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[Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] several months ago we covered the case
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of Luca magnata or as the captain would call him PCA not H and I couldn't agree more more but guess what there's a new
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book coming out that we will be recommending this week on our show True Crime garage and that book's called my
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son the Killer and this is by our friend Brian Whitney now he's also written several books that we have recommended
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before I heard that the new book was coming out so I decided to jump on the phone and give Brian a call to ask him
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all about it can you go ahead and give me the title um and I know it it just recently came
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out yeah it just came on Tuesday and the book is called my son the killer the inside story of One Lunatic one ice
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pick and this is about Luca magnata can you tell me do you remember hearing about his
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crimes um yeah I I definitely do um I I it was I definitely was interested in his crimes and I actually also um I
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ended up interviewing um for another book I did Mark Merrick who's a guy that um owns best gore
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which is where the video was initially posted um and he ended up going to jail just for posting the video so it was
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something that was on my radar um for quite a while and what did you initial reaction
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what was what did you find most shocking about his crimes once we you know everything was linked up and connected
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to him and he was finally arrested well I mean I didn't watch the video I didn't watch the video the first time
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around you know I just um I heard of the case I followed the case and so on and so forth so at the time I mean I don't
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know how shocked I was necessarily I I kind of became a little more shocked when I actually watched the uh when I
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watched the video which I kind of had to do because I was writing this book obviously I had to I had to actually
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check it out so um but the other part of him obviously is is his whole social media gig the way that he's constantly
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kind of like trying to appear in a different way than he actually appears um and I think you know but I actually
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interviewed him for this book which was also rather interesting um because even with that social media aspect he still
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kind of disavowed the whole thing oh I didn't do that and I didn't do this these are just people that are obsessed
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with me and so on and so forth so that whole vibe he has of doing these incredibly bizarre outlandish things and
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then never really um never owning them if you got what I'm trying to say how did you become involved in this project
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or this book because I know that you you have a a good history and extensive history with the several true crime
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books were you approached to do this yeah his mom his mom actually wrote a book his mom is Anna yurkin who um I I
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co-authored this with so she wrote a book and she sold it to a Canadian publisher a pretty big Canadian
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publisher and for whatever reason they decided not to put it out so then Anna went with her manuscript to uh wild blue
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press who I published a few books with but they didn't feel like it should come out as it was because it was really sort
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of like oh hey you know like LC is my son and there was a there's a lot of like stuff in there that's obviously
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very heart-wrenching and so on and so forth but they thought they needed to be sort of a journalistic approach because
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you know they kind of felt they'd get murdered no pun intended if they just put out a book like
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by Luca's mom you know it was it's not really PR Luca but it's it's it's a lot more kind to Luca than a lot of people
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would anticipate so they they got me on the project to kind of lend some sort of
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journalistic piece to it well she and forgive me if I'm wrong because I've not read the book yet it
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just came out on Tuesday that's cool so she talks a lot about his childhood and some of the abuses he may
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have suffered or um portions of his childhood that she thinks may have something to do with how he turned out
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to be an you know as an adult yes I mean there's definitely a lot of it is about his childhood um
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he she was his father was was abusive towards him then they they divorced and then his stepfather was even more
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abusive towards him he was bullied constantly in school cuz he was obviously kind of a weird kid
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um and he also this is kind of an interesting aspect of it but he's been diagnosed with schizophrenia his whole
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life now when I interview him he disavows that he's like he's like I'm not schizophrenic you know like that
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they just made that up and it's ridiculous and it's a joke and I'm completely saying but if you go back
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through his his records and his history he he's been um diagnosed with severe mental illness pretty much since he was
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like 15 years old and he and his mother their relationship became a strange at some
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point when did about did that take place well that happened after the cat videos
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um which you know what I'm talking about I assume yeah them with the vacuum going
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yeah yeah and then there was another one with a snake um and he gave him all cute little
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nam that were sort of like similar to the you know one L to there were like one boy and two kittens kind of things
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but so basically um people from her family started getting in touch with Anna and saying like there's rumors that
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Luca is responsible for these cat videos um she and he talked about it he he denied doing it but she watched the
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video and she could see that it was him so it it caused a an estrangement um between them not necessarily because she
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was like I don't ever want to talk to you again but it was so I guess uncomfortable would probably be the the
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word and he kind of disappeared for a little while after that that's interesting I didn't know that the uh
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that those two were directly connected uh you know those those videos and his mother and their strange relationship
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and yeah first go ahead the I mean just the the cruelty of those videos alone I could imagine looking at a loved one
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especially a son or daughter and going oh my godob what no well well and that's a big part of the whole book is is sort
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of like you know still loving somebody that that has done all this incredibly incredibly awful stuff and
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and the thing is too is you obviously you are very involved in the true CRI well as am I but when it comes to
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animals man I just can't even deal you know like I I couldn't I didn't watch those videos I mean I just I just don't
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want to watch them like I just I know I mean even wrote the book and I should watch him but I just don't want to watch
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him um but yeah so and then what first happened was was that he said it wasn't him and then and then she was like yeah
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that's you kind of thing and then he started going off into the Manny thing I don't know if you know what I'm talking
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about there but he has this sort of this guy Manny that he claims makes him do all this stuff and would beat him
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up and would do these things and Manny was the one he wanted to sell the cat videos on the internet and Manny forced
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him into doing it and there's never no one's ever found this Manny guy or has ever met this Manny guy but Luca when I
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talked to Luca because I talked to him on the phone and wrote him but he he still says
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oh yeah Manny people that know me know Manny and so on and so forth but so then yeah he tried to blame it on Manny and
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then he he just kind of bailed um you know for a period of months um after Manny does Manny doesn't actually do
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anything himself he forces Luca to do these things yeah I mean he was involved in theory if you read like there's a
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Watts report Jo Dr Joel Watts that that came out during the trial it was for and
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so throughout that this is in the book too but throughout that he says Manny orchestrated the whole um ice pick video
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as well um yeah but he's he's never provided enough information to lead anybody to this Manny who likely does
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not even exist no and there was all those there's all those videos you know like in court you know that showed Luca
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going in and out and in and out going in with going in with the victim and then going out with you know like carrying
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the victim's body in different suitcases and stuff and there was never another there was never another guy you know
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that that came in or out of that situation so and again no one's even ever um the interesting is about the book too
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though is that the mother you know she does think that Manny's like a real person so that's you
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know as far as I'm concerned I mean it stretches the imagination quite quite a lot wait let's back let's back up a
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second she thinks that Manny is a real person yeah I mean there's that's probably the reason when I said that
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originally about you know getting me involved in like the project there'd be certain parts of it where you know Luca
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would tell her oh this happened or that happened and and and would be like you know man Manny
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really you know he really screwed my son up here or whatever um and Manny really you know he
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did these horrible things and poor Luca because of Manny and and you know it's it's it's um universally pretty much
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accepted that there is no that there is no Manny right well well and and the interesting thing here is it's very you
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know this isn't anything that we haven't seen before you know this is very reminiscent of of Dexter with his quote
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unquote Dark Passenger that right accompanies him and assists him and directs him on killing and in a way
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though too it's very similar to the the 1980s interviews with um FBI and Ted Bundy where Ted Bundy was willing to
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talk about his crimes and some despicable things that he did but he he would talk to these FBI agents in third
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person and refer to himself as the killer you know he' never name himself or say I did this he would say the
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killer did this and the and the killer did that and it's almost a way of Luca being able to to confess but having
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someone to pass the blame to and then his mother Anna adopting that same behavior right no it's almost textbook
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in the sense of it you know at one point he um after the kitten videos he got in
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touch with a a lawyer in New York named um Romeo salta and at one point he you know he was saying Manny made me do all
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this stuff my pet is after me and everyone's after me and they're trying to catch me and but Manny made me do
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this stuff and he did a list of everything like oh Manny would punch punch me in the head Manny would make me
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eat feces Manny would he would tie me up and rape me and Manny would and this this incredible list of all this you
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know abusive stuff that Manny would do to him to make him like kill the kittens um and you know it's all when somebody's
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schizophrenic and they're they're behaving in that manner and then and then saying that and again he denies it
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he's it's really interesting when you talk to him as you might imagine cu cu he has no real effect any of this stuff
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it's just like you and I talking you know right um and you know we laugh and we tell jokes or whatever but when it
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comes to the actual stuff that he did he doesn't like talking about it like at all like he shuts right down like you
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can talk to him for the longest time or write them letters and don't answer questions about anything go off about
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anything and tell you anything about Carlo Hoka like whatever but when you get to that kind of stuff he shuts right
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down so like it's you know again it's almost textbook where like you know somebody you situation does something
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like that horrific and they they're they you know exactly they they put it on some other person oh this person forced
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me to do that like it couldn't have been me to do that um but people don't talk about the Manny aspect that much or the
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mental which is understandable because he just did something so incredibly screwed up it's hard to even get past
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that and try to figure out why you know does he still have an obsession with Carlo
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Hoka no but he claimed that's one of the things things that he claims you know the whole thing was like in theory he
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had like about 80 different like social media accounts and like he would post on
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one and be like like you know with a different name and say luuka magn is going out with KY Hoka and then like he
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post on 50 others and go wow that Lucas sure is you know so it' be like one post
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but he'd be like com commenting like 50 times like on each post if you get what I'm trying to say right so he denies all
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of that he's like you know no I didn't do that that was just a bunch of people obsessed with me that were that were
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doing that um so he doesn't even admit that he was in the first place but again he he has admitted it
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before you know right take me through the process of of whomever getting you in touch with with Luca how does how
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does that go down you I mean obviously I don't know how Canada works but here in
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the states anybody could send a letter to just about any prisoner and then you kind of you're at the mercy of the
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prison system if it actually gets to but as far as phone calls and letters and stuff how does that go right well two
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things like one he has never like given an interview to um which is interesting because he he obviously was selling to
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um people paying attention to him he's never given an interview since he's um since he's been arrested so that was
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interesting unto itself um but it was basically because of my relationship by my mom that it happened but the other
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thing is I used to um I used to work for the uh ACLU as a prisoner Advocate years
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ago so like I actually have a lot of experience like going into prisons and writing prisoners and meeting with
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meeting with prisoners inside in this particular situation it was just he's in Port cardier which is um in in Canada
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obviously um the president is named port cardier and uh they basically the social
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work he had to put me on a list say that that it was okay for him to talk to me the social
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worker um the prison called and made sure it was cool and then basically he he called me and as far as the mail goes
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I mean you can mail prisoners letters um if you work the organization needs to work for I could put legal on the letter
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and then the in theory the the prison couldn't read the letter but um you know basically they can open the letters and
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read what Lucas says and what I say if they want to they weren't open they were they were they were clean but it was
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just basically um getting in contact and then answering the phone um not too complicated really all
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right what does your gut tell you like you know it seems to me like he's uh when you talk about his crimes
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or or or want to interact with him regarding specific crimes that he committed it seems like
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he's why is he shutting down is he embarass do you think at that about I mean I don't I don't think
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so because well oh the crimes themselves sorry I misunderstood what you're saying
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yeah I think I think that might be embarrassment I also think it might be traumatic I mean the way Anna put it was
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this that she just like it's really hard for him he that he just is like talking
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about it he kind of like he kind of flips out so I mean I think when you talk to him you can be like oh what's
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prison like and he's like oh prison's fantastic and I'm doing this and I'm doing that and I'm really happy in
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prison and I get to do whatever I want if you T him about something else he's like oh yeah well I was a successful
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model and I traveled all around the world but then you go into that St and I think he
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just I mean I think he just shuts down not necessarily because this is a guess but kind of alluding to what his mother
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said I just think it's really difficult I think there places that he probably doesn't especially if you think about
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the fact that it was some sort of psychotic break and he's blaming it on another individual probably really
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difficult for him to think about what he did I would imagine it would be difficult to think about that well and
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with somebody that's obviously so so overly consumed with his personal image do you think he's embarrassed by
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his mental health issues I think so for sure yeah yeah I mean he he is very concerned with his you
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know that the letters themselves I mean it you can't ask him anything without him sort of going off on well I you know
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I don't care he puts down everybody oh the media is stupid and most people are stupid and it's very apparent that he he
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really wants to appear like a of everybody else um and so when it comes to that kind of thing I think his pride
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is too much to even admit if he testified at that trial they tried to get him off on not criminally
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responsible I mean if he testified at that trial and said some of the stuff that he actually
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said you know to the psychiatrist behind closed doors he probably would have he might have gotten off but I don't think
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he could have he claims he never wanted to do not criminally responsible he argued with his lawyer every day he
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never been mentally ill and he fought and fought and fought and the psychiatrist is stupid he I I can
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guarantee you at some point he's going to say I'm stupid you know um I mean there's no
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doubt he's gonna be Brian Whitney's just you know just because I'm saying things
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like this um he what does he say what does he say and I know he doesn't give interviews but what what would he say to
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you about his mother well his mother in here very close again now like they're they're
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come very close like she goes and visits them they they actually have units in in
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Canada at times where like she can go stay with them like in a trailer like outside of the actual prison I mean it's
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still within a gate but you know what I'm saying so so um you know they're very close I think they still are but
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I'm not sure it's weird because look he's not the first person that has murdered or
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committed a crime to become famous and I know that's really kind of simplifying his
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motivations but it's it's a weird end game to me because to get the notoriety for having committed the crime you have
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to be the crime has to be solved you know you have to be named as the perpetrator of the crime and therefore
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punished so it's it's a real weird end game for me it just doesn't really doesn't make it yeah I was thinking
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about that um I was thinking about that yesterday CU I was talking to somebody about that yesterday and uh it's
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interesting because he did he was kind of getting away with the cat thing okay and and he's it's possible that he
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thought um very it's very bizarre but it's possible that he might have thought that that there would be a whole bunch
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of people that would be like oh I bet this is Luca magn that they wouldn't be able to prove it and he would just
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continue like taunting everybody because of course he nailed the hands in the feet you know so he was all about the
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taunting um and there's a couple things too about that whole thing like one is that he
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told me that he told me that he didn't even know that he was being looked for he was like oh no I was just over and um
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I was just over in Europe just chilling out I had no idea people were even looking for me and I wasn't I wasn't
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watching the uh I wasn't watching reading stories about myself in the internet cafe I was watching AA Gardner
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movies like that's what you told me um Do You Believe do you believe that though because he he of course not right
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always gives this he gives this Persona of being too cool for school that's what
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I mean yeah yeah no I don't I don't believe it at all I mean that's what I mean like so
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he's he's like acting like oh I didn't even know they were looking for me but the thing about the video when you say
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that that kind of trips me out is at one point to me the weirdest part about it is at one point like I don't like being
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too graphic when I so I won't be CU it's it's just just bizarre stuff but at one point he
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flips the he flips the Torso over and he starts like kind of kind of like you know having sex with it but he's not
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having sex with it you know he's simulating having sex with it and how like how weird is that if you get what
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I'm trying to say like what do you what do you mean is is he using no he's still got his pants he's
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still got his pants on and it's like and like if you if you look at it it's like
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it's so you know all these people that are that are whether serial killers or spre Killers they're taken on by this
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they kill someone in some sexual manner because they so desire to do this sexual
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thing right and and Luca apparently is pretending to desire to do the sexual thing if you get what I'm saying like
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he's oh yeah yeah you know he's he's not even doing it because he's driven to do
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it he's doing it because he just wants to freak people out so badly um you know at one point he like like
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masturbated with like the hand you know and so on and so forth like all this stuff that was like the video was like
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edited you know it was like well you get what I'm saying I mean well for forgive me I I I've read like
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what I did when we covered the case was I read descriptions of what people said they saw on the video because like you I
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was like [ __ ] man for you for not watching it no good to you for not watching it because it's awful you know
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seriously the only the only imagery I've seen of that video and of the cat videos
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were still like I saw a couple Stills and yeah but but I refused to watch the video so if I'm a little out in left
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field here no no I mean I think I think you kind of should be out in left field it's like it's like in all reality like
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when I I mean I would recommend that anyone listening to this does not like watch the video you know it's like for a
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couple reasons one because you know it's is just horrific and disgusting and two
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I felt like writing it's one thing if you're doing a you know a podcast on it I felt like you know if I was writing a
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book on it I had to like watch it you know it's like just for moments like this someone would be like oh what about
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that and I was like oh I never I never saw it you know like I think that would just be you know but my point around all
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this is then without getting into details he did a lot of things that were theatrical you know it wasn't it wasn't
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a video that was just like I'm taking out all my sexual desires on this person and I'm going to videotape it for my own
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pleasure later and that's disgusting and sick and I'm not saying that's better or
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worse what I'm saying is that's fairly common what's not common in in my knowledge anyway is somebody filming
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something like this for theatrical reasons the [ __ ] with people's heads excuse my language I can't say that
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sorry the screw with people's heads it's a an adult show sorry I wasn't sure it's
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screw with people's heads and trip them out and and it's just I can't think of anything else like it honestly like you
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think about like there those videos like the the three guys of One Hammer videos
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for example those Russian guys that they did there's certain videos that they did
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that for themselves you know what I'm saying right like they never thought everyone else was gonna watch
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it um it was just for them um so it's a very that to me is the kind of the odd part of the whole thing it's
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like what was the endgame as you said before like I'm not not entirely sure that's what's
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incredibly strange about Luca is that it's in a way he identifies with other monsters like himself but in other ways
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he doesn't he he completely does not identify with them and it's like to me it's like what any normal human being
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would do they watch a watch a music video per se and go all right well I like I like so and so well I want to
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dress like them I want to dance like them I want to sing like them well in in his screwed up mind what he's doing is I
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okay well what would this killer do what would that killer do what what would I do if I were uh right you know 100% like
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this and it and it's like you said theatrical it's a put on it's a way of right right of getting people to go well
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this guy's interesting because he's so was sicking to pray that he did this yeah and no I
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agree and so for him look he we can all tell by videos that we saw of him that had nothing to do with murder but you
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can tell by the way that he I mean this dude carries himself in different ways he talks in different ways with
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different accents at different times yeah his his facial features one thing I noticed in some of his videos too it's
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almost like can contort his face in different manners to be these different versions of Luca right and he and not
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only can he do that to look that way but he can maintain that that facial uh version of himself for the entirety of
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interviews or the entirety of videos that are out there yeah it's I think for me for me I think this is something
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Beyond uh schizophrenic I I there's something else here that that doesn't either I I don't know the uh the
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terminology for it or they haven't created one yet right yeah no I agree it's it's incredibly um you know we all
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know that person you know and some of us even been that person you know in junior
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higher high school just like you just said like oh well you know I'm not as popular as I want to be so if I pretend
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to be like this or cut my hair like this or or like you know then I'll be like more popular but this guy like just he
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starts off like that you know and then just he takes it like I said even the social media thing I mean he
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had he would like put up some posts oh do you know Luca's doing this he would Photoshop like I think you're aware of
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things like this but there there would be photoshopped versions of him like in sports car or he would always be oh I'm
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in Russia doing this and there'd be or I'm in you know he would trying to create this whole thing like that he was
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this really successful model and he was dating the serial killer and he was and really he was like a like a low rent um
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male escort with some pretty bad mental illness you know and then it just kept going and going but like who would ever
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think it would it would keep going to that point and like you said I'm not really sure either
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like you know because I don't think there's ever been another case quite quite like it um when you think of
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that sort of act for that reason regarding his uh okay so a couple things here you touched on something
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that interesting earlier that if he would have been more honest than forthcoming during the course of the the
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trial or made certain statements at during court you think that he could have got off or may have been sent to a
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different facility which I think would be more likely um you know CA Canada and I forgive me I
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don't have the guy's name in front of me but Canada's Got That famous case of of
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the guy killing somebody on a Greyhound bus and eating part of his face and that
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guy oh right yeah yeah yeah that guy from my understanding they they claimed he had you know severe mental health
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issues and I believe he's out living in some neighborhood now I think you're right yeah I think I believe he only
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served like seven years or something or was locked up for seven years so where talking about had Luca said certain
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things made certain statements during the court proceedings we might be talking I mean
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his crimes are what 2011 2012 2012 was when the murder was yeah 2011 the C thing I believe yeah and so I
00:29:47
mean here we are 2018 six years later we might be sitting in the same boat with luuka
00:29:53
magnata 2020 of this guy getting released yeah and I think it's a pride thing I mean you think back to like you
00:30:01
know like maybe the hillside stranglers with like Kennis biani like he he went he bent in every single direction to
00:30:07
like convince people that he was completely crazy you know that he had multiple personalities and so on and so
00:30:13
forth and was making the whole thing up and then you have somebody like Luca I just don't think you know again I know I
00:30:18
already said this but he was that's the one thing when you T to him he's the most adamant about he was like I never
00:30:24
wanted to go in for NCR my lawyer his lawyer's name is Luke laclair he's like you know my lawyer like he we fought
00:30:29
about it every day and I refused to like I mean he yeah if he got up there and he said
00:30:36
like you know this guy Manny was telling me what to do and ever since I was 16 I
00:30:40
you know he hears voices I mean he this is what it say there's an extensive like mental health records out
00:30:47
there on him and there's been stuff you know for forever that documenting all these different psychological breaks and
00:30:55
scenarios that he went through so who knows what might happen happened but the fact that he you know fought against it
00:31:01
the whole time with his own attorney definitely probably has something to do with the the sentence that he
00:31:08
received now I know early on he was trying to well I don't know trying is the right word but he was
00:31:18
glamorizing his prison stay what what was his interaction with you regarding that you know same I was saying like
00:31:27
yeah completely like oh it's great and you know I I play Playstation he also told me he takes care of animals you
00:31:36
know like um you know that he has a great time and the guards are stupid but you know and he got married I think you
00:31:43
know too he got married to another another prisoner who also killed somebody um yeah and yeah just
00:31:52
completely glamorizes the whole thing again you he's fine everyone's stupid he he also uses a lot of interestingly
00:31:58
enough he uses a lot of trump things he says a lot about fake news and the failing media and um things of that
00:32:06
things of that uh matter um does that kind of stuff a lot what's your what's your U gut
00:32:15
telling you is he actually sitting around playing PlayStation and eating snacks and having a good old time I mean
00:32:23
there's no way anybody could I mean you know again I used to go into prisons and there were some guys
00:32:29
who'd kind of make their home there and they'd be okay but I mean just when you look at his when you look at his
00:32:35
history you know I mean it's sort of like if you got a boyfriend that cheats on you constantly and they just keep
00:32:41
cheating on you and they keep telling you they're not going to cheat on you and they're probably still cheating on
00:32:45
you so based on his history of him constantly just trying to present himself as doing so much better and being so
00:32:52
much cooler than he actually is I would assume that he's doing the same thing now um because he certainly hasn't
00:32:59
changed his his attitude about anything um and in his mind he never really quite
00:33:07
says even about the I didn't say this but even about the the incident he still says all I'm going to say about this is
00:33:13
a lot of other things that people don't know about that there are other people there and there are different situations
00:33:17
but in his mind like everything else like everything else I've been saying about him then L about about the kitten
00:33:23
videos about um all the different social media accounts it's all it's all just because people are obsessed with him and
00:33:29
they can't stop talking about him you know it's it's all lies made up by people that are haters and wannabes and
00:33:36
so on and so forth so he did interviews with you do you think that that was a um
00:33:44
you think that he did the interviews with you because he knew that his mom was speaking with you and this book was
00:33:49
coming out no matter what that was spin it spin it I I think that might have been why
00:33:56
but also what I did in the book um is that I didn't as far as his quotes I did one chapter that was just
00:34:03
completely an interview with Luca and then I just kind of put his quotes in through the rest of the book so I didn't
00:34:08
really editorialize on his quotes at all I just um I just put his actual um I just put his actual quotes in there and
00:34:16
he's he also like you know he he says things sort of like um there was one that he that he said I
00:34:23
remember that he was like the lies that people tell would separate me from the rest of the world world you know it's
00:34:29
that kind of thing like so with him it's like um you know everybody else is lying and he's um and he's telling the
00:34:38
truth um and that's kind of the thread that goes throughout uh the whole interview is that is that
00:34:47
everything has just been presented you know like almost like this all just happened to him by accident you
00:34:53
know that that he didn't really have a role in any of it does he still claim to have fans or or
00:35:00
does he believe that he has a following oh he does I mean I mean people you know
00:35:07
I've written a few books before and I've already I've gotten so many different odd emails already from people people
00:35:14
people being like well why' you say that about Luca and why'd you do this and that's not really what happened with
00:35:19
Luca and I know what happened with Luca and um you know he there are people out there that that are um I'm sure he still
00:35:28
gets his letters and so on and so forth I don't think his his fans so to speak I
00:35:33
mean they're probably pretty few but he definitely he definitely has people that
00:35:38
are still kind of obsessed with him I would say for whatever reason well I'm going to pick up the
00:35:44
book why don't you tell me where's the where's the best place to pick up the new book it's published by wild blue
00:35:51
press um you can find it on their website you can also find it on Amazon Barnes & Noble basically wherever you um
00:35:57
wherever you get your books online perfect well Brian it's good talking with you as always and I look
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forward to your next project I always a pleasure man I really appreciate it yep have a great day you too man take care
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