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chair grab a beer let's talk some true crime [Music] this week's true crime story
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involves one of the more terrifying murder scenes that we have covered the female victim makes a distress call
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from a remote isolated wooded area where she is alone her husband is on the other end
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when the call is abruptly cut off the husband knows something terrible has happened
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he rushes to find her but it is too late by the time he gets to her she is in her death throws
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and the scene was bloody and chaotic someone had it in for this woman this was not a random crime
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but who knew where she would be that day in the wisconsin woods and who would target this middle-aged
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wife and mother she was an upstanding public servant with no known enemies this is true crime garage
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and this is the case of kathy namath [Music] [Music] it was october 12 2002 in rural lang
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laid county wisconsin we have 43 year old kathy namath who lived in elcho a tiny idyllic town of about 1200 or so
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residents in the northern part of wisconsin this is a saturday now on this saturday
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evening around 7 pm kathy got into her car and drove to loon lake which is located about 25 miles north of
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antigo the county seat and it's about a 13 minute drive from downtown elcho loon
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lake is in a very remote and unsettled area that is mostly used by hunters campers and summer cabin dwellers that's
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where kathy was headed she is going there because her parents have a cabin on the lake but she's not going there to
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meet her parents because kathy's parents had left the area for florida earlier that day they intended to stay in
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florida for several months of course to avoid the upcoming wisconsin winter they had closed up their cabin for the
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season so around 7pm kathy decided to head out to the lake house to clear out her parents freezer which had a big
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supply of frozen meat inside now unfortunately something terrible happened when she went up to her parents
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cabin she was murdered up there and because she went there alone we are not left with a whole lot of definitive
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information about how it all went down but we can take an old look and see approach here captain so this whole
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scene seems to me to be like right out of friday the 13th or some other horror movie featuring an isolated wooded cabin
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in the forest the rustic cabin was located on loon lake lane which winds its way through the dense woods around
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the lake turning into a dirt road houses there from my understanding appear to be
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very far or somewhat far apart and separated by large thickly wooded areas so no neighbors are right next door to
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one another it was a rainy evening and kathy drove up to the lake house by herself and parked her car outside of
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the cabin it was after 7 pm so in october you know anybody can check their phone that lives
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in the midwest it would be dark or nearly dark at this time looking at my phone right now
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captain it's october 12th 19 years later and we're set for a sunset at 6 58 pm right so it would be dark or nearly dark
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by the time she arrives according to later reports kathy did not make it inside the cabin
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the next thing that we know that happened was a radio transmission from her handheld emt radio okay so she goes
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and makes this trip by herself we know she arrives at the cabin she parks outside for whatever reason we have
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investigators later telling us that we do not believe that she ever made it into the cabin and before she can get
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into the cabin she's going to use her emt radio to make a call now kathy was a well-respected senior emt in el show and
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was also employed on the ambulance squad in town as well as the fire department she's quite busy with these two
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different jobs now because of her position she had a radio at her disposal and it sounds to me like she's carrying
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this thing most places if not everywhere that she goes on this day she's going to use it to call for help
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for herself or we can surmise that right here is the very brief transmission that went out from
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kathy's radio and it says this is 96 so that's her radio id number there's a man with a raincoat and he's
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scruffy looking and dot dot dot the transmission abruptly cut off so one more time captain that is this is
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96 there's a man with a raincoat and he's scruffy looking and the transmission cuts off all right a
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couple of things just to get one out of the way hello wisconsin if you look up loon lake and wisconsin
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it seems like there's multiple loon lakes we're talking about the one that is 44 acres
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it has a maximum depth of 13 feet according to articles about the case kathy's abbreviated radio transmission
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went out to multiple authorities this is one of those instances that someone radios to a specific channel that is
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monitored by others in the same department or division so her transmission was apparently heard by
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several people now one of these people captain will be kathy's husband david namath
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david namath was the fire chief in el cho so of course he had his radio on him as well
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and he heard his wife's message of seeing a scruffy man and then it cuts off and then several articles we found
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said that the transmission ended when the signal was lost so it's totally unclear to me whether
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this means that kathy was attacked at that moment or something caused her to drop her
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radio right or whether for some reason the signal failed halfway through whatever
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she was trying to communicate to everyone else and the transmission dropped either way
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this spells disaster for kathy remember she's alone out in this area now there may be other
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people at some of these cabins but if any of them are following her parents lead they're packing up and leaving for
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the winter at some point may have already done so regardless of who else is up there
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who owns these cabins there's a good deal of distance from cabin to cabin right and so again she
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might as well be all by herself according to sheriff stagger kathy's tone of voice showed she was in
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danger david tried to radio back to his wife asking what was going on and there's no
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response on kathy's end david accompanied by his son and kathy's son nick they jumped in the vehicle and drove to
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this cabin one of the things i think law enforcement is gonna have to deal with in this case is that some of these
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cabins probably are rental cabins or there's probably campgrounds close by where
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somebody could just camp out for the night when they arrive on the scene they see kathy lying on the ground and
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there's blood all over her she had been stabbed multiple times but she was still
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alive when they get there now david radioed for assistance telling the dispatcher
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that kathy had at least five stab wounds that he could see including one to her neck saying that she is breathing
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semi-conscious he told the dispatcher he said that he needed an ambulance right away now it's hard to imagine david and
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his son's anxiety and panic as they awaited the ambulance which had to come from at minimum
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13 minutes away if it was stationed in the closest town of elcho wsa news 7 reported some important
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information on the case the station reported that david along with their son nick found kathy
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barely alive just moments after the attack david said he asked kathy who the attacker was
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and she said she did not know him shortly after this she died the article went on to say while calling for help
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kathy described her attacker as being average height with a bushy beard wearing a raincoat we know this isn't
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entirely accurate as kathy's radio transmission did not contain all of that information but perhaps the part about
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the average height and the beard were descriptors that she was able to give to her husband it's a little unclear where
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this information and how this information came from kathy to whomever right right after she's attacked but
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several years later we have wsaw that reported that kathy was never asked about who had harmed her as she was near
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death when she was found so we really don't know what's true here from this statement we have the same
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news agency reporting two different things at different times in regards to the same situation right it seems like
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the only info we can really rely on as factual is what was in her original transmission
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or at least that's what i'm choosing to look at is what is factual in this case right with the transmission the radio
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transmission we have multiple ear witnesses correct and again that the guy whoever this guy was
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was scruffy and wearing a raincoat so the average height thing again was that something she told to her
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husband and he later relays it to others what it sounds like from this additional
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report the later report from wsaw is that doesn't it kind of imply that she does not tell that to the ambulance
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personnel or to emt well like you said when the husband comes upon her if that part of the story is true
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hey who did this i don't know but then the description happens and then everybody else gets there and and then
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at some point she wouldn't be talking at that point yeah right able to communicate anything about the attack or
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her attacker at that time and i think that that's what we have to go with here captain because what we do know is that
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once the ambulance arrived the emt that was the first responder on the scene tells the dispatcher at that time that
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the victim was still conscious but barely so again i think you're spot on there with
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if she told anybody anything it would have been her husband who we know arrived at least 13 minutes before
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an ambulance could be on the scene kathy made it to marshfield hospital after being airlifted to the hospital
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but died soon thereafter the lang laid sheriff's office led by sheriff dave steger
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along with the antigo police began a joint homicide investigation so obviously with the stab wounds and the
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radio transmission we know from jump street this is absolutely a homicide and we have two agencies looking into this
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case and investigating what went down there near the cabin at loon lake can we just take a second again to go over that
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description i know the description is in question whether he she told that to her
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husband or not but can you just go over that real quick one more time okay so the radio transmission was this is 96
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there's a man with a raincoat and he's scruffy looking and and then it cuts off and then what that first news article
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states is that david says he asked kathy who the attacker was and she said she did not
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know him right shortly after she died the article went on to say while calling for help kathy described
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her attacker as being average height with a bushy beard wearing a raincoat again i hate to keep kind of spinning
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our tires on this thing here but the way that the wording is in the the report just does not seem to be
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anything of accuracy at all because it states while calling for help this is what she said when we when we know in
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fact the radio transmission heard by multiple ear witnesses none of them say that she said
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he's of average height right and it seems like something bizarre to say in that situation right if you're radioing
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to begin with that you're you're afraid or something wrong is happening does anybody go out
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of their way to say he's of average height yeah i think it's vernacular that she would use in her job so that's why
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it's believable to me that she said it to somebody but also with eyewitnesses or ear witnesses people get things wrong
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so maybe three people heard it different and one of the three people or whoever heard her initial
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uh communication maybe one person heard that she actually said average height i could see that too i mean we have
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training that goes into these jobs these very important jobs and these are people
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that are thrown into situations that can be stressful chaotic maybe she just the training kicked in
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as you said and just goes right into terminology and things that she would describe the best that she can given the
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situation right now a little bit about kathy namath before we move too far into this investigation kathy was really
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a normal hard-working woman she was 43 years old at the time of her murder she was a wife and a mother she lived with
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her husband and son nick in elcho and was very involved with her job as a medical worker and emt
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after her death her co-worker jerry dobbs told wsaw7 news quote she loved her family she loved her
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children and her husband she was one of the most caring people i knew end quote her husband david told the station that
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her parents cabin was her favorite place on earth it was unthinkable that that was where she had been attacked and
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brutally slain says that we just couldn't believe it disbelief there were several people that
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were on the scene that day that had to go through a stress debriefing afterward because of the trauma and seeing what
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they experienced now on to the investigation and we have a quick statement from the langlade county
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district attorney who said this is early on in the investigation captain says we're not ruling anything
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out at this point i don't know that there's anything that suggests that the public
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has to be terrified of a random attack but at the same time it's certainly a good idea to be on the alert
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this ambiguous statement wasn't particularly helpful as members of the public were frightened
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and of course they should be right kathy namath was attacked and murdered in an isolated but commonly visited and very
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safe recreational spot and no one seemed to have any idea by whom or even why she was killed
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concerns about a deranged murderer lurking in the woods this is on people's minds
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and they're terrified right if you haven't already packed up your cabin and left for the winter
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now's a great time to get out of dodge well a lot of these lake communities there's not even much crime at all let
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alone a murder taking place correct and the weird radio transmission there's a man here he's scruffy looking wearing a
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raincoat now kathy was tough and she did not go down without a fight we couldn't get a copy of the autopsy
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report but sheriff stagger himself is on record commenting in regards to defensive wounds on her body
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saying it looked like the victim put up a fight there could be some scratches and bruises on the perpetrator this is
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what he told the media according to reports the autopsy concluded that no surprise kathy had died from multiple
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stab wounds but it got even stranger and this next portion of the story was not reported
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until well after the homicide which is bizarro to me but according to wsaw 7 news
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evidence at the scene shows kathy was chased through the property and she used whatever she could to fight off her
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killer but in the end multiple stab wounds were fatal [Music] [Music] [Music] hello wisconsin
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cheers everybody cheers to you captain cheers to all the people in the back and the people in the back will be they will
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want to hear about this so i guess there is a amy maholovic walk that is coming up wednesday october 27th
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and that will be on the unfortunate anniversary of the day that she was abducted from my understanding captain
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this starts at 5 p.m at the bay village middle school now we know that she went from the middle school down to the
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shopping plaza and left with her eventual killer from that shopping plaza the walk will be a
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short one it will be from the middle school and then to the plaza and then back where they will be placing a
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newly engraved stone at a memorial site so if anyone in the bay village area or surrounding areas please go out show
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your support for the maholovic family for amy and for the community in general and join the walk for amy if you want to
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double check on any of the details that i just tried to pass along here or want more information you can find that at
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walk4amy.org so what actually happened at the cabin it looks like police really are not
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quite sure what happened at the cabin that day they stated that all motives were on the table
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but they seemed to have at least partially ruled out a burglary as investigators did not believe that the
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cabin was burglarized it appears that kathy never even made it as far as getting into the cabin itself
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so to me captain when i see that information it makes me wonder if you're saying hey we don't think that burglary
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was the motive here and we don't think that kathy made it into the cabin there must be something indicating that
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neither the killer or kathy made it into the cabin and this could be was it was the cabin
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still locked was it found locked or was nothing disturbed or broken or out of place
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it could be any of these factors but what is also unclear is why authorities drew the conclusion
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that they overtly stated they did not believe that the attack was random that kathy was a target
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again bits of information coming out statements from the police but no real evidence or nothing to tell us how they
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came to these conclusions and nothing backing up those conclusions themselves now one article we were able to dig up
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contains some facts that might explain why investigators believe that kathy was specifically singled out for this
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violent murderous attack keep in mind we're talking about multiple stab wounds here people this is an up close and
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personal attack on kathy namath here's a piece from wsa w news 7 that ran october 15 2002 so
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just three days after the homicide it says investigators say a killer waited in the cold and the dark
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outside an empty cabin to murder kathy namath namath was attacked and stabbed outside her parents empty cabin around
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7pm on that saturday the cabin was closed for the season and namath wasn't expected
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that line has always confused me i've returned to that line from this news article
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many times and cannot figure out exactly what that is supposed to mean i'll repeat that line and continue on it says
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the cabin was closed for the season and nameth kathy wasn't expected yeah hold on a second so we have
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isn't that confusing we have law enforcement saying that we think she was targeted but if she wasn't expected to
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be at the cabin how would that person target her exactly unless they were following her there but at the same time
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says a killer waited in the cold in the dark outside the empty cabin right meaning
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that they didn't follow her there that they were there all along do you feel like this is kind of taking
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like some kind of it could just be bad reporting though right it could be bad reporting and it could be like throwing
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in some creativity like rather than just giving us the facts that there's some kind of storytelling
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angle to the story which i know that's what we do here in the garage but frankly i hate it when other
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people do it let us tell the stories i appreciate it when people stick to the facts man that's right okay
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so the article goes on to say that leads investigators to believe the killer wasn't someone who followed nameth in
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from town but rather someone who knew she was going out to the cabin that night it's such a contradictory
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statement right someone that knew she was going out to the cabin that night but nameth wasn't
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expected again it could just be bad reporting or bad wording as far as that goes this all begs the
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question whether someone had in fact drove to the cabin and waited for kathy's arrival if so
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did the killer park his vehicle somewhere hidden had he left tire tracks that police were
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able to find why were they so sure someone was waiting there for her and who knew
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that she was heading up to the cabin that evening right it doesn't seem to me like you're
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going to have a whole long list of people that would have known that she was going
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to the cabin now maybe when they say kathy namath wasn't expected means this isn't something that she planned
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out the day before or a week in advance or anything like that anything prior maybe it was more of
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oh mom and dad called me said they've left the cabin or were leaving the cabin i don't have anything to do this evening
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or i have some free time this evening tonight would be a convenient time for me to go but again it goes back to if
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you are thinking that she's targeted and you said that statement to the public i can't believe that that list of people
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that would have known that she would be going to the cabin would be very long at
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all so it could only have been someone she told of her plans again based off of the police theory
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because it does not sound from this report as though someone followed her rather someone anticipated her arrival
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and as we said it was someone she did not know that's her words she did not know her attacker or did not recognize
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them based off of the excerpt from her radio transmission if she knew that it was
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john or charlie or bill or bob wouldn't she say on the radio hey bill's up here right charlie's up here no she says
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there's a man up here wearing a raincoat and he's scruffy-looking but maybe what
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they mean by all this is that a killer was in the area 44 acre lake that's not that big of a
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lake right and if you look at loon lake lane the road that the cabin was off of right
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it's pretty much one way in and one way out unless you're gonna go off-roading it's one way in and one way out
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so even though there's people that are staying there or are packing up for the winner
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so again she's not expected to be there but this killer is there maybe looking for a victim yeah and that
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makes you wonder if could there have been somebody else that has reason to be there like another cabin owner or
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somebody that has reason to be there that says you know at 5 or 5 30 i saw a vehicle
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that i've never seen in this area before it was a man driving and he was kind of
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scruffy looking but that's the best the best of the of my recollection of what i
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have and we do know right one fact we do know is when kathy approximately arrives at the cabin so if
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we have somebody telling police behind closed doors some kind of statement like this
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that has not reached our ear balls yet then we can assume that that's what they're
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building this theory off of that we have someone who reported a similar looking individual as vague as that description
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is but arriving in the area well before we know kathy to have been there i mean they're not stating it's a
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yellow raincoat but i wonder if it's something that's so blatantly obvious like you said
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a neighbor sees somebody walking around their property and says why i saw a man in a raincoat the other thing too you
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also have to wonder about if he is waiting there to ambush kathy when she arrives
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how does one individual know which cabin belongs to kathy's parents yeah good point there's other cabins to choose
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from there i'm imagining that they don't look too drastically different or at least the
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plots of land would look too crazy different i mean we're talking about woods here
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now this is where we're going to take a a sharp left here all right are you buckled in there captain
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a few days after the murder police said they were looking for a man who was believed to have been the last person to
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see kathy this was a guy who had seen kathy at the el cho laundry mat two friends of kathy's said that they
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saw her at the laundromat that saturday afternoon and they also saw some guy there doing his laundry they described
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this guy and his truck to police who were able to track him down it turned out that he was just a guy who was doing
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his laundry at the laundromat that saturday apparently he says he does his laundry every saturday at that same
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laundry mat and he happened to be there at the same time as cathy so it looks like police get this lead
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from her friends they are able to track down this guy even though we don't have his name
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and must have determined that he didn't have anything to do with her homicide probably didn't have
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anything to do with really kathy at all that they just happened to be at the same laundry mat on the day that she is
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later murdered well is it possible that she was doing laundry and was like yeah this guy's a little strange
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mention that to her friends and then that's how they tracked him down or why they decided to track him
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down or he may have come forward they say that they're looking for an individual we don't know who he is but
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we do have the description of his vehicle so we're not talking about an area where there's a ton of people right
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so they may have been able to just check some driver's licenses some vehicle registrations and
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get a short list of individuals that owned a truck with that type of description
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the investigation continued following the typical protocols police canvassed the area near the cabin and spoke to
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residents to see if they had seen anything strange or had anything to report at all on october
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17th so this is five days after the homicide sheriff steger told the wausau herald
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that we've talked to probably everybody that lives in el cho by now so we have eliminated some possible
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suspects and we're continuing to do that they trace kathy's last movements which
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is what led them to the laundromat guy and they dug into kathy's life which revealed
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something intriguing that we will get to in a minute now police hinted around a couple of times about having a few
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suspects and you can see that based off of just that last statement that we relayed to you but it's not really clear
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whether this is actually true or not right that we have a few suspects we're not
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naming anybody we're not saying why these people would be suspects so it's not clear if that's actually true or
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just how viable these suspects or likely these suspects would be but it sounds like
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they feel confident that they've spoke to everybody and may even have cleared some people
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at this point in the early stages of their investigation well i know that her husband
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went up there with their son but where was his whereabouts before that when he actually heard her transmission
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well and that's very interesting right because if you are look we there's no getting around it you got to
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look at the husband you got to look at the boyfriend in all of these cases could it be something as simple as he
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set her up that this could be some kind of hit that he purposely was putting himself in a
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different location when this went down and how many times have we reviewed cases and the other
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person you look at is who finds the body so kind of a double whammy here but whammy again how we go back to how many
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people would have known that she would have been here if if in fact this is not a random murder
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if in fact that there wasn't some maniac lurking in the woods with a knife and a
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raincoat then how many people would have known that she was going there around 7pm on that
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saturday in early october and and known that this was a good opportunity to do whatever it was they intended to do
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right you would also have to know that that you're not going to have to be to to come across our parents or other
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people and again how do you discern their cabin from everybody else's one you said too it
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didn't take long for her husband to get there so i'm assuming the cabin's not that far
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from her actual house my issue with that becomes if there is any infidelity in that relationship well
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when the grandparents aren't there you have a pretty easy getaway you don't have to rent a room at a hotel or go to
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that person's house we can just sneak off to the cabin it makes me wonder is that a possibility as well well i was
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going to save this for later but because of of your your questions and comments i think it would be it would be
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right to introduce and kind of examine this now before we move too far along another thing that's kind of unclear
00:36:58
here captain is really the timing of the whole day once we involve not just kathy of course but david her
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husband and her son nick so it's unclear to me the timing on the distress call and the husband's
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arrival because it's been reported multiple times but it's really all over the shop
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it's all over the place one article says that david and nick arrived minutes after the attack
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which you know we've talked about this on this show before you see you use the words
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minutes or moments or soon after it doesn't really give an exact definitive time of the distance you know
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the the lapse of time between one act and the other and so it gets a little hazy just using
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those words in general but we have that one article that says david and nick arrived minutes after the
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attack which makes no sense given how remote this area was and then several articles say that she radioed at 7 38 pm
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one article says that david arrived at 7 44 pm one article says that david arrived 32 minutes after
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kathy radioed so it seems to me that there had to be there has to be a lag of time between
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her radio distress call right and the time that david arrived 7 38 seems to be the most reported time
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of that distress call she arrives sometime after 7 pm at the cabin she's attacked or
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is aware that she's in danger enough to make that distress call and then david and nick arrived to offer
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help or to find their mother and wife maybe they arrived at 7 38 p.m and that's where we're getting we're getting
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these times from but it is unclear i want to make sure that we are clear about how unclear it is on the exact
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timing of a the distress call and b husband david's arrival to find his wife unfortunately
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lying there covered in blood in the woods yeah clear that they're unclear now three months after
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the murder the wausau daily herald reported that the case had stalled so we're roughly 90 days in and they're
00:39:29
kind of hinting at that this thing is starting to get chilly it's starting to get a little cold
00:39:35
this was kind of surprising because as it turns out there were some there was some physical evidence from the crime
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scene as you recall kathy had defensive wounds that led investigators to believe that
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she had scratched her assailant put up some kind of fight perhaps she even drew blood from the killer presumably lab
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techs would have been able to obtain the perpetrator's dna from kathy and then we find out that they did have
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the knife they had the knife that is responsible for her murder apparently a knife was found at the scene
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investigators sent that knife and some unspecified items of clothing and blood samples to a state crime lab
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for analysis and at this time even though we're hearing these rumors that the case is going cold
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seems like there's a lot going on under the surface here they were waiting for results
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uh in this case and this is now january of 2003 that they have this information they've
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sent it off to the lab and we're waiting for the results but there was other big
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news to hit the headlines in regards to kathy's murder one of the articles was titled elcho
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abuzz over killing and of course they're talking about kathy's murder this was because there were reports that
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investigators were looking into whether cathy's murder was related to a local political scandal
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what happened was kathy and her husband david had been just two of several fire department employees i want to be clear
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about that there were multiple people involved in this situation not just kathy and david
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but these were fire department employees who served on the el cho fire department
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executive board and along with three other employees the nameths shared control of a bank account
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containing funds belonging to the el cho fire department so just five days just five days before
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kathy was killed town leaders dissolved the fire department's executive board and you only do that when they're up to
00:41:48
no good right the board was responsible for appropriations among other things so they're in charge of these funds in
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this bank account kathy david assistant fire chief bob jensen and two others were essentially
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removed from a position of authority at the fire department and from having access to the department's bank account
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this was as a result of assistant fire chief bob jensen bringing to the attention to the town board some months
00:42:23
earlier that money was disappearing from the account so someone was embezzling the fire
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department's funds and had been for some time and in connection with all of this
00:42:38
david namath was suspended as fire chief suspended with pay on october 7th assistant chief jensen the whistleblower
00:42:48
was appointed interim chief and all the fire department records were seized as the investigation into the
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embezzlement got underway well if she has connections to the account is it possible that
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an individual realized that she might hold the answers somehow and that would jeopardize this person's career and and
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maybe even freedom and that that would be a reason to get rid of kathy yes this is going to call all
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kinds of things into question here in regards to her homicide and this whole embezzlement scandal
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