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[Music] crime If I Were the Devil If I Were the Devil if I were the Prince of Darkness
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I'd want to engulf the whole world in darkness and I'd have a third of its real estate and four fths of its
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population but I wouldn't be happy until I had seized the ripest apple on the tree
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the so I'd set about however necessary to take over the United States I'd subvert the churches first I'd begin
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with a campaign of Whispers with the wisdom of a serpent I would whisper to you as I whispered to Eve do as you
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please to the young I would whisper that the Bible is a myth I would convince them that man created God instead of the
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other way around I would confide that what's bad is good and what's good is square and the old I would teach to pray
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after me Our Father which art in Washington and then I'd get organized I'd educate authors in how to make lurid
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literature exciting so that anything else would appear dull and uninteresting I threatened TV with dirtier movies and
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vice versa I'd pedal narcotics to whom I could I'd sell alcohol to ladies and gentlemen of distinction i' tranquilize
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the rest with pills if I were the devil I'd soon have families at war with themselves churches at war with
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themselves and Nations at war with themselves until each in its turn was consumed and with Promises of higher
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ratings I'd have mesmerizing media Fanning the Flames If I Were the Devil I would encourage tools to refine young
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intellects but neglect to discipline emotions just let those run wild until before you knew it you'd have to have
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drug sniffing dogs and metal detectors at every Schoolhouse door within a decade I'd have prisons overflowing I'd
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have judges promoting pornography soon I could evict God from the courthouse then
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from the schoolhouse and then from the houses of Congress and in his own churches I would substitute psychology
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for religion and deify science I would lure priests and pastors into misusing boys and girls and church money if I
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were the devil I'd make the symbol of Easter and egg and the symbol of Christmas a bottle if I were the devil
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I'd take from those who have and give to those who want it until I had kill the incentive of the
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ambitious and what will you bet I couldn't get whole states to promote gambling as the way to get
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rich I would caution against extreme in hard work in patriotism in moral conduct I would convince the young that
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marriage is oldfashioned that swinging is more fun that what you see on TV is the way to be
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and thus I could undress you in public and I could lure you into bed with diseases for which there is no
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cure in other words if I were the devil I'd just keep right on doing what he is doing Paul
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[Music] [Music] [Music] Harvey [Music] Lori Dill formerly Lorie valow was born Lori
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Norine Cox in June of 1973 in San Bernardino California in 2001 Lori married Joseph Ryan Jr Lori came into
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this marriage twice divorced and a mother of a son named Kobe Joseph Ryan legally adop adopted
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Colby then in 2002 the married couple had a daughter Ty Ryan religion was important to Lori she told friends that
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God was telling her that good things were to come she said God told her she would be on America's favorite game show
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Wheel of Fortune sure enough she was and it was obvious this woman very much enjoyed the spotlight and the
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attention she did well on the show winning $177,000 but just like Lor's first two
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marriages this one too fell apart and Joseph Ryan filed for divorce in August of
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2004 later that same year Lori was a contestant in the Mrs Texas pageant less than one year after Lor's
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divorce was finalized Lori married a 49-year-old Charles valow Charles had converted to the Church of Jesus Christ
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of LA latterday Saints Charles like Lori had two children from before their Las Vegas
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wedding in 2013 the couple adopted Charles Val's Grand nephew Joshua Jackson valow and they called him
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JJ in 2014 the couple moved to Kawaii which is the fourth largest of the main Hawaiian
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islands around 2015 Lorie valow started reading the stand and holy places series of books a
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friend would later say that Lori became obsessed with the books after about 2 and 1/2 years in Hawaii the valow family
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moved to Arizona on December 5th 2018 Lori met the author of the book series that she loves so much his name
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Chad debel they met and she joined Chad on a podcast called preparing a people and an episode that was titled time to
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Warrior up this was a lifechanging event for Lori and her family Lor's husband Charles said after
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Lori became obsessed with the books and met the author Chad debel that it was like she wanted little to nothing to do
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with Charles and the kids Charles said Lori told him that she was the reincarnated wife of Joseph
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Smith an American Rel religious leader from the early 1800s then without notice or explanation
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Lori vanished Charles filed for divorce he claimed Lori withdrew $35,000 from the couple's joint bank
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account Charles said Lori stole his vehicle and before she vanished she threatened to murder him then 58 days
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later Lori returned and 2019 the Ryan and valow families amongst others would experience a series of
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questionable suspicious and tragic events that would threaten to destroy the families why were there so many
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people in Lor's life that were dying and Vanishing on Valentine's Day 2020 dine released an episode featuring
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The Great Keith Morrison that covered recent events in Lor's life the episode was titled where are the
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children the media was calling Lori the Doomsday mom we're calling this week's episodes Tyle Ryan and JJ
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valow this is true crime garage we use this week's trailer to give a bit of a backstory to one of the main
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characters in this week's True Crime Story let's pick this story up late in the year of
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2018 at this spot on our timeline late 2018 Lor's full name is Lori valow as she is married to Charles valow and
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early December of 2018 Lori met Chad debel Chad is an author he is the author of several books
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it looks like he was first published back in 2003 if not earlier and seems to be quite a prolific author at that as I
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saw about 14 or 15 books but there are probably more out there by this guy he has several book series The Emma Trilogy
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which is described as a fictional time travel series and there is the standing in holy places series and the times of
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turmoil series when Lori meets Chad he is married and has been for about 28 years he and his wife Tammy have five
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children together Chad deel graduated from Brigham Young University in 1992 with a ba in journalism he went on to be
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the founder of the Spring Creek book company so he is I guess self published in the way that he is the founder of a
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Publishing Company yeah I believe at first he was published by other companies and then founded his own
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publishing house and then published his own books the quick online description of his books are quote End Times fiction
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I think a much more interesting description is what I found for one of his books that is titled living on the
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edge of Heaven under the portion of about the book and the author Chad dbel it says when Chad deel was 17 years old
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he had a near-death experience while cliff jumping he crossed into another dimension and realized there was a world
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Beyond this one a second near-death experience in his early 20s was much more indepth he was hit with a monstrous
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wave at Lala Cove in California while his body was being tossed by the wave his Spirit was
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visiting with his grandfather who showed him future events involving his still unborn children this accident caused his
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Veil that separates mortal life from the spirit world to stay partially open so he often feels as if he has one foot in
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both worlds Chad has since become a noted author and publisher and he's particularly well known for his
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futuristic LDS novels that are based on what he has been shown he has also helped several people publish books
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about their own near-death experiences as you read his experiences you will realize that we are all part of
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an eternal family we each have ancestors in the spirit world who deeply care about our spiritual progress and seek to
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assist in our daily lives well I'm not going to that Thanksgiving it goes on to say that Chad has shared portions of his
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inspiring story over the years and blog interviews and Fireside talks but now he
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has assembled them into one volume that will uplift and Entertain You his experiences demonstrate how close to
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heaven we truly are I believe he also started hearing voices after the first near-death experience yes that's what I
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believe his claim to have one foot in both worlds means Now spoiler alert none of Chad's books will be the feature of
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this week's recommended reading segment H now for those that do not know much about this case we are being quite
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descriptive here because Chad will be as big of a part of this story as Lori let's introduce Melanie Gibb she was
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Lor's best friend Melanie attended religious themed conferences where Chad debel was a speaker Melanie was present
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when Lori and Chad met for the very first time Lori as we said was very much into Chad's books and then she was a
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guest on the preparing a people's podcast I've not heard any of these shows as it looks like there were many
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episodes which often would feature a guest and the general theme of the show is the end of the world and doomsday
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prepping well a lot of the episodes have been pulled but not only did they have a
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podcast but they actually had a a whole podcast Network the guest either sharing
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their Visions or versions of the end of the world and their preparations for such a month later Lori according to her
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husband Charles valow she seems to be checking out from their family life she no longer seems interested in her
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marriage to Charles or their two children Tyle Ryan and JJ valow Tyle Ryan is Lor's daughter from Lor's
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previous marriage and Charles and Lori adopted JJ valow who was Charles's Grand nephew now this part of the timeline is
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a little fuzzy but sometime in either January or February two major events in the Charles and Lori marriage take place
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Lori goes awall and disappears for 58 days and Charles files for a divorce some sources say that Lori disappeared
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in January and some say February what we do have is February 8th 2019 is the date when Charles valow
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files for divorce from Lori in the filing Charles claims that in late January 2019 Lori told Charles that she was
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preparing for the second coming of Christ and this would take place in July of 2020 Lori said that she was one of the
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chosen that would lead the 144,000 mentioned in the Book of Revelation well I think they had to reschedule the
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second coming because of Co all right captain now I am way out of practice with my Bible studies and frankly a bit
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out to lunch on the whole thing uhhuh and just a little aside here with outgoing into my own beliefs in
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reference to the Bible if I say something wrong please believe me there's no intent to offend it is just
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my ignorance okay so back to business Revelation 7 says after this I saw four Angels standing at the Four Corners of
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the Earth holding back the four Winds of the earth to prevent any wind from blowing on the land or on the sea or on
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any tree then I saw another angel coming up from the East having the Seal of the
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Living God he called out in a loud voice to the Four Angels who had been given power to harm the land and the Sea do
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not harm the land or the sea or the trees until we put a seal on the foreheads of the Servants of our God
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then I heard the number of those who were sealed 144,000 from all the tribes of Israel
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and then it goes on to list 12,000 people from 12 different tribes I imagine it sounds similar to our beer
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shout outs and then 144,000 is mentioned again in Revelation 14 which says then I
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looked and there before me was the the lamb standing on Mount Zion and with him 144,000 who had his name and his
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father's name written on their foreheads and I heard a sound from heaven like the
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Roar of Rushing Waters and like a loud peel of Thunder the sound I heard was like that of harpist playing their Harps
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and they sang A New Song Before the Throne and before the four living creatures and the El ERS no one could
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learn the song except the 144,000 who had been redeemed from the earth these are those who did not defile
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themselves with women for they kept themselves pure they follow the lamb wherever he goes they were purchased
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from among men and offered as first fruits to God and the lamb no lie was found in their mouths they are are
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blameless so the number 144,000 is certainly something of significance but you know be it various
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or even open to interpretation depending on your background and or their teachings but according to Wikipedia The
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Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints believes that the cealing of the 144,000 relates to the high priest
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ordained unto the holy order of God to administer the Everlasting gospel for they are they who are ordained out
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of every nation Kindred tongue and people by the angels to whom is given power over the nations of the earth to
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bring as many as will come to the Church of the firstborn let's highlight that last
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sentence there Church of the firstborn because in a probable cause affidavit with the state of Idaho V Lori valo item
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23 States as follows Melanie Gibb told Rexburg detective Ron ball that Lorie valow held the religious belief that she
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was a part of the Church of the firstborn and their mission was to lead the 144,000 mentioned in the Book of
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Revelation Charles Val's divorce filing States Lori threatened to murder him if he got in the way of her preparations
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for Christ's Second Coming well that seems like the most logical thing to do yes you're preparing to meet Christ that
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you're going to murder somebody well just one month later in March of 2019 Char real quick question for you what
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song do you think they're talking about what song yeah they talk about the song that people can't learn is that like a
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Huey Lewis in the news song or maybe something from Culture Club again I believe open to interpretation depending
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on your background and whatever the teachings are of whoever is informing you of of this so definitely Culture
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Club so just one month later in March of 2019 Charles valow withdrew the petition
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saying he wanted to try to make the marriage work yeah cuz that's the natural thing to do after somebody
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threatens to kill you for stopping them from meeting Christ well a lot of people
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have questioned this action of Charles you have to wonder is is there a chance that he thought that his wife
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needed a lot of help and he was going to be willing to be there for her and try to get her the help that he thought
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maybe she needed Melanie Gibb says that sometime after this she was at Lor's house when Chad debel called Lori at her
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house Melanie described that phone call to East Idaho news.com saying Chad told Lori that her
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husband Charles valow had been possessed and would die in a car crash Chad described to Lori that Charles was no
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longer Charles that this unclean spirit that was friends with Charles on the earth had now passed on and now he is
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this unclean Spirit on Earth roaming around and he's attached himself to Charles and now he has entered Charles's
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body and taking it over okay so he's not really Charles anymore now he's this guy
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named Ned Snider wait he named him yeah Chad named I didn't know he named him yeah that just makes the story so much
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better Melanie says Lori was quote blown out and uncomfortable with what Chad was telling
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her but Lori trusted Chad in his Revelations she would call Chad and ask him questions and Chad would tell her
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who was a dark or light Spirit Chad would say that he was receiving receiving Revelation about people he
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said the veil Between Heaven and Earth was open all of the time to him and he had a way of seeing things that Lori
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could not again according to East Idaho news.com Lori would tell Melanie quote he meaning Chad is so much better at
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getting Revelation than Lori Lori told her she used to get it a lot but would rely on Chad a lot more now all right
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I'm going to try to simplify this so everyone can gain some kind of understanding of this stuff so let's
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March together arm in- arm and try to sift through the Hoy and applesauce well go for it Ned all right and I can only
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describe this as best as I think that I can understand it by everything I've read Chad debel and Lori valow believe
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that there are light spirits and dark spirits on this Earth and some people that we see walking around are actually
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already dead they are zombies Chad and Lori told Melanie that they knew how many zombies there were
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and it was their job to get rid of all of the zombies before the end of the world and they would get rid of these
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zombies through some kind of prayer according to Melanie not only did they believe that this was their mission but
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they believed that ridding the Earth of zombies through the power of their prayers was actually working because
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Chad would receive the zombie death toll numbers either in Visions or from the voice of God I don't know about any of
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you out there but my preferred method to rid the Earth of zombies is to set up shop on a shopping mall rooftop and
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rifle fire those bastards in the head just like in the 2004 version of Dawn of the Dead oddly enough here Captain it
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seems like you do not want to be a dark Spirit no according to their beliefs you
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want to be a light spirit I prefer that well it shouldn't surprise anybody that anyone who question these beliefs or
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remember that in March of 2019 Charles Valor withdrew the divorce petition saying he wanted to try to make the
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marriage work MH well this is Ned right well making the marriage work didn't really work at all because not too long
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after that Lori and Charles are living apart and now it is a little unclear if this next event took place either just
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before or after the two were living apart but we have to discuss a fake email and it goes a little more than
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just a fake email okay so Lori still married to Charles she created a fake email account
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for Charles she wanted to send an email pretending to be Charles and she does so to which she
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emails Chad debel the email is supposed to to be from Charles inviting author Chad debel
00:31:00
to come and stay at their home and he would pay Chad to stay there and write I'm guessing a book or something
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they don't go into too much detail come to my home write you can stay in our guest room or our guest house and I will
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pay you for your time and we know it's a fake email we know because there's evidence that Charles became aware of
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this email somehow well cuz I'm just saying if if my if I was married and my wife started to believe in all this
00:31:33
stuff that this author was saying and it seems like this author is controlling my
00:31:38
wife maybe I'd offer him to come hey stay at my house I'll pay you to write here just cuz I
00:31:46
want to get you close so I can punch you in your stupid face there's also a chance that this may be the first that
00:31:54
Charles really is aware of this Chad DeBell but what happens is he discovers this and he wants to know why Lori would
00:32:02
be writing an email to this guy and offering for him to come stay in their home and so he's questioning all of this
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questioning his wife but on top of that there is a lot of belief that Charles was intending to contact Chad's Wife
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Tammy right and let her know hey I think that my wife and your husband might be a
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getting it on having a affair yeah a little flicky flicky a little zombie love making zombie flicky flicky so now
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Captain we have to introduce a man named Alex Cox Alex is Lorie's brother by this
00:32:48
point the two are living apart Charles and Lori no longer live together on July 10th
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2019 Lori asked her brother Alex to spend the night at her home the next morning Charles valow drove to Lor's
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place to get his adopted son JJ when he arrived to pick up JJ and this is how the story goes I want I wanted to be
00:33:13
clear that it's a it could just be a story Lori and Charles get into some kind of argument Alex standing up for
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his sister gets involved and now he is arguing with Charles according to Alex the argument gets way
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out of control and Charles picks up a baseball bat and charges at Alex and hits Alex in the head Alex then in a
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move to quote defend himself he runs to the bedroom where he slept the night before and he retrieved a shotgun and
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then he shot Charles twice in the chest Alex says that about 5 minutes later he called
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911 you can see portions of police talking with Alex after this event you can hear the 911
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call online I don't know that we should play it here it's a rather boring 911 call and I hate to refer to it as that
00:34:12
yeah but you've heard it Captain Alex does not sound excited no excited upset concerned anything M he sounds very
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matter of fact he speaks very slowly at some point the dispatcher says hey would
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you mind performing CPR on the man that you just shot and he says yeah no I don't know how to do that she says well
00:34:37
I'll walk you through it and then we hear him I guess he's performing CPR or pretending to perform CPR he doesn't
00:34:46
sound out of breath which I really question what he was actually doing because anybody that's ever administered
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CPR always says the same thing it's exhausting very quickly well this bothers me because is it
00:35:00
self-defense if a guy's coming at you with a baseball bat that's self- defense now if he hit you with the baseball bat
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and then you went and retrieved a gun but now you're not an immediate danger then it's not
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self-defense it's just retaliation it's revenge and you have to question a bunch
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of other things here with this particular story first he hit me over the head with a baseball bat Charles was
00:35:30
a former College athlete the guy was in good shape right and if he was as angry as Alex says he
00:35:39
was then you dead right I'm sorry unless he totally whiffed mhm you would expect
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that he would have dropped this dude on the floor cracked his skull open got him
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what have is Alex outside talking with police and he does have some kind of wound to his head but it's it's quite
00:36:04
small it is bleeding but bleeding just a little bit it it doesn't appear to me like swing batter it doesn't appear like
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what Alex says went down went down or if it did Charles didn't get a good hit at
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all right but even if he did if he doesn't have the weapon or you're away from him and he's not coming at you he's
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not uh trying to knock through the door then you're not in self-defense anymore right I get that and the thing is I'm
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questioning the entire story right but he's not charged with anything no the he claims self-defense and the local police
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close the case that something's just fishy with that it just doesn't make a lot of sense it makes zero sense because
00:36:53
when police interview Alex and they interview Lori and Tye there are different stories about what went down
00:37:01
that morning right Alex says it was only he and Charles in the house when this whole argument started and ended and he
00:37:10
called 911 to which Lori and Tye say that they were home so it's there's no con there
00:37:18
should be no confusion there they're either not home or they are home MH so why are they telling different stories
00:37:25
about that morning maybe they didn't actually charge him with murder because Charles was already dead according to
00:37:34
Chad and so Charles at this point was Ned so so it's not really murder if you kill a guy that's already dead so maybe
00:37:45
they talked to Chad and Chad cleared him up and said hey since you guys believe me since the police believes me you guys
00:37:52
are the white spirits and so uh just let let my all right somewhere some guy just
00:38:00
ran off the side of the road and he's cursing at the captain but what the captain is saying does follow the story
00:38:09
it's a possibility it certainly is I'm not claiming to ever have made sense but right there I made perfect sense
00:38:16
according to yeah according to the rules of Chad and Lori okay here's where it gets even more strange and and
00:38:25
cold-hearted Lori is interviewed by police you can see portions of this interview online she's kind of resting
00:38:33
up against her vehicle they're kind of asking her questions nonchalantly and I don't know if look I we we get in this
00:38:41
weird situation every week I feel like where we're we're condemning the police we're championing the police who knows
00:38:48
people say we hate them people say we love them too much I don't know we kind we kind of review it on a caseby Case
00:38:55
basis I don't know know if they just believed Alex's story so much that they were not looking for reasons to to
00:39:05
question what took place or Lor's an attractive woman and maybe the officer talking to her was just being casual and
00:39:16
maybe taken AB by her appearance I don't know but you can see in this little very
00:39:23
casual interview very casual questioning of L she's just kind of resting up against her vehicle and she's talking
00:39:31
with the officer minutes after her husband was killed by her brother and I don't care
00:39:39
what you think about their relationship between Charles and Lori at that time this is should be a traumatic event
00:39:47
her husband was killed by her brother there's no way to swing that without it being or should be tragic to this woman
00:39:58
she's casually talking with them smiling and even joking and chuckling at one point in this interview well right
00:40:06
because one of her problems is now out of the way she doesn't have to worry about getting divorced she's been
00:40:11
divorced multiple times and those are messy so it's just easier that now he's dead and again if she's believing
00:40:17
everything that Chad is feeding her she's probably thought that Charles was dead for a long time so I mean this this
00:40:28
lady has some serious issues later that day Lori hosted a pool party at her house the same house where her husband
00:40:37
was just shot twice in the chest and died in the next day July 12th wait say that
00:40:45
again she hosted a pool party at her house Jesus the next day July 12th oh it gets it gets even more
00:40:55
bizarre regarding this one incident this one should be lifechanging event yeah and maybe the police should
00:41:04
say if this lady is totally fine with having a pool party the next day then maybe we should look into this well I
00:41:11
don't maybe this this murder wasn't Justified you know we we got to we we should step back and and for a moment I
00:41:20
it does not appear that the law enforcement at the time would have been aware of this pool party well they
00:41:25
probably were inv invited when she cuz she's always constantly looking for the next husband hey hey by the way thanks
00:41:33
for helping cover up the murder come by tomorrow we're going to have refreshments and a pool party no no the
00:41:39
pool party Captain was not the next day it was the afternoon of the day that her
00:41:44
husband was killed so even even more bizarre but there was an event that's just as strange that took place the
00:41:52
following day July 12th 2019 this is when Lorie valow notifies Charles's Sons his two sons from another
00:42:03
marriage of his death via text message she repeatedly Dodges their questions regarding his cause of death now it's
00:42:13
reported that she sent the first text to his sons approximately 32 hours after the shooting how about you read those
00:42:24
texts for everybody okay again just so everybody can wrap their heads around it the first text goes to his two sons
00:42:32
approximately 32 hours after this man died in her home the first text says this is at 4:36 p.m the following day
00:42:43
this is hi boys I have very sad news your dad passed away yesterday I'm working on making arrangements and I'll
00:42:50
keep you informed with what's going on I'm still not sure how to handle things just just want you to know that I love
00:42:58
you and so did your dad followed with a nice picture of a heart there one of the boys replies
00:43:05
immediately Lori what happened Lori then replies immediately we are still waiting
00:43:11
for the medical examiner report I'll let you know more when I can and I'm going to go ahead and apologize in advance I'm
00:43:20
going to read these whether they're mistakes or profanity or whatever so pardon my French because it just ain't
00:43:26
that good well sometimes you say bad words okay one of the boys goes on to say where is he and what happened
00:43:33
question mark Lori I'll call you when I can bub he is here in Arizona what okay yes where in Arizona question mark when
00:43:46
did this all happen question mark how's JJ doing remember they are half Brothers
00:43:54
right with JJ what's well I guess JJ's adopted but regardless they're related right what
00:44:01
funeral home is he at question mark then there's nothing there's no response to these four
00:44:08
questions and then the following day one of the sons has to reach out again now we are at
00:44:15
Friday well in all fairness she had a pool party you know so she had to clean up
00:44:23
from the pool party there was a lot of stuff to happen no wonder she didn't reply to these texts so on Friday at
00:44:32
6:54 p.m after having not heard back from Lori one of the sons text her saying Lori what the [ __ ] happened you
00:44:42
can't just tell us out you can't just tell us our dad died and disappear you're not too busy to just let us know
00:44:53
he sorry there's all these there's all okay sorry I'm laughing it's not a funny subject matter it's just it's so
00:45:02
ridiculous that she's not replying to these kids I mean it shows you how Disturbed of an individual she is it
00:45:10
says you're not too busy to just let us know how he died and disappear again no answer cuz he didn't
00:45:18
die he was murdered so then an hour and a half later the son texts Lori again Lori it's
00:45:26
been about 3 hours you're not that busy I don't care what you're doing finally he gets a response from Lor says I'm
00:45:34
sorry you are so upset I'm so upset too I'm trying to get JJ ready for bed I'm waiting to hear back from the medical
00:45:44
examiner to make sense out of all of this myself please be patient with me it's a crushing situation all the way
00:45:52
around I'm still trying to process it to and what what it means for JJ yeah I'm trying to process the fact that uh he
00:46:00
was shot with a Shotgun by my brother again the son texts her back now keep in mind this is also you know uh
00:46:10
Lori has had a relationship with these men you know these are her um she's the stepmother well obviously not that good
00:46:20
of one so the son text her again when and where is the funeral how did this all happen I want an
00:46:29
explanation yeah to which he gets no response at all the following day on Saturday now we are a couple of days
00:46:39
after his father has been killed just sends a question mark because he's not heard back from Lori on his many
00:46:46
questions and then two hours later again sends another question mark to which Lori finally responds this is at 700
00:46:55
p.m. on Saturday July 13th I'm still waiting working on arrangements and sorting things out the best I can I'll
00:47:02
let you know when I know again the son responds why aren't you telling me what happened I've asked
00:47:09
numerous times just tell me now I'm sure at some point the the the sons tried to
00:47:15
call her and she's just not answering correct oh yeah okay she goes on to offer a little bit more of an
00:47:22
explanation saying something about today I'm trying to put up a memorial page on
00:47:27
the funeral home website I'll send the link to you when I have it I love you and so does your
00:47:33
dad this is now Tuesday July 16th right so we're getting several days away from this whole event and listen to what the
00:47:44
son text to her I appreciate this information but I will ask these questions again because I still haven't
00:47:51
been given an answer what happened when did it happen how did did it happen where is he now is there a funeral when
00:47:59
is it who have you told about his death give me all information you have please my brother and I deserve to know I
00:48:08
wonder at this point if they've tried to contact police to find out if they had any information I'm sure they're
00:48:15
probably calling all kinds of family members but it doesn't sound like Lori is communicating any of this event to
00:48:23
anyone outside of her four walls she's been asked repeatedly by the sons of this man how did he die and she is Days
00:48:31
Later refusing to tell them who gives a [ __ ] about the medical examiner you are
00:48:36
aware that your brother shot this man to death aha that's the key right there protecting the brother if we don't
00:48:44
answer to his sons if we don't tell anybody oh we I don't know how he died then they can't question it the more
00:48:52
people questioning the police or the more people demanding the the police look into the stories that Lori is
00:49:00
saying and and her brother Alex is saying you need to look into this it's 5 days later this man's been dead for 5
00:49:09
days his sons are asking his wife right how how he died to which her only response is I'm still waiting for the
00:49:20
medical examiner more proof it wasn't self-defense more proof that this was a murder doesn't that make it sound to you
00:49:28
like she's trying to she's trying to make the appearance to her stepsons that oh we're not really sure
00:49:38
how he died the medical examiner is going to get back to us yeah you're conveniently leaving out
00:49:45
oh where you know my my brother shot him though so we probably have a decent idea
00:49:52
on how he died and you're right Captain I think it's uh you know what let's keep
00:49:56
these two in the dark so that we can get this man in the ground before anybody starts to question the death of this man
00:50:05
and you asked did Lori tell anybody else about what was going on well we have this story this again from Melanie Gibb
00:50:13
right she says that Lorie called her to report Charles's death and here is what Melanie Gibb said to East Idaho news.com
00:50:21
she said quote I didn't know about the shooting until 4 days after it happened Lori called me and said hey did you see
00:50:28
the news Melanie said I don't watch the news then Lori tells Melanie Charles was
00:50:34
shot Melanie was confused and asked what happened Lori said Charles valow had been planning to kill her to cash in on
00:50:44
a $3 million life insurance policy really she also said Charles's sister K Woodcock was now a
00:50:53
zombie and was after Lord could you imagine hearing this from somebody this is not the first time
00:51:01
she's heard about zombies from from Lori though so Lori says that yeah but you got to be thinking about the fact that
00:51:09
she has kids in order these kids going through right right and now you know that there's already one person who is
00:51:18
dead in this whole thing it's it's very it's very confusing and Melanie's only getting to hear one very
00:51:26
one-sided part of this story right So Lorie goes on to tell Melanie about a $1 million life insurance policy on Charles
00:51:36
and how Lori thought that she was going to get that money now that Charles was dead but she goes on to tell Melanie
00:51:43
that Lori found out after her brother shot and killed Charles that actually months before his death Charles had
00:51:51
switched the beneficiary on the policy to his sister k a little quick background here if you haven't already
00:51:58
put it together K is Charles's sister and she is the biological grandmother of JJ valow who Charles and Lori eventually
00:52:11
adopted all right so you would think that that would be the most bizarre thing in a true crime case that we would
00:52:20
be covering this week this is just the start of of all that is to come in this in this crazy mixed up story here yeah
00:52:32
and this is also extremely weird and suspicious meaning the death of Charles because of the following let's go back
00:52:39
in time to 2001 and do a quick timeline 2001 Lori marries Joseph Anthony Ryan Jr
00:52:47
in September of 2002 Ty Ryan is born to Lori and Joseph Lori and Joseph Ryan divorce on February 24th
00:52:59
2006 in 2007 in Travis County Texas Joseph Ryan was attacked by Lor's brother Alex
00:53:11
Cox surprise surprise tasered Joseph Ryan and threatened to murder him Alex pled guilty and was sentenced to 90 days
00:53:21
in jail and 5 years probation to take this a step further now when Alex was in jail he repeatedly asked his
00:53:30
sister to provide him with some pictures of Joseph because he says that he wants
00:53:36
some pictures of Joseph so he can pass them around to the other inmates at the jail saying things like a lot of my new
00:53:43
friends in here would like to spend some time with Joseph right these are threats
00:53:48
in case anybody's confused Joseph Ryan died 11 years later on April 3rd 2018 from a myoc condre infarction that's a
00:54:00
fancy way of saying a heart attack but now self-defense or not he kills Charles valow in July of
00:54:11
2019 I think it would be fair to question if Joseph really died from a heart attack or from what yeah I think
00:54:19
it's fair unless they didn't have any contact so let's just hold our horses for a second right because this story is
00:54:27
pretty confusing but so so Lori's married multiple times but we have her brother at least one time before killing
00:54:37
this man threatening to kill one of her husbands yes so by this point in our timeline right we are now through July
00:54:48
of 2019 and Lori has been married 1 2 3 four times times mhm her third husband was attacked with a taser and threatened
00:55:00
to be murdered by her brother Alex Cox who receives a jail sentence plus probation then years later in July of
00:55:12
2019 Lori valow now on her fourth marriage married to Charles valow there's an argument that goes down at
00:55:21
her house after the two are already somewhat separated Maybe even in the process of an actual divorce mhm and
00:55:28
Alex Cox happens to be staying the night there when this argument takes place the
00:55:34
next morning and he uses a shotgun to kill Charles valow and then we have Lori on record
00:55:42
being a little bit confused as to why she did not inherit the money from the insurance policy right the million dooll
00:55:51
policy so that is four husbands one of them dead one of them was threatened to be murdered by the same
00:55:59
man who just so happly claimed self-defense when he killed the other husband all some very shady business
00:56:05
going on there Captain yeah piles of [ __ ] mm so let's go to August we're going to go to August 10th
00:56:14
2019 this will be the last recorded time that the grandparents and this is Larry and Kay
00:56:23
woodcock that they speak to JJ their grandson the little boy right the reason why these episodes are
00:56:35
titled Ty Ryan and JJ valow is because this whole crazy story came to light when these kids went missing now at this
00:56:48
time even though this is the last time that the grandparents say that they spoke with JJ the kids are not
00:56:55
Officially Missing at this point what we have going on is there's a lot of cleaning up and moving around
00:57:03
that's about to happen right it seems like Lori is closing out one major chapter in her life and looking to move
00:57:10
on to another on August 30th Lori returns JJ's service dog citing a quote change in
00:57:21
life circumstances okay it says returns the dog but that's not the full story JJ has
00:57:28
special needs he is on the autism spectrum Charles got this dog for his adopted son JJ to help him out with I
00:57:39
mean a a service dog can help people with Autism help people with other needs significantly right and there's no
00:57:47
question about it this service dog was helping JJ JJ loved this dog you know the old cliche a man's best friend this
00:57:57
was JJ's best friend by every report that is out there his father is now dead this kid already had special needs could
00:58:05
you imagine the needs that he has now that he has no father and there's also some question if he witnessed the murder
00:58:13
or the self-defense killing of his father right and now you're going to take away the service dog that has
00:58:20
helped this boy out so much in his young life yeah we have no jobs we have no no
00:58:25
food her Pet's heads are falling off well and they cite that she returned the dog due to a change in life
00:58:32
circumstances the truth of the matter is that she attempted to sell the dog and only when the dog did not sell she
00:58:41
returned the dog to the place where they originally got the service animal so that this dog could go on and help
00:58:48
somebody else now the change in life circumstances was not that JJ no no longer required the service dog no it
00:58:58
was because Lori wanted to move that went down on August 30th because on or around September 1st so within 48 Hours
00:59:07
of returning JJ's service dog Lori along with Tye and JJ they move to Rexburg Idaho well what is near
00:59:19
Rexburg Idaho Chad debel he lives 5 mil from the condominium that Lori along with Ty and JJ move into on September
00:59:32
1st she will sign JJ up to go to school at Kennedy Elementary in Rexburg Idaho after the move what's crazy is this is a
00:59:41
true story this sounds as fictional as the books Chad would would write mhm it's ridiculous this portion of the
00:59:50
timeline is extremely important here Captain so I do want to not not a few items here on September 8th 2019 this is
00:59:59
after they moved to Rexburg Idaho there is proof of taay Lee she is in Yellowstone National Park along with
01:00:07
Lori and Lor's brother Alex and JJ valow on September 23rd 2019 JJ has an unexcused absence from
01:00:23
school the 20 3D was a Monday so the last time that JJ valow was present at his new school of Kennedy Elementary was
01:00:33
the Friday of September 20th the following day after he has this unexcused absence his mother Lori calls
01:00:44
and informs JJ school that he will be going to stay in Louisiana until at least October 29th maybe longer so JJ
01:00:55
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