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enough of the business all right everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true
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[Music] crime [Music] have the police shared with you any of their theories on what
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happened no they haven't and we have an agreement with them from the outset that
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um all that information uh would be kept to the law enforcement um for two reasons one they don't want to
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compromise the search and two they don't want to endanger Molly yeah I know that
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you have your own Theory and I know it's speculation but your intuition has told
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you that you believe she's with someone she knows can you just expound on that and why you think
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that well I I do want to point out that it really is just speculation on a a father 's part that has lots of time and
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Imagination and I'm looking for a logical way to bring Molly home and so it's just that and I think it's taken on
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a little bit of a life of its own the last couple days but um it isn't inconceivable that Molly left with
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someone that she [Music] knows well good morning to you Captain good morning thank you well we had every
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intention of discussing The Disappearance of Molly Tibbits from Brooklyn Iowa this morning she's been
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gone for almost five weeks now but as we sit here in the garage there has been breaking news in this case her body has
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been found of course that is not the outcome that anybody wanted but it is something now Our intention this week
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week was to bring light to her disappearance to bring light to the case and hopefully get the answers that the
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family wants and needs so I think what we do going forward is we continue with the information that we've collected
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over the last week go through that and see where this will take the investigation now we occasionally cover
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fresh cases like this one in 2017 we covered the deli murders uh just several weeks into the investigation and there
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was a lot of speculating that we had to engage in pulling together accurate complete information in open Active
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cases is a real challenge for one thing there is all kinds of misinformation out
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there uh Molly tibet's case has received a ton of national media attention and unfortunately often the media reports
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things wrong in a rush to get a scoop or reports information prematurely before it has been debunked or dismissed to
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further complicate matters in an open investigation investigators do not release all or even most of the
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information that they have in some cases they even engage and encourage the spread of wrong or misleading
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information as part of a strategy to help them solve the case all of these things Captain Force us to try to read
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between the lines of public statements the investigation is very active and our original goal was to generate some tips
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in the case of her disappearance to lead to finding Molly but now that we know that she has been found and she's dead
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we hope to continue the investigation to find the perpetrator of her murder and I
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just want to personally thank everybody that sent for the last probably four weeks uh emails asking us to cover this
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case Molly Tibbits was a 20-year-old student at the University of Iowa studying psychology her parents are
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divorced her mom M Laura Calderwood lives in Brooklyn Iowa a tiny rural town of just 1,400 people along Interstate 80
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Molly's dad Rob Tibbits lives in the San Francisco Bay Area Molly was born in San
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Fran Molly has two brothers older brother Jake and younger brother Scott Molly at high school she met her
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boyfriend Dalton Jack who was a senior when she was a junior at the time of her disappearance they had been together for
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more than 2 years Jack did not go to college with Molly in Iowa City instead he went into the family business along
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with his brother working construction Dalton and his brother Blake lived together in a house in Brooklyn along
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with Blake's fiance Amy hton and Molly was an avid Runner she was very athletic probably 52 to 53 in height yeah she was
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about 120 lbs she had long dark hair brown eyes and wore glasses or contacts and she was very close with um her
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brothers specifically her brother Jake with whom she even shared a vehicle with he also attended the University of Iowa
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the vehicle that they shared was a silver Pontiac G6 on the 18th of July which was a
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Wednesday Molly was staying at the home of her boyfriend's house you know so this is her boyfriend's house along with
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his brother and his brother's fiance yeah Amy the fiance is actually the owner of the house now the house has
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been described as quote on the edge of town it's a large property it has a large corn field on this property and
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then there are other fields near the property and I think Captain the description of quote on the edge of town
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could not be more accurate I mean a quick Google search of this thing looking this up on maps uh it is very
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much that you see the town just to the east of it and near this home and if you go continue West it just gets more and
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more country road as you go and have you seen a picture of this house uh I have seen just the maps just the Google Maps
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it's very very well put together very clean very it's very adorable actually like it's just like when you see it you
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just it's like a perfect Little American house now on the evening of the 18th Molly was to be staying at this home I
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guess over the course of the summer Molly moved back and forth between this home which is located on West de Mo
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Street and her mother's home which is nearby on Bay on be Drive sorry when staying at Dalton's Molly would often go
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to her mom's house for dinner to have dinner with her mom and her brothers yeah part of the confusion about some of
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this case and what items Andor clothing may be missing in this case stems from the fact that according to Molly's mom
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she kept some of her belongings at Dalton's home and she kept some of her belongings at her mom's home yeah it's
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been reported several ways like when they got back when she got back from college that she quote unquote moved in
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with her boyfriend but it seems like it was it was kind of like shared time between the boyfriend's house and the
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mother's house this is complete speculation here Captain but I I did put a little bit of thought into this and I
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think it might clear up some of that confusion just keep in mind she would have only needed a place to stay for the
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summer right and her mom lives nearby I get the impression that her boyfriend traveled from time to time for work you
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know he would be sent off to job sites that might be a good enough distance away that he should just stay overnight
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for several nights right well then it might be a little weird to kind of just stay there with your boyfriend's brother
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or your boy you know your boyfriend's soon Tobe sister-in-law well but she was really good friends with the boyfriend's
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brother or the brother's uh fiance yeah and the way that I kind of get this to me is that most likely when her
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boyfriend was in town she probably stayed at the boyfriend's house when the boyfriend's out of town due to work
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probably stays at Mom's something as simple as that we've all done something similar to that on this day on the 18th
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Molly was supposed to stay at the boyfriend's house to dogit Blake and Amy's two dogs uh so her boyfriend
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Dalton was away on work approximately 120 mil away he left around 4:30 Tuesday morning on the 17th and was scheduled to
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return on that Friday Blake and Amy were in Ames Iowa at the time apparently Amy
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was working or is working in Ames this summer and Blake was there visiting her there is a report that Blake was going
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only for one night Molly went to work on the day of the 18th we know this because
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she was videoed by a friend at work they were goofing around the first piece of information that we have about her
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whereabouts on that evening of the 18th is from her brother Jake who dropped her
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off at the uh at Dalton's house where she was dog sitting right he has told police that this was right around 5:30
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p.m. presumably Molly was just getting off work and since she and Jake shared a car he gave her a ride have you seen
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this video of her at work I did not I mean the when you're diving into a case and trying to shed light and you're
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trying to figure out who this individual is um it's a very small snapshot but it's just you can just see her
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personality and you can see how I mean she's just kind of being goofy um but there but a lot of people are goofy and
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and it's actually not that funny but she was actually quite funny she likely would have come into the house and first
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thing probably released the dogs apparently they were kept in the basement when nobody was home after this
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this is when the timeline gets very fuzzy so what we have heard is that she and Dalton did a little Snapchatting
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back and forth and that she was texting her mom about dinner it seems like the majority of the
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conversations that she' have uh with her boyfriend and I think friends and family
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would be through text or SnapChat or some kind of social media form one of the things confusing the timeline is
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that it seems that maybe Molly was considering going to dinner at her mom's but did not show up according to her
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mother the last time that she she talked to Molly via text Molly asked what's for
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dinner Laura responded BRZ Molly's response was a non-committal okay at some point after this exchange Molly set
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out on a run apparently she prefers to run for about 45 minutes a day several days a week right and her family said
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that Molly preferred to run in the evenings in summer before the sun went down you know it's a little cooler out
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at that time right she has running routes that she prefers although she would vary them a little day by day she
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would always run with her iPhone it's a gold iPhone 7S and an arm holster uh her
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Wireless White earbuds and her Fitbit which she wore apparently all the time yeah one of the few facts that seems to
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be Undisputed is that she did go out for a run she was seen by several people these Witnesses reported that they saw
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her wearing in in the Iowa division of criminal investigations seems to have accepted this description as they later
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made it public and this description reads her last known articles of clothing is believed to be dark colored
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running shorts a pink Sports top and running shoes color unknown the time frame for this run is thought to be
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around 7:30 p.m. meaning she started the run around 7:30 p.m. right I do want to
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be clear here captain because I did see several other reports and and if this can help in any way we want to make sure
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we put out all the information the Iowa division of criminal investigation released that
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statement okay dark colored running shorts a pink Sports top and running shoes color unknown the other reports
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that I read state that it could have been a red sports top or a dark colored or black sports top so just in all all
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fairness we need to put that out there The Daily Mail report reported that um a witness who reported seeing Molly around
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7:30 was a neighbor this is Nate Hopwood he saw Molly jogging on West persing Drive not too far from the Jack home
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from her boyfriend's home right another Brooklyn Man Has Come forward who says that he saw someone who he believes was
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Molly jogging by his house that night sometime between 8 and 9 p.m. I read that Twilight that night was around 8:47
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p.m. this man Devin Riley told authorities that he had seen this same girl running past his home regularly his
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address is 317 East 2 Street he told the media that after should we be giving out
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his address well there if you look up uh Molly Tibbits and you look up this case
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okay it'll come up yeah well it it brings up a pretty precise map of the possible running route that is believed
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that she took okay you can find any of these addresses on here this is also things that I didn't drive through the
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town asking questions these things were found in simple um internet searches and
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in local newspapers well like you said earlier it's a town of under 1500 individuals so You' assume that almost
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everybody knows everybody yeah and he told the authorities that he had seen this same girl it seems to me like he
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doesn't know her by sight because he's just saying hey I've seen somebody that looks like her or this
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same girl possibly running regularly past my home well she has been at college so and so he would only be
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seeing her running that route over the summer as well so after this gentleman reported the potential sighting to the
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authorities the authorities did do a walkr of his home which he told the media lasted for just about 10 or 15
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minutes yeah it's I was kind of joking about this with one of my buddies is because the guy that
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saw one of the guys that saw her one of the eyewitnesses he he comes off like oh
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that guy could be a suspect mhm but then I was explaining to my buddy that anybody um one the first thing is this
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guy came forward later and said hey I saw her running and so giving information to the police is is a very
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good thing but then also being willing to say hey come into my house yeah and it and so it'd be hard look you've been
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in front of some cameras sometimes you don't know how you're coming off and I think he does come off a little weird
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and I know a lot of people initially was like hey you need to check this guy out
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but uh but mind you news reporters are coming to his house after he's reporting a missing girl and he's just giving an
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interview you know well and here's the thing too he's doing what we ask everyone to do in this situation if you
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think you saw something say something report it and he's he's even if he gets nervous in front of the cameras or even
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if he gets nervous in front of law enforcement doesn't technically mean that he's guilty of anything he's doing
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what we've asked please come forward with any information at all and then by the way the way that this works I'm sure
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that it was as simple as this police say would you mind if we take a look around
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your house for a few minutes and he goes sure come on in right you know so that's
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as much as you can really do being somebody that maybe saw something of importance that was just going about
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their regular day living their regular life yeah yeah I'm going point to my friend was just you just don't know how
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you're going to come across and I think initially a lot of people thought hey this guy needs to be checked out he was
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checked out finally a person came forward and said that he may have seen Molly that night through his living room
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window as he was watching TV he says the woman that he saw was walking not running and he is at 64 Jackson Street
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this is Roger Thompson he said he is quote almost certain that it was Molly that he saw any or all of these
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eyewitness sightings though we have to question if they are accurate these are people that are calling with information
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trying to help but if she's an avid Runner like you said running several days a week did they get the the date
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right right was the times right and was the runner that they saw even in fact Molly so that's pretty much all we know
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about that night and until the next morning when people are going to be texting her boyfriend is going to be
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texting her her mother's going to be texting her and she's not going to be replying to anybody and she also misses
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work and this is going to throw up some big red flags yeah it will the red flags
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will start Thursday morning on the 19th around 7:30 a.m. her brother Jake texted
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Molly to see if she needed a ride to work she didn't respond remember remember they shared a vehicle so I
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would imagine this is common communication between the two of them right according to her boyfriend Dalton
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he text her a good morning early that day but received no response Molly was supposed to report to work at 8:00 a.m.
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but never made it there her work was about 15 miles away Dalton texted her again around lunchtime just to say hi he
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said later he didn't in a later interview he said he didn't at the time really become alarm Med until her friend
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from her work called him looking for Molly right work had called her phone apparently but it was going to voicemail
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the friend told Dalton that Molly had not called in and had not shown up to work Dalton checked his phone at this
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time and noted that Molly had never even opened any of the messages that he had sent her so this is sometime around
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early afternoon on the 19th he called Molly again and again and again and it always went straight to voicemail and I
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don't think we have the information on when his last messages were sent to her no like if did he send messages at 7 uh
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p.m. and they weren't open or did he send them at 6:00 p.m. and they weren't open I don't think we have that
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information no not times I'm going off at his words and his were words were I sent her uh a message in the morning and
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then another one again around lunchtime but those weren't checked but I'm saying
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were all of his messages the night before checked that's a great question Captain because what we know from
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Dalton's words is that he checked all of the messages that Molly had sent to him
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on that night right what we don't know is what he sent her and if all of it or any of it was checked which might help
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us pinpoint a more accurate time of when trouble started happening so soon in the
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afternoon on the 19th this is when family members and her boyfriend Dalton they were calling all family and friends
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looking for Molly Molly's mom Laura called the police around 5:15 p.m. and reported her missing according to Dalton
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he started rushing home when the sheriff's department showed up at the house they found the door unlocked and
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seemingly nothing Disturbed the dogs according to Dalton were found in the basement when he arrived at the house
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remember the basement was where the dogs were usually kept when no one was home yeah some Reports say that the basement
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door was locked but this is not confirmed according to Dalton there was no sign that either of the dogs had
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fought with an intruder or had been distressed or agitated in any way just to be perfectly clear though there are
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reports out there it's a bit confusing as to whom arrived at the home first there are reports that state that Dalton
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arrived first there are reports that state that law enforcement arrived at the home
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mates the police investigat ation they started investigating pretty much right away they talked to Molly's family and
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friends and determined quickly that this was not consistent at all with any of her past Behavior searches were
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conducted by air they use helicopters in small planes and even drones were used on land they searched with canines and
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200 volunteers we have an issue here though Captain because the town of Brooklyn is
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surrounded by tall tightly packed Acres of 8 to 9t tall cornfields which you can
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imagine is extremely extremely difficult to search Blake Jack told the media that
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investigators and scent dogs had searched the property quote a bunch of times Sheriff kgal told the media that
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he was confident that every home Farm barn and shed in Brooklyn had been searched Molly's family in the week or
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so that following her disappearance they continued to try to call and text her but her phone went straight to voicemail
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the FBI joined the case around July 24th I believe sending a large number of agents to assist in the investigation
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particularly because of the technical nature of much of the evidence or potential evidence on the Tuesday after
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Molly went missing the sheriff's department held a press conference on the local ABC News affiliate Sheriff Tom
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kgal said he was concerned that it was an abduction he said his Department had a reasonable timeline that Molly was out
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jogging around 7:30 7:45 but they did not know anything later than that he said that his Department had cleared
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Dalton Jack as a suspect we don't know what they base this on but the sheriff's department must know something we don't
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well like we stated before though he was roughly over 120 miles away uh I also believe at this point they cleared the
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father because he was living in San Francisco and I think they could tell that he was um in California when she
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went missing I also believe at this point they also cleared both of the brothers mhm not sure why but they they
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did clear clear them so in regards to all of these people even more specifically Dalton the boyfriend what
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I'm assuming here you know as we stated they must know things we don't but I'm assuming here with Dalton that his Alibi
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he was in debuk Iowa as you said 120 mil away yeah this Alibi must have been checked and rechecked it could have been
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that he has an alibi based off of hotel room or video records eyewitnesses or even some form of electronic tracking
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right but whatever police are relying on The Alibi for Dalton seems to be airtight same as we would have to guess
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with her father and with the brothers right and this probably includes Dalton's brother as well yeah and again
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anytime you have a missing person case that there is some reason to believe that possibly that Molly would take off
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on her own but I think this video footage um the day before she went missing shows Molly was very happy and
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and I think with her family and friends knowing her this is not an option this is option we
00:31:04
can take off the table her father actually believed and this was just a gut feeling and you heard this in the
00:31:11
trailer that that somebody that she knew took her so we have a situation where law enforcement is saying that she was
00:31:20
abducted by somebody they're not leading you to believe whether she knew the person or not and and then the father's
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coming out saying his gut feeling is that the person knew her or she knew the person some other information that we
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learn regarding that press conference um is that sheriff kgal he did say that he believed that the
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Snapchat opened by Dalton around 1 p.m. on the day that she is believed to have gone missing was in fact sent that day
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but that's all he would say about that right now the reason why this is so interesting about this SnapChat remember
00:32:00
we said that he that the Molly and Dalton would often communicate via Snapchat so this SnapChat was opened up
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at 10 p.m. by Dalton the reason why Dalton brings this up to law enforcement is he says hey look there's a theory
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that she was out there jogging and was abducted while she was jogging this SnapChat shows her to be indoors right
00:32:23
and this was sent to me I opened up at 10 p.m. the problem is we the public we don't know when that Snapchat was sent
00:32:30
she could have sent that took that that Snapchat sent it before she even went out jogging that night right I'm sure
00:32:38
that is a big piece of information though for police as they might be able to identify whose home she was standing
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in or what building she was in when that was created and this puts us you know we're in a fascinating time because what
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we do know is that she had communication through text messages Communications through social media platforms we also
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know that she wore a Fitbit all the time she was wearing the Fitbit on her run she's wearing her cell phone on the run
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so therefore we know that these pieces of Technology might lead to actual evidence later and we also hear that
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again in this press conference this is where the sheriff confirmed that the investigators believed that they would
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be able to take useful information from the Fitbit data which they had been able
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to obain obtain but they would not discuss that further obviously and should not uh in this press conference
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he also stated that they had collected video footage from all of the stores along Molly's regular running routes as
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well as any private citizens who might have had surveillance cameras on July 31st the Associated Press reported that
00:33:52
it had interviewed a neighbor of jacks uh this is Dave colum he told the AP the following he had been interviewed by
00:34:02
investigators they had told him data from Molly's Fitbit showed she jogged past his home on that evening the the
00:34:10
evening in question right he told the AP what while he had indeed seen Molly on previous runs and was a regular at
00:34:21
church with her and her family so he could easily identify her he could easily spot her yeah uh he had not seen
00:34:28
her run by his home on the 18th Dave also said investigators told him Molly was doing homework on her computer later
00:34:37
that evening now this is interesting why would investigators tell this guy this information if it were in fact true when
00:34:44
they claim that they are they're trying to keep everything close to the vest right and but it's a spawn town so so
00:34:53
you also run into a situation where yes the police are keeping things close to their chest but sometimes police
00:34:59
officers law enforcement have people that they have to you know get some of this off their chess if that makes any
00:35:06
sense at all well if it's in fact true you know we're talking about at the time law enforcement kind of refusing to
00:35:13
elaborate on the timeline that they had claimed that they had established now reasons for this information if in fact
00:35:21
now we're going off of if this Dave colum guy is telling the truth right he could have gotten confused during the
00:35:27
course of the interview or or again like we said when people spotted her running
00:35:33
he could be confused on what day she was out doing her homework MH you know what
00:35:38
I mean like but but according to his claims was that night that that later that night they had police had evidence
00:35:45
that suggested she was at home working on homework at some point no I understand that but I'm just saying that
00:35:50
he could be confused and it was the night before I just wonder why if in fact they did tell him this information
00:35:57
what was the strategy there you know was it to plant this in the Public's mind perhaps to manipulate the investigation
00:36:03
some way or were they did they want to give this information to Dave just to see what he would do with it right you
00:36:11
know uh they had to suspect that he would probably tell somebody about this the interesting thing though is that
00:36:17
Dave shares a last name with Morgan colum who we know to be Molly's cousin so if Dave is potentially related or
00:36:28
somehow related to the tibet's family then maybe law enforcement told him this something that they didn't share
00:36:34
publicly because he was in fact related or is he a suspect at that time when you're sitting down talking with him are
00:36:42
you saying you you know what we we do have some information that she was in this area right we don't know what
00:36:47
happened after that let's throw some possible scenarios out there to see what he how he reacts to it and law
00:36:55
enforcement is doing a really good job job of keeping things close to the vest but I'm sure they're sharing more things
00:37:00
with the family than they have shared with the media and then the family's do been doing a good job of keeping
00:37:06
information uh that they need to hold back back yes but we did hear this from Laura from Molly's mother early in the
00:37:15
investigation she had said that a quick look at internet history on Molly's laptop after it was retrieved from the
00:37:23
Jack's house suggested that Molly had been working on a homework assignment for her Roman civilization class now the
00:37:32
family told a local TV news show that they had been told this by authorities that M that Molly appeared to have been
00:37:40
working on her computer later in the evening on the 18th however this was an early Theory we need to keep that in
00:37:47
mind this was an early Theory and Laura would later warn us warn the public that
00:37:53
it is unclear exactly when the laptop was used that evening and cautioned against anyone drawing any firm
00:38:02
conclusions from that information right this is very confusing when I was looking it up because to me if she's
00:38:10
abducted when she's outrunning to me that points more so towards somebody that she possibly doesn't know and then
00:38:19
if she's abducted from that house that some individual would have to know that she was that home by herself um yes or
00:38:30
out running by herself with no one to account for her for several hours after she would return from that run well
00:38:38
during this search we're going to find an item and it's not really clear if it's Molly's or if it's not Molly's this
00:38:44
has been a weird thing here captain and it started off very weird and maybe it's
00:38:50
just not been cleared up so on July 27th The Washington Post reported that authorities said Molly may have been
00:38:58
wearing denim shorts and a red t-shirt when she disappeared now this is completely a complete different
00:39:05
description than what we were told before right apparently but hold on that goes back to the idea of did she make it
00:39:14
back home yeah it goes It goes back to we don't know when she if she was abducted we don't know when she was
00:39:19
abducted right and the thing here with this red shirt the the reason why it could be significant is it is believed
00:39:27
and actually I think there's good amount of proof that she did own a red shirt now was it this one that was later found
00:39:33
we don't know let's talk about this so Molly was issued by the summer camp that she worked for a red t-shirt possibly
00:39:41
multiples of the same t-shirt some reports said that she would have wore that red shirt for a field trip that was
00:39:50
scheduled for the 19th yeah everybody's going to wear these red shirts right so it's easy for the the kids or whoever's
00:39:57
on this uh trip to identify the people that they're with right reports surfaced in early August that a red shirt similar
00:40:06
to the one Molly had owned for work had been found in a ditch by someone mowing grass near the Lincoln Wildlife Area
00:40:15
this is about 15 minutes away from Brooklyn by car this report which has absolutely never been confirmed it
00:40:23
provoked a frenzy of speculation of course what if the whole timeline was different What If Molly had been
00:40:31
abducted on the morning maybe even the morning of the 19th when she was preparing to leave for work right then
00:40:38
she would have been wearing the red shirt or believed to have been wearing this red shirt we have Kevin Winkler of
00:40:44
the Iowa Department of Public Safety he told a press conference that he had quote no information to confirm that
00:40:53
anything belonging to Molly had been found in other words this would include the red shirt the red shirt in the ditch
00:41:00
had not been linked to Molly as far as they were concerned yeah but this is where the red shirt gets a little more
00:41:07
strange is that it's found close to this pig farm and this pig farmer he's kind of a odd dude I think that's like the
00:41:18
requirement to be a pig farmer no a dude I I actually uh I'm joking I'm jok used
00:41:23
to teach a guy that was a pig farmer and he was one of the most standup guys I've
00:41:27
ever met um just you know a gem like the cut of his jib shout out to the farmers
00:41:34
you are the backbone of America the okay so this takes place captain in Late July
00:41:41
investigators are conducting there's a very key word here in this sentence a targeted search of a former hog farm
00:41:49
yeah targeted search of a former hog farm and question the previous owner now this is convicted stalker Wayne Cheney
00:41:58
he's 56 years old I don't know if he's actually convicted I think he was brought to trial I heard seven times but
00:42:06
every time the it was dropped do you want to go through his uh you want to do a whole a little little rap sheet
00:42:14
rundown of Mr channy let me know what he was actually charged with okay I mean that's what I heard in the the news
00:42:20
multiple times was he was charged seven times but every time it was brought to court it was dismissed well no you're
00:42:26
you those that statement is pretty accurate okay okay he has been charged with a lot he hasn't been convicted of
00:42:34
as many things as he's been charged with a lot of his charges as you stated were
00:42:39
dismissed at some point but according to Iowa court records um he has a bunch of convictions
00:42:49
things that he would plead guilty to or was found guilty of so he has been found
00:42:55
guilty of harassment in the second degree in 2009 contempt violation of no contact or protective order in 2010
00:43:02
criminal trespassing in 1996 harassment by Communication in 1996 harassment in the first degree in 2009 interference
00:43:10
with official acts in 2009 improper use of media in 2015 I don't know what that what that charge means improper use of
00:43:19
media uh that's podcasting yeah um stalking violation of protect protection of order found guilty
00:43:27
in 2014 and contempt violation of no contact or protective order in 2011 right so this guy seems creepy but
00:43:37
you know mind you we have no reports that Molly claims that she's being stocked well we also have no evidence
00:43:44
that the two would have known each other for any reason at all um so but just to
00:43:49
go back to what you had brought up Captain you are absolutely right I know I just read down a whole bunch of stuff
00:43:55
here but he had has in fact been charged with a lot of stuff that was dismissed and I don't have the particulars of why
00:44:01
that was dismissed sometimes people are being charged with something and they're
00:44:04
just straight up innocent right um these protective all we see constantly this violation of protection order from my
00:44:13
understanding he's had some nasty breakups with girlfriends and I think that he is uh maybe not handled himself
00:44:21
in the most gentlemanly way when breaking up with a girlfriend these violations though can be tricky and to
00:44:29
be honest with you if you want to watch about five episodes of the TV show Cops you'll figure out why this charge and
00:44:35
conviction is tricky to try to figure out what that may mean but as the captain was stating that red shirt was
00:44:42
found about a mile from that home now Cheney lived in a trailer home about 500 yard from that farm which he had sold to
00:44:51
a large conglomerate a few years before the farm is located at 2161 47th I'm sorry 470th Avenue in Deep River which
00:45:03
is about 15 miles from Brooklyn it is routinely referred to in the press as quote pig farm and Cheney is as quote
00:45:12
the hog farmer but neither is actually accurate the farm was apparently no longer a producer of hogs and Cheney was
00:45:19
not working there any longer and had not owned it for a few years well that would
00:45:24
leave him with a long of time on his hands um the other weird thing here though was I think law enforcement
00:45:31
questioned him at least five times and uh they asked him to take a polygraph uh he he refused and then once that got
00:45:40
into the media um I think the heat got turned up on him a lot and he ended up agreeing to take a polygraph and from
00:45:49
the reports I found that he actually passed the polygraph well the other thing too is the rumors that came up
00:45:55
about once it was made public that they were talking to this guy looking at the farm area and asked about the polygraph
00:46:02
was the rumors were that they were searching him that it was a targeted search because that they had possibly
00:46:09
law enforcement had possibly found information on mol's Fitbit to lead them to this area or had found the Fitbit
00:46:16
itself now both of those that's just speculation and and probably not accurate well but law enforcement could
00:46:25
be L on the idea that he passed the polygraph test we don't know I mean if they have this information that the
00:46:31
Fitbit took them to that location I mean this is your Prime Suspect then but we don't know what they're holding back the
00:46:40
the in interview that I found from Fox News chenny he he appeared to be very nervous he was anxious he was fidgeting
00:46:48
um but he made a statement that I hated was at one point they said uh so law enforcement has question you multiple
00:46:57
times he goes yeah they're just wasting my time like well sorry to waste your time dick knows but we got a missing
00:47:05
girl here I mean like she's a little more important than your precious time dick knows he also said in the uh
00:47:14
interview that the FBI had questioned him for about two hours but he couldn't remember what they had asked him they
00:47:21
couldn't he couldn't remember specific questions um regarding the detector test or the polygraph I should say the
00:47:29
information I found he had stated was that he did not know the results of that test to be clear as far as I could find
00:47:39
as of this morning he's not technically been named a person of interest in this case although there must be something or
00:47:45
some reason for them to have questioned him so many times and searched his former property now we do know that they
00:47:53
searched his trailer they searched garage and portions of that quote unquote pig farm well to be fair to
00:48:02
captain dicknose pig farmer there's some other suspects that the media has been talking about well
00:48:10
two other men were were looked at into that we know of there could be many more but the two that are on the radar so to
00:48:17
speak was uh stemming first from stemming from a situation in early August when police and debuk this is a
00:48:25
town on Iowa's border the border with Wisconsin in Illinois they arrested a man accused of assaulting a jogger
00:48:33
assistant police chief Jeremy Jensen told Fox News The Jogger had stated to investigators she was running near the
00:48:41
city's fire station on July 29th when she was approached by a man who had offered her flowers and then tried to
00:48:49
grab her the debuk police department statement about the incident read the male sub subject later identified as
00:48:57
Greg langel age 22 of debuk grabbed the female victim's arm when she refused to give him her phone number she was able
00:49:06
to pull her arm away and kicked langel when he tried to grab her again the department said they tracked a
00:49:14
suspicious vehicle observed by traffic cameras in the area of the reported assault back to this individual he has
00:49:23
been charged with assault and was taken into custody as of now the case currently has no ties to Molly's
00:49:30
disappearance that we know of we don't know whether langel had been targeted had targeted this jogger specifically
00:49:37
that they knew each other although the flowers either that's just super weird or it would seem to me to indicate more
00:49:45
of a specific interest in this individual yeah maybe or he's just a complete creep and he decided that oh I
00:49:53
got some flowers and here's this jogger and hey you want some flowers oh you don't want flowers from a
00:50:01
stranger you know let me grab your arm I mean I don't know well the other incidents took a place in Pella which is
00:50:09
an hour's Drive Away From Brooklyn Police took a man in for questioning on July 31st after he was captured on
00:50:16
surveillance footage taking pictures of female joggers the man turned himself into authorities when he heard that they
00:50:23
were looking for him pel police chief Robert binsky told whv that the man quote as convert as he possibly could
00:50:34
took photos of the female joggers unbeknownst to them it seemed to be very creepy and quote now we should be we got
00:50:45
to we got to make sure that we State this here this man did come forward they said hey we're looking for you he comes
00:50:51
forward he says I was the guy taking the pictures of the joggers law enforcement
00:50:56
impella comes out later and says hey we've spoke to the man he told us why he was taking the pictures we're not
00:51:02
releasing that information but we want to make you make it aware we have not charged him with anything and it's not
00:51:09
illegal to be in a public place and take pictures so this man's not been charged
00:51:15
with anything should be if he just going to drive around and take pictures of people
00:51:21
without them knowing well but again he he explained why he was taking the pictures we don't know what was
00:51:28
explained to law enforcement Now by July 28th a reward amount skyrocketed to over
00:51:37
$300,000 now a tactic that we have seen before Captain the parents declared that
00:51:43
the award would be available even to the abductor her parents also started a Facebook group dedicated to the case now
00:51:52
there were believed to be some sightings of Molly while she was still missing one
00:51:57
included a sighting at a truck stop in Kansas City Missouri information I found Captain while it was huge speculation at
00:52:06
the time and and widely regarded by the public that hey Molly could still be alive she could still be out there she
00:52:13
was cited at this truck stop we had her family that came out and said look if she was abducted she would have been
00:52:20
fighting this individual there she wouldn't have been sitting there so you know willing to be there right or just
00:52:27
unless she knew the person correct and the information that I found Captain says that it turned out that it's
00:52:34
believed that that sighting is not accurate that that was not her that was cited on that day and this was this was
00:52:41
like the sighting hurt around the world because it was the number one trending thing on Facebook that day yeah and then
00:52:49
on August 5th another incident we have a body of a white woman was found who appeared to be in her mid-20s turned up
00:52:58
in Lee County which is an hour's Drive Southeast of Brooklyn Iowa yeah this turned out to be Sadie alvaredo aged 20
00:53:08
and a 20 year a 28-year-old man her boyfriend believed to be her boyfriend has been charged with her death and like
00:53:14
I said earlier I mean I I received personally hundreds of people asking us to cover this case to shine light on the
00:53:22
on her disappearance and now the day that we decide to record the episode and release it to the world they have now
00:53:31
found our body uh it's been a pretty uh tough day yes and our hearts and our thoughts go out to Molly's family and
00:53:48
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