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everybody gather around grab a chair grab a beer let's talk some true CME at least seven women stabbed and
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murdered a series of murders in the Connecticut River Valley you suspect it was the work of a
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serial killer all were stabbed multiple times times that's I'm here to look for results to have results to give those
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families an answer when we left off yesterday Captain we had gone through all of the
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victims the ones that are believed to be connected to this Connecticut River Valley killer and the ones that are
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debatable we went into some of the evidence we went into the great debate of if in fact one individual is
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responsible for for all of these murders or do we have a situation where we may have a couple people that are involved
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in some of these homicides here working unrelated to one another and one thing that's troubling when we start to look
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at suspects in any of these types of cases we start to see a weird pattern that there's a lot of bad dudes that
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seem to be in one area during the course of just a handful of years and that's always terrifying to learn so we'll go
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through the suspects that have been listed or named throughout the years in connection to the Connecticut River
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Valley killer one suspect was Christopher Wilder now this is a known serial killer he killed in the area but
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not he's not likely in my opinion to have been the river valley killer we know that he abducted and raped at least
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12 young women and girls he tortured some of them and killed at least eight of his victims but this took place all
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within a short six- week time period when he went off the rails and he went on this cross country crime spree in the
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United States in early 1984 so his series of murders began in Florida on February 26 1984 and then
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continued across the country through Texas Oklahoma Colorado Nevada and California and he
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had attempted abductions in Washington state and New York State before he was eventually tracked down and killed
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during a struggle with police in New Hampshire now he's killed by police in New Hampshire on April 13th 1984 so when
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you just factor in those dates now there there are people that suspect that he may have killed before he went on this
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six weeks the six- week long crime spree that led to many other victims he's not
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in the New Hampshire area until he's Tracked Down by police when he's killed there in 1984 that also means that he
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would not have even been alive for some of the later attacks yeah this guy's a real douch canoe ship princess but it's
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hard to put him in that region during the times of those killings our next suspect is Edwin town he was looked at
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Big Time in a couple of these cases this guy was no doubt a killer now I don't know about Edwin being a serial killer
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he may have been one in the making in my opinion but he certainly was a serial rapist he is one of these horrible true
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stories where you hear that this dude gets out of prison and then he goes out and commits another horrible violent
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crime this guy unfortunately he's one of these dudes man that he was locked up he
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had been arrested for a sexual assault got in trouble they knew that he did it then he goes out he gets out of prison
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goes out and commits another sexual assault they arrest him they throw him back in prison he's supposed to be doing
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this lengthy prison sentence because he's a repeat offender he's a violent offender right and they let him out
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early and then unfortunately when he's out he abducted a teenage girl and and killed her the victim's father
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rightfully so has been upfront and Center for all media pointing out time and time again look if this guy if Edwin
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town would have been forced to serve out his time to the sentence that that was granted to him he would have been locked
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up at the time that he abducted and killed my daughter and so this one's as much as Edwin town is to blame so is the
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parole board and the people that let him back out on the streets yeah this is a huge stain on our justice system and it
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makes it look pretty pathetic next on our suspect list Captain we have Delbert tman tman on May 20th
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1984 is suspected of having abducted 16-year-old Heidi Martin who went out for a jog in Harland Vermont the next
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day her body was found in a swampy area behind Harland Elementary School she had
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been raped and stabbed to death Tolman who was 21 years old at the time after he's picked up Captain he confesses to
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the rape and murder and then he's brought to trial however he later recants his confession and then gets an
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acquittal now nearly 3 years later Barbara anu's body would be found approximately one mile from where Heidi
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Martin's body was discovered so in the the general same general area tman was a resident in Bellow's Falls Springfield
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and Windsor Vermont as well as Claremont New Hampshire this is the epicenter of most of the Connecticut River Valley
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killings he was later convicted in 1996 on two counts of lewd and lascivious conduct with a child and was
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incarcerated at Lake County prison in Florida for failure to comply with sex offender registration requirements he
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was released from pris in 2010 yeah it makes you wonder how they got that confession I'd like to dive more into
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that it definitely does but his later crimes would back up the thought that yes he should be a suspect in that Heidi
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Martin case now if you want to look at victimology and say well this killer this River Valley killer likely would
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would hone in on a certain type of victim well Heidi Martin doesn't seem to fit that victimology to a te anyway and
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if his later crimes are any indication of who he is and what kind of monster he was then his preferred victimology seems
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to be younger people children and he's acting on this if he was guilty of the Heidi Martin case he's he's acting at a
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at the young age of 21 so he's one of these people just like the other two where you can certainly put him on the
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list there's good reason to put him on the list as a suspect in this case but I think where you probably have to lean
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with tman is that you can't eliminate him I can see reasons why to eliminate Christopher Wilder he likely wasn't even
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in the area he wasn't even alive when some of the killings took place Edwin Town looks better than Wilder tman looks
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better than both of them yeah like you said if if if his victimology if the victims that he is
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looking for is is of a younger age then it doesn't make sense to me that this individual would be driving around as as
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much as they would have to because look I guarantee you and I I don't know what the percentage would be but I guarantee
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you they're driving around and going to these spots and looking for opportunities a lot more they're
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visiting those locations a lot more than they're actually finding opportunities and finding victims and just how much
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driving could this person be doing if we do in fact have one individual that's responsible for the majority of these
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killings you take a a serial killer like William suff for example he was driving
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around and trolling for victims so much putting so many miles on his vehicle that they said that he had to replace
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anywhere between three to six tires a year on his vehicle wow so all of us just think think to our own personal
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lives on how long it is between times when you have to put two or four more tires on your car this dude and likely
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whoever's responsible for a lot of these killings in in Connecticut River Valley
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they're changing out atire almost every other month right because they're putting so many miles on their vehicle
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they're spending so much time so much time of their each day each week trolling around looking for a victim for
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every one of these victims this is fortunately and unfortunately all at the same time for every one of these victims
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that we've named here today there's likely four or five maybe more that for whatever reason he decided not to take a
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chance on right either he attempted to get him into his vehicle or he pulled up and was getting ready to do something
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but somebody else pulled up and he was interrupted there's any number of reasons why other victims didn't look
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good enough or the time just wasn't right to take them and make them a victim one of the more
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popular suspects here Captain is a man by the name of Michael Nicola he is incredibly interesting to
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me he's one of these guys that that's a giant pile of [ __ ] that we should light
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on fire I'm convinced this guy was a serial killer and crimes that we know that he he did will back a lot of that
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thinking up so in 2005 he kills his wife and his stepdaughter and himself in Tampa
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Florida a St Petersburg private investigator comes out says that she is certain that there's a connection
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between Michael Nicola and to six homicide victims from the Connecticut River Valley case the problem with
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Nicola is his residence was in Holio which was about 90 miles from Claremont yeah not so fast now this Pi this
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private investigator was able to determine that his wife one of his wives her her name was Michelle had relatives
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in this area that might explain some of the G gaps and the killings yeah that's pretty fascinating do we potentially
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have a killer that is operating in this area but only when he is in the area and
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that he's not there all of the time right this is an interesting thought to ponder because one we got this guy that
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we know is capable of homicide he kills his wife he kills his stepdaughter and then kills himself this is all during
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the course of a police standoff but it goes a little more psychotic than just a this guy losing his mind and taking his
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wife and stepdaughter hostage and then in the course of a standoff he kills them no he traveled to Tampa to do this
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to his wife he traveled to Tampa they had been separated he went down there with the purpose of harming and likely
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with the purpose of killing her and her daughter he then kills himself we know that this private investigator was able
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to create to link ties to the Claremont area where the epicenter of these killings were taking place well we don't
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know what she learned about him is it possible that she learned something awful about him and that was the straw
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that broke the camels back and he decided that they had to die and that he had to die as well what's weird about
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him though his first wife disappeared she's never been seen again well surprise surprise do we have a situation
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where these marriages are getting in the way of doing what it is that he wants to
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do the thing that's really interesting about him too is that Michael Nicola owned a Jeep wagon ear in the 1980s
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which is consistent with the vehicle described by the living the surviving victim Jan barasi yeah which we'll get
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into more details on her attack in a little bit one of the thoughts that the profiler put together C Captain was that
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is there a potential that this guy travels for work either only kills when he's home because he lives in the area
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or only kills when he's out traveling in the area I've reviewed at least one other killer and I'm sure that there are
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probably more out there well no duh there's more than one killer out there you genius but there's one killer that I
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reviewed and His Name Escapes me at the moment but he is suspected of three homicides convicted of one and confess
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to another So within those three he's been convicted of one and he's confessed to one of the others they can't lock him
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down for the third one but he didn't live in the area but he traveled to the area
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regularly and he chose to make that his hunting ground because the problem for the investigators became that this guy's
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not local he doesn't live in the area he's not easily it's not easy to link him to that area for when these victims
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disappear or when they're later found right and like you said this guy lived roughly 90 miles away that's not that
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far of a drive especially if he has time and he has the means to get out and chooses to hunt outside of an area where
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he lives with the purpose of making it much more difficult to detect him as the actual killer so like you said there's a
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great debate whether these cases are connected or they're not and in a lot of these cases we just don't have a lot of
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details we don't have eyewitnesses but we have a possible case that is connected to the rest of them but we
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have a surviving victim and I was able to sit down with Jane barowski to go over the events the terrifying horrible
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events of the attack which led to her being named being dubbed the the surviving victim of the Connecticut
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River [Music] Valley I was uh 7 months pregnant I was just uh looking forward to being a mom I
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decided to go to a fair where I lived is a also a small community um and they have a a County Fair every year in
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Swansea New Hampshire so I went to the air it was hot hot and humid that summer it was brutal driving home from the fair
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I met up with evil I stopped off at a closed store it was it was right on a main route from uh Keen to Winchester I
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was living in Winchester at the time and uh Route 10 I stopped at this closed store because they had a vending machine
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outside a soda vending machine so I just wanted to stop and and grab a quick soda
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on my way home and then you're met with this horrible experience and this terrible man approaches your vehicle you
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know I hate to kind of try to crawl into the mind of this individual but I really
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want everybody to fully understand the situation and how everything played out so you pull into this closed door with
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the intention of hey I'm going to grab something to drink is it dark out at this time yeah it was fairly late it was
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um you know between 11 and 11:30 at night the fair had just closed yeah I pulled in I grabbed my soda out of the
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soda vending machine got back in my car I opened the soda took a couple of sips and I was getting ready to pull out to
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head home this Jeep Wagoner pulled up beside me on my passenger side and I didn't think anything of it it was you
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know there there was the vending machine and there was also a p p phone next to the vending machine so I really didn't
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think anything of it I was getting ready to leave and I see him walking around the back of my
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car and next thing I know he's at my driver's door and and he says um the pay phone working and right as he said that
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he opened the door and tried to grab me and take me out of the car I was so scared I was screaming I was fighting um
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I screamed so much and so hard that I broke blood vessels in my eyes somehow I got my foot up to kick him and I was
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kicking him and as I was kicking him I kicked my windshield and smashed my windshield next thing I know he takes a
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knife out and he said maybe this will persuade you to get out of the car so obviously it did I got out of the car he
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was just acting so calm like he wanted me to go with him that was that was obvious he wanted me to go with him and
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I was determined I was not going with him he had said that I beat up his girlfriend and said that my car was a
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Massachusetts car and and I was like no I didn't beat up no girlfriend and uh my
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car is New Hampshire my car has New Hampshire plates and at this time I'm thinking oh
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my God this guy's a whack job what what the hell what does he want you know I just couldn't understand he started
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walking around the back side of my car at that time I didn't feel threatened anymore I thought maybe he just confused
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me with somebody else he looked at the plate and then he started walking back to his vehicle on the other side of my
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car and I'm thinking oh wait a minute I have a smashed windshield so of course not feeling
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threatened I said to him hey [ __ ] what what about my windshield you know I regret those words for the rest of my
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life but I I didn't feel threatened so he came back around and put the knife up against my neck you had
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no way of knowing what you were dealing with in that moment you think you're just this is some guy he he mistook me
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for somebody that probably got into some kind of situation with his girlfriend he's
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angry he approached you either he figured out you're the wrong person or you you know you have no idea who this
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guy is in the in that moment and then it sounds like you pissed him off I didn't know what he was capable of
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doing I had no idea what why he was even there or why he was approaching me I mean this was a small community uh
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Swansea New Hampshire virtually no major crime in 1988 a safe community and don't
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forget back then in 1988 there was no cell phones there was no social media I didn't
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know about these other cases I didn't know that there was a serial killer hunting New Hampshire in Vermont I had
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no idea so when he came back around the car and he put the knife up against my neck I I saw a vehicle start driving was
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driving by by the store and I knew the only way I was going to get out of that situation was
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to run to the road and scream and try and get their attention so I did I just dashed I I started running to the road I
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was screaming and the car just went right by next thing I know he tackled me down on the ground like a football
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player like right on the pavement and he got on top of me I was on my back and he just proceeded to stabed me
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like just was just stabbing uncontrollably I ultimately was stabbed 27 times and I was doing everything I could
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to protect my baby so I have a lot of defensive wounds on my hands all of a sudden he just stopped stabbing and he
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got up and he walked away and I could hear him walking away like not running or anything like that just walking away
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and I'm to myself oh my God I can't believe this just happened for one and I'm like where is he you know I couldn't
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see him I heard the vehicle start and start driving by this time I I knew I needed to get help so I got on I rolled
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over onto my hands and knees and I started getting up and I I could just hear the the the blood just gushing out
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of me I happened to look up and he just drove right by and looked right at me and I looked right at him but he didn't
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rush it was just a slow drive by my head and then he drove off I obviously my body went into shock and I just knew I
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needed to get help so uh I had a friend of mine that lived right on that main road Route 10 about 2 miles down the
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road so I said okay I'm going to go to his house and he's going to get me help so I got in my car I started driving
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down the road and before I knew it I was driving right behind him and I was like
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oh my God he's going to know where I'm going to pull off he's going to see where I'm pulling in and I just um fear
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all over again I pulled into my friend's house and and he came right to the screen door and uh he said that uh I
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told him I said some [ __ ] just stabbed the [ __ ] out of me I need help and I collapsed on his
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steps and then a few minutes later well not even even a few minutes later a minute later all of a sudden we hear the
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vehicle drive back by the house and like squealed its tires like almost Slamm it
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on his brakes and then took off so we we knew we know it was him um he definitely
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knew that I would I was at somebody's house getting help your attacker is aware that you survived the attack is he
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aware that to your knowledge best to your knowledge anyway is he aware that you survive the attack before he leaves
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the parking lot of the closed store well he knows that I was getting up I was trying to get up and and you know get to
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my car and I believe he knows I was behind him mhm um otherwise he would have never turned around and came back
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when you were in the parking lot did you see when did you become aware of the other vehicle did do you do you see him
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pull in or are you only aware once he pulls up next to your car yeah pretty much when he pulled in and parked right
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next to me I mean like I said I I didn't really pay much attention to it the soda
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machine was there a pay phone was there he just uh pulled in and parked next to my car on my drive on my passenger side
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did you see which direction he came from did he pull in from the same direction that you were coming from or or I
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didn't I never noticed that describe the vehicle for everybody out there these uh
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vehicle and I know we're we're talking about this well after the fact you know we're we're many years later and um but
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vehicle description suspect description those things are are very important it was a they believe about a
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1985 Jeep wagon ear it had wood grain sides um now according to the lighting in the parking lot because they were
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like fluorescent lighting it was either a dark blue or a dark green it was four-wheel drive he was like
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uh not too awfully tall maybe 59 58 5'9 slender he his uh he had kind of a brownish hair um slick back um while I
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was in the hospital I actually did a composite of yeah there's one that's been out for a long time and I was going
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to wonder I was wondering are you responsible for the the one the one that I remember the most when looking into
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this case years ago is the one with the the the dark kind of circles around the eyes uh there's there's more than one
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composite out there for this case but the one that I remember is kind of the short short hair dark colored hair the
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uh you know the wrinkles across the forehead and the dark around the eyes Slender face yeah there's two of
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them there's there's one for the Linda Linda Moore case that one he was wearing uh glasses and a hoodie fluorescent
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lights they have a tendency at nighttime to make a a a black or blue vehicle appear to be that green color yeah
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exactly exactly and so he approaches you and what is I mean it's not mind-blowing
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now knowing that this your attack is likely connected to these all these other cases but what's kind of
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mind-blowing In the Heat of the Moment is with the way you describe this to me he says something to you that's
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smoking mirrors that's the old magician trick right because it's it's human nature when somebody speaks to you to
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look toward their face which is going to draw your attention away from what he really wants to do which is get that
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latch on your car door open before you have a time time to react to that oh exactly and so so that to me tells me
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one of two things or both that this guy one has done this type of thing before or he's practiced to do this type of
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thing um and but for whatever reason and we we will never know until he's caught but for whatever reason you
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survive this attack because he leaves uh you you know and and as you said we believe he doesn't think that he's
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killed you at this point when he when he decides to leave or do you I believe I survived because I didn't go with him he
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really wanted me to go with him and like the other victims of the Connecticut River Valley murders they all went with
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him whether it was willingly or he they he forced them to go with him but they except for Linda Moore they all with
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went with him so I believe if I if I had gone with with him I would not be alive
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I I wholeheartedly believe that yeah the the thing here to describe him again I know you gave a good description but I
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really want to hone in on on what this guy look like uh back in August of 1988 it's hard for me to describe because I
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mean it was 34 years ago you know I I can I can remember his manner how he carried himself which was very cool and
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very calm and not nervous I I believe he's done this before for before me not his first rodeo that's and obviously
00:31:31
you're I mean you're fighting for your life you're your the adrenaline kicks in you're not so much paying attention to
00:31:36
him and taking notes on what he he looks like but was there anything in particular that was uh that that stood
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out to you about him in his his appearance or his clothing or anything that you was very
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distinctive well I remember way back when the detectives were questioning me and when I was hypnotized he had no
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smell to him so he wasn't a dirty man he didn't have any body odor smell or anything like that which was unusual
00:32:07
especially being um such a hot humid summer so they felt like he was um obviously a clean
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person I don't remember him I I remember him wearing dark clothing but exactly what kind of dark clothing I really
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don't remember see I wish I had paid attention to these details at the time but again hiding
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realize what he was going to do there's a lot of little details I wish I remembered uh but I
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and and educating us and giving her insights and and what actually happened to her that that terrifying evening now
00:35:18
barosi mentioned returning to her car and then driving on New Hampshire Route 32 she's now fleeing to a friend house
00:35:27
for help after this attack as she gets close to the house now we have this it's like straight out of a horror flick oh
00:35:36
my God I I'm right behind the vehicle of the person that just attacked me that just tried to kill me she then gets to
00:35:43
her friend's house the friend comes running out to to Aid her she's barely able to walk at this point and this is
00:35:50
she says her attacker apparently made a u-turn and then drives slowly past her and her friend staring them down before
00:36:01
speeding off into the dark of night yes so when you hear this part of the story and when I heard this part of the
00:36:09
story it makes it seem like maybe the attacker knew that this could be his victim and
00:36:18
maybe that she was still alive I don't think that at all if we connect all these cases and I think
00:36:28
there's a strong argument that you can because it's crimes of opportunity it's a killer in his vehicle
00:36:38
driving around hunting looking at stores looking for people broke down on the side of the road looking for
00:36:47
hitchhikers looking for anybody that's vulnerable he's driving away from this attack he is miles away from the attack
00:36:57
a car drives is driving behind him this is also these areas that these huntings that the hunting is taking
00:37:07
place in they're remote there's not a bunch of cars all the time the time of day there's not a ton of vehicles out so
00:37:17
he sees a vehicle turn off into a drive and I think this was just another thing that he did another way of
00:37:28
hunting okay I'm going to make a uturn because this car just turned off into their driveway I'm going to drive
00:37:38
back and drive back slowly to see if there's a opportunity and then once I look he
00:37:47
might not even known it was the same vehicle he might not have known that it was a a female driver but once he sees
00:37:55
more than one person he drives away and I think that just proves that all these cases the victimology in these cases
00:38:03
don't really matter too much to me because I think the more important thing is when he's out there hunting and
00:38:11
having these urges that when there was an opportunity that seemed there's no other cars coming in like you said how
00:38:20
many other victims would there be if a car didn't pull up another car didn't pull up or maybe that when they saw
00:38:28
somebody at the pay phone when they pulled up to to put themselves into a better opportunity to commit this crime
00:38:36
that they saw multiple people in the car waiting on the person that's making the
00:38:42
phone call I think it's more about that they they didn't see the killer come back because he thought it was the
00:38:50
victim I think he was looking for another victim yeah you could certainly make a a strong argument for both sides
00:38:56
sides of the fence here right we we know that with other killers that when they set out to do something a lot of them
00:39:05
have to do that they have to achieve that before they are done hunting for the day we know that to be the case in
00:39:13
several other serial killers so we have the experts here who say all right well if jamee brasi's Case is in fact
00:39:22
connected to these other ones well it's only different the result is only different and circumstances are only
00:39:31
different from some of the other attacks and the other victims because the killer
00:39:35
must have been interrupted so you're exactly right Captain if these experts are correct and he was in fact
00:39:42
interrupted and was aware that he had not killed this victim that he found in the parking
00:39:50
lot was his Dark Passenger his factor x not ass satiated was he was he not able to get that thrill that he was seeking
00:40:02
that night and was he trolling for another victim and happens to see this vehicle and thinks oh they turned in
00:40:09
there I'll see where they turned into and how vulnerable they look as they're getting out of their vehicle and then
00:40:15
realizes oh no that's the the woman that I attacked and she did survive and then
00:40:21
drives off the other thing though too the other argument for that for against it would be Jane's description of that
00:40:30
night where she says oh the first car she comes in contact with she is very aware that it's the it's the vehicle of
00:40:38
the man who just attacked her so we know that she's close enough to identify his
00:40:43
vehicle and even though they were only together for a brief period of time in that parking lot together she was well
00:40:49
aware of what kind of vehicle he was driving he very likely as well she was close enough for him to identify her
00:40:56
vehicle and he he has his oh [ __ ] moment I've got to turn around she pulled in
00:41:01
I'm going to finish the job and now as he slowing down to get a look at what's going on he realizes there's somebody
00:41:08
else there this is a safe place for Jane and I can't go into further risk by by attempting to attack both of these
00:41:16
people now I'm better off to just drive off one thing that I thought was amazing
00:41:21
in her case and and terrifying this is one of the things that stuck with me from being a little boy watching that
00:41:27
Unsolved Mysteries when they show that reenactment of her hypnosis session where she's saying she's trying to
00:41:36
see the license plate the rear license plate of her attacker and this as portrayed on Unsolved Mysteries would
00:41:43
have been from when she pulled up from behind he's already fleeing this the scene where he attempted to kill her she
00:41:50
survives she's fleeing trying to get help for herself and then she sees the the attack 's vehicle sees his license
00:41:58
plate he's try she's trying to make it out but in that hypnosis reenactment she says the the license plate is dirty okay
00:42:06
well a Wagoner is a vehicle that you could have taken Offroad you could see given the terrain off of some parts of
00:42:13
Interstate 91 that yeah you could have muddy tires or or dirty vehicles or vehicles that appear to have been
00:42:20
off-roading but I remember as a kid thinking how scary is that it's very likely that this dude simply
00:42:29
at some point stuck his hand in mud or a puddle and rubbed it on the back of his
00:42:34
license plate because he knew he was going out trolling he knew he was going to be out doing some very suspicious
00:42:41
committing some very suspicious behavior and any deterrent from people being able
00:42:46
to identify him as that person is in his favor right or is this guy a sick son of
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a [ __ ] and wipes his own ass with his own hand then uses his little [ __ ] hand
00:42:58
to cover up his license plate I mean it's possible thankfully Jane survived as we all are well aware from the
00:43:04
interview there but and I and I say that chuckling not uh just because it's silly
00:43:09
for for me to lead in that way but I do want to get into some of the some of the
00:43:13
details here because it's it's important the devil is in the details her life was
00:43:19
saved that night by herself and by her friend and by Personnel at the hospital where she was later treated right this
00:43:29
was a horrific attack she suffered a severed jugular vein two collapsed lungs a kidney laceration and severed tendons
00:43:40
in her knees and in her thumb she's pregnant at the time and fortunately God bless her baby survived although with
00:43:49
not without complications what we do get though is Jane is able to provide authorities with
00:43:55
the composite sketch and then later the first three characters of the attacker's license
00:44:02
plate there are many that believe given the manner of her attack the weapon being a knife and the location in which
00:44:08
it took place that Jane's case is absolutely connected to some of these other cases I personally believe that
00:44:17
it's connected to some of these other cases too and I say that simply because of the nature of the attack the vending
00:44:24
machine and the and I know that sounds silly butnot discredit the fact that in two of the
00:44:31
other cases there is a payone now we know that Jane didn't use the pay phone but to me it it is almost
00:44:40
mesmerizing and in some forms possibly even brilliant if that was purposely done in the reenactment on Unsolved
00:44:50
Mysteries and again it's just a reenactment that we we don't know how much truth is in that it we can't say
00:44:55
that it 100% went down that way but when the attacker ask her about the phone is
00:45:01
that pay phone working that's and then immediately opens up her car door that's almost like a magician's trick a little
00:45:09
slide of hand right I'll start talking so your eyes your eyes move up to my face up to
00:45:16
my mouth where the words are coming out and in the meantime I'm using I'm I'm moving my hand toward that car door
00:45:21
which you do not want me opening up that car door I've taken attention off of the
00:45:27
corridor and now away from my hands the other thing that's almost brilliant too is was that just a very simple way of
00:45:37
figuring out very quickly had she called anybody right because if and again I think in some of these cases there's
00:45:46
evidence to suggest that maybe the victim's vehicle was moved if he intended to abduct her from there before
00:45:54
she puts up a struggle he may have intended to go back and move her vehicle yeah that makes a lot of
00:46:00
sense but you don't really yeah you don't really want to do that or you don't need to do that I guess if
00:46:07
somebody is already aware that you were in this location hey does that pay phone work
00:46:12
she says I don't know she doesn't know because she didn't use it that might be good Intel for the attacker originally
00:46:21
shortly after her attack we have a big shift in the investigation now we have with this with this composite sketch and
00:46:29
with her statements and police believing that she would be able to identify her attacker should we place him in a lineup
00:46:37
they're now very optimistic that they're finally going to be able to bring closure to potentially some of these
00:46:44
other cases well the vehicle that she describes is a Jeep Wagoner and she doesn't describe it as a
00:46:51
beat up vehicle and so again you're in this area you're hunting for victims you see people that are that are hitchhiking
00:47:01
if you have a nicer vehicle they're more likely to get in the car and also that type of
00:47:08
vehicle not hard if you attack somebody at one location that you're able then to
00:47:15
move them pretty quickly it's it's not like it's a twodo sports car and it' be difficult to get a
00:47:23
victim in and out this is this is a vehicle that has a has a big hatchback if you commit a crime
00:47:31
somewhere else you can take that body and put it in the hatchback drive down the road and then
00:47:37
quickly get them out of the vehicle as well she described the attacker is driving a Jeep Wagoner with fauxwood
00:47:46
paneling and that that is more concrete than this portion because we have the hypnosis
00:47:54
session which leads to her stating that the three of the numbers on the license plate were likely 6 six and
00:48:04
two and she also states that it's possible that the license plate was from New Hampshire again I think you put the
00:48:13
the heavy weighted material in evidence here is the Jeep Wagoner with the faux wood paneling she seems certain on that
00:48:20
the 662 on the plate and potential New Hampshire plate a lot less credible although all she's trying to do is help
00:48:28
now she goes on to describe the attacker as being blonde with thinning hair and had a narrow face and was between
00:48:36
5'7 maybe 5'8 150 to 160 pounds one thing that was interesting to me here Captain was I always thought of
00:48:47
this type of vehicle as rather unique um you know not certainly not one of a kind
00:48:53
but more rare than than more commonly driven Vehicles yeah but we have information here that police armed with
00:49:02
this information from barasi from her attack they tracked down 1,600 wagoners that were in the larger area
00:49:10
here and they were unable to connect one of them to Jane's attack and it would appear that the
00:49:18
killings stopped following Jan Broski's attack and then as we pointed out earlier in our coverage a lot of these
00:49:28
cases if not all of them have become very cold since that's a good difficult thing too
00:49:35
because with some of these killers we see that they wrestle with this demon themselves and is it possible that this
00:49:46
serial killer was wrestling with these demons and then by realizing that one of his victims got
00:49:53
away and that she was was able to identify him now there's a sketch out there now the identity of my
00:50:04
car is out there is that enough for this person to try to put that part of their
00:50:11
life behind them and not only put that part of their life behind them but if they weren't even local to the area
00:50:18
right and chose this as their hunting and their killing ground maybe they then say you know what it's gotten too risk
00:50:25
it's gotten a little hot here for me I I need to move on and pick another area start operations up in another location
00:50:33
well and what I would like to know too is out of those vehicles that you were able to identify as law enforcement
00:50:40
which of those Vehicles were sold because I could see somebody going well I was identified my vehicle was
00:50:48
identified I am going to sell this vehicle you'd also like to know the details of the tracking down 1600
00:50:57
wagoners right what does that in fact mean does that just simply mean oh we we we got a pulled up records on 1600
00:51:06
wagoners and none of them had a 662 license plate so we we moved on or does that mean boots on the ground actually
00:51:14
going out and talking to the owners and looking at the vehicles yeah the other difficult thing in this case and it was
00:51:20
talked I think a little bit I mean I watched so many different things on this case and like we said it was on Unsolved
00:51:27
Mysteries but I believe at some point Jane claims that she believe that she she knew the identity of her killer Yes
00:51:38
and she cleared that up when I spoke with her because what had happened over the course of some years was Michael
00:51:45
Nicola the man that killed his wife his stepdaughter and then himself in December of 2005 and keep in mind his
00:51:54
first wife wife had disappeared he suspected for being responsible for her disappearance and many believed that
00:52:02
that he killed her and is able to tuck her away somewhere that nobody's been able to locate her remains at one point
00:52:10
Jane does identify Michael Nicola as the man that attacked her that night and for
00:52:18
a lot of people that was the final solution okay case closed this guy that killed himself is respons ible for a lot
00:52:26
of these if not all of these homicides that went unsolved and responsible for the Jane barosi attack there are several
00:52:34
people that think Michael Nicola is good for all of these I think there's a good chance that
00:52:39
he he could be responsible for some of them but Jane says look she changed her mind later that Michael Nicola was not
00:52:48
the man that she saw that night and she says that she simply felt pressured by other people to name him as her attacker
00:52:57
and she did name him and she faults herself but she says look I was vulnerable and I felt a little bullied
00:53:05
and I felt pressured to name him as my attacker and she said that for maybe a portion of her life she even believed it
00:53:12
herself or convinced herself that Michael Nicola was her attacker she now says all of these years later no it was
00:53:20
not Michael Nicola that attacked her that night when you can't fault her for anything because
00:53:26
the amount of trauma that she went through with the attack and then after the attack and again lucky to be able to
00:53:36
deliver her child but then her child has repercussions of the tack and then and what your life must be after something I
00:53:46
mean could you imagine she stopped to get something to drink on her way home no big deal and with within that small
00:53:56
time frame she is confronted with a monster the fact that she can even get up and get out of her house ever her is
00:54:06
is a is a huge win because I I don't know how somebody could go through that and find the
00:54:15
strength to to trust Society again well and that's what's so terrifying when you
00:54:21
review these number of cases as that we just did in this coverage of this Connecticut River Valley killer whether
00:54:29
or not these attacks are connected it's terrifying to review it because you can go all right well three
00:54:36
of the victims were hitchhiking and not the victim blame here but every one of us does this when you review these
00:54:43
things you go well it's not very safe that's a dangerous thing to be getting into a stranger's car especially if
00:54:49
you're a woman out walking on a road by yourself or you're in an area that you're not familiar with but in Jane's
00:54:57
case it's likely a a pregnant craving that nudged her to stop and pick up a soda on the way home she's just minding
00:55:06
her own business she's just a young woman living her her normal life and then out of nowhere she's attacked in a
00:55:15
parking lot and damn near killed there is a lot of work and and one thing that is good in this case Captain it has
00:55:24
received a good amount of coverage there are a lot of websites out there that are
00:55:29
dedicated or devoted space to the investigation and into some of the information in this case and it's
00:55:36
been covered fairly well on TV as well and in the media there is a profile out there and again depending on where you
00:55:45
go you're going to get various forms of this profile but I'll give you the simple version which states
00:55:52
that the Killer is a loner now to really kind of dissect that statement you look at somebody like
00:56:01
Dennis Raider he would have been considered a loner as well even though he had a wife children he was active in
00:56:07
his community at his church he was involved with the Boy Scouts you look at that and you go well this guy's not
00:56:13
really much of a loner this Dennis Raider but when you really start to peel back the layers of the onion and you get
00:56:19
to the core of Dennis Raider you realize that while he's out doing these other activities
00:56:25
it's a facade he's only he's only pretending to be the guy that you know the friendly neighbor the active Boy
00:56:33
Scout Troop leader the person that's involved in their Church he's that he knows that he needs to pretend to do
00:56:40
that all of his true self is experienced through Lan activities through solitary
00:56:47
individual activities he's trolling around for hours by himself in his car he's fantasizing about killing and
00:56:54
torturing people for hours by himself this dude Dennis Raider even would go to a hotel and check in and spend the night
00:57:02
by himself just to have a night to himself that's how much of a loner he was with putting on the act of being
00:57:09
normal well I think Dennis Dennis's case is not unique in the fact that see some
00:57:20
people close to him knew a little bit about these demons and because of that I think is is
00:57:30
another reason why he was involved in his church so Heavenly because then it the facade is maybe not just to society
00:57:41
but the facade is to the people closest to him the profile goes on to state that
00:57:47
these are calculated attacks that the killer has attention to detail and and routine
00:57:55
and is likely a collector that's interesting because where we have these cases and many of them there's no signs
00:58:03
of sexual assault what we've been told for years by the expert is that by the experts is that a knife is certainly
00:58:12
representative of a psychological sexual assault and that a lot of times when there's no sexual assault present by
00:58:22
these serial offenders that they are collectors they take something of the victim and it is a sexual component
00:58:32
they're always is a sexual component to the killings I think with some of these cases it gets incredibly difficult to
00:58:39
deduce exactly what happened because of the decomposition because the amount of time between the victim was abducted and
00:58:46
then the remains later found well yeah and again I know I keep harping on this point but these are all crimes of
00:58:54
opportunity mhm so therefore in one case there could be an opportunity the crime the crime
00:59:04
starts it evolves and maybe then there's an opportunity for sexual assault or rape
00:59:11
and in some of the other cases there there wasn't and so I think that's what makes
00:59:18
it so difficult to figure out if these cases are connected because like we said you can
00:59:25
make an argument well the the ages are different their backgrounds are different but to me that all goes out in
00:59:32
the wash and it's the hunting ground are they within that hunting ground and if they are then they it's a possibility
00:59:42
that it's the same killer the killer in their normal life will experience Outburst of
00:59:48
Rage will have strange relationships with women or the inability to have real true relationships with
00:59:58
women his father was either abusive or absent his violence shows he could be recreating an early experience
01:00:08
or reacting to an early life experience a lot of times with these serial killers
01:00:15
you see that they have multiple wives well that's one a sign that they can't keep a long-term relationship and I
01:00:24
think some sometimes these people get married again like you said it's a facade you start to see the real person
01:00:30
once you live with them and spend that amount of time with them and they can only keep up the act for so long and
01:00:38
you're right he may have the ability to get himself into a relationship with an adult woman he just does not have the
01:00:46
ability to maintain that relationship the killer will have a history of voyerism this is is one that
01:00:56
you any type of Serial offender especially if there's a sexual component you're going to see some kind of
01:01:02
vois behavior before The Killing start it's all I mean you can almost slap this on every single one of them because you
01:01:10
see it time and time again that either this would be a peeping Tom situation or exposing themselves to someone we've
01:01:19
seen it time and time again where there are these types of behaviors that lead up to eventually murder or a series of
01:01:27
murder this suspect is reliant on his car or vehicle and spends a lot of time a lot of hours on the road that is just
01:01:36
echoing what we've been saying all along when we look at this victimology here the suspect spends so much time driving
01:01:43
that driving is a form of therapy or self hypnosis for him again just backing up what we were saying earlier in the
01:01:52
book shadow of death the hunt for the the Connecticut River Valley Killer by Philip Ginsburg he creates this book he
01:01:59
wrote this book with a lot of help from psychologist John philpin who is the one
01:02:04
that is featured on Unsolved Mysteries now John in the book shadow of death gives a very a much more extensive and
01:02:13
thorough suspect profile in chapter 23 the profile takes up the entirety of the chapter I recommend checking out that
01:02:22
book especially that chapter as it's very interesting if you are if you find yourself eyeballs deep in this case and
01:02:30
want to learn more one thing that I thought was intriguing here Captain was an editorial in the Claremont paper that
01:02:39
I think while it's quite Elementary it sums up this killer very well and in fact sums up many serial killers out
01:02:46
there and it reads as follows he's a man who took the innocent at random and killed without reason and then went
01:02:54
hunting for the opportunity to do it again these cases are always going to be debated whether they're connected or not
01:03:02
until we solve one and that might then lead us to be able to connect the other cases together or eliminate them from
01:03:10
being connected together also in these cases Captain the cases not just that we talked about here today in the garage
01:03:17
but cases that are serial killer cases we usually throw out the possibility of a deathbed confession and rarely do we
01:03:25
ever get one sometimes you have confessions of evil men once they are caught they come clean with
01:03:31
investigators Dennis Raider comes to mind Ted Bundy even though he lied a lot and even one of Texas's most evil of all
01:03:38
time Kenneth McDuff they come out they tell you about additional victims they tell you how to find victims they tell
01:03:45
you what they did and how they did it one such deathbed confession a lesser known one was a case that we covered the
01:03:53
still missing person case of Judy Martins we discussed a deathbed confession there not in Judy's case but
01:04:00
connected to her case when William posie finally admitted to abducting and killing Iris Brown in
01:04:07
1981 he admitted this in a deathbed confession the Judy Martins case is very intriguing and anyone that wants to give
01:04:14
that a good garage listen check out our two episodes numbers 522 and 523 titled missing on campus so those are just a
01:04:24
few examples of how such confessions in cases that we've covered come about and with the William posie confession very
01:04:32
much a deathbed confession he was terminal and wanted to try to fully confess his sins in an attempt to get
01:04:39
right with God before dying so while it's rare deathbed confessions do actually happen and and we have one in
01:04:47
this case believe it or not now Ben Montgomery wrote a beautiful piece for the St Petersburg Times now owned by
01:04:55
Tampa Bay times but his story was so masterfully told and in a very story-like manner so I didn't want to
01:05:03
change it up too much here so let's review and explore Ben's story and it starts off with I'm Going to Hell Cindy
01:05:11
I'm going to hell Gary Westover was pale and sweating maybe he was on drugs maybe
01:05:17
the nightmares that robbed him of sleep that caused him to wake up screaming and
01:05:21
soaking wet were now robbing mind West over was full of hell and fire he had been paralyzed in a driving
01:05:30
accident leaving him with partial use of one arm he lived his adult life in a wheelchair collecting disability checks
01:05:38
and pedaling drugs on the side the leaves outside were changing that fall of 1997 and West over felt as if he wasn't
01:05:47
going to make it to Winter the 46-year-old was dying he called his uncle the person he trusted most he
01:05:56
needed to confess his cousin and uncle sat down his cousin took his hand I'm going to hell West over said
01:06:06
don't say that Gary said his cousin Cindy I've got something to tell you Uncle Howard he said Uncle Howard was
01:06:14
Howard minen a retired sheriff's deputy in Grafton County New Hampshire before Westover could continue
01:06:24
his uncle Howard told Cindy to leave the room the two men spoke while the women of the family waited in the kitchen when
01:06:32
Uncle Howard emerged his face was cold and stiff in the following days he shared the details of the conversation
01:06:41
with his wife and daughter Westover told his uncle that three of his buddies picked him up for a
01:06:49
night of partying they loaded his wheelchair into a van that they insisted that he go with them so that he was
01:06:57
culpable recalled his aunt his Aunt Louise goes on to say quote he had no choice but they took him over in the van
01:07:05
with his wheelchair they made him be there end quote West told his uncle that he and three men abducted a woman
01:07:13
butchered her and dumped her body off a back road his uncle wrote the names of the three men on a scrap of paper then
01:07:22
called the authorities his family goes on to back him up Howard Westover eventually passed away but his
01:07:29
family goes on to back him up saying that he was he was hurt more than anything the the uncle that that
01:07:37
informed the authorities because he reaches out to police and he says look I have this information from my nephew who
01:07:45
passed away making a confession that three of his buddies picked them up and they abducted and killed a woman and
01:07:51
dumped her body and he says that the police didn't seem interested in his information that they didn't believe
01:08:00
this deathbed confession which truly hurt the uncle because he's like I'm former law
01:08:08
enforcement I heard this confession and I believed it to be true and that's the only reason why I'm bringing it to you
01:08:15
guys Gary Westover died in 1998 and the details of this confession are murky we have the family that says
01:08:26
you know he told us he gave this detailed confession it was passed along to law enforcement and as far as the
01:08:32
media goes that's where the confession sits but what's interesting is within that confession Michael Nicola is one of
01:08:41
the individuals that is hinted at being one of the three men that picked up Gary
01:08:46
West over that night and made him be a part of this attack and in fact the family believes that this confession
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was in regard to the Barbara agnu case the still unsolved Barbara agnu case yeah makes sense so they communicated
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all of this information not only to the authorities but to Barber agnu family as
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well they stated that because of Gary westover's Health you know he's quadriplegic and that he was involved in
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this that of course he's not innocent of anything but they believe that he was simply
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afraid for his life and that's why he didn't tell anybody until he was at death's doorstep because one he didn't
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have the ability to defend himself against these three other men or the ability to defend his family against
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these three other men I think his family lays out a good point of the reason why
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we should believe this story and I wish law enforcement would have taken this story way more serious I would like to
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know the details of this case because it seems very odd seems very strange that three men would pick up their their
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friend their wheelchair bound friend and bring him along for something that it on the surface from what we do
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know it appears that he might not have fully been on board with right or didn't know what he's going to be involved in
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part of me wanders Captain was he used in in more ways than one but maybe as some kind of
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ruse or lore to to to obtain a victim which is pretty sick remember when you go back and you you look at some of the
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details of the barber agnu case we know that her vehicle was found at that rest area no one's really certain in fact
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they're baffled as to why she would stop so close to her home why would we find her vehicle stop so close to her home we
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know that it was snowing out that night I mean if you're out there looking to procure a victim or get somebody to
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stop stop to be a potential victim a guy in a wheelchair on the side of the road
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on a snowy night might just get somebody to stop Barbara agnu was a nurse a person that cared cared about help
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helping other people well she took an oath it might be her love and her care for her fellow man that that led to her
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being tricked into to stopping that night well and if the confession is true which I believe it is I have no reason
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not to believe him or believe his family then you have three individuals that are capable of committing any of
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these crimes all in the same area are these crimes connected and was there one killer on one of the crimes two killers
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on a different crime three killers on some of the other crimes and is that why it's even harder to piece
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this puzzle together because sometimes you have one killer and sometimes you have multiple
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killers and do not let the West over deathbed confession deter you or anyone else from bringing information to the
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authorities because while all of these cases sit very cold at the moment we are reminded by both the New Hampshire and
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the Vermont State Police that these are considered active homicide investigations that if there is a lead
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if there's du information they're going to follow up on it in the west over case
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we simply do not know the details of that confession did in fact when the information was provided from the West
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over family and made its way to law enforcement were they able to check very quickly that one of those names or some
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of those names that were of those men that were named by West over that it was proven quickly that they could not have
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been in the area or that Gary Westover was simply mistaken there he he did have a history of drugs and drug
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abuse and so again we we don't know the details of that case so I wouldn't go so
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quickly out of the way to discredit law enforcement here again if you have any information at all in one or any of
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these homicide cases that we've discussed here today or any case that you think may be connected in any way to
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one of the homicides that we discussed here today the Vermont State Police police and the New Hampshire State
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Police are still actively seeking leads in all of these cases please reach out to
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them at least seven women stabbed and murdered a series of murders in the Connecticut River
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Valley you suspect it was the work of a serial killer all were stabbed multiple times
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times and that's why I'm here to look for results to have results to give those families an answer
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