked to him nothing yeah pretty shady and so she's saying given that 6 months has gone by
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he must have had something to do with it NBC 5 investigates reported that there was no criminal history in Josh's past
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that they were able to uncover the chief Communications officer at the Chicago Police Department told ABC news that
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Josh remained a person of interest given that he may have been one of the last individuals to see her meaning kiar CPD
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told NBC's Dateline that there was no proof of life for Kiara we have a pretty good idea of what transpired they said
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now it's a matter of finding evidence there is a minimum of two or three people of Interest Who were the last to
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see kiar before she disappeared we've narrowed down our group here to a personal associate of hers a friend who
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was one of the last people to see her so that's a little insight into there investigation and who they think are
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Persons of Interest but then there's this Josh and his other baby mama and their kids like you talked about briefly
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yesterday Captain they move out of state now it's unclear when they moved away but several articles say it was quote
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soon but what we do know is she goes missing in an October of 2018 we do know that they moved out of
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Illinois before the end of the year before the end of 2018 so that's not a lot of time
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between disappearing in the end of the year again we don't know the exact date from everything that we've looked at it
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looks like police have not been in contact with Josh after he left Illinois in January of
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2019 we have Kiera's family and several postal worker friends that held a very public vigil SL
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press conference for their missing loved one this was led by Community activist and her relatives all pleading for
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information in the case and also reminding the public that there was a $228,000 reward for information in this
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case that reward included 25,000 from the US Postal inspection service 2500 from the Chicago branch of the National
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Association for letter carriers so they're banding together hoping to find one of their own some of the relatives
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called out Josh Simmons by name at this event demanding that he speak with police since he had refused to do so
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since very early on in the investigation they all loudly demanded clear your name
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in fact Karen said that Josh had never been officially questioned in her opinion she meant Beyond this initial
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interview the crowd cheered when people question why if Josh hadn't done anything that he was afraid to talk to
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the police k 's dad gave an impassioned speech pointing out that Josh's missing an action status is questionable and
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should be questioned and he was begging the public for tips and for leads well just to be clear I have no problem with
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joshin and a lawyer but again this is your girlfriend of six years she's caring your child you would
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think you would want to give him as much information as possible well and then another sad date will be the due date
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April 23rd yeah was the due date and it came and went and no new news in May of 2019 the family announced that the
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reward for information leading to kier's whereabouts had increased to $46,000 this was after a rather large
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donation from a local businessman and unfortunately no one has ever come to collect that money we've not found
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Kiara in July of 2022 there was more bad news uh Kiara wasn't found as we stated
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but the CPD announced that they were this is one of the issues that I have with this case they announced that they
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were quote suspending the investigation so the case classified as suspended meaning that the case cannot
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proceed further at this time right that can happen for a variety of reasons for my understanding including detectives
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exhausting All Leads my understanding Captain is that this is not a permanent status and can
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be changed if more information becomes available to police but of course her family is
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horrified to learn that the police were essentially abandoning the case the investigation Karen told ABC news that
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she feels the police just put it meaning the case to the side because they were frustrated with it it's already
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frustrating that it's going to be 2 years she said and for you all meaning the Chicago Police Department to say you
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all don't have enough to go on it's really disappointing I mean if if you've not spoke to your Person of Interest who
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moved out of state since he moved yeah which is ridiculous it seems to me like kind of a lazy job if you're going to go
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well we're suspending the case because we're we we're lacking information pick up a phone and call
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this guy yeah fly down there and try to interview him yeah see if he will talk times change people change maybe he
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will talk maybe he's tired of the fingers being pointed at him or in his Direction
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and he's willing to open up not that it really matters much but I would like to know if he transferred to another USPS
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job because that' make it less suspicious of why he would TR transfer but because like we said before
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he had a good position at the USPS in Chicago Police have stated they countered after the announcement of the
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investigation being suspended that they continued to work jointly with the US Postal inspection service and the FBI
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and that the case remained a high-risk missing person's investigation with Foul Play suspected so it's a little talking
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out of both sides your mouth I guess in this situation it it it to say this one thing then also
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almost in the same breath say that the case has been suspended doesn't seem it doesn't seem to be on point here
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now it also seems like law enforcement went from being very uh connected to the family and giving them
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information and again prived information hey well you're telling us this isn't your daughter we know it's not your
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daughter don't tell people we're on the same team they kind of go from that to not really having much communication
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with Karen at all well and here's the thing too and this became an issue so in 2021 remember the Gabby Patito
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case this becomes Nationwide news everybody's kind of following this Gabby case Karen is upset at the ju toos with the
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coverage received by her daughter's case she's saying look my daughter's case made national headlines for a day
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maybe two and that was it Gabby's case was a headline news for weeks and Karen's friend this is
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community activist George Ivy said in a September 21st press conference quote I want you all to treat Kiera Cole's case
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like it was Gabby's end quote Karen said that they will cover a black person's case but you might see it one
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time with a white woman you might see it all that week or even every week the family wasn't just disappointed in the
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lack of media coverage they were mad at CPD and the US Postal inspection service
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which they felt continue to under prioritize this case her Father Joseph Kohl's told Chicago son times in 2021
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that he had heard the investigators had their eye on someone but he hadn't received any updates as of late he too
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expressed frustration with the police and their failure to focus on missing black women and children because Josh
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hasn't been super cooperative and and we don't really have a great idea of her movements on October 2nd other than that
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she went to the store and talked to her mother about that but that's all going to change in June of 20 22 yeah this is
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when a whole bunch of new information comes out and it seems a little strange to me that that they were holding on to
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this so tightly and secretively for so long so in June of 2022 the Chicago Police Department
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decided that they were going to release some new real some real information here
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right so they issued a 8 minute long video with an update on the case this was video footage it contains some video
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footage from across the street from kier's apartment on Tuesday evening October 2nd
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sometime when it was still light outside it showed Kier parking her car outside her building and walking into her
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apartment this is lugging groceries bags so this is returning our best guest would be
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returning from that trip to the grocery store that we've talked about and then what we have too on the
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video footage is a man referred to by detectives as a person of interest subsequently arrives and also enters the
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apartment sometime later now it's dark outside Kier and the man slers of interest walked out of the apartment
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they got into Kiara's car with kiar driving and they drove off minutes later at 10:43 p.m. Kier was seen on
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surveillance footage from inside a 24-hour Walgreens located at 8628 South Cottage
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Grove she walks in she goes straight to one of those Standalone ATM machines yeah she made two withdrawals and then
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she leaves the Walgreens she makes two withdrawals but don't we believe that the total is roughly around
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$400 yeah we don't have to go roughly or believe we know by police statements that that she withdrawed a total of $400
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from her bank account that's verified by police and what's wild about this too Captain
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it seems like a very it it seems I don't want to say planned out is not is not the right word
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here but she's she's in that Walgreens for less than three minutes in and out so her movements and her chore her task
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is is well known to her before going into those doors she doesn't shop or do anything else while she's there she just
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simply goes to the ATM now of course police are they want to know from her the people that knew
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her best what do you make of this and to which Karen is saying look this is incredibly and extremely out of
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character for my daughter she was very conservative with her money and she didn't have an answer as to why her
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daughter would simply walk in and get $400 cash for you're in law enforcement the first question is who's this cash
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for is it for her or is it for somebody else the there's another news article out there by CBS
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Chicago that reported that Chicago detectives told the family that the couple went to
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an ATM nearby where the video captured kiar taking out 400 from her bank account
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and handing it over to her boyfriend okay so this is interesting to me because what we're hearing here in this report
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in this statement if this is true police for some reason seem to have reason to believe that after they went to the
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ATM that Kiera gave the money to who they are referring to in this story as her boyfriend right so that go goes to
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what you were saying there Captain uh she goes to this ATM mom has no clue why her daughter
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would take out $400 cash and police according to this reporter saying she gave it to Josh old red
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flag so now there's more information here less than an hour later this is before
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11:45 p.m. kier's car was again captured on video from a another area of the city
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the car drove up parked in a mail person not not a male carrier right right not a
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US Post Service a man a man climbed out of the passenger seat and closed the door and walked away and what the what
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the footage does not show us so it shows us this man getting out of the car passenger side it does not show anybody
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else ever getting out of that vehicle and how weird is that exactly how weird is that so what I'm
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guessing is this man drove drove the car parked it scooted on to the passenger side and then left that way yeah that's
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that's why I'm guessing I'm guessing he didn't drive the vehicle with his mind yeah that there was no Ghost Rider I'm
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the only one that can do that but but there's but there's but there's more evidence of where that car goes yeah so
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daytime video surveillance from kier's neighborhood it's unclear what time of day it shows a person of interest
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driving up to Kiera's Block in her car in her car the man parked the car got out walked into the apartment building
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into Kiara's apartment and soon exited after and seen carrying some unidentified items out of the place he
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then climbs into what is described as his vehicle which had been parked nearby on
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the Block overnight and drives off so in the 8-minute video it shows some still shots of the interior of Kiera's
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apartment and two shots of the interior of her car with what could be tiny drops
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of blood splashed on the inside of the vehicle this is what what people have said that they think they're seeing when
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they see the pictures of the interior of her vehicle yeah there's red drops but that's not confirmed by police
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so for 4 years everyone believed that kiar was alive and last seen wearing a postal uniform on that wind October 3rd
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that's a big misstep by law enforcement so we now learn that that's absolutely incorrect she was actually last seen at
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an ATM the night before dressed in a dark jacket or hoodie leggings knee high socks and sneakers and a
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hat so the new giv money to her boyfriend the new timeline putting her missing at about 10:45
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p.m. Tuesday and no one really alerting to her being missing until Thursday day meant that someone had plenty of time to
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dispose of Kiera and dispose and hide and we we say it every week hide bury burn conceal
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is how you pronounce his name will slar slar spoke with nbc5 investigates he told the investigative news team that he
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believes Kiara was not alive for long after the handoff of the $400 cash so this is hearing it right from the mouth
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of a detective right from the horse's mouth that there how dare you speak of detective will slar maybe that's an
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upgrade who knows uh hand off of the $400 cash so they seem to have reason to believe that she gets this money from
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the ATM hands it off to the person of interest he specified that the person of interest is not a stranger in this talk
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with nbc5 he said that this person of interest has regular access to the apartment but the fact that he came back
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to the residence after Kar was last seen was significant and the good detective goes on to say in the totality
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of what happened the night before that's a big deal end quote note that CPD refers to this person only simply as a
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person of interest repeatedly and never uses this person's name they have never confirm that Josh is or was the person
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of interest seen on the video with kiar heading out on Tuesday night and then parking her car on Wednesday alone right
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but everyone knows that it was Josh that they are referring to remember that a couple of years earlier police had said
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that they had two or three people of interest and a good idea of what may have happened to Kiera two or three
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people Captain so Josh and who but I just want to point out that it seems like law enforcement is like well we
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have video footage of Kiera going into her apartment and then who follows behind her Josh and then they leave and
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they take kier's car and and who does she leave with Josh but then when they start talking about these other
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movements they never confirm that it's Josh it's it's very strange well and you know this is something that we should
00:27:09
have talked in great detail with Williams about but again it's this is a whole different state we're in Ohio so I
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don't know that it that it's the same everywhere but right you would think the United Postal Service is a pretty
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uniform outfit so you would think what whatever goes on here probably is going on in other states but the reason why
00:27:33
I'm really honing in on this police statement that where they say time and time again we've narrowed it down to two
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or three people of Persons of Interest so we everybody John Q public out there and and John Q garage out there they all
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believe that they're seeing Josh Simmons on that footage that was finally put out
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by police so if they're saying we've narrowed it down to two or three people so it's Josh and who do they have reason
00:28:03
to believe that he had an accomplice and the reason why I'm kind of circling around this little detail like a like
00:28:08
some kind of hungry vulture here is that if if you have to not only punch in codes and whatnot when you're calling
00:28:18
off but also give some kind of voice uhhuh well we do know we have reason to believe there's information out there
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that says suggest that the other woman involved in this love triangle Kiera who know this is weird too was
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also pregnant at the time but there's information out there that tells us that she worked for the Postal Service as
00:28:44
well right so is she the one that calls off for our missing person it does she punch in the codes and have to give
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voice a woman's voice and call off for her well make a lot of sense and and guess who's
00:29:02
missing Josh miiaa and Kiara he's like you got a missing persons investigation on my uh
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long-term girlfriend he gave him the old smell you later and went down to Louisiana yes smell you later losers so
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in March of 2023 finally we're we're in this year Captain current year Kiera's family announced yet another increase in
00:29:27
the reward somebody out there if they know something speak up because you stand to make a whole lot of money here
00:29:33
this is $63,000 that they announced well just do the right thing be a good person donate the money to charity if
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you had any reason to be quiet before $63,000 might make up for those reasons so they they held another birthday party
00:29:50
for their their missing daughter this in September of 2023 and they stated quote
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as the years go on gets harder and harder definitely with the police not doing what they're supposed to do it
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makes it even harder Karen told CBS News we should note here captain that a namus
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profile the website namus if you go there there is a namus profile that was created for our missing person Kiera
00:30:17
this was created in 2019 right and on that profile it states that she has a tattoo of a heart on her
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right wrist a jaguar on on her shoulder and a tattoo reading lucky Libra on her back so some identifying marks there I
00:30:34
think it's pronounced jacku she would be 31 years old today so very sad here very young woman
00:30:44
here with her whole life ahead of her and she had everything in place she had worked hard to put everything in place
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to have a successful life and Not only would she be 31 years old today her baby would be four years old
00:30:59
yeah well like Karen says it's it's frustrating I couldn't imagine being the mother of a victim and it just not
00:31:08
getting the traction and we've seen this for years I mean the cases we covered but sometimes it's just because there's
00:31:16
not enough information or there's not a fascinating twist or turn or we don't have any video
00:31:24
footage this case has all those this case should have been talked about more but sometimes it's only five years
00:31:32
old yeah but again sometimes a a bigger more juicy story The the sexier story comes out and then cases don't get
00:31:44
the coverage they deserve well we covered a case just a couple weeks ago here in the garage that was 20 years old
00:31:51
it was it was at the 20e marker for a missing loved one and right oddly enough the person of interest in that case
00:31:59
moved to Louisiana as well I love the state of Louisiana I I love New Orleans uh but it seems like lately from the
00:32:09
garage we got a lot of Persons of Interest fleeting fleeing to that state and but I bring that up only because to
00:32:18
to compare this 5-year-old case with the 20-year-old case remember in that one the family after getting no answers and
00:32:27
not being able to give a proper burial to their daughter are so broken and beaten down after 20 years remember the
00:32:36
father said like I don't even blame the guy anymore I don't even really care I don't even know if he should go to
00:32:43
prison anymore maybe it was just an accident I just want to know what happened and where my daughter is right
00:32:49
so that's what the time will do to these people to these victims yeah they they start grabbing at straws willing to
00:32:56
settle just so they can bury their loved one so I'm hoping here captain and we're not the first
00:33:04
ones to bring this up but there's some startling parallels to another case and I'm hoping
00:33:11
that this case and where this case is today may offer some form of Hope to Kiera's family and that maybe that
00:33:22
that Justice is on its way so this case is Akia eagleston so in May of 2017 Akia she's eight months pregnant at
00:33:36
this time she failed to show up for her own baby shower she's 22 years old at the time
00:33:43
attractive vivacious young black woman with everything going for her just like who we've been talking about for the
00:33:51
past two days Kiera she already had a little girl who she adored her Facebook post in
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Communications with family members ended abruptly on May 3rd some of the information says literally in the middle
00:34:03
of a conversation with a friend just stops dead air it took a few days before the family
00:34:11
reported her missing just like in kier's case and in fact in a lot of missing person's cases especially when the
00:34:17
missing person is an adult but Akia was pregnant with her boyfriend's baby uh his name is Michael
00:34:25
Robertson he was the last person to see her alive again startling parallels to kier's case this from CBS News Akia was
00:34:35
last seen withdrawing money from a BB&T Bank in downtown Baltimore to put a down
00:34:41
payment on a new home she planned to share with her boyfriend Michael Robertson she was last seen taking cash
00:34:49
out of an ATM just like K and then this Robertson's cousin also told the report that eagleston had confided in
00:35:00
her about physical attacks by Robertson's other baby mother her name is Hannah pay just two weeks before she
00:35:09
disappeared I guess there was some kind of altercation that was known about Robertson and and this other woman they
00:35:16
move out of state as well they go to Michigan just within a couple of months of Akia
00:35:22
disappearing akia's family took it upon themselves to keep her case in the media
00:35:27
just like Karen is doing and and the family's doing and keep the case in the media in
00:35:33
the spotlight and also conducted their own search throughout Baltimore looking in
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abandoned buildings behind structures and wooded areas just like what we know Kiara's dad did right and continues to
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do akia's body was never found neither was her baby the baby's father Michael Robertson did some suspicious things
00:35:54
that Drew the the old cold eye drew the old uh eye of Suspicion yeah old red flag from the
00:36:04
family and got the attention of Baltimore Police so he searched on his computer or phone for dumpster and trash
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collection schedules in landfill locations in the city dozens of times oh God so either he's really concerned
00:36:19
about trash or he's looking to conceal something well he was trash so he lied about needing money for their apartment
00:36:30
there turns out there was no apartment no preparations had been made to buy or rent a a home or an apartment for them
00:36:37
this was just something that he was leading this young woman on evidence on his cell phone tracked his movements to
00:36:45
akia's apartment on May 3rd so this proved inconsistencies in his statements with police he was interviewed three
00:36:53
times by police and in his statements they evolved according to police then he admitted that he did see her and then
00:37:00
argued because said that they argued because she wanted him to choose between her and the other
00:37:06
woman well police were unable unfortunately to find AIA but they belied that Robertson killed her in her
00:37:13
home and put her in a dumpster according to the Baltimore son using information from Robertson's phone they traced the
00:37:20
trash route from the dumpsters outside of the apartment to a northern Virginia landfill Engineers narrowed in on 20
00:37:29
acres of landfill that were filled with 500,000 tons of compacted municipal waste filled 40 ft deep within the
00:37:37
3month window around her disappearance but they weren't able to dig there's some kind of safety
00:37:43
regulations that prohibit Excavating more than 4T down of landfill in this area it took 4 and a half years Captain
00:37:51
but Baltimore Police and the FBI put together a circumstantial nobody case against
00:37:58
Robertson he was arrested and charged with two counts of murder in February of 2022 in July of 2023 a Baltimore jury
00:38:08
found Robertson guilty of two counts of first-degree premeditated murder and the jury deliberated for just
00:38:16
two hours so he was found guilty Robertson appears to be even more of a captain term piece of [ __ ] than
00:38:25
Josh yeah he a piece of [ __ ] or maybe just not as smart because he didn't get away with it and Josh is down in
00:38:33
Louisiana might even be having a good time for all we know ah he's he's looking over his shoulder it seems that
00:38:40
if Josh had any kind of cell phone or GPS or video trail that he might have been arrested by now that's what I'm
00:38:46
hoping anyway right if not those are avenues that need to be pursued in this case should not be suspended if you have
00:38:52
Avenues to pursue which I I think they do I think there's some meat on on the bone here and I just don't like the the
00:39:00
the status of suspended on this case no and you wonder if that's like is that a decoy to maybe have people relax a
00:39:13
little bit and and we can gather information and put together a better case I would hope that's the case but
00:39:20
who knows but see what I want to know is did they collect DNA evidence from the car and are they able to connect that to
00:39:32
Josh's other girlfriend and I think police at some point correct me if I'm wrong but they
00:39:40
made a a statement to the fact of oh well we have we had a suspect but we don't believe that he had any uh motive
00:39:49
for murder well when you're dating two people and they're both pregnant there could be a motive for
00:39:57
murder yeah and I want to speak to Kiara for a minute not Kiara or missing person
00:40:03
to Kiara the other woman who it's believed is living down in Louisiana with Josh and their kids which might
00:40:11
have been involved in this murder and cover up correct but also may not have been involved at all if you know some
00:40:19
information about this and now this dude's out running around on you again go get that $63,000 and and give
00:40:26
the police the evidence that they need to recover this young woman's remains and
00:40:32
build a case against Josh yeah and this is why Kiera's mother Karen is so correct you need to shine light and
00:40:42
bring attention to these cases it puts pressure on law enforcement to do their job but it also puts pressure on
00:40:50
eyewitnesses to come forward it puts pressure on Josh it puts pressure on Josh his current girlfriend to come
00:40:58
forward with information the more people are talking about it the more people start realizing this ain't going to go
00:41:06
away and so you share these cases on social media you tell your friends and family about these cases and could you
00:41:15
imagine if you're you're Josh and you're sitting and you moved away to try to get
00:41:19
away from all this and it starts becoming more national news then you have a individual that's getting scared
00:41:27
he's looking over his shoulder he starts wonder about all the mistakes he made and something some Somewhere Out
00:41:35
There something's going to catch up to him and like you said I mean it could be his girlfriend sitting around going well
00:41:43
this guy I'm still not enough in his eyes I've had three children by this guy and I'm still not enough cuz he keeps
00:41:49
running around on me and maybe you were involved in the murder maybe you were involved in the cover up
00:41:57
but police I'm sure would still be willing to make a deal with you and then he could get his and and
00:42:06
make no mistake about it this guy's a piece of [ __ ] he dated her for six years
00:42:13
and he didn't search for her he didn't put up Flyers he didn't knock on doors he lied to the family he lied to law
00:42:21
enforcement he changed his story he basically said hey I I didn't see on the second and then we have video footage
00:42:30
and guess who's in that video footage everybody believes it's him Josh Simmons and then on top of that you have your
00:42:36
pregnant girlfriend then go withdraw money $400 what do you need that $400 for this person is not answering
00:42:45
questions lawyered up moves out of state doesn't know anything I mean he's a real piece of
00:42:54
[ __ ] we will certainly have images photos of Kier on our website and on social but a great
00:43:04
resource in this case for everybody out there in listener land is missingpersonsvevo
00:43:26
but more importantly you're going to get links to the videos that that came out right
00:43:33
the ATM video you're going to get links to the other videos and to links to seeing her mother Karen
00:43:42
speaking so passionately about her daughter and trying to find her daughter uh the website according to the website
00:43:50
if you have any information you are encouraged to contact the Chicago Police Department or this is a unique City
00:43:56
scenario here Captain we don't get this every week but one outfit that you can get in touch with in this case would be
00:44:02
the US Postal inspection service right and you can from my understanding is that this is
00:44:11
um they they investigate all kinds of stuff all kinds of different crimes uh all kinds of different missing person
00:44:19
stuff so if it were me here and I had information I would reach out to the US Postal inspection service there number
00:44:26
is 877-876-2455 877 8762 455 the HBO I'm sorry uh Max or whatever we're going to call it these days I I feel
00:44:43
like I feel like it's HBO Max call it HBO man because well it was HBO Max for a while now it's just max so there was
00:44:52
an HBO documentary series called Black and missing it did feature aia's case that we talked about now like kier's it
00:44:59
was noted that her case got a lot less attention than similar cases involving white women Robertson's guilty
00:45:07
verdict May provide a glimmer of hope for Kiera's family that they may yet see Justice for her at some point we can
00:45:16
only hope that Chicago prosecutors and investigators are doggedly working to put together their case against Josh
00:45:23
Simmons and he gets what's coming to him but given that the investigation was suspended for a time may still be
00:45:30
suspended and Chicago PDS less than lustrious record of solving cases where the victim is a missing black female
00:45:39
unfortunately we're just not that [Music] optimistic want to thank you so much for
00:45:54
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do we have any recommended reading for the beautiful beautiful listeners this week Captain we have a combo platter we
00:46:07
have a little recommended listening and a little recommended reading I love when
00:46:11
good people team up for the greater good and so these are two things that we've recommended in the past one is the
00:46:19
missing person's podcast we have Mike Morford over there and Jessica bort who have been great friends of our show for
00:46:26
many years they run the missing person's podcast and do a fantastic job and I just noticed that last week their guest
00:46:35
was Bill Gilmore he is Jennifer kesse's Uncle who wrote the book aftermath that we have recommended in the past so check
00:46:43
out our good friends over at the missing persons podcast and make sure you check
00:46:47
out Bill Gilmore's book about his missing niece Jennifer kessie that's a very solvable case we just need to put
00:46:55
more people and more efforts in that regard you can find those two great recommendations and many more on our
00:47:01
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